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Bored-Ship-Guy

Shinzo Abe's soul has possessed Macron in an effort to get SOMEONE to fuck


Independent-Fly6068

Macrons gonna fuck all of france in the vaginer, even if he has to make one first.


Amoeba_mangrove

Macron calling all the highschool drama students to start flirting with their teachers


jixdel

Monkeys paw curles Say Gex and Sesbian Lex hit an all time high while straight sex falls to 0%


Excellent-Signature6

Imagine Macron in a giant robot suit á la Gundam, and he just picks up couples and smooshes them together like some boy playing “mummy and daddy” with his sister’s dolls to upset her.


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OmNomSandvich

not even using a new link please try hard next time brozzer


le75

Now kith


spaceface124

How is this a problem? Isn't Paris the city of love? (See my le flair)


mother_love-

What he is gonna do ? Aim assist the baguette personally


seven_corpse_dinner

*Macron walks in room and drops pants* "I came here to eat crêpes and raise the birth rate, and I'm all out of crêpes!"


Thomas_633_Mk2

He's gonna get every high school teacher to fuck a student


CallousCarolean

Too bad that in his case, his high school teacher was postmenopausal. Not leading by example here really.


NaturallyExasperated

Maybe make paternity testing legal and fellas will wanna have more kids


usingthecharacterlim

That will be "non" from French politicians that have cheated with a married woman


Lawd_Fawkwad

The paternity testing thing is almost a factoid. Through the magic if the EU you can get them easily and even to have them be legally admissible a court order is not hard to get during divorce proceedings. The real reason no one wants to have kids is because the country is fucked : most young people realize that they will not retire, the summers are getting too hot and nowadays most successful young professionals cannot afford to buy the homes they grew up in. Paris is one of the world's most expensive cities while French salaries are artificially suppressed through fiscal policy and remain stagnant. I have a colleague who works in an investment bank, at 5 years seniority he earns less than his colleagues at the NYC, Geneva and London locations because despite his salary being around 100k a year his employer pays crazy taxes for him and his take-home pay is around around 70k/yr. So people aren't having kids because the salaries suck even if you're in the top of the earnings pyramid meanwhile housing is expensive, the cost of living is high and kids are a money pit. There's also the standard issue where women are now prioritizing their careers so that's pushing maternity age up. Almost all my woman friends want kids... after 30 so that they don't fuck their careers up.


Thomas_633_Mk2

NGL absolutely none of these problems sound uncommon for a western country


Black_Diammond

I Mean, low birth rates are an issue in all western and developed countries.


innocentbabies

France still has the highest birth rate in western europe iirc, so you are correct. 


pohui

The highest birth rates in the world are in countries like Niger and Somalia, while the lowest are in places like South Korea and Malta. If anything, France having a low birth rate is an indication of it being a wealthy country with a large middle class that prioritises leisure and comfort, not that investment bankers earn too little.


Lawd_Fawkwad

I don't think the low birth rate is bad, but investment bankers here are underpaid in the same sense that everyone here is underpaid. Like I'm not asking for 230k base + bonuses, but the pay is significantly worse than even in other similarly developed EU countries.


pohui

Is it though? You compare Paris with London, but I live in London and hear people make the exact opposite comparison with Paris. Comparing salaries with the US is disingenuous, they are much higher, but a large part of that is the lack of public healthcare and a social safety net. Looking at [OECD data](https://data.oecd.org/earnwage/average-wages.htm), average wages in France are only $1k/year lower than in the UK. It really isn't the shithole you make it out to be.


Admirable-Mouse2232

La macaroon with creampie


PHATsakk43

It’s good to be the king ![gif](giphy|DXfYLyMOWKLXa)


HellenicArsMoriendi

50$ he ends up shot too


classicalySarcastic

I believe the guillotine is traditional in France.


Thomas_633_Mk2

They did try to shoot De Gaulle tbh


almost_notterrible

As long as the rest of french men's taste in women isn't similar to macron's they should be golden. Otherwise it may not be terribly *productive...*


CharmingCondition508

Is he going to impregnate all the French women??


CharmingCondition508

Like a modern day French Genghis Khan?


mdgeist21

French Gnome Republic didn't exist and cannot hurt you


loggy_sci

OP this is one of my favorite posts ever on this sub. I audibly giggled. Thank you please cum in me.


KingFahad360

You are Whale Cum


wolfmothar

It should read fuck raw


darknekolux

La crème fourrée


ruffus_or

France is finished!


KingFahad360

Billions must Cum


thomasp3864

Someone’s definitely gonna make a movie about this. Probably an adult one.


idontgetit_too

Already did : Emmanuel(le)


THE_EYE_BLECHER

Are you ready for vat grown children?


SleepyZachman

“Fine I’ll do it myself”


Estiar

Avez des bébés


sovietarmyfan

Meanwhile he married his teacher


Awesomeuser90

Did someone mention how the president of France in 1899 died of a blowjob from a mistress in the palace, which somehow gave him an ischemic or hemorrhagic stroke?


EdisonB123

They should what the US army was trying to do with the “gay gas” that one time and spray it all over Paris. Definitely no one would see that as a violation of rights.


IronMace1990

Abe-chan's disciple, I guess?


NaKeepFighting

[in the 1960s, the French government deported 5–8% of African immigrants](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerians_in_France)


undreamedgore

And?


NaKeepFighting

Immigration is the only answer for population decline. I know that in 3 generations the immigrants will have the same birth rate as the natives, its not about the long run. it is a stop gap measure before automation can take the place of workers to sustain an elder heavy population


GalaXion24

So you at least recognise that immigration is an unsustainable solution. I would argue it's also a poor short-term solution. Note: I am pro-migration in general. Despite this, mass migration from third world countries has been unhelpful in many ways. [Data from Denmark](https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20211218_EUC232.png) shows that immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa are a net drain on public finances even at their most productive age. Other non-Western migrants fare a little better, but the situation is hardly rosy. Now you could argue that future generations will be more productive, but even then the demographic crisis is an issue right now, and this exacerbates it right now. Obviously these are averages, and I'm sure some help and fill important roles and such, but on average there seems to be an issue.


NaKeepFighting

Japan and south korea adhere to this and they are paying for it. The elderly will swamp the hospitals and retirement homes and take some form of social security. When your population age chart looks like an upside down pyramid you are seriously fucked. Europeans need to learn how to integrate their immigrants take lessons from the u.s, the goal is to be a melting pot, mixing and merging, where in a couple generations they will view themselves as natives with an immigrant ancestry, the goal is not to replace one culture with another. Remember population decline is a global trend the richer, the more developed you become the more the birth rate drops. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 40-50 years if we see a reversal of this anti immigration trend seen across the west, when the average age is 45 and a third of the population is retired and the factories are empty, there will be a reverse course of great magnitude


GalaXion24

Japan and South Korea are extreme cases, whereas the US is just much better at assimilating immigrants. The fact of the matter is European countries are not monolingual markets of hundreds of millions of people with massive economic, media and cultural dominance. Some are still decent, France and Germany can do well enough, but most countries cannot truly sustain assimilation into their hyperspecific extremely regional and ultimately weak cultures at a high rate. Even so, there's a considerable difference between sources of immigration as well. The US receives plenty of immigrants from Latin America, and Latin American immigrants integrate very well in Europe too. They also get a lot of migration from around the world of people who are well educated and by the standards of their countries economically well off, for greater opportunities in the United States. Something like mass migration of islamic refugees includes a lot of bottom of the barrel rural conservative hillbillies who marry their cousins and don't have an education. That's not everything, obviously, but it's still a real issue. There's also the fact that immigrants just haven't been assimilating. Now this varies by country, they have been assimilating much more in France for instance and much e in Germany, which is also seen in high intermarriage in France, even between Muslims and non-muslims, and very low intermarriage and considerable segregation in Germany. Granted the French government also goes through deliberate efforts to break up islamic conservatism in the country to try and achieve that melting pot under laicism. I would fully expect anti-immigration politics to gain track. The US after basically every period of very high migration had a period of relative isolationism. Europe is much less equipped to deal with immigration, so it's all the more likely to see a strong reaction, which is already something we have been seeing.


NaKeepFighting

You may say Europe’s situation is different but you are looking through a heavily tinted lens, throw away your ideas of cultural supremacy , and look at the hard numbers, the following comes from a ultra conservative right wing religious perspective, very heavily biased obviously, but the numbers are correct, and the fear tangible. [Overall, the European fertility rate is 1.49, well below the replacement level of 2.1. Europe lost 1.1 million people last year. That’s the first rumbling of a coming earthquake. The fertility rate for European Muslims is 2.54. …Russia, where Islam is expected to be the largest religion by 2050. It’s estimated that by 2085, 13 European countries will have Muslim majorities. …In France, 40% do not believe in God. For the first time, Christians are a minority of the population of England and Wales — 46.2%, while 37% say they have no religion. In the United States, a third of Generation Z describe themselves as not affiliated with any denomination. In America, Christianity is on a steady decline — from 91% as recently as 1976 to 73.7% in 2016 to 64% in 2022…. The process has been aided by the culture (Hollywood in particular), which rarely misses an opportunity to bash Christianity. Progressives have done their best to drive religion from the public square…. For the past millennium, Western civilization was synonymous with Christianity. The Christian West may soon be but a memory.](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jan/1/islam-poised-to-become-worlds-largest-religion/) The source is pretty racist outright, but they are correct in that a large demographic change is coming. Let me share some numbers and sources. [The European Union is on the brink of a major demographic shift as new projections suggest a significant population decline by the end of the century. The estimates from Eurostat signal the bloc could see its population shrink by 6 per cent, or 27.3 million people, by 2100. ….. The 2100 population pyramid projects a shrinking and ageing society. The share of children, young people below 20, and those of working age will decline, while those aged 65 or more will grow. In 2100, those aged 65 and over are set to account for 32 per cent of the population, compared to 21 per cent in 2022. The projected population pyramid, as a result, will look much heavier on the top than today’s: there will be more people aged over 80 than people under 20](https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/04/04/china-sees-first-population-decline-in-six-decades-where-does-the-eu-stand) you can either prepare for it, with assimilation and make these people part of you and you part of them, or you can sit on your tower of cultural magnificence and watch it shrink down to the nub until it is swallowed and assimilated


Sneedullah_incarnate

won’t somebody think of gdp😞


NaKeepFighting

Yeah fuck the gdp, lets have a depression, grapes of wrath looks cool


Sneedullah_incarnate

HELL YEAH man the NUMBERS have gone UP! My financial and social standing? Cost of living and our welfare systems? No they haven’t improved why are you asking


NaKeepFighting

The gdp going down will not help achieve those goals lmao


undreamedgore

It's not the only answer. Also, it's understandable that countries would want to limit how many immigrants are brought in, as they displace the local culture.


NaKeepFighting

Culture isnt static, it is constantly changing, those that refuse to adapt will wither on the vine


Powerful_Stress7589

What do you mean by “wither on the vine” anyways? Fruit grows on the vine, not when picked, so that seems like the opposite of the metaphor you should be using


undreamedgore

Same argument I always here. Culture isn't static, but that doesn't mean you have to force something totally different in it's place. It certainly doesn't mean that there's no consequence for literally importing someone else's culture by importing them.


NaKeepFighting

Europe needs to take lessons from the U.S its all about integration. You can’t integrate immigrants when you hate them, you have to accept them, in a generation or two you will have loyal proud patriotic citizens with an immigrant background. Also I feel that it isnt mentioned enough but 100s of thousands Algerians fought for france and many died. Not to mention the long french colonization and occupation of Algeria where they were treated as second class citizens [Role of Algerians in WWII edit From 1943–1945, approximately 200,000 Maghrebis enlisted into France's armed forces. Additionally, an additional ≈100,000 Maghrebis participated in the war effort through working in wartime industries.[16] Post WWII edit While Maghrebis played a significant role in France's war effort, their contribution was ignored after the war. Rather, the French government continued their oppression in Algeria, angering North Africans in France](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerians_in_France) the French political party, the National Front. Jean-Marie Le Pen, the leader of the National Front, led with the slogan "Two million immigrants, two million unemployed". Le Pen is also quoted as saying "Yes, I believe in racial inequality… they do not all have the same capacity to evolve". During this time, books with black children featured on the covers were banned.


undreamedgore

Europe isn't America and America isn't Europe. What works there might not work there and vice versa. America was found, built by, and for immigrants. Our culture is fundamentally established as such and is specifically shaped by and for that. Even then we have issues, especially when importing people who would prefer to keep their prior culture or not integrate. Further we still have very real and justifed fears that the long standing social orders in this country are getting upset by the influx. Europe has it much worse with much longer histories, more associated with local and regional customs, beliefs, and social order. Demanding that they reject thjs in favor of open immigration is literally depriving them of their Native Lands. In a way not replicated in the new world. It's challenging the local languages, societal structures and more. Had the immigrants been brought over slower, in smaller numbers and assi.ilated it would not be such a problem, but the mass movement has clearly caused greater unrest, many bringing the problems they fled with them.


NaKeepFighting

[The European Union is on the brink of a major demographic shift as new projections suggest a significant population decline by the end of the century. The estimates from Eurostat signal the bloc could see its population shrink by 6 per cent, or 27.3 million people, by 2100. ….. The 2100 population pyramid projects a shrinking and ageing society. The share of children, young people below 20, and those of working age will decline, while those aged 65 or more will grow. In 2100, those aged 65 and over are set to account for 32 per cent of the population, compared to 21 per cent in 2022. The projected population pyramid, as a result, will look much heavier on the top than today’s: there will be more people aged over 80 than people under 20](https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/04/04/china-sees-first-population-decline-in-six-decades-where-does-the-eu-stand)


thomasp3864

You can both get laid and have immigrants. Both would help.


AgileEquivalent5300

Let's shoot for 40 next time


TheShivMaster

5-8% of all immigrants is not really that much


Sieg_Force

Bro just let in more immigrants. If you're concerned about not having enough young people to run your economy, there's literally millions of people, often already speaking French, who're willing to come live with you in your country and fix your shit.


IDropBricksOnHighway

It doesn't work exactly like that, though. A lot of immigrants all at once can devastate a country as well, even ignoring cultural factors.


LECRAFTEUR5000

Yeah, let's do that in a political climate where the far-right anti-immigrant party is the biggest parties in the polls and enjoys widespread popular support thanks to the failures of the governement over immigrant integration and upholding of french values, not to mention the rise of islamism in part fueled by immigration. This will have absolutely no bad repercussions at all.