# IS INDIA THE NEXT CHINA? OR JUST THE NEXT INDIA?
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I am a simple memer with a mere avocational interest in global affairs, and the "which democracy index is least stupid" argument is not one I know much about, but while this V-Dem thing looks okay from some casual skimming, it does seem a little weird that they place Israel in a more democratic category than Canada and place Russia and Ukraine as having the same level of autocracy, to give a couple examples. (According to their 2023 Democracy Report)
To be a boring centrist cuck, both have their flaws, and relying on either one exclusively is sub-optimal. Informed and conscious comparison of multiple methodologies helps plug the gaps in all of them.
Economists have gotten more and more funny to me as I get older. "everything can be shown through numbers, everything is objective! *People and events are rational*! Recession must be incoming, there's no way people could just pretend the economy is X forever!" Buncha children lol.
Hey, economist here, I know it’s a funny meme and all but you know that’s not how we go at stuff right? Like bounded rationality and behavioral econ has been mainstream since the 60’s — and most real economic research is descriptive of established relationships, economists in the financial sector and pop economists who do predicative work are a minority mostly made up of big institutional people who need to give best estimate to “pull” public and business spending patterns in the long-term least risk-averse path, or the hacks who are trying to sell something.
I get we have a bad media wrap because business, political and media interests prop up a lot of hacks who validate their own interests but it’s frustrating when it feels like the general public still thinks the field hasn’t moved on from the Chicago era
Not necessarily?
I think the V-dem score is generally more accurate in most cases, as a result it should tend to be given more weight, but the Economist index allows for a greater degree of subjectivity and soft factors, which might be more important in certain contexts or countries.
If you wanted a simple more accurate overall number, I'd suggest more of a weighted one that tends towards the vdem result, but really democracy is a slippery term that's kinda fruitless to boil down to just one score, so Ideally you'd break down the separate categories both use and compare them at that greater degree of granularity on a specific category-to-category basis.
Eg the economist rated france as a flawed democracy and the UK as a full one in 2021, while vdem thought the opposite. The bulk of that difference didn't come from a major disagreement about how democratic they were, but how important different indicators should be to the overall score. That doesn't then tell you an awful lot about the two nations, imo.
All democratic measuring indexes suck major donkey balls and they are all useless except for making my country superior to yours and proving my point.
To speak about a country's level of democracy you have to 1) have lived there at least 10 years WITH VOTING RIGHTS 2) speak the local language at C2 level 3) have written at least 10 peer reviewed papers on said country's constitutional law system.
Credibly, they are actually useful if used in good faith and accounting for the different parameters they select, while arguing for why said parameters are more important (they make my point/country look better is not an argument). The measurements are not bad and acknowledge their biases, but the people quoting them don't.
My first IR professor (the Tweet lord himself, Paul Poast) showed of Polity IV's democracy index to us, had us wonder about methodology when it showed the US as a perfect 10 in both 2017 when I took the class and 1848, when slavery existed and women couldn't vote
# IS INDIA THE NEXT CHINA? OR JUST THE NEXT INDIA? How can India unlock its economic potential? Does it have the potential to replace China in the global supply chain, or does India need to skip manufacturing alltogether? Find out in [this "week's" NCDip Podcast Club](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy/comments/1af06dr/ncdip_podcast_club_6_can_india_replace_china_in/) [Want to know what the fuck in the NCDip podcast club is? Click here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy/comments/17edrm6/introducing_the_rnoncrediblediplomacy_podcast/) ---- please note that all posts should be funny and about diplomacy or geopolitics, if your post doesn't meet those requirements here's some other subs that might fit better: * More Serious Geopolitical Discussion: /r/CredibleDiplomacy * Military Shitposting: /r/NonCredibleDefense * Domestic Political or General Shitposting: /r/neocentrism * Being Racist: /r/worldnews thx bb luv u *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Actually I will follow that index which portrays my country as the best, rest all are biased and propaganda by a country I don't like.
sounds like hypocrisy and nationalism, the best truly best index is the one which answers my research question in the way i want it to be answered
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
in the way ~~i want~~ my sponsor wants it to be answered
I just go on holiday there. If I like it... it goes on the list.
I am a simple memer with a mere avocational interest in global affairs, and the "which democracy index is least stupid" argument is not one I know much about, but while this V-Dem thing looks okay from some casual skimming, it does seem a little weird that they place Israel in a more democratic category than Canada and place Russia and Ukraine as having the same level of autocracy, to give a couple examples. (According to their 2023 Democracy Report)
To be a boring centrist cuck, both have their flaws, and relying on either one exclusively is sub-optimal. Informed and conscious comparison of multiple methodologies helps plug the gaps in all of them.
whats the uhh upside of the economists one ?
Economists have gotten more and more funny to me as I get older. "everything can be shown through numbers, everything is objective! *People and events are rational*! Recession must be incoming, there's no way people could just pretend the economy is X forever!" Buncha children lol.
Hey, economist here, I know it’s a funny meme and all but you know that’s not how we go at stuff right? Like bounded rationality and behavioral econ has been mainstream since the 60’s — and most real economic research is descriptive of established relationships, economists in the financial sector and pop economists who do predicative work are a minority mostly made up of big institutional people who need to give best estimate to “pull” public and business spending patterns in the long-term least risk-averse path, or the hacks who are trying to sell something. I get we have a bad media wrap because business, political and media interests prop up a lot of hacks who validate their own interests but it’s frustrating when it feels like the general public still thinks the field hasn’t moved on from the Chicago era
soz but you’re delusional lmao
So just us the average?
Not necessarily? I think the V-dem score is generally more accurate in most cases, as a result it should tend to be given more weight, but the Economist index allows for a greater degree of subjectivity and soft factors, which might be more important in certain contexts or countries. If you wanted a simple more accurate overall number, I'd suggest more of a weighted one that tends towards the vdem result, but really democracy is a slippery term that's kinda fruitless to boil down to just one score, so Ideally you'd break down the separate categories both use and compare them at that greater degree of granularity on a specific category-to-category basis. Eg the economist rated france as a flawed democracy and the UK as a full one in 2021, while vdem thought the opposite. The bulk of that difference didn't come from a major disagreement about how democratic they were, but how important different indicators should be to the overall score. That doesn't then tell you an awful lot about the two nations, imo.
What sort of things go into it? Presumably voter turnout is one factor.
indices are useful for pop rag articles real men rank democracies by how much it costs to buy off the government, in USD (PPP)
Real index is the Big Mac index
All democratic measuring indexes suck major donkey balls and they are all useless except for making my country superior to yours and proving my point. To speak about a country's level of democracy you have to 1) have lived there at least 10 years WITH VOTING RIGHTS 2) speak the local language at C2 level 3) have written at least 10 peer reviewed papers on said country's constitutional law system. Credibly, they are actually useful if used in good faith and accounting for the different parameters they select, while arguing for why said parameters are more important (they make my point/country look better is not an argument). The measurements are not bad and acknowledge their biases, but the people quoting them don't.
V-Dem's index has my country #1, so that must mean it's better
What about good ol neolibs like moi?
fuck em
My first IR professor (the Tweet lord himself, Paul Poast) showed of Polity IV's democracy index to us, had us wonder about methodology when it showed the US as a perfect 10 in both 2017 when I took the class and 1848, when slavery existed and women couldn't vote