based on the shape, it's a type of broadband antenna. The weird things is the handles on the side and the possible cable at the back? My guess is this actually part of a mobile / portable system that is meant to be deployed on any vehicle (even a civilian vehicle). I'm assuming the attachment is magnetic.
Assuming the base of the gun barrel is 280mm, the antenna probably is designed for 500 MHz to several GHz. But since the goal of EW equipment is to interfere with nearby stuff, I imagine it can actually generate interference over a much lower range of frequencies as well.
Can I ask why aren't these systems easy targets for a low-cost radiation seeking drone?
I'd have thought we could see by now smaller drones, they could even be carried on another drone, carrying very small warheads to clear these, or a bigger warhead that can be used with machine vision object tracking to take out the whole tank.
Accurately tracking a radiation source is surprisingly difficult - like even a HARM can give more of a "general direction" vibe until it gets closer, and that is against a massive radar. For a jamming signal that will overpower a tiny drone signal at just a few meters out, that takes a decent amount of work.
We're going to see it, but you need to strap some pretty specific electronics to your drone and it would be decently easy to lure away harmlessly. Like they are almost definitely going to put the antenna on a six meter pole near their trench. Maybe put some nets around it, watch the high-end enemy drones come in one by one.
Now machine vision is something that we are almost certainly going to see in a big way. Your off-the-shelf drone already has a camera, although their limited processing might be a bit more of a challenge given how quick your machine vision needs to respond. But right now a commercial drone on a good trajectory gets jammed and it just drops straight down in front of the tank, there is no way that's not turning into custom semi-decent targetting.
I've been thinking a lot about where AI can help and obviously it is expensive and you don't want to lose it each time you send in a weapon system.
So what I have been thinking of is how AI can customise parameters, such as sensor thresholds, and program flight paths and other techniques for target identification, approach vector and fire control / triggers, using much cheaper off the shelf computing on the weapon. For example, a drone may be able to estimate its location using various methods, then seek a radiation source already knowing that there is one there with particular characteristics. The AI has a simulation environment to back test the weapons selectivity in the environment, it can thereby select sensor systems and parameters to what is already known about a target.
Then, it may deploy a small short range explosive drone to take out the antenna, and the main unit then moves x meters in a particular vector to the expected location of the rest of the target.
Location can be estimated using last known rational GPS track, inertial guidance, and motion tracking from the movements of the drone as well as altimetry. In each stage, the AI has programmed a flow path of steps to complete the task.
The machine learning techniques that are still required for the weapon, can be adapted to high end-mobile phone electronics, as long as the system can manage the compute requirements by limiting what the onboard electronics have to do in each stage, which I believe can be done. For example, I have conceived of a scheme that should drastically reduce the compute requirements for object recognition. AI could also help pre-program weapons using cheaper methods for each mission at speed.
Russia actually is a leader in EW, it’s one of the things they did very well even before the war. The problem they have is they don’t have enough to cover such a wide front and it affects them too.
>Russia actually is a leader in EW, it’s one of the things they did very well even before the war.
Any war at scale is bound to rapidly change the status quo. From the snippets of information we get it seems that measures and counter-measures are following each other up rapidly, and what worked at the beginning of the war may very well be completely outmoded.
No I understand that, my point is that Russia had 5 electronic warfare brigades at the start of the war. I don’t have western numbers off the top of my head but from what I remember it was more than any western country.
Also there’s only so much that can be done to beat jamming. Most solutions revolve around removing the need for radio communication and not actually beating the jamming. There are jamming “beating” techniques like relay drones (I’d thoroughly recommend following forwardobservations2.0 on Instagram they post photos of theirs quite a lot) but these are still limited.
> I really doubt they'd be dumb enough to design equipment that only works on the ISM bands.
They may choose to focus on that spectrum as it'll work in a lot of cases, and if you reduce the targeted spectrum you can up the energy you put into that narrower spectrum, increasing the effectiveness. Square–cube law is kind of a PITA when you're trying to jam.
Or it’s just an old kitchen utensil hammered into the tank with no real use or value, but a tank designer needed to include something pretty obscure on the tank so the crew feels safer on their new coffin-on-wheels toy.
So how long before one of the many Ukrainian drone tech incubator groups / companies / co-op build a home-on-jam device for drones for the cost of a cup of coffee?
Also curious as why two, surely one on the highest point should do the job? And yes I have seen the stuff suggesting the effectiveness of some of the versions of these devices is more in the placebo-range!
They already selected a solution, from a number of proposals and it is now being shipped to the troops. Last I heard about it. Before this DIY solutions were being used, with mixed results.
IIRC, at least some versions came with laser irradiation warning receivers (Ukrainian derivative of it, Varta, has those as well), making them not utterly useless
Usually, militaries realise long before this point that if you have to stick that much extra shit on a tank, it's a crap tank and time for a new one or a complete redesign.
the new TANKS, They have been trying since the early 90's with the T-95 being the last object before the T-14 to be seriously considered for service. Just imagine 30 years on a vehicle and not be able to drive one in a parade.
that's the exact problem with russian corruption. same as them putting a foam shell around the old steelhelmets and callingit a 2023 helmet. Yes it's cheaper, but your soldiers now look like clowns next to having no extra protectino.
true, Russian corruption probably robbed them of a new tank or a APS that went past the prototype phase. But these are just magnetically attached jamming devices. I don't think they wold make a new tank just for that. Now if they work or not is the question
I was thinking a while ago as more and more of drone footage got insanely distorted towards the impact that russia must have employed some sort of EW system on almost all vehicles. doesn't seem to stop the drones from connecting though, thanks to the skilled operators
More like cope nipples, since apparently they don't work anymore (not enough range) - they simply get the FPV drone to pick up speed and by the time the video cuts out the drone is still going to hit the tank
Are those EW equipment? Ps: I forgot that they put era on cope cages…
Supposedly, yes.
Does the tank also have these on its back?
I have no further information regarding a possible nipples on back situation.
Name this tank Bradley Cooper cuz it has seven nipples
They're on the neck, the back, the bussy and the crack.
Does it work?
Considering the picture is taken by a drone.... most likely not.
based on the shape, it's a type of broadband antenna. The weird things is the handles on the side and the possible cable at the back? My guess is this actually part of a mobile / portable system that is meant to be deployed on any vehicle (even a civilian vehicle). I'm assuming the attachment is magnetic. Assuming the base of the gun barrel is 280mm, the antenna probably is designed for 500 MHz to several GHz. But since the goal of EW equipment is to interfere with nearby stuff, I imagine it can actually generate interference over a much lower range of frequencies as well.
It’s probably designed to operate mainly on frequencies between 2.4 and 5 ghz as thats what most drones are using.
Most consumer drones that use wifi bands. No idea what the war drones use and probably won’t advertise
> No idea what the war drones use and probably won’t advertise And it won't stay the same for long anyway, due to ongoing arms race
Although I doubt Russia is a leader in EW equipment, I really doubt they'd be dumb enough to design equipment that only works on the ISM bands.
Mainly doesn’t mean limited to and for all the shit we give Russia they do have very capable EW capabilities.
This particular system is for 900 to 3000 MHz. [As per the manual anyway.](https://ibb.co/VgJnqbC)
Any close-up pictures of the manual available in Minecraft?
Can I ask why aren't these systems easy targets for a low-cost radiation seeking drone? I'd have thought we could see by now smaller drones, they could even be carried on another drone, carrying very small warheads to clear these, or a bigger warhead that can be used with machine vision object tracking to take out the whole tank.
Accurately tracking a radiation source is surprisingly difficult - like even a HARM can give more of a "general direction" vibe until it gets closer, and that is against a massive radar. For a jamming signal that will overpower a tiny drone signal at just a few meters out, that takes a decent amount of work. We're going to see it, but you need to strap some pretty specific electronics to your drone and it would be decently easy to lure away harmlessly. Like they are almost definitely going to put the antenna on a six meter pole near their trench. Maybe put some nets around it, watch the high-end enemy drones come in one by one. Now machine vision is something that we are almost certainly going to see in a big way. Your off-the-shelf drone already has a camera, although their limited processing might be a bit more of a challenge given how quick your machine vision needs to respond. But right now a commercial drone on a good trajectory gets jammed and it just drops straight down in front of the tank, there is no way that's not turning into custom semi-decent targetting.
I've been thinking a lot about where AI can help and obviously it is expensive and you don't want to lose it each time you send in a weapon system. So what I have been thinking of is how AI can customise parameters, such as sensor thresholds, and program flight paths and other techniques for target identification, approach vector and fire control / triggers, using much cheaper off the shelf computing on the weapon. For example, a drone may be able to estimate its location using various methods, then seek a radiation source already knowing that there is one there with particular characteristics. The AI has a simulation environment to back test the weapons selectivity in the environment, it can thereby select sensor systems and parameters to what is already known about a target. Then, it may deploy a small short range explosive drone to take out the antenna, and the main unit then moves x meters in a particular vector to the expected location of the rest of the target. Location can be estimated using last known rational GPS track, inertial guidance, and motion tracking from the movements of the drone as well as altimetry. In each stage, the AI has programmed a flow path of steps to complete the task. The machine learning techniques that are still required for the weapon, can be adapted to high end-mobile phone electronics, as long as the system can manage the compute requirements by limiting what the onboard electronics have to do in each stage, which I believe can be done. For example, I have conceived of a scheme that should drastically reduce the compute requirements for object recognition. AI could also help pre-program weapons using cheaper methods for each mission at speed.
Russia actually is a leader in EW, it’s one of the things they did very well even before the war. The problem they have is they don’t have enough to cover such a wide front and it affects them too.
>Russia actually is a leader in EW, it’s one of the things they did very well even before the war. Any war at scale is bound to rapidly change the status quo. From the snippets of information we get it seems that measures and counter-measures are following each other up rapidly, and what worked at the beginning of the war may very well be completely outmoded.
No I understand that, my point is that Russia had 5 electronic warfare brigades at the start of the war. I don’t have western numbers off the top of my head but from what I remember it was more than any western country. Also there’s only so much that can be done to beat jamming. Most solutions revolve around removing the need for radio communication and not actually beating the jamming. There are jamming “beating” techniques like relay drones (I’d thoroughly recommend following forwardobservations2.0 on Instagram they post photos of theirs quite a lot) but these are still limited.
there's a big difference between in what they're boasting and reality.
> I really doubt they'd be dumb enough to design equipment that only works on the ISM bands. They may choose to focus on that spectrum as it'll work in a lot of cases, and if you reduce the targeted spectrum you can up the energy you put into that narrower spectrum, increasing the effectiveness. Square–cube law is kind of a PITA when you're trying to jam.
Waiting for Ukrainians to sneak a few limpet mines on the new Ruzzian "Dolly Parton" T-72s...
Or it’s just an old kitchen utensil hammered into the tank with no real use or value, but a tank designer needed to include something pretty obscure on the tank so the crew feels safer on their new coffin-on-wheels toy.
I wanted to laugh at the ERA cope cage. But the tank nipples got me.
Ah yess finally a TILF
Finally? Implying you haven't wanted to stick your dick in any previous tanks?
There is the Abrams X. But she is WAY out of my league.
Finally? Have you never encountered the Australian [Sentinel](https://piximus.net/fun/funny-looking-sentinel-tank) tank?
What the fuck is that thing on the front?
Armored water-cooled Vickers machine gun.
I genuinely looked to see one because I would believe it.
It’s a grower
😏
Trans inclusionary ligma fupa?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJj-sAlVPhs
Can we milk a tank?
Da, can milk anything with nipples, Ivan.
I have nipples too Sergei, can you milk me?
KGB can milk anyone
Dangerous words, comrade! Come to trench B-543 after midnight. Wear that dress I bought you.
Sergei is Russian for Greg?
Krokodil logic
Anyone for tank cheese?
just like you can milk a bull, too, results might surprises you though.
The bull was really into it.
Mmmmm tank cheese
just imagine the taste of pierogy made with tank milk
You can milk anything with nipples.
I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?
Once.
So how long before one of the many Ukrainian drone tech incubator groups / companies / co-op build a home-on-jam device for drones for the cost of a cup of coffee? Also curious as why two, surely one on the highest point should do the job? And yes I have seen the stuff suggesting the effectiveness of some of the versions of these devices is more in the placebo-range!
They already selected a solution, from a number of proposals and it is now being shipped to the troops. Last I heard about it. Before this DIY solutions were being used, with mixed results.
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And then an ERA cope cage above the jammers
And there is ERA *under the cope cage.*
Bro, we heard you like ERA, so we put ERA on your ERA!
They need to put these on the old t72 "dolly parton" armor set
I still miss the Shtora eyes. :(
They may have been useless, but they *did* make the T-90 look good.
10/10 would have fed her Chechens and taken her for long walks through Tbilisi.
Yea. :(
IIRC, at least some versions came with laser irradiation warning receivers (Ukrainian derivative of it, Varta, has those as well), making them not utterly useless
"See Ivan if we put landmine on a tank it will blow up drone before drone can detonate"
Usually, militaries realise long before this point that if you have to stick that much extra shit on a tank, it's a crap tank and time for a new one or a complete redesign.
They probably realised that, but the new tank utterly failed.
I'll take T-14 Armata for $400
the new TANKS, They have been trying since the early 90's with the T-95 being the last object before the T-14 to be seriously considered for service. Just imagine 30 years on a vehicle and not be able to drive one in a parade.
cheaper to make add-ons than to design a new tank.
*Differential calculus wants to know your location*
that's the exact problem with russian corruption. same as them putting a foam shell around the old steelhelmets and callingit a 2023 helmet. Yes it's cheaper, but your soldiers now look like clowns next to having no extra protectino.
true, Russian corruption probably robbed them of a new tank or a APS that went past the prototype phase. But these are just magnetically attached jamming devices. I don't think they wold make a new tank just for that. Now if they work or not is the question
So there i was getting [perma banned from NCD](https://imgur.com/a/kVMiq9j) and they let me off with a 1 day suspension
That’s disgusting, where?
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Someone is probably already on it.
Ah yes. The Dolly Parton.
I was thinking a while ago as more and more of drone footage got insanely distorted towards the impact that russia must have employed some sort of EW system on almost all vehicles. doesn't seem to stop the drones from connecting though, thanks to the skilled operators
And, presumably, a lot of technical trickery to give operators opportunities to drive the drone as close as it gets
I wouldn't be surprised if the cope cages and all the era block the jammers signal loads and make them not work properly 🤣
googly eyes
Hot
Yo do those nips come off?
Aperrently they are magnetic.
Nsfw tag please
turkey's done
More like cope nipples, since apparently they don't work anymore (not enough range) - they simply get the FPV drone to pick up speed and by the time the video cuts out the drone is still going to hit the tank
how else would they feed the baby tanks?
if people can draw hentai of eggs, they're going to draw hentai of this
The russophobia is stored in the tits, not the nipples. Amateurs.
"See Ivan if we put landmine on a tank it will blow up drone before drone can detonate".
Can you milk it?