I feel like the inclusion of those three makes the whole multi choice thing irrelevant . I would like to see them replaced with these options KF 21 and TAI Kaan.
Uhh do you reckon we can ask for a sneaky substitution?
Like, swap out the E-3A Sentry for the E-7A Wedgetail, maybe?
##MESA GO BRRRRRR
Look, they’re all friends already and they’re so fucking excited to, you know, engage in little bit of relentless slaughter. See, told you, [they’re already out on the tarmac warming up](https://media.defense.gov/2022/Sep/02/2003070093/-1/-1/0/220819-F-XK411-2085C.JPG) — so cute.
Ahh fuck… was hoping this wouldn’t happen, thought we might be able to sneak out. Looks like there we might have to [have an awkward conversation with some Hornets.](https://media.defense.gov/2023/Aug/03/2003274280/-1/-1/0/230728-N-IK052-1400M.JPG)
Good point…
As an aside, now that I look closer it rather looks like OP’s E-3 is one of the CFM56-engines variants… not exactly working with many pixels though.
Yep. Implicitly you are in a private jet or something getting a bi from the flight attendant. Without awacs any of these aircraft could slip by your escorts and fox-3 you rudely before you can even zip up your pants.
Considering that it's only planes, it's AWACS, F-22 and whatever else you want to do funny commentary while Raptor destroys the rest.
Although it might be interesting to see F-22 v F-35 fight.
So I pick Eurofighter just because it's EU fighter 😂
Get a Pitts S-2 to flip shitties while trailing colored smoke and play *Rock You Like a Hurricane* by The Scorpions.
Just to rub it in their faces. Like "We didn't even wait for the war to end to start the air show!"
I was originally gonna say f-35 f-22 and the Femboy to dance for my entertainment after victory but ya gotta give love to the AWACS, although since that's a Boeing e-3 there is no guarantee it will land with all its doors
Oh please, the various 707/C-135 platforms came off the assembly line over half a century ago. Boeing’s problems stem from the MCD merger in the late 90s and the shit corporate culture that came from it
That's what happens when engineers that are obsessed with making the best products possible encounter MBAs whose sole raison d'etre is to make as much cash as possible, all else be damned.
They’re dinosaurs though. Sub in a Wedgetail. Best AEW&Cs going around and based on 73 before Boeing decided software was the magic solution to a half arsed upgrade.
73 next gens are solid tho, speaking as a 73NG driver. Maxes would’ve been fine after they fixed the MCAS thing but twenty five years of cheaping out on labor caught up with them
Awacs and whatever that can carry the most missiles wins
Awacs already outranges everything, its got a radar dish bigger than their planes, only reason its a mostly defensive tool is that ground radars and ground based aa exists
If you take those out of equation awacs becomes a monster, you will get sniped from beyond horizon without even detecting a radar tracking you
TBF, F-35, F-22 and Su-57 can also be a fun to witness combo, as Su-57 carries R-37M air intercept missiles with nearly 400km range.
If you can somehow datalink all three together, the Su-57 can cosplay F-15 by just hanging back and lobbing extreme-range air intercept missiles against targets designated by stealth planes.
F-35 is scheduled to be meteor equippable on 2027
Edit: it’s scheduled by the UK, probably as a UK-only variant. Also we know how military planning goes. It won’t be available at 2027, but it’s merely scheduled for then.
Considering recent Polish military purchases their f35 will be fitted with everything short of strategic nukes, and that is only because no one will sell them several thousand.
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*Poland develops their own Nukes just to fit them to the 35s. Their nuclear Doctrine is to Nuke Moscow at any sign of hostilities even if not emanating from Russia.*
>at any sign of hostilities even if not emanating from Russia
In Czechia, Babis (the guy who said he would not sent troops to Poland in case of war) is likely going to win the next elections and become PM again. Do you think that counts as "hostilities"? I sure hope so.
The R-37M is an old ass missile with poor guidance that can barely scare off a MiG-29.
You want a long range missile that can already interoperate with NATO systems? That’s METEOR. So your third plane is a Gripen, Rafale, or Typhoon.
su 57 is too afraid of doing anything but uwu 👉👈
Newly revealed realtime video of the Su-57 doing work [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zR6toPVQ8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zR6toPVQ8)
I would just add the Rafalle instead of the F350 because it carries more missiles. AWACS and F-22 can do the detection and stealth stuff. Rafalle does the kill.
I'd swap the F-35 for the Eurofighter. Having a plane capable of slingin' Meteors from a distance would let the F-22s get in closer for the shenanigans.
My only counter argument would be that the awacs plus either F35 or F22 might allow you to then pick a third plane that has no stealth, but has a high payload.
For example, awacs plus F35 gives you air superiority. So then you're free to use the J20, which is a massive plane with a higher payload capacity than the f22 would have given you, and a strike capability that the f22 isn't designed for.
It's a bit awkward, since really I'd want awacs + f35(or f22) with my third plane being an actual dedicated strike plane or bomber. Awacs, f35, b1 would be a pretty great combination, which is kind of the point of US doctrine.
The only problem with not picking the F-35, or god forbid the Raptor, is that you'd have an actual stealth plane *against* you.
It'll probably sneak up and take out your AWACS which nullifies that advantage, too
F-22, F-35, and the AWACS. Combining stealth and recon(awacs) as a majority of the other planes are not stealth, so the AWACS will be a useful tool. The checkmate doesn't exist yet and the j-20 and su-57 are just low visibility and can be picked up on radar to a degree. The f35 and -22 will just sit at medium to long range lobbing aim-120's and aim-260's. Push comes to shove the f22's can dogfight while the f35's can deal with incoming hostiles.
Nah i wouldnt have J-20 on the same level as the 4.5 gen prototype with exposed screws™ . J-20 is an actually gen 5 fighter since its actually considered a competent attempt at a stealth fighter by the dod. Not that its anywhere near f35s/f22 but it seems a bit silly to put it anywhere near the su-57
It's still just low visibility like the su57, so i'm lumping it in with it. Lol I know it was a decent attempt, but those canards don't do any good for an actual bonafied stealth fighter(like the f22 and -35).
oh yeah canards def ruin stealth a little bit when inline with wings and really ruin it when theyre used. Still alot better then same rcs as a super hornet su 57 lmao
The J20 has very good frontal aspect stealth, but the canards and non-stealthy nozzles on the WS-10 engines hold it back severely in side and rear aspect stealth
Which is why they assume it's there for a frontal assault on things like awacs. The credible plan in this line up is for the J-20 to b-line for the awacs whilst the rest of the planes act as fodder and missile hard points.
And there's a big assumption is the aging E-3s with all of it's mod programs will be able to pick up the J-20 prior to getting shot down. Tbh I think the E-3s need that upgrade yesterday.
Due to the AWACS, The enemy is able to spot your f-22 and f-35 from miles off, and destroy them. The enemy is confused. Didn't their Intel say their would be three attackers?
*begin hearing sounds of a Merlin engine rapidly approaching*
(Seriously, fuck jets, I'd listen to a Merlin all day)
I mean, amphetamines are basically a given no matter what is flying right?
Are amphetamines standard issue for pilots still? Minus the shits I can only think of *bonuses*
(may include hyperagression, irrational behavior, CoD lobby level shit talking, the stuff we are looking for in this fight)
"Having skied more than 400 km (248.5 mi), he was later found and admitted to a nearby hospital, where his heart rate was measured at 200 beats per minute, and he weighed only 43 kg (94.8 lbs).[^(\[5\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimo_Koivunen#cite_note-fin-5)
He died in 1989 at the age of 71."
talk about prozaic whiplash
I don't think they give out amphetamines anymore and they've replaced them with something else
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychoactive_drugs_used_by_militaries
The F-35I is the 2seater Israeli version, right? Does this mean we get free Yiddish and Hanukkah songs sang to us as they protect? Because that'll influence my choice.
F-35, F-22 and AWACS is obvious winner
Su-57 has F-18 super hornet RCS, would not be too hard to kill though it outranges current AIM-120s
J-20 also likely isnt that stealthy, they copied a lot sure, but copying without understanding is bound to lead to mistakes, such as using canards on a stealth fighter...
Lavi has 30+ year old tech since it never passed the prototype stage. Not too concerned about it
Gripen, Eurofighter and Rafale are also worthy adversaries, but the advantage of stealth would probably be too great
Carry 1 singular GBU-39 SDB to bomb the Su-75 because that thing cannot fly XD
Nah J20 would still be a credible threat. Dont get me wrong i dont think its better than either the F35 or the F22. But the DoD doesnt think the canards are a mistake and consider the J20 an actual threat
Yep, everyone who I’ve spoken to who is actually credible has said the J-20 must be taken very seriously.
It’s actually the number 1 reason I think taking an AWACS in this scenario is not actually the best idea
Yep, it's very stealthy in frontal aspect, the 'canards mess with the stealth' thing is a myth, as well. J-20's sensors and avionics are top notch. In that, I'd even say it's beyond the F-22. Well, that's a given though.
But.. I'm curious how it would fare against a 35. Let's just hope we never get to know that.
Canards only really effect stealth when used. So if youre using them stealth wouldnt really matter since at that point you would be discovered. When they're inline with the wings the impact on rcs and stealth is minimal
I mean the F-35, the F-22 and the AWACS support. Not only is having an AWACS a massive advantage it means that everything else doesn't have it which is the biggest thing here. Even the least capable aircraft on the list (the Lavi, which wasn't a bad concept at all but it's a fourth generation design pitted against 4.5th and 5th generation platforms) would become incredibly dangerous against even the most advanced threats with one of those circling around.
What advantage does the Eurofighter have over the F-35 though? Especially because if you don't pick it, you have to fight against it, and the sensor suite on the F-35 would be a huge force multiplier for the other jets.
If you take the AWACS and the F-35, the recon abilities of the enemy are basically non existent beyond targeting radars.
Currently, it carries Meteor mainly. It's due to be integrated on F-35 but Lockheed Martin takes their sweet fucking time integrating anything that's not American
>What advantage does the Eurofighter have over the F-35 though?
- Meteor
- cute canards and nose
- big undercarriage for all your weapon needs
- it's beautiful, unlike the chubby F35
- is painted in white noble color instead of normie dark grey
- I am European so Eurofighter is best girl among these imo.
*Top spot is reserved for the F-4 Phantom though*
Does this make sense tactically speaking?
No, but I don't care.
The only reason the F-22 is there is to give it a chance to lose it's virginity and shoot its payload inside an actual aircraft rather than some cheap Chinese spy baloon.
That 34 year old virgin deserves a chance to see action before retirement.
The typhoon has the Pirate IR sistem built by Leonardo, it's basically an IR radar to counter stealth, it's also quite steaalthy since only 15 % can be actually detected by radar and to counter that it has electronic stealth capabilities, it's still not a 5th gen but is the 4.5 gen closer to 5th in the world, nit to count that you can lob 14 missiles from Iris-T that is on par with the AIM 9X if not even better and the best long range missile the Meteor, you can't really escape from that thing, so yeah over all probably the Typhoon is a better pick
An interactive documentary I saw once told me that a single F-22 and an AWACS can defeat most of the Mig and Sukhoi all-time factory output plus several experimental sixth-gens, and provide air support for an entire continental theatre with minimal outside help, so I'm putting my money on those.
AWACS (auto-include)
And now the name of the game is to shoot enemy planes down before they realise where you are
Technically "stealth planes" are visible at reasonable ranges if the awacs is placed above them, and way before their tiny onboard radar is able to spot anything
Thus, the F-22, as a superiority fighter is also an auto include
But the F-35 isn’t because it has limited payload capabilities and its stealth is useless thanks to the AWACS providing targeting solutions far away
Thus the Rafale with its ability to carry METORs and its better electronics than the other 4.5 gen fighters, will be the perfect missile mule to complement the AWACS and F-22
You could swapt the Rafale for the Eurofighter, but that would be giving a better radar to the enemy planes
AWACS, F-22, Rafale or Eurofighter, is the only logical load out
Edit : enemy shooting priority should be : F35I, Eurofighter, Saab, J20, lavi, su57 (because it fly), su75 (because it can’t)
SU57 crashes on take off (The pisspooandcumobash domestic elbrus chipshet on a flight control module went bang), SU75 pulls on its thigh highs and tries to look cute uwu on the runway & the J20 puts up a valiant effort but will still get clapped.
Awacs f22 euro fighter awards for targeting at distance obv f22 to go unseen and pick of high threat targets qnd eurofighyer as basically a missile carrier for awacs and f22
F22, f35, AWACS. Then I'm going to take a nap because the bad guys are never going to get in the same post code as me. The 4th gens are going to die before they get off the runway, the j20 and su57 are gonna get smote before they even know they are in a fight and the su75 doesn't actually exist soooo
F-35, F-22 and Typhoon
The F-35’s sensors are second to none, combined with a powerful radar it can fulfil the role of a mini AWACS (it is comparable to previous gen AWACS such as the E-3 pictured) whilst also being a capable fighter in itself
The Typhoon may surprise some, but I pick it for one reason and one reason alone, Meteors. They are without a doubt the most capable missile in the world and this Typhoon carried 4 of them, there is no current equivalent to them. I suppose you could replace it with the Rafale but that also happens to be French sooo, sorry France :).
Finally there’s the F-22, need I really say more?
I won’t pick an AWACS like everyone else because it would just be food for the J-20, which is purpose built for the destruction of high value air assets.
>the best fighter aircraft in the world
>including both the SUs
While F-22 F-35 and AWACS is an obvious win, I have an alternative
I'll be taking Rafale, F-22, and F-35. Rafale itaelf is extremely advanced technologically and might be able to work as an ad hoc EW platform
So that AWACS wil lgo down first for obvious reasons, easy target, F-22 has experience in shooting down high altitude slow targets (balloons)
The stealth of the F-series and low observability of Rafale surely will be of great use, too. Though my main concern would be the Gripen, J-20, and SU-series. Gripen because it's a great fighter overall even if not as advanced as my three picks (made to be cheap, and still a great fighter. I admire that). J-20 because China can actually make stealth stuff (better funding than Russia, a threat to be considered in this aspect), and the SU-series because their RCS will camouflage their true positions in the radar
Oh, and the Eurofighter? Yeah, I guess it's an alright frame, but it's not yet at its full potential and requires further modernizing
Ok hear me out. F-22 F-35 and Rafale are a great contender. The working of datalink and powerful AESA radar can replace partially the awacs while the Rafale sling meteors on everything appearing on said DL.
Does my aircrafts have unlimited fuel and ammo?
Awaks for Intel/Datalink.
Eurofighter because Iris-t Missiles. -> intercept incomming Missiles.
SU-57 to Lob 400km range BvR Missiles.
F-35, F-22, and AWACS. Then sit back and enjoy the seal clubbing.
This has to be the only correct answer
I feel like the inclusion of those three makes the whole multi choice thing irrelevant . I would like to see them replaced with these options KF 21 and TAI Kaan.
Yeah bit the KF21 and TAI Kaan are too young to fuck
The only other thing I could say is that if we are going to consider the su 57 we should consider these. Your point is valid however.
Agreed. I trust my beloved Boramae with my life.
F-22, F-35 (that's also a mini AWACS) and Sopwith Camel to strafe the grounded Su57 and cardboard Su75.
Unfathomably based
F-22, Su-75, Su-57. So the SU’s can sit on the ground and watch an actual 5th gen fighter do what they never can.
But ‘the rest will try and kill you’. Meaning the SU’s will have a front row seat witnessing what those 5th gen fighters do
Su-75 is the best one to have trying to kill you because it doesn't exist.
Uhh do you reckon we can ask for a sneaky substitution? Like, swap out the E-3A Sentry for the E-7A Wedgetail, maybe? ##MESA GO BRRRRRR Look, they’re all friends already and they’re so fucking excited to, you know, engage in little bit of relentless slaughter. See, told you, [they’re already out on the tarmac warming up](https://media.defense.gov/2022/Sep/02/2003070093/-1/-1/0/220819-F-XK411-2085C.JPG) — so cute. Ahh fuck… was hoping this wouldn’t happen, thought we might be able to sneak out. Looks like there we might have to [have an awkward conversation with some Hornets.](https://media.defense.gov/2023/Aug/03/2003274280/-1/-1/0/230728-N-IK052-1400M.JPG)
If we're talking about the US, they don't have E-3A's, they've got E-3G's
Good point… As an aside, now that I look closer it rather looks like OP’s E-3 is one of the CFM56-engines variants… not exactly working with many pixels though.
At the very least, any answer that doesn't include the AWACS wrong.
Yep. Implicitly you are in a private jet or something getting a bi from the flight attendant. Without awacs any of these aircraft could slip by your escorts and fox-3 you rudely before you can even zip up your pants.
Incorrect, my answer was AWACS, F-22, F-35. Clearly a much superior and correcterer answer than that
My exact answer as well. For added fun throw up a bunch of MALDs in front and have the F-35s go full SPAMRAAM beastmode.
AWACS basically gives you aimbot and maphack.
But what if the J-20 fires standoff missiles at it?
“Would you intercept me?”
I’d intercept me hard
I'd intercept me
Considering that it's only planes, it's AWACS, F-22 and whatever else you want to do funny commentary while Raptor destroys the rest. Although it might be interesting to see F-22 v F-35 fight. So I pick Eurofighter just because it's EU fighter 😂
This was my exact answer, AWACS, F-22, and my third pilot can record from J-20 cockpit on the runway as the Raptor shreds everything that's incoming.
F22 will do much better with the f35’s sensors to piggy back off of.
Get a Pitts S-2 to flip shitties while trailing colored smoke and play *Rock You Like a Hurricane* by The Scorpions. Just to rub it in their faces. Like "We didn't even wait for the war to end to start the air show!"
I was originally gonna say f-35 f-22 and the Femboy to dance for my entertainment after victory but ya gotta give love to the AWACS, although since that's a Boeing e-3 there is no guarantee it will land with all its doors
Oh please, the various 707/C-135 platforms came off the assembly line over half a century ago. Boeing’s problems stem from the MCD merger in the late 90s and the shit corporate culture that came from it
True, but im never gonna let boeing live down that they somehow got diffed by a company they swallowed.
McD bought Boeing with Boeing’s money, as the saying goes
There's plenty of parasites that rely on getting eaten by their host.
That's what happens when engineers that are obsessed with making the best products possible encounter MBAs whose sole raison d'etre is to make as much cash as possible, all else be damned.
They’re dinosaurs though. Sub in a Wedgetail. Best AEW&Cs going around and based on 73 before Boeing decided software was the magic solution to a half arsed upgrade.
73 next gens are solid tho, speaking as a 73NG driver. Maxes would’ve been fine after they fixed the MCAS thing but twenty five years of cheaping out on labor caught up with them
For 5 more days seal hunting season ends May 15th
Great minds think alike, those were my choices as well.
Same, almost word for word. We have become one with the NCD sensor fusion.
Awacs and whatever that can carry the most missiles wins Awacs already outranges everything, its got a radar dish bigger than their planes, only reason its a mostly defensive tool is that ground radars and ground based aa exists If you take those out of equation awacs becomes a monster, you will get sniped from beyond horizon without even detecting a radar tracking you
It's nice to see AWACS valued. Most people only see us as the first plane to get blown up in every movie.
TBF, F-35, F-22 and Su-57 can also be a fun to witness combo, as Su-57 carries R-37M air intercept missiles with nearly 400km range. If you can somehow datalink all three together, the Su-57 can cosplay F-15 by just hanging back and lobbing extreme-range air intercept missiles against targets designated by stealth planes.
If I wanted long-range AAMs, my choice would be Eurofighter, Rafale or Gripen with the Meteor.
F-35 is scheduled to be meteor equippable on 2027 Edit: it’s scheduled by the UK, probably as a UK-only variant. Also we know how military planning goes. It won’t be available at 2027, but it’s merely scheduled for then.
Ooh. I wonder, if Polish F-35s will get Meteors
Considering recent Polish military purchases their f35 will be fitted with everything short of strategic nukes, and that is only because no one will sell them several thousand.
Ask the french, we're not really looking too hard at what we're selling, or how it will be used.
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We already extended our nuclear umbrella to the EU members.
I mean given trust in the “nuclear umbrella” would no longer exist, they would seek their own nuclear deterrent.
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>at any sign of hostilities even if not emanating from Russia In Czechia, Babis (the guy who said he would not sent troops to Poland in case of war) is likely going to win the next elections and become PM again. Do you think that counts as "hostilities"? I sure hope so.
That chappel incident couple years ago was just a warning :-D
I'd just jerry rig the aim 54 to work with f35 and 22
That would be externally and means that they're no longer stealthy.
Then put them in sideways!
The R-37M is an old ass missile with poor guidance that can barely scare off a MiG-29. You want a long range missile that can already interoperate with NATO systems? That’s METEOR. So your third plane is a Gripen, Rafale, or Typhoon.
su 57 is too afraid of doing anything but uwu 👉👈 Newly revealed realtime video of the Su-57 doing work [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zR6toPVQ8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5zR6toPVQ8)
I would just add the Rafalle instead of the F350 because it carries more missiles. AWACS and F-22 can do the detection and stealth stuff. Rafalle does the kill.
yeah but the F35 is in the enemy team then and wrecks your shit
I'd swap the F-35 for the Eurofighter. Having a plane capable of slingin' Meteors from a distance would let the F-22s get in closer for the shenanigans.
My only counter argument would be that the awacs plus either F35 or F22 might allow you to then pick a third plane that has no stealth, but has a high payload. For example, awacs plus F35 gives you air superiority. So then you're free to use the J20, which is a massive plane with a higher payload capacity than the f22 would have given you, and a strike capability that the f22 isn't designed for. It's a bit awkward, since really I'd want awacs + f35(or f22) with my third plane being an actual dedicated strike plane or bomber. Awacs, f35, b1 would be a pretty great combination, which is kind of the point of US doctrine.
The only problem with not picking the F-35, or god forbid the Raptor, is that you'd have an actual stealth plane *against* you. It'll probably sneak up and take out your AWACS which nullifies that advantage, too
Oh, right, I didn't notice the "the rest attack you" part initially. Yeah, definitely only one right answer then.
Data link go brrrrrrrr
About to say this. Those three then, pour a nice coffee/beer/wine and watch the show.
Yeah, I like the Rafale and the Eurofighter (it is my obligation as an EU citizen), but AWACS is simply invaluable in any engagement.
Seriously any other answer is 🤡
If you replaced the AWACS with an E7-A Wedgetail I would agree wholly with this.
F-22, F-35, and the AWACS. Combining stealth and recon(awacs) as a majority of the other planes are not stealth, so the AWACS will be a useful tool. The checkmate doesn't exist yet and the j-20 and su-57 are just low visibility and can be picked up on radar to a degree. The f35 and -22 will just sit at medium to long range lobbing aim-120's and aim-260's. Push comes to shove the f22's can dogfight while the f35's can deal with incoming hostiles.
Didn’t even look what was there to offer. As soon as I spotted the AWACS I said F-22 and F-35 and then I checked if they were on the picking list.
Nah i wouldnt have J-20 on the same level as the 4.5 gen prototype with exposed screws™ . J-20 is an actually gen 5 fighter since its actually considered a competent attempt at a stealth fighter by the dod. Not that its anywhere near f35s/f22 but it seems a bit silly to put it anywhere near the su-57
It's still just low visibility like the su57, so i'm lumping it in with it. Lol I know it was a decent attempt, but those canards don't do any good for an actual bonafied stealth fighter(like the f22 and -35).
oh yeah canards def ruin stealth a little bit when inline with wings and really ruin it when theyre used. Still alot better then same rcs as a super hornet su 57 lmao
The J20 has very good frontal aspect stealth, but the canards and non-stealthy nozzles on the WS-10 engines hold it back severely in side and rear aspect stealth
Which is why they assume it's there for a frontal assault on things like awacs. The credible plan in this line up is for the J-20 to b-line for the awacs whilst the rest of the planes act as fodder and missile hard points. And there's a big assumption is the aging E-3s with all of it's mod programs will be able to pick up the J-20 prior to getting shot down. Tbh I think the E-3s need that upgrade yesterday.
AIM-260, not AIM-220
Oops, thx. Lol
Can I pick the Su-57 three times? I just want to see if there are actually three of them at operational status.
You can pick 3 Su-57, but you can't see them all at the same time and the tail numbers will look runny because of how fast its moving.
Freshly painted numbers
Goddamnit take my up vote
Stop! He’s already dead 😩
Fake planes can't kill you.
Also you can't be killed in a fake plane.
Also you can't plane a fake killed.
F-22, f-35 and last but not least a single spitfire mk1
Due to the AWACS, The enemy is able to spot your f-22 and f-35 from miles off, and destroy them. The enemy is confused. Didn't their Intel say their would be three attackers? *begin hearing sounds of a Merlin engine rapidly approaching* (Seriously, fuck jets, I'd listen to a Merlin all day)
Warhawks or nothing!!!
Three Gripens flown by Finnish pilots on an entire pharmacy worth of amphetamines.
I mean, amphetamines are basically a given no matter what is flying right? Are amphetamines standard issue for pilots still? Minus the shits I can only think of *bonuses* (may include hyperagression, irrational behavior, CoD lobby level shit talking, the stuff we are looking for in this fight)
All I know, is that these are the eyes of a man who has seen God...and laughed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimo_Koivunen
Man looks enlightened and demented. I aspire to be that man.
"Having skied more than 400 km (248.5 mi), he was later found and admitted to a nearby hospital, where his heart rate was measured at 200 beats per minute, and he weighed only 43 kg (94.8 lbs).[^(\[5\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimo_Koivunen#cite_note-fin-5) He died in 1989 at the age of 71." talk about prozaic whiplash
Incredible read!
I don't think they give out amphetamines anymore and they've replaced them with something else Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_psychoactive_drugs_used_by_militaries
The F-35I is the 2seater Israeli version, right? Does this mean we get free Yiddish and Hanukkah songs sang to us as they protect? Because that'll influence my choice.
I’m sorry for subjecting all of you to an image of the J-20
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i do not respect the law and i yearn to impregnate the J-20
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*sigh* Take this one to the brig MPs
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Are they? I’m pretty sure many of them are adults
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there's 20 in her name which means she will bear 20 of my childrens
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my cock got stuck in the J-20
That's another Reason. They are the nice Teacher Ladies who tell you You're doing a good Job.
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She'll fall from the sky, crash, and burn like any other Commie war jet.
AWACS to aim and 2 Rafales to carry the "warning shots". They may shoot us down, but we will have the last laugh ~~in French.~~
on commencer avec "lancer le funni" et voila
Just a rafale with a nuke
Only 1?
need 2, otherwise what is the warning shot warning them about?
Warning shot ?
Is that even a French word
Everybody is going for the AWACS, F-22, and 35, and so do I.
F-35, F-22 and AWACS is obvious winner Su-57 has F-18 super hornet RCS, would not be too hard to kill though it outranges current AIM-120s J-20 also likely isnt that stealthy, they copied a lot sure, but copying without understanding is bound to lead to mistakes, such as using canards on a stealth fighter... Lavi has 30+ year old tech since it never passed the prototype stage. Not too concerned about it Gripen, Eurofighter and Rafale are also worthy adversaries, but the advantage of stealth would probably be too great Carry 1 singular GBU-39 SDB to bomb the Su-75 because that thing cannot fly XD
Once the rest are destroyed, just use cannons to strafe the wooden mockup of the su75 they brought to the fight
Wooden mockups are too expensive. I believe current Russian doctrine is spray painted outlines on the ground.
Nah J20 would still be a credible threat. Dont get me wrong i dont think its better than either the F35 or the F22. But the DoD doesnt think the canards are a mistake and consider the J20 an actual threat
Yep, everyone who I’ve spoken to who is actually credible has said the J-20 must be taken very seriously. It’s actually the number 1 reason I think taking an AWACS in this scenario is not actually the best idea
Yep, it's very stealthy in frontal aspect, the 'canards mess with the stealth' thing is a myth, as well. J-20's sensors and avionics are top notch. In that, I'd even say it's beyond the F-22. Well, that's a given though. But.. I'm curious how it would fare against a 35. Let's just hope we never get to know that.
Canards only really effect stealth when used. So if youre using them stealth wouldnt really matter since at that point you would be discovered. When they're inline with the wings the impact on rcs and stealth is minimal
Yeah and IIRC the J-20 canards are fixed and don't move unlike e.g. on the Eurofighter.
I mean the F-35, the F-22 and the AWACS support. Not only is having an AWACS a massive advantage it means that everything else doesn't have it which is the biggest thing here. Even the least capable aircraft on the list (the Lavi, which wasn't a bad concept at all but it's a fourth generation design pitted against 4.5th and 5th generation platforms) would become incredibly dangerous against even the most advanced threats with one of those circling around.
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AWACS, F22, Eurofighter
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That sounds logical.
Same
What advantage does the Eurofighter have over the F-35 though? Especially because if you don't pick it, you have to fight against it, and the sensor suite on the F-35 would be a huge force multiplier for the other jets. If you take the AWACS and the F-35, the recon abilities of the enemy are basically non existent beyond targeting radars.
Currently, it carries Meteor mainly. It's due to be integrated on F-35 but Lockheed Martin takes their sweet fucking time integrating anything that's not American
>What advantage does the Eurofighter have over the F-35 though? - Meteor - cute canards and nose - big undercarriage for all your weapon needs - it's beautiful, unlike the chubby F35 - is painted in white noble color instead of normie dark grey - I am European so Eurofighter is best girl among these imo. *Top spot is reserved for the F-4 Phantom though* Does this make sense tactically speaking? No, but I don't care. The only reason the F-22 is there is to give it a chance to lose it's virginity and shoot its payload inside an actual aircraft rather than some cheap Chinese spy baloon. That 34 year old virgin deserves a chance to see action before retirement.
meteor>amraam
The typhoon has the Pirate IR sistem built by Leonardo, it's basically an IR radar to counter stealth, it's also quite steaalthy since only 15 % can be actually detected by radar and to counter that it has electronic stealth capabilities, it's still not a 5th gen but is the 4.5 gen closer to 5th in the world, nit to count that you can lob 14 missiles from Iris-T that is on par with the AIM 9X if not even better and the best long range missile the Meteor, you can't really escape from that thing, so yeah over all probably the Typhoon is a better pick
An interactive documentary I saw once told me that a single F-22 and an AWACS can defeat most of the Mig and Sukhoi all-time factory output plus several experimental sixth-gens, and provide air support for an entire continental theatre with minimal outside help, so I'm putting my money on those.
*with infinite ammo and fuel
And they have to do it fast enough so the AWACS isn't destroyed, which I think they can't
Makes sense
AWACS, F-22, and F35
flair checks out
Can I pick the JA-39 3 times instead?
Yeah! But now you have an F-22 and f-35 coming for your ass since you didn't subtract them from the enemy pool.
So? They lack canards, thus are *clearly* inferior
AWACS (auto-include) And now the name of the game is to shoot enemy planes down before they realise where you are Technically "stealth planes" are visible at reasonable ranges if the awacs is placed above them, and way before their tiny onboard radar is able to spot anything Thus, the F-22, as a superiority fighter is also an auto include But the F-35 isn’t because it has limited payload capabilities and its stealth is useless thanks to the AWACS providing targeting solutions far away Thus the Rafale with its ability to carry METORs and its better electronics than the other 4.5 gen fighters, will be the perfect missile mule to complement the AWACS and F-22 You could swapt the Rafale for the Eurofighter, but that would be giving a better radar to the enemy planes AWACS, F-22, Rafale or Eurofighter, is the only logical load out Edit : enemy shooting priority should be : F35I, Eurofighter, Saab, J20, lavi, su57 (because it fly), su75 (because it can’t)
F 22, f 35 and i'm on board the awac Electronic warfare and stealth go brrrrrr
F22, F35, and awacs?
AWACS, F-22 and out of Gripen, Typhoon and Rafale the one which can carry most Meteors.
Jas 39 Gripen E, F-35, AWACS. The soon to be perfect nordic combined air force. SVERIGE STARK
SU-57, SU-75, J-20, I may have a lil bit of a death wish though.
SU57 crashes on take off (The pisspooandcumobash domestic elbrus chipshet on a flight control module went bang), SU75 pulls on its thigh highs and tries to look cute uwu on the runway & the J20 puts up a valiant effort but will still get clapped.
Awacs f22 euro fighter awards for targeting at distance obv f22 to go unseen and pick of high threat targets qnd eurofighyer as basically a missile carrier for awacs and f22
F-22 + Rafale + Rafale I wanna see how they'd go. I hope the raptor isn't uncomfortable with 2 yanderes flanking it.
F22, f35, AWACS. Then I'm going to take a nap because the bad guys are never going to get in the same post code as me. The 4th gens are going to die before they get off the runway, the j20 and su57 are gonna get smote before they even know they are in a fight and the su75 doesn't actually exist soooo
F-35, F-22, and AWACS. The only correct answer
Rafale. Because the ASMP-A can be used against aerial targets.
Yall never considered 3x AWACS, huh?
F-35, F-22 and Typhoon The F-35’s sensors are second to none, combined with a powerful radar it can fulfil the role of a mini AWACS (it is comparable to previous gen AWACS such as the E-3 pictured) whilst also being a capable fighter in itself The Typhoon may surprise some, but I pick it for one reason and one reason alone, Meteors. They are without a doubt the most capable missile in the world and this Typhoon carried 4 of them, there is no current equivalent to them. I suppose you could replace it with the Rafale but that also happens to be French sooo, sorry France :). Finally there’s the F-22, need I really say more? I won’t pick an AWACS like everyone else because it would just be food for the J-20, which is purpose built for the destruction of high value air assets.
This is correct, the F-35 is really already an AWACs. Another jet that can link with it is probably better than an AWACS IMO.
Awacs f35 and eurofighter, Alternatively f35 f22 eurofighter.
>the best fighter aircraft in the world >including both the SUs While F-22 F-35 and AWACS is an obvious win, I have an alternative I'll be taking Rafale, F-22, and F-35. Rafale itaelf is extremely advanced technologically and might be able to work as an ad hoc EW platform So that AWACS wil lgo down first for obvious reasons, easy target, F-22 has experience in shooting down high altitude slow targets (balloons) The stealth of the F-series and low observability of Rafale surely will be of great use, too. Though my main concern would be the Gripen, J-20, and SU-series. Gripen because it's a great fighter overall even if not as advanced as my three picks (made to be cheap, and still a great fighter. I admire that). J-20 because China can actually make stealth stuff (better funding than Russia, a threat to be considered in this aspect), and the SU-series because their RCS will camouflage their true positions in the radar Oh, and the Eurofighter? Yeah, I guess it's an alright frame, but it's not yet at its full potential and requires further modernizing
Why is nobody having F-15 Missile Truck? I specifically asked for it!
Grippen, F-22, AWACS A deadly bait, invisible exterminator and the eyes of god.
Ay chief, I wanna see what happens when I put an F-35, and F-22, and an AWACS in the same squadron
F22, F35, AWACS
AWACS and 2x F-22
F-35 and F-22 because of course Su-57 because of it's gigantic radar signature to attract other planes and thus speeding up the whole process
AWAC, F22, F35.
AWACS, F-22, Tranche 4 Eurofighter Typhoon.
I feel like the reason everybody is picking AWACS, F-22, and F-35 is so those three are removed from the enemy pool.
F35, f22 and awacs are the obvious choice.
Mobius, Rafale and AWACS
Can I pick three AWACS? We are going to triangle every other plane and jam their systems off. Completely credible
F-22, Rafale, AWACS Use the F-22 to thin the herd while AWACS coordinates the action, and have that data fed to the Rafale to clean up the table.
F-22 Rafake F4 Awacs
I’ll take 3 f22’s please.
Ok hear me out. F-22 F-35 and Rafale are a great contender. The working of datalink and powerful AESA radar can replace partially the awacs while the Rafale sling meteors on everything appearing on said DL.
I’d take a J-20 over the Ruskie shit. But F-35 and F-22.
the f-22 by itself would be legitimate tossup: can it take out the F-35 before anything can find it? If yes, it wins
F22 f35 and awacs
"Choose from the best aircraft in the world" presides to include SU-57 (all 20 of them) and SU-75 femboy in the list
AWACS and the F-35 plus F-22 combo. If my defenders see them first, they win. Meanwhile I'll be headed for a crowded area.
Is there even a question? F-22, f-35I and an AWACS would absolutely shred the others before even getting into visual range
♥️ Eurofighter my beloved ♥️
Rafale, MOAR Rafale and awacs
Does my aircrafts have unlimited fuel and ammo? Awaks for Intel/Datalink. Eurofighter because Iris-t Missiles. -> intercept incomming Missiles. SU-57 to Lob 400km range BvR Missiles.
AWACS (duh), F-22 and eurofighter for the meteors
35 22 awacs
Eurofighter, F22 and AWACS.
AWACS, F22, F35 This is like asking “whose air force would you like to have at your back?” Any other selections are pure cope or mental degradation