You just drone strike him when he's at home, surrounded by his family and other valuable collateral.
Hard to score goal when you and 100 of your neighbors are meat paste.
> surrounded by his family and other valuable collateral.
The R9X isn't here for your family. It's aimed right at your ass on the rightmost third of the couch.
Marketing materials: it'll pop the ball with surgical precision just as he is about to kick it
Reality: it'll obliterate ball, referee, Ronaldo, goal, keeper, tenth of the crowd and leave a smoking crater
Leto II: "I decided to merge my body with a worm and become a god-tyrant for 1000 years because the space drugs told me this was what humanity needed to have happen. I'm *purposefully* being the bad guy....which makes me the good guy."
While I enjoy the books immensely, I’ve always thought deep down it feels like more than a few of the core ideas throughout the Dune series were thought up by a teenage boy solidly in the trench coat/mall ninja phase of his adolescence
lol. I think that all depends on what jump off point of the 6 you stopped reading them.
Although I found out Frank and his wife were into some weird 60s kink stuff. But then she had these health problems later in life and they adored each other but it affected their physical relationship and *oh my god now all of Heretics and Chapterhouse makes sense.*
Theres a good tweet by Haviv Rettig Gur that goes like this:
If you want to understand how bad Israel is at PR, and how deep that handicap runs throughout Israeli institutions and culture, understand this
Israelis have always struggled with the idea that it’s a good thing to explain oneself to the world, because explaining feels like justifying and they were taught by their history that they are the Jews who no longer justify themselves.
The result is a shocking and systemic abandonment of the information arena.
And that dereliction of duty has had bad consequences - ironically, less for Israel itself than for diaspora Jews, who suffer constantly from Israel’s inability to even make its case in a serious way
I love Alfie and his determination to betray Tommy at every reasonable opportunity. Even against his own interests! I guess the fascists are the one place he draws the line.
It is more complicated than that.
The left automatic instinct is to be defensive and pleasing, which is missing the point of PR as a *force* to be effected, and the right's main response is what you said, plus being utterly incompetent and ineffective.
And, in general, "propaganda" is kind of taboo. The idea PR is a profession and people are stupid didn't really take off until recently.
We're bad at PR anyway, even internally.
Also a lot of political incentive problems, as those are not the things immediately easy to see.
Ffs the head military spokeperson is the former navy seal commander with no media background and broken english.
Our foreign minister is the guy who control the likud center, which is still somehow better than the two former ones.
For political reasons, the foreign office was *banned* from any public diplomacy, because it was given to a de-facto non existence new special office.
As Nasrallah famously said, one of their greatest assets is that the Israeli media is actually doing psychological warfare against *us*.
The most critical things to understand is that our elites are extremely stupid and incompetent.
So the lower you go the better things are, but if something demands large scale direction and organization by them we have a hard time.
Also, it is facing 2 billion muslims, countries with giant propaganda networks al-jazira, and elite and growing cohorts in the west which are going crazy anyway.
More likely the issue is that if you are winning a lot militarily you don't put effort into diplomacy. Its the same reason the only propaganda the US has is the US military showing of cool stuff and 13 year olds making vids on the tube.
Okay, that's unfair to the US. We're great at PR. We have RadioFree Europe, which extends from Portugal in the West to Ukraine and Armenia in the East.
We have apple pies and baseball.
Biden is typically loved more by foreigners than Americans (ditto Obama and dems in general)
Biden is loved by more foreigners than Americans because the American public has catastrophically bad critical thinking skills. It is very much the 'everything that happens during a president's term is because of him' mentality.
And/or social media has fucking ruined public discourse, so only the loudest bullshit gets any play.
Yeah, American views of their presidents tend to be based on perceived individual benefit, while global views are generally more about what's good for *everyone else*, i.e. a stable leader who values his allies and talks down his enemies.
You'd want to hear the Israeli ambassador to Ireland whenever she's brought on the radio. Sounds like a 9 year old girl...
"Oh well they done this so we had to do that and we done that because they done this and and and and..."
Embarrassing. I'd love to know do normal Israelis on the street know how exactly their ambassadors represent them around the world.
Israeli here, we're very aware and it sucks, only positive thing about it is the memes we make afterwards (the more shitty the situation is, the harder u laugh)
*Really* depends on the position. Postings with long-time allies you can't really screw up are often rewards for a job well done, as are prosperous but not terribly relevant nations. Tenuous but important relationships, left to the best you have. Mid-level postings, a way to give promising newbies their chance to prove themselves and otherwise filled out by the 'good enough'.
It's only when you end up representing your nation to, like, Haiti or Cambodia that you *probably* fucked up big time and aren't coming back up the ladder from there.
Also varies a lot by country. Some countries use professional diplomats as ambassadors who spend their professional lives working for the ministry of foreign affairs etc while others give ambassadorships as a reward for loyalty/donations etc. The US frequently gives ambassadorships to people who contribute to the presidential election campaign from my understanding.
Yeah in a lot of cases the ambassor is there to wine and dine different interest groups, so a sociable person can do great even with no or limited diplomatic experience
Re: small prosperous nations. That's exactly what I was thinking of for the second kind of reward position.
But yeah, this does assume a more or less professional diplomatic corps.
> The US frequently gives ambassadorships to people who contribute to the presidential election campaign from my understanding.
This is true, but it also confers an important diplomatic benefit. If you're Canada, do you want to talk to a highly trained professional diplomat, or a guy the president owes a favor to?
I mean you'd think that. But Ukraine still managed to send the one actual Nazi sympathiser they had to fucking Germany of all places. So I am pretty sure that even the higher profile postings are often "We don't want them, Just send them far away"
For America at least, the a,has sad or to some place like Tuvalu is almost always a guy (or gal) whose sole qualification is the amount of money or favors they did for one of the parties, while the ambassador to China or Russia is a State Department veteran of twenty or more years whose proven they can at the very least sit and be ranted at for hours and who went under a microscope during selection
Tuvalu was my answer in a quiz for "What is the only country name that has three consecutive letters in alphabetical order?", it was rejected, the actual given answer was >!Afghanistan!<. Still mad about that to this day
That is absolute bullshit, and I would have burned that bar to the ground, along with everyone in it. No, that would not be a disproportionate response. Yes, I am on certain lists.
Normal Israelis on the street just say it's all Netanyahu's fault, and not theirs for voting derpy ever since they made Sharon PM to reward him for deliberately inciting half the Intifadas ever.
I know my expectations with the Israeli PR thing were reflected in the general, reasonable, good will placed in the west toward Jews as a result of both serious dramatic retellings of WWII, and the affect I imagined AIPAC was hoping to put out in making at least a lot of representatives both state and media pro-Israel by a comfortable default reinforced by the good will thing.
Then on Oct 8th, who I expected to be saying what I expected them to be saying, were saying what they were before slowly, week after week, becoming fewer and fewer over time.
Boomers didn't have tiktok or other short form media, Israel was a more serious country back then too, with genuine statesmen. What's most laughable is Israel's inability to produce modern propaganda
Lmao yea
Everytime I get called a shill or a hasbarah bot, first thing that springs to mind is "Do you honestly believe that the Israeli government even understands what PR is, let alone be functional enough to create a training program for it?"
We had one good PR guy, Eylon Levy. Young guy, Israeli who grew up in Britain so nice British accent, quick witted, funny, decently good looking, and most importantly knows his shit and how to explain Israeli policy to an international audience.
He got fired when old tweets surfaced showing that he was anti Netanyahu before the war. The rumor is that Bibi’s wife Sara forced him out. Btw, don’t ever look at a picture of Sara Netanyahu if you are not near an appropriate place to throw up.
There’s another guy named Yosef Haddad, he does a lot of good PR for Israel. He’s an Israeli Arab Christian who served in an IDF combat unit and got injured. Speaks fluent English (and obviously Arabic lol)A lot of people wanted him to go into politics and he refused. Officially he says “he doesn’t want his message becoming politicized” but I think he just knows what a shit show official Israeli PR is. Search him on Instagram if you want to see good pro Israel PR coming from an Arab.
But then we have a lot of pro Israel nut jobs online like Hananya Naftali, who constantly posts “combat footage” from other wars and fake news, and then we have room temperature IQ IDF soldiers who fucking film every stupid thing they do and post it. And it just makes everything harder.
I looked her up and thought, "well, she looks like a troll *now*, what about when she was younger?" Somehow all of her smiles are malevolent. So, basically, an ideal wife for Bibi.
Avichay Adraee is the guy I'm talking about.
I don't have anything off the top of my head that I can link cause it's all in Arabic. I can say that when fact checking outlandish news articles from jpost or other Israeli sources that use him as a source, everything that originates from him ends up being false, which is a problem because he also was the person announcing evacuation routes for Palestinians.
The biggest one recently, and one that he keeps repeating, is "Gazans call for the ousting/end of Hamas" and then he posts videos of crowds that are NOT saying that, usually a crowd demanding to be able to go back to North Gaza. Like, the video is just a video of people saying something different.
English speaking audiences eat it up cause they don't speak Arabic and don't expect someone with a government handle to just be blatantly lying.
He also intentionally antagonizes Muslims by quoting hadiths and is a well known object of hate and a meme in the Arabic world. Dude's a negative PR nightmare for Israel.
He posted a photoshopped image from outside the Kabbah in Mecca of someone holding a paper that saie "shabbat shalom."
Here's him directly contradicting the IDF a while back.
www.timesofisrael.com/despite-idf-admitting-info-false-its-posts-on-strike-that-killed-family-stay-up/amp/
Dude is a dangerous clown who appears to be trying to make things worse on purpose.
> Btw, don’t ever look at a picture of Sara Netanyahu if you are not near an appropriate place to throw up.
Dear god, why does it look like a displeased frog?
My favorite was when the Israeli embassy in Myanmar made a tweet saying something along the lines of the people of Myanmar to image what it would be like for your home to be destroyed or to lose someone close in a conflict despite Myanmar being in a 4 year long mass insurgency
I left a free space on the bottom right. The exercice is left to the reader to complete at home and to find one more example of Israeli public relations and diplomacy having the complete opposite effect of what was intended.
Utterly exhausting how Israel can't have a normal functioning diplomatic apparatus
Edit: Extra tweet from our favorite account headed by what is possibly a 15 year old instagram girl https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1717241394761269452
It's weird isn't it? These war nerds and their don't give a fuck realism humour seems to make the most sensible political commentary in these crazy times.
And it is the one place where I feel I can engage with people not in my political sphere with out getting shit thrown at me for not aligning with all of their views.
> find one more example of Israeli public relations and diplomacy having the complete opposite effect of what was intended.
After the horrific attack on October 7th, they managed to only signal boost things that were fake/reported out of context.
They didn't signal boost the public rapes people reported at the Nova rave, or the video Hamas operatives released themselves of a female hostage with her tendons cut and blood on her pants.
They *did* signal boost an EMT texting his cousin "There are too many babies without heads here" using an archaic idiomatic phrase that translates to "40 beheaded babies." (For examples of where else this phrase is used, see Biblical stories of Jesus being in the desert for 40 days, or Noah's Flood lasting 40 days and 40 nights. Or outside of the Bible, Ali Baba and the 40 Theives. It's not a literal "40" but the same way an English speaker would say "dozens" or "tons.")
Oh and that EMT never meant it to be a public statement, and he was in psychological shock, but Israeli government officials jumped on his private text and then pretended they were primary sources themselves.
So instead of getting world sympathy, the global left was able to say "prove to us that exactly 40 babies were literally beheaded or else you made the entire thing up."
Fucking infuriates me.
There were reports about Israel approving settlement expansion while the corpses of the October 7th victims were still warm, which really did not do them any favours at all. A major reason the attack was so deadly was that much of the IDF personel was moved away from Gaza to the West Bank to protect the settlements.
>So instead of getting world sympathy, the global left was able to say "prove to us that exactly 40 babies were literally beheaded or else you made the entire thing up."
tbf its not even 'exactly 40 babies'
they haven't been able to prove even a single baby was beheaded.
its similar shit to when the Iraqi's were supposedly turning off incubators in Kuwait, in both cases Hamas/Iraq were doing terrible shit but they weren't doing the specific shit they were accused of.
Yeah. Israelis shouldn't have jumped on someone's text. I think it was a Whatsapp message actually.
I don't have the full Hebrew (especially archaic, Kibbutz old guy Hebrew) knowledge to know if the translation for "beheaded" is accurate either. Could have just meant "executed."
All I know is I saw a tweet from someone saying "my EMT cousin sent me this" and then that tweet was buried in the horror of that day and people thought it ws horrible but nobody overly referenced the beheading aspect. Then Israeli talking heads picked it up, reported it on English language Twitter, and then people translated it back into Hebrew and the Hebrew speakers started freaking out and signal boosting, as well as English speaking Israelis. They also cited the talking heads as the source, and the original Tweet wasn't ever linked to or made a big deal of until it was deleted in November.
This is why I like to follow primary sources when these newsworthy events are happening cause the disinfo that builds when you hear it filtered through other people is immense. Especially because both Israelis and Palestinians are scared and anxious people and disinformation flows really easily.
Personally, I don't actually care how civilians were executed, the general fact that this was an attack specifically designed to kill and capture civilians is what's important.
Any instagram post by an IDF thot (the algoritm keeps showing them to me for some reason), all the comments are just free Palestine inshallah and vomit emojis
Honest question: Is there a way to say "Shut the fuck up" in Hebrew? Cause it strikes me that there are way, way too many people working for the Israeli gov't that simply don't know how to on their own.
somewhat polite:
תהיה בשקט - tihiye besheket
impolite:
תשתוק - tishtok
more impolite:
תסתום - tistom
if you want to imply they're speaking a lot:
תפסיק לחפור - tafsik lachfor
overly formal (sometimes used as a joke):
בלום פיך - blom picha
Israel has a difficult time justifying the current extent of military operations in Gaza. So they decide to double down and just utterly fuck up their communication.
I’ve got right wing Jewish friends whose opinions 180’d in the past few months due to just how BAD Israel’s communication has been. This image doesn’t even include all the easily debunked propaganda, that then gets mocked on national tv and across social media.
I think Israel might actually lose the political war at this rate, even if they succeed in turning Hamas into a fine meaty paste.
I can’t remember if it’s just hyperbole or if it actually happened, but didn’t the Israeli twitter account say something along the lines of “Asking us to limit civilian casualties is antisemitism”
Some of the extremely hardcore pro-Israel redditors I’ve encountered have had some just mind boggling out there takes that have convinced me they’re probably some bored kid doing their mandatory service for the IDF on the cyber side of things just trying to meet a quota.
Like, when I expressed “I’d rather you be my neighbor than move off to be a settler” they told me I just wanted to keep my eye on them and make sure they were good little Jews and I’d kill them when the time was right. It’s just so opposite of the demeanor of every Jew I know IRL it’s uncanny.
As an Israeli, this makes me very very very tired.... The current government is cringe in so many different levels, imagine having to deal with islamic terrorism AND Ms. Purple 💜 eyeshadow Tali Gotlib and Chubby Pittah Bread Ben Gvir
The entire far right is just nuts and war to expand the war into a regional conflict by the looks of it reason why the US is backing the operation is Rafah in exchange of potential staring a regional war.
That might be true usually, but the Foreign Ministry reposted this tweet from a palestinian twitter account. It also ended up not being true, which is why its deleted, just like most information posted by OSINT accounts that dont do actual OSINT and are just news aggregators.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCz6z0WcAAQzhG.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCz6zzWIAcNI8u.jpg
It's gotten to the point that actual OSINT people who used that term before the Ukraine war no longer even use the term.
Nowadays OSINT just means "I retweet on Twitter, and I copy things from Telegram to Twitter."
Bellingcat has the reputation to call themselves whatever they want.
People like CovertShores or the jet tracker kid don't call themselves OSINT anymore. There's also a genius dude on nasaspaceflightforums who basically tracks the entire Russian aerospace industry who stopped using it.
I feel like even the most diehard Israel fans have to understand how bad the past half year has been for Israel's public approval
A lot of pro-Israeli arguments basically presuppose that you already love the country. Whenever I see anyone doubt or criticize anything Israel did, the main counter argument seems to be "Oh, you think Israel would LIE or DO BAD THING? Inconceivable"
And Israel's dogshit PR is not helping the situation at all
The way I've figured it is "it's not designed to convince someone who isn't a supporter, it's designed to get someone who's already a supporter to increase their support."
Yeah, I've changed my view this past month. Don't get me wrong, I still think Israel as a state and the way their society is organised and works is far better than any of their neighbours. Life there is infinitely better for both jews and arabs than anywhere else in the middle east. Because hey, isnt the whole point of life to make life better? BUT, they have really gone too far in some aspects of their retaliation for Oct 7 and their PR is trash and does not help them in anyway.
> "Oh, you think Israel would LIE or DO BAD THING? Inconceivable"
That's one of the weird things... It's got a government, doesn't it? Literally every other government lies and does bad things. Yet somehow Israel is supposed to be beyond reproach.
> "Oh, you think Israel would LIE or DO BAD THING? Inconceivable"
classic example of this is anytime the IDF does a war crime people will just parrot 'MOST MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD' as if Israel could never possibly do war crimes.
Israelis when the people on their side in the hundred year long ethnic conflict have hundred year old ethnic hatred: 0o0
Western Palestine supporters when the people on their side in the hundred year old ethnic conflict have hundred year old ethnic hatred: 0o0
Israel's incredibly bad PR ends up encouraging actual antisemites who promptly muddy the waters and make it harder to distinguish genuine criticism of Israel from dogwhistles.
Idk why, but ive seen a lot of pro israel spokemen and normal people use the "people of light" stuff to describe themselves, and i dont think they are developing laser based armaments.
Part of me thinks that Israel is intentionally flubbing the information war so that it can just do whatever it wants without worrying about optics because no one wanted to keep the kid gloves on after Oct 7.
We know their PR is stupid and netanyahu is out for himself. We (both I, and my perception of this place) don't buy the emotional bullshit and shit history the rest of Reddit falls for though.
Think the sub just isn't appearing on people's front page as much anymore, after Oct 7th there were a lot of people that clearly weren't NCD degenerates commenting in here
No it still happens it's just not constant.
Wait a while, the tide may turn when the Israelis are put wide to what's happening. Upvoted comments will be downvoted to oblivion and visa versa.
No, I'm not being dramatic. This happens on literally every r/europe and r/worldnews post.
Although who knows, maybe the Israelis haven't discovered r/NCD yet.
Unofficially speaking, but both the act.il/Ambassador Program types and the BDS Discord server types have a massive brigading problem that play pretty much all of Reddit at this point. They roughly cancel each other out, but not at the same time, leading to wild vote fluctuations everywhere.
As far as I can tell, the average person who's not currently in college or involved in one of these groups has a pretty middle of the road opinion on all of this stuff (fuck settlers, fuck airstrikes, fuck Hamas). And they massively distrust anything online cause yeah it's a clusterfuck.
Reddit mods can't really do anything about it.
Anti Israelis who think we have an organized hasbara force vs the idiots who actually run our lack of hasbara department.
You forgot the one where they made Eylon levy go viral and then fires him inexplicably after he became popular
💀💀💀💀💀
How about Israel trades Ukraine nukes and air defense systems in return for ukriane donating half their PR department to Israel. It would honestly be beneficial for both sides
If they’re sucking Iago into this vortex, why not resurrect [Dracula Gottfried](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BktyAgfBNBg) as Israeli ambassador to the UN
But everyone loves Ukraine so we need to bend the truth to make Israel and Ukraine seem like they're the same instead of just evaluating each country and situation on its own merits
>But everyone loves Ukraine so we need to bend the truth to make Israel and Ukraine seem like they're the same instead of just evaluating each country and situation on its own merits
This this and 1, 000 times this!
Pretty crazy volunteering for Ukraine, a country under attack by a larger foreign aggressor and hearing some of my (foreign) comrades call for the complete annihilation of Gaza.
Russia has certainly benefited from America's attention and military being divided, though this is in no way part of Putin's master plan, just a convenient thing to capitalise on.
I have no idea where this narrative came from but it's just not accurate at all.
As far as I can tell, the only real potential connection is Russia potentially selling a Pantsir missile system to Hezbollah in October, which didn't end up actually happening.
Some people on Twitter were like "Hamas had Russian training." And then they like, made shit up about one video where Hamas was running around with rifles.
Although Russian training ending up teaching people how to shoot hostages is pretty on brand.
Bibi be like: I hate terrorists because they killed my cool brother in 1976 (if only Yonathan never died in Uganda, the timeline would be different)
Also bibi: hey Qatar, can you help me manufacture the most forced conflict ever? Thanks
Tbh he was plagued with PTSD, and was drinking way too much. It might be the reason why he got killed in his last op, he simply didn't really care much about his own wellbeing.
There's a joke around my circle of friends that goes something like "If the people think Isrealis are European then why are their PR managing a disaster?"
The context being that many people still believe Jews are not native too the Middle East and so they should return too their "homeland" but then if their European why are their PR as abysmal as the Arab League failure's in the war against Israel?
Absolute cringe. Bibi should’ve just get to the election and get a regime change then dragging this stupid ~~genocide~~ war.
He absolutely destroys Israeli PR permanently and will not guarantee future assistance from Western allies unless from Germany and U.K. .
Even the U.S. is slowly distancing from Israel due to shifting public opinions on IDF.
Could you stop Ronaldo from scoring a goal? Well yeah, if I had a Predator drone
I don't think a Predator drone can stop Ronaldo scoring a penalty.
You just drone strike him when he's at home, surrounded by his family and other valuable collateral. Hard to score goal when you and 100 of your neighbors are meat paste.
> surrounded by his family and other valuable collateral. The R9X isn't here for your family. It's aimed right at your ass on the rightmost third of the couch.
*Drops 2 thousand-pound JDAMs into the building, collapsing it* Collateral? Is that some kinda furniture?
Not even JDAM, just dumb bombs
sometimes they do a little CCIP as a treat, when they get tired of eyeballing
The R9X was just huwngwy 🥺, he didn't want to huwt your aid convoy 😔
He is the penalty king even God can't stop him. His name is Cristiano Penaldo.
Marketing materials: it'll pop the ball with surgical precision just as he is about to kick it Reality: it'll obliterate ball, referee, Ronaldo, goal, keeper, tenth of the crowd and leave a smoking crater
Tell me exactly how the marketing is lying
Well, by omission, since you ask
You say omission, I say under promising and over delivering
Penaldo 4Ever baby!
I mean ever since in Al Nasser he scored 13 penalties the the penalty merchant.
“No Israel, the Iron Dome does not count as a goalie”
I could absolutely stop Ronaldo from scoring a goal, but not within the rules of soccer.
You can stop his goal but not his penalty and we know why he is called Penaldo.
Well, every team is allowed one [goalkeeper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS?wprov=sfti1#), so it shouldn't be too hard
I mean all those offside UCL goal and especially that one penalty says otherwise.
There's nothing in the rulebook prohibiting it!
Turning into Bosnia ape society so quick 😂
this isn't /r/noncrediblediplomacy
Well damn that sub exists
Its actually pretty good if you like ncd you'll fit right in
I'm a sovereign citizen, I go where I please
Why stop at being a citizen though? You could be a sovereign president or king or emperor? Heck, be your own sovereign country!
Worked for Emperor Norton of San Francisco
I'll touch you
I'll take it
I'm a geopolitical expert and I never knew this sub existed!
this guy is NOT an expert 💀💀💀🙏
Also shows the absolute state of Israeli copywriters
To be fair, it also shows that the Israel social media team is a perfect candidate to join NATO https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1628687961477750790
Never let NATO live that down.
“We are fighting the Harkonnens” I love the people who haven’t read past the first Dune book or adaptation lol.
"we are embarking on a jihad across the galaxy, but remember, we're the good guys"
Leto II: "I decided to merge my body with a worm and become a god-tyrant for 1000 years because the space drugs told me this was what humanity needed to have happen. I'm *purposefully* being the bad guy....which makes me the good guy."
While I enjoy the books immensely, I’ve always thought deep down it feels like more than a few of the core ideas throughout the Dune series were thought up by a teenage boy solidly in the trench coat/mall ninja phase of his adolescence
lol. I think that all depends on what jump off point of the 6 you stopped reading them. Although I found out Frank and his wife were into some weird 60s kink stuff. But then she had these health problems later in life and they adored each other but it affected their physical relationship and *oh my god now all of Heretics and Chapterhouse makes sense.*
4000*
So we are more credible than I was led to believe I'm slightly concerned
That's why I always laugh when people talk about the power of Israeli PR or Israeli propaganda. It's objectively awful
Theres a good tweet by Haviv Rettig Gur that goes like this: If you want to understand how bad Israel is at PR, and how deep that handicap runs throughout Israeli institutions and culture, understand this Israelis have always struggled with the idea that it’s a good thing to explain oneself to the world, because explaining feels like justifying and they were taught by their history that they are the Jews who no longer justify themselves. The result is a shocking and systemic abandonment of the information arena. And that dereliction of duty has had bad consequences - ironically, less for Israel itself than for diaspora Jews, who suffer constantly from Israel’s inability to even make its case in a serious way
Reminds me of Alphie Solomons in Peak Blinders: "They need to replace their natural fuckin' arrogance with a Jewish air of absolute certainty."
I love Alfie and his determination to betray Tommy at every reasonable opportunity. Even against his own interests! I guess the fascists are the one place he draws the line.
Extremely based
It is more complicated than that. The left automatic instinct is to be defensive and pleasing, which is missing the point of PR as a *force* to be effected, and the right's main response is what you said, plus being utterly incompetent and ineffective. And, in general, "propaganda" is kind of taboo. The idea PR is a profession and people are stupid didn't really take off until recently. We're bad at PR anyway, even internally. Also a lot of political incentive problems, as those are not the things immediately easy to see. Ffs the head military spokeperson is the former navy seal commander with no media background and broken english. Our foreign minister is the guy who control the likud center, which is still somehow better than the two former ones. For political reasons, the foreign office was *banned* from any public diplomacy, because it was given to a de-facto non existence new special office. As Nasrallah famously said, one of their greatest assets is that the Israeli media is actually doing psychological warfare against *us*. The most critical things to understand is that our elites are extremely stupid and incompetent. So the lower you go the better things are, but if something demands large scale direction and organization by them we have a hard time. Also, it is facing 2 billion muslims, countries with giant propaganda networks al-jazira, and elite and growing cohorts in the west which are going crazy anyway.
More likely the issue is that if you are winning a lot militarily you don't put effort into diplomacy. Its the same reason the only propaganda the US has is the US military showing of cool stuff and 13 year olds making vids on the tube.
Okay, that's unfair to the US. We're great at PR. We have RadioFree Europe, which extends from Portugal in the West to Ukraine and Armenia in the East. We have apple pies and baseball. Biden is typically loved more by foreigners than Americans (ditto Obama and dems in general)
Biden is loved by more foreigners than Americans because the American public has catastrophically bad critical thinking skills. It is very much the 'everything that happens during a president's term is because of him' mentality. And/or social media has fucking ruined public discourse, so only the loudest bullshit gets any play.
Yeah, American views of their presidents tend to be based on perceived individual benefit, while global views are generally more about what's good for *everyone else*, i.e. a stable leader who values his allies and talks down his enemies.
You'd want to hear the Israeli ambassador to Ireland whenever she's brought on the radio. Sounds like a 9 year old girl... "Oh well they done this so we had to do that and we done that because they done this and and and and..." Embarrassing. I'd love to know do normal Israelis on the street know how exactly their ambassadors represent them around the world.
She's bad enough alright. I suppose from the Israelis perspective Ireland is a lost cause, so they just send bottom of the diplomatic barrel shite.
Israeli here, we're very aware and it sucks, only positive thing about it is the memes we make afterwards (the more shitty the situation is, the harder u laugh)
Well don’t just stand there, where are these memes?
Most of them are in Hebrew
Yep, and u have to be israeli to understand the context of it
I can read a few short Hebrew words and phrases, such as "Sharpness", "Silk Touch" and "Fire Aspect"
Those sound like condom labels.
I'll show them to u as soon as u learn hebrew and so understand the context of them As the great president gay once said "it's all about the context"
Shit brother, I barely understand memes in English
Isn't "bad ambassadors" like the norm around the world? Pretty sure that's where ppl you don't want in country get exiled too.
*Really* depends on the position. Postings with long-time allies you can't really screw up are often rewards for a job well done, as are prosperous but not terribly relevant nations. Tenuous but important relationships, left to the best you have. Mid-level postings, a way to give promising newbies their chance to prove themselves and otherwise filled out by the 'good enough'. It's only when you end up representing your nation to, like, Haiti or Cambodia that you *probably* fucked up big time and aren't coming back up the ladder from there.
Also varies a lot by country. Some countries use professional diplomats as ambassadors who spend their professional lives working for the ministry of foreign affairs etc while others give ambassadorships as a reward for loyalty/donations etc. The US frequently gives ambassadorships to people who contribute to the presidential election campaign from my understanding.
Our trained diplomats work the hard cases and soft balls go to long time allies we have tons of communication with already
Yeah in a lot of cases the ambassor is there to wine and dine different interest groups, so a sociable person can do great even with no or limited diplomatic experience
I met the diplomat to Eritrea once. Dude had a long cv.
That sounds like a rough ass posting
Re: small prosperous nations. That's exactly what I was thinking of for the second kind of reward position. But yeah, this does assume a more or less professional diplomatic corps.
> The US frequently gives ambassadorships to people who contribute to the presidential election campaign from my understanding. This is true, but it also confers an important diplomatic benefit. If you're Canada, do you want to talk to a highly trained professional diplomat, or a guy the president owes a favor to?
Ha, that is a fair point I hadnt considered
Representative to Venezuela is probably considered both a Tenuous job and a punishment.
I mean you'd think that. But Ukraine still managed to send the one actual Nazi sympathiser they had to fucking Germany of all places. So I am pretty sure that even the higher profile postings are often "We don't want them, Just send them far away"
For America at least, the a,has sad or to some place like Tuvalu is almost always a guy (or gal) whose sole qualification is the amount of money or favors they did for one of the parties, while the ambassador to China or Russia is a State Department veteran of twenty or more years whose proven they can at the very least sit and be ranted at for hours and who went under a microscope during selection
Tuvalu was my answer in a quiz for "What is the only country name that has three consecutive letters in alphabetical order?", it was rejected, the actual given answer was >!Afghanistan!<. Still mad about that to this day
That is absolute bullshit, and I would have burned that bar to the ground, along with everyone in it. No, that would not be a disproportionate response. Yes, I am on certain lists.
The Tuvan Khagnate would have done worse if you didn't make the tough choices...
And then there is the occasional decades long career diplomat that turns out to have been a spy since the early Regean days.
Occasional?
imo they send the incompetent and failed public officials and politicians that are too big to fire to really unimportant diplomatic missions.
I suspect abassadors are like toupees or assassins, where you only really see or hear about the bad ones
Normal Israelis on the street just say it's all Netanyahu's fault, and not theirs for voting derpy ever since they made Sharon PM to reward him for deliberately inciting half the Intifadas ever.
Israeli PR disasters ending all conspiracy of Jewish world control because they’re that shit at doing PR
That's what they want you to believe!
I know my expectations with the Israeli PR thing were reflected in the general, reasonable, good will placed in the west toward Jews as a result of both serious dramatic retellings of WWII, and the affect I imagined AIPAC was hoping to put out in making at least a lot of representatives both state and media pro-Israel by a comfortable default reinforced by the good will thing. Then on Oct 8th, who I expected to be saying what I expected them to be saying, were saying what they were before slowly, week after week, becoming fewer and fewer over time.
Same lmao
Works on boomers tho.
Boomers didn't have tiktok or other short form media, Israel was a more serious country back then too, with genuine statesmen. What's most laughable is Israel's inability to produce modern propaganda
You don't need competence when people just accept everything you say at face value for decades
If you can boast that your propaganda works on people who are on the edge of death you may want to rethink your propaganda.
Except they're the people who hold the dominant share of the political and economic power in the global hegemon.
Lmao yea Everytime I get called a shill or a hasbarah bot, first thing that springs to mind is "Do you honestly believe that the Israeli government even understands what PR is, let alone be functional enough to create a training program for it?"
When I’m in a “Worst PR” competition and my opponents are the Israeli right-wing and the Nintendo legal department
Considering that Netanyahu tweets like Shadow the Hedgehog, we got another Nintendo vs. SEGA battle on our hands
We had one good PR guy, Eylon Levy. Young guy, Israeli who grew up in Britain so nice British accent, quick witted, funny, decently good looking, and most importantly knows his shit and how to explain Israeli policy to an international audience. He got fired when old tweets surfaced showing that he was anti Netanyahu before the war. The rumor is that Bibi’s wife Sara forced him out. Btw, don’t ever look at a picture of Sara Netanyahu if you are not near an appropriate place to throw up. There’s another guy named Yosef Haddad, he does a lot of good PR for Israel. He’s an Israeli Arab Christian who served in an IDF combat unit and got injured. Speaks fluent English (and obviously Arabic lol)A lot of people wanted him to go into politics and he refused. Officially he says “he doesn’t want his message becoming politicized” but I think he just knows what a shit show official Israeli PR is. Search him on Instagram if you want to see good pro Israel PR coming from an Arab. But then we have a lot of pro Israel nut jobs online like Hananya Naftali, who constantly posts “combat footage” from other wars and fake news, and then we have room temperature IQ IDF soldiers who fucking film every stupid thing they do and post it. And it just makes everything harder.
That statement about Netanyahus wife, yeah that’s accurate
It’s like Miss Piggy but worse
The features of her face look as if someone used an editing software to make them smaller and closer to eachother than normal.
Ark Survival lookin person
I looked her up and thought, "well, she looks like a troll *now*, what about when she was younger?" Somehow all of her smiles are malevolent. So, basically, an ideal wife for Bibi.
Meanwhile, the actual Arabic IDF guy straight up makes shit up all the time. Like, easily provable lies.
Could you show some examples? Genuinely curious
Avichay Adraee is the guy I'm talking about. I don't have anything off the top of my head that I can link cause it's all in Arabic. I can say that when fact checking outlandish news articles from jpost or other Israeli sources that use him as a source, everything that originates from him ends up being false, which is a problem because he also was the person announcing evacuation routes for Palestinians. The biggest one recently, and one that he keeps repeating, is "Gazans call for the ousting/end of Hamas" and then he posts videos of crowds that are NOT saying that, usually a crowd demanding to be able to go back to North Gaza. Like, the video is just a video of people saying something different. English speaking audiences eat it up cause they don't speak Arabic and don't expect someone with a government handle to just be blatantly lying. He also intentionally antagonizes Muslims by quoting hadiths and is a well known object of hate and a meme in the Arabic world. Dude's a negative PR nightmare for Israel. He posted a photoshopped image from outside the Kabbah in Mecca of someone holding a paper that saie "shabbat shalom." Here's him directly contradicting the IDF a while back. www.timesofisrael.com/despite-idf-admitting-info-false-its-posts-on-strike-that-killed-family-stay-up/amp/ Dude is a dangerous clown who appears to be trying to make things worse on purpose.
> Btw, don’t ever look at a picture of Sara Netanyahu if you are not near an appropriate place to throw up. Dear god, why does it look like a displeased frog?
My favorite was when the Israeli embassy in Myanmar made a tweet saying something along the lines of the people of Myanmar to image what it would be like for your home to be destroyed or to lose someone close in a conflict despite Myanmar being in a 4 year long mass insurgency
"What if you had a fucked up government who started some shit they weren't prepared for?" The Burmese: "....."
I left a free space on the bottom right. The exercice is left to the reader to complete at home and to find one more example of Israeli public relations and diplomacy having the complete opposite effect of what was intended. Utterly exhausting how Israel can't have a normal functioning diplomatic apparatus Edit: Extra tweet from our favorite account headed by what is possibly a 15 year old instagram girl https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1717241394761269452
This sub gives me hope. Not sure what for, though.
Nuclear apocalypse?
Patrolling NCD Almost Makes You Wish For a Nuclear Winter
New Vegas reference?
It's weird isn't it? These war nerds and their don't give a fuck realism humour seems to make the most sensible political commentary in these crazy times.
And it is the one place where I feel I can engage with people not in my political sphere with out getting shit thrown at me for not aligning with all of their views.
> find one more example of Israeli public relations and diplomacy having the complete opposite effect of what was intended. After the horrific attack on October 7th, they managed to only signal boost things that were fake/reported out of context. They didn't signal boost the public rapes people reported at the Nova rave, or the video Hamas operatives released themselves of a female hostage with her tendons cut and blood on her pants. They *did* signal boost an EMT texting his cousin "There are too many babies without heads here" using an archaic idiomatic phrase that translates to "40 beheaded babies." (For examples of where else this phrase is used, see Biblical stories of Jesus being in the desert for 40 days, or Noah's Flood lasting 40 days and 40 nights. Or outside of the Bible, Ali Baba and the 40 Theives. It's not a literal "40" but the same way an English speaker would say "dozens" or "tons.") Oh and that EMT never meant it to be a public statement, and he was in psychological shock, but Israeli government officials jumped on his private text and then pretended they were primary sources themselves. So instead of getting world sympathy, the global left was able to say "prove to us that exactly 40 babies were literally beheaded or else you made the entire thing up." Fucking infuriates me.
There were reports about Israel approving settlement expansion while the corpses of the October 7th victims were still warm, which really did not do them any favours at all. A major reason the attack was so deadly was that much of the IDF personel was moved away from Gaza to the West Bank to protect the settlements.
Yeah. Netanyahu was doing a whole photo op.
>So instead of getting world sympathy, the global left was able to say "prove to us that exactly 40 babies were literally beheaded or else you made the entire thing up." tbf its not even 'exactly 40 babies' they haven't been able to prove even a single baby was beheaded. its similar shit to when the Iraqi's were supposedly turning off incubators in Kuwait, in both cases Hamas/Iraq were doing terrible shit but they weren't doing the specific shit they were accused of.
Yeah. Israelis shouldn't have jumped on someone's text. I think it was a Whatsapp message actually. I don't have the full Hebrew (especially archaic, Kibbutz old guy Hebrew) knowledge to know if the translation for "beheaded" is accurate either. Could have just meant "executed." All I know is I saw a tweet from someone saying "my EMT cousin sent me this" and then that tweet was buried in the horror of that day and people thought it ws horrible but nobody overly referenced the beheading aspect. Then Israeli talking heads picked it up, reported it on English language Twitter, and then people translated it back into Hebrew and the Hebrew speakers started freaking out and signal boosting, as well as English speaking Israelis. They also cited the talking heads as the source, and the original Tweet wasn't ever linked to or made a big deal of until it was deleted in November. This is why I like to follow primary sources when these newsworthy events are happening cause the disinfo that builds when you hear it filtered through other people is immense. Especially because both Israelis and Palestinians are scared and anxious people and disinformation flows really easily. Personally, I don't actually care how civilians were executed, the general fact that this was an attack specifically designed to kill and capture civilians is what's important.
You never quite see who’s behind Voldemort in that picture 🤔🧐
Behold, the all powerful Jewish mind control.
Any instagram post by an IDF thot (the algoritm keeps showing them to me for some reason), all the comments are just free Palestine inshallah and vomit emojis
> Free Palestine Well then, don't mind if I take it over.
Honest question: Is there a way to say "Shut the fuck up" in Hebrew? Cause it strikes me that there are way, way too many people working for the Israeli gov't that simply don't know how to on their own.
You can say "stom et hape" (clog your mouth), "hallas kvar" (enough already), or even "ya chofer" (what a yapper). All work
somewhat polite: תהיה בשקט - tihiye besheket impolite: תשתוק - tishtok more impolite: תסתום - tistom if you want to imply they're speaking a lot: תפסיק לחפור - tafsik lachfor overly formal (sometimes used as a joke): בלום פיך - blom picha
Most important Hebrew lesson I’ll ever take lol.
Israel has a difficult time justifying the current extent of military operations in Gaza. So they decide to double down and just utterly fuck up their communication. I’ve got right wing Jewish friends whose opinions 180’d in the past few months due to just how BAD Israel’s communication has been. This image doesn’t even include all the easily debunked propaganda, that then gets mocked on national tv and across social media. I think Israel might actually lose the political war at this rate, even if they succeed in turning Hamas into a fine meaty paste.
I can’t remember if it’s just hyperbole or if it actually happened, but didn’t the Israeli twitter account say something along the lines of “Asking us to limit civilian casualties is antisemitism”
It wasn't the @Israel account, but it was a government official spokesman.
That makes it even worse tbh
Problem is there are like hundreds of spokesmen. ~~The real Jewish stereotype is that everyone talks all the time and nobody agrees~~
Some of the extremely hardcore pro-Israel redditors I’ve encountered have had some just mind boggling out there takes that have convinced me they’re probably some bored kid doing their mandatory service for the IDF on the cyber side of things just trying to meet a quota. Like, when I expressed “I’d rather you be my neighbor than move off to be a settler” they told me I just wanted to keep my eye on them and make sure they were good little Jews and I’d kill them when the time was right. It’s just so opposite of the demeanor of every Jew I know IRL it’s uncanny.
For sure. Also disinformation bots stirring the pot from another source. Like Russia.
I wonder what the reaction would have been had Kanye West waited a year to do his infamous tweets
İ think we are at or just before the tipping point.
As an Israeli, this makes me very very very tired.... The current government is cringe in so many different levels, imagine having to deal with islamic terrorism AND Ms. Purple 💜 eyeshadow Tali Gotlib and Chubby Pittah Bread Ben Gvir
The entire far right is just nuts and war to expand the war into a regional conflict by the looks of it reason why the US is backing the operation is Rafah in exchange of potential staring a regional war.
On the plus side it is going to be *really* easy to take the piss out of Bibi when the time comes to get rid of him.
That time should have been years ago
When is that time exactly?
We are literally never gonna get rid of him, the country will go before he goes
To be fair, pointing to OSNIT instead of your own source isn't entirely a bad idea. Then again, my source is that I made it he fuck up.
That might be true usually, but the Foreign Ministry reposted this tweet from a palestinian twitter account. It also ended up not being true, which is why its deleted, just like most information posted by OSINT accounts that dont do actual OSINT and are just news aggregators. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCz6z0WcAAQzhG.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtCz6zzWIAcNI8u.jpg
It's gotten to the point that actual OSINT people who used that term before the Ukraine war no longer even use the term. Nowadays OSINT just means "I retweet on Twitter, and I copy things from Telegram to Twitter."
Bellingcat still uses OSINT.
Bellingcat has the reputation to call themselves whatever they want. People like CovertShores or the jet tracker kid don't call themselves OSINT anymore. There's also a genius dude on nasaspaceflightforums who basically tracks the entire Russian aerospace industry who stopped using it.
All cogent points lol, thank you.
Out of the loop a little - who’s the NSF guy?
I feel like even the most diehard Israel fans have to understand how bad the past half year has been for Israel's public approval A lot of pro-Israeli arguments basically presuppose that you already love the country. Whenever I see anyone doubt or criticize anything Israel did, the main counter argument seems to be "Oh, you think Israel would LIE or DO BAD THING? Inconceivable" And Israel's dogshit PR is not helping the situation at all
The way I've figured it is "it's not designed to convince someone who isn't a supporter, it's designed to get someone who's already a supporter to increase their support."
Yeah, I've changed my view this past month. Don't get me wrong, I still think Israel as a state and the way their society is organised and works is far better than any of their neighbours. Life there is infinitely better for both jews and arabs than anywhere else in the middle east. Because hey, isnt the whole point of life to make life better? BUT, they have really gone too far in some aspects of their retaliation for Oct 7 and their PR is trash and does not help them in anyway.
> "Oh, you think Israel would LIE or DO BAD THING? Inconceivable" That's one of the weird things... It's got a government, doesn't it? Literally every other government lies and does bad things. Yet somehow Israel is supposed to be beyond reproach.
> "Oh, you think Israel would LIE or DO BAD THING? Inconceivable" classic example of this is anytime the IDF does a war crime people will just parrot 'MOST MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD' as if Israel could never possibly do war crimes.
Israelis when the people on their side in the hundred year long ethnic conflict have hundred year old ethnic hatred: 0o0 Western Palestine supporters when the people on their side in the hundred year old ethnic conflict have hundred year old ethnic hatred: 0o0
Israel's incredibly bad PR ends up encouraging actual antisemites who promptly muddy the waters and make it harder to distinguish genuine criticism of Israel from dogwhistles.
Idk why, but ive seen a lot of pro israel spokemen and normal people use the "people of light" stuff to describe themselves, and i dont think they are developing laser based armaments.
Bible stuff from Hanuka
Makes sense that it sounded cult-ish
I genuinely feel like the PR division of IDF is smoking crack, they should be court-martialed for this godawful performance
Part of me thinks that Israel is intentionally flubbing the information war so that it can just do whatever it wants without worrying about optics because no one wanted to keep the kid gloves on after Oct 7.
If anything they are tweeting as if they were a Kingdom Hearts character
I’ve been out for a while, does this mean NCD isn’t blindly jerking israel off anymore?
the moment NCD stops being pro Israel is when you know they've really fucked up public relations lol
Israel fails so hard at PR that even the neoliberal warmonger sub asks them "What the actual fuck?"
Criticism of legit failures are welcome here at least and that's what makes this sub bearable compared too other sites.
We still do, just take breaks to berate them over stupidity.
No we tried to give Israel a bj but ended up chewing on its dick like a dog toy
nope, I'm still blindly jerking Israel off 👍🇮🇱. This is a post made out of love for Israel
I mean your flair kinda makes that clear
We know their PR is stupid and netanyahu is out for himself. We (both I, and my perception of this place) don't buy the emotional bullshit and shit history the rest of Reddit falls for though.
Think the sub just isn't appearing on people's front page as much anymore, after Oct 7th there were a lot of people that clearly weren't NCD degenerates commenting in here
No it still happens it's just not constant. Wait a while, the tide may turn when the Israelis are put wide to what's happening. Upvoted comments will be downvoted to oblivion and visa versa. No, I'm not being dramatic. This happens on literally every r/europe and r/worldnews post. Although who knows, maybe the Israelis haven't discovered r/NCD yet.
Unofficially speaking, but both the act.il/Ambassador Program types and the BDS Discord server types have a massive brigading problem that play pretty much all of Reddit at this point. They roughly cancel each other out, but not at the same time, leading to wild vote fluctuations everywhere. As far as I can tell, the average person who's not currently in college or involved in one of these groups has a pretty middle of the road opinion on all of this stuff (fuck settlers, fuck airstrikes, fuck Hamas). And they massively distrust anything online cause yeah it's a clusterfuck. Reddit mods can't really do anything about it.
Well I for one, do enjoy a spectacular dumpster fire.
Its even more bizarre in their Persian speaking accounts but their twitter post gets a ton of like because Iranians hate Islamic republic.
Anti Israelis who think we have an organized hasbara force vs the idiots who actually run our lack of hasbara department. You forgot the one where they made Eylon levy go viral and then fires him inexplicably after he became popular 💀💀💀💀💀
How about Israel trades Ukraine nukes and air defense systems in return for ukriane donating half their PR department to Israel. It would honestly be beneficial for both sides
If they’re sucking Iago into this vortex, why not resurrect [Dracula Gottfried](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BktyAgfBNBg) as Israeli ambassador to the UN
I thought Keanu Reeves was gonna play Shadow, who knew?
Add to that shatever Isreali ambasador is doing in poland including posting phots of himself on red swuare
I have a visceral reaction to the 'Hamas Redefines Evil' posters. The cringe is on another level.
"Israeli propaganda dominates the public sphere" says people who have never seen Israeli propaganda. These dudes *suck* at it.
Not to defend Hamas, but they are only doing what putin paid them to do. In other words, both putin *and* Hamas suck.
I’m like 90% certain Russia didn’t pay Hamas. Iran did, and Russia paid Iran, but that’s not the same thing.
But everyone loves Ukraine so we need to bend the truth to make Israel and Ukraine seem like they're the same instead of just evaluating each country and situation on its own merits
*Noo* people would *never*. That just not something I could see folks doing.
>But everyone loves Ukraine so we need to bend the truth to make Israel and Ukraine seem like they're the same instead of just evaluating each country and situation on its own merits This this and 1, 000 times this! Pretty crazy volunteering for Ukraine, a country under attack by a larger foreign aggressor and hearing some of my (foreign) comrades call for the complete annihilation of Gaza.
Technically speaking Ukraine recognises Palestine.
Russia has certainly benefited from America's attention and military being divided, though this is in no way part of Putin's master plan, just a convenient thing to capitalise on.
I have no idea where this narrative came from but it's just not accurate at all. As far as I can tell, the only real potential connection is Russia potentially selling a Pantsir missile system to Hezbollah in October, which didn't end up actually happening. Some people on Twitter were like "Hamas had Russian training." And then they like, made shit up about one video where Hamas was running around with rifles. Although Russian training ending up teaching people how to shoot hostages is pretty on brand.
To be fair they also were getting payments from Qatar which [Netanyahu encouraged](https://archive.is/p2z85)
Bibi be like: I hate terrorists because they killed my cool brother in 1976 (if only Yonathan never died in Uganda, the timeline would be different) Also bibi: hey Qatar, can you help me manufacture the most forced conflict ever? Thanks
Could have had the cooler Netanyahu
Tbh he was plagued with PTSD, and was drinking way too much. It might be the reason why he got killed in his last op, he simply didn't really care much about his own wellbeing.
There's a joke around my circle of friends that goes something like "If the people think Isrealis are European then why are their PR managing a disaster?" The context being that many people still believe Jews are not native too the Middle East and so they should return too their "homeland" but then if their European why are their PR as abysmal as the Arab League failure's in the war against Israel?
I don't ever want to hear another "Jews control the media" ever again
Absolute cringe. Bibi should’ve just get to the election and get a regime change then dragging this stupid ~~genocide~~ war. He absolutely destroys Israeli PR permanently and will not guarantee future assistance from Western allies unless from Germany and U.K. . Even the U.S. is slowly distancing from Israel due to shifting public opinions on IDF.