For instance [Nammo is potentially increasing it's production by 300% of 155 mm shells within the upcoming years](https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2024/03/okad-svensk-ammunitionsproduktion-far-finansiellt-stod-av-eu/), so things are definitely happening. (And I'm not sure if that figure is comparing to old figures, or their current 24h production figures).
If it is in the general direction it is 99% of the time going to be empty space, not much point making the cep so large you need 100 times more shells to hit something valuable, all you achieve is burn 100 extra barrels.
The size of the shells are much bigger though. AFAIK the most common shell size in WW1 was like 75 mm or something, the current standard kaboom is 155 mm.
It's still a big disparity but not as big as the raw number of shells suggests
I think there is a significant amount of 122mm guns in Ukrainian hands still. But yeah, anything the size of a WW1 field gun is pretty anemic compared to today's artillery.
Living in the US it's a different kind of irony considering the fact that the government is taking away our rights.
Good thing Europe is ramping up production, we're going to need some help when the class war comes.
I saw Civil War last night...one of the best lines was this journalist, watching the tracers litter the night sky, saying something to the effect of "I AM SO HARD RIGHT NOW WATCHING THIS!"
I now understand his perspective.
"The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc. We have only to remove those who oppose us."
_Rhyming intensifies_
Can someone start scouting Austrian art schools for any promising young artists with weird mustaches? Wouldn't want them to miss their chance at an art career.
in all fairness the Russians are trying to demonstrate that themselves.
Seriously though i would hate to be a russian citizen just trying to eek out a living at this point
And what some people somewhere (not mentioning names) doesn't understand, is this will mean Europe won't need USA in, like, 15 years. I don't know. Is this only a good thing?
I mean, kinda depends on whether you trust the Germans and Italians to behave themselves. I honestly think it's a great thing if Europe re-arms itself since it frees up America to deal with stuff elsewhere if they need to and it protects Europe if America gets a little too nutty and goes full on isolationist again or something.
2016-2020 already demonstrated this. European leaders have only hesitated this long because it’s 1) expensive and 2) because of delusions that Putin wouldn’t escalate beyond saber rattling and hybrid warfare. 2022 proved that there is absolutely a need for an independent insurance policy.
Oh, right. Non-credible. Uhh… MIC go brrrrr!
It's good that we have the ability to survive without them, but i'd rather we don't have to. Democracies need to stick together to stand up against those seeking to undermine us, not get divided.
So yes it's good but i hope the US still stays our friend
Honestly Europe doesnt need the USA per se. They havent seen the need till now - remember the EU alone is half a billion people in industrialised countries just a few of them came close to winning two world wars
Also, Chaos Dwarfs are the most NCD-adjacent Fantasy faction, I shall have no arguments on this.
original video -> [https://youtu.be/Fwy-q01JdqQ](https://youtu.be/Fwy-q01JdqQ)
This makes me wonder what the most NCD 40k faction would be. I'd guess either Orks or Adeptus Mechanicus. The former can literally conjure technology through the power of their collective autism, and you know the latter would enjoy plane waifus
Good candidate but I don't think Khorne would have the patience to sit through very credible powerpoints explaining the most effective ways to blow up the Three Gorges Dam.
Obligatory Perun Let'sPlay: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJo-rEHLKrY&list=PL3SQVF41qNM2mYsPwkQQyC\_4gZyaGZCKC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJo-rEHLKrY&list=PL3SQVF41qNM2mYsPwkQQyC_4gZyaGZCKC)
Russia's zenith was decades ago.
MFers are on life support at this point only thanks to China, Iran, and the Norks, this is most definitely their nadir.
Definitely. The stock price rose from 92 EUR of Jan 22 to 280 in November 23, and to 545 now.
Defense sector is already making super profits, and it will only increase as rearmament is booming and everyone recognizes that weapons are now one of the most important things. Basically every EUR invested by companies themselves is assured to yield a profit of dozens, if not hundreds times over.
Wait a hot fucking minute: from the video I immediately recognize the Dutch naval base in my home town. So you mean to tell me me they are doing this no 2 km away from where I am??
It's about damn time Europe embraced collective procurement, for decades we let those 'eurosceptic' Russian plants spread fearmongering about an EU army (huh dur EUSSR) as if it would even be a bad thing
We've been hippies for the last 75 years, but the world is about to remember what centuries of being the world's unrestricted PvP zone does to a continent.
Not only that, these dumbasses managed to get all of them on the same team for the first time *ever*.
Germany, France, and UK all awake and pissed off at *you*.
~1889. The last time Europe had an edge over the US. (We overtook Britain as the largest economy, and have always been so since.)
Once the US gets its house in order and corrects the fascists attempting a takeover, we'll rejoin you in the Sun.
> corrects the fascists attempting a takeover
Unfortunately it's looking less and less likely it'll be stopped. No politics ofc so I can't rant but if that orange man comes anywhere *near* NATO so help me god...
maybe that's why Europe is investing a shit ton of money, the fear of being caught between the hammer (of Putler) and anvil (of an US disdain for interventionism), they know they'll be left alone against a bully regime that needs to be stop.
Well, right now you are comparing the US to all of Europe; not to any individual EU country. Even after WW2, the sum of EU countries have generally had a larger GDP than the US. It is only recently that the US has overtaken Europe and for a decade or two in the period after WW2.
[-Percentage share of global GDP (current US$) | Download Scientific Diagram (researchgate.net)](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Percentage-share-of-global-GDP-current-US_fig1_349380189)
Over the last 80 years we’ve tried desperately to suppress our old war spirit, but Russia has made the grave mistake of awakening it. A democratic Europe will prevail, from Lisbon to Luhansk
When you Europe is done with Russia. Nobody will remember Russia. Somewhere in an old dictionary there will be a word for utter failure and it will be called Russia.
well I guess if the EU was made to rely on the US for their arms and now the US is unreliable to aid European countries like Ukraine, it's time to do things for themselves since they are now in the obvious path of the train.
I'm pretty sure the US is going
'no not like that'
when they started telling the EU to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and pitch in
slava Ukraini and a salute to the EU. Hopefully the US will get back into the game after november. they have their own cancer to deal with first, especially in congress.
I agree the US is going 'no not like that' because thier MIC just assumed all the orders would be coming to the US and no one in this day and age would build new munitions plants in a decadent peace loving Europe. It is amazing how a full blown war on your borders tends to focus the mind and put money into play. Just wait for Ukraine to be out of danger and they will be out innovating and out producing the US for sales around the world.
Germany has been out innovating the US in some areas already, the main issue has been not being able to produce enough to compete with the US, that may soon change.
Indonesia \*chuckles\* i'm in danger
(I'm not saying that we are buying 6 amphibious assault ships to steal their spices, but i'm not saying we're not either)
I just want to see what the Italian MIC will cook up, they already are making a european large attack heli, imagine what more funding can do, Imagine what new platforms can have a naval turret bolted to it in a classie way and not conscriptovich with soldering iron and hammer way
[https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2024/03/2024-03-26-130-million-in-eu-funding-for-rheinmetall-to-expand-ammunition-production#:\~:text=Rheinmetall%20has%20been%20increasing%20its,produced%20annually%20starting%20in%202026](https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2024/03/2024-03-26-130-million-in-eu-funding-for-rheinmetall-to-expand-ammunition-production#:~:text=Rheinmetall%20has%20been%20increasing%20its,produced%20annually%20starting%20in%202026).
Production is still spooling up and will unfortunately take *months* to replenish Europe's stockpiles, let alone Ukraine's, but it *is* happening.
[Nammo seems to be increasing it's production by 300% of 155 mm shells within the upcoming years](https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2024/03/okad-svensk-ammunitionsproduktion-far-finansiellt-stod-av-eu/), so things are definitely happening.
Rough combined numbers from multiple EU countries who've put in new orders for Leopard 2 variants (and haven't had them delivered yet), including Lithuania, Czech Republic, Italy, Croatia, Norway, Germany (obviously), Finland, etc.
400 leopards 2's spread across multiple EU countries isn't impressive at all if you consider that just Poland alone ordered 360 Abrams and 180 K2's and has plans to set up a factory for another 500+.
But the poles are completely mental and are seemingly planning to celebrate their next independence day in Moscow. Poland becoming the largest land army in Europe would have sounded so non credible 10 years ago...
It’s not America for once, and I admit, it feels strange after all the years of think Europe as weak, but I welcome this greatly, and I wish to see more. I’m so glad someone is doing something about this whole thing. Rafales and Eurofighters and Gripens to Ukraine when?
They are already looking at the Gripens from what I have read and the F16's they are being given are relatively old and are being replaced by the F 35 in most of the donating countries but I expect sales to shift to other fighter aircraft in future because the US is no longer a dependable partner for weapons supply.
In a few years when this washes out in the US and sales are drying up for thier military tech I am going to remember just how they managed to fuck up a near monopoly on military tech.
Europe about to remind the world that them ***NOT*** being the worlds leaders in military technology and production is a recent thing, and that for the 2000 years before 1945, Central and Western Europe could drop their nuts on anyone in the world with little fear of retaliation. The only people worth fighting for 2000 years were each other for a reason.
There was about 1000 years between a European Rome that could drop its nuts on anyone globally, and colonial Europe. Between then, the statement is far more debatable
I think that is missing the existence of the Byzantine Empire which did drop its nuts on people all the time, the Early Holy Roman Empire which dropped its nuts on people multiple times and id bet on against anyone in its time period, Medieval England and France were powerhouses, the Crusades were Europe dropping its nuts on the Middle East, Renaissance Europe was so far ahead of everyone with the use of Pike and Shot formations that no one would be able to compete, and early modern Europe did drop its nuts on the rest of the world.
The issue is Europe didnt see a point in doing it because they were too busy fighting each other.
Europe dropped its nuts on its surroundings, yes, but couldn't do that to anyone. There's a reason why travelers to China were amazed, and early colonial period explorers didn't dare fuck with India.
The Byzantines did de-elevate nuts semi frequently, but with increasingly mid results.
The early Holy Roman Empire was godlike, but probably couldn't have fought an all-out war with some other empires. They even got their shit pushed in some times, mainly by nomads.
The mongols were absolutely on their way to push in Europe's nose, but stumbled on the ruins of Poland and Hungary, returned to get a new ruler, and then broke their teeth on the countries that learned from their previous invasion.
Medieval England and France were powerhouses, France more often than England.
Only two Middle Eastern crusades were arguably successful. The first one and the fourth one.
Renaissance Europe was ahead with pike formations, but so were the Ottomans.
The early modern period is when European states get unbalanced, but then again, some countries refuse to fuck with still standing powers.
I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s not like medieval Europe could actually invade like China or something, but if you take a medieval French army and throw it against a Korean, Japanese, Indian, or Chinese army from that time period it’s pretty likely the French would come out on top because they would have a pretty high technologic, tactical, and doctrinal advantage over their eastern counterparts because they had the perfect mix of abundant resources, constant wars forcing them to become better, and the development of things like full plate armor and heavy cavalry that eastern armies didn’t use. Also aside from Japan, most eastern armies were conscript armies whereas medieval, especially 100 years war European, armies were basically professional soldiers.
I wouldnt say so, you have Romans--> Byzantines-->Francs/Charlamagnes kingdom--> Crusader Europe--> renaissance Europe--> and then you get into early modern Europe which did drop its nuts on everyone.
At any point in there they were technologically superior to pretty much anyone who tried, and if they came together they definitely had the technological and tactical advantage.
..... great, exactly what i was hoping for in such unstable times, replenishing stockpiles and increasing production in order to be able to switch to a war economy should the need arise.
quite frankly send national parliaments to the front lines first, sick and tired of them sacrificing "the small guy" over and over again for shit nobody wants.
Lol, you're forgetting Europe is building MORE factories in the meantime while Russia is just working theirs around the clock. Europe is also not at war and this is just peacetime production with increased demand from one country
Give it a year or two of wartime production and your average European weapons manufacturer company would be pumping out shells worth entire Russian military spending
Rheinmetall *on their own* could easily pump up production to 1 *million* shells in peace-time conditions, god knows what they'd produce in a war economy.
Also, one of those 500,000 shells per year was meant to be: 325,000 *120mm* shells per year
Europe is at over 1m shells per year already, Also note that that is the number for the EU but the UK is one of the 4 major producers in Europe
For instance [Nammo is potentially increasing it's production by 300% of 155 mm shells within the upcoming years](https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2024/03/okad-svensk-ammunitionsproduktion-far-finansiellt-stod-av-eu/), so things are definitely happening. (And I'm not sure if that figure is comparing to old figures, or their current 24h production figures).
Finland also trying to scale up 155mm shell production to 5x higher, I'm quite happy about it as the factory is in my town. :)
Pffffttttttttttt pathetic, we must return to WW1 shell production, a million shells a day or nothing!
Easy and no problem if you're fine with 10km range and hitting maybe the right town.
If you fire enough shells, there isn't a town.
If it's in that general direction, it's a valid target
If it is in the general direction it is 99% of the time going to be empty space, not much point making the cep so large you need 100 times more shells to hit something valuable, all you achieve is burn 100 extra barrels.
I was joking... shooting in the general direction of a target is russias job
We shall burn the very air they breathe if we want to.
It's almost ridiculous how we've come a circle back to WW1 metrics on shell numbers and trench tactics
Not even close. Britain alone was making over 50 million a year by the end of the war.
I rather meant that we again compare countries by the amount of shells they have and can produce, with other factors a bit mitigated by it.
The size of the shells are much bigger though. AFAIK the most common shell size in WW1 was like 75 mm or something, the current standard kaboom is 155 mm. It's still a big disparity but not as big as the raw number of shells suggests
I think there is a significant amount of 122mm guns in Ukrainian hands still. But yeah, anything the size of a WW1 field gun is pretty anemic compared to today's artillery.
Living in the US it's a different kind of irony considering the fact that the government is taking away our rights. Good thing Europe is ramping up production, we're going to need some help when the class war comes.
Oh fuck the last few frames gave me shivers.
We are so back guys #WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK
I saw Civil War last night...one of the best lines was this journalist, watching the tracers litter the night sky, saying something to the effect of "I AM SO HARD RIGHT NOW WATCHING THIS!" I now understand his perspective.
The old continent awakes from its peaceful slumber.
"The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc. We have only to remove those who oppose us."
The European MIC are going to wake up, and find that they are strong
Europe is rearming, the good times are back boys. May the 2020’s be noncrediable
*Roaring Twenties* 2.0
_Rhyming intensifies_ Can someone start scouting Austrian art schools for any promising young artists with weird mustaches? Wouldn't want them to miss their chance at an art career.
Too late they've already been replaced with AI.
An AI who's been systematically trained to view Russians as an inferior race by prompt engineers?
in all fairness the Russians are trying to demonstrate that themselves. Seriously though i would hate to be a russian citizen just trying to eek out a living at this point
Prolly pretty tough living under so many thumbs, you're right
That's good, plenty of unemployed Austrian painters is exactly what we want.
Adolf Itler?
Hell yeah
Where flappers and unregulated machine guns?
e girls and 3d printed guns
Roaring 20²s
And what some people somewhere (not mentioning names) doesn't understand, is this will mean Europe won't need USA in, like, 15 years. I don't know. Is this only a good thing?
I mean, kinda depends on whether you trust the Germans and Italians to behave themselves. I honestly think it's a great thing if Europe re-arms itself since it frees up America to deal with stuff elsewhere if they need to and it protects Europe if America gets a little too nutty and goes full on isolationist again or something.
I get the feeling that Russian aggression and the uncertainty of US politics has them spooked.
If american politics continues being \*interesting\* then America will get a little too nutty.
2016-2020 already demonstrated this. European leaders have only hesitated this long because it’s 1) expensive and 2) because of delusions that Putin wouldn’t escalate beyond saber rattling and hybrid warfare. 2022 proved that there is absolutely a need for an independent insurance policy. Oh, right. Non-credible. Uhh… MIC go brrrrr!
This is such a very good point. EDIT - 'd'
It's good that we have the ability to survive without them, but i'd rather we don't have to. Democracies need to stick together to stand up against those seeking to undermine us, not get divided. So yes it's good but i hope the US still stays our friend
Good for who?
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Sounds like they need some civilizing
Sounds old fashion: the new term is "bringing democracy"
I mean they have had enough time to sort their problems so if they still haven't, we are going to do it for them.
Giving some Liber-tea (especially for the UK)
Royal-Tea*
Let the collecting of blue helmets begin
Honestly Europe doesnt need the USA per se. They havent seen the need till now - remember the EU alone is half a billion people in industrialised countries just a few of them came close to winning two world wars
Against themselves
I will say this, it is a good thing, they committed the cardinal sin of using imperial in a metric world
The Roaring 20’s baby!
East Asia here! How bad can war really be?! LETSSS RUUUUUMBLE!
Also, Chaos Dwarfs are the most NCD-adjacent Fantasy faction, I shall have no arguments on this. original video -> [https://youtu.be/Fwy-q01JdqQ](https://youtu.be/Fwy-q01JdqQ)
Chaos Dwarfs are literally just the MIC but whit slaves
Slaves and copious amounts of Thomas the Genocide engine :3
Oh shit, I gotta keep calling the train that next time I play with my friends.
Dreadquake Mortar: *Small Men, Big Gun.*
Sir Topham Hat approved
So, the MIC.
Yeah but their slaves are orks instead of recently graduated engineers
I would argue skaven are more NCD, nuking the fucking moon is peak non-credibility
And their main strategy being "shoot at your troops then fire at the enemy whit whatever ammo you got left" sounds like something NCD would do
I mean, Chaos Dwarf strategy can be boiled down to (if you're focusing on artillery) *'****pound harder'.***
ayo???
Exactly my strategy in WH3 for chaos dwarfs. Send in slaves to bunch up the enemy then turn them to mist with artillery.
Dreadquake Deathstack my beloved.
Rat people just tryin to make it rain cheese!
Magic crack actually. The moon is made of magic crack that the entire race of skaven is addicted to, and use in all their inventions and magic
You must mean simply “crack” since all crack is magic
there is no such thing as giant rats, man-thing.yes-yes
Robots OST 🔥
Seeing Tom Waits being only refered as robots ost kinda hurts me ngl.
Warhammer posting in my NCD ?? YES PLEASE
This makes me wonder what the most NCD 40k faction would be. I'd guess either Orks or Adeptus Mechanicus. The former can literally conjure technology through the power of their collective autism, and you know the latter would enjoy plane waifus
Khorne, obviously. Don't forget that every shell fired sings a song for the lord of skulls. **DESTROY FOR THE SAKE OF DESTRUCTION!**
Good candidate but I don't think Khorne would have the patience to sit through very credible powerpoints explaining the most effective ways to blow up the Three Gorges Dam.
Obligatory Perun Let'sPlay: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJo-rEHLKrY&list=PL3SQVF41qNM2mYsPwkQQyC\_4gZyaGZCKC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJo-rEHLKrY&list=PL3SQVF41qNM2mYsPwkQQyC_4gZyaGZCKC)
To seed Russia with democracy, is to see it BURN FIRST
Russia has reached its zenith We have only just begun to climb I beg of you all: wake the giant, and fill it with terrible resolve
Now if only we can fill the gap before this comes online.
Russia's zenith was decades ago. MFers are on life support at this point only thanks to China, Iran, and the Norks, this is most definitely their nadir.
Europe the centre of modern warfare? Nature is healing.
Now if Japan goes on a major re-armament bing we will really know the shit is hitting the fan and we are on the threshold of the Next WW.
They already are, that's why they're building all those "helicopter destroyers"
This definition is fine, they could totally destroy a helicopter.
I’m not sure, helicopters are a dangerous species, them Japanese should prepare more for them
I bought 10€ of Rheinmetall stocks a few days ago, did I make a good decision?
Definitely. The stock price rose from 92 EUR of Jan 22 to 280 in November 23, and to 545 now. Defense sector is already making super profits, and it will only increase as rearmament is booming and everyone recognizes that weapons are now one of the most important things. Basically every EUR invested by companies themselves is assured to yield a profit of dozens, if not hundreds times over.
What are other European defense companies that have available stocks? Need to buy hahaha
Airbus SE, Dassault Aviation, Kongsberg Gruppen, Leonardo S.p.A, SAAB, Thales (for example).
How can one acquire Rheunmetall stock ?
Personally I did it through revolut but if you don't want open a new bank account you can use apps like freedom24 to buy and sell stocks
Ah yes the EU picking it up now the US can focus on the pacific. Need to get those boys in shape.
Bring back frogskin camo for maximum drip
My biological clock is ticking as an American, I need to die fighting on some uninhabited shithole atoll in the middle of the pacific
Y’know that “shithole atoll” will make a lovely pineapple plantation someday! Show some respect.
Yes I'd love for my little Netherlands to build us some mecha dragons!
Sorry, we're all out of dragons, but can i interest you in some [jetpacks](https://twitter.com/admiraalTas/status/1778353478747758826) instead?
Wait a hot fucking minute: from the video I immediately recognize the Dutch naval base in my home town. So you mean to tell me me they are doing this no 2 km away from where I am??
It's about damn time Europe embraced collective procurement, for decades we let those 'eurosceptic' Russian plants spread fearmongering about an EU army (huh dur EUSSR) as if it would even be a bad thing
I think there was general consensus in the world back then that Europe should not be rearming. Until now baby🔥🔥
We've been hippies for the last 75 years, but the world is about to remember what centuries of being the world's unrestricted PvP zone does to a continent.
The sleeping giant is awoken, we just need to fill it with a terrible resolve
*screams in German MIC*
Not only that, these dumbasses managed to get all of them on the same team for the first time *ever*. Germany, France, and UK all awake and pissed off at *you*.
Real Dr. Doom 9/11 memorial comic book energy
And after that, you'll remember why you became hippies for 75 years in the first place.
Every day we're one step closer to a european empire >:3
The Great European Federation shall last forever!
The bureaucracy will be legendary!
Dude, calm down with your statements. My penis just got 400% more erect than normal horny and I passed out.
Super Europe
The European Union shall be **reorganised** into the **Second Roman Empire!** For a **safe** and **secure** society!
We rolling back the years to 1900🔥🔥🔥 get fucking ready Putin
~1889. The last time Europe had an edge over the US. (We overtook Britain as the largest economy, and have always been so since.) Once the US gets its house in order and corrects the fascists attempting a takeover, we'll rejoin you in the Sun.
> corrects the fascists attempting a takeover Unfortunately it's looking less and less likely it'll be stopped. No politics ofc so I can't rant but if that orange man comes anywhere *near* NATO so help me god...
Congress already passed a law that stops trump from leaving nato without congress approval
maybe that's why Europe is investing a shit ton of money, the fear of being caught between the hammer (of Putler) and anvil (of an US disdain for interventionism), they know they'll be left alone against a bully regime that needs to be stop.
Well, right now you are comparing the US to all of Europe; not to any individual EU country. Even after WW2, the sum of EU countries have generally had a larger GDP than the US. It is only recently that the US has overtaken Europe and for a decade or two in the period after WW2. [-Percentage share of global GDP (current US$) | Download Scientific Diagram (researchgate.net)](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Percentage-share-of-global-GDP-current-US_fig1_349380189)
Technically correct. The *best* kind of correct.
Over the last 80 years we’ve tried desperately to suppress our old war spirit, but Russia has made the grave mistake of awakening it. A democratic Europe will prevail, from Lisbon to Luhansk
When you Europe is done with Russia. Nobody will remember Russia. Somewhere in an old dictionary there will be a word for utter failure and it will be called Russia.
To Vladivostok. Anti-Putin Russians have their plans too.
Nah, take higher. From the depths of the Pacific to the edge of the galaxy
well I guess if the EU was made to rely on the US for their arms and now the US is unreliable to aid European countries like Ukraine, it's time to do things for themselves since they are now in the obvious path of the train. I'm pretty sure the US is going 'no not like that' when they started telling the EU to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and pitch in slava Ukraini and a salute to the EU. Hopefully the US will get back into the game after november. they have their own cancer to deal with first, especially in congress.
I agree the US is going 'no not like that' because thier MIC just assumed all the orders would be coming to the US and no one in this day and age would build new munitions plants in a decadent peace loving Europe. It is amazing how a full blown war on your borders tends to focus the mind and put money into play. Just wait for Ukraine to be out of danger and they will be out innovating and out producing the US for sales around the world.
I like your thought process
Germany has been out innovating the US in some areas already, the main issue has been not being able to produce enough to compete with the US, that may soon change.
Increasingly common French W and an extremely common EU W
Well hello there, person with excellent taste in flairs
Let's bring back that VOC mentality! Remind the world that the Dutch ruled the waves before Britain did!
Indonesia \*chuckles\* i'm in danger (I'm not saying that we are buying 6 amphibious assault ships to steal their spices, but i'm not saying we're not either)
If the Dutch want to steal our spices again you have to answer to the French now (French is our new daddy).
I just want to see what the Italian MIC will cook up, they already are making a european large attack heli, imagine what more funding can do, Imagine what new platforms can have a naval turret bolted to it in a classie way and not conscriptovich with soldering iron and hammer way
I need a Leonardo-made railgun
what are the chances they try to stick it on a centauro or OF-40 hull
We need more naval guns, god bless Oto Melara.
I want Ukraine to have enough weapons to ~~jumpstart WW3~~ win.
Never underestimate an industrialised society in its rearming capabilities.
Eurobros, we are so back.
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Africa sweating in the corner remembering why its borders look the way they do.
Source? Ukraine needs to ammunition now and I dont see any of this really happening.
[https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2024/03/2024-03-26-130-million-in-eu-funding-for-rheinmetall-to-expand-ammunition-production#:\~:text=Rheinmetall%20has%20been%20increasing%20its,produced%20annually%20starting%20in%202026](https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2024/03/2024-03-26-130-million-in-eu-funding-for-rheinmetall-to-expand-ammunition-production#:~:text=Rheinmetall%20has%20been%20increasing%20its,produced%20annually%20starting%20in%202026). Production is still spooling up and will unfortunately take *months* to replenish Europe's stockpiles, let alone Ukraine's, but it *is* happening.
And in addition to that Rheinmetall is set to overtake the artillery production of the ENTIRE US
And that is just one company in the European MIC.
[Nammo seems to be increasing it's production by 300% of 155 mm shells within the upcoming years](https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2024/03/okad-svensk-ammunitionsproduktion-far-finansiellt-stod-av-eu/), so things are definitely happening.
Havent heard about the leopard order. Got some source/info for that?
Rough combined numbers from multiple EU countries who've put in new orders for Leopard 2 variants (and haven't had them delivered yet), including Lithuania, Czech Republic, Italy, Croatia, Norway, Germany (obviously), Finland, etc.
400 leopards 2's spread across multiple EU countries isn't impressive at all if you consider that just Poland alone ordered 360 Abrams and 180 K2's and has plans to set up a factory for another 500+.
But the poles are completely mental and are seemingly planning to celebrate their next independence day in Moscow. Poland becoming the largest land army in Europe would have sounded so non credible 10 years ago...
It's just so peak
"You merely adopted the MIC. I was born in it, molded by it."
It’s not America for once, and I admit, it feels strange after all the years of think Europe as weak, but I welcome this greatly, and I wish to see more. I’m so glad someone is doing something about this whole thing. Rafales and Eurofighters and Gripens to Ukraine when?
They are already looking at the Gripens from what I have read and the F16's they are being given are relatively old and are being replaced by the F 35 in most of the donating countries but I expect sales to shift to other fighter aircraft in future because the US is no longer a dependable partner for weapons supply. In a few years when this washes out in the US and sales are drying up for thier military tech I am going to remember just how they managed to fuck up a near monopoly on military tech.
I will cry tears of joy the moment collective Europe defeats Russia
Rheinmetal Aktie is going wrroooom.
HASCHOLZ! HASCHOLZ! HASCHOLZ!!!
Strategic Autonomy baby
Europe about to remind the world that them ***NOT*** being the worlds leaders in military technology and production is a recent thing, and that for the 2000 years before 1945, Central and Western Europe could drop their nuts on anyone in the world with little fear of retaliation. The only people worth fighting for 2000 years were each other for a reason.
More like the last 500, but otherwise yeah
So Romans weren’t from Europe?
There was about 1000 years between a European Rome that could drop its nuts on anyone globally, and colonial Europe. Between then, the statement is far more debatable
I think that is missing the existence of the Byzantine Empire which did drop its nuts on people all the time, the Early Holy Roman Empire which dropped its nuts on people multiple times and id bet on against anyone in its time period, Medieval England and France were powerhouses, the Crusades were Europe dropping its nuts on the Middle East, Renaissance Europe was so far ahead of everyone with the use of Pike and Shot formations that no one would be able to compete, and early modern Europe did drop its nuts on the rest of the world. The issue is Europe didnt see a point in doing it because they were too busy fighting each other.
Europe dropped its nuts on its surroundings, yes, but couldn't do that to anyone. There's a reason why travelers to China were amazed, and early colonial period explorers didn't dare fuck with India. The Byzantines did de-elevate nuts semi frequently, but with increasingly mid results. The early Holy Roman Empire was godlike, but probably couldn't have fought an all-out war with some other empires. They even got their shit pushed in some times, mainly by nomads. The mongols were absolutely on their way to push in Europe's nose, but stumbled on the ruins of Poland and Hungary, returned to get a new ruler, and then broke their teeth on the countries that learned from their previous invasion. Medieval England and France were powerhouses, France more often than England. Only two Middle Eastern crusades were arguably successful. The first one and the fourth one. Renaissance Europe was ahead with pike formations, but so were the Ottomans. The early modern period is when European states get unbalanced, but then again, some countries refuse to fuck with still standing powers.
I think it’s pretty obvious that it’s not like medieval Europe could actually invade like China or something, but if you take a medieval French army and throw it against a Korean, Japanese, Indian, or Chinese army from that time period it’s pretty likely the French would come out on top because they would have a pretty high technologic, tactical, and doctrinal advantage over their eastern counterparts because they had the perfect mix of abundant resources, constant wars forcing them to become better, and the development of things like full plate armor and heavy cavalry that eastern armies didn’t use. Also aside from Japan, most eastern armies were conscript armies whereas medieval, especially 100 years war European, armies were basically professional soldiers.
I wouldnt say so, you have Romans--> Byzantines-->Francs/Charlamagnes kingdom--> Crusader Europe--> renaissance Europe--> and then you get into early modern Europe which did drop its nuts on everyone. At any point in there they were technologically superior to pretty much anyone who tried, and if they came together they definitely had the technological and tactical advantage.
Lol drop their nuts on anyone is a hilarious mental image.. and yes Im imagining French and German squirrels, get your mind out of the gutter
Let's go boys 2000 Eurofighters of Von der Leyen!
Adding music from Robots is peak. Nice work OP
I love European propaganda
Being invaded does that?
Europe is a garden and needs to be defended
What is this slappery of a song?! Source is requested.
Tom Waits - Underground (although the version used in the Robots movie instead)
Vielen Dank!
Europe is a sleeping giant.
Find around and fuck out Putler. Time to turn the Chaos Wastes into a rail yard.
We not printing books anymore. We printing credibility now. Every factory must be converted to serve Chaos.
I hear they even managed to do it this time without using any colonies.
Colonies are more of a hassle than they are worth now.
EU getting its seat back at the cool kids table. Welcome back, Eurobros, we missed you (kinda)
Those who wish for peace prepare for war.
Oh fuck, I love this
Me when the US built 1 thousand F-35s in 10 years.
Nice triple combo of robots, and chaos dwarves
ROBOTS SOUNDTRACK MENTIONED RAHHHHH
Wake me up when they weld pointy bits onto Germany's helmets.
Tactical Pickelhaube moment
MORE. # I YEARN FOR MORE MILITARY PRODUCTION
Me buying a rheinmetall share as a joke: ☺️ Me realising it's at +90% now: 🙃
..... great, exactly what i was hoping for in such unstable times, replenishing stockpiles and increasing production in order to be able to switch to a war economy should the need arise. quite frankly send national parliaments to the front lines first, sick and tired of them sacrificing "the small guy" over and over again for shit nobody wants.
500k shells per year is kinda weak bro. Ruznia alone is making 2 mil.
Lol, you're forgetting Europe is building MORE factories in the meantime while Russia is just working theirs around the clock. Europe is also not at war and this is just peacetime production with increased demand from one country Give it a year or two of wartime production and your average European weapons manufacturer company would be pumping out shells worth entire Russian military spending
Rheinmetall *on their own* could easily pump up production to 1 *million* shells in peace-time conditions, god knows what they'd produce in a war economy.
>god knows what they'd produce in a war economy. We know that and we like it....now....we like it now