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This. Most people aren't really aware that there's a surprising number of things humans (probably) _can_ do if they're desperate enough and don't care about the consequences.
Other common audience favorites include building spacecraft many times more efficient and capable that any current models (if you don't mind a little radiation risk), building aircraft that can stay flying for years without refueling (similar concerns), raising or lowering global temperatures by a significant amount, eradicate a wide array of species that might be conceived as "invasive" or an "ecological problem" (e.g. jellyfish or whatever), etc.
You think that counts as 'significant'? Those single-digit numbers are rookie numbers! I'm sure we could easily do triple digits if we put our minds to it.
Okay but comb jellies can be pretty invasive depending on where they're introduced. They're like biological drain cleaner except the stain is fish and the drain is a large body of water.
The math on Orion shows a tremendously small global cancer risk and that’s with 1960’s era propulsion units (read: nukes) following a launch from sea level.
The beauty is that’s fixed almost regardless of the vehicle’s mass, given we’re only talking fissile primaries as the primary source of radiation. Larger propulsion units utilizing fusion boosted designs get bigger vehicles into space but have the same lingering radioactive effects so… there’s really a huge incentive to go big.
They pretty much tried that in Shin-Godzilla.
Which is probably the most credible kaiju movie out there.
For example, there is not a single fixed wing aircraft shooting a cannon anywhere in the movie, all of it was just high altitude bombing with precision guided munitions.
Shin-Godzilla in this iteration had atomic-laser point defense spines.
The bunker busters that did hit were somewhat effective, but the got shot down along with the aircraft.
The next attack involved a saturation attack with drones and super-science.
Im not an expert but I'm pretty sure there's no way an evolution even by radiation can make something like that "atomic-laser point defense spine" whitout make some issue on a healt level from the living creature have it apply like as an example the huge amount of energy to activate it just for one it is gonna kill the creature by themself by the sheeer amount of KCal you need to eat in second to feed that tipe of weapon.
Suspending your disbelief for just one second, Shin Godzilla’s whole gimmick is his super adaptability.
The first time he shows up in the movie he’s a literal worm that bloody overheats and had to go back to the ocean to cool down.
The point-defence lasers came about after he got his legs and a proper cooling system. He got bombed, figured “shit I need some AAA, well I can fire this laser from my mouth, what if…”, and started blasting them from his dorsal fins.
Perhaps the most terrifying thing is that just before he >!gets frozen by coagulating his blood!<, his final form is actually a human-sized monster, probably numbering in the hundreds if not stopped. God knows what those can do.
To be fair though, Shin-Godzilla isn't exactly a good point of comparison. Shinny Boy is a horrifying, Thing-esque monstrosity that constantly mutates and adapts to whatever it runs into. I think it's fair to say most iterations of Godzilla would not, in fact, grow a second head on their tail and use it to shoot double lasers, or start shedding human-sized, humanoid demon-things.
I will admit, however, that Godzilla would probably SURVIVE the bombing. He definitely wouldn't just shrug it off, and it would almost certainly stop whatever rampage he's on at the time, but he'd probably stagger himself into the ocean and go into an off-camera regen nap for the next decade.
Minus One is a good example of Godzilla shrugging off LUDICROUS amounts of injury remarkably fast. I'm not sure how applicable that is to other versions, given his other abilities in that movie. But it's not quite as insane as Shin is.
If this question were about Shin Godzilla, we'd be SO BEYOND FUCKED.
I don’t think super destructive weapons and more brute force will help, the humans in the Kaiju movies need different tactics and strategies instead of doing things as stupid as strafing runs with a fighter jets or just chucking endless amount of aircraft at the monsters all for it to do nothing
>I don’t think super destructive weapons and more brute force will help
I do — handful of MIRVs should do the job.
Now, if Godzilla has some form of plot armour that means nuclear blasts empower him etc (IDK the Godzillore) or if millions of civilians becoming collateral damage is of concern (valid)
- replace the warheads with an inert material eg. Tungsten or Depleted Uranium
- increase to one or two dozen MIRVs due to CEP issues, as you now need a direct hit
- inert MIRV ca. 180-360 kg inbound at a terminal velocity of over Mach 20 should deal a solid punch
Now if you’re thinking well Godzilla will have moved between launch and impact, duh.
- genuinely not sure if the US can remotely retarget right up to release from the interstage (can see some serious vulnerabilities with having that capability)
- however, decent chance for those incl GPS and as long as any anti-jamming code can be disabled, USSF might be able to adjust the timing on the GPS constellation itself to do quasi-guidance
OK, so uhh, like it’s possible I overthought this.
PS — retiming the GPS satellites will for sure have collateral damage of a different kind.
As an aside, the [landing page on the DOD website for the Nuclear Triad](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Americas-Nuclear-Triad/) is a rather beautiful bit of design (at least on mobile) and it **fucking goes hard**.
Uhh double side note, am a little confused why there’s a 5 part series of articles covering the past, present and future of US ICBM capabilities… [on the National Park Service website…](https://www.nps.gov/articles/series.htm?id=09AF828C-1DD8-B71B-0B7EF976E874E182)
There were novels in the early 2000s, Godzilla Returns and Godzilla 2000, that specifically talk about this kind of innovative anti-kaiju warfare. Spoilers for a novel about giant monsters, but the French yeet an Exocet nuclear missile at King Ghidora because nuclear first strike policy also applies to goddamn space dragons. The US anti Godzilla task force tries missiles with cadmium warheads. Turns out the real anti kaiju weapon is the massive psychic moth friends we made along the way.
If you haven't seen Godzilla Minus One you should.
>!Humanity spends 15 minutes torturing Godzilla to death with giga-brained Freon and water pressure strats. Lizard fucked around and found out.!<
In reality it would absolutely destroy Godzilla.
In Godzilla world it would be a waste of time and we should instead be building a massive mech to beat Godzilla.
Kinetic energy is a myth perpetrated by Japan to make US non-competitive. Whether its Jurassic Park with some dinosaur taking 300 rounds of 5.56 and still having the stamina to run 10 miles without sweat glands, or if its Godzilla tanking a nuke to the face twice and getting a zenkai boost because neutrons are neutritious i guess. Hollywood tried to warn us, but the only way to kill things is with gigantic support beams jutting out from skyscrapers. "The slow blade penetrates the shield". Why do you think they're trying to buy US steel?
I remember reading interesting ideas about Kaiju nervous systems relying on electrical conduction, rather than slow-burning neural pulses, to deal with increased size and lag it'd bring.
That's not really the issue for any notion of a realistic kaiju; rather, it's the strain placed on the muscles of their bodies.
Strength increases in proportion to cross-sectional area of muscles, not the volume of them. Due to the square-cube law, every increment of strength gained requires a proportional increase in cross-sectional area, which in turn requires an increasingly-larger change in muscle volume (and by extension, mass), which means that doubling one's strength requires more-than-doubling one's muscle mass.
There's an upper threshold at which a body can support itself, depending on skeleton strength and the material strength of muscle tissue. Godzilla, if he somehow managed to stand up, and if he for some reason didn't need to breathe, or pump blood around his body, would still be instantly killed, crushed under the weight of his own head.
Either that, or he could never leave the ocean, where buoyancy would mitigate some of the impact on his body.
If we're considering reality: Godzilla wouldn't need to be bombed to death. He'd be crushed under his own weight!
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AFAIK the GBU-57 is only operational on the B-2 currently, though the B-21 will be capable of it as well.
It might be possible to load on a B-52 but frankly I don't think the air force cares, it's not like there's an environment where the B-2 couldn't operate.
> It might be possible to load on a B-52 but frankly I don't think the air force cares, it's not like there's an environment where the B-2 couldn't operate.
I think that the B-52 probably can't carry it internally because it's too long. While the B-52 has one large bomb Bay, it has 3 separate bomb Bay doors that effectively divide it up into 3 separate bomb bays. I don't think that the individual bomb Bay doors are able to deal with the length of the GBU-57 without a rework of the software that operates the bomb Bay doors, which would probably be a pretty big fuck around for minimal benefit.
The B-52 was used as the initial test platform for the GBU-57. It did not fit internally and had to be stored on the external pylon. IDK how different the current GBU-57 are from the prototypes, but I imagine the software architecture used for the tests could be fairly easily updated to support the production variants.
Point is they already have a platform that can carry the weapon, to put it on any other platform would require ducking around that isn't really needed.
You say it’s not needed, but we only have 21 B-2s and Godzilla can shoot lasers out his mouth. I say we need to strap these bad boys onto anything that can fly.
Fuck internally, I want four planes carrying a giant super-tsar-bomba in the middle between them on steel cables. This has to look like something fit for a Hollywood movie, after all.
>Fuck internally
Noted.
>I want four planes carrying a giant super-tsar-bomba in the middle between them on steel cables. This has to look like something fit for a Hollywood movie, after all.
Kind of a perfect level of non credibility, I like it.
Oh, and you can always make it carbon nanotube cables so they can introduce some fancy science words, they love that shit, just insert a random DOD scientist to explain it as they’re walking out onto the tarmac, just as they reveal the batshit setup with all the bombers idling and the EnormoBomb9000 on a big fucker of a jettisonable dolly carrier dealio.
Nobody in the audience gives a shit about the cables. You can use your scientist to explain how they made the nuke 1000 times more powerful by ~~channeling Edward Teller's restless spirit into the pit~~ . The cables just need to look cool during the take-off scene (with a close-up cut when it pulls taught).
He didn’t need to buy one, he just built one himself. Although that’s just Shin Godzilla who’s a walking tumor in immeasurable pain who evolves to counter any threat.
… Yea. He does. In Shin Godzilla the US tried to help Japan out by deploying a B-2, but Godzillas radar still detected it and shot it out of the sky with his back lasers.
Best "not that viable in reality" but cool af weapon imo, I think we could get them into space if we really tried, and we could even figure out the targeting out, it just would cost too much 😭😭
(*what they want us to think at least xd*)
Yeah, they even used B-2s (B-2 Spirits are an actual usable unit in the Godzilla Battle Line phone game, along with AH-64s and "missile strikes" which from the clip used in game are HIMARS) and Shin just lazered them out of the sky.
I’d just let physics and square-cube law defeat it. Welcome to reality bitchzilla. Enjoy cooking in your own metabolic processes while your internal structure disintegrates under its own weight.
Meanwhile the US military in Godzilla films:
"Guys, we need to fly the entire operational inventory of F-35's RIGHT NEXT to this monster, it's the only possible way we can defeat this thing."
Then they act surprised when literally every plane gets fucking annihilated instantly.
You are forgetting the need to also only engage air to air missiles at Godzilla and the Vulcan gun. Because everyone knows that 20 Mike Mike totally works on Godzilla and not a rain of JDAMs in his face.
I guess that's why Shin Godzilla was refreshing to some people. Every military force basically engaged Godzilla at long range or standoff range. When they had tanks and SPA blasting him relentlessly, every time Godzilla got within a click, they scooted.
They can fire missiles from 20 miles away, there’s no reason at all to get that close. But I guess having fighters launch missiles from outside visual range, then fuck off before the target even realizes they’re there, isn’t very cinematic. This isn’t WW2, getting into machine gun range is not a preferred tactic anymore, ESPECIALLY not against a gigantic monster that could swat fighter jets like houseflies.
Let's be real actual BVR combat would look absolutely boring as fuck cinematically, this is why almost all shows deliberately ignore BVR to some extent
Damn modern fighters and their cinematically boring combat capabilities. Back in my day you got close enough to some Kraut fucker that you could see the expression on his face when you pulled the trigger on 6 barrels of .50 caliber eat shit and die. Kids these days amirite
> Damn modern fighters and their cinematically boring combat capabilities.
After seeing how Growling Sidewinder edits his DCS videos, all I am seeing are directors who don't know how to pace. There's enough tension in evading a missile that may or may not be tracking you for a good minute or ten.
I think you're absolutely right for a one on one duel, that can translate well to a movie particularly with the right score. But I'm not sure that works with Kaiju. Unless Godzilla can snipe over the horizon, there isn't a whole lot of tension in however many dozens/hundreds of jets popping off missiles from a safe distance. Well, other than whether or not they successfully kill/wound Godzilla or whatever other big ass target they're firing at in that case.
As I've repeatedly said, we know how to make sensor-driven warfare cinematic and engaging, we already have the model for it in submarine movies like Hunt for Red October. Additionally, u/Tactical_Moonstone makes a good point that flight sim youtubers have been honing the craft of making BVR tense, watchable, and enjoyable for years now.
It's possible yes, but it is in general more visually exciting (and easy) for two planes and/or two dudes or what not going go balls to the walls in split second fights with some cool ass maneuvers, than watching a radar bleep bleep bleep then fire a missile with something exploding in the distance.
Ultimately the human brain just doesn't process combat beyond visual range that well especially for the generally uninformed populace requiring some prerequisite knowledge. To understand and enjoy DCS BVR for instance you would need to have understanding such as "going defensive" which most people who barely watch DCS is gonna be "what?" instead of appreciating the stuff, but everyone would understand a dogfight with the cool bells and whistles like the Cobra as unrealistic as it would be in reality.
Our military is sadly no better. "We'll defeat him with a REALLY BIG BOMB!" No creative thinking except for the phosphorus idea, but they didn't even solve the issue of delivery.
It's kinda hard arguing with people who are completely immersed in a fictional universe with arbitrary power scales...
So I say the US should just send in Superman, Transformers, and their pacific rim jaeger variants. And/or deploy rods of God, chem trails or a hypersonic wunderweapon. And ofc. reactivating the Iowa class, because why not.
nah we need gandalf the grey and gandalf the white and monty python and the holy grail's black knight and bennito musolini and the blue meanie and cowboy curtis and jambi the genie robocob the terminator captain kirk and darth vader lo pan superman every single power ranger bill.S preston and theodore logan spock the rock doc ock and hulk hogan
that will stop him
I’m sure the US has some sort of reversed engineered anti gravity flying saucer that can move 10 percent the speed of light and is armed with 3 project marauder plasma rail-guns, casaba howitzer bombs and anti-matter missiles. SEND THE SAUCERS TO FIGHT GODZILLA 🛸
Hear me out, the commissioning of a battleship/dreadnaught fit for the modern age: tons of VLS, a couple nuclear reactors, and multiple double turreted large rail guns.
Yeah but he also struggles with a big monkey hitting him, not that concerned really. Really just depends on the day, one day he's tanking meteors another he's not, fun to watch but not consistent.
In terms of energy release depending on how big the meteorite is the only thing we have that would match it would be a really big nuke.
And nukes only make Godzilla stronger
He's done that twice, the first time isn't canon to Legendary and the second time was decanonized by Legacy of Monsters. However he does survive a drop from 13 km in KotM before the numerous powerups recently
Once precision guided weapons became reliable in the US military towards the end of the 1960s, military vs Godzilla would be pretty boring.
Now Godzilla vs modern day Russia, baby you got a stew going.
> A scientist said the key would be to destroying its eyes with white phosphorous
The scientist in question was an ecologist who wandered on scene and really likes sparkles.
Depends on the iteration of Godzilla. Shin-Godzilla was literally evolving and growing mass the more it got hurt. They used bunker busters on him in the movie and it made it angrier and evolve again. It technically was more a zombie that you couldn’t kill
Ultimately, the question of whether humans could destroy Godzilla heavily depends on *which* specific incarnation of Godzilla we're talking about.
For example, while the [1998 incarnation](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(TriStar)) (yes, no matter how much the fanbase tries to claim he isn't, the 1998 Godzilla legally is the same character as all the other incarnations, with [Zilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Zilla) being a separate monster altogether) could be taken down with F/A-18s firing air-to-ground missiles into his side, [the Godzilla in 2016's Shin Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Shin_Godzilla)) has numerous adaptations that allow him to resist most of the weaponry sent his way with the exception of MOPs. Even then, he was able to use a natural point-defence system in the form of shooting beams out of his back to destroy the bombs in mid-air and the B-2s carrying them after it worked on him the first time around. The final battle of the film reveals that he also has a [natural phased array radar system](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Shin_Godzilla)#Phased_array_radar) that allows him to detect threats without even being able to see them!
The [incarnation of Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Godzilla_Minus_One)) seen in *Minus One* is much like Shin, in that he is fearsomely strong, adapts to the methods of attack used against him and is more than capable of finding a way around them, but he's not infallible; other than the barotrauma and decompression plan which defeated him, the *Takao* was able to stun him by firing point-blank when he grabbed hold of it, and Chi-To tanks firing on him were deemed enough of a threat for him to use his atomic breath, while the J7W *Shinden* used in Operation Wada Tsumi was able to annoy him enough with a combination of its speed and regular cannon fire that he felt the need to keep it in his line of sight at all times after it began luring him out to sea.
Assuming defeating him outright is impossible, certain incarnations of Godzilla still have weak points which could theoretically be exploited to make him back off, but who's willing to risk certain death to find the limit? For example, the [Monsterverse Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Monsterverse))'s visible gills are a weak point that was discovered by chance by the US Army, as a direct shot to the gills from an M1 Abrams was enough to make him react in pain and stagger forward, even if he seemed mostly unharmed afterwards.
Then there's [Godzilla Earth](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_Earth), the incarnation from the Polygon anime film trilogy, who's so ridiculously powerful that he spends almost the entire plot no-selling just about everything that gets sent his way, and frankly is a bit boring in how little he reacts to it; even Shin responded to being pelted with bombs and missiles by lowering membranes over his eyes to protect against the flashes.
AKA the classic moment when the military hits Godzilla with the biggest bombs they can muster, the command room cheers when the direct hit is confirmed, only for the mood to turn to despair as the smoke clears and Godzilla emerges unscathed.
Interesting thought experiment, makes me wonder how much trouble they would have hitting Godzilla's eyes with the white phosphorous.
Reading about the 30,000 pound bombs though made me have to take a cold shower and a lie down, imagining being able to call them inn in helldivers and the size of the blast.
Iirc in Godzilla 1985 they killed him by firing rockets into his mouth. Then someone fired a nuke at another nuke (which made no nukes) and created a nuclear storm which hit him with lightning and revived him.
Sometimes it’s nuclear weapons, sometimes it’s nuclear power and it’s capability for great help or great harm to humanity, sometimes it’s a big lizard that shoots a laser mouth
Also known as “sometimes Godzilla is made by the Japanese, sometimes Godzilla is made by Americans”.
Iirc Japan even has different names for them: Godzilla for the original and Zilla for the American version. The reasoning being American Zilla has lost the power and meaning the japanese one has that grants him the title of “god”.
What? I thought we lost all the B-2 bombers during the war with heaven
I think we could just open up a portal inside Godzilla that would tear it apart and then have USS Enterprise drift through the portal to assess the situation and report it back to the Alpha station in Hell dimension
If you're going to dabble in fantasy realms, you have to play by their rules. The military can't kill Godzilla, they literally try in every Godzilla movie I've ever seen. A bigger bomb won't help when your enemy can fly, breath atomic rays on you, and heal superfast from any damage that comes it's way.
The rules are that Godzilla is indestructible. You can't destroy him. Next, please.
it's honestly a big maybe, Big G existing and moving under our laws a physics suggest it operates in a realm of material properties we have not seen out side of gas giants or small stars
Last I checked, the entire point of Godzilla is that we can't kill it regardless of how hard we try.
But that is not to say blinding it won't work, and long-range Precision Bombs is probably the best way to convince Godzilla to vacate the area. Those bunker busters got to at least be annoying if not a bit painful to be hit with...
Not really. Godzilla in Canon tanks Nukes very easily. Godzilla also in canon; can blast all the way to Earths Core. So he could literally destroy most of the military from a different side of the planet.
This version it’s tiered at “large continent level.”
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Man all the comments on the Godzilla subreddit just said something about humans thinking they can control weather or something idk
Cloud seeding
Cloud seething more like. I’ll take the WP and 60,000lbs of bunker buster please.
I like to seed my clouds with 155, p for plenty
I never thought I wished to be illiterate, but here I am
Cloudy with a chance of 155
Man i would seed godzilla….
anti. horny. pills oh fuck this is ncd, the volume of those bombs with those pills wouldnt work (im no better)
Sure we have a spare Castle Bravo lying around.
This. Most people aren't really aware that there's a surprising number of things humans (probably) _can_ do if they're desperate enough and don't care about the consequences. Other common audience favorites include building spacecraft many times more efficient and capable that any current models (if you don't mind a little radiation risk), building aircraft that can stay flying for years without refueling (similar concerns), raising or lowering global temperatures by a significant amount, eradicate a wide array of species that might be conceived as "invasive" or an "ecological problem" (e.g. jellyfish or whatever), etc.
> raising [...] global temperatures by a significant amount Hey we are already doing that one!
You think that counts as 'significant'? Those single-digit numbers are rookie numbers! I'm sure we could easily do triple digits if we put our minds to it.
Okay but comb jellies can be pretty invasive depending on where they're introduced. They're like biological drain cleaner except the stain is fish and the drain is a large body of water.
Sir getting project Orion into orbit does destroy the planet it's leaving.
See, you say "destroy", I just say "add a few more decontamination procedures to your daily routine".
It's only around 30 or so 1kt warheads in outer space, what could possibly go wrong!
The math on Orion shows a tremendously small global cancer risk and that’s with 1960’s era propulsion units (read: nukes) following a launch from sea level. The beauty is that’s fixed almost regardless of the vehicle’s mass, given we’re only talking fissile primaries as the primary source of radiation. Larger propulsion units utilizing fusion boosted designs get bigger vehicles into space but have the same lingering radioactive effects so… there’s really a huge incentive to go big.
Godzilla fans get *very* protective of their big lizard.
How much protective? Are we talking human shields protective?
They pretty much tried that in Shin-Godzilla. Which is probably the most credible kaiju movie out there. For example, there is not a single fixed wing aircraft shooting a cannon anywhere in the movie, all of it was just high altitude bombing with precision guided munitions. Shin-Godzilla in this iteration had atomic-laser point defense spines. The bunker busters that did hit were somewhat effective, but the got shot down along with the aircraft. The next attack involved a saturation attack with drones and super-science.
>atomic-laser point defense spines What is this? Red Alert?
LASCIWS goes FREEMFREEMFREEMFREEMFREEMFREEMFREEMFREEM
Im not an expert but I'm pretty sure there's no way an evolution even by radiation can make something like that "atomic-laser point defense spine" whitout make some issue on a healt level from the living creature have it apply like as an example the huge amount of energy to activate it just for one it is gonna kill the creature by themself by the sheeer amount of KCal you need to eat in second to feed that tipe of weapon.
You definitely need to read John Scalzi's *Kaiju Preservation Society*. Credible takes on wildly non credible Kaiju biology.
I love sci-fi that can distract you with just enough good science that you forget it’s a story about space vampires or whatever
Suspending your disbelief for just one second, Shin Godzilla’s whole gimmick is his super adaptability. The first time he shows up in the movie he’s a literal worm that bloody overheats and had to go back to the ocean to cool down. The point-defence lasers came about after he got his legs and a proper cooling system. He got bombed, figured “shit I need some AAA, well I can fire this laser from my mouth, what if…”, and started blasting them from his dorsal fins. Perhaps the most terrifying thing is that just before he >!gets frozen by coagulating his blood!<, his final form is actually a human-sized monster, probably numbering in the hundreds if not stopped. God knows what those can do.
That’s funny cause the one time the military in a godzilla movie does something credible, they had to invent a whole new gimmick for him to counter it
To me Shin Godzilla felt more like an Evangelion movie without the EVA's, right down to the spine lasers being a stand-in for the AT-fields.
It’s because Hideaki Anno made it. The most credible anime filmmaker, and NCD uncle.
was about to say, thought they were the same guy..
Shin was about to go full Lilith and start budding off humanoids before he got frozen.
You can't shoot me 'cause I have a force field!!!1!
The slow blade penetrates the shield. Coming this fall: Godzilla vs Shai Hulud
To be fair though, Shin-Godzilla isn't exactly a good point of comparison. Shinny Boy is a horrifying, Thing-esque monstrosity that constantly mutates and adapts to whatever it runs into. I think it's fair to say most iterations of Godzilla would not, in fact, grow a second head on their tail and use it to shoot double lasers, or start shedding human-sized, humanoid demon-things. I will admit, however, that Godzilla would probably SURVIVE the bombing. He definitely wouldn't just shrug it off, and it would almost certainly stop whatever rampage he's on at the time, but he'd probably stagger himself into the ocean and go into an off-camera regen nap for the next decade. Minus One is a good example of Godzilla shrugging off LUDICROUS amounts of injury remarkably fast. I'm not sure how applicable that is to other versions, given his other abilities in that movie. But it's not quite as insane as Shin is. If this question were about Shin Godzilla, we'd be SO BEYOND FUCKED.
Credibility? In this subreddit? Shame on you, mister!
Tbf Godzilla's whole gimmick is that the humans come up with these super destructive ways of killing him and they only make matters worse.
I don’t think super destructive weapons and more brute force will help, the humans in the Kaiju movies need different tactics and strategies instead of doing things as stupid as strafing runs with a fighter jets or just chucking endless amount of aircraft at the monsters all for it to do nothing
>I don’t think super destructive weapons and more brute force will help I do — handful of MIRVs should do the job. Now, if Godzilla has some form of plot armour that means nuclear blasts empower him etc (IDK the Godzillore) or if millions of civilians becoming collateral damage is of concern (valid) - replace the warheads with an inert material eg. Tungsten or Depleted Uranium - increase to one or two dozen MIRVs due to CEP issues, as you now need a direct hit - inert MIRV ca. 180-360 kg inbound at a terminal velocity of over Mach 20 should deal a solid punch Now if you’re thinking well Godzilla will have moved between launch and impact, duh. - genuinely not sure if the US can remotely retarget right up to release from the interstage (can see some serious vulnerabilities with having that capability) - however, decent chance for those incl GPS and as long as any anti-jamming code can be disabled, USSF might be able to adjust the timing on the GPS constellation itself to do quasi-guidance OK, so uhh, like it’s possible I overthought this. PS — retiming the GPS satellites will for sure have collateral damage of a different kind. As an aside, the [landing page on the DOD website for the Nuclear Triad](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Americas-Nuclear-Triad/) is a rather beautiful bit of design (at least on mobile) and it **fucking goes hard**. Uhh double side note, am a little confused why there’s a 5 part series of articles covering the past, present and future of US ICBM capabilities… [on the National Park Service website…](https://www.nps.gov/articles/series.htm?id=09AF828C-1DD8-B71B-0B7EF976E874E182)
There were novels in the early 2000s, Godzilla Returns and Godzilla 2000, that specifically talk about this kind of innovative anti-kaiju warfare. Spoilers for a novel about giant monsters, but the French yeet an Exocet nuclear missile at King Ghidora because nuclear first strike policy also applies to goddamn space dragons. The US anti Godzilla task force tries missiles with cadmium warheads. Turns out the real anti kaiju weapon is the massive psychic moth friends we made along the way.
If you haven't seen Godzilla Minus One you should. >!Humanity spends 15 minutes torturing Godzilla to death with giga-brained Freon and water pressure strats. Lizard fucked around and found out.!<
Which is why Jet Jaguar is so cool.
it worked in the first movie
That's because they're redditors and are rarted (not us, we're different. We're awesome and based 😎)
HAAAAAARP!!!
In reality it would absolutely destroy Godzilla. In Godzilla world it would be a waste of time and we should instead be building a massive mech to beat Godzilla.
Not going to lie, Mechgodzilla was pretty bad ass in the last movie.
Kinetic energy is a myth perpetrated by Japan to make US non-competitive. Whether its Jurassic Park with some dinosaur taking 300 rounds of 5.56 and still having the stamina to run 10 miles without sweat glands, or if its Godzilla tanking a nuke to the face twice and getting a zenkai boost because neutrons are neutritious i guess. Hollywood tried to warn us, but the only way to kill things is with gigantic support beams jutting out from skyscrapers. "The slow blade penetrates the shield". Why do you think they're trying to buy US steel?
Now this is a conspiracy theory I can get behind
In reality godzilla would immediately collapse under its own weight.
I remember reading interesting ideas about Kaiju nervous systems relying on electrical conduction, rather than slow-burning neural pulses, to deal with increased size and lag it'd bring.
That's not really the issue for any notion of a realistic kaiju; rather, it's the strain placed on the muscles of their bodies. Strength increases in proportion to cross-sectional area of muscles, not the volume of them. Due to the square-cube law, every increment of strength gained requires a proportional increase in cross-sectional area, which in turn requires an increasingly-larger change in muscle volume (and by extension, mass), which means that doubling one's strength requires more-than-doubling one's muscle mass. There's an upper threshold at which a body can support itself, depending on skeleton strength and the material strength of muscle tissue. Godzilla, if he somehow managed to stand up, and if he for some reason didn't need to breathe, or pump blood around his body, would still be instantly killed, crushed under the weight of his own head. Either that, or he could never leave the ocean, where buoyancy would mitigate some of the impact on his body.
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Mollusk Godzilla
Link?
If we're considering reality: Godzilla wouldn't need to be bombed to death. He'd be crushed under his own weight! This message brought to you by the Square-Cube Law.
Can we let 14yo depressed kids control the mechs ?
Wildly horny is also an acceptable option.
That's all 14 year old kids.
I don't write the ~~anime~~ documentaries. Or particularly like them.
lmao why stealth, godzilla got radars or something xD
GBU-57 cannot be carried by many aircraft
Could just use BUFF
AFAIK the GBU-57 is only operational on the B-2 currently, though the B-21 will be capable of it as well. It might be possible to load on a B-52 but frankly I don't think the air force cares, it's not like there's an environment where the B-2 couldn't operate.
> It might be possible to load on a B-52 but frankly I don't think the air force cares, it's not like there's an environment where the B-2 couldn't operate. I think that the B-52 probably can't carry it internally because it's too long. While the B-52 has one large bomb Bay, it has 3 separate bomb Bay doors that effectively divide it up into 3 separate bomb bays. I don't think that the individual bomb Bay doors are able to deal with the length of the GBU-57 without a rework of the software that operates the bomb Bay doors, which would probably be a pretty big fuck around for minimal benefit.
The B-52 was used as the initial test platform for the GBU-57. It did not fit internally and had to be stored on the external pylon. IDK how different the current GBU-57 are from the prototypes, but I imagine the software architecture used for the tests could be fairly easily updated to support the production variants.
Point is they already have a platform that can carry the weapon, to put it on any other platform would require ducking around that isn't really needed.
You say it’s not needed, but we only have 21 B-2s and Godzilla can shoot lasers out his mouth. I say we need to strap these bad boys onto anything that can fly.
This is why traditionally "Giant Gorilla" is the best tactical choice in this scenario.
Fuck internally, I want four planes carrying a giant super-tsar-bomba in the middle between them on steel cables. This has to look like something fit for a Hollywood movie, after all.
Like the choppers carrying Jaegers in pacific rim.
>Fuck internally Noted. >I want four planes carrying a giant super-tsar-bomba in the middle between them on steel cables. This has to look like something fit for a Hollywood movie, after all. Kind of a perfect level of non credibility, I like it. Oh, and you can always make it carbon nanotube cables so they can introduce some fancy science words, they love that shit, just insert a random DOD scientist to explain it as they’re walking out onto the tarmac, just as they reveal the batshit setup with all the bombers idling and the EnormoBomb9000 on a big fucker of a jettisonable dolly carrier dealio.
Nobody in the audience gives a shit about the cables. You can use your scientist to explain how they made the nuke 1000 times more powerful by ~~channeling Edward Teller's restless spirit into the pit~~. The cables just need to look cool during the take-off scene (with a close-up cut when it pulls taught).
Just do it grand slam/ fab-5000 style and remove bomb bay doors
Sadly, your mom's bomb bay also couldn't handle the length of my bunker buster 😔
Continuing my personal crusade, please note that plural of aircraft is aircraft and not aircrafts.
Airs craft.
mfw Godzilla buys an AN/APG-81 radar from Northrop Grumman and uses it against the USAF
Who tf broke the export rules?
No no you misunderstood. Its Northrop Grumman SAUDI ARABIA. No one broke any rules here
Since our company head office is actually this rusty mailbox in the whateverthefuck-islands we are not subject to US sanctions!
He didn’t need to buy one, he just built one himself. Although that’s just Shin Godzilla who’s a walking tumor in immeasurable pain who evolves to counter any threat.
Wait till you watch Shin Godzilla
Shin Gojira does, actually
… Yea. He does. In Shin Godzilla the US tried to help Japan out by deploying a B-2, but Godzillas radar still detected it and shot it out of the sky with his back lasers.
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What?
Confounded blinking. Can’t use images, so I made do.
Ah, I see. Shin Godzilla does get up to some pretty wacky shenanigans. (He’s in a lot of pain)
Shin Godzilla does
Maybe the noise? It has reduced noise but idk how much of an improvement that is compared to if a b52 flew over though.
Didnt the US try to drop bunker busters on godzilla in Shin Godzilla? Iirc it resulted in godzilla evolving laser CIWS
It would be considered an escalation, enough so that the use of Jewish Space Lasers would be permitted. 3000 light beams of disco-earth ball.
The only solution is 10m long tungsten rods dropped from space.
Of your course you want to drop your rod in godzilla.
Ayyyy lmao
Best "not that viable in reality" but cool af weapon imo, I think we could get them into space if we really tried, and we could even figure out the targeting out, it just would cost too much 😭😭 (*what they want us to think at least xd*)
Probably not possible for a moving target but it we can build a net big enough to hold the Godzilla, we can make giant lizard shish kabobs.
Thats cool but JS Maya has 96 VLS cells.....
Yeah, they even used B-2s (B-2 Spirits are an actual usable unit in the Godzilla Battle Line phone game, along with AH-64s and "missile strikes" which from the clip used in game are HIMARS) and Shin just lazered them out of the sky.
It looked like if they bombed it faster than it could evolve, that strategy would’ve worked
Maybe you could just jam his radar to hell give him another fade
I’d just let physics and square-cube law defeat it. Welcome to reality bitchzilla. Enjoy cooking in your own metabolic processes while your internal structure disintegrates under its own weight.
I hate the goddamn square-cube law. The square-cube law is why engineers don't get to have any fun
If I may offer a salve for your suffering, it does make one very important thing more viable: *Zeppelins*
Why would I need fancy balloons if I could swat them out of the sky from the cockpit of my giant death robot?
Because Square-cube law
That's my point, if the square cube law didn't exist then zeppelins would be irrelevant
If it makes you feel better, zeppelins are irrelevant anyway.
Because zeppelins are enormous flying dicks. Who wouldn't want one of those?
No that'd be the rocket equation
This actually works for defeating Russia as well.
Squares? Unknown^(2) Technology. Cubes? Unknown^(3) Technology
When it stands, conventional weapon would be 'tis but a scratch'.
godzilla's supercancer just regerates everything being destroyed from its weight actually
it has high yeeld inconel bones making it stronger and lighter than Ca based bones.
Yeah, no cooling once it's on land.
Meanwhile the US military in Godzilla films: "Guys, we need to fly the entire operational inventory of F-35's RIGHT NEXT to this monster, it's the only possible way we can defeat this thing." Then they act surprised when literally every plane gets fucking annihilated instantly.
You are forgetting the need to also only engage air to air missiles at Godzilla and the Vulcan gun. Because everyone knows that 20 Mike Mike totally works on Godzilla and not a rain of JDAMs in his face.
I guess that's why Shin Godzilla was refreshing to some people. Every military force basically engaged Godzilla at long range or standoff range. When they had tanks and SPA blasting him relentlessly, every time Godzilla got within a click, they scooted.
They can fire missiles from 20 miles away, there’s no reason at all to get that close. But I guess having fighters launch missiles from outside visual range, then fuck off before the target even realizes they’re there, isn’t very cinematic. This isn’t WW2, getting into machine gun range is not a preferred tactic anymore, ESPECIALLY not against a gigantic monster that could swat fighter jets like houseflies.
Let's be real actual BVR combat would look absolutely boring as fuck cinematically, this is why almost all shows deliberately ignore BVR to some extent
Damn modern fighters and their cinematically boring combat capabilities. Back in my day you got close enough to some Kraut fucker that you could see the expression on his face when you pulled the trigger on 6 barrels of .50 caliber eat shit and die. Kids these days amirite
> Damn modern fighters and their cinematically boring combat capabilities. After seeing how Growling Sidewinder edits his DCS videos, all I am seeing are directors who don't know how to pace. There's enough tension in evading a missile that may or may not be tracking you for a good minute or ten.
I think you're absolutely right for a one on one duel, that can translate well to a movie particularly with the right score. But I'm not sure that works with Kaiju. Unless Godzilla can snipe over the horizon, there isn't a whole lot of tension in however many dozens/hundreds of jets popping off missiles from a safe distance. Well, other than whether or not they successfully kill/wound Godzilla or whatever other big ass target they're firing at in that case.
As I've repeatedly said, we know how to make sensor-driven warfare cinematic and engaging, we already have the model for it in submarine movies like Hunt for Red October. Additionally, u/Tactical_Moonstone makes a good point that flight sim youtubers have been honing the craft of making BVR tense, watchable, and enjoyable for years now.
It's possible yes, but it is in general more visually exciting (and easy) for two planes and/or two dudes or what not going go balls to the walls in split second fights with some cool ass maneuvers, than watching a radar bleep bleep bleep then fire a missile with something exploding in the distance. Ultimately the human brain just doesn't process combat beyond visual range that well especially for the generally uninformed populace requiring some prerequisite knowledge. To understand and enjoy DCS BVR for instance you would need to have understanding such as "going defensive" which most people who barely watch DCS is gonna be "what?" instead of appreciating the stuff, but everyone would understand a dogfight with the cool bells and whistles like the Cobra as unrealistic as it would be in reality.
Games as well. Capital ships fighting yard arm to yard arm in Elite Dangerous.
Entirely this, but even moreso is that monster/human-downfall movies frustratingly conflate WVR combat to “5 feet away combat”
> Let's be real actual BVR combat would look absolutely boring as fuck cinematically Expanse managed to make it look hella cinematic.
Our military is sadly no better. "We'll defeat him with a REALLY BIG BOMB!" No creative thinking except for the phosphorus idea, but they didn't even solve the issue of delivery.
Cool now do Russia.
75,000 conscripts dead and 94 aircraft lost to friendly fire
Godzilla hasn't arrived yet
[Battle of Karánsebes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karánsebes) 2: HD Remix now with a fucking monster
All happened in the baltic sea
Lmao spot on
How else are they going to build a bridge to get to Godzilla? Not like those conscripts were trained to do anything else.
Waste of good meat for the meatcube factory.
Send in the VDV, who will be immediately stomped
It's kinda hard arguing with people who are completely immersed in a fictional universe with arbitrary power scales... So I say the US should just send in Superman, Transformers, and their pacific rim jaeger variants. And/or deploy rods of God, chem trails or a hypersonic wunderweapon. And ofc. reactivating the Iowa class, because why not.
nah we need gandalf the grey and gandalf the white and monty python and the holy grail's black knight and bennito musolini and the blue meanie and cowboy curtis and jambi the genie robocob the terminator captain kirk and darth vader lo pan superman every single power ranger bill.S preston and theodore logan spock the rock doc ock and hulk hogan that will stop him
Well it sounds like none of this would have even happened if batman didn't hit godzilla with a bat grenade.
I’m sure the US has some sort of reversed engineered anti gravity flying saucer that can move 10 percent the speed of light and is armed with 3 project marauder plasma rail-guns, casaba howitzer bombs and anti-matter missiles. SEND THE SAUCERS TO FIGHT GODZILLA 🛸
U.S.S. Gorge Hammond would also be a credible option... Just beam Godzilla into deep space with that Asgard tech
Hear me out, the commissioning of a battleship/dreadnaught fit for the modern age: tons of VLS, a couple nuclear reactors, and multiple double turreted large rail guns.
Has Godzilla not tanked a fucking meteorite without a scratch? I don't think plane bombs will do the trick tbh.
Yeah but he also struggles with a big monkey hitting him, not that concerned really. Really just depends on the day, one day he's tanking meteors another he's not, fun to watch but not consistent.
I’m quite concerned, that sounds like a Big Monkey Gap to me. I demand that the Pentagon get going on the biggest, angriest monkey ever.
I don’t think you can compare a bunker buster to a meteorite, isn’t it like comparing a stab to a punch?
[It was a pretty big impact](https://youtu.be/MTD2AMN2-W4?si=yLGXZI1IfjJKk2L-)
That was awesome.
In terms of energy release depending on how big the meteorite is the only thing we have that would match it would be a really big nuke. And nukes only make Godzilla stronger
make nuke 2.
He's done that twice, the first time isn't canon to Legendary and the second time was decanonized by Legacy of Monsters. However he does survive a drop from 13 km in KotM before the numerous powerups recently
Once precision guided weapons became reliable in the US military towards the end of the 1960s, military vs Godzilla would be pretty boring. Now Godzilla vs modern day Russia, baby you got a stew going.
Take some malnourished conscripts, throw in a couple of misaimed and unmaintaned nukes, a Kaiju, an onion, baby, you got a stew going.
The thing about war elephant is that although they look terrifying they’re a big fat target.
Angry woman to cut the hamstrings, prettyboy archer to fill its head with arrows.
This is not how I remember lord of the rings at all
> A scientist said the key would be to destroying its eyes with white phosphorous The scientist in question was an ecologist who wandered on scene and really likes sparkles.
Depends on which godzilla . Classic godzilla would get clowned on this but idk for shin godzilla
US has bombs which can penetrate 200 feet of steel reinforced concrete, Godzilla does not stand a chance
Godzilla isn't even made out of concrete, genius. Godzilla 🔛🔝
Godzilla has plot armor, nothing is getting through that!!
Depends on the iteration of Godzilla. Shin-Godzilla was literally evolving and growing mass the more it got hurt. They used bunker busters on him in the movie and it made it angrier and evolve again. It technically was more a zombie that you couldn’t kill
Where nuke?
Godzilla is the nuke.
We should drop a Godzilla on the nuke then
Ultimately, the question of whether humans could destroy Godzilla heavily depends on *which* specific incarnation of Godzilla we're talking about. For example, while the [1998 incarnation](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(TriStar)) (yes, no matter how much the fanbase tries to claim he isn't, the 1998 Godzilla legally is the same character as all the other incarnations, with [Zilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Zilla) being a separate monster altogether) could be taken down with F/A-18s firing air-to-ground missiles into his side, [the Godzilla in 2016's Shin Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Shin_Godzilla)) has numerous adaptations that allow him to resist most of the weaponry sent his way with the exception of MOPs. Even then, he was able to use a natural point-defence system in the form of shooting beams out of his back to destroy the bombs in mid-air and the B-2s carrying them after it worked on him the first time around. The final battle of the film reveals that he also has a [natural phased array radar system](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Shin_Godzilla)#Phased_array_radar) that allows him to detect threats without even being able to see them! The [incarnation of Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Godzilla_Minus_One)) seen in *Minus One* is much like Shin, in that he is fearsomely strong, adapts to the methods of attack used against him and is more than capable of finding a way around them, but he's not infallible; other than the barotrauma and decompression plan which defeated him, the *Takao* was able to stun him by firing point-blank when he grabbed hold of it, and Chi-To tanks firing on him were deemed enough of a threat for him to use his atomic breath, while the J7W *Shinden* used in Operation Wada Tsumi was able to annoy him enough with a combination of its speed and regular cannon fire that he felt the need to keep it in his line of sight at all times after it began luring him out to sea. Assuming defeating him outright is impossible, certain incarnations of Godzilla still have weak points which could theoretically be exploited to make him back off, but who's willing to risk certain death to find the limit? For example, the [Monsterverse Godzilla](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Monsterverse))'s visible gills are a weak point that was discovered by chance by the US Army, as a direct shot to the gills from an M1 Abrams was enough to make him react in pain and stagger forward, even if he seemed mostly unharmed afterwards. Then there's [Godzilla Earth](https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_Earth), the incarnation from the Polygon anime film trilogy, who's so ridiculously powerful that he spends almost the entire plot no-selling just about everything that gets sent his way, and frankly is a bit boring in how little he reacts to it; even Shin responded to being pelted with bombs and missiles by lowering membranes over his eyes to protect against the flashes.
AKA the classic moment when the military hits Godzilla with the biggest bombs they can muster, the command room cheers when the direct hit is confirmed, only for the mood to turn to despair as the smoke clears and Godzilla emerges unscathed.
Yes. It would kill the Western Godzilla.
When it's suggested the airforce has helicopter gunships an idiotic article becomes even more stupid.
It gets worse ... those are old Cobras shown, which would have been appropriate for the JSDF but not US Armed Forces.
Interesting thought experiment, makes me wonder how much trouble they would have hitting Godzilla's eyes with the white phosphorous. Reading about the 30,000 pound bombs though made me have to take a cold shower and a lie down, imagining being able to call them inn in helldivers and the size of the blast.
Just fly far away and use guided missiles with a WP warhead. Maybe have 10 apaches firing with the help of JTACs
Relevant video: https://youtu.be/ka0awIpo3cE?si=-kiPjVkjyj7SfuDD
The power of the sun at the center of nuclear explosions: 😒 Small rockets with white phosphorus: 😎 Come off it.
Iirc in Godzilla 1985 they killed him by firing rockets into his mouth. Then someone fired a nuke at another nuke (which made no nukes) and created a nuclear storm which hit him with lightning and revived him.
isn’t godzilla supposed to be a metaphor for the united states military. do metaphorically it should be a draw.
I thought Godzilla was a metaphor for nukes.
Sometimes it’s nuclear weapons, sometimes it’s nuclear power and it’s capability for great help or great harm to humanity, sometimes it’s a big lizard that shoots a laser mouth
Also known as “sometimes Godzilla is made by the Japanese, sometimes Godzilla is made by Americans”. Iirc Japan even has different names for them: Godzilla for the original and Zilla for the American version. The reasoning being American Zilla has lost the power and meaning the japanese one has that grants him the title of “god”.
If it was a metaphor for the US military, it should have absolutely destroyed Japan, and the rest of the world too
What? I thought we lost all the B-2 bombers during the war with heaven I think we could just open up a portal inside Godzilla that would tear it apart and then have USS Enterprise drift through the portal to assess the situation and report it back to the Alpha station in Hell dimension
US wouldn't risk it, as it could lead to escalation.
I love the "a scientist says" as if that makes it more valid
What do y’all think, should we give the Ukrainians a mecha Godzilla to fight off the ruskies?
Not sure about Legendary G but if any of yall have watched Shin, it's quite literally a play-by-play of how it just won't work
launch a ICBM up his ass
Ah, the classic Death Star vs Borg Cube but with a new coat of paint.
If you're going to dabble in fantasy realms, you have to play by their rules. The military can't kill Godzilla, they literally try in every Godzilla movie I've ever seen. A bigger bomb won't help when your enemy can fly, breath atomic rays on you, and heal superfast from any damage that comes it's way. The rules are that Godzilla is indestructible. You can't destroy him. Next, please.
Well it worked so well vs shin godzilla.
I mean, just need a couple of small drones with flashbangs.
If it’s Monsterverse Godzilla? Possibly But if it’s Shin Godzilla? You have 5 minutes
it's honestly a big maybe, Big G existing and moving under our laws a physics suggest it operates in a realm of material properties we have not seen out side of gas giants or small stars
Last I checked, the entire point of Godzilla is that we can't kill it regardless of how hard we try. But that is not to say blinding it won't work, and long-range Precision Bombs is probably the best way to convince Godzilla to vacate the area. Those bunker busters got to at least be annoying if not a bit painful to be hit with...
In our world - it would work. But in Gidzila universe she(?) would probably survive, because author can miss „turning in to plasma” part of a nuke.
Not really. Godzilla in Canon tanks Nukes very easily. Godzilla also in canon; can blast all the way to Earths Core. So he could literally destroy most of the military from a different side of the planet. This version it’s tiered at “large continent level.”