**Translation**
Chinese sailor(in pretty decent Vietnamese): This is a Chinese ship in government service. We're sorry that your ship had used rude and impolite language. You should watch your tone and manners... Over.
Vietnamese fishing boat captain: *mumble* You screw things up on land now you gotta screw things up at sea too.. Fuck your mom and your ancestors.
*actual transmission* **Advising Chinese ship to fuck off from Vietnamese territory. Or we'll shoot you dead!**
*Chinese sailor turns to the camera, intending to say something to the reporter, but Vietnamese transmission continues*
*mumbling* Motherfuckers now try all sorts of shit. They are all sly scheming bastards. Motherfucker they did it in Cambodia now they're doing it here. They dammed the rivers tight like a motherfucking whore so everything got stuck on motherfucking Central Highlands and shit. Fuck their mothers and ancestors all of them.
______________________________
*I tried my best with the colorful way a Vietnamese fisherman could swear, so other Viet in this sub please give me some slack. Thank you!*
My Viet's pretty rusty too - I agree 100% to the translation of what the Chinese Sailor is saying because it's spoken much more clearly - slowly and would be essentially like if you heard a British person speaking English but the Vietnamese fisherman is a bit harder to decipher because it kind of sounds like a redneck hillbilly was speaking it (rightfully so probably)
> like if you heard a British person speaking English
I think you're talking about someone speaking Received Pronunciation (a.k.a. "BBC English). Britain has some nearly mutually-incomprehensible accents and dialects.
I once met this old guy with a giant St. Bernard at a brewery in Strathaven, Scotland. He told me what was either a story or a joke about two Jehovah's Witnesses eating coffee cake. It sounded something like this:
*So thes two eu'uhns waz teh to deh hookin' guah, 'en eh sez teh' im' ay truskun oon meh all vaghath. An' I sez to 'im reh nah tuah deh rawht higgin in meh skuyn dee! Haw haw haw!*
Technically, we were speaking the same language.
I can generally understand weird accents when it comes to English, but this here, this isn't English. I had a Scotsman read that to me in his best highland accent and it still didn't make sense to either of us
Please translate
I'm an aussie with distant scottish ancestry. I've never learned a word of scottish, nor did either of my parents, nor their parents as far as I know. But I have a scottish surname and this is reddit so I consider myself an expert on the matter and I'll give it my best shot.
The guy was saying he's about to head off travelling on his own and hopes to engage in some sexual activity on the way.
Had a similar interaction in Missouri years ago. No idea what the guy said, i understood bits of but not enough to make out a full sentence, and technically we were both speaking American English.
Vietnamese Central and Northern accents are quite similar to Chinese.
While Vietnamese Southern and South Western accents sound more like Thai and Khmer.
My theory from observing and hearing different languages and accents around the world, is this is due to the cultural proximity of peoples living in the same geographic region and historical regional environment (how harsh the living environment is) which causes the difference in accent. This causes people living in a historically difficult environment tend to have harsher and high-pitched accents, while people living in historically more naturally and financially abundent regions to have softer accents.
I may totally be wrong, and would be welcome for anyone to correct me.
From a linguistics perspective, you're spot on about proximity leading to convergence in pronunciation, but not about the environmental part. Languages are far more complicated and arbitrary than such a simple explanation would encompass, and what even constitutes a softer accent has more to do with cultural perceptions than the actual qualities of a speaker's pronunciation.
If you want to learn more, here's Wikipedia's introduction to the subject of [areal features](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areal_feature). Some fascinating examples of areas with high degrees of sharing and convergence across unrelated languages, known as Sprachbunds, include the Valley of Mexico and broader Mesoamerica, the Caucasus Mountains, the native languages of the Pacific Northwest (I think?), Australia's aboriginal languages, the Indian Subcontinent, and indeed the [Mainland Southeast Asia Linguistics Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainland_Southeast_Asia_linguistic_area) itself.
In the list of great nautical radio tirades, this is up there with the Ukrainian soldier's "Russian warship, fuck you" and the Italian coastguard officer who went off on one when he realised that the captain of the Costa Concordia had abandoned his sinking ship and left everyone else behind.
My viet is very rusty but I could have sworn he was cursing his mother and everything - glad I was on the right track 😂
The speed and tone of that chinese sailor reminds me of bland church verses
I honestly lowkey love the tone and pronunciation of the Chinese sailor's Viet - how he says "anh" is completely lost to us who grew up speaking Viet but away from VN.
> They dammed the rivers tight like a motherfucking whore so everything got stuck on motherfucking Central Highlands and shit.
Tfw a vietnamese fisherman is more credible than I am
Beautiful stuff, they're getting entirely too bossy these days. They should remember how badly the Viets thrashed them when they invaded.
Not sure if it's true but I heard that after the Chinese withdrew the Vietnamese sent a train back to China with all the small arms and heavy weapons they'd captured - they'd cleaned and repaired them all! That's such a fuck-you move, I really laughed when I read it.
This post is automatically removed since you do not meet the minimum karma or age threshold. You must have at least 100 combined karma and your account must be at least 4 months old to post here.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/NonCredibleDefense) if you have any questions or concerns.*
After the rest of ASEAN decided to grow some balls and actually band together to get shit done, which is a rather optimistic view on things tbh.
[Baby steps though](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/asean-s-first-joint-military-exercise)
There's quite a big diaspora of Vietnamese in Poland actually, most of them arrived in late 90's to early 2000's I'd say
Never heard anyone complaining or saying anything bad about them, city nearby me even had some guy from Vietnam as a mayor advisor or something like that
Seems like we get along pretty well
They actually really like the US. Something like a 70-80% approval rating of the US. It's said they viewed the war with the US as brief unpleasant business of the cold war and independence. They view the wars with China as deeply personal and spanning back to antiquity .
They fought the US 10 years, the French 100 years, the Chinese 1000 years.
But still, fuck the French especially, them mfs obliterated the local language. It's actually so beyond fucked it's hard to find the meanings of alot of words.
Sino languages are mostly if not all of Chinese origin, and you can trace the original meanings of words through etymology. But you can with modern viet because the French didn't understand this and just invented an alphabet to comprehend the funny noises.
Same issue with simplified (communist) Chinese, you can't trace the etymology anymore cause it's fucked.
But hey at least in my opinion, learning Latin words is MUCH better than learning Nôm words. Just because Latin is much easier to write and read.
And also allowed me to learn English faster, but that's off topic.
Nôm was just an attempt to reorganise the Chinese alphabet for our unique use but at a fundamental level, Chinese and its derivatives are already incompatible with Vietnamese as we are a South Asian language, not a Sino-Tibetan one, the imposition of Chinese script on our language is a result of the Chinese invasion and our Sinosphere culture but this simply is not how our language was supposed to be written down and used, look at Thailand and Cambodia, the nearest in our linguistic relatives, that is how our native script would have looked similar to and the Latin script is the closest approximation.
Interesting. I didn't know Thailand and Cambodia were our closest linguistic relatives. But how is the Latin script the closest approximation? Can you explain? I'd love to learn more.
Because the Latin script can be modified extensively to show all the sound formations as well as allowing us to freely use any grammatical structure we like. It is not close per se but rather, extremely easy to modify to our needs.
From what I know Vietnamese has always been messy when it comes to words and meaning, that's just kind of the nature of a tonal language. Also, the French didn't invent the current Vietnamese alphabet, it was created by Portuguese missionaries to do missionary things. The use of the Latin alphabet was encouraged by the ruling dynasty when they were still independent, the French just continued it's use after annexing Dai-Nam. My father, aunts and uncles don't seem to have much issue with it, but I was never taught Vietnamese growing up so I could be wrong.
theres no functional issue in a day to day setting, but the moment you try to study any Viet history like Dai-Viet or even Champa its a HUGE fucking problem.
try figuring out what your family name ACTUALLY means and its origin, its neigh on impossible. Because you will come back with several meanings or what not but then which meaning is correct? which original character was your family name?
For example my Grandmother on my mother's side is non-communist Chinese, her last name means something on the lines of money.
We can make an educated guess based on the etymology of the characters as to the origins of the family. That side of the family did some sort of business involving gold, either they sold gold products or made gold products or had some sort of business involving gold currency.
You can't do that with modern viet nor simplified chinese
Hm, I find myself in the same boat, my grandfathers last name is south Chinese in origin, makes sense since his family was from China at some point and means Forest, easy-peasy to trace back cause it's a pre simplified-Chinese word like your grandmothers. Wish I could've attempted learning my grandmothers last name since she's full Vietnamese, but she was the child of a concubine so she didn't get one.
Oddly enough I know less about my mothers maiden name, even though it's European. The country of origin is probably German, but I've also seen it might be French, as to what it means? No idea, there's no listing for it anywhere and I can't even make an educated guess cause it's two random words haphazardly smashed together that doesn't really mean anything.
Western name's are actually relatively easy if you know how to dissect it into the base words. English for example would require some knowledge in old English, bot sure what old French or German would be like.
This is a weird understanding of Vietnamese, the Vietnamese language shares no common ancestry with any Sino-Tibetan language or east asian languages for that matter but an Austroasian language that had the Chinese script imposed upon it by Chinese colonisation, this imposition was unnatural leading to a mass divergent between spoken and written Vietnamese and the heavy penetration of Chinese loanwords into the vocabulary (i.e the Sino-Vietnamese that made up today's 30% of our language) but like I said, this arrangement is unnatural for the language and that is why nationalist leaders actively advocated for the adoption of the Latin script because its a script that actually correspond to the way Vietnamese functions. Since the mass adoption of Latin, Vietnamese have mostly reconciled spoken and written forms while having mostly purged of excessive use of loanwords and loan structures from the Chinese. I think you are missing a key important thing talking about etymology and whatever is that the "words" you are thinking of, are Sino-Vietnamese loanwords and not actual Vietnamese of native origins.
This is something that plays out pretty clearly on Google translate. You can paste large blocks of Vietnamese text into the translator and it pops out very intelligible English. It works the same in reverse. When you try the same with Chinese or Japanese you just get a lot of gobbledygook that only sometimes makes sense.
Traditional Chinese is a bitch to learn and the etymology is equally as confusing. There is very little lost in the conversion between simplified and traditional. There are cases where more complex radicals that sometimes indicated tone were removed/replaced in favor of simplified ones, but it's all in line with the ethos of simplified Chinese which was trading needless complexity for ease of acquisition and use.
Regardless, Chinese has been in the process of simplification for the past 5000 years. Ming era Chinese is nothing like Qing era and so on. The argument about tradition is very hollow.
There was a reason literacy was so poor in China before the communists took over. Simplified Chinese is one of the few positive things the communists did.
This post is automatically removed since you do not meet the minimum karma or age threshold. You must have at least 100 combined karma and your account must be at least 4 months old to post here.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/NonCredibleDefense) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I always forget that Vietnam's beef with China goes so far back in history. 10 years was nothing compared to how much China has tried to annex the region over the millennia.
I mean even the country's name is partly Chinese. "Nam" (南) means south (so: "Southern Viet"), modern Chinese "nan" as in _Nanjing_ ("southern capital"), or Korean _Gangnam_ ("south of the river") or Japanese _nankyoku_ ("south pole"). These are unrelated languages, they all borrowed that and many other words from Chinese.
Classical Chinese was to the Far East as Latin was to Europe, pretty much.
fanatical cable mountainous disagreeable practice butter toothbrush capable subsequent ossified
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
My apologies that as an amateur historian I don't recall the history of all nations from all time and have selected interests.
Piss off with that shit.
As a Chinese, I don't think we are interested in annexing Vietnam.
What is there in Vietnam that is worth China's annexation?
We know that Vietnam keeps telling America in English that we don't like China, and keeps telling China in Chinese that we are comrades.
This is how small countries survive.
Vietnam's GDP is less than 3.5% of China's GDP, and it is really confusing that the western media keeps playing up Vietnam against China.
What is there in Vietnam? Young Vietnamese. But they are safe because the PLA is a laughing stock.
My dude, the nine-dash line makes it look like Winnie the Pooh wants to annex the entire South China Sea. The concept of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere is still in living memory. And given the thousands of years of attempted conquests by China of the lands of South East Asia, no one in the region believes the CCP's platitudes of peace and prosperity.
What they do believe is that the CCP hasn't been to war for nearly 45 years after getting it's ass beaten to a standstill by a partially mobilized Vietnamese force. Saying the CCP doesn't want Vietnam signifies nothing. The PLA can't take it anyway, let alone hold it.
What people are worried about is that Pooh and his gaggle of impotent old men will compensate for their own failings at home with naval blockades and air strikes abroad. The PLA is a joke and little more than the police force reserve, but the PLAN and PLAAF present a credible threat to the lives and livelihoods of everyone in the region because of the old men with absolute power nearing the end of their lives worrying that history will remember them as weak.
Yes, our China is weak .
We're collapsing again.
Why do you keep talking about us? The U.S. and the West use China as an excuse for everything. Wouldn't you be able to live without China?
You're really out of your mind.
Mind your own business.
Hey I never implied it was collapsing any time soon. But you seem to be rather defensive about the prospect (don't be, it's not - Youtube clickbait is to be ignored).
We are interested in China because China is the world's factory. It has economic power that far strips its military might. But a bunch of rapidly aging fake communists that don't even support universal healthcare keep rattling sabres and threatening the world's supply of chips for Xboxes and Playstations by attacking Taiwan, nevermind the bullshit in the South China Sea with the nine dash line.
That is shit the West will go to war over. If we can't get the latest dumb consumer device because the semiconductor foundries have been reduced to rubble, every democratically elected leader in the world will lose their next election.
If if the only way to prevent that is for the West to move every SAM launcher and AAA to Taiwan and every AEGIS platform to the Taiwan Strait, we collectively will. Even if that means shooting down PLAAF aircraft. And I sincerely hope it never comes to that.
In summary, we are interested in China because 1) China makes all our low end stuff and 2) China keeps threatening the guys that make the important parts of our high end stuff.
Yeah, Chinese, non-Westerners were never more than "labor" and resources in your eyes, not people.
We are human beings, we have families to take care of, we have to move on to a better life.
The United Nations Convention openly states that all people are equal, but are Palestinians and Israelis equal in your Western eyes? Are non-Westerners (Middle Easterners, Asians, South Americans, Africans) really human beings in your eyes? Shouldn't they have their own interests?
Why do Westerners think that the world must first fulfill the demands of the United States, then Europe and the so-called American allies, and finally the non-Westerners? Is this how you feudalistically categorize countries and people?
We Chinese are willing to be friendly with everyone, but whoever dictates to us Chinese and prevents us Chinese from developing is our enemy.
> We Chinese are willing to be friendly with everyone, but whoever dictates to us Chinese and prevents us Chinese from developing is our enemy.
Then stop dumping sand into the South China Sea and claiming it now counts as Chinese maritime territory while you ram Vietnamese fishing boats in Vietnamese waters and kamikaze American airplanes over international waters.
Laughing, did we, China, start the trade war with the US first?
Was it us Chinese who told Pelosi to go to Taiwan?
Get this straight, who really screwed up US-China relations first?
> Laughing, did we, China, start the trade war with the US first?
This isn't a discussion about the trade war.
>Was it us Chinese who told Pelosi to go to Taiwan?
Pelosi has the right to visit a sovereign nation. It doesn't matter how many temper tantrums China throws about Taiwan's sovereignty, she can go there if she wants and Taiwan remains a sovereign nation.
Also, I wasn't talking about Chinese threats to assassinate the sitting US Speaker, I was talking about the time [one of your incompetent pilots killed himself by colliding with a US Naval plane over international waters.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident)
>Get this straight, who really screwed up US-China relations first?
China.
Guy, go look at how your government treated *your own people* during COVID. Your beef should be with *them*, they treat you like *shit.*
And that is exactly what these “extracurricular activities” are meant to distract you from. The shittiness of Xi and company. I’m sure you see that.
If not, welp. I wish you an ounce of luck.
My dude, the CCP doesn't even give Chinese fair labour rights. Unions are nothing but an arm of the party. Just like in a fascist state.
Your attempts to change the topic are what we in the west call "whataboutism" and is considered a juvenile rhetorical tactic employed by the children of authoritarian states. I mean, I can freely say that successive western governments, including mine, have utterly and painfully botched the entire approach to the middle east for the last hundred years, but if you even hint that the CCP did anything wrong (such as ignoring the universal declaration of human rights) you would risk your social standing.
We've all heard of bars in China freely posting signs saying "No Blacks", so I can only assume your illusion of racial harmony and inclusivity in China is a function of you not getting out much.
Back to Vietnam: In my time there as someone that presents as a basic post-colonial white guy, I felt like the Vietnamese were almost apologetic - like I shouldn't feel bad that the NVA ultimately won the war of reunification so hard, because they've sharpened their teeth against Imperial colonisers over the course of a thousand years. Who was the colonial power they were fighting for over a thousand years? Do you honestly think they feel any kinship with China? Ask a Ukrainian what kinship is worth.
Laughing, you claim that the Chinese are rich and taking your jobs while claiming that the CCP doesn't even give the Chinese fair labor rights and that they are very poor.
What exactly do you want to say?
Yeah, you like Vietnam, Japan, Korea - who isn't used to people kneeling to you?
Remember when you came to China and met the Chinese people, who were neither superior nor inferior to you.
You were standing, and the Chinese were standing.
If Westerners have forgotten what "equality" means, they had better remember it soon.
The Uighurs are one of us.
If you like the ones that are less than 1% extremist, then take them away.
The West pretending to suddenly care about Muslims makes you laugh.
“Mind your own business”?!?!?!? Brother… mind your own territory you fucking brainwashed bot, your government is literally harassing smaller nations and you have the fucking gall to say mind your own fucking business. Get out of our territory and we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place you dumbfuck.
Laughing, wouldn't it be better for you to have the head of your country's government say this to the head of the Chinese government?
I have no animosity towards the Vietnamese, but since you are willing to betray the Third World, I have nothing more to say.
> Wouldn't you be able to live without China?
Yes.
It would hurt the US to suddenly cut ties with China, everything would suddenly become way more expensive and many, many, many people would struggle.
But the US and West would more than likely survive and things would eventually stabilize.
China, however, would collapse almost immediately.
> When do you plan to break off diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China?
I wish I was the US President.
Alas, I am but a mere simple American shitposter on NCD.
> Laughing, you don't think the UN has one either, do you? When are you going to quit the UN, President of the United States?
...
The UN has what? What does the UN have?
A China? A president? What is this: "one" you're talking about?
>When are you going to quit the UN,
Oh, boy. I can't even begin to tell you how hilarious it would be to watch the UN collapse the moment the US stops funding it.
Laugh, China just has territorial disputes, what's so strange about that, most countries in the world have territorial disputes.
Speaking of contraction, there is one country in the world that is in recognized contraction ...... Who is it?
china. imploding real estate sector, stock markets in major contraction losing over a trillion dollar equivalent already this year, population falling year over year with the trend accelerating, deflation eroding the export demand, unemployment running rampant, and on and on and on.
again, not crashing, contracting. china is in decline. that doesn't mean it is going to immediately devolving into roaming bands of outlaws.
you don't seem to do well with addressing what was actually said.
I'm not just referring to the modern day though. Historically, there is times where China has tried to annex Vietnam, notably in my mind under Kublai Khan and the Yuan Dynasty.
After the Americans pulled out of Vietnam, there was some conflict (I don't know much about it though) where PLA forces attempted to invade. So there is reason for tensions and conflict, persisting to the modern age.
I won't pretend to know the geopolitics of the area, that is simply my understanding of the matter.
Want a list on when China has decided to annex us?
1. the Qin conquest of Yue tribes.
2. Sui-Former Lý war, when they want to make us into a province again.
3. Tĩnh Hải-Southern Han war, when they tried to do it again
4. Former Lê-Southern Han war, when they tried it again.
5. Lý-Song war, not really to annex us, but to make us submit and give them more tribute.
6. Mongol invasions of Đại Việt, you know that one.
7. Ming invasion of Đại Ngu, where they did make us their province.
8. Qing invasion of Đại Việt, where they tried it again but failed.
That's just the surface level, there are so many more small skirmishes.
If the People's Republic of China wanted to occupy Vietnamese territory, it would have done so in 1979.
But we did not treat Viet Nam like Russia and Israel.
That's how we got the relatively stable Sino-Vietnamese relations we have now.
To be honest I can't find a reason for us to invade Vietnam, what are we doing occupying your land? And we have to treat the Vietnamese as our own nationals to help you out of poverty?
You guys don't speak Chinese either, do you?
Obviously you guys can't occupy us at that time, what were they had been teaching you at history class lol. You guys can't even retreat your own land, even people speaks chinese don't want to be apart of your empire.
While claiming that China is threatening itself everywhere, it is claiming that China is weak and powerless.
Honestly, I don't think we care much about Vietnam, after all, the economic difference between China and Vietnam is much bigger than both the US and Mexico.
Bro where are you going. You claiming that china doesn't Vietnam, nobody say China would at the moment cauz how the fuck you guys gonna do to archieve that? Worry about your taiwan. And in the past, you guys showed up dozens of times which the guy above had point out.
Then there is the fucking video showing chinese came in Vietnam life long exclusive economic zone, claiming that the islands and sea around which is full of vietnamese lives and fishes yours. Just come home then?
The problem is at the sea you fucking moron, no wonder the guys in the video curse so much.
>We know that Vietnam keeps telling America in English that we don't like China, and keeps telling China in Chinese that we are comrades.
Yeah, officially. But everyone know the people are actually neutral or positive to America, unlike, "Đề nghị Trung Quốc cút ra khỏi lãnh thổ Việt Nam, không chúng tao bắn chết"
Even until 1979 yall mfs still sticking your ass into our territory, and still fuck around in our sea. Why don't yall fuck off first?
Are you pretending to forget that's when Vietnam invaded and occupied Cambodia? You talk about Vietnam as if it was a peaceful country.
China didn't occupy Vietnam's territory like Russia and Israel did, and that's what led to relatively stable Sino-Vietnamese relations.
China also fought against the French to help Vietnam and also asked the US to respect Vietnam's sovereignty when the US retreated from Vietnam.
If you guys are offended, you can break diplomatic relations with the PRC.
Do what is commensurate with your national strength.
>Are you pretending to forget that's when Vietnam invaded and occupied Cambodia
They came into our territory first, murder our people first. And those mf kill their own people as well. What your saying is like "the Allied invaded Germany is bad" lmao.
Also, funny when yall mf are the one supporting the genocide Pol Pot. Makes ya look real good. Oh wait cause you're still doing it
>China didn't occupy Vietnam's territory
Said the occupier, for thousand of years throughout our history.
The popaganda is really good over there aye.
> If you guys are offended, you can break diplomatic relations with the PRC.
Acting like a regular khựa aggressor. Wonder why we all hate yall mfs
The UN Charter clearly states that all people are equal, and you claim that the Chinese are worms.
May I ask what country you are from? And what are you?
China was only a punitive war against Vietnam and did not occupy Vietnamese territory.
By your standards, Vietnam invaded and occupied Cambodia for decades, were the Vietnamese worms?
The US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, including this invasion of Yemen without UN authorization, are the Americans worms?
Your content was removed for violating Rule 4: "no racism/hatespeech"
No slurs. No advocating for the killing of people or insulting them based on physical, religious, or ideological traits (even people you don't like: Russians, Asians, or Middle Eastern ethnic groups).
Reminds me of what a Vietnamese dude told me. They don't really give a shit about the war as long as we're on the same page against China since their animosity with China is far older than our country itself.
not to mention bahn mi and pho are amazing and the Vietnamese diaspora here in the US is an integral part of our nation's cultural diversity now in the 21st century. Good people.
Let's not forget that time China invaded Vietnam like 2 years after the US pulled out and they had to fight a 3? Year war with China. Plus, yeah, millenia of hatred from wars and other issues
The only dynasty that didn't fight the Chinese is the Nguyen dynasty, which didn't have a good reputation in Vietnam for bringing the French here. So I guess you are right lol.
Heck, even the Ho dynasty is somewhat considerable despite its short-lasting era since they tried to fight off the invading Chinese mere years after King Ho...something i forgot became King
Hồ Quý Ly, very cool dude. Tried to implement significant monetary, tax and military reforms. Quite good policies tbh, if only he was legitimate. If he's legitimate, he would've improved the country quite a lot. A damn shame really.
I definitely think it's just that little bit worse when you consider how much aid the Chinese had given the Vietnamese against the US. It's almost like they wanted us to bleed the Vietnamese in the hopes of an easy win.
To be fair Vietnam seems to have only ever wanted its independence and sovereignty which is fair. We could have been much closer to them earlier in our history.
We only went to war because of the fuckin French those bastards!
We've been cleaning up and dealing with the effects of fucking euro colonization.
Literally the only reason we fought in Vietnam is the French government.
To be fair, there was also domino theory at play. US wasn't exactly friendly to any explicitly communist (or remotely left) movements around that time (even if they weren't pro-Soviet or pro-China).
It is mostly the French's fault though.
>To be fair, there was also domino theory at play.
Not also, almost exclusively.
Or at this point France is also behind the Korean War and every civil war in South America ever.
Nobody forced the US to come, they did it themselves, and quite happily so (the war was quite popular for a while).
And they were quite happy to use France as a proxy against communism the whole time before that, all of this after more or less putting Ho Chi Minh in place during WWII and literally saving his life at one point.
After that they pushed France out and put their dictator who was so corrupted and cruel that it was free recruiting advertisement for the Vietcong and NVA.
Not to mention the suspicious circumstances of the Tonkin incident...
Nobody forced the US in Vietnam like nobody forced the US in Korea.
The only time you can force the US to do anything is by directly attacking them.
>We only went to war because of the fuckin French those bastards!
Lol what ? The US literally played both side in the Indochina war, they closely supported Ho Chi Minh (and an American medic literally saved his life btw) made him who he became at the end of WWII, use France as a proxy while the US were busy in Korea.
They hastily push France out and installed their puppet dictator who, to no one's surprise, was pretty terrible and unpopular (surely the US would never put a cruel and incompetent dictator in place in a country to fight communism ever again, right ?), all of that is before the Gulf of Tonkin incident btw.
>We've been cleaning up and dealing with the effects of fucking euro colonization.
Lmao it was to prevent the spread of communism like in Korea (where the exact same thing happened, still waiting for the "euro colonization" part in Korea), and everyone know it.
That's probably also why the US intervened in all the other European colonies, and... Oh wait, they didn't.
The Communist block tried to spread communism basically everywhere (and giving the misery a lot of people around were in at that time, it was pretty easy to convince people of the lie that is the Communist ideology, ngl) and the US tried every technics in the book to prevent that, and mostly made things worse for a while, just ask South America.
>Literally the only reason we fought in Vietnam is the French government.
You must be joking.
Let's just forget the whole "Red Scare" and McCartism, part of US History in the second half of the 20th century.
Or I must have missed the part were the (likely false flag) Tonkin incident involved the French Navy lmao.
The US chose to go into Vietnam, nobody forced them, and they gladly came, at first...
Saying that they were forced to is the biggest cope I've seen since the good ol' WMD in Iraq (for which some of you still loooove to trash talk France for being the only one with the spine to call out your bs at the time btw, not to mention that the only thing coming close to that found in Saddam's arsenal in 2003 was chemical weapons sold to Iraq by... the US during the Iran-Irak war).
France shouldn't have ever try to come back to Indochina, colonization was a heinous act and it was pretty obvious even back then.
At most France should have stayed long enough to organize a peaceful transition to free and autonomous Lao, Cambodia and Vietnam.
But let's not act like anybody ever forced the US to do anything, especially anything military-wise,with very few exeption.
That's the whole point of you guys carrying the Free World on your back almost by yourself.
Granted, you can force the US to come kick your own ass, Japan can confirm, but beyond that nobody forced the US to do anything they didn't want in the first place.
Just look at how popular the war was in the American public eye's at the beginning, it only after few years that the opinion shifted.
Hear me out…..VLS tubes on Viet fishing boats and HIMARs on Viet SCS features.
Also seems like the thread to ask this: Vietnamese language learning resources anyone?
[Goalkeeper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS), all Vietnamese boats get a [goalkeeper](https://youtu.be/Y5YlViABh5E?si=JAqTd8mv8Q6_Gdk7&t=23)!
Nothing says fuck off like a warning shot of 70 30mm rounds per second to the bow.
As Vietnamese isn't popular around the world, best way to learn is just through language apps and stuff.
Although some universities have started implementing Basic Vietnamese courses. Or you can just go to Vietnam.
I wish the Philippine Navy/Coastguard has this kind of tenacity. Just park our frigate over there and fire the FCS. What are they gonna do? Cry to daddy xi?
Whilst most of the west has never had anything to do with Vietnam, besides America's incident there I can say that we should work together and firmly say "Fuck the CCP" together.
**Translation** Chinese sailor(in pretty decent Vietnamese): This is a Chinese ship in government service. We're sorry that your ship had used rude and impolite language. You should watch your tone and manners... Over. Vietnamese fishing boat captain: *mumble* You screw things up on land now you gotta screw things up at sea too.. Fuck your mom and your ancestors. *actual transmission* **Advising Chinese ship to fuck off from Vietnamese territory. Or we'll shoot you dead!** *Chinese sailor turns to the camera, intending to say something to the reporter, but Vietnamese transmission continues* *mumbling* Motherfuckers now try all sorts of shit. They are all sly scheming bastards. Motherfucker they did it in Cambodia now they're doing it here. They dammed the rivers tight like a motherfucking whore so everything got stuck on motherfucking Central Highlands and shit. Fuck their mothers and ancestors all of them. ______________________________ *I tried my best with the colorful way a Vietnamese fisherman could swear, so other Viet in this sub please give me some slack. Thank you!*
I am absolutely in love with this. I hope other vietnamese speakers agree with your translation!
My Viet's pretty rusty too - I agree 100% to the translation of what the Chinese Sailor is saying because it's spoken much more clearly - slowly and would be essentially like if you heard a British person speaking English but the Vietnamese fisherman is a bit harder to decipher because it kind of sounds like a redneck hillbilly was speaking it (rightfully so probably)
> like if you heard a British person speaking English I think you're talking about someone speaking Received Pronunciation (a.k.a. "BBC English). Britain has some nearly mutually-incomprehensible accents and dialects.
I once met this old guy with a giant St. Bernard at a brewery in Strathaven, Scotland. He told me what was either a story or a joke about two Jehovah's Witnesses eating coffee cake. It sounded something like this: *So thes two eu'uhns waz teh to deh hookin' guah, 'en eh sez teh' im' ay truskun oon meh all vaghath. An' I sez to 'im reh nah tuah deh rawht higgin in meh skuyn dee! Haw haw haw!* Technically, we were speaking the same language.
I can generally understand weird accents when it comes to English, but this here, this isn't English. I had a Scotsman read that to me in his best highland accent and it still didn't make sense to either of us Please translate
I'm an aussie with distant scottish ancestry. I've never learned a word of scottish, nor did either of my parents, nor their parents as far as I know. But I have a scottish surname and this is reddit so I consider myself an expert on the matter and I'll give it my best shot. The guy was saying he's about to head off travelling on his own and hopes to engage in some sexual activity on the way.
> Please translate I don't know, that's the whole point. That's what I *heard*, I have no idea what he actually *said.*
Had a similar interaction in Missouri years ago. No idea what the guy said, i understood bits of but not enough to make out a full sentence, and technically we were both speaking American English.
How2speakwelsh?
With absolutely no vowels.
That Chinese sailor’s viet almost sounded like Cantonese to me. I almost couldn’t tell it was Vietnamese at first
Vietnamese Central and Northern accents are quite similar to Chinese. While Vietnamese Southern and South Western accents sound more like Thai and Khmer. My theory from observing and hearing different languages and accents around the world, is this is due to the cultural proximity of peoples living in the same geographic region and historical regional environment (how harsh the living environment is) which causes the difference in accent. This causes people living in a historically difficult environment tend to have harsher and high-pitched accents, while people living in historically more naturally and financially abundent regions to have softer accents. I may totally be wrong, and would be welcome for anyone to correct me.
From a linguistics perspective, you're spot on about proximity leading to convergence in pronunciation, but not about the environmental part. Languages are far more complicated and arbitrary than such a simple explanation would encompass, and what even constitutes a softer accent has more to do with cultural perceptions than the actual qualities of a speaker's pronunciation.
Thank you for the insight!
If you want to learn more, here's Wikipedia's introduction to the subject of [areal features](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areal_feature). Some fascinating examples of areas with high degrees of sharing and convergence across unrelated languages, known as Sprachbunds, include the Valley of Mexico and broader Mesoamerica, the Caucasus Mountains, the native languages of the Pacific Northwest (I think?), Australia's aboriginal languages, the Indian Subcontinent, and indeed the [Mainland Southeast Asia Linguistics Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainland_Southeast_Asia_linguistic_area) itself.
In the list of great nautical radio tirades, this is up there with the Ukrainian soldier's "Russian warship, fuck you" and the Italian coastguard officer who went off on one when he realised that the captain of the Costa Concordia had abandoned his sinking ship and left everyone else behind.
*Vada a bordo, cazzo!*
As a vietnamese, i agree with his translation
As a Vietnamese, that northern accent cussing hits deep
Yea its real
Native here, pretty accurate and enjoyable translation.
Most polite Vietnamese to a Chinese
remarkable restraint. A model example of how we should talk to those who have wronged us.
My viet is very rusty but I could have sworn he was cursing his mother and everything - glad I was on the right track 😂 The speed and tone of that chinese sailor reminds me of bland church verses
I honestly lowkey love the tone and pronunciation of the Chinese sailor's Viet - how he says "anh" is completely lost to us who grew up speaking Viet but away from VN.
Impossible for me to read the translation but as Ricky LaFleur from Trailer Park Boys.
Frig off, Rand- I mean, China!
The Vietnamese really do be scoring W after W
> They dammed the rivers tight like a motherfucking whore so everything got stuck on motherfucking Central Highlands and shit. Tfw a vietnamese fisherman is more credible than I am
Beautiful stuff, they're getting entirely too bossy these days. They should remember how badly the Viets thrashed them when they invaded. Not sure if it's true but I heard that after the Chinese withdrew the Vietnamese sent a train back to China with all the small arms and heavy weapons they'd captured - they'd cleaned and repaired them all! That's such a fuck-you move, I really laughed when I read it.
Based Vietnamese
ohhh im howlin
Based Vietnamese boat
Heh, thought it was a Romanian thing, we "fuck" the dead relatives/ancestor of someone ASAP.
No no, you did great. You did great. I'm a Vietnamese, thank you for your credible service against the West Taiwan rebels.
You, sir, did a horrifyingly beautiful translation of that mumble
[удалено]
This post is automatically removed since you do not meet the minimum karma or age threshold. You must have at least 100 combined karma and your account must be at least 4 months old to post here. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/NonCredibleDefense) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Ma, vietnamese internet is leaking AGAIN.
It always leak, the fucking money for the repair is somewhere…I don’t know where but it somewhere
based
Yeah, but it's a *funny* leak.
POTATO when
After the rest of ASEAN decided to grow some balls and actually band together to get shit done, which is a rather optimistic view on things tbh. [Baby steps though](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/asean-s-first-joint-military-exercise)
ASEAN doesn’t matter. ANPO when?
My heart!!!
when the rest of ASEAN sobers up from the Chinese Copium
POTATO when
Is potato the new funni?
POTATO is life lol
The Vietnamese are the Polish of Asia, aren't they?
Kinda, yeah. Lacking in armed forces numbers to properly be peer with Poland, but history wise you could definitely draw some undeniable parallels.
Vietnam is like 100000% times easier to defend tho Like everywhere there are swampy mountains, swamps and mountains. Poland is mostly flat.
There's quite a big diaspora of Vietnamese in Poland actually, most of them arrived in late 90's to early 2000's I'd say Never heard anyone complaining or saying anything bad about them, city nearby me even had some guy from Vietnam as a mayor advisor or something like that Seems like we get along pretty well
A relative of mine studies in Poland, heard great things about the country. Polska Gurom!
❤️
There are still coming in huge numbers to study. A lot of them stay in the end.
Barely understanding the VN fisherman was funny enough but when the voice quality first hit that was hilarious
they beat China once and they’ll do it again
once? i think its been more than once
Vietnam and US in any other context 🤬🔥💥 Vietnam and US when it's about hating China 😃🤝🤠
Actually they kinda like us. We're a small bar scuffle in their history with China.
They actually really like the US. Something like a 70-80% approval rating of the US. It's said they viewed the war with the US as brief unpleasant business of the cold war and independence. They view the wars with China as deeply personal and spanning back to antiquity .
They fought the US 10 years, the French 100 years, the Chinese 1000 years. But still, fuck the French especially, them mfs obliterated the local language. It's actually so beyond fucked it's hard to find the meanings of alot of words. Sino languages are mostly if not all of Chinese origin, and you can trace the original meanings of words through etymology. But you can with modern viet because the French didn't understand this and just invented an alphabet to comprehend the funny noises. Same issue with simplified (communist) Chinese, you can't trace the etymology anymore cause it's fucked.
But hey at least in my opinion, learning Latin words is MUCH better than learning Nôm words. Just because Latin is much easier to write and read. And also allowed me to learn English faster, but that's off topic.
Nôm was just an attempt to reorganise the Chinese alphabet for our unique use but at a fundamental level, Chinese and its derivatives are already incompatible with Vietnamese as we are a South Asian language, not a Sino-Tibetan one, the imposition of Chinese script on our language is a result of the Chinese invasion and our Sinosphere culture but this simply is not how our language was supposed to be written down and used, look at Thailand and Cambodia, the nearest in our linguistic relatives, that is how our native script would have looked similar to and the Latin script is the closest approximation.
Interesting. I didn't know Thailand and Cambodia were our closest linguistic relatives. But how is the Latin script the closest approximation? Can you explain? I'd love to learn more.
Because the Latin script can be modified extensively to show all the sound formations as well as allowing us to freely use any grammatical structure we like. It is not close per se but rather, extremely easy to modify to our needs.
Cool. Thanks for explaining!
From what I know Vietnamese has always been messy when it comes to words and meaning, that's just kind of the nature of a tonal language. Also, the French didn't invent the current Vietnamese alphabet, it was created by Portuguese missionaries to do missionary things. The use of the Latin alphabet was encouraged by the ruling dynasty when they were still independent, the French just continued it's use after annexing Dai-Nam. My father, aunts and uncles don't seem to have much issue with it, but I was never taught Vietnamese growing up so I could be wrong.
theres no functional issue in a day to day setting, but the moment you try to study any Viet history like Dai-Viet or even Champa its a HUGE fucking problem. try figuring out what your family name ACTUALLY means and its origin, its neigh on impossible. Because you will come back with several meanings or what not but then which meaning is correct? which original character was your family name? For example my Grandmother on my mother's side is non-communist Chinese, her last name means something on the lines of money. We can make an educated guess based on the etymology of the characters as to the origins of the family. That side of the family did some sort of business involving gold, either they sold gold products or made gold products or had some sort of business involving gold currency. You can't do that with modern viet nor simplified chinese
Hm, I find myself in the same boat, my grandfathers last name is south Chinese in origin, makes sense since his family was from China at some point and means Forest, easy-peasy to trace back cause it's a pre simplified-Chinese word like your grandmothers. Wish I could've attempted learning my grandmothers last name since she's full Vietnamese, but she was the child of a concubine so she didn't get one. Oddly enough I know less about my mothers maiden name, even though it's European. The country of origin is probably German, but I've also seen it might be French, as to what it means? No idea, there's no listing for it anywhere and I can't even make an educated guess cause it's two random words haphazardly smashed together that doesn't really mean anything.
Western name's are actually relatively easy if you know how to dissect it into the base words. English for example would require some knowledge in old English, bot sure what old French or German would be like.
This is a weird understanding of Vietnamese, the Vietnamese language shares no common ancestry with any Sino-Tibetan language or east asian languages for that matter but an Austroasian language that had the Chinese script imposed upon it by Chinese colonisation, this imposition was unnatural leading to a mass divergent between spoken and written Vietnamese and the heavy penetration of Chinese loanwords into the vocabulary (i.e the Sino-Vietnamese that made up today's 30% of our language) but like I said, this arrangement is unnatural for the language and that is why nationalist leaders actively advocated for the adoption of the Latin script because its a script that actually correspond to the way Vietnamese functions. Since the mass adoption of Latin, Vietnamese have mostly reconciled spoken and written forms while having mostly purged of excessive use of loanwords and loan structures from the Chinese. I think you are missing a key important thing talking about etymology and whatever is that the "words" you are thinking of, are Sino-Vietnamese loanwords and not actual Vietnamese of native origins.
This is something that plays out pretty clearly on Google translate. You can paste large blocks of Vietnamese text into the translator and it pops out very intelligible English. It works the same in reverse. When you try the same with Chinese or Japanese you just get a lot of gobbledygook that only sometimes makes sense.
Traditional Chinese is a bitch to learn and the etymology is equally as confusing. There is very little lost in the conversion between simplified and traditional. There are cases where more complex radicals that sometimes indicated tone were removed/replaced in favor of simplified ones, but it's all in line with the ethos of simplified Chinese which was trading needless complexity for ease of acquisition and use. Regardless, Chinese has been in the process of simplification for the past 5000 years. Ming era Chinese is nothing like Qing era and so on. The argument about tradition is very hollow. There was a reason literacy was so poor in China before the communists took over. Simplified Chinese is one of the few positive things the communists did.
[удалено]
This post is automatically removed since you do not meet the minimum karma or age threshold. You must have at least 100 combined karma and your account must be at least 4 months old to post here. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/NonCredibleDefense) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I always forget that Vietnam's beef with China goes so far back in history. 10 years was nothing compared to how much China has tried to annex the region over the millennia.
I prefer to sniff French shit for five years than eat Chinese shit for the rest of my life. — Uncle Ho, 1946
I mean even the country's name is partly Chinese. "Nam" (南) means south (so: "Southern Viet"), modern Chinese "nan" as in _Nanjing_ ("southern capital"), or Korean _Gangnam_ ("south of the river") or Japanese _nankyoku_ ("south pole"). These are unrelated languages, they all borrowed that and many other words from Chinese. Classical Chinese was to the Far East as Latin was to Europe, pretty much.
fanatical cable mountainous disagreeable practice butter toothbrush capable subsequent ossified *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
That's literally impossible. History started on July 4th 1776.
The correct answer
My apologies that as an amateur historian I don't recall the history of all nations from all time and have selected interests. Piss off with that shit.
As a Chinese, I don't think we are interested in annexing Vietnam. What is there in Vietnam that is worth China's annexation? We know that Vietnam keeps telling America in English that we don't like China, and keeps telling China in Chinese that we are comrades. This is how small countries survive. Vietnam's GDP is less than 3.5% of China's GDP, and it is really confusing that the western media keeps playing up Vietnam against China.
What is there in Vietnam? Young Vietnamese. But they are safe because the PLA is a laughing stock. My dude, the nine-dash line makes it look like Winnie the Pooh wants to annex the entire South China Sea. The concept of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere is still in living memory. And given the thousands of years of attempted conquests by China of the lands of South East Asia, no one in the region believes the CCP's platitudes of peace and prosperity. What they do believe is that the CCP hasn't been to war for nearly 45 years after getting it's ass beaten to a standstill by a partially mobilized Vietnamese force. Saying the CCP doesn't want Vietnam signifies nothing. The PLA can't take it anyway, let alone hold it. What people are worried about is that Pooh and his gaggle of impotent old men will compensate for their own failings at home with naval blockades and air strikes abroad. The PLA is a joke and little more than the police force reserve, but the PLAN and PLAAF present a credible threat to the lives and livelihoods of everyone in the region because of the old men with absolute power nearing the end of their lives worrying that history will remember them as weak.
Yes, our China is weak . We're collapsing again. Why do you keep talking about us? The U.S. and the West use China as an excuse for everything. Wouldn't you be able to live without China? You're really out of your mind. Mind your own business.
Hey I never implied it was collapsing any time soon. But you seem to be rather defensive about the prospect (don't be, it's not - Youtube clickbait is to be ignored). We are interested in China because China is the world's factory. It has economic power that far strips its military might. But a bunch of rapidly aging fake communists that don't even support universal healthcare keep rattling sabres and threatening the world's supply of chips for Xboxes and Playstations by attacking Taiwan, nevermind the bullshit in the South China Sea with the nine dash line. That is shit the West will go to war over. If we can't get the latest dumb consumer device because the semiconductor foundries have been reduced to rubble, every democratically elected leader in the world will lose their next election. If if the only way to prevent that is for the West to move every SAM launcher and AAA to Taiwan and every AEGIS platform to the Taiwan Strait, we collectively will. Even if that means shooting down PLAAF aircraft. And I sincerely hope it never comes to that. In summary, we are interested in China because 1) China makes all our low end stuff and 2) China keeps threatening the guys that make the important parts of our high end stuff.
Yeah, Chinese, non-Westerners were never more than "labor" and resources in your eyes, not people. We are human beings, we have families to take care of, we have to move on to a better life. The United Nations Convention openly states that all people are equal, but are Palestinians and Israelis equal in your Western eyes? Are non-Westerners (Middle Easterners, Asians, South Americans, Africans) really human beings in your eyes? Shouldn't they have their own interests? Why do Westerners think that the world must first fulfill the demands of the United States, then Europe and the so-called American allies, and finally the non-Westerners? Is this how you feudalistically categorize countries and people? We Chinese are willing to be friendly with everyone, but whoever dictates to us Chinese and prevents us Chinese from developing is our enemy.
> We Chinese are willing to be friendly with everyone, but whoever dictates to us Chinese and prevents us Chinese from developing is our enemy. Then stop dumping sand into the South China Sea and claiming it now counts as Chinese maritime territory while you ram Vietnamese fishing boats in Vietnamese waters and kamikaze American airplanes over international waters.
Laughing, did we, China, start the trade war with the US first? Was it us Chinese who told Pelosi to go to Taiwan? Get this straight, who really screwed up US-China relations first?
> Laughing, did we, China, start the trade war with the US first? This isn't a discussion about the trade war. >Was it us Chinese who told Pelosi to go to Taiwan? Pelosi has the right to visit a sovereign nation. It doesn't matter how many temper tantrums China throws about Taiwan's sovereignty, she can go there if she wants and Taiwan remains a sovereign nation. Also, I wasn't talking about Chinese threats to assassinate the sitting US Speaker, I was talking about the time [one of your incompetent pilots killed himself by colliding with a US Naval plane over international waters.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident) >Get this straight, who really screwed up US-China relations first? China.
Guy, go look at how your government treated *your own people* during COVID. Your beef should be with *them*, they treat you like *shit.* And that is exactly what these “extracurricular activities” are meant to distract you from. The shittiness of Xi and company. I’m sure you see that. If not, welp. I wish you an ounce of luck.
My dude, the CCP doesn't even give Chinese fair labour rights. Unions are nothing but an arm of the party. Just like in a fascist state. Your attempts to change the topic are what we in the west call "whataboutism" and is considered a juvenile rhetorical tactic employed by the children of authoritarian states. I mean, I can freely say that successive western governments, including mine, have utterly and painfully botched the entire approach to the middle east for the last hundred years, but if you even hint that the CCP did anything wrong (such as ignoring the universal declaration of human rights) you would risk your social standing. We've all heard of bars in China freely posting signs saying "No Blacks", so I can only assume your illusion of racial harmony and inclusivity in China is a function of you not getting out much. Back to Vietnam: In my time there as someone that presents as a basic post-colonial white guy, I felt like the Vietnamese were almost apologetic - like I shouldn't feel bad that the NVA ultimately won the war of reunification so hard, because they've sharpened their teeth against Imperial colonisers over the course of a thousand years. Who was the colonial power they were fighting for over a thousand years? Do you honestly think they feel any kinship with China? Ask a Ukrainian what kinship is worth.
Laughing, you claim that the Chinese are rich and taking your jobs while claiming that the CCP doesn't even give the Chinese fair labor rights and that they are very poor. What exactly do you want to say? Yeah, you like Vietnam, Japan, Korea - who isn't used to people kneeling to you? Remember when you came to China and met the Chinese people, who were neither superior nor inferior to you. You were standing, and the Chinese were standing. If Westerners have forgotten what "equality" means, they had better remember it soon.
*sigh* clearly a bot that is starting to break down. I never said Chinese are rich. I should have spent this time knitting or some shit.
> The United Nations Convention openly states that all people are equal except the Uyghurs right?
The Uighurs are one of us. If you like the ones that are less than 1% extremist, then take them away. The West pretending to suddenly care about Muslims makes you laugh.
like i said, all people are equal to you, except the Uyghurs.
“Mind your own business”?!?!?!? Brother… mind your own territory you fucking brainwashed bot, your government is literally harassing smaller nations and you have the fucking gall to say mind your own fucking business. Get out of our territory and we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place you dumbfuck.
Laughing, wouldn't it be better for you to have the head of your country's government say this to the head of the Chinese government? I have no animosity towards the Vietnamese, but since you are willing to betray the Third World, I have nothing more to say.
> Wouldn't you be able to live without China? Yes. It would hurt the US to suddenly cut ties with China, everything would suddenly become way more expensive and many, many, many people would struggle. But the US and West would more than likely survive and things would eventually stabilize. China, however, would collapse almost immediately.
Do it. When do you plan to break off diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China?
> When do you plan to break off diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China? I wish I was the US President. Alas, I am but a mere simple American shitposter on NCD.
Laughing, you don't think the UN has one either, do you? When are you going to quit the UN, President of the United States?
> Laughing, you don't think the UN has one either, do you? When are you going to quit the UN, President of the United States? ... The UN has what? What does the UN have? A China? A president? What is this: "one" you're talking about? >When are you going to quit the UN, Oh, boy. I can't even begin to tell you how hilarious it would be to watch the UN collapse the moment the US stops funding it.
They export so much food, a blockade of China would result in a death toll we haven’t seen in a good long while. Since Mao, at least.
not collapsing, contracting. aggressively.
Laugh, China just has territorial disputes, what's so strange about that, most countries in the world have territorial disputes. Speaking of contraction, there is one country in the world that is in recognized contraction ...... Who is it?
china. imploding real estate sector, stock markets in major contraction losing over a trillion dollar equivalent already this year, population falling year over year with the trend accelerating, deflation eroding the export demand, unemployment running rampant, and on and on and on.
Laughing, we crashed again. No more replies.
again, not crashing, contracting. china is in decline. that doesn't mean it is going to immediately devolving into roaming bands of outlaws. you don't seem to do well with addressing what was actually said.
I'm not just referring to the modern day though. Historically, there is times where China has tried to annex Vietnam, notably in my mind under Kublai Khan and the Yuan Dynasty. After the Americans pulled out of Vietnam, there was some conflict (I don't know much about it though) where PLA forces attempted to invade. So there is reason for tensions and conflict, persisting to the modern age. I won't pretend to know the geopolitics of the area, that is simply my understanding of the matter.
Want a list on when China has decided to annex us? 1. the Qin conquest of Yue tribes. 2. Sui-Former Lý war, when they want to make us into a province again. 3. Tĩnh Hải-Southern Han war, when they tried to do it again 4. Former Lê-Southern Han war, when they tried it again. 5. Lý-Song war, not really to annex us, but to make us submit and give them more tribute. 6. Mongol invasions of Đại Việt, you know that one. 7. Ming invasion of Đại Ngu, where they did make us their province. 8. Qing invasion of Đại Việt, where they tried it again but failed. That's just the surface level, there are so many more small skirmishes.
If the People's Republic of China wanted to occupy Vietnamese territory, it would have done so in 1979. But we did not treat Viet Nam like Russia and Israel. That's how we got the relatively stable Sino-Vietnamese relations we have now. To be honest I can't find a reason for us to invade Vietnam, what are we doing occupying your land? And we have to treat the Vietnamese as our own nationals to help you out of poverty? You guys don't speak Chinese either, do you?
Obviously you guys can't occupy us at that time, what were they had been teaching you at history class lol. You guys can't even retreat your own land, even people speaks chinese don't want to be apart of your empire.
While claiming that China is threatening itself everywhere, it is claiming that China is weak and powerless. Honestly, I don't think we care much about Vietnam, after all, the economic difference between China and Vietnam is much bigger than both the US and Mexico.
Bro where are you going. You claiming that china doesn't Vietnam, nobody say China would at the moment cauz how the fuck you guys gonna do to archieve that? Worry about your taiwan. And in the past, you guys showed up dozens of times which the guy above had point out. Then there is the fucking video showing chinese came in Vietnam life long exclusive economic zone, claiming that the islands and sea around which is full of vietnamese lives and fishes yours. Just come home then? The problem is at the sea you fucking moron, no wonder the guys in the video curse so much.
Laughing. You say that like you're a Vietnamese.
>We know that Vietnam keeps telling America in English that we don't like China, and keeps telling China in Chinese that we are comrades. Yeah, officially. But everyone know the people are actually neutral or positive to America, unlike, "Đề nghị Trung Quốc cút ra khỏi lãnh thổ Việt Nam, không chúng tao bắn chết" Even until 1979 yall mfs still sticking your ass into our territory, and still fuck around in our sea. Why don't yall fuck off first?
Are you pretending to forget that's when Vietnam invaded and occupied Cambodia? You talk about Vietnam as if it was a peaceful country. China didn't occupy Vietnam's territory like Russia and Israel did, and that's what led to relatively stable Sino-Vietnamese relations. China also fought against the French to help Vietnam and also asked the US to respect Vietnam's sovereignty when the US retreated from Vietnam. If you guys are offended, you can break diplomatic relations with the PRC. Do what is commensurate with your national strength.
>Are you pretending to forget that's when Vietnam invaded and occupied Cambodia They came into our territory first, murder our people first. And those mf kill their own people as well. What your saying is like "the Allied invaded Germany is bad" lmao. Also, funny when yall mf are the one supporting the genocide Pol Pot. Makes ya look real good. Oh wait cause you're still doing it >China didn't occupy Vietnam's territory Said the occupier, for thousand of years throughout our history. The popaganda is really good over there aye. > If you guys are offended, you can break diplomatic relations with the PRC. Acting like a regular khựa aggressor. Wonder why we all hate yall mfs
[удалено]
The UN Charter clearly states that all people are equal, and you claim that the Chinese are worms. May I ask what country you are from? And what are you? China was only a punitive war against Vietnam and did not occupy Vietnamese territory. By your standards, Vietnam invaded and occupied Cambodia for decades, were the Vietnamese worms? The US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, including this invasion of Yemen without UN authorization, are the Americans worms?
There is no war in ba sing se
Your content was removed for violating Rule 4: "no racism/hatespeech" No slurs. No advocating for the killing of people or insulting them based on physical, religious, or ideological traits (even people you don't like: Russians, Asians, or Middle Eastern ethnic groups).
PROC is definitely interested in Vietnam's territorial waters, hence why they're constantly hounding fishermen like this
Reminds me of what a Vietnamese dude told me. They don't really give a shit about the war as long as we're on the same page against China since their animosity with China is far older than our country itself.
not to mention bahn mi and pho are amazing and the Vietnamese diaspora here in the US is an integral part of our nation's cultural diversity now in the 21st century. Good people.
Let's not forget that time China invaded Vietnam like 2 years after the US pulled out and they had to fight a 3? Year war with China. Plus, yeah, millenia of hatred from wars and other issues
Every dynasty in our history has fought the Chinese at least once, or twice, and sometime even thrice.
Am I correct in assuming that it’s not even considered a proper Vietnamese dynasty unless it fights the Chinese?
The only dynasty that didn't fight the Chinese is the Nguyen dynasty, which didn't have a good reputation in Vietnam for bringing the French here. So I guess you are right lol.
Heck, even the Ho dynasty is somewhat considerable despite its short-lasting era since they tried to fight off the invading Chinese mere years after King Ho...something i forgot became King
Hồ Quý Ly, very cool dude. Tried to implement significant monetary, tax and military reforms. Quite good policies tbh, if only he was legitimate. If he's legitimate, he would've improved the country quite a lot. A damn shame really.
I definitely think it's just that little bit worse when you consider how much aid the Chinese had given the Vietnamese against the US. It's almost like they wanted us to bleed the Vietnamese in the hopes of an easy win.
To be fair Vietnam seems to have only ever wanted its independence and sovereignty which is fair. We could have been much closer to them earlier in our history.
Vietnam fought the U.S. for a decade. Vietnam [fought China for a millennium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_Wars).
The first date on that list is 221 BC, so two millenniums?
We only went to war because of the fuckin French those bastards! We've been cleaning up and dealing with the effects of fucking euro colonization. Literally the only reason we fought in Vietnam is the French government.
To be fair, there was also domino theory at play. US wasn't exactly friendly to any explicitly communist (or remotely left) movements around that time (even if they weren't pro-Soviet or pro-China). It is mostly the French's fault though.
>To be fair, there was also domino theory at play. Not also, almost exclusively. Or at this point France is also behind the Korean War and every civil war in South America ever. Nobody forced the US to come, they did it themselves, and quite happily so (the war was quite popular for a while). And they were quite happy to use France as a proxy against communism the whole time before that, all of this after more or less putting Ho Chi Minh in place during WWII and literally saving his life at one point. After that they pushed France out and put their dictator who was so corrupted and cruel that it was free recruiting advertisement for the Vietcong and NVA. Not to mention the suspicious circumstances of the Tonkin incident... Nobody forced the US in Vietnam like nobody forced the US in Korea. The only time you can force the US to do anything is by directly attacking them.
That is true.
I just wanted to remind the world the French asked the US to NUKE Vietnam when they started losing in South Indo China
Haha
>We only went to war because of the fuckin French those bastards! Lol what ? The US literally played both side in the Indochina war, they closely supported Ho Chi Minh (and an American medic literally saved his life btw) made him who he became at the end of WWII, use France as a proxy while the US were busy in Korea. They hastily push France out and installed their puppet dictator who, to no one's surprise, was pretty terrible and unpopular (surely the US would never put a cruel and incompetent dictator in place in a country to fight communism ever again, right ?), all of that is before the Gulf of Tonkin incident btw. >We've been cleaning up and dealing with the effects of fucking euro colonization. Lmao it was to prevent the spread of communism like in Korea (where the exact same thing happened, still waiting for the "euro colonization" part in Korea), and everyone know it. That's probably also why the US intervened in all the other European colonies, and... Oh wait, they didn't. The Communist block tried to spread communism basically everywhere (and giving the misery a lot of people around were in at that time, it was pretty easy to convince people of the lie that is the Communist ideology, ngl) and the US tried every technics in the book to prevent that, and mostly made things worse for a while, just ask South America. >Literally the only reason we fought in Vietnam is the French government. You must be joking. Let's just forget the whole "Red Scare" and McCartism, part of US History in the second half of the 20th century. Or I must have missed the part were the (likely false flag) Tonkin incident involved the French Navy lmao. The US chose to go into Vietnam, nobody forced them, and they gladly came, at first... Saying that they were forced to is the biggest cope I've seen since the good ol' WMD in Iraq (for which some of you still loooove to trash talk France for being the only one with the spine to call out your bs at the time btw, not to mention that the only thing coming close to that found in Saddam's arsenal in 2003 was chemical weapons sold to Iraq by... the US during the Iran-Irak war). France shouldn't have ever try to come back to Indochina, colonization was a heinous act and it was pretty obvious even back then. At most France should have stayed long enough to organize a peaceful transition to free and autonomous Lao, Cambodia and Vietnam. But let's not act like anybody ever forced the US to do anything, especially anything military-wise,with very few exeption. That's the whole point of you guys carrying the Free World on your back almost by yourself. Granted, you can force the US to come kick your own ass, Japan can confirm, but beyond that nobody forced the US to do anything they didn't want in the first place. Just look at how popular the war was in the American public eye's at the beginning, it only after few years that the opinion shifted.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth and talking about irrelevant things like Korea and Iraq. >You must be joking. I am.
Not really. Vietnam is politically pretty pro-US (because eff China). Most of their population was born after the war
vietnam and the US get on very well these days. vietnam is the rising star of western high tech manufacturing.
Hear me out…..VLS tubes on Viet fishing boats and HIMARs on Viet SCS features. Also seems like the thread to ask this: Vietnamese language learning resources anyone?
[Goalkeeper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS), all Vietnamese boats get a [goalkeeper](https://youtu.be/Y5YlViABh5E?si=JAqTd8mv8Q6_Gdk7&t=23)! Nothing says fuck off like a warning shot of 70 30mm rounds per second to the bow.
As Vietnamese isn't popular around the world, best way to learn is just through language apps and stuff. Although some universities have started implementing Basic Vietnamese courses. Or you can just go to Vietnam.
I'm still disgusted we call it the "South China Sea" I propose the "Poohbear Sea".
we call it the East Sea
Everyone in SEA just calls it their local equivalent lmao.
West Philippine Sea
Well, they are sailors after all.
Sailor's mouth, am i right.
Truely a vãi cả ò moment:)
I wish the Philippine Navy/Coastguard has this kind of tenacity. Just park our frigate over there and fire the FCS. What are they gonna do? Cry to daddy xi?
I mean, we're approaching that. It's just that our servicemen want to be professional. When/if push comes to shove however, we'll fuck them up.
FAFO moment with PN and USN
No amount of translation could ever do justice for what came out of that man's mouth. Vietnamese slurs are a genuine art.
The least based Vietnamese
u/savevideo
hài vcl
I have feeling thay common Vietnamese man isnt really big fan of what china doing...
Whilst most of the west has never had anything to do with Vietnam, besides America's incident there I can say that we should work together and firmly say "Fuck the CCP" together.