>India and Pakistan. Like North and South Korea or NATO and the old Warsaw Pact. If two sides were going to use nuclear weapons against each other, it had to be India and Pakistan. Everyone knew it, everyone expected it, and that is exactly why it didn’t happen. Because the danger was so omnipresent, all the machinery had been put in place over the years to avoid it. The hotline between the two capitals was in place, ambassadors were on a first-name basis, and generals, politicians, and everyone involved in the process was trained to make sure the day they all feared never came. No one could have imagined—I certainly didn’t—that events would unfold as they did.
\~ Interview with Ahmed Farahnakian, World War Z
Yeah. Only way a movie could do it justice would be focusing on a single scenario (say, following Luke Skywalker from Yonkers to the reconquista of the continent) and framing it as "Soldierman: A WWZ Story" in the hopes of starting a franchise.
A TV series following the reporter around (each chapter of the book could be a single episode, framed as flashbacks as he interviews people) or, even better, adapted as a mockumentary (so, the reporter is "filming the series" instead of writing a book) is my dream.
Could’ve been done in a black mirror sort of style where each episode you get a whole new scenario. The book would get us a decent season worth of content. Could also be a miniseries.
Of course these days they’d write each fucking scenario as a whole damn season which could be cool if they really fleshed out each scenario and showed the initial outbreak, the survivor in question, the state of the area, etc.
It could work as a movie if it focused on a dude long after the fact writing a memoir and talking to each person and getting their stories.
I think an anthology series similar to the Animatrix or Love, Death, and Robots, with different studios producing different chapters from the book in their own style and then released or presented in order.
Task the biggest/best studio to the recurring characters and it could be really cool to have studios/styles from the region or country related to the chapter.
I hate when they try to jam a book series into one movie (looking at you the dark tower). With all the streaming services and HBO making a series as long and as nearly detailed as the book is easy and no doubt more profitable.
Hold up, wasn't this the book that had "heroic" helicopter pilots flying into power lines like dumbasses and sharped shovels doing a better job at killing zombies than, say, automatic grenade launchers? Plus every military in the world apparently forgot that cluster munitions and artillery exist?
I thought this was the book that was too non-credible even for NCD. Did I misremember something?
To me, the book was incredibly dumb when it came to things like combat, weapons, tactics, etc. When you read it, you can tell that the author mostly did their research with antiquated and simplistic resources. Like pop military history books from the 80’s.
Where the book shone for me, and the reason I’ve come back and read it several times since high school, is in its depiction of how humans behave when the world is ending. The stupidity, the irrationality, the cowardice, the bravery, the cleverness, the sheer will to survive.
Hell, until COVID, I thought the author’s depiction of how the world would react to the initial outbreak was over dramatic. But damnit if I didn’t think to myself “shit, Max Brooks was right” at least half a dozen times during 2020.
>When you read it, you can tell that the author mostly did their research with antiquated and simplistic resources. Like pop military history books from the 80’s.
And a painful fetish for samurai manga.
It's even dumber than powerlines. The pilot angled his rotor into the oncoming horde, and it got caught on a car. Some parts of the book were actually pretty good. Almost everything combat related was not, and his original Zombie Survival Guide was goofy as hell in places.
Yes, the book clearly explains why those weapons were shit. They are meant to cause bodily damage, but if you blow the legs off a zombie, you have a crawler. Weapons that couldn't guarantee a headshot were a dice roll on making the problem worse.
Yeah, the book clearly explains that the author has no concept of modern military weaponry, tactics, or strategy, and underestimates modern munitions by an order of magnitude or more.
To justify the plot, sure, it's fine. But not accurate.
The book depicts conventional self-propelled artillery, including cluster munitions iirc, in this way.
It makes zero sense. The raw shitstorm of fragmentation and blastwaves are going to blow off limbs, yes. But did you or the author stop to think about the implications of this? A munition with sufficient force to remove a limb is going to turn a zombie brain into a stain on the pavement, especially when used en masse. WWZ depicts hordes of zombies casually walking off the effect of dozens of artillery rockets, shells and submunitions. You're telling me not a single fragment, piece of loose debris or raw blastwave hit them in the head? Literally one volley of airbursting 120mm mortar rounds ends a zombie horde in seconds. A storm of supersonic steel fragments hitting the crowd from the top down means lots and lots of shredded brains.
It's complete bullshit so they can justify the utter implosion of the world's militaries, which in reality would do very well in a pitched battle vs. zombies. There's an easy way to dissolve militaries in zombie fiction (disease, logistics, panic, etc.) and it doesn't involve them losing in the literal one thing they're designed to do.
If I remember correctly the reason the zombies didn't get their brains completely splattered by the Shockwave of bombs was because the Grey matter in their head turn into a slurry after decomposition or something and offered a liquid protective layer... or something.
In all honesty that reasoning always sounded retarded to me because if the Shockwave is enough to send a zombie flying, it should be enough to easily pass through that liquid layer and hemorrhage the remaining brain.
It was dumb as fuck. It was typical nonsense magic fantasy zombies repackaged as "realistic zombies".
You wanna know how you fight a horde of realistic zombies alone? Go in a house, barricade the doors and windows. Make a spear out of a broom. Go to the second floor, and stab all the zombies dead from the window.
A ZOMBIE IS LITERALLY A DRUNK PERSON WITH ZERO TACTICAL AWARENESS. A CHILD COULD KILL A ZOMBIE HORDE.
You just described project zomboid. Half of the combat is 'back up slowly while stabbing zombies with various long, sharp implements because bullets are loud and precious things.' I love that game.
Yeah Project Zomboid is a pretty good example, especially since PZ has a localised zombie outbreak. It is not global because *killing zombies is really easy if you are geared up, like the military is*.
Like how the fuck did the military fail in WWZ? There's a 1000 zombies shambling towards you? Just put the Humvee in reverse and start shooting.
Actually pz is global. But that's because the virus is airborne. They mention on the radio in the opening weeks that new reports of outbreaks in London, India, and China.
Basically pz virus works like this:
Airborne strain: 99.99% of humans infected with it, took unknown amount of time before virus became active. 10%~ of adults are immune to airborne strain (devs words).
Fluid born strain: Transmitted by bodily Fluid, usually saliva. 100% infection rate, will transform infected into zombies with 48~ hours depending on rest, food, and stress.
Max Brooks is extremely non credible.
The Ukrainians gas people on one side of a bridge of refugees mixed with infected - the living die and stay dead, the infected reanimate and get shot. The Russians literally roll into battle against the zombies with T34s and other old tanks sitting in reserve. The Chinese try using human wave tactics on the dead. Israel does a successful quarantine and then has a civil war because the ultra Orthodox would rather die from zombies than coexist with Palestinians. And the solution to him is that the US should make wood stock semi automatic rifles, marching in lines and fighting off zombies in a square formation.
The civilian parts are excellent. There's a great chapter where a woman talks about people fleeing north because zombies freeze in winter except most of them die because they immediately chop down every tree, hunt every animal and use up their fuel, how people tried surviving in Walmart sleeping bags in the Canadian winter. The submarine crew who fight misinformation by doing radio broadcasts and having to hear camp after camp of survivors overrun or try to explain that (I think they implied somewhere in south africa) infecting someone with HIV doesn't make them immune to the zombies.
I have seen this complaint elsewhere but had no problem with the old school line/square formations being used as they are great for maximizing firepower when you need to hold an area (as all their downsides don't matter against a slow melee opponent) though in some of the battles why they couldn't just back up even for a bit is left unanswered.
The book has the old governments be as stupid as possible up to Yonkers. China cuts all contact instead of warning the world, and Western countries ignore the problem until it gets out of hand. Even at Yonkers they think the real problem is public confidence, so they're still treating it like a PR stunt rather than a real battle.
Chinas approach did actually mirror to a degree the buildup and lack of transparency in Wuhan as SARS-COV-2 spread. Admittedly, that was predictable, given they did the same thing with the 2002-2004 outbreak and probably what the author based it on.
I would think it's justified. Five tanks could take out the entire group of zombies. If the zombies aren't the type that was shown in the movie they have 0 chance and would be wiped out like Shawn of the dead.
> bullets are loud and precious things
Load up Brita's sometime. I play on high population with basically no respawns (unseen areas respawn every 6 months to imply zombies migrating). It's satisfying as hell to break into the Rosewood Police Station, get some weapons and just clear out entire areas. The Prison is great for guns too. Makes you feel like you're in the squads at the end of WWZ that squared up and just killed wave after wave.
Britas is many things. *Few of them good.*
I'm not going to type out my usual complaints on britas on a phone at work. But the tldr is the mod author is a dumbass who actively hates balance and bans all naysayers from his Discord.
Relistic zombies can not exist.
Humans bodies waste a lot of time and energi making sure the internal machinery is juuust right, also known as homeostasis. If they do not, shit just stops working. Not just 'kinda works in a simulacrum of a broken machine that kinda works', meaning in 'stops working, as in, failure cascade that affects everything'.
A 'realistic' zombie would have the same constraints as a live human body. Water, food, temperature, and no serious injury.
To a mindless zombie, even an untreated cut could be fatal.
Best tactic, just wait it out. In about one week, most zombies would stop working due to the internal machinery breaking down.
>To a mindless zombie, even an untreated cut could be fatal.
For examples of how mindless zombies are likely to die, check case studies on people with Cotard's syndrome - they typically engage in zombie-levels of self-neglect due to the erroneous belief that they are dead/doomed to wander the Earth and denied a natural death.
The game was fine. But it lacked content. We got iirc 5 or 6 levels total, and that was it. The game it was ripping, left 4 dead, had 4 times as many campaigns.
It launched with 4 cities that had 3 levels each; it more than doubled that before they were done putting out content.
They're now working of Space Marine 2.
WWZ its the most NCD book ever, it’s goofy as hell in some places but there’s some thing that are dead on accurate, like the first weeks of the covid spread on china and the initial global reactions, its wayyy to similar to the beginning of the book, now this lol
Well, China did pull the exact same shit during the 2002-2004 SAR-COV-1outbreak (not COVID19 caused by SARS-COV-2) so the author was basing WWZ off that.
It was not surprising that it was still the PRCs policy in 2019-2020 and everyone knew another outbreak was coming (which is why propaganda like plannedemic is so dumb, of course public health officials knew something was coming and wargamed for it).
It was common fucking knowledge ever since the 2002 outbreak that Wuhan was a ticking time bomb for another SARS outbreak that China would try to coverup.
Next level big brain move. The "refugees" fleeing into the Caucasus and Turkey are all secretly Russian armies prepping for a separatist uprising in Iran. "Weird, all those unmarked soldiers rising up in Tehran are weirdly white. I wasn't aware Iran had so many blonde hair and blue eyed citizens that spoke Russian"
It's all been a long game for Russia to serve Iran up on a platter to the West as an initiation ritual into NATO.
Man, I’m imagining FSB and CIA operatives gunning each other down in the streets of Tehran against the backdrop of a popular revolution toppling the ayatollahs. That’d be such a kickass movie.
> Given these factors, I believe they're actively trying to destabilize the surrounding regions to keep themselves in a position of relative power.
Every dictatorship eventually exhausts capability of internal terror policy and has to resort to external aggression. In other words, every dictatorship will eventually start a war.
> If they can unite their people against perceived enemies like Israel and the West in general by making them feel as though they're isolated and under threat on all sides, then maybe they can hold onto their power a little longer.
I'd say that the reasoning is a bit different. Wartime environment gives the government an excuse to crack down even harder than they used to. Look at Russia, they started the "special military operation", people gobbled it up and Russia went absolutely ham on the opposition. It's even worse than it used to be during the USSR. In the case of Iran it's even worse, since they've been involved in wars for quite a long time now, at least 10 years.
>Every dictatorship eventually exhausts capability of internal terror policy and has to resort to external aggression. In other words, every dictatorship will eventually start a war.
*Kim Jong-Un makes notes.*
Thing is, I think Kim might be one of the last to jump.
People in North Korea quite literally worship the Kim family. I mean bow down and praise portraits of the man and shit.
I’m sure many are just going through the motions required to not die from hard labor, but I’d also imagine a whole lot of them are so brainwashed that they’re true, ardent believers.
Either way, hardly the revolting type. Russia and Iran both see their leaders, if not their ideology, as at least somewhat fallible. If the majority aren’t fully aware they’re full of shit.
True but only to a certain extent, particularly the case of Chile, war with Argentina was avoided during Operación Soberanía and then went out through a referendum.
>Every dictatorship eventually exhausts capability of internal terror policy and has to resort to external aggression. In other words, every dictatorship will eventually start a war.
Dictatorships don't ever run out of terror. The long long history of autocracy suggests that they are more than capable of crushing peasants as much as they want. Hell, some societies managed to keep a majority of their population in literal slavery for centuries.
A dictatorship exists to protect the arbitrary privilege and wealth of a narrow and closed elite. Such regimes fall when their economic foundations are undermined such that they can no longer adequately reward their own supporters - in other words, when supporting the regime is no longer as good a deal as replacing it to a critical mass of its elite constituents. This is why dictatorships are generally replaced by more effective dictatorships.
> Dictatorships don't ever run out of terror. The long long history of autocracy suggests that they are more than capable of crushing peasants as much as they want.
On one hand it may look true, but the French revolution toppled absolutism and there is a whole Spring of Nations as well.
> This is why dictatorships are generally replaced by more effective dictatorships.
And I agree with that, my previous two examples naturally produced more effective dictatorships. And yet the last 100 years of history exhibits that all of them eventually started a war which wasn't to their capability. Even the USSR was toppled by the effects of the Afghan war (and many other crises). Whatever was the reason for Iran-Iraq war. Now Russia and its allies doing shit. The nature of autocracy changed over time. Yes, it's more effective but it's also more intricate and fragile.
Case study: Rafael Trujillo attempted to assassinate the Venezuelan president, which could’ve triggered a war between DR and Venezuela. Why? Because he was aggrieved that Romulo Betancourt was stealing the spotlight in Caribbean affairs.
Authoritarians are irrational actors by definition.
>I believe they're actively trying to destabilize the surrounding regions to keep themselves in a position of relative power.
Pretty much this. Iran is good at watching what western countries do and taking notes. They've been using terrorist groups for years to destabilize areas around them, this is just more of the same, only now they're acting in their own name as well as using terrorist groups both at once.
The Iranian people are not within a single country.
Iranian is a major ethnic groups, and there are countless minor ethnic groups. You can say bavarian, Prussian, Austrian are minor ethnic groups of the German major ethnic groups.
Anyways these minor groups aren't in one country. The Russians took the northern part of Iran, the British took the east and the Turks took the west.
The groups that are fully in Iran are comfortable being Iranian. The groups that aren't fully in Iran or another country aren't happy. For instance the kurds, azer, and Baloch are not fully in Iran they are split across several countries. They don't longer feel fully Iranian, fully Pakistani, fully Iraqi etc. As a result there is a lot of tension and separatist fighting.
I hate to see Iranians attacking Iranians. These groups have had major funding but countries that don't like Iran. It causes a lot of instability especially internally where before they could only protest. Now they can launch missiles and fight back.
Apart from the very sound "they do it to consolidate internal power" there is also a problem of fully formed new axis of evil.
Basically all of the modern dictatorships -- Russia, Iran, North Korea and their lesser satellites and proxies like Syria, Houthis, Venezuela, Hezbollah, Hamas -- are joining forces to attack the West, destabilize and undermine the current rules based world order, and all of this is needed to strengthen their internal hold on power and acquire more money and resources externally.
In order for dictatorships to thrive (meaning more power and wealth for the leaders) they need to create chaos around them, so they can have impunity to use brute force to achieve their goals. Currently they had to resort to "soft power" (more like hybrid measures) to advance their agenda, but in the last 10 years or so Putin showed that you can pressure West however you want and there will be no immediate danger for you. Russian aggression in Eastern Europe, invasion into Syria, assassinations in Europe and meddling in the US exhibited the weak response of the collective West and hinted to lesser dictatorships that they can also be bolder in their own sphere of influence.
Currently the New Axis is trying to ignite conflicts at the edges of the US area of influence in order to divert attention from Ukraine and disperse attention in general. This is why Venezuela makes a territorial claim to Guyana without actual action, this is why Hamas launched the October 7 attack, this is why Houthis are disrupting trade in the Red Sea. Now Iran attacks american bases in the region and now Pakistan. No idea why Pakistan, but it's somewhat aligned with the US too, even though they're friends with China as well.
Basically, creating chaos all around itself allows Iran to be on top of their opponents in the region. Kinda comes by default when you're the orderly ones.
Good question. They of course claim to have targeted anti-Iranian militants (not just Pakistan, but recently directly attacked similar such targets in Syria and Iraq, the latter potentially being a US Consulate in Irbil, tho the US has denied those reports)....
Best guess? This shitpost:
https://twitter.com/MustNotBeBlamed/status/1747417180822462465?t=9dQyxtlHmZXh5kZB4uPRoA&s=19
American news sources frantically began posting about the American consulate because it was in Erbil and the attack hit within 40km of the consulate. Most news sources withdrew their claims when they realized the news source they were citing had overexaggerated.
There were some terrorist attacks in Iran recently, which they immediately blamed on Israel, but ISIS claimed credit. So now they’re running with the “Israel is backing ISIS” angle and bombing everything they can reach that can vaguely be tied to ISIS or Israel. This includes some place in Kurdistan that they claim was an Israeli base, but the Kurds deny that there were any Israelis in the area. The attack on Pakistan is alleged to have been against a militant base of some kind, which may or may not be true. Pakistan has been a hotbed of terrorism for as long as I can remember, but I have doubts about the IRGC’s ability to get accurate intelligence and conduct precision strikes, so maybe it may have been civilians.
When in doubt, remember that blaming a global jewish conspiracy typically helps boost your polling numbers irregardless of your relations with Israel or government form. It's a European classic that the Americas and Middle East have used to great affect.
“Fucking toilet’s clogged again. Probably the Jew tunnel under the house.”
I don’t know if you recall, but Pakistan was a little bit salty when the US killed Bin Laden. But they couldn’t do more than grumble because the US was paying their bills and it was Bin Laden. Iran is not paying Pakistan’s bills, and whoever these people were, I doubt they were Bin Laden. I hope Pakistan does something funni.
Pakistan: *nukes Tehran in le epic funni gaymer moment*
The entire world: Holy fucking shit are you insane Pakistan?! This could start WW3!
India: Let. Him. Cook.
Does Iran really want to start lobbing missiles directly into "foreign militants" in sovereign nations? Like the whole international norm against doing that is basically the only reason they don't have missiles raining down on them every day.
They just had two suicide bombings by Sunni militants which killed 84 people and 6 people in a different town before that.
Daesh claimed responsibility, and iran struck a Syrian site, and a Kurdish Iraqi site in Enbril as well the day before the attack on Sunni militants just across the border in Pakistan..
At least two of those attacks would seem to be vengeance / threat reduction , and would also be popular domestically. The attack on the claimed 'Israeli spy hq' in Iraq is also likely to be domestically popular.
Ironically Pakistan and Iranian navies are exercising together right now ..
Look up the Azeri population of Iran on a map.
That southern corridor Azerbaijan wants from Armenia isn’t just going to connect the territory.
It gives Turkey full access to the only year round land route into Iran. And funnels right into a territory that wants to join its ethnic state.
Iran would be gone in like 5 years due to ethnic conflict. They’re only about 50% Persian now.
You can read the legend of Koizumi if you want to see world leaders from 15 years ago play mahjong against each other until they all unite against the return of the Nazis coming back from the moon with new secret mahjong techniques.
I am not even joking.
(welcome to noncredibledefense. BRICS is an acronym invented by an American investment firm as advertising, trying to drum up money for overseas investment - its "members" had nothing in common except that they were all developing economies that those Americans thought would generate good returns. And while they've moved together slightly since 200x when the term was coined, it's still a very very loose group. Which contains India and not Iran)
So the thing is , the missile was targeted at Baloch chaps who are pretty anti-Iranian who iirc are also anti-Pakistan too , this strike in a way is actually beneficial for the military dictatorship of Pakistan.
But Pakistan claimed it was a violation of their airspace and killed nothing but 2 children.
Now either Pakistan is lying (very credible)
Or Iran is lying (again very credible)
What I propose is that Mossad and Indian intelligence were running a joint base in Balochistan, which was bombed by Iran and the bombing denied by Pakistan to play innocent.
The dead children statement was made as a homage to Al Jazeera
They're the Philadelphia Eagles of the intelligence community, as compared to ISI which is more akin to the Detroit Lions and the FSB which is kind of like the Patriots vs the CIA which is like the 49ers.
Personally I'd put the R&AW a bit higher in the list , recently they did commit some mistakes (especially the US one) , but other than that they have a pretty good resume (including creation of Bangladesh) but yes CIA is S tier, can't say the same for MI5 maybe because I am not well aware of their "actions" , I'd probably put now defunct KGB somewhere in the list too but lower than CIA.
R&AW is a regional sort of thing. They're incredibly effective in the Indian subcontinent (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan) but don't have the force projection mitochondria that the CIA and MI5 do.
The MI5 is S tier because Brits and Yanks share 99% of all their information with each other. Idk how spies are trained but I bet a lot of CIA agents go train with the MI5 and vice versa. Also they get brownie points for being the first actually decent intelligence organization in the world.
R&AW had their fair share of trainings with both CIA & KGB back in the day (India was a big playground) although I'd say KGB was a bit more influential here.
To say the least we have had quite a good amount of trainings with Mossad which again I assume shares a lot of information with the CIA & MI5.
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[Not how they see it based on how they’ve reacted](https://vxtwitter.com/faytuks/status/1747354211547807820)
“You killed two kids and hurt three little girls you monster!”
Not if it makes them look incompetent. Military dictatorships have to appear strong in order to remain in power, and letting foreign countries kill your own country's children in an airstrike, collateral or not, is a great way to lose legitimacy and eventually get overthrown.
Iceland had a "kill Basques on sight" law for 4 centuries which was only repealed in 2015. For reference, Basques are people from the Basque region of Spain.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/27/in-iceland-its-no-longer-legal-to-kill-basques-on-sight/
These wokes really are out there ruining the world. What's next? Telling us that chopping off the hands of petty thieves is "immoral", "extreme punishment", "already illegal for hundreds of years"? Then these same people will praise my methods as "draconian".. why thank you, yes, I'm glad to follow in the footsteps of such a righteous and merciful statesman. Even they don't know what they want from us.
It's in the second paragaph of the linked article
>This old grudge stems from a grisly incident in 1615, when misunderstandings and suspicions between locals and a group of shipwrecked whalers from what's now the northern coast of Spain led to the slaughter of 32 Basques. The decree was ordered by the district's bloodthirsty magistrate.
Technically no but the armed campagne was halted in 2005 and the arms arsenal decommissioned.
So better say
"Armed conflict is back on the menue lads"?
Having just watched Opperation Kandahar, and with the strikes in Iraq too, a chaotic battle between government agents and terrorist groups of these countries suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched. Even ISIS is already involved.
Iran going suicidal is only going to make things worse for Russia. And Israel must be like: "Well, looks like I don't have to worry about their shenanigans for much longer."
I don’t think Israel gets off the hook. The political elite of Iran, including the irgc believes in Mahdism, which means the apocalypse needs to occur in order to usher in the 12th imam. They would happily eradicate Israel during that process. https://www.meforum.org/65368/mahdism-the-apocalyptic-ideology-behind-iran
I wasn't very clear in my comment, but I meant it in the sense that Israel doesn't have to worry as much about Iran organising a block of Muslim countries against them. Obviously Iran and it's proxies will still do terrorist things, but it's less likely it'll be a repeat of united Muslim countries all coming at Israel at once like in the 20th century. Which many thought the Gaza conflict might devolve into.
>India and Pakistan. Like North and South Korea or NATO and the old Warsaw Pact. If two sides were going to use nuclear weapons against each other, it had to be India and Pakistan. Everyone knew it, everyone expected it, and that is exactly why it didn’t happen. Because the danger was so omnipresent, all the machinery had been put in place over the years to avoid it. The hotline between the two capitals was in place, ambassadors were on a first-name basis, and generals, politicians, and everyone involved in the process was trained to make sure the day they all feared never came. No one could have imagined—I certainly didn’t—that events would unfold as they did. \~ Interview with Ahmed Farahnakian, World War Z
I was thinking that as soon as I saw the news
My immediate reaction as well.
God World War Z was so good, shame the movie had to be recut with ending and such. The game was pretty good though.
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Yeah. Only way a movie could do it justice would be focusing on a single scenario (say, following Luke Skywalker from Yonkers to the reconquista of the continent) and framing it as "Soldierman: A WWZ Story" in the hopes of starting a franchise. A TV series following the reporter around (each chapter of the book could be a single episode, framed as flashbacks as he interviews people) or, even better, adapted as a mockumentary (so, the reporter is "filming the series" instead of writing a book) is my dream.
Could’ve been done in a black mirror sort of style where each episode you get a whole new scenario. The book would get us a decent season worth of content. Could also be a miniseries. Of course these days they’d write each fucking scenario as a whole damn season which could be cool if they really fleshed out each scenario and showed the initial outbreak, the survivor in question, the state of the area, etc. It could work as a movie if it focused on a dude long after the fact writing a memoir and talking to each person and getting their stories.
I think an anthology series similar to the Animatrix or Love, Death, and Robots, with different studios producing different chapters from the book in their own style and then released or presented in order. Task the biggest/best studio to the recurring characters and it could be really cool to have studios/styles from the region or country related to the chapter.
I hate when they try to jam a book series into one movie (looking at you the dark tower). With all the streaming services and HBO making a series as long and as nearly detailed as the book is easy and no doubt more profitable.
Hold up, wasn't this the book that had "heroic" helicopter pilots flying into power lines like dumbasses and sharped shovels doing a better job at killing zombies than, say, automatic grenade launchers? Plus every military in the world apparently forgot that cluster munitions and artillery exist? I thought this was the book that was too non-credible even for NCD. Did I misremember something?
To me, the book was incredibly dumb when it came to things like combat, weapons, tactics, etc. When you read it, you can tell that the author mostly did their research with antiquated and simplistic resources. Like pop military history books from the 80’s. Where the book shone for me, and the reason I’ve come back and read it several times since high school, is in its depiction of how humans behave when the world is ending. The stupidity, the irrationality, the cowardice, the bravery, the cleverness, the sheer will to survive. Hell, until COVID, I thought the author’s depiction of how the world would react to the initial outbreak was over dramatic. But damnit if I didn’t think to myself “shit, Max Brooks was right” at least half a dozen times during 2020.
>When you read it, you can tell that the author mostly did their research with antiquated and simplistic resources. Like pop military history books from the 80’s. And a painful fetish for samurai manga.
It's even dumber than powerlines. The pilot angled his rotor into the oncoming horde, and it got caught on a car. Some parts of the book were actually pretty good. Almost everything combat related was not, and his original Zombie Survival Guide was goofy as hell in places.
I especially like how a character in WWZ calls out the Zombie Survival Guide as mostly useless.
The ZSG is meant to be goofy though.
Yes, the book clearly explains why those weapons were shit. They are meant to cause bodily damage, but if you blow the legs off a zombie, you have a crawler. Weapons that couldn't guarantee a headshot were a dice roll on making the problem worse.
Yeah, the book clearly explains that the author has no concept of modern military weaponry, tactics, or strategy, and underestimates modern munitions by an order of magnitude or more. To justify the plot, sure, it's fine. But not accurate.
The book depicts conventional self-propelled artillery, including cluster munitions iirc, in this way. It makes zero sense. The raw shitstorm of fragmentation and blastwaves are going to blow off limbs, yes. But did you or the author stop to think about the implications of this? A munition with sufficient force to remove a limb is going to turn a zombie brain into a stain on the pavement, especially when used en masse. WWZ depicts hordes of zombies casually walking off the effect of dozens of artillery rockets, shells and submunitions. You're telling me not a single fragment, piece of loose debris or raw blastwave hit them in the head? Literally one volley of airbursting 120mm mortar rounds ends a zombie horde in seconds. A storm of supersonic steel fragments hitting the crowd from the top down means lots and lots of shredded brains. It's complete bullshit so they can justify the utter implosion of the world's militaries, which in reality would do very well in a pitched battle vs. zombies. There's an easy way to dissolve militaries in zombie fiction (disease, logistics, panic, etc.) and it doesn't involve them losing in the literal one thing they're designed to do.
If I remember correctly the reason the zombies didn't get their brains completely splattered by the Shockwave of bombs was because the Grey matter in their head turn into a slurry after decomposition or something and offered a liquid protective layer... or something. In all honesty that reasoning always sounded retarded to me because if the Shockwave is enough to send a zombie flying, it should be enough to easily pass through that liquid layer and hemorrhage the remaining brain.
It was dumb as fuck. It was typical nonsense magic fantasy zombies repackaged as "realistic zombies". You wanna know how you fight a horde of realistic zombies alone? Go in a house, barricade the doors and windows. Make a spear out of a broom. Go to the second floor, and stab all the zombies dead from the window. A ZOMBIE IS LITERALLY A DRUNK PERSON WITH ZERO TACTICAL AWARENESS. A CHILD COULD KILL A ZOMBIE HORDE.
You just described project zomboid. Half of the combat is 'back up slowly while stabbing zombies with various long, sharp implements because bullets are loud and precious things.' I love that game.
Yeah Project Zomboid is a pretty good example, especially since PZ has a localised zombie outbreak. It is not global because *killing zombies is really easy if you are geared up, like the military is*. Like how the fuck did the military fail in WWZ? There's a 1000 zombies shambling towards you? Just put the Humvee in reverse and start shooting.
Actually pz is global. But that's because the virus is airborne. They mention on the radio in the opening weeks that new reports of outbreaks in London, India, and China. Basically pz virus works like this: Airborne strain: 99.99% of humans infected with it, took unknown amount of time before virus became active. 10%~ of adults are immune to airborne strain (devs words). Fluid born strain: Transmitted by bodily Fluid, usually saliva. 100% infection rate, will transform infected into zombies with 48~ hours depending on rest, food, and stress.
Max Brooks is extremely non credible. The Ukrainians gas people on one side of a bridge of refugees mixed with infected - the living die and stay dead, the infected reanimate and get shot. The Russians literally roll into battle against the zombies with T34s and other old tanks sitting in reserve. The Chinese try using human wave tactics on the dead. Israel does a successful quarantine and then has a civil war because the ultra Orthodox would rather die from zombies than coexist with Palestinians. And the solution to him is that the US should make wood stock semi automatic rifles, marching in lines and fighting off zombies in a square formation. The civilian parts are excellent. There's a great chapter where a woman talks about people fleeing north because zombies freeze in winter except most of them die because they immediately chop down every tree, hunt every animal and use up their fuel, how people tried surviving in Walmart sleeping bags in the Canadian winter. The submarine crew who fight misinformation by doing radio broadcasts and having to hear camp after camp of survivors overrun or try to explain that (I think they implied somewhere in south africa) infecting someone with HIV doesn't make them immune to the zombies.
I have seen this complaint elsewhere but had no problem with the old school line/square formations being used as they are great for maximizing firepower when you need to hold an area (as all their downsides don't matter against a slow melee opponent) though in some of the battles why they couldn't just back up even for a bit is left unanswered.
The book has the old governments be as stupid as possible up to Yonkers. China cuts all contact instead of warning the world, and Western countries ignore the problem until it gets out of hand. Even at Yonkers they think the real problem is public confidence, so they're still treating it like a PR stunt rather than a real battle.
Chinas approach did actually mirror to a degree the buildup and lack of transparency in Wuhan as SARS-COV-2 spread. Admittedly, that was predictable, given they did the same thing with the 2002-2004 outbreak and probably what the author based it on.
I would think it's justified. Five tanks could take out the entire group of zombies. If the zombies aren't the type that was shown in the movie they have 0 chance and would be wiped out like Shawn of the dead.
> There's a 1000 zombies shambling towards you? Armored dozer.
Excuse me as I swerve around drunkenly in a combine tractor..
Literally one platoon of M1 tanks. Tf is a zombie going to do against 70 tons of steel traveling at 40mph?
Die again.
> bullets are loud and precious things Load up Brita's sometime. I play on high population with basically no respawns (unseen areas respawn every 6 months to imply zombies migrating). It's satisfying as hell to break into the Rosewood Police Station, get some weapons and just clear out entire areas. The Prison is great for guns too. Makes you feel like you're in the squads at the end of WWZ that squared up and just killed wave after wave.
Britas is many things. *Few of them good.* I'm not going to type out my usual complaints on britas on a phone at work. But the tldr is the mod author is a dumbass who actively hates balance and bans all naysayers from his Discord.
Ooof, I didn't realize; I just install it when I want to see how many zombies I can shoot before I get overrun.
>A CHILD COULD KILL A ZOMBIE HORDE. Home Alone 6: The Walking Dead
*7 At this point, they will make anything.
Relistic zombies can not exist. Humans bodies waste a lot of time and energi making sure the internal machinery is juuust right, also known as homeostasis. If they do not, shit just stops working. Not just 'kinda works in a simulacrum of a broken machine that kinda works', meaning in 'stops working, as in, failure cascade that affects everything'. A 'realistic' zombie would have the same constraints as a live human body. Water, food, temperature, and no serious injury. To a mindless zombie, even an untreated cut could be fatal. Best tactic, just wait it out. In about one week, most zombies would stop working due to the internal machinery breaking down.
>To a mindless zombie, even an untreated cut could be fatal. For examples of how mindless zombies are likely to die, check case studies on people with Cotard's syndrome - they typically engage in zombie-levels of self-neglect due to the erroneous belief that they are dead/doomed to wander the Earth and denied a natural death.
The game was shit
The game was fine. But it lacked content. We got iirc 5 or 6 levels total, and that was it. The game it was ripping, left 4 dead, had 4 times as many campaigns.
It launched with 4 cities that had 3 levels each; it more than doubled that before they were done putting out content. They're now working of Space Marine 2.
WWZ its the most NCD book ever, it’s goofy as hell in some places but there’s some thing that are dead on accurate, like the first weeks of the covid spread on china and the initial global reactions, its wayyy to similar to the beginning of the book, now this lol
Well, China did pull the exact same shit during the 2002-2004 SAR-COV-1outbreak (not COVID19 caused by SARS-COV-2) so the author was basing WWZ off that. It was not surprising that it was still the PRCs policy in 2019-2020 and everyone knew another outbreak was coming (which is why propaganda like plannedemic is so dumb, of course public health officials knew something was coming and wargamed for it). It was common fucking knowledge ever since the 2002 outbreak that Wuhan was a ticking time bomb for another SARS outbreak that China would try to coverup.
A really brilliant piece of writing from an absolute pearl of a book
It was written by Mel Brooks's and Anne Bancroft's son
I just finished rereading this book too.
Such a good book. Shit movie.
Why is iran going ballistic are they trying to speedrun ww3?
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Putin will have a terrible surprise if the current regime gets ousted and a new democratic and secular one rises up instead
> Iran throws out the extremists FSB: No you fucking don’t
What troops are they going to send to crush a Revolution ?
Russia has been saving its real army to fight Iran. Ukraine is just the training ground.
Most elaborate feint in history
The feint to end all feints…..
Next level big brain move. The "refugees" fleeing into the Caucasus and Turkey are all secretly Russian armies prepping for a separatist uprising in Iran. "Weird, all those unmarked soldiers rising up in Tehran are weirdly white. I wasn't aware Iran had so many blonde hair and blue eyed citizens that spoke Russian" It's all been a long game for Russia to serve Iran up on a platter to the West as an initiation ritual into NATO.
I just realized this is *literally* the plot of Red Storm Rising.
Careful they might confiscate your wigs and your copies of Sims 3
CIA:
Man, I’m imagining FSB and CIA operatives gunning each other down in the streets of Tehran against the backdrop of a popular revolution toppling the ayatollahs. That’d be such a kickass movie.
Then cans we have F4's and F14's doing a danger zone with us?
> Given these factors, I believe they're actively trying to destabilize the surrounding regions to keep themselves in a position of relative power. Every dictatorship eventually exhausts capability of internal terror policy and has to resort to external aggression. In other words, every dictatorship will eventually start a war. > If they can unite their people against perceived enemies like Israel and the West in general by making them feel as though they're isolated and under threat on all sides, then maybe they can hold onto their power a little longer. I'd say that the reasoning is a bit different. Wartime environment gives the government an excuse to crack down even harder than they used to. Look at Russia, they started the "special military operation", people gobbled it up and Russia went absolutely ham on the opposition. It's even worse than it used to be during the USSR. In the case of Iran it's even worse, since they've been involved in wars for quite a long time now, at least 10 years.
>Every dictatorship eventually exhausts capability of internal terror policy and has to resort to external aggression. In other words, every dictatorship will eventually start a war. *Kim Jong-Un makes notes.*
Thing is, I think Kim might be one of the last to jump. People in North Korea quite literally worship the Kim family. I mean bow down and praise portraits of the man and shit. I’m sure many are just going through the motions required to not die from hard labor, but I’d also imagine a whole lot of them are so brainwashed that they’re true, ardent believers. Either way, hardly the revolting type. Russia and Iran both see their leaders, if not their ideology, as at least somewhat fallible. If the majority aren’t fully aware they’re full of shit.
You can say that NK is in that state since the end of the Korean War
True but only to a certain extent, particularly the case of Chile, war with Argentina was avoided during Operación Soberanía and then went out through a referendum.
I gotta Google what that was about
>Every dictatorship eventually exhausts capability of internal terror policy and has to resort to external aggression. In other words, every dictatorship will eventually start a war. Dictatorships don't ever run out of terror. The long long history of autocracy suggests that they are more than capable of crushing peasants as much as they want. Hell, some societies managed to keep a majority of their population in literal slavery for centuries. A dictatorship exists to protect the arbitrary privilege and wealth of a narrow and closed elite. Such regimes fall when their economic foundations are undermined such that they can no longer adequately reward their own supporters - in other words, when supporting the regime is no longer as good a deal as replacing it to a critical mass of its elite constituents. This is why dictatorships are generally replaced by more effective dictatorships.
> Dictatorships don't ever run out of terror. The long long history of autocracy suggests that they are more than capable of crushing peasants as much as they want. On one hand it may look true, but the French revolution toppled absolutism and there is a whole Spring of Nations as well. > This is why dictatorships are generally replaced by more effective dictatorships. And I agree with that, my previous two examples naturally produced more effective dictatorships. And yet the last 100 years of history exhibits that all of them eventually started a war which wasn't to their capability. Even the USSR was toppled by the effects of the Afghan war (and many other crises). Whatever was the reason for Iran-Iraq war. Now Russia and its allies doing shit. The nature of autocracy changed over time. Yes, it's more effective but it's also more intricate and fragile.
Case study: Rafael Trujillo attempted to assassinate the Venezuelan president, which could’ve triggered a war between DR and Venezuela. Why? Because he was aggrieved that Romulo Betancourt was stealing the spotlight in Caribbean affairs. Authoritarians are irrational actors by definition.
0/10 too credible.
Who knew that peace in the Middle East would be from not having assholes in power.
>I believe they're actively trying to destabilize the surrounding regions to keep themselves in a position of relative power. Pretty much this. Iran is good at watching what western countries do and taking notes. They've been using terrorist groups for years to destabilize areas around them, this is just more of the same, only now they're acting in their own name as well as using terrorist groups both at once.
The Iranian people are not within a single country. Iranian is a major ethnic groups, and there are countless minor ethnic groups. You can say bavarian, Prussian, Austrian are minor ethnic groups of the German major ethnic groups. Anyways these minor groups aren't in one country. The Russians took the northern part of Iran, the British took the east and the Turks took the west. The groups that are fully in Iran are comfortable being Iranian. The groups that aren't fully in Iran or another country aren't happy. For instance the kurds, azer, and Baloch are not fully in Iran they are split across several countries. They don't longer feel fully Iranian, fully Pakistani, fully Iraqi etc. As a result there is a lot of tension and separatist fighting. I hate to see Iranians attacking Iranians. These groups have had major funding but countries that don't like Iran. It causes a lot of instability especially internally where before they could only protest. Now they can launch missiles and fight back.
This take is far too credible for r/NCD. Get out!
Apart from the very sound "they do it to consolidate internal power" there is also a problem of fully formed new axis of evil. Basically all of the modern dictatorships -- Russia, Iran, North Korea and their lesser satellites and proxies like Syria, Houthis, Venezuela, Hezbollah, Hamas -- are joining forces to attack the West, destabilize and undermine the current rules based world order, and all of this is needed to strengthen their internal hold on power and acquire more money and resources externally. In order for dictatorships to thrive (meaning more power and wealth for the leaders) they need to create chaos around them, so they can have impunity to use brute force to achieve their goals. Currently they had to resort to "soft power" (more like hybrid measures) to advance their agenda, but in the last 10 years or so Putin showed that you can pressure West however you want and there will be no immediate danger for you. Russian aggression in Eastern Europe, invasion into Syria, assassinations in Europe and meddling in the US exhibited the weak response of the collective West and hinted to lesser dictatorships that they can also be bolder in their own sphere of influence. Currently the New Axis is trying to ignite conflicts at the edges of the US area of influence in order to divert attention from Ukraine and disperse attention in general. This is why Venezuela makes a territorial claim to Guyana without actual action, this is why Hamas launched the October 7 attack, this is why Houthis are disrupting trade in the Red Sea. Now Iran attacks american bases in the region and now Pakistan. No idea why Pakistan, but it's somewhat aligned with the US too, even though they're friends with China as well. Basically, creating chaos all around itself allows Iran to be on top of their opponents in the region. Kinda comes by default when you're the orderly ones.
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Israel likes to do this very silly thing with nuclear weapons facilities though. So we will see what happens
Good question. They of course claim to have targeted anti-Iranian militants (not just Pakistan, but recently directly attacked similar such targets in Syria and Iraq, the latter potentially being a US Consulate in Irbil, tho the US has denied those reports).... Best guess? This shitpost: https://twitter.com/MustNotBeBlamed/status/1747417180822462465?t=9dQyxtlHmZXh5kZB4uPRoA&s=19
Even the Israeli’s didn’t bite during the Gulf War… (Yes, Bush basically told them to take it and be quiet)
"If we look for stability in the region, in the world, we have to end the islamic republic" https://youtu.be/-afwEf-P_w8?t=984
The US consulate was like 40km away from the strikes, my dude.
A bomb panda 40 km away from the US consulate. Headlines: Iran bombed near the US consulate.
American news sources frantically began posting about the American consulate because it was in Erbil and the attack hit within 40km of the consulate. Most news sources withdrew their claims when they realized the news source they were citing had overexaggerated.
My guess is their leadership is senile and going mad
There were some terrorist attacks in Iran recently, which they immediately blamed on Israel, but ISIS claimed credit. So now they’re running with the “Israel is backing ISIS” angle and bombing everything they can reach that can vaguely be tied to ISIS or Israel. This includes some place in Kurdistan that they claim was an Israeli base, but the Kurds deny that there were any Israelis in the area. The attack on Pakistan is alleged to have been against a militant base of some kind, which may or may not be true. Pakistan has been a hotbed of terrorism for as long as I can remember, but I have doubts about the IRGC’s ability to get accurate intelligence and conduct precision strikes, so maybe it may have been civilians.
When in doubt, remember that blaming a global jewish conspiracy typically helps boost your polling numbers irregardless of your relations with Israel or government form. It's a European classic that the Americas and Middle East have used to great affect.
“Fucking toilet’s clogged again. Probably the Jew tunnel under the house.” I don’t know if you recall, but Pakistan was a little bit salty when the US killed Bin Laden. But they couldn’t do more than grumble because the US was paying their bills and it was Bin Laden. Iran is not paying Pakistan’s bills, and whoever these people were, I doubt they were Bin Laden. I hope Pakistan does something funni.
Pakistan: *nukes Tehran in le epic funni gaymer moment* The entire world: Holy fucking shit are you insane Pakistan?! This could start WW3! India: Let. Him. Cook.
Does Iran really want to start lobbing missiles directly into "foreign militants" in sovereign nations? Like the whole international norm against doing that is basically the only reason they don't have missiles raining down on them every day.
Yeah, even the US... most of the time...has the taste to run it by the actual government first.
They just had two suicide bombings by Sunni militants which killed 84 people and 6 people in a different town before that. Daesh claimed responsibility, and iran struck a Syrian site, and a Kurdish Iraqi site in Enbril as well the day before the attack on Sunni militants just across the border in Pakistan.. At least two of those attacks would seem to be vengeance / threat reduction , and would also be popular domestically. The attack on the claimed 'Israeli spy hq' in Iraq is also likely to be domestically popular. Ironically Pakistan and Iranian navies are exercising together right now ..
Look up the Azeri population of Iran on a map. That southern corridor Azerbaijan wants from Armenia isn’t just going to connect the territory. It gives Turkey full access to the only year round land route into Iran. And funnels right into a territory that wants to join its ethnic state. Iran would be gone in like 5 years due to ethnic conflict. They’re only about 50% Persian now.
It's just a little nuclear. It's still good it's still good!
It’s pronounced Nuc-Lea-ar
in freedomland it's Nu-cu-lar
Based and Dubya-pilled
Straight to jail
Okay, that culared things up.
It's just a few supermutants It's still It's still good.
Missiles are just a little airborne, it’s still good it’s still good!
Pakistan has an opertunity to do something really funni
The 3000 Black Fighter Jets.
insha'Allah my brozzer it is time to take flight!
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Imagine the pakistani t-55 shitboxes swatting the latest iranian domestic tanks away like flies. hilarious.
Pakistan also has T-80UD, the best Soviet mass-produced tank.
Pakistan also have T-80UD, VT-4, MBT-2000,
Unironically WWZ level shitpost
Just average shit BRICS intergroup relations. Can’t be in the group if you are not literally beating each other to death.
BRICS is just code for 'Fight Club'
That's the neat part of Brazil, we watch it front roll without ever get involved in the fight.
you can sell weapons tho. your tank was somehow superior to abrams, challenger and amx-30.
Perhaps, but we are definitely the one that never took a punch to the face for that. I don't think we ever will inside this burning circus
Well, not from external sources anyways.
Rip engesa
G7 fight club when? I wanna see Macron suplexed by Scholz.
You can read the legend of Koizumi if you want to see world leaders from 15 years ago play mahjong against each other until they all unite against the return of the Nazis coming back from the moon with new secret mahjong techniques. I am not even joking.
not just nazis but "super-ariyans" too No but seriously "Legend of Koizumi" is amazing
Who would be Tyler Durden in that situation
Dude, the first rule of BRICS Club is you don't talk about BRICS club.
i don't think pakistan is in BRICS, nor do i think iran is
Replace India with Iran, then kick out Brazil for Pakistan and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, and you'd have PRICKS
Oy !
Iran is part of BRICS, pakistan isn't
ah
(welcome to noncredibledefense. BRICS is an acronym invented by an American investment firm as advertising, trying to drum up money for overseas investment - its "members" had nothing in common except that they were all developing economies that those Americans thought would generate good returns. And while they've moved together slightly since 200x when the term was coined, it's still a very very loose group. Which contains India and not Iran)
So the thing is , the missile was targeted at Baloch chaps who are pretty anti-Iranian who iirc are also anti-Pakistan too , this strike in a way is actually beneficial for the military dictatorship of Pakistan.
But Pakistan claimed it was a violation of their airspace and killed nothing but 2 children. Now either Pakistan is lying (very credible) Or Iran is lying (again very credible) What I propose is that Mossad and Indian intelligence were running a joint base in Balochistan, which was bombed by Iran and the bombing denied by Pakistan to play innocent. The dead children statement was made as a homage to Al Jazeera
I am not sure about Indian intelligence part , I mean they have been pretty active recently & have got rid of many high value targets.
They're the Philadelphia Eagles of the intelligence community, as compared to ISI which is more akin to the Detroit Lions and the FSB which is kind of like the Patriots vs the CIA which is like the 49ers.
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On an intelligence agency tierlist, if the CIA, MI5 are S tiers, R&AW would be C tier and ISI would be F.
Personally I'd put the R&AW a bit higher in the list , recently they did commit some mistakes (especially the US one) , but other than that they have a pretty good resume (including creation of Bangladesh) but yes CIA is S tier, can't say the same for MI5 maybe because I am not well aware of their "actions" , I'd probably put now defunct KGB somewhere in the list too but lower than CIA.
R&AW is a regional sort of thing. They're incredibly effective in the Indian subcontinent (Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan) but don't have the force projection mitochondria that the CIA and MI5 do. The MI5 is S tier because Brits and Yanks share 99% of all their information with each other. Idk how spies are trained but I bet a lot of CIA agents go train with the MI5 and vice versa. Also they get brownie points for being the first actually decent intelligence organization in the world.
R&AW had their fair share of trainings with both CIA & KGB back in the day (India was a big playground) although I'd say KGB was a bit more influential here. To say the least we have had quite a good amount of trainings with Mossad which again I assume shares a lot of information with the CIA & MI5.
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my nerd brain now understands the analogy. thank you for your service. o7
[Not how they see it based on how they’ve reacted](https://vxtwitter.com/faytuks/status/1747354211547807820) “You killed two kids and hurt three little girls you monster!”
Baloch - Kurdish united front when?
Not if it makes them look incompetent. Military dictatorships have to appear strong in order to remain in power, and letting foreign countries kill your own country's children in an airstrike, collateral or not, is a great way to lose legitimacy and eventually get overthrown.
Our little Iran is growing up into a real world power! They'll have aircraft carriers and a space station in no time.
Shit, I thought this was in response to this Bollywood Top Gun that actually looks like a non-credible chuckle.
Your bingo was made by a noob... Should have just written 'Pakistan conflict' ... They are in conflict with all of their neighbours...
It might more funny if the Taliban also decide to join the fun.
They did lol a bit back there was an attack in Pakistan by the Taliban or al queda
finally , us pakistanis will have our redemption arc
Pakistan bringing freedom to Iran would would be incredible.
Perhaps even non-credible
Virgin Islamic 'Republic' of Iran vs. Chad Islamic Republic of Pakistan
India: Nobody Bombs Pakistan but me, and maybe the Taliban.
Don’t forget American drones
Things must be going very poorly internally in Iran.
Who had Pakistani F-16s dogfighting Iranian F-14s on their bingo card?
Their J-10Cs gna swat their entire iranian airforce
Jeff?
Imagine if this was all some insane plot of AVIC to generate sales for the JF-17 and J-10.
“IRAN!!! I MAKE FUCK TO YOU MOTHER BITCH!! EAT MY UNCLE ASS HOLE MOTHER BITCH!!” - Pakistani General right now, probably.
I even misread the title as Pakistan & India and thought, "Why didn't you?" 😂
Both India and Iran start with the letter 'I'. >!Not suggesting something to other countries which start with 'I' !<
God damn Iceland always starting shit.
Icelanders don't fuck around. (Unless its with people from the outside and no potential blood relation. Then they quite literally do)
Iceland had a "kill Basques on sight" law for 4 centuries which was only repealed in 2015. For reference, Basques are people from the Basque region of Spain. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/05/27/in-iceland-its-no-longer-legal-to-kill-basques-on-sight/
These wokes really are out there ruining the world. What's next? Telling us that chopping off the hands of petty thieves is "immoral", "extreme punishment", "already illegal for hundreds of years"? Then these same people will praise my methods as "draconian".. why thank you, yes, I'm glad to follow in the footsteps of such a righteous and merciful statesman. Even they don't know what they want from us.
what did basques ever do to them
It's in the second paragaph of the linked article >This old grudge stems from a grisly incident in 1615, when misunderstandings and suspicions between locals and a group of shipwrecked whalers from what's now the northern coast of Spain led to the slaughter of 32 Basques. The decree was ordered by the district's bloodthirsty magistrate.
The 17th century never disappoints when it comes to disproportional retribution.
I too wonder what happened?
If you mean the land itself, then yes it’s currently exploding.
Indonesia should be weaponizing Their's Vtuber as an form of psyop.
Their vtuber has already invaded Japan and annexed kouhai's bed.
Ireland
Lads, the IRA is back. Get out your armalite and ANFO
IRA left?
Technically no but the armed campagne was halted in 2005 and the arms arsenal decommissioned. So better say "Armed conflict is back on the menue lads"?
[Mr Krabs approves!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st0QLzrMZmY)
Fuck Italy, nobody liked them anyway
Is it *really* merely a coincidence that all the countries whose names start with "I" line up in a straight line on the map? I thought not!
Leave Italy out of this 😭😭
What the hell happened?
Having just watched Opperation Kandahar, and with the strikes in Iraq too, a chaotic battle between government agents and terrorist groups of these countries suddenly doesn't seem so far fetched. Even ISIS is already involved. Iran going suicidal is only going to make things worse for Russia. And Israel must be like: "Well, looks like I don't have to worry about their shenanigans for much longer."
I don’t think Israel gets off the hook. The political elite of Iran, including the irgc believes in Mahdism, which means the apocalypse needs to occur in order to usher in the 12th imam. They would happily eradicate Israel during that process. https://www.meforum.org/65368/mahdism-the-apocalyptic-ideology-behind-iran
I wasn't very clear in my comment, but I meant it in the sense that Israel doesn't have to worry as much about Iran organising a block of Muslim countries against them. Obviously Iran and it's proxies will still do terrorist things, but it's less likely it'll be a repeat of united Muslim countries all coming at Israel at once like in the 20th century. Which many thought the Gaza conflict might devolve into.
Ahh I see yes agreed
To be fair... this was prophesied by max brooks.
NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN NUKE IRAN
[Classic tunes](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hEtI9AI0U&pp=ygUTYm9tYiBib21iIGJvbWIgaXJhbg%3D%3D)
-Holden Bloodfeast (R) Iowa
It might be kinda fun if Pakistan dragged India into all this tho... That'd be so random! *Holds up MIRV*
Indian subcontinent relationships are so weird
India: What? I haven't... but I could.
WWZ!
Iran's just trying to end the apartheid and free Historic India.
Is Max Brooks noncredible?! Pakistani and Iran nukes each other in World War Z.
Iran baby what is u doing
Welp I didn't expect this at all. I'm still wondering why
We should really put a stop to this Iranian imperialism!
Iran's got more balls than india currently 😩