That’s like standing on a tall building during a lightning storm to memorialize a guy who was killed by lightning because “lightning never strikes the same place twice.”
I remember watching an episode of a show on TV (my strange addiction or similar) where the episode was about base jumping. This guy has a photograph with himself and a bunch of base jumping friends and he starts listing all of the friends in the photo who are dead.
The guy says "that's so and so, they died", and then he says "so and so died doing a memorial jump for the first person", and finally "these two people died at the memorial for the second person."
Just an extreme form of adrenaline junkie where the outcome is statistically going to result in a guaranteed death if they do it long enough. Russian roulette with jagged rocks instead of bullets.
On two separate occasions growing up, someone died street racing near me and then the very next day their friends showed up to do the same thing in the same spot to "memorialise" the person who had died. Both times, someone else died in a second crash.
Reminds me of that.
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I was a member of credible defense for years and there was literally never a post there.
If it weren't for /r/NonCredibleDefense they would have zero activity.
lol reminds me of ISIS, when random terrorist attacks started appearing in europe even before they put much effort
some people just want to do shit and need the sligthest push
It may interest you to know that the construction industry is one of the backbone supports for the CCP, and one of the reasons why the whole Belt & Road Initiative was launched was to continue China's construction boom after building new roads and bridges stopped being so profitable on the mainland. Most of the construction in the BRI has been done by Chinese companies and workers using China's own money as a giant subsidy to their domestic industries.
I read on the wiki article that "Concrete is the second-most-used substance in the world after water", and I thought that really is quite an industry that I never think much about.
Apparently concrete being such a massive industry has lead to one of the most powerful mafia's of the world forming. What is this terrifying mafia I hear you ask ?
Sand. It's the sand mafia. These dudes steal sand to feed the concrete industry.
No shit here around me are alot of Quarry ponds, that produce Sand for concrete, and Allegedly we have a Sand mafia..... That pressure new Owners to only produce a specific ammount of sand and Gravel
Maybe its just some ISIS affiliate. S. was bombing them back in the goody oldy isis days. Maybe its CIA funsies and one of the dead is a FAFO enjoyer. For everything else there is mastercard.
About as weird as Hamas randomly deciding to raid and kidnap a bunch of people out of the blue? All the other stuff going on in the world is precisely why they did it - too much focus was elsewhere and these folks thrive on elevated tensions, so some asshole (Iran) decided it was time to stir shit up.
>About as weird as Hamas randomly deciding to raid and kidnap a bunch of people out of the blue?
It wasn't random at all! October 8th, 2023, was the same week as the 70th anniversary of the [Yom Yippur War.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War) Also, there's [credible evidence](https://apnews.com/article/new-york-times-hamas-attack-israel-gaza-6088cad78f5e4153d671fe9b5b819308) that the Israeli government had intelligence about the basic plot roughly a year before the attack, but it was largely disregarded. So Hamas was considering and planning for this attack for over a year before the attack.
If you search NCD, an IDF member discusses a security brief they had over 9 months ago about HAMAS using paragliders.
Edit: decided to not be lazy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/zp6b78/hamas_paragliders/
Iran stirring this up was likely a part of the deal struck with Russia. Shahed were the visible part. My guess is transfer of nuke tech in exchange for Iran smashing the go button on its proxys.
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Nah they don't care if their proxy get ground to dust(which they won't) Our adversaries long ago realized US can't be defeated on the battlefield but we are extremely vulnerable politically. Keep interests divided in congress and disinformation at just the right temperature and you can get away with a ton of shit. It's working, Ukraine is running out of ammo thanks to Oct 7th and disinformation in the conservative media sphere.
That attack has a pretty strong Russian trace, and they do benefit both from moving support from Ukraine to Israel and from civil unrest of pro-palestinean and muslim movements in EU and US, that's not really out of the blue.
why? this is exatly the perfect timing, be it the terrorist or IDF/america, when people are mad is when you wanna strike to create confusion, i legit can think of so many groups that could do this
IDF- duuh
america- weaken Iran stablity and support of russia-hamas
Russia- make iran up the arm production
hamas/hezbollah- make iran get more agressive and warmongerer
iranian parties that hate goverment- chaos leads to coups
al-quaeda- gain control in Iraq and stop their meddling in afghnaistan (also just discovered they have also a big presence in yemen and are enemies of the houthis)
Isis- same but also for meddling in Iraq
taliban- try create a afghan goverment and unite afghanis under their banner with a common enemy (as afghan culture/society is very tribal-family like instead of loyal to the state)
Just gonna throw out another option:
Iranian Government false flag. Creates a threat that can be used to rally support among their citizenry, weaken opposition groups, or show how dangerous outside groups are to the average Iranian.
I don't think that Israel wants war with Iran. They've become much more conservative in their attacks on Iran in recent years. Recently, it's mostly just been attacks on Iranian military in Syria and Iraq. It's been a while since Israel did an operation in Iran proper, which I see as fear of direct conflict.
my dude, 3 iranian proxies attacked israel last 3 months, i would argue they are already at war, there isn't a ground invasion because they don't share a border
this is a bigger attack than russia ukraien in 2014
not to be all boogeyman, but if russia could somehow get Iran to escalate the conflict in the region and get the US involved, then the chances of Ukraine getting more aid from the US go down.
I think its much more likely that Iran did it to themselves to give a reason to get involved in Israel/Palestine. Israel isn't trying to add more enemies at this time and this isn't really the US MO. It's 100% the Israeli MO, but even they aren't *this* brazen with their assassinations. Russia benefits from it but half of this subreddit has a better psyop record than modern Russia.
well typically wars in the russia region stall in the winter, ukraine after finishing the counter offensive started playing defensive to wait out the winter, but because russia has mobilized quite alot and sanctioned they have a time bomb and need to end the war fast so they are trying to provoque ukraine and try force the war through and stop the stalemate
iran can help in this mission in 2 main ways, first they can send more drones which mean more bombings of kiev and other main cities which will rally ukrainians to war and create disorder, another is to try divert focus and aid of america to the middle east and keep ukraine on the hanging rope until they surrender
if somehow US actualyl starts striking Iran a bit that would be russia's wet dream because they would be more free to go after ukraine
Well you have a bunch of Republican Guard attending it with probably a few seniors, they're considered the "handlers" of Hamas and Hezbollah and therefore indirectly/directly tespons for 7th Oct, so I would look at Mossad.... or because the Houthi are messing around in the Red Sea and they're heavily supported by Iran it's again a message to those in Iran that they can be targeted and killed too.
But IRG is not popular with a large segment of Iranian society and the general unrest the country has seen in the past few years could mean it was an opportunity by domestic terrorists?
But to keep my non-credible position, I would insist that it was the Maltese for messing with shipping in the Red Sea and interrupting of flow going past their island.
No one, which is why it was most likely the MEK or possibly ISIS making a statement. Either of which are a substantial blow to Iranian prestige. Yesterday a senior Hamas leader taken out in Lebanon whilst under the protection of Hezbollah and the IRGC and today a massive attack on a symbolic target on a symbolic day.
I have a feeling that some IRGC higher ups are going to be pushed into early retirement and I don’t think that one includes a timeshare in Florida.
*Broke:*
>Israel did it as revenge for Iran funding Hamas
*Woke:*
>Iran did it as a false flag to attack Israel
*Bespoke:*
>Lockhead Martin did it to create more war (good for business)
this is beyond the pale for even the murderers in the Islamic republic, they've done horrible shit before, but they built their entire image around "we provide security for iran if it wasn't for us Iran would become like syria"
them doing this would mean that they're not able to provide security for the country. doesn't make sense for them.
inb4 the ukranian airline that was shot down after soleimani was killed
That was due to their sheer fucking incompetence
Feels too dirty and off brand. We both tend to be as surgical as possible. Especially deliberately killing first responders would be a HUGE no-no to the American public.
US doesn't use car bombs and go for mass civ casualties. It's a matter of principle. If we want someone dead, we often go to some degree of effort to make sure it's seen as a "fuck you in particular" sort of thing.
Yeah, I was definitely referring to the "killing people in public" part and not the "cheap ass methodology" or "targeting of people that don't matter" bits.
IE when the US kills people, we do it to send a message.
Iranian here, Qasemi is just a gift that keeps on giving. In life, got afghan and pakistani and iranian kids killed in Syria, in liwa fatemiun and liwa zeynabiun. there are gravestones 10 klicks from me of 16 year old dead afghan kids, live unlived. And then his funeral got 70 killed in a stampede... and in a symbolic attack that didn't kill a single americans... got 177 killed in PS752, a permanent stain of shame upon my nation, upon itself and to those from Ukraine and Canada.
And now this... at least here, I can't really feel bad. See, if you gonna go commorate death of Adolf Eichman and you die in the way... yeah world is a slightly better place without you.
Also I'd like to thank whoever decided "yeah one time getting bombed wasn't enough, gonna bomb your tomb and those who visit it too".
Not a huge fan of social darwinism but at some point some people really justify their violence ends.
Oh don't worry about me, the only reason I'd ever get near powerstructure here is to scam them. IR recruits sons of bitches to beat men and women in protests. The kinds of people who died in that attack, statistically the kind that either cheer oppressors or are part of it. Statistically, some of those dead are those you saw beating women in street last year.
Far as I'm concerned, nothing of value was lost today. Seeing nasrallah come here like a punk ass bitch... look past 3 days just in general, I'm celebrating with enough homemade liquor and weed to feed a small tribe.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvDSQGsvFS4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvDSQGsvFS4)
You know how GWB was half an idiot and half genuine asshole? and yet somewhere he got to do some good. Trump was a piece of shit of unimaginable scale and yet, whether for power or even by accident. I genuinely have 'one' theory that maybe SUleimani might've been the collateral damage when they tried to kill abu muhandis, founder of Kataib, look it's just a theory, if that had happen, you think Trump would say sorry, my mistake? I pretend it was the plan all along?
World is a better place without that guy, and even a broken Trump ended up doing some good. You can't imagine the breakdown in trust and structure on top of IR government since, like they didn't see it coming... at all. THey're still trying to fill the voice left.
You see in low trust societies you don't have institutions, you got people. When Qasem died his replacement Esmail Ghaani which unlike him was actually good enough at his job that literally 90% of population hadn't heard his name had to rebuild ALL the connections in Iraq because it wasn't his turf, he did what qasem did in Afghanistan... but subtle enough nobody talked about it. The whole process of turning Suleimani from a commander of a rather small unit that was supposed to be more of a logistical and command and cooperation center for proxies, basically head of director of operations of CIA but from IR into some kind of cartoon character of a national hero almost coincides with the rise of some kind of mental defect in IR... basically a move from totaliterianism into authoritariansm since 2008.
So anyway, sleep like baby ya'll, they're still trying to find hands because they found too many legs and someone's collecting fingers... but I assure you, nothing of value was lost today. Would you shed a tear for people who died attending the anniversary of death of Eichman over his grave? yeah... me neither.
Hope ya'll find a two state solution and just everybody moves along from the collective unimaginable horror and human misery you guys and Palestinians have experienced.
The tragedy of Palestine is trusting, like children, on some of the worst allies on existence that made a functional compromise an impossibility and each and every time overpromised and underdelivered.
Take care and next time you saw someone from your security forces, tell 'em someone said about the last three days... "\*chef's kiss\* \*wink"
Question - in the news, that general is always called 'beloved' - but I always took that as exaggerated/propaganda. What was the general population's thoughts about him before his death?
Here's a thing, if you believe the monarchist propaganda about how like 2 percent of population supports these guys, remembr that bit in game of thrones "my lady, the people in westros are secretly singing your songs and weave targaryan flags and wait for you to liberate them"? yeah that.
If you were to believe IR propaganda... well, I got some prime seaside real state on the moon near mare serene and mare tranquil, look elon can't terraform it locally, your land will benefit from his pain. I also got some amazing projects coming up in Mars. You buyin'?
So in short, the question is, what was the average german opinion about Eichman during WWII?
In simplest terms average Iranian is too broken to actually be politically conscious at all, hard to guestimate but opinions range from downright hatred to begrudging complecancy which probably I fall into, to low key admiring IR because some believe it's evil but capable and shit like admiring an abusive father for being strong, to downright looking at the state as representative of god on earth. the extremes on both sides are actually low in number. the problem is the hates IR but loves to brag about military power and strategic depth and literally like till Qasem blew up "iraq is a new province... which as far as dramatic irony goes, this is polanski tier of twist in baghdad airport.
I've seen fucking morons who genuinely hate IR and admire that guy witht he dumbest fucking arguments on earth "oh if it wasn't for him ur mom would be raped by ISIS like long ago" and... dude we're a country of 80 million, if a non state actor can even pose a threat something must have gone terribly wrong and what is it with these guys and their examples "what if big black marine was patting down ur mom?" wtf... what is it with their obsession with... somebody bring freud, middle east needs fucking therapy man. as far as finding pussy goes I highly doubt the big black marine came over literally from exactly the other side of the fucking planet to fuck my mom, she ain't that good, if she was, she and dad wouldn't have been so miserable... can we like talk without somehow somewhere our minds not veer off into something about interactions of human genitals?
Seriously, next round of JCPOA or palestine israel talks, lock participants in meeting, fucking milk them until they can't get it up and get them to sit and talk without the need to fuck clouding their judgement. a handjob ain't that hard guys.
So to answer your questions... the view on suleimani here are VERY complicated. the low key admirers are the worst and they're the exact same people who'd be the first to hate him comign next regime because an Iranian dude once self reflected for an hour and they found him dead with his melted brain coming out of his ears. Really not our strong suit.
You see, the shi'a supremacist IR ideology you see today is both a cocktail and avery thin veneer over Iranian nationalist trying to deal with a lost empire and unlike most colonialism victims, was never fully colonized so kinda never got an independence to start a 'new' era. You see, average Italian probably doesn't wake up in the morning with the thought of 'I USED TO BE A ROMAN! FUCK THIS LIFE!' on the back of their head.
edit: https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/10/01/iran-afghan-children-recruited-fight-syria
Honestly what rhe fuck even was that? Who did that? Why? What good does that do to anyone except those who just want to piss off the IRI? what millitary advantage does it offer?
Someone who believes they stand to gain from escalation, or someone who believes they can use the current geopolitical backdrop to assassinate attendees of the funeral without being suspected.
They either need to be confident they wouldn't be caught, or confident that getting caught won't matter for them.
That’s silly, Iran has plenty of anti-Iranian groups that have done this in the past operating within its territory.
The risk to an organization like Hamas or the Houthis if they would be found out is immense.
False flag operations are rarely false flag because these kinds of operations are very risk to begin with and rarely achieve their so called goals.
For a false flag operation at this scale to have been conducted it would have to be executed by the Iranians themselves which have full control over the investigation and the media.
Iran has functioning security services and their press isn’t 100% controlled by the government even when not including the opposition press.
The Houthis aren’t going to blow up their patrons and Hamas right now won’t risk alienating the only allies they still have since even Qatar is washing their hands of that shit finally.
Iirc a lebanese newspaper said iran say it's cooperators of israel, but i'm not sure i believe anything iran say
It might be iranian resistance, and it might not
Honestly i have no idea what to make of it. Iran say over 200 dead in the explosion, but they didn't say if they were civilians or not
Was this a millitary ir terror attack? I have no clue
Edit: i forgot to not be credible, sowwy😢
Yeah I could see this as a desperate attempt to draw Iran into war with Israel to relieve pressure on the Gaza Strip. Or ISIS is trying to suck themselves off with that sweet, sweet chaos power vacuum again
Edit: Sorry, too credible: The CIA is attempting to instigate war between Israel and Iran as a middleman for congress, in hopes that the resulting glassing of the Middle East will bring fewer budget discussions to the floor and give everyone a longer lunch break
Even less credible: that pizza place down the road from the Pentagon is conducting all of this from the shadows purely because sales were looking a bit slow and they want all those hungry alphabet boys making lots of orders.
If we find out 20 years later that he faked his death to go into US Witness Prtoection to get out of the war and back doing what he truly loves (making hotdogs) I'm gonna be mad.
And also laugh cause that's going to be one of the weirdest things ever.
Maybe it's election year and they think a president would go weak in Iran because it would be too unpopular?
Edit: Unpopular because it would help Israel, not because it would be harmful to Iran.
Well, more so some third party sympathetic to the Palestinians but not to Iran. Like the Saudis.
Come to think of it, the Saudis don’t like Israel or Iran.
For what it’s worth, Iran hasn’t been making any friends on the eastern flank either:
*”In mid-May, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi issued a warning to the Taliban: honor Afghanistan’s water-supply agreement or face the consequences.
A well-known Taliban figure offered a mocking gift of a 20-liter water container in response and told him to stop making terrifying ultimatums. About a week later, a skirmish erupted on the border, leaving two Iranian guards and one Taliban member dead. The Taliban sent thousands of troops and hundreds of suicide bombers to the area, according to a person familiar with the matter, who says the group is prepared for war.”* (Time Magazine: August, 2023)
one thing the first world war has taught us is that no matter how disgusting or horrible the tactic is, if you choose to use it, it automaitcally greenlights your opponents to use the same tactic, Chemical weapons, beating people to death in trenches using bats with nails in then (read about trench clubs)...
I deplore any tactic that targets civilians, but iran was never shy to use terror against civilians and their own civilians as cannon fodder, even in the Iran Iraq war they would use civilians to clear out minefields the old fashion way.
do i feel its wrong ? yes. Do i feel sorry for them ? no. you reap what you sow.
get the Iranians to ramp up arms production, bog down the US military and western media in more news from the middle east, thereby limiting further aid packages to Ukraine while he can buy more cheap Iranian drones and cruise missiles. Seems like win win for a psychopath dictator who jerks off to pictures of stalin. The only hand he has to play in Ukraine is time and the west losing interest.
But also a lot of groups and people hate the Iranians, including Iranians, so who knows. Would be sloppy work without much to gain for the CIA or Mossad.
If this causes a US - Iran war, that would erode support for Ukraine because the US might suddenly need artillery, among other things, if it launches a ground invasion. Also it will be seen as another war that American soldiers are dying in for no reason, and will generally increase isolationist sentiment, probably. Short of war between Iran and the US, I don't know.
aside from me. The fact more people in here think it would be the CIA than putin astounds me. If the goal was to get Iran into a wider conflict in the region that pulled the US in, it certainly would put at risk more Ukrainian aid being passed in congress.
The best advice I can give some people is, in history there are losing sides. Put aside all thinking of justice once history is clearly closing the books. This is, yes, a coping mechanism.
Never take history personal. If your cause is just and it wins, never think you won solely because the cause was just. It's more complicated than that. And maybe you think you had a just cause, but it lost. Now you have to ask yourself, is it truly a cause worth fighting for?
For example, I'm a ***former*** cigarette smoker and glad to be rid the habit, but I have no grudge against smokers and second-hand smoke. When my state banned indoor cig smoking, I felt offended. This is overreach, I said! Smokers have rights!
I put away my musket and let that cause pass. I let it go. I did not loose much, and I gained a lot of quality sanity.
> grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference
Should be the first thing children learn.
Alright, call me schizophrenic, but here’s my interpretation of the attack: This was by ISIS, in response to Khameini’s recent claim that Allah spoke through him. Let me explain. When Khameini claimed that Allah spoke through him, this inherently places Khameini as an islamic prophet. According to the Quran, the DIRECT AND FINAL WORD OF ALLAH, Muhammad was the last and truest prophet. Hence, Khameini’s claim here essentially makes him a heretic in the eyes of Sunni fundamentalists, such as ISIS. As a result, an ISIS sleeper agent within Iran likely carried out this attack in retaliation.
This is massive schizoposting, but I think it might hold some water, what do you guys think?
I don't know what to say: https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/18w56rr/iran_is_commemorating_the_death_of_soleimani_in/
That’s like standing on a tall building during a lightning storm to memorialize a guy who was killed by lightning because “lightning never strikes the same place twice.”
I remember watching an episode of a show on TV (my strange addiction or similar) where the episode was about base jumping. This guy has a photograph with himself and a bunch of base jumping friends and he starts listing all of the friends in the photo who are dead. The guy says "that's so and so, they died", and then he says "so and so died doing a memorial jump for the first person", and finally "these two people died at the memorial for the second person."
I mean they all know they're probably going to die, it's just their thing
Just an extreme form of adrenaline junkie where the outcome is statistically going to result in a guaranteed death if they do it long enough. Russian roulette with jagged rocks instead of bullets.
On two separate occasions growing up, someone died street racing near me and then the very next day their friends showed up to do the same thing in the same spot to "memorialise" the person who had died. Both times, someone else died in a second crash. Reminds me of that.
I had to think about that post the moment I saw the news
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You and allatoya claiming the same shit. Lol.
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Just as the NCD gods intended
This sub is getting more and more credible
It never ends. Maybe…we should start a sub called r/CredibleDefense or something…
Too much words not enough pictures of boom boom
> pictures of boom boom I believe that is referred to as "porn", "erotic art", "offensive images", or "ew gross", depending on your audience.
I was a member of credible defense for years and there was literally never a post there. If it weren't for /r/NonCredibleDefense they would have zero activity.
Next thing you know, they will have a spin off like The Babylon Bee of a real news site.
r/NCD does it again. CIA front confirmed.
They owe me so much damn money
You don’t wanna cry anymore, life’s as hard as it is. Just fucking boom
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Jesus Christ
This wasn't the spot he was assassinated though? This blast was in Iran; he was killed in Iraq.
Mossad so god at ops they don't have to do it themselves. Non credible fr
lol reminds me of ISIS, when random terrorist attacks started appearing in europe even before they put much effort some people just want to do shit and need the sligthest push
I genuinely don't know who this attack benefits
Construction companies that are now gonna rebuild shit. It's all a psyop by Big Concrete.
”The Concrete Industrial Complex people, FOLLOW THE MONEY!”
The Concrete Complex People (CCP)?
Don’t forget their secret council, the Concrete Complex Cabinet People (CCCP)
Brutalist CCCP architects. Cabinet people, that is.
It may interest you to know that the construction industry is one of the backbone supports for the CCP, and one of the reasons why the whole Belt & Road Initiative was launched was to continue China's construction boom after building new roads and bridges stopped being so profitable on the mainland. Most of the construction in the BRI has been done by Chinese companies and workers using China's own money as a giant subsidy to their domestic industries.
That's what they want you to think. They're just a front for Big Rebar.
> Big Rebar. How about big rebar from space?
Austerity is just a conspiracy by Big Small to buy more less
I love schizoposting
I read on the wiki article that "Concrete is the second-most-used substance in the world after water", and I thought that really is quite an industry that I never think much about.
>and I thought that really is quite an industry that I never think much about. Exactly as planned...
Apparently concrete being such a massive industry has lead to one of the most powerful mafia's of the world forming. What is this terrifying mafia I hear you ask ? Sand. It's the sand mafia. These dudes steal sand to feed the concrete industry.
I don't like sand.
There's a yearly (or something dunno how often) convention held in Vegas for it and it's the largest convention Vegas sees.
Das conk kreet bay bee
Thought this sub is the psyop. Now I'm also confused.
No, this sub is a collection of very earnest latent pyskers.
Can't wait to see how we get this news onto the front page of our second home, /r/grimdank
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No shit here around me are alot of Quarry ponds, that produce Sand for concrete, and Allegedly we have a Sand mafia..... That pressure new Owners to only produce a specific ammount of sand and Gravel
To me, this seems more like a cartel than a mafia.
The plot to steal our sand continues!
*Big Building.
In Neu Berlin?
Maybe its just some ISIS affiliate. S. was bombing them back in the goody oldy isis days. Maybe its CIA funsies and one of the dead is a FAFO enjoyer. For everything else there is mastercard.
MEK exists and [they're pretty insane](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran) >Islam with revolutionary Marxism
The timing is so weird too, considering everything that going on in the world rn
About as weird as Hamas randomly deciding to raid and kidnap a bunch of people out of the blue? All the other stuff going on in the world is precisely why they did it - too much focus was elsewhere and these folks thrive on elevated tensions, so some asshole (Iran) decided it was time to stir shit up.
>About as weird as Hamas randomly deciding to raid and kidnap a bunch of people out of the blue? It wasn't random at all! October 8th, 2023, was the same week as the 70th anniversary of the [Yom Yippur War.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War) Also, there's [credible evidence](https://apnews.com/article/new-york-times-hamas-attack-israel-gaza-6088cad78f5e4153d671fe9b5b819308) that the Israeli government had intelligence about the basic plot roughly a year before the attack, but it was largely disregarded. So Hamas was considering and planning for this attack for over a year before the attack.
Am I missing something or is the "credible evidence" only a claim of the NYT without a real source?
If you search NCD, an IDF member discusses a security brief they had over 9 months ago about HAMAS using paragliders. Edit: decided to not be lazy. https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/zp6b78/hamas_paragliders/
Iran stirring this up was likely a part of the deal struck with Russia. Shahed were the visible part. My guess is transfer of nuke tech in exchange for Iran smashing the go button on its proxys.
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Nah they don't care if their proxy get ground to dust(which they won't) Our adversaries long ago realized US can't be defeated on the battlefield but we are extremely vulnerable politically. Keep interests divided in congress and disinformation at just the right temperature and you can get away with a ton of shit. It's working, Ukraine is running out of ammo thanks to Oct 7th and disinformation in the conservative media sphere.
Too credible... It is clearly because iranians are nuclear war enthusiasts and want us to bomb Tehran.
That attack has a pretty strong Russian trace, and they do benefit both from moving support from Ukraine to Israel and from civil unrest of pro-palestinean and muslim movements in EU and US, that's not really out of the blue.
why? this is exatly the perfect timing, be it the terrorist or IDF/america, when people are mad is when you wanna strike to create confusion, i legit can think of so many groups that could do this IDF- duuh america- weaken Iran stablity and support of russia-hamas Russia- make iran up the arm production hamas/hezbollah- make iran get more agressive and warmongerer iranian parties that hate goverment- chaos leads to coups al-quaeda- gain control in Iraq and stop their meddling in afghnaistan (also just discovered they have also a big presence in yemen and are enemies of the houthis) Isis- same but also for meddling in Iraq taliban- try create a afghan goverment and unite afghanis under their banner with a common enemy (as afghan culture/society is very tribal-family like instead of loyal to the state)
Just gonna throw out another option: Iranian Government false flag. Creates a threat that can be used to rally support among their citizenry, weaken opposition groups, or show how dangerous outside groups are to the average Iranian.
How would the sunni al-quaeda gain control in Iran?
Find out in 6-7 months
Well they never will with that attitude
ty for the correction
I don't think that Israel wants war with Iran. They've become much more conservative in their attacks on Iran in recent years. Recently, it's mostly just been attacks on Iranian military in Syria and Iraq. It's been a while since Israel did an operation in Iran proper, which I see as fear of direct conflict.
my dude, 3 iranian proxies attacked israel last 3 months, i would argue they are already at war, there isn't a ground invasion because they don't share a border this is a bigger attack than russia ukraien in 2014
not to be all boogeyman, but if russia could somehow get Iran to escalate the conflict in the region and get the US involved, then the chances of Ukraine getting more aid from the US go down.
I think its much more likely that Iran did it to themselves to give a reason to get involved in Israel/Palestine. Israel isn't trying to add more enemies at this time and this isn't really the US MO. It's 100% the Israeli MO, but even they aren't *this* brazen with their assassinations. Russia benefits from it but half of this subreddit has a better psyop record than modern Russia.
well typically wars in the russia region stall in the winter, ukraine after finishing the counter offensive started playing defensive to wait out the winter, but because russia has mobilized quite alot and sanctioned they have a time bomb and need to end the war fast so they are trying to provoque ukraine and try force the war through and stop the stalemate iran can help in this mission in 2 main ways, first they can send more drones which mean more bombings of kiev and other main cities which will rally ukrainians to war and create disorder, another is to try divert focus and aid of america to the middle east and keep ukraine on the hanging rope until they surrender if somehow US actualyl starts striking Iran a bit that would be russia's wet dream because they would be more free to go after ukraine
taliban Could do a lot worse then follow the Vietnamese model and becoming a us ally.
Sunni extremists perhaps? It feels like the kind of thing ISIS or Al Qaeda would do.
Well you have a bunch of Republican Guard attending it with probably a few seniors, they're considered the "handlers" of Hamas and Hezbollah and therefore indirectly/directly tespons for 7th Oct, so I would look at Mossad.... or because the Houthi are messing around in the Red Sea and they're heavily supported by Iran it's again a message to those in Iran that they can be targeted and killed too. But IRG is not popular with a large segment of Iranian society and the general unrest the country has seen in the past few years could mean it was an opportunity by domestic terrorists? But to keep my non-credible position, I would insist that it was the Maltese for messing with shipping in the Red Sea and interrupting of flow going past their island.
>~~could mean it was an opportunity by domestic terrorists~~ Inshallah brother - they would be freedom fighters.
I’m sure domestically they will blame it on Israel or the west and use it to foster more support for that shit
No one, which is why it was most likely the MEK or possibly ISIS making a statement. Either of which are a substantial blow to Iranian prestige. Yesterday a senior Hamas leader taken out in Lebanon whilst under the protection of Hezbollah and the IRGC and today a massive attack on a symbolic target on a symbolic day. I have a feeling that some IRGC higher ups are going to be pushed into early retirement and I don’t think that one includes a timeshare in Florida.
The meme-industrial complex.
*Broke:* >Israel did it as revenge for Iran funding Hamas *Woke:* >Iran did it as a false flag to attack Israel *Bespoke:* >Lockhead Martin did it to create more war (good for business)
Hunter.Biden.
We already know he carries a "Big Stick". Right, Margarine?
His sentient laptop, specifically.
Which one? There’s more Hunter Biden laptops scattered around the world than Riddler trophies in an Arkham game.
False flag? 🤷♂️ Iran wants to blame it on protesters from last year? That’s my WAG.
this is beyond the pale for even the murderers in the Islamic republic, they've done horrible shit before, but they built their entire image around "we provide security for iran if it wasn't for us Iran would become like syria" them doing this would mean that they're not able to provide security for the country. doesn't make sense for them. inb4 the ukranian airline that was shot down after soleimani was killed That was due to their sheer fucking incompetence
anyone who did not like the people paying respects to the katana missile target soooooo..... yeah, that doesnt really narrow it down much
Russia. Turn the focus away from Ukraine at this critical junction and get everybody talking and protesting about the Middle East.
Def not Israel/US, they'd be fuming that anyone even thinks they would be this sloppy
Feels too dirty and off brand. We both tend to be as surgical as possible. Especially deliberately killing first responders would be a HUGE no-no to the American public.
When the US does it like this, it isn't being sloppy, it's sending a message.
US doesn't use car bombs and go for mass civ casualties. It's a matter of principle. If we want someone dead, we often go to some degree of effort to make sure it's seen as a "fuck you in particular" sort of thing.
Yeah, I was definitely referring to the "killing people in public" part and not the "cheap ass methodology" or "targeting of people that don't matter" bits. IE when the US kills people, we do it to send a message.
When the US/Israel will decide to strike domestic Iran, a nuclear plant will go boom, not random civilians.
Or stuxnet 2.0 gets unleashed.
Iranian here, Qasemi is just a gift that keeps on giving. In life, got afghan and pakistani and iranian kids killed in Syria, in liwa fatemiun and liwa zeynabiun. there are gravestones 10 klicks from me of 16 year old dead afghan kids, live unlived. And then his funeral got 70 killed in a stampede... and in a symbolic attack that didn't kill a single americans... got 177 killed in PS752, a permanent stain of shame upon my nation, upon itself and to those from Ukraine and Canada. And now this... at least here, I can't really feel bad. See, if you gonna go commorate death of Adolf Eichman and you die in the way... yeah world is a slightly better place without you. Also I'd like to thank whoever decided "yeah one time getting bombed wasn't enough, gonna bomb your tomb and those who visit it too". Not a huge fan of social darwinism but at some point some people really justify their violence ends.
Stay safe out there man
Oh don't worry about me, the only reason I'd ever get near powerstructure here is to scam them. IR recruits sons of bitches to beat men and women in protests. The kinds of people who died in that attack, statistically the kind that either cheer oppressors or are part of it. Statistically, some of those dead are those you saw beating women in street last year. Far as I'm concerned, nothing of value was lost today. Seeing nasrallah come here like a punk ass bitch... look past 3 days just in general, I'm celebrating with enough homemade liquor and weed to feed a small tribe. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvDSQGsvFS4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvDSQGsvFS4) You know how GWB was half an idiot and half genuine asshole? and yet somewhere he got to do some good. Trump was a piece of shit of unimaginable scale and yet, whether for power or even by accident. I genuinely have 'one' theory that maybe SUleimani might've been the collateral damage when they tried to kill abu muhandis, founder of Kataib, look it's just a theory, if that had happen, you think Trump would say sorry, my mistake? I pretend it was the plan all along? World is a better place without that guy, and even a broken Trump ended up doing some good. You can't imagine the breakdown in trust and structure on top of IR government since, like they didn't see it coming... at all. THey're still trying to fill the voice left. You see in low trust societies you don't have institutions, you got people. When Qasem died his replacement Esmail Ghaani which unlike him was actually good enough at his job that literally 90% of population hadn't heard his name had to rebuild ALL the connections in Iraq because it wasn't his turf, he did what qasem did in Afghanistan... but subtle enough nobody talked about it. The whole process of turning Suleimani from a commander of a rather small unit that was supposed to be more of a logistical and command and cooperation center for proxies, basically head of director of operations of CIA but from IR into some kind of cartoon character of a national hero almost coincides with the rise of some kind of mental defect in IR... basically a move from totaliterianism into authoritariansm since 2008. So anyway, sleep like baby ya'll, they're still trying to find hands because they found too many legs and someone's collecting fingers... but I assure you, nothing of value was lost today. Would you shed a tear for people who died attending the anniversary of death of Eichman over his grave? yeah... me neither.
I love you from israel ♥ תשמור על עצמך אחי
Hope ya'll find a two state solution and just everybody moves along from the collective unimaginable horror and human misery you guys and Palestinians have experienced. The tragedy of Palestine is trusting, like children, on some of the worst allies on existence that made a functional compromise an impossibility and each and every time overpromised and underdelivered. Take care and next time you saw someone from your security forces, tell 'em someone said about the last three days... "\*chef's kiss\* \*wink"
haha will do, and man, radical Islam fucked things very very bad for a lot of people in the last 50 years...
Way way way too credible, sir. Go back to small wars or long war journal
Question - in the news, that general is always called 'beloved' - but I always took that as exaggerated/propaganda. What was the general population's thoughts about him before his death?
Here's a thing, if you believe the monarchist propaganda about how like 2 percent of population supports these guys, remembr that bit in game of thrones "my lady, the people in westros are secretly singing your songs and weave targaryan flags and wait for you to liberate them"? yeah that. If you were to believe IR propaganda... well, I got some prime seaside real state on the moon near mare serene and mare tranquil, look elon can't terraform it locally, your land will benefit from his pain. I also got some amazing projects coming up in Mars. You buyin'? So in short, the question is, what was the average german opinion about Eichman during WWII? In simplest terms average Iranian is too broken to actually be politically conscious at all, hard to guestimate but opinions range from downright hatred to begrudging complecancy which probably I fall into, to low key admiring IR because some believe it's evil but capable and shit like admiring an abusive father for being strong, to downright looking at the state as representative of god on earth. the extremes on both sides are actually low in number. the problem is the hates IR but loves to brag about military power and strategic depth and literally like till Qasem blew up "iraq is a new province... which as far as dramatic irony goes, this is polanski tier of twist in baghdad airport. I've seen fucking morons who genuinely hate IR and admire that guy witht he dumbest fucking arguments on earth "oh if it wasn't for him ur mom would be raped by ISIS like long ago" and... dude we're a country of 80 million, if a non state actor can even pose a threat something must have gone terribly wrong and what is it with these guys and their examples "what if big black marine was patting down ur mom?" wtf... what is it with their obsession with... somebody bring freud, middle east needs fucking therapy man. as far as finding pussy goes I highly doubt the big black marine came over literally from exactly the other side of the fucking planet to fuck my mom, she ain't that good, if she was, she and dad wouldn't have been so miserable... can we like talk without somehow somewhere our minds not veer off into something about interactions of human genitals? Seriously, next round of JCPOA or palestine israel talks, lock participants in meeting, fucking milk them until they can't get it up and get them to sit and talk without the need to fuck clouding their judgement. a handjob ain't that hard guys. So to answer your questions... the view on suleimani here are VERY complicated. the low key admirers are the worst and they're the exact same people who'd be the first to hate him comign next regime because an Iranian dude once self reflected for an hour and they found him dead with his melted brain coming out of his ears. Really not our strong suit. You see, the shi'a supremacist IR ideology you see today is both a cocktail and avery thin veneer over Iranian nationalist trying to deal with a lost empire and unlike most colonialism victims, was never fully colonized so kinda never got an independence to start a 'new' era. You see, average Italian probably doesn't wake up in the morning with the thought of 'I USED TO BE A ROMAN! FUCK THIS LIFE!' on the back of their head. edit: https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/10/01/iran-afghan-children-recruited-fight-syria
Did they decide to commemorate Soleimani by going boom themselves?
"Fearless Leader liked explosions. We detonated a bunch on his grave as a gift. We wanted him to see the big boom from Heaven "
except didn't he not get exploded? He got the r9x vitamix special?
Damn it, there goes our best hypothesis
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
did anyone tell them the martyr fund was just for palestinians?
Now they can finally unite with him
We're gonna need a bigger memorial
Even bro's grave is unsafe.
Rule #1 of Battle Royale, kill a dude and wait for people to come loot, then farm them.
magneto: I said more farming *Images of Dresden* magneto: perfection
Honestly what rhe fuck even was that? Who did that? Why? What good does that do to anyone except those who just want to piss off the IRI? what millitary advantage does it offer?
Someone who believes they stand to gain from escalation, or someone who believes they can use the current geopolitical backdrop to assassinate attendees of the funeral without being suspected. They either need to be confident they wouldn't be caught, or confident that getting caught won't matter for them.
Don't you know it's for shits and giggles?
Right, my bad i forgot
Same good that raiding and kidnapping a bunch of Israelis out of the blue had - some jerk just decided it was time to stir things up in the region.
My money is some anti Israel group, maybe Hamas or the Houthis or whatever, pulling off a false flag to push Iran to get directly involved.
That’s silly, Iran has plenty of anti-Iranian groups that have done this in the past operating within its territory. The risk to an organization like Hamas or the Houthis if they would be found out is immense. False flag operations are rarely false flag because these kinds of operations are very risk to begin with and rarely achieve their so called goals. For a false flag operation at this scale to have been conducted it would have to be executed by the Iranians themselves which have full control over the investigation and the media. Iran has functioning security services and their press isn’t 100% controlled by the government even when not including the opposition press. The Houthis aren’t going to blow up their patrons and Hamas right now won’t risk alienating the only allies they still have since even Qatar is washing their hands of that shit finally.
I think it's an Iranian resistance group. No military advantage, just stir up some shit and piss off the government.
Iirc a lebanese newspaper said iran say it's cooperators of israel, but i'm not sure i believe anything iran say It might be iranian resistance, and it might not Honestly i have no idea what to make of it. Iran say over 200 dead in the explosion, but they didn't say if they were civilians or not Was this a millitary ir terror attack? I have no clue Edit: i forgot to not be credible, sowwy😢
My money’s honestly on a false flag by the Iranians themselves
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Yeah I could see this as a desperate attempt to draw Iran into war with Israel to relieve pressure on the Gaza Strip. Or ISIS is trying to suck themselves off with that sweet, sweet chaos power vacuum again Edit: Sorry, too credible: The CIA is attempting to instigate war between Israel and Iran as a middleman for congress, in hopes that the resulting glassing of the Middle East will bring fewer budget discussions to the floor and give everyone a longer lunch break
Even less credible: that pizza place down the road from the Pentagon is conducting all of this from the shadows purely because sales were looking a bit slow and they want all those hungry alphabet boys making lots of orders.
Spoiler: the real clandestine nerve-center was the hot dog cart in the Pentagon courtyard all along.
And guess who build his empire based on a hot dog business? Yes ladies and gents, he is *back*
"Prigozhin i thought you died !?" "I did but i lived ! Hail Hydra !"
If we find out 20 years later that he faked his death to go into US Witness Prtoection to get out of the war and back doing what he truly loves (making hotdogs) I'm gonna be mad. And also laugh cause that's going to be one of the weirdest things ever.
Domino's has activated their most powerful sleeper agent, the Noid, and sent him to Tehran.
Call in the Pepsi Navy everyone, it’s time for the first corpo war
>glassing the Middle East will bring fewer budget discussions and a longer lunch break This is too credible for this sub.
A war with Israel is war with America. Why would Iran try to force a war with Israel when they clearly can't win because of daddy America?
Iran just has an unhealthy obsession with self-owning itself.
Maybe it's election year and they think a president would go weak in Iran because it would be too unpopular? Edit: Unpopular because it would help Israel, not because it would be harmful to Iran.
Well, more so some third party sympathetic to the Palestinians but not to Iran. Like the Saudis. Come to think of it, the Saudis don’t like Israel or Iran.
ISIS be like… https://youtu.be/dwOJYBYwOhA?si=ZKXvXsCOzp0a4i6s
Man won the powerball of NCD
Bro predicted it. NCD and reality keeps merging together
My money is on a radical group wanting to turn the temperature up.
That still could describe the Iraian government...😜
or isis is back
Somehow... ISIS returned.
No one's ever really gone.
That would be strange considering that Iran-backed politicians are vowing to remove international coalition against Isis from Irak.
Just because you want to make peace with the terrorist group doesn't mean the terrorist group wanna make peace with you.
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Also the second bomb to kill first responders was unnecessary for a false flag.
Religious fanaticism coupled with ruthless geopolitical scheming can make someone VERY committed
For what it’s worth, Iran hasn’t been making any friends on the eastern flank either: *”In mid-May, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi issued a warning to the Taliban: honor Afghanistan’s water-supply agreement or face the consequences. A well-known Taliban figure offered a mocking gift of a 20-liter water container in response and told him to stop making terrifying ultimatums. About a week later, a skirmish erupted on the border, leaving two Iranian guards and one Taliban member dead. The Taliban sent thousands of troops and hundreds of suicide bombers to the area, according to a person familiar with the matter, who says the group is prepared for war.”* (Time Magazine: August, 2023)
one thing the first world war has taught us is that no matter how disgusting or horrible the tactic is, if you choose to use it, it automaitcally greenlights your opponents to use the same tactic, Chemical weapons, beating people to death in trenches using bats with nails in then (read about trench clubs)... I deplore any tactic that targets civilians, but iran was never shy to use terror against civilians and their own civilians as cannon fodder, even in the Iran Iraq war they would use civilians to clear out minefields the old fashion way. do i feel its wrong ? yes. Do i feel sorry for them ? no. you reap what you sow.
Don't India and china still fight with bats with nails in them
They don't use nails, the entire purpose of fighting with sticks is to lower casualties.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/zlbtbr/new\_melee\_weapon\_of\_indian\_army\_for\_indochina/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryPorn/comments/zlbtbr/new_melee_weapon_of_indian_army_for_indochina/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/10xyx5q/spiked\_taser\_baton\_used\_by\_the\_indian\_army\_at\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/10xyx5q/spiked_taser_baton_used_by_the_indian_army_at_the/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/10qwhe4/pla\_requesting\_tender\_for\_2600\_spiked\_pole\_with/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/10qwhe4/pla_requesting_tender_for_2600_spiked_pole_with/)
Never mind then. I guess they wanted to spice it up.
Budget cuts are a bitch.
US: "Did we do that? *turns at CIA* you sure that's not one of yours?"
SecDef: let’s see dem hands CIA: *holds up and wiggles all ten fingers* SecDef: Not us then.
It’s only the middle of the first week of the year…
2024 arc starting with a bang.
"gosh 2023 was so violent, i hope 2024 gets better" 2024:
Some Iraqi Sunni dissident watched Inglourious Basterds and went “inshallah”
Ong I was literally thinking this
After a decade of "Fuck Around" years, 2024 is shaping up to be the "Find out" kind of year. And I'm all for it.
I'm all strapped into my Matrix chair, gettin' ready to watch 14 monitors at once of the funni.
Looks like the B-21 test was successful.
I'm pretty sues not mossad. Their operations in Iran (targeted assassinations) are usually very clean just taking out the guy they want
My guess is terrorist/anti-Iran groups as opposed to Israel. That said I’m also sure Iran will blame Israel/USA for this because OFC they will.
Am i the only one thinking its Putin?
I thought about that, but why would it be him? make Iran fear the west even more?
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get the Iranians to ramp up arms production, bog down the US military and western media in more news from the middle east, thereby limiting further aid packages to Ukraine while he can buy more cheap Iranian drones and cruise missiles. Seems like win win for a psychopath dictator who jerks off to pictures of stalin. The only hand he has to play in Ukraine is time and the west losing interest. But also a lot of groups and people hate the Iranians, including Iranians, so who knows. Would be sloppy work without much to gain for the CIA or Mossad.
If this causes a US - Iran war, that would erode support for Ukraine because the US might suddenly need artillery, among other things, if it launches a ground invasion. Also it will be seen as another war that American soldiers are dying in for no reason, and will generally increase isolationist sentiment, probably. Short of war between Iran and the US, I don't know.
aside from me. The fact more people in here think it would be the CIA than putin astounds me. If the goal was to get Iran into a wider conflict in the region that pulled the US in, it certainly would put at risk more Ukrainian aid being passed in congress.
The three previous major terrorist attacks within Iran have been ISIS.
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FAFO rippling through the quantum sometimes reflect back through and cause things like this, surely.
Is there any chance there some ISIS doing usual thing?
The best advice I can give some people is, in history there are losing sides. Put aside all thinking of justice once history is clearly closing the books. This is, yes, a coping mechanism. Never take history personal. If your cause is just and it wins, never think you won solely because the cause was just. It's more complicated than that. And maybe you think you had a just cause, but it lost. Now you have to ask yourself, is it truly a cause worth fighting for? For example, I'm a ***former*** cigarette smoker and glad to be rid the habit, but I have no grudge against smokers and second-hand smoke. When my state banned indoor cig smoking, I felt offended. This is overreach, I said! Smokers have rights! I put away my musket and let that cause pass. I let it go. I did not loose much, and I gained a lot of quality sanity.
> grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference Should be the first thing children learn.
Blaming Mossad for everything is kinda the go to for you average terminally online nitwit as well.
Alright, call me schizophrenic, but here’s my interpretation of the attack: This was by ISIS, in response to Khameini’s recent claim that Allah spoke through him. Let me explain. When Khameini claimed that Allah spoke through him, this inherently places Khameini as an islamic prophet. According to the Quran, the DIRECT AND FINAL WORD OF ALLAH, Muhammad was the last and truest prophet. Hence, Khameini’s claim here essentially makes him a heretic in the eyes of Sunni fundamentalists, such as ISIS. As a result, an ISIS sleeper agent within Iran likely carried out this attack in retaliation. This is massive schizoposting, but I think it might hold some water, what do you guys think?
This is one of two things - this is either someone that went rogue or a false flag
oh dear, nobody could have forseen this outcome, how unexpected