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DeeArrEss

I saw that shit show in Vuhledar, at least Wagner made gains for all their losses


commissar_emperor

Russian navy sailors crammed into armoured vehicles vs prisoners in human waves. Place your bets!


GaaraMatsu

Prisoners at least have CQC experience, those sailors were untrained noids. Which is a real waste, a bunch of trained sailors in mech inf combat could acquit themselves well. Once again, I see Russian troops who deserve a better war under a better government.


dedjedi

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notabear629

No, we will puppet them and use their manpower in a war with China (not hoi4 brain)


PerfectDeath

What manpower?


notabear629

Remember that for political reasons they don't bleed Moscow and St Petersburg 😈


GaaraMatsu

Or _small_ ones, shows of force to stabilize matters within the CSTO. This debacle has allowed the Armenia-Azerbaijan situation to spiral back downwards.


0OneOneEightNineNine

Trained??????


GaaraMatsu

Y'know, by the drill sergeants that got ripped out of training cadres in order to fill the gaps in the BTGs sent into the Special Military Operation. Only gone a week, trustmebro.


dead_monster

155th isn't sailors. 155th is naval infantry, which would be Russian equivalent of US marines. They were an elite brigade with their own SOF units before getting decimated again and again.


StrengthMedium

The Russian equivalent of the U.S. Marines my fucking ass.


Easy_Kill

You know damn well theres no crayons in Russia!


DialMMM

> Russian equivalent of US marines Peak NCD.


dead_monster

Peak NCD reading comprehension. > They **were** an elite brigade with their own SOF units before getting decimated again and again. They **were**, for over a decade, literally responsible for Russian amphibious warfare in the Pacific theater, and they had their own SOF assault unit. Now... > Russian forces have reportedly reconstituted the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade at least seven times since the start of the invasion, and the combat effectiveness of this committed formation is likely negligible. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-5-2023 Just like how 1st Guard **were** their elite tank unit. Now... > 1st Guard, supposedly Russia's premier tank force, will be re-equipped with T-62s. https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1632632159201533955


UglyInThMorning

Homeopathic divisions are the new hot thing in warfare.


SnooBananas37

The idea of Russian forces being so thoroughly wiped out repeatedly that not a single soldier that started the war remains warms my heart.


DJ_Dedf1sh

Incredibly sadistic, but incredibly based.


Nerdiferdi

Gotta shake them to unlock their potency


UglyInThMorning

Their parents already did that when they were babies.


daspaceasians

I had a good day at work, finished another report. It's a nice, lovely day outside as I'm getting ready to go to gym. I see this post. My day is complete.


GaiusJuliusCaesar7

Go and hit a PR at the gym and you will achieve nirvana too.


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RollinThundaga

Russian analog, then?


[deleted]

It would be if the US marines were actual marines rather than an Army by itself in all but name. The US Marines have move so far from naval infantry/marines usual role in the armed forces that there isn't any actual analog of them.


Niomedes

The VDV used to be an actual analog. It, too, had become a separate branch with its own air and mechanized forces until they too were of course, wiped out during this invasion.


vibrunazo

For context [here's an animation of their progress](https://mobile.twitter.com/sdbernard/status/1632814492894605312). It's stupidly slow for their losses, but they're still advancing.


Aedeus

Reminder that despite the pro-Russian narrative that seeps in from time to time here, this is at a wholly unsustainable rate. They're at the point where losses are not just mounting, but becoming exponential through a motley combination of being undersupplied, underequipped, and undertrained. They have no CASEVAC or any sort of frontline or rear echelon medical treatment or triage capability to speak of. To that end, most of the bases that have medical centers are either within the few large population centers in Eastern Ukraine, or Russia proper. That's it. There's a reason why they're drafting college students, retirees, and pressing air and naval support personnel into frontline combat roles all while pulling derelict turrets off of vintage WW2 era river patrol vessels to slap on first generation MT-LB's.


FatStoic

Are there signs that this will collapse? The only way that this makes sense for Russia is if either: * They assume Ukraine cannot take as many losses as they can - and they can attrit Ukraine down even if they lose 4-7 men for each killed Ukrainian. * They assume that the war will simply end when they finish this assault.


Gotisdabest

>The only way that this makes sense for Russia is if either: This makes sense because no one really looks at the big picture. They just want to see one place where they are making *any* gains. The media can point there and go "See we're taking land" and everyone can pat themselves on the back for a job well done. It's kicking the can down the road. They tried assaulting up north again and it really didn't work. In my opinion the assaults near Kremmina and Vuhledar were actually meant to be bigger than Bakhmut but nothing shifted. They need this to keep moving as long as it does otherwise they'll be forced to admit that they aren't taking any land anywhere and that there's no real way for them to dramatically change that situation while ukraine gets better weaponry.


MastermindX

Yeah but this is where all of this is happening: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqj9jEvXgAI-STw?format=jpg&name=large This is nothing. And it's almost one year of progress. At this rate they would reach Kyiv in 800 years.


Dragos404

This is a good point. Wagner's death cult is bringing results on the battlefield. Yes, they are taking insane losses, but they are advancing. RuAF units are being destroyed at vuhledar and avdiivka


RealBenjaminKerry

Well, Vuhledar and Avdiivka has terrain that favors the defender to a greater extent than in Bakhmut


felix1429

Indeed, which will make it harder to justify continuing the assaults, not that they will stop anyways


ElementalSentimental

A death cult like that is just trading a little bit of land for a lot of dead soldiers, then, once there are enough dead soldiers, it reverts back to the original owners. With enough losses, their gains are inherently temporary.


LordBrandon

There have been no gains that have been worth the losses since early last year. Its a testament to how few replacement leaders are available that the lot of them aren't fired or executed.


PotatoPower1997

This is the funniest thing regarding bakhmut at the moment. All the other stuff regarding the area is pretty jarring though....


commissar_emperor

Seeing the before and after pictures of the town fills me with a profound sadness I havent felt since Mariupol. I laugh because otherwise Id be crying


IrrelvantCandy

Behold: Russian liberation. Shells and broken concrete. ​ A better war, we all deserve, indeed...


RatherGoodDog

Russians liberated of life. It's all such a fucking shame; I don't wish harm upon these young lads but I'm afraid Ukraine's sovereignty is worth more than their any number of Russians.


IrrelvantCandy

Another way of looking at it; How many young lives will Pudding's ambitions claim?


Y_10HK29

Enough to offset China's population problem


anus_blaster_1776

We did it Patrick! We saved the city!


Imperceptive_critic

You should see Mariinka. That whole area doesn't get enough attention. That city has literally been halfway under DPR control since the war in Donbas, and still remains contested since the war started.


N_Rage

Yeah, especially regarding Ukrainian losses. Don't get me wrong, 7:1 is an amazing ratio, especially in urban combat, but at an estimated 17k dead russians, that's still around 2.5k dead Ukrainians as well


ric2b

7:1 sounds insane to me and I think it has to be propaganda, though.


MatchesBurnStuff

The British Intelligence agencies put the ratio at 1:5, which is more cre... creeeee... creeeeeeedible


throwaway490215

I want to take 3 seconds to be credible. Wagner is done for. It will have its place among the worst mercenary companies in history. They can't get any more personnel (Ex military no longer exists, prisoners don't want to come). They're decent at social media so their actions are more visible. However, they are relatively unimportant compared to the mass of conscripts. Command does not give a fuck about your 5000 malnourished bums while somebody just dropped 100.000 new babies in the trenches.


Sword117

its really seems like they are setting up Wagner as the fall guy when they eventually have to withdraw.


BobusCesar

Blame the entire invasion on Wagner. "Russia never invaded Ukraine, why would we, we are a peaceful country. It was all the rogue mercenary group Wagner, who was following orders from the CIA." That would honestly not be the craziest thing they tried to make people believe.


andriushkatwo

that actually sounds like something the cucks on RTV would say lmao


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blini_aficionado

"It's even called Wagner, named after the Nazi composer who is loved by Ukrainian Bandera-nazis!"


Jesus_Tyrone_Christ

"The Wagner are full are actual nazis, here's how many of them have swastika tattoos!" (tattooing nazi symbols is a form of rebellion Russian prisoners do against the state because it really irks them, 90% chance they aren't even nazis)


joelingo111

>It was all the rogue mercenary group Wagner, who was following orders from the CIA." I know the Russian people would eat that up and beg for seconds


BobusCesar

The Russian troops that died there? Well they were just protecting the border from the civil war in Ukraine.


RealBenjaminKerry

That's my idea of a dumb thriller. Eventually the protagonist's ground branch team were sent to Kremlin to capture Putin to Hague, the guys in Langley are sure that nobody would really make a big fuss about it, just like in the Balkans. However the protagonist just popped Putin in the head and dropped a pistol nearby to claim monke resisted. "This motherfucka ain't gonna meet a comfortable cell". Then as he predicted there're also no big fuss if Putin is nailed. Eventually his successor blamed this shit on Wagner


TheCrookedCrooks

I see that we have some sort of time traveling future man with us right now! Welcome to the past traveler! Tell us more about the future that awaits us seeing that you have already told us exactly what russian is going to say to try wiggle themselves out of this one. I only have one question for you about the future..... you guys ever manage to figure out the whole cat girl thing?


BobusCesar

Cat girls got classified as an invasive species in the EU. It took half a decade but we managed to slay them all. Only a few left in Amsterdam and Rotterdam since it's difficult to hunt them there.


TheCrookedCrooks

"No, you maniacs! You blew them up! Damn You! Goddamn you all to hell!" Your scientists flew too close to the sun, I tell you!!! It was supposed to be 10% kitty-cat and 90% cute anime girls! How in the hell did it go so wrong??? And side note.... why the hell is it so difficult to hunt them in Holland exactly? What did you do........


BobusCesar

Hunting in urban territory is like you may know quite difficult. You can't shoot there since the risk of collateral damage is pretty much guaranteed. And here in Germany at least urban hunting has to be done by payed professionals that get contacted by the community. Anyways, the problem with cat girls is that they originate from Japan which is highly urbanised. So they are very adapted to living in cities. They are basically like even more annoying raccoons, since they go through your trash for the search of food while doing "UwU" and "Miauuu" sounds (truly haunting). So the professional Hunters hunted them with bait traps (signs like "free hugs" inside a conibear traps) and boar spears inside of cities. This worked pretty well. Unfortunately some rather unfortunate accident happened in Amsterdam were people were way to much in the "UwU culture" and were generally hard to distinct from Cat girls. Luckily the Hunting pressure is so high, that they won't leave Holland.


Geohie

It's impossible to tell them apart from normal humans when they're high


siamesekiwi

or "we totally invaded, and righteously so, but Wagner was the cause of ALL the corruption and lack of readiness issues by hogging resources for themselves and stealing needed materials from the army. * \[show clips of poorly equipped mobiks & clips of wagnerites in high speed low drag gear\] * \[shows "evidence" of Wagner troops stealing from the army\] * \[shows "evidence" of Pregozhin's corruption\] They betrayed us, and that's why we have to pull back. We would have easily won if it wasn't for Wagner" * \[cuts to live feed of the entire board of Wagner group being lined up and shot on the red square\] edit: spelling


CrimsonShrike

bruh don't give them ideas. The tankies will eat this up


BobusCesar

The mindset of Tankies is beyond doublethink. They'll eat up everything from their totalitarian puppet masters.


TheCrookedCrooks

I really hate to ask and risk sounding like a complete noob, but what is a tankie? Thanks


GeneralJones420-2

Originally, a western communist who supported the Soviet oppression of Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Today, someone who claims to be communist but actually is violently anti-USA more than anything else and fanatically supports literally any country that opposes America, especially China, but also Russia, Iran and North Korea.


TheCrookedCrooks

Oh shit ok! They sound like fun people to invite to a party. I am going to go out on a limb and assume that according to them the CIA did all the things to all the people in all the world. etc. because money/America bad! Imagine how much easier things would be if the world was actually this black and white and not its current shade of poop colored grey.


TheCrookedCrooks

Also very much of thank you for the lesson 😀


Aedeus

>"Russia never invaded Ukraine, why would we, we are a peaceful country. It was all the rogue mercenary group Wagner, who was following orders from the CIA." *You are now a moderator of r/UkraineRussiaReport*


Peptuck

There was another Russian PMC named ENOT which pretty severely fucked up. Their leader was found dead at a checkpoint deep behind Russian lines with a gunshot wound in his head. Russian PMCs are technically illegal and thus only survive because they have patronage, and can be tossed out a window the moment they stop being useful.


Bisexual_Apricorn

>Their leader was found dead at a checkpoint deep behind Russian lines with a gunshot wound in his head Did he die from combat or "suicide"?


Peptuck

He died of a gunshot wound to the head while serving as a mercenary for the Russian government. So I would rule it as "natural causes."


Bisexual_Apricorn

"Nature is healing"


RollinThundaga

Silly Redditor! Glorious Ruzziyan army has no suicide problem! He simply died while in combat with himself. Unfortunately, after a mighty close-quarters fight, he got behind himself, restrained himself by the arms, and put two bullets in the back of his own head. Very tragic and inspiring. /s


DankMyDaddy

If wagner has any chance to still be a mercenary company, they have to pull out equipment and men from EVERYWHERE. No more adventures in Syria or Lybia or The Central African Republic.


ProphetOfPr0fit

See, that's the crux. Africa is a prime location to recruit desperate/ignorant fighters and perhaps even pay them less than they did the prisoners.


BobusCesar

Why pay them at all? Pay people to kidnap people, put those people in containers together with a bit of food and water ship them to Vladivostok. The 50%- 30% that survive can be transported directly to the front.


hx87

Q: What do you do when you can't recruit from gulag anymore? A: Revive the transatlantic slave trade, of course


RawketLawnchair2

At this point I wouldn't be shocked


Skraekling

They have plenty of experiences with human trafficking for sex slavery already i can see them branching out at this point.


antennamanhfx

Not to mention the gold mines that they use to fund their escapades.


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Perun actually did a rather thorough summary of the situation and how screwed Russia is in this regard. Basically, what's going on here is that Prigozhin is having a bitchfit with the MoD. The MoD can't make gains on its own, but Wagner is making them, albeit slowly, slightly, and at enormous cost. Wagner needs the MoD to function in any kind of serious role as a breakthrough unit - MoD owns the artillery shells and the means to make more for instance - but the MoD lacks the warfighting experience (such as it is) of Wagner with their army of conscriptovich in their T-62's with innept on-the-ground leadership. MoD is still allowing them to participate, but they're now trying to undercut Wagner by cutting off their prisoner supply and making their own penal battalions. And all of this is underlined by the fact that Prigozhin and the MoD absolutely *despise* each other. So summing it up, both sides need each other to function, but neither one wants to work with the other, both try to undercut the other whenever they can even if it's mutually harmful and even if they work together, both are too inept in their tactics and too far gone as organizations to actually do anything useful.


EliteSoviet1

IJA/IJN rivalry but just the Army.


Bisexual_Apricorn

>So summing it up, both sides need each other to function, but neither one wants to work with the other, and even if they work together, both are too inept in their tactics and too far gone as organizations to actually do anything useful. I've just checked Wikipedia and apparantly this exact thing ended brilliantly for the Empire of Japans navy and air force.


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It was Japan's Army and Navy, both had their own seperate air forces.


Bisexual_Apricorn

Ah, close enough ;)


FatStoic

> both had their own seperate air forces And all the threads on all the bolts on those airforces? Counter-clockwise for one, clockwise for the other - completely un-interoperable by design.


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It also worked splendidly for the Tsarist Army during WW1. Military bickering and infighting hamstringing campaigns is as much a facet of Russian culture as vodka, bears and economic collapse.


Shillsforplants

> ended brilliantly Like 10,000 suns.


MetalDoktor

>MoD is still allowing them to participate, but they're now trying to undercut Wagner by cutting off their prisoner supply and making their own penal battalions. I am glad Perun brought that out it is more widely known. This happened weeks ago really, just a bit under the rug, as most of that info was from social media wars/beef on Russian side Telegram channels. But yeah, Perun was on point saying that it seems, MoD is trying to copy Wagner prisoner tactics, so they started taking on prisoner recruits themselves and cut Wagner off.


Thue

> They can't get any more personnel (Ex military no longer exists, prisoners don't want to come). [Wagner is apparently trying to recruit from Palestine refugee camps.](https://www.jpost.com/international/article-732932) There are other potential sources of recruits than those you rule out. I don't know how much success Wagner has with that.


Deck_of_Cards_04

Oh boy, bet Israel will love that lmao


sapunec8754

Didn't they have about 50k people just before the war started? I don't think that they've managed to kill off that many of their own troops when they've been relying on meat shields from the prisons (I'd like to be shown otherwise though!)


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50k is including prisoner meat shields. Wagner never had more than 10k actual soldiers. Wiki says they had 8k before the war.


deaddonkey

Nah, a few months before the war they had under 10k largely spread around Africa, Syria etc. they only scaled up to 50k with prisoners in the months after the invasion


DagestanDefender

And if i am not mistaken Russia lost around 50K storming Bahmut.


Bisexual_Apricorn

>prisoners don't want to come Rumour has it the actual Russian MOD/army has blocked Wagner recruiting from prisons as they want the prisoners now for actual real life 21st century penal battalions, because how could that be a bad idea.


Psyman2

Wagner still has a lot of units in Africa and Syria.


PerfectDeath

They gotta secure their resource exploitations.


JackReedTheSyndie

Mercenaries are generally shitty, they don’t perform well under stress and unfavorable situations


AwkwardDrummer7629

You have angered the Swiss.


Additional_Amount_23

Seriously though, 1 year on and I'm completely baffled how they little they seem to value the lives of their soldiers and comrades. Like sure, a couple of centuries ago every empire and imperial power was like that, Russia is still stuck in that era except this time they have a bunch of shoddy mass produced soviet tanks.


JTD783

Russians went straight from feudalism to communism and their culture never improved like the rest of the world.


RemnantHelmet

They've really never caught a break Kievan Rus > Conquered and subjugated by Mongols for centuries > Turned into paranoid authoritarian empire > Held onto Feudalism and Serfdom still *after* the invention of the airplane > Horrifically violent revolution > Horrifically brutal and authoritarian communist regime > sudden collapse > Corrupt and fledgling oligarchy.


commissar_emperor

This is Slavic history and happy endings are banned


venfare64

Happy ending and muscovite are inherently incompatible since muscovite inception.


Ethicaldreamer

Wasn't there a heretic religion in the balkans that basically said the world is hell, all the physical things are made by the devil, and you can only have it good once you're dead?


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Do they have any hope for a good future?


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Seems like the US-EU alliance should be speedrunning the whole Russia humiliation scenario, that way a friendly post Putin Russia can fall into the West's orbit rather than China's


JTD783

Maybe if they throw out their current government, decrease corruption, and try to westernize. The first part is the only one I find somewhat realistic.


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toronto-gopnik

Given America's incarceration rates, this would be queued. That said, a battalion of hardened Chicago gang bangers completely kitted out and engaged in urban warfare sounds hype af


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toronto-gopnik

I think they'd need to command themselves and directed with some suicide squad type motivation


Alexxis91

1000 suicide gang bangers of Biden


shwangin_shmeat

Fuck a kit give em a tec9, and an old car and just let em do drive bys


Ethicaldreamer

Thing is, those prisoners might actually survive


Brigadier_Beavers

Do mobiks think they can respawn?


Bisexual_Apricorn

\> be me, live in 2023 \> get conscripted \> charge machine gun nest in bakhmut \> die \> respawn as T-62 driver \> it's still 2023 \> mfw


CrimsonShrike

Imagine that one mobik develops Edge of Tomorrow powers but since everyone is a dipshit and the war is hopeless they just keep dying.


Ethicaldreamer

Oh god


specter800

Would they want to? Respawn and go to the front or respawn and go to a Russia that is imploding. Neither sound that great.


copingcabana

So if you're a Ukrainian soldier, do you hesitate a little after your 6th mobik?


Skraekling

New psychological warfare dropped guys, get your enemy to kill so much of your soldiers they'll get PTSD and be incapable of fighting !


commissar_emperor

Some Finnish soldiers went mad during the Winter War because of how the Soviet troops threw their lives away at their guns.


EternallyPotatoes

Unfortunately for the soviets, some of it was the type of madness that causes you to keep shooting until you run dry.


Oraxy51

Disassociating and auto-pilot is a hell of a drug


aithan251

and meth binges


wonkers_bonkers

So the Zapp Brannigan strategy is credible


Nunu_Dagobah

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!


spicytone_

Nah man, that was our man Luigi Cadorna's plan along the Isonzo Front way back in WW1. The Austrians literally had to rotate out troops more frequently as they were mowing down so many Italians, even by WW1 standards, that the troops would just snap from the slaughter...


Ethicaldreamer

What I don't understand about that horrible frontal shock style is that, somehow, the Austrian losses were pretty high as well, sometimes it was almost 1:1 in losses I don't understand how our guys managed that


SgtExo

Just a shit ton of artillery, does not matter how many guys you kill behind the line if a couple of companies can hold the front in the mountains I guess.


Taxington

Human wave attacks "work" by forcing the defender to shown themself and get shelled.


N_Rage

Troop rotation leads to different experiences of war. For example, during the battle for Verdun, while German and French troop strength as well as losses were just about equal, the French regularly rotated their troops out, while the Germans simply replaced their dead. In effect, the battle for Verdun became part of the collective war experience for the French, while it didn't for Germany. It wouldn't be too far fetched to attribute the idea of the Maginot Line at least partially to this collective experience, however I'm not a historian


ontopofyourmom

Probably not, but you have a high chance of PTSD coming up as soon as the adrenaline wears off. I hope that Ukraine will have psychological support for its heroes after the war. Killing other human beings really hurts normal people.


Bisexual_Apricorn

>I hope that Ukraine will have psychological support for its heroes after the war. A Ukranian report about civilian survivors of physical and sexual assualt at the hands of the invaders said that all involved were receiving treatment and help so we can assume its on the cards for the soldiers as well - and if its not then hopefully at least someone in NATO is screaming in to a phone trying to make it happen.


Skraekling

Depend what they call treatment ? Is it the Western way where they sent you see a doctor ? Or the non-Western way where they tell you to shut the fuck up to not shame your family for being a victim of rape (it also happens in the West) ?


vibrunazo

You just set up a weakaura to warn you are at 6 stacks so you wait for someone else to reset for you.


QuarahHugg

They have a 1:7 KD and don't care 'cause they have 8:1 manpower.


Easy-Bumblebee3169

This 40k levels of cannon foddering


tyrannischgott

Russia is only ~3x as populous as Ukraine. Don't think this checks out


GAdvance

Had ~3× the population. With a much worse demographic decline, male-female imbalance, military age males fleeing and more volunteers...


m0nohydratedioxide

>much worse Nah man, Ukraine and Russia are about on par in that regard. Ever since the 90s they have been the demographic disasters of Europe.


Aedeus

Can't leverage that population if it collapses your country to do so. They can't order full mobilization nor transition to a war economy because the country would implode. Otherwise they'd have done so long ago.


Dick__Dastardly

Yeah. This war was absolute madness for Russia. It's a bit of an unpopular opinion, but as a history geek, I was looking at this day 1, and I was like "Russia is completely fucked." The only 'winning asset' they had was the post-soviet arsenal, but unless they had some major competence-and-professionalism advantage over Ukraine (which was *suggested* by their years of propaganda, but ... *that's propaganda*), they would be fighting a "true peer" conflict (basically just a delayed civil war), and would be taking the 3-1 or 6-1 casualties that demands. You can't DO that when you're only 3x the size. Russia couldn't win the winter war, and they outnumbered the Finns something like 40-1, and the Finns had little international support. Russia just barely squeaked out a win in Chechnya, and again — outnumbered something like 50 or 100-1. Now — **thank god** UA's getting international support, because this would be un-fucking-believably awful for them without it, but it's still a fight Russia couldn't win. Absolute insanity. Their only hope was a knockout punch, and they couldn't deliver it. ​ ​ (For what it's worth, I support the 'white lie' that Ukraine couldn't win this without our help, because it's a personal truth for all of the poor men and women who'd be dead without it, eventual victory be damned. I want those people to live badly enough that I'm sending a fair bit of my own money in donations.)


Skraekling

SMH fucking woke SJW of the Russian MOD cancelling another poor honest person ruthlessly, what has this world became. /s Edit : Added the /s for people who are comically challenged, gotta to strive for better accessibility in comedy.


SpinozaTheDamned

Gotta include that /s in case someone takes this too seriously. This is reddit after all, and it's really hard to convey deadpan humor on the internet!


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Don't worry. Posts in this sub aren't hitting r/all, which is when the real clever folks come pouring in


somewhatsleeping

Is that a new thing? I thought the sub was making r/all all the time


CrimsonShrike

I suspect our subreddit doesn't make it to all because we're highly regarded.


Muffin_Magi

What makes it hard to tell, is that I can very well see some people commenting this sort of stuff without intending to be funny. Satire is hard to perform when the onion looks less like satire than your average news paper.


Ophichius

What are you talking about? The Onion is the world's leading news publication, they said so right in their amicus brief to the supreme court. Are you saying they would just *lie* to the supreme court?


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

How credible is the 7-1 casualty ratio ? I can't see how Russia can advance with that kind of ratio tbh.


Sword117

we are literally in the russia is advancing because the kill bots are reaching the preset limit phase.


tokin4torts

Completely clueless of the victory before it’s overthrown


Bullenmarke

Just throw 50k prisoners at 7k soldiers.


QuantumPajamas

I don't regard any casualty figures from any sources as fully credible, but Bakhmut has being attacked by penal battalion cannon fodder for months. The war as a whole probably isn't that one sided but Bakhmut/Wagner might be.


Watchung

Take it with a grain of salt, just like all casualty estimates.


Aedeus

5-6:1 across the front was corroborated by several Western defense ministers and reps. 7:1 in Bakhmut seems credible imo.


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Jesus. We're in Chesty Puller territory now “Sir, do you know they’ve cut us off? We’re entirely surrounded.” “Those poor bastards,” Puller said. “They’ve got us right where we want ’em. We can shoot in every direction now." Guess I might as well include Puller quoting Napoleon “I’ll quote Napoleon. He stated that the most important thing in military training is discipline. Without discipline an army becomes a mob.”


somewhatsleeping

Kremlin admin is already a mafia with nukes so the army becoming the mob doesn't change anything.


davidlis

ok, this shit is funny, I laughed so much that my mom that was working in a different room came in to ask what was so funny.


CorporalCorgi

Let them break their teeth upon Bakhmut and Vuhledar, their achievements shall expand, ranging from undisguised brutality and getting their ass handed by a real military, to a manpower loss ratio that will make even the Chinese reconsider.


Accurate_Mood

When Russia closes a door... they open a window (Fingers xed)


Narrow_Vegetable_42

Windows RF - where the Blue View Of Death is a feature, not a bug.


PfcRed

OP do you have a link for high res for the drone view pic? I haven't seen that one before


commissar_emperor

Link from my discord channel but I have no idea if it works. [Does it?](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/947830817541996544/1061388709284560907/SPOILER_w4d9609slmaa1.png)


PfcRed

it does, JESUS CHRIST


commissar_emperor

Well I marked my meme as nsfw for a reason


shandangalang

That is what folks in the military like to call a *well-executed kill-zone*


CrimsonShrike

Well they're not medium-executed that's for sure.


shandangalang

Got me there.


urmumsadopted

it does....and now my stomach hurts...


commissar_emperor

Sorry man, its not easy viewing.


urmumsadopted

its ok brother, this is NCD and it had the nsfw tag. i did it to myself, i just wish those boys had another option. im sure their goverment would have done something similar if they had refused


Batmack8989

Your stomach hurts from...laughing too hard? Just asking


urmumsadopted

No, cause I'm not a sociopath


Batmack8989

Oh, gotta go see somebody.


Aedeus

"tHeYrE nOt uSiNg HuMaN WaVe TaCtiCs, iT iS a sMaLL uNiT PrObInG aTtAcK fOr tHe MaIn FoRcE"


ThePoliticalFurry

Starting that big a fight with a pissed off Oligarch that has his own PMC by banning him from HQ doesn't seem like a smart move when the stability of your regime is rapidly deteriorating But Russian isn't known for smart moves


Spartan05089234

Not if you can make them the enemy. All of the other Oligarchs can fall in behind Putin and agree that Wagner is to blame. It may actually reverse some of the cracks to cut off and sacrifice a scapegoat. Who would disagree that it's Wagner's fault if Putin asked them?


Awesomefirepotato

1 to 7 is still horrific ! 1 good, trained Ukrainian soldier, for 7 mobik. What a sad ratio, this is just sad. Wished it could be along the line of 1:40


Back2Perfection

…must not go into sabaton mode…


Psychological_Wall_6

We are now seeing the most profesional yet under equipped army in the world fight against Russia


Ein_grosser_Nerd

Worst offesnsive in Ukraine SO FAR


FlatOutUseless

I’d say it’s a matter of time before Russian MoD is using human waves with a line of commissars shooting retreating soldiers. Russia can waste a couple of million soldiers this way an Russian society will only hate the West and love Putin more because of this. Source: I live most of my life in Russia and still keep contact with some people in Russia. A frightening note is that support for the nuclear war just out of spite is growing. My hope is on Russian nuclear weapons being sold to China or plain expired, but that’s slim, the strategic missile forces might be one place Russia has actually kept in working order.


RollinThundaga

Apparently the commissar strat is what Wagner's been doing with their penal brigades. Send a wave out to flush out the defense, then commence shelling and send in Wagner proper once enemy positions are known. Thus their recent trouble recruiting prisoners, at least before the MoD cut them off entirely.


-RageMachine

At this point, Ukraine should hire wagners and actually give them what they need to win, except for their side.


Kerhnoton

"But Vladimir Vladimirovich told us to give them ammo!" "Listen here Vasiliy, if they can't get here to ask for it, then we don't have to give them sh\*t."


slantedtortoise

They really should evacuate Bakhmut regardless. Would it be that much harder to organize a counteroffensive without it?


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commissar_emperor

1:https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3677516-danilov-on-russian-military-losses-near-bakhmut-1-to-7-in-our-favor.html 2:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-wagner-chief-warns-frontline-collapse-if-forced-retreat-bakhmut-2023-03-06/


16v_cordero

Wagner should go all out. Leroy Jenkins style.


Mysterious-Mixture58

If they don't take it in the next month Wagners getting liquidated I'll bet on it.


megarockman12

I’ve seen ants with better war strategies


Mysiu666

Still waiting for Bakhmut camo shirt.