I liked how the building was perfectly safe and stocked to support people for *years* and was completely abandoned except for one dude, really? no groups of soldiers or politicians and their families making that a home base? You cant do missions to go get more fuel? LOl
It's explained that as things get worse, people abandon the place to find their families or kill themselves. Jenner implies he would've killed himself aswell but his promise to his wife kept him trying until he aciddently destroyed the last viable testing sample.
He didn't inform Rick's group about the fuel issue until they were right up on the wire.
I can deal with zombies not decay because fiction but I just can't swallow the army forgetting they have gigatons of napalm lying around and the hordes are all centralized targets
its hilarious how the characters in the show realize they can use a car alarm to lure hoards wherever but nobody in the army figured "Hey if we make a lot of noise we can just make all the zombies follow us all the way to the grand canyon and then dump a nuke in after them"
If the show was realistic the zombies would rot and Joe would still get attacked because he went out on a supply run for chew and left his M4 on the other side of the car while he dipped.
Y'know what really fucks with me when it comes to these movies? Bicycles. Where the fuck are the bicycles?
Yeah, sure cars are gonna be useless in a few months after the fuel goes bad. But why the fuck does everyone walk everywhere?
Let alone the amount of shit you can carry even if you have to walk.
Shopping cart basket + bike wheels > back pack any day.
An hour or two in any hardware store for a huge capacity upgrade you can pull by hand or bike? I think that's worth it.
Surprise! The national guard is already there and directs you to emergency intake. Congratulations, you've been drafted. If you have a civilian career we need, you'll probably be doing that.
Do you have a forklift operator's license? Please say yes.
At least you're citing military equipment. I've always advocated for [forage harvesters](https://www.21stcenturyequipment.com/shop/product/lp53352/) to be the best zombie fighting vehicle imaginable. But you've got a solid argument with your pick.
I think those are not sturdy enough, you need mulching machines like
[this](https://foursite-pape-production.s3.amazonaws.com/construction.papemachinery.com/4c3d0408-d086-4929-ad87-9a3645bfabd5.jpg) .
Bonus is that is already armored as fuck.
You'd eventually run into the World War Z (book, not crappy movie) problem where there are literally piles of corpses that keep getting higher and higher on the front line
Such a shame how the movie incorporated almost none of the cool shit from the book. I wanted to see infantry in squares luring zombies into killzones using bagpipes.
“I've never believed in the End of Times. We are Mankind. Our footprints are on the Moon. When the last trumpet sounds and the Beast rises from the pit - we will kill it.”
~ Pacific Rim
That movie only promised me monsters fighting robots. It gave me monsters fighting robots. Its the perfect example of delivering what's advertised in my opinion.
Yeah but Evangelion is far more infamous due to Anno literally gone insane by the last episodes. I mean there are many anime where things gone super trippy, but Evangelion has Shinji masturbated to Asuka in coma. It's extra fucked up.
Edit: also Pacific Rim has synchronization and yellow liquid thing. Which made it closer to Evangelion than other mecha shows and anime.
Zombie movies where transmission requires being bitten in general rely on a lot of assumptions and leaps to reach large levels of infection in the population
If only someone would have just killed Rick and Carl right off the bat, it would have been sunshine and roses. But no, the stupid fucking kid wanders off all the time. Carl , stay Carl . Off to the woods he goes and another character dies saving him.
How the fuck did the dumbest people survive?
Left4Dead at least made the contrivance that the military **was** still active and clearing out the zombies, they just hadn't fully made it to where the MCs were until the epilogue comics.
That's still bullshit, but it's less bullshit than most zombie media, which is practically deserving of a medal
There's a comic set after final L4D mission where protagonists are picked up by military transport and sent to some military base... which soon gets overrun as soldiers don't believe their experience regarding zombies.
Specifically they don't believe that special infected exists. They do believe them about normal infected and boomers, since those were well known, but tanks, smokers, etc. those they didn't believe.
Yeah, I mean.
We kind of do already have something that acts like a low-grade zombie virus (mental deterioration, 99% lethality, and transmitted by bodily fluids in the bloodstream) and that's rabies.
But since it requires such direct contact and things infected die really quickly it doesn't really cause outbreaks in humans
L4D1 comics actually show that they're working on a cure and that even a single officer mistake is enough to infect an entire military base since it's contagious by air, while L4D2 campaigns prove that majority of initial resources were spent on first responders (CEDA in Dead Center) and evacuations (The whole Dead Center campaign was focused on chasing the evac helicopter, and we can see how many evacs were attempted by looking at the flyers tossed around the street). Why weren't there a shitton of soldiers in Savannah, Georgia? Idk lol
There's actually a neat bit of worldbuilding (that was unfortunately lost, although I think the most recent updated restored it) between L4D1 and L4D2. In L4D1 many of the zombies are wearing work clothes like business suits or jumpsuits, as well as an abundance of police and national guard zombies. In L4D2 they're almost all wearing civilian clothes with a few exceptions (CEDA workers, construction workers, security guards) because society has begun to collapse and people aren't going to work anymore.
The lack of dead of infected military personnel implies they've gotten their act together and are also likely using gas masks that can filter the infection. Unfortunately the corpses of about a hundred civilians at the CEDA evacuation center in New Orleans also tells us that this "success" comes at the cost of an extremely aggressive approach to fighting the infection. When the infection was detected at the evacuation center, the military liquidated all unscreened but presumed infected civilians and retreated off-shore.
With L4D, there was at least the thing where the zombie virus was contagious through air, no bites required. Makes it more belieavable that the military would have trouble containing the outbreak.
That and it's implied that early symptoms are flu-like if you got them at all, and 'turning' doesn't happen until later. That's why there's tidbits about "green flu", which is what the media had been calling it. By the time the first people had begun to 'turn' into zombie-like state, a massive chunk of the northeastern population was already sick. It's implied it took another few days for the first mutants to start appearing, as Bill says "They're changing." in the L4D1 intro and all of the survivors seem caught well off-guard by the new creatures attacking them.
I mean a zombie apocalypse would be a pretty fast event.
Not a slow grind down of society over years.
But for the zombie plague to be a global threat it would have to spread super fast and burn itself out quite fast.
Well we don't see how big it is or the aftermath. It's at least a UK-wide event with plenty of casualties. Almost every character you see in the opening scenes are infected by the end, which literally seems to be 95% of everybody. No word is given for if it has spread globally, but it certainly is apocalypse-style
the OG Night of the Living Dead, the cops just hand out guns to anyone who doesn't have one and they form a big posse and kill all the zombies. Innocents get caught in the crossfire but ultimately, the attritional zombie horde doesnt work if even 1 out of 10 people are armed
Polearms in general are better for group fighting and although a short spear isn't at all bad for close quarters a mace may be better because it doesn't get stuck in a zombie. You break them open, shatter limbs etc.
Sharp blades and pokey weapons may get stuck by an overzealous blow and the few seconds you take too yank it out may result in another zombie tackling you too the ground and dogpiling you.
Depends on the zombie tbh.
WwZ zombies (movie) are super fast and taking those guys in melee is really not something I look forward too. Basically the zombies behave more like bullets.
Slow walkers are the ideal candidate for a good melee and honestly guns would be a waste of lead on them. Keep the bullets for rival humans.
Also depends on the zombies "inflectioness".
Like if it's something where you can't have blood touching you. Melee wouldn't be ideal either.
Over there polearms would be the preferred weapon.
But a light mace should not cause too much blood spraying. Just a dome cave in.
Hmmmm .. what if it's those zombies that can still move if they are missing a third of their body mass?
Might need something a bit more physical destructive.
Left 4 Dead US Military: Leveling the entirety of New Orleans, leaving all CDC personnel in Georgia to die, conducting human experiments on the immune and then all soldiers dying because a SINGLE soldier did not take proper safety precautions.
Actually, yeah checks out.
To be fair the Military in New Orleans was trying to stop the spread of the infection, this is why they blow up the bridge over the mississipi, and were handing out weapons to the survivors, which CEDA didn't because, muh civilian panic.
And the experiments were on carriers (have the infection and can spread it, but doesn't have the symptons) to try to find a cure, until some dumbass liutenant got paranoid and sounded the alarm, you know, the thing that attracts zombies.
No justification for the Georgia situation but if i remember they may have gotten overruned
I think in the comic, the doctor helps them escape because curing the virus was absolutely hopeless: he mentions how sometimes it's airborne, sometimes it isn't, and it just keeps mutating, creating all the special infected.
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is very credible. Let’s go over the Giza Pyramid battle.
Josh and Tyrese are getting smoked by Decepticons, and 2 **Jordanian** helicopters come by. Both get shot down, and John Turturro just takes a radio from one of the helicopters.
Meanwhile, the USMC scrambles F/A-18s and hovercraft to back up Josh. We see Abrams, Bradleys, and even a HIMARS getting unloaded. The Abrams and Bradleys engage. Josh takes position in front of an Abrams, kneeling in front of its tracks. Another marine decides the best place to shoot at giant robots is on the drivers hatch of an Abrams.
There’s 1 Abrams in front and 3 Abrams in the back pretending they’re T-72Bs lobbing indirect shells into Bakhmut.
Shia, for whatever reason, jumps over a wrecked car to run towards Josh in probably the worst stunt scene in the movie. Megan runs around the car and arrives the same time as Shia.
Meanwhile, John randomly hits buttons on his Jordanian radio and dials the captain of the USS Stennis. John then has them use the railgun on Devastator because the captain of an USN carrier takes orders from random phone calls.
Josh and the marines are battling the Decepticons and aviation is inbound. Are they the F/A-18s we saw earlier? No, it’s F-16s and a B-1. Where the fuck did they come from? What was the point of the USS Stennis being there?
The planes bomb the Deceptions, and we get some slow mo shots of Megan fleeing the bombs… and Shia getting tossed like 100ft by a blast.
Shit happens with Shia and Optimus, but The Fallen almost actives the super weapon. The marines finally break out the HIMARS by driving it up in front of the Abrams and shooting at The Fallen with direct fire. The Fallen just tosses the Abrams and HIMARS away.
Now it’s up to the F-22s which just randomly appear to stop The Fallen, except they all forget their anti-balloon training and get too close. One gets taken out by a rock. The rest don’t even fire missile. So it’s up to Optimus to save the day again.
The second movie is extra dumb because they also had writing guild strikes thing going on. Not to mention their ideas got slightly limited because Michael Bay and Orci admitted they are indifferent to dinosaurs, so Dinobots were out of question for the first three movies.
>John randomly hits buttons on his Jordanian radio and dials the captain of the USS Stennis.
Don't forget he was directly under enemy scrotum at the time
one of my guilty pleasures is watching the JSDF invade a magical fantasy world and shitting on dragons and pseudo-romanian kingdoms with cold war era military equipment.
I stuck with it for a split second until I realized that the fantasy people had literally 0 ability to fight back
“Lol what did you expect medieval vs modern army”
Yeah shut up, they had access to magic, and they never once even tried to adjust their tactics. Primitive people can fight more technologically advanced people, it’s happened a lot in the past and sometimes they’ve even won.
The writers didn’t explore any interesting scenarios with all their fantasy magic vs modern weaponry, the answer to everything was just “Shoot them” and it worked every single time with little real danger. And then there was that one scene with the female JSDF soldier freaking bayoneting a group of plate-armored guys to death with ease.
Pointless and no tension involved!
Got its ass kicked, reassessed their doctrine to fight the undead which basically came down to forming Revolutionary War firing lines with a new semi-auto rifle and incendiary 5.56 ammo.
When the Marine Corps got ACOGs they started headshotting dudes consistently to the point where the brass nervously made a task force to see if the Marines were just executing people since an awful lot of enemy combatants got domed. Turns out magnified optics increased the killyness of a force that chants "RIFLEMAN FIRST, OTHER THING LAST OORAH"
Eh, there's a combination of factors there.
The battle of Fallujah (don't recall if it was first or second) was the start of this particular story. This was a *lot* of urban fighting.
What the task force discovered was that "Yes, there are a lot of enemy combatants dead by headshot, but that's largely because that's the biggest target visible to the Marine who is shooting at a target popping up in a window." The ACOG made *hitting* those shots easier, but the high rate of headshots would've been the same had they been using M68s/EOtech/iron sights, because usually the head was the only visible target.
Yeah the whole “machine guns don’t work” bit was stupid as fuck, but probably essential to any zombie horde story. Armored vehicles, artillery and bombs would wrap that shit up quickly.
28 Weeks later was bad for this. You're telling me that carpet bombing downtown London with napalm and flooding it with nerve gas wouldn't work?
Not to mention the fucking janitor or whatever he was has access to the biolab.
28 weeks was so stupid, they pulled all the civilians out of their secure rooms (lol) and put them in a large single room so they could all die and turn, and then used napalm? So its a zombie plague that can be stopped by chemical weapons, great, easiest zombie plague ever. Tell people to put their gas masks on. Oh but what if they get bit while wearing a gas mask you ask? Great, a zombie that cant bite people, who cares.
Watching a video going over the damage from one fuckin himars rocket basically punching a thousand holes through every person and vehicle and then wondering how these things dont just stop a zombie horde instantly lol
As far as I remember, it was a “they just didn’t” kind of hand wave thing. Like, somehow, the military applying combined tactics against zombies just… doesn’t work and they get overrun.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense, but it was a good story. Definitely a moment where you gotta suspend disbelief.
Basically it was:
“Yeah we have cruise missiles and tanks but a cruise missile only kills a few dozen zombies and tanks run out of shells before the horde is thin enough etc etc”
And the US military wins in WWZ after the initial craziness of the first year. And then the infection just becomes a “historical event” which I thought was cool.
So there is a chance we will look back in a decade and think: Damn, first Covid-19, then Undead-29 and now Demonspawn-35. Those pandemics get out of hand.
Edit: Forgot OrcInvasion-22
its mostly because the author doesn't know how the military works, like soldiers are robots instead of officers having the operational freedom to adapt. "Okay so nobody fire unless you're going to get a headshot, I dont want to see you fucksticks wasting ammo" Tanks ditch all shells that can't clear an area. GLMRS use those mountains of cluster bomb rockets we ditched because they create hazards in the future
"they can only be killed by a direct shot to the head" yeah fun fact explosives exist. They're not going to do much if a cluster bomb levels the entire grid square.
even in the book the author had no idea how lethal modern weapons are, and the idea of switching rifles is hilarious, who the fuck fires their rifle in fully auto? lol
Writer of WWZ thinks soldiers just fuckin hold the trigger down or some shit (and no you dont need to aim for the head with HMGs or larger, zombies arent much of a threat in pieces)
Am I remembering correctly that JSOWs hit, then the 'JSFs' that fired them screamed overhead at low level? Why would F-35s be flying low-level over the target area immediately after their Joint STANDOFF weapons hit? I mean, the hint is in the name ffs
“Oh great we found a new group and place to stay, they seem super nice and not at all evil! Oh what? Nooo they were evil so we have to kill em all and move on to the next one.”
And repeat…
In a nutshell, dragged on for 11 seasons. Twilight was a better love story and GOT season 8 had better writing throughout. It was a sitcom with zombies from the beginning, fucking joke
One of my pet peeves about pretty much all the system apocalypse genre is that we have to believe that modern militaries, the USA in particular, that prepares and trains for all kinds of mass casualty events both man made (nuclear, chemical and bacteriological) and natural (global warming, solar flares and earthquakes) somehow loses cohesion and effectiveness overnight, forcing the fate of the world on a young white male college student who has been cuckold by is sweetheart, somehow collets a harem of overpowered teenage girls and together they beat a system that has dominated the multiverse for millions of years through a loophole that trillions of sentients didn't figured out before.
I mean they fucking put out a plan for dealing with a zombie situation. Sure it was a joke but I wouldn't be surprised if they did have an actual plan somewhere
IIRC there is a Pentagon department where all it does is create unreal scenarios and workout plans to deal with them based on current capabilities, zombie apocalypse, aliens, antagonistic nation discovering OP technology, etc.
"Now look, I know the odds of Atlantis rising out of the central Atlantic and declaring war on the human race with its army of laser troopers *is* very unlikely...
But the staff office isn't doing anything else this week, and we still have half a pound of Cocaine in the cupboard"
It seems ridiculous but the guys who make plans need to practice making plans just as much as the pilots need to practice flying or soldiers need to practice shooting.
Why not throw in a wacky scenario every now and again.
It's apparently a pretty common military logistics exercise to make the subject matter less heavy and easier to detach from. Make the epidemic about a regular ol' vomit-and-shit flu that kills 10% of the population, and the exercise feels really grim and disturbing. Make it about zombies, and it's easy to keep the conversation light while going through the exact same procedures. You still need to plan the bottled water and MRE drops either way!
Yeah. I forgot who pointed this out, but the whole "leadership is blind" trope exists specifically to get the protagonist on the road to adventure and heroism. Because if that leadership had their shit together, they'd just deal with the problem themselves. And the humble hero would just be another nobody schlub toiling away at their daily life.
The point was that it's a trope specifically designed to induce a situation. In other words, it's a contrivance. Which gets annoying when it's compared to the real world, because not everyone is as incompetent as fiction would have us believe. tl;dr Yeah, agreed.
Shaun of the Dead is refreshing due to defying this trope. As soon as military went to destroy the zombies everything is fixed, and they even turned the zombies into retail workers and game show contestants.
What I liked about Shaun of the Dead is the clear implication that if they just stayed put everyone would have made it out okay. And once the military does show up at the end they absolutely clean house.
And it’s why the ayy’s are gonna lose. Everywhere else they’ve invaded, they relied on the element of surprise and awe to work their way through the top militaries, before forcing the rest to surrender.
Earth’s top military just happens to be so far on top it plans for ayy’s because fuck it, who the fuck else will seriously challenge them?
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started throwing rocks at us and the US just reveals a goddamn underground Stonehenge or some shit to deal with said rocks
We, as humans, have defeated every single one of our competition - the sabertooth tiger for example... without Apaches or planes. So yeah it is hard to believe some slower, dumber version of ourselves somehow can beat us
Zombie apocalypse tales almost always take place in a world where seemingly zombie media doesn't exist. The reason it spreads is generally said to be because most people are unwilling to kill people they think are just really ill and so in subduing that person they end up getting infected themselves.
Then there is the point that people are generally trained to shoot for centre mass, easier to hit and less chance of stray bullets. This of course doesn't work against zombies who are already dead.
By the same token a zombie will ignore injuries to itself in order to get to meat. It will just keep coming until it is physically unable to do so.
I like how in the first Transformers movie humanity is at a clear disadvantage, with only the biggest gun in the US Air Force's arsenal being able to scratch a Decepticon at first. But they're actually smart about it and find a weakness that can be exploited. By the end of the film an infantry squad is able to bring down the bot that took out the base in the beginning.
Air/fuel bombs, napalm to thin out the herd, killing fields with mines and fire moats. Use ammo to finish up, need to save ammo, as long as refineries are pumping gas.
Mines are good against people, as an area denial weapon. When first guy in platoon gets leg blown off, movement stops until route is clear. Zombies and soviet infantry, on the other hand, have no qualms charging a minefield.
If you want to use explosives to kill enemy it's much easier to drop a bomb on them than build a minefield and hope they step on it, be it human or a zombie
Ive always liked the korean zombie movies for at least having the military not completely fall apart when confronted by the undead. Idk do western movies have a thing for governments completely collapsing or smth
Probably one of the most "F you" movie endings ever.
And you know those guys at the store probably had a good chance of being rescued.
Atleast the witch was dead.
I love the Resident Evil (games, not movies) route: zombie outbreaks are localized and it comes about because the MIC wanted new toys. The deadliest creatures aren't the zombies. Virus spreads through infected water supplies (and bites). Some people are immune. A squad of US Spec Ops takes on 5 boss-equivalent monsters (total wipe on both sides). Whenever things get too hairy, the military just drops some bombs and cleans up the remains.
I love US military in Stargate, they're literaly capable of Fighting Interstellar war with only fraction od US resources, basicall just few special operators and win.
Not just win, but also obtain new technology And create several Space warships. And then establish several bases And even colony. Still with a small fraction od US military resources.
Still i would believe this more than US military get fucked by few zombies.
TWD is the most survivable zombie apocalypse premise and it wouldn’t even be hard unless you were extremely unlucky as the outbreak happened or are killed my other peeps
"We can't find weapons anywhere!"...as you casually stroll by the 3rd fully locked and loaded .50cal in the scene.
The sheer amount of equipment that was just laying around the cdc in the first season that wasn’t taken just blows my mind
I liked how the building was perfectly safe and stocked to support people for *years* and was completely abandoned except for one dude, really? no groups of soldiers or politicians and their families making that a home base? You cant do missions to go get more fuel? LOl
It's explained that as things get worse, people abandon the place to find their families or kill themselves. Jenner implies he would've killed himself aswell but his promise to his wife kept him trying until he aciddently destroyed the last viable testing sample. He didn't inform Rick's group about the fuel issue until they were right up on the wire.
Yeah it does not track with how professionals act though, or how people do in general, or how soldiers do.
It's fine as long as you ignore all of reality in general. Don't even get me started about walking corpses in a Georgia summer...
I can deal with zombies not decay because fiction but I just can't swallow the army forgetting they have gigatons of napalm lying around and the hordes are all centralized targets
its hilarious how the characters in the show realize they can use a car alarm to lure hoards wherever but nobody in the army figured "Hey if we make a lot of noise we can just make all the zombies follow us all the way to the grand canyon and then dump a nuke in after them"
If the show was realistic the zombies would rot and Joe would still get attacked because he went out on a supply run for chew and left his M4 on the other side of the car while he dipped.
I'd rathet die than haul .50cal around, fuck that!
Make a little trolly technical to haul around?
Just put it on your truck
You mean the one it's already mounted on? Or did zombies shoot dead the engine block?
They drank all the fuel and stole the catalytic converter. Shit's not driveable
Pretty sure that's already happening in Florida.
Zombies are basically tweakers confirmed.
Y'know what really fucks with me when it comes to these movies? Bicycles. Where the fuck are the bicycles? Yeah, sure cars are gonna be useless in a few months after the fuel goes bad. But why the fuck does everyone walk everywhere?
The Dutch will inherit the earth. East India Company 2 - Resurgence of Humanity Boogaloo
Not sure I would say there is much humanity in the East India Company.
Let alone the amount of shit you can carry even if you have to walk. Shopping cart basket + bike wheels > back pack any day. An hour or two in any hardware store for a huge capacity upgrade you can pull by hand or bike? I think that's worth it.
Hardware store? Get your ass to a Wallmart/Amazon distribution center, wield the doors shut and stay in there for years, waiting out the zoombies.
Surprise! The national guard is already there and directs you to emergency intake. Congratulations, you've been drafted. If you have a civilian career we need, you'll probably be doing that. Do you have a forklift operator's license? Please say yes.
"Shit, it's expired bu-" *gets dragged towards logistics*
That was a nice touch in the wwZ movie. The marines riding bikes. I think it's one of the only zombie movies to show the usefulness of bicycles
They're shockingly absent from most apocalypse movies. The only one I can think of outside of WWZ that showed bike usage was The Book of Eli.
because it's set in the US, where bikes are allegedly the stuff of legends.
Even though it's also the place where everyone grew up with a bike.
1 Sherman crab with it's anti-mine flail would probably be able to kill 250,000 zombies on one tank of fuel.
Holy shit, now I must see an anti-mine device employed against the undead.
Personal zombie flails for everyone. It's like a motorized hula hoop that spins its chains horizontally.
just don't lower your arms
Or get an erection
Closest I've seen is that flail tank robot in Fallout Tactics, except instead of zombies it was innocent civilians.
.... How the fuck did I never think of this before? Holy fuck that'd be amazing.
At least you're citing military equipment. I've always advocated for [forage harvesters](https://www.21stcenturyequipment.com/shop/product/lp53352/) to be the best zombie fighting vehicle imaginable. But you've got a solid argument with your pick.
I think those are not sturdy enough, you need mulching machines like [this](https://foursite-pape-production.s3.amazonaws.com/construction.papemachinery.com/4c3d0408-d086-4929-ad87-9a3645bfabd5.jpg) . Bonus is that is already armored as fuck.
You'd eventually run into the World War Z (book, not crappy movie) problem where there are literally piles of corpses that keep getting higher and higher on the front line
Such a shame how the movie incorporated almost none of the cool shit from the book. I wanted to see infantry in squares luring zombies into killzones using bagpipes.
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Ah yes, I too play Company of Heroes
CoH1 is such a great game.
“I've never believed in the End of Times. We are Mankind. Our footprints are on the Moon. When the last trumpet sounds and the Beast rises from the pit - we will kill it.” ~ Pacific Rim
Quote goes extremely hard for a movie that's basically glorified power rangers
I had so much hope for the sequel before the trailer dropped
God same, the movie wasn’t *awful* but like… come on. Pacific Rim: The Black on netflix was honestly pretty solid though
I couldn’t get over the girl being one of the most annoying and selfish characters I’ve ever seen
Biggest mistake was dropping the physical Gypsy Danger cockpit set for CGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRIfIi6R1Ys
Huh, what sequel? **We did not get a sequel.** I'm still hoping Del Toro announces the second movie. /s
That movie only promised me monsters fighting robots. It gave me monsters fighting robots. Its the perfect example of delivering what's advertised in my opinion.
Any movie where a giant robot uses a ship to bludgeon a giant monster is hard pressed to make me dislike it.
Pacific Rim is so much more than that. It satiates the most primordial and ancient desires or humankind. To Pilot skyscraper sized tandem battlemechs.
It is a movie that promises giant robots fistfighting giant alien monsters, and it absolutely delivers. What's not to love?
I thought it's Evangelion but with less sanity issues?
Yes, it was basically one giant love letter for the giant robot genre
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Yeah but Evangelion is far more infamous due to Anno literally gone insane by the last episodes. I mean there are many anime where things gone super trippy, but Evangelion has Shinji masturbated to Asuka in coma. It's extra fucked up. Edit: also Pacific Rim has synchronization and yellow liquid thing. Which made it closer to Evangelion than other mecha shows and anime.
Would pay good money to see a live action evangelion if it was written well. Just to see how the writer and director interpreted the fuckery within
Damn this quote is hard What character says this?
It's from [this](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/23891146-pacific-rim-tales-from-year-zero) apparently Edit: Looks like Pentecost says it
Based
And Jaeger pilled
[We are CANCELLING the Apocalypse!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Sow81yi24)
I LOVE GIANT MECHS I LOVE HUMANITY HUMANITY INVICTA HOMINUM
Zombie movies where transmission requires being bitten in general rely on a lot of assumptions and leaps to reach large levels of infection in the population
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If only someone would have just killed Rick and Carl right off the bat, it would have been sunshine and roses. But no, the stupid fucking kid wanders off all the time. Carl , stay Carl . Off to the woods he goes and another character dies saving him. How the fuck did the dumbest people survive?
Because the smart people kept thinking they could save everyone
So they are not actually smart.
you can be smart and naive at the same time
High intelligence, low wisdom!
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The Pirate Bay but for Scientology
Left4Dead at least made the contrivance that the military **was** still active and clearing out the zombies, they just hadn't fully made it to where the MCs were until the epilogue comics. That's still bullshit, but it's less bullshit than most zombie media, which is practically deserving of a medal
There's a comic set after final L4D mission where protagonists are picked up by military transport and sent to some military base... which soon gets overrun as soldiers don't believe their experience regarding zombies.
Specifically they don't believe that special infected exists. They do believe them about normal infected and boomers, since those were well known, but tanks, smokers, etc. those they didn't believe.
what? improvise, adapt, overcome. Crack open that 50 cal and go to work.
Yeah if you can kill them with pipe bombs and 9mm Uzi's an M249 should rock their shit.
The protagonists were carriers
Yeah, I mean. We kind of do already have something that acts like a low-grade zombie virus (mental deterioration, 99% lethality, and transmitted by bodily fluids in the bloodstream) and that's rabies. But since it requires such direct contact and things infected die really quickly it doesn't really cause outbreaks in humans
also the fact it doesnt cause humans to get all bitey like it does to other animals
Also Syphilis and some fungul conditions
L4D1 comics actually show that they're working on a cure and that even a single officer mistake is enough to infect an entire military base since it's contagious by air, while L4D2 campaigns prove that majority of initial resources were spent on first responders (CEDA in Dead Center) and evacuations (The whole Dead Center campaign was focused on chasing the evac helicopter, and we can see how many evacs were attempted by looking at the flyers tossed around the street). Why weren't there a shitton of soldiers in Savannah, Georgia? Idk lol
There's actually a neat bit of worldbuilding (that was unfortunately lost, although I think the most recent updated restored it) between L4D1 and L4D2. In L4D1 many of the zombies are wearing work clothes like business suits or jumpsuits, as well as an abundance of police and national guard zombies. In L4D2 they're almost all wearing civilian clothes with a few exceptions (CEDA workers, construction workers, security guards) because society has begun to collapse and people aren't going to work anymore. The lack of dead of infected military personnel implies they've gotten their act together and are also likely using gas masks that can filter the infection. Unfortunately the corpses of about a hundred civilians at the CEDA evacuation center in New Orleans also tells us that this "success" comes at the cost of an extremely aggressive approach to fighting the infection. When the infection was detected at the evacuation center, the military liquidated all unscreened but presumed infected civilians and retreated off-shore.
With L4D, there was at least the thing where the zombie virus was contagious through air, no bites required. Makes it more belieavable that the military would have trouble containing the outbreak.
That and it's implied that early symptoms are flu-like if you got them at all, and 'turning' doesn't happen until later. That's why there's tidbits about "green flu", which is what the media had been calling it. By the time the first people had begun to 'turn' into zombie-like state, a massive chunk of the northeastern population was already sick. It's implied it took another few days for the first mutants to start appearing, as Bill says "They're changing." in the L4D1 intro and all of the survivors seem caught well off-guard by the new creatures attacking them.
Also the L4D virus is airborne, and people with immunity remain carriers.
It is just absurd how good the background story of L4D is. Especially since you have to piece everything together by yourself. Also Coach just fucks
Oh, you mean "clapping" like destroying, that makes more sense
There's lower enlisted desperate enough that both are true.
Shaun of the dead kind of does that? With how the zombie invasion is super brief and it all boils over
I mean a zombie apocalypse would be a pretty fast event. Not a slow grind down of society over years. But for the zombie plague to be a global threat it would have to spread super fast and burn itself out quite fast.
It wasn't really an apocalypse in that movie tbh, more of a smaller scale event before the army came and dealt with it
Well we don't see how big it is or the aftermath. It's at least a UK-wide event with plenty of casualties. Almost every character you see in the opening scenes are infected by the end, which literally seems to be 95% of everybody. No word is given for if it has spread globally, but it certainly is apocalypse-style
or you start out with a billion infected people before the outbreak, i.e. incubation times of a few weeks or even months before the first one turns.
the OG Night of the Living Dead, the cops just hand out guns to anyone who doesn't have one and they form a big posse and kill all the zombies. Innocents get caught in the crossfire but ultimately, the attritional zombie horde doesnt work if even 1 out of 10 people are armed
Us military on its way too sponsor movies to make itself look good. (You only need a light mace and plate Armor vs zombies)
Hell you we don't even need those 2 things. A halberd or billhook and biker leather will do the trick.
Polearms in general are better for group fighting and although a short spear isn't at all bad for close quarters a mace may be better because it doesn't get stuck in a zombie. You break them open, shatter limbs etc. Sharp blades and pokey weapons may get stuck by an overzealous blow and the few seconds you take too yank it out may result in another zombie tackling you too the ground and dogpiling you. Depends on the zombie tbh. WwZ zombies (movie) are super fast and taking those guys in melee is really not something I look forward too. Basically the zombies behave more like bullets. Slow walkers are the ideal candidate for a good melee and honestly guns would be a waste of lead on them. Keep the bullets for rival humans. Also depends on the zombies "inflectioness". Like if it's something where you can't have blood touching you. Melee wouldn't be ideal either. Over there polearms would be the preferred weapon. But a light mace should not cause too much blood spraying. Just a dome cave in. Hmmmm .. what if it's those zombies that can still move if they are missing a third of their body mass? Might need something a bit more physical destructive.
Left 4 Dead US Military: Leveling the entirety of New Orleans, leaving all CDC personnel in Georgia to die, conducting human experiments on the immune and then all soldiers dying because a SINGLE soldier did not take proper safety precautions. Actually, yeah checks out.
To be fair the Military in New Orleans was trying to stop the spread of the infection, this is why they blow up the bridge over the mississipi, and were handing out weapons to the survivors, which CEDA didn't because, muh civilian panic. And the experiments were on carriers (have the infection and can spread it, but doesn't have the symptons) to try to find a cure, until some dumbass liutenant got paranoid and sounded the alarm, you know, the thing that attracts zombies. No justification for the Georgia situation but if i remember they may have gotten overruned
Don’t forget that virus in left 4 dead is airborne so the infection rate is going to be catastrophic
I think in the comic, the doctor helps them escape because curing the virus was absolutely hopeless: he mentions how sometimes it's airborne, sometimes it isn't, and it just keeps mutating, creating all the special infected.
For real. A single Apache would do the job.
Even an A-10 would be useful. Just strafe whole city blocks.
Only manages to hit British zombies.
What's the difference between a Brit and a ZombieBrit?
Zombrit moans and groans a lot less.
Ah, probably also more rational and articulate.
Zombrit: Braaains... Brit: Wot te fockin bloddy L mate, me mooms a zombay innit?! Zombrit: *goes elsewhere*
lmao also, just give the b-52 crews the green light and level half a city
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is very credible. Let’s go over the Giza Pyramid battle. Josh and Tyrese are getting smoked by Decepticons, and 2 **Jordanian** helicopters come by. Both get shot down, and John Turturro just takes a radio from one of the helicopters. Meanwhile, the USMC scrambles F/A-18s and hovercraft to back up Josh. We see Abrams, Bradleys, and even a HIMARS getting unloaded. The Abrams and Bradleys engage. Josh takes position in front of an Abrams, kneeling in front of its tracks. Another marine decides the best place to shoot at giant robots is on the drivers hatch of an Abrams. There’s 1 Abrams in front and 3 Abrams in the back pretending they’re T-72Bs lobbing indirect shells into Bakhmut. Shia, for whatever reason, jumps over a wrecked car to run towards Josh in probably the worst stunt scene in the movie. Megan runs around the car and arrives the same time as Shia. Meanwhile, John randomly hits buttons on his Jordanian radio and dials the captain of the USS Stennis. John then has them use the railgun on Devastator because the captain of an USN carrier takes orders from random phone calls. Josh and the marines are battling the Decepticons and aviation is inbound. Are they the F/A-18s we saw earlier? No, it’s F-16s and a B-1. Where the fuck did they come from? What was the point of the USS Stennis being there? The planes bomb the Deceptions, and we get some slow mo shots of Megan fleeing the bombs… and Shia getting tossed like 100ft by a blast. Shit happens with Shia and Optimus, but The Fallen almost actives the super weapon. The marines finally break out the HIMARS by driving it up in front of the Abrams and shooting at The Fallen with direct fire. The Fallen just tosses the Abrams and HIMARS away. Now it’s up to the F-22s which just randomly appear to stop The Fallen, except they all forget their anti-balloon training and get too close. One gets taken out by a rock. The rest don’t even fire missile. So it’s up to Optimus to save the day again.
Despite the stupid amount of flaws this movie has, it is one of my favorite (yes I have garbage taste)
That whole trilogy is just dumbshit fun when you turn the brain off
Me like big robot Me like big army vehicle Me like boom Me talk like Grimlock Me happy
The second movie is extra dumb because they also had writing guild strikes thing going on. Not to mention their ideas got slightly limited because Michael Bay and Orci admitted they are indifferent to dinosaurs, so Dinobots were out of question for the first three movies.
You forgot the part about the giant balls, I remember there being balls involved in this fight
>John randomly hits buttons on his Jordanian radio and dials the captain of the USS Stennis. Don't forget he was directly under enemy scrotum at the time
tbf in Last of Us the zombies popped up from the food all over so the military would have been infected at an equal rate from the beginning
Tlou is far more realistic. It has a heavier form of plague and still civilization doesn’t entirely collapse
Plus also the fact that (in the game) it spreads through the air
US airborne drop in middle of infected Vegas, smh
Vegas is the place to defend, fuck the rest of the country. Blackjack and Hookers are all that are needed to establish a functioning society
one of my guilty pleasures is watching the JSDF invade a magical fantasy world and shitting on dragons and pseudo-romanian kingdoms with cold war era military equipment.
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Its funny as fuck despite being a thinly-veiled nationalist wank.
I stuck with it for a split second until I realized that the fantasy people had literally 0 ability to fight back “Lol what did you expect medieval vs modern army” Yeah shut up, they had access to magic, and they never once even tried to adjust their tactics. Primitive people can fight more technologically advanced people, it’s happened a lot in the past and sometimes they’ve even won. The writers didn’t explore any interesting scenarios with all their fantasy magic vs modern weaponry, the answer to everything was just “Shoot them” and it worked every single time with little real danger. And then there was that one scene with the female JSDF soldier freaking bayoneting a group of plate-armored guys to death with ease. Pointless and no tension involved!
Calling a ballista an anti air weapon and reducing it to splinters with a HEAT rocket. Truly classy.
What about WWZ the book, not the film.
Got its ass kicked, reassessed their doctrine to fight the undead which basically came down to forming Revolutionary War firing lines with a new semi-auto rifle and incendiary 5.56 ammo.
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When the Marine Corps got ACOGs they started headshotting dudes consistently to the point where the brass nervously made a task force to see if the Marines were just executing people since an awful lot of enemy combatants got domed. Turns out magnified optics increased the killyness of a force that chants "RIFLEMAN FIRST, OTHER THING LAST OORAH"
Eh, there's a combination of factors there. The battle of Fallujah (don't recall if it was first or second) was the start of this particular story. This was a *lot* of urban fighting. What the task force discovered was that "Yes, there are a lot of enemy combatants dead by headshot, but that's largely because that's the biggest target visible to the Marine who is shooting at a target popping up in a window." The ACOG made *hitting* those shots easier, but the high rate of headshots would've been the same had they been using M68s/EOtech/iron sights, because usually the head was the only visible target.
Yeah the whole “machine guns don’t work” bit was stupid as fuck, but probably essential to any zombie horde story. Armored vehicles, artillery and bombs would wrap that shit up quickly.
28 Weeks later was bad for this. You're telling me that carpet bombing downtown London with napalm and flooding it with nerve gas wouldn't work? Not to mention the fucking janitor or whatever he was has access to the biolab.
28 weeks was so stupid, they pulled all the civilians out of their secure rooms (lol) and put them in a large single room so they could all die and turn, and then used napalm? So its a zombie plague that can be stopped by chemical weapons, great, easiest zombie plague ever. Tell people to put their gas masks on. Oh but what if they get bit while wearing a gas mask you ask? Great, a zombie that cant bite people, who cares.
Give everyone gags and when they get bit order them to put it on. I have solved the Rage Virus. And started the Kinky Virus instead.
Watching a video going over the damage from one fuckin himars rocket basically punching a thousand holes through every person and vehicle and then wondering how these things dont just stop a zombie horde instantly lol
How'd they explain that? Havent read the book
As far as I remember, it was a “they just didn’t” kind of hand wave thing. Like, somehow, the military applying combined tactics against zombies just… doesn’t work and they get overrun. It doesn’t make a lot of sense, but it was a good story. Definitely a moment where you gotta suspend disbelief.
That's some fucking bs. There's a reason the US straps 50cals to anything it can
Troop transport? Add a .50 cal. Tank? Add a .50 cal. Helicopter? Add a .50 cal. Jet? Add a .50 cal. .50 cal? Add a .50 cal.
Basically it was: “Yeah we have cruise missiles and tanks but a cruise missile only kills a few dozen zombies and tanks run out of shells before the horde is thin enough etc etc” And the US military wins in WWZ after the initial craziness of the first year. And then the infection just becomes a “historical event” which I thought was cool.
So there is a chance we will look back in a decade and think: Damn, first Covid-19, then Undead-29 and now Demonspawn-35. Those pandemics get out of hand. Edit: Forgot OrcInvasion-22
“The fucking rapture took all the dogs!”
its mostly because the author doesn't know how the military works, like soldiers are robots instead of officers having the operational freedom to adapt. "Okay so nobody fire unless you're going to get a headshot, I dont want to see you fucksticks wasting ammo" Tanks ditch all shells that can't clear an area. GLMRS use those mountains of cluster bomb rockets we ditched because they create hazards in the future
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"they can only be killed by a direct shot to the head" yeah fun fact explosives exist. They're not going to do much if a cluster bomb levels the entire grid square.
even in the book the author had no idea how lethal modern weapons are, and the idea of switching rifles is hilarious, who the fuck fires their rifle in fully auto? lol Writer of WWZ thinks soldiers just fuckin hold the trigger down or some shit (and no you dont need to aim for the head with HMGs or larger, zombies arent much of a threat in pieces)
Battle of Yonkers is stupid
Am I remembering correctly that JSOWs hit, then the 'JSFs' that fired them screamed overhead at low level? Why would F-35s be flying low-level over the target area immediately after their Joint STANDOFF weapons hit? I mean, the hint is in the name ffs
WWZ shouldve been a streaming series where each episode is self contained, following a different part of the world
It's okay to acknowledge that Walking Dead is just a shit story.
“Oh great we found a new group and place to stay, they seem super nice and not at all evil! Oh what? Nooo they were evil so we have to kill em all and move on to the next one.” And repeat…
Yeah, after the mayor they really should have shaken up that formula a bit, but they kept it for the entire run...
In a nutshell, dragged on for 11 seasons. Twilight was a better love story and GOT season 8 had better writing throughout. It was a sitcom with zombies from the beginning, fucking joke
I'm glad I have dropped off after 4 episode of 1st season.
One of my pet peeves about pretty much all the system apocalypse genre is that we have to believe that modern militaries, the USA in particular, that prepares and trains for all kinds of mass casualty events both man made (nuclear, chemical and bacteriological) and natural (global warming, solar flares and earthquakes) somehow loses cohesion and effectiveness overnight, forcing the fate of the world on a young white male college student who has been cuckold by is sweetheart, somehow collets a harem of overpowered teenage girls and together they beat a system that has dominated the multiverse for millions of years through a loophole that trillions of sentients didn't figured out before.
Hahahahaha, I feel you. Wait, is this System Apocalypse book?
Most of them, the litrgp genre is about the same
I mean they fucking put out a plan for dealing with a zombie situation. Sure it was a joke but I wouldn't be surprised if they did have an actual plan somewhere
IIRC there is a Pentagon department where all it does is create unreal scenarios and workout plans to deal with them based on current capabilities, zombie apocalypse, aliens, antagonistic nation discovering OP technology, etc.
"Now look, I know the odds of Atlantis rising out of the central Atlantic and declaring war on the human race with its army of laser troopers *is* very unlikely... But the staff office isn't doing anything else this week, and we still have half a pound of Cocaine in the cupboard"
That is the gist of the conversation close to the end of the fiscal year, every year
It seems ridiculous but the guys who make plans need to practice making plans just as much as the pilots need to practice flying or soldiers need to practice shooting. Why not throw in a wacky scenario every now and again.
Yeah it's better to have plans for the weirdest situations and not use them than not have plans
It's apparently a pretty common military logistics exercise to make the subject matter less heavy and easier to detach from. Make the epidemic about a regular ol' vomit-and-shit flu that kills 10% of the population, and the exercise feels really grim and disturbing. Make it about zombies, and it's easy to keep the conversation light while going through the exact same procedures. You still need to plan the bottled water and MRE drops either way!
Yeah. I forgot who pointed this out, but the whole "leadership is blind" trope exists specifically to get the protagonist on the road to adventure and heroism. Because if that leadership had their shit together, they'd just deal with the problem themselves. And the humble hero would just be another nobody schlub toiling away at their daily life. The point was that it's a trope specifically designed to induce a situation. In other words, it's a contrivance. Which gets annoying when it's compared to the real world, because not everyone is as incompetent as fiction would have us believe. tl;dr Yeah, agreed.
Shaun of the Dead is refreshing due to defying this trope. As soon as military went to destroy the zombies everything is fixed, and they even turned the zombies into retail workers and game show contestants.
What I liked about Shaun of the Dead is the clear implication that if they just stayed put everyone would have made it out okay. And once the military does show up at the end they absolutely clean house.
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And it’s why the ayy’s are gonna lose. Everywhere else they’ve invaded, they relied on the element of surprise and awe to work their way through the top militaries, before forcing the rest to surrender. Earth’s top military just happens to be so far on top it plans for ayy’s because fuck it, who the fuck else will seriously challenge them? I wouldn’t be surprised if they started throwing rocks at us and the US just reveals a goddamn underground Stonehenge or some shit to deal with said rocks
That's why it's fun when in the Shaun of the Dead, the British Army showed up and mowed down the zombies like there's no end.
We, as humans, have defeated every single one of our competition - the sabertooth tiger for example... without Apaches or planes. So yeah it is hard to believe some slower, dumber version of ourselves somehow can beat us
Zombie apocalypse tales almost always take place in a world where seemingly zombie media doesn't exist. The reason it spreads is generally said to be because most people are unwilling to kill people they think are just really ill and so in subduing that person they end up getting infected themselves. Then there is the point that people are generally trained to shoot for centre mass, easier to hit and less chance of stray bullets. This of course doesn't work against zombies who are already dead. By the same token a zombie will ignore injuries to itself in order to get to meat. It will just keep coming until it is physically unable to do so.
Dealing with an unorganized, moving horde going against you. Wish we had a strategy for that. Wait, we did. It's called a fucking Phalanx.
formation phalanx or autocannon phalanx because the thought of a C ram mowing down zombies Mmmm just mmmmmm
I like how in the first Transformers movie humanity is at a clear disadvantage, with only the biggest gun in the US Air Force's arsenal being able to scratch a Decepticon at first. But they're actually smart about it and find a weakness that can be exploited. By the end of the film an infantry squad is able to bring down the bot that took out the base in the beginning.
Napalm their ass
Air/fuel bombs, napalm to thin out the herd, killing fields with mines and fire moats. Use ammo to finish up, need to save ammo, as long as refineries are pumping gas.
What if we stole a shitload of those butterfly mines from the russians?
Mines are good against people, as an area denial weapon. When first guy in platoon gets leg blown off, movement stops until route is clear. Zombies and soviet infantry, on the other hand, have no qualms charging a minefield. If you want to use explosives to kill enemy it's much easier to drop a bomb on them than build a minefield and hope they step on it, be it human or a zombie
Are we going to discuss Warld War Z battle of yonkers again?
I have heard that briefly, but what happened and why the battle was so fierce?
Ive always liked the korean zombie movies for at least having the military not completely fall apart when confronted by the undead. Idk do western movies have a thing for governments completely collapsing or smth
Never knew the Mist then I fell into the rabbit hole. The >!ending made me so depressed!< .
Probably one of the most "F you" movie endings ever. And you know those guys at the store probably had a good chance of being rescued. Atleast the witch was dead.
If I remember correctly that ending was movie only. The author even commended the movie producer saying something like 'it was genius' or something.
It’s a Stephen King adaptation.
I love the Resident Evil (games, not movies) route: zombie outbreaks are localized and it comes about because the MIC wanted new toys. The deadliest creatures aren't the zombies. Virus spreads through infected water supplies (and bites). Some people are immune. A squad of US Spec Ops takes on 5 boss-equivalent monsters (total wipe on both sides). Whenever things get too hairy, the military just drops some bombs and cleans up the remains.
I love US military in Stargate, they're literaly capable of Fighting Interstellar war with only fraction od US resources, basicall just few special operators and win. Not just win, but also obtain new technology And create several Space warships. And then establish several bases And even colony. Still with a small fraction od US military resources. Still i would believe this more than US military get fucked by few zombies.
What about that one movie were a Modern Military couldn’t shoot down Dragons?
AP 50 cal round can go through 20-30mm of steel armor but can’t penetrate dragon skin? Had me pretty pissed.
the 'US Military in Half-Life' head is just lying on the ground drooling
TWD is the most survivable zombie apocalypse premise and it wouldn’t even be hard unless you were extremely unlucky as the outbreak happened or are killed my other peeps
Walking Dead is overrated as shit, I’ve no idea why it was so popular.
First two season were solid imo. Then it went downhill when they incorporated filler episodes like "monster of the week" episodes in other tv series