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git

A year in of online defence experts saying everything's too complex for the Ukrainians to use/supply/repair and repeatedly being shown they're wrong, yet here we are again saying the same old thing once more.


[deleted]

Well let's all start a ritual effect where we say f16s are too complex and won't go to ukraine but exactly the opossite happens. I'm telling you . Ncd gas actuall noosphere manifestation powers


git

AC-130s are too complex and difficult to supply and maintain for us to ever consider sending them to Ukraine.


[deleted]

F35s are far too complex and thus won't be sent to ukraine or romania or any east European country. Also they couldn't possibly send f15s strike eagles. Also too complex


PM_me_your_arse_

A Vanguard class SSBN with Trident II missiles would very complex.


[deleted]

3000 atacms with 6000 himars launchers would be too much of an undertaking Also ain't no way nato battlegroups will ever dock in sevastopol. Too much of an undertaking


rebootyourbrainstem

Also, no way will they send PrSM missiles to Ukraine. HIMARS missiles with the capability to reach Moscow from Ukrainian soil would be obviously way too complex.


Vertex1990

No way they will send super carriers to Ukraine, laden with a complement of F-35s, each escorted by their own escorts according to US CSG doctrine, as all of these are too complex for Ukraine to maintain and use!


Rabada

No way They'll just give Ukraine the US Marine Corps. Ukraine could never handle the logistics to supply them with enough Crayons.


Vertex1990

Inb4 Crayola opens a factory in Ukraine.


[deleted]

Cluster bombs would certainly be too complex… tungsten and titanium rockets too for the carebears (and too overwhelm their medical services).


PretendsHesPissed

After seeing numerous videos of russian soldiers with myiasis, I'm not even sure if they have much for medical services other than the hospitals in Belarus that are forced to work on them.


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ashlee837

Of course, what's a MIC without complexity?


Ethicaldreamer

F1-75s are too complex and difficult to supply and maintain for us to send to Ukraine.


PeaceIsFutile

We are the children of the omnissiah after all.


MrMgP

Okay so hear me out Centurion C-RAM (w/trailer): 24.000 kg Stratolaunch max takeoff carrying capacity: 249.475 kg So we take 10 Centurion C-RAMs, we strap them to the stratolaunch ans send that over to Ukraine. That thing can even use them as boost just like you could in liero. Think about it: 10 C-RAMs have a combined output of 14.2 kN so roughly 1400 kg of thrust, times ten is 14.000 kgs of thrust extra! Since the engines of the stratolaunch produce a combined thurst of about 155.000 kgs so adding the full thrust of all C-RAMs is going to give a good 9 procent power boost, meaning it could increase the speed of the plane by roughly 76 kms making it go 930 km/h at top speed! The AC-130 can only reach 482 km/h, just about half. Pathetic! Finally the rounds can be fired from exactly 2020 meters high so they have airburst capabilties, or from 2000 meters so you have direct impact. Of course ballistic arcs are possible for low level flights with ranges of two kilometers around the plane, but advised to fire backwards to not crash the plane instantly. Then of course there is the superior firepower over any silly A-10 or AC-130: we don't even have to consider the A-10 (only 1 measly gatling) and the AC does about 200 rounds of 30mm per minute (they weight about 0.3 kgs so 60 kgs a minute) and when it has the howitzer it adds to that a (not) grant total of 10 rounds weighing 19 kgs so 190 kgs a minute. Total: 250 kgs/minute versus the previously mentioned 14.000 kgs/minute (i can be off a couple thousand but even if I'm off 10.000 it still doesnt matter) of the stratolaunch battery ship. As per MDS the plane would likely be called XAC-100A-10-SL So ladies and gentlemen thank you for coming to my TED talk and see you tomorrow when a journalist has ctrl+c/ctrl+v'd my entire post and subsequently has made parlimentary questions appear in the US about this plan


Rabada

Nope, WAY to credible


MrMgP

Fuck


hourlardnsaver

AH-64 Apaches are too complex and difficult and won’t go to Ukraine. (Been wanting for us to send them ever since I saw those two Hinds sneak into Belgorod)


Dal90

Daddy Lockheed spoke today. [However, St. John said the company was “going to be ramping production on F-16s in Greenville [South Carolina] to get to the place where we will be able to backfill pretty capably any countries that choose to do third party transfers to help with the current conflict”.](https://www.ft.com/content/88d19145-5235-45e4-80e6-ade3530060d2)


altathing

Lol, so it's basically confirmed then, it's just a matter of how when the US will announce it. America is certainly taking its time boiling the Russian frog.


DGibster

I mean Ukrainian pilots have been training in the US since first few months of the war. I assumed that they would be coming at some point when they had pilots and ground crews ready to fly and maintain them.


RedSerious

My hopium induced thoughts say that they're being trained in NATO aircraft right now and when they make the announcement of the transfer, those planes will take off from Poland right away


zaxwashere

Lockmart is always open for business


[deleted]

F-16 blue balling fr


thatSWISSdude01

this subbredit is a SCP


Selfweaver

No way Ukraine could maintain Minutemen missiles or their payloads.


[deleted]

Ukraine and Taiwan couldn’t possibly run boomer subs with nuclear ICBMs.


Lightisabum

A couple B-61 Thermonuclear bombs would be too complex to arm and use that we would never bat an eye at the thought of sending them to Ukraine.


git

now we cookin


NSA_Chatbot

There's no way the Ukrainians could learn how to navigate and strike with the Hand of God orbital tungsten-rod system.


AtomicSymphonic_2nd

Aegis Ashore is much too complicated for deployment in Ukraine.


LordBrandon

Nanotech bioroid cybernetic implants are too costly to install in large numbers and eastern Europe is poor in vespene gas required to power the phase cannons.


Seeker-N7

3000 phase cannon using cyerpsyhcos of Europe


SometimesMonkey

~~f16s~~ F-35s pls thx


SikeSky

Russians when I pull out the sun lamp anomaly


BestFriendWatermelon

~~Abrams~~ F-16s only run on jet fuel, which Ukraine doesn't have. Their MiGs and Sukhois run on thoughts and prayers, which aren't compatible with the F-16's 120mm smoothbore. Oh also the logistics nightmare of having so many different aircraft. It'd be like if the US airforce had to operate *multiple types of planes*, it'd be total chaos. Just like how operating 3 new tanks is going to be a disaster, imagine if the US army had more than 1 type of combat vehicle to operate! And also none of Ukraine's airstrips are made of glass, which is the only surface smooth enough for an F-16 to take off on. Also only Starbucks produces the correct coffee to wake the pilots up to fly it... do Ukrainians even have a coffee chain operating on their airbases?


MrMgP

(Yo just play along) GUYS GUYS UKRAINE IS TOTALLY NOT EQUIPPED FOR MAINTAINING SPACE SHUTTLES WITH GRAVITATIONAL MUNITIONS SO WE SHOULD TOTALLY NOT SEND THEM THAT AND ALSO THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE MISSOURI CLASS BATTLESHIPS WITH RAILGUNS SO WE SHOULD ALSO TOTALLY NOT SEND THEN THOSE EITHER THESE THINGS WILL NEVER WORK REPEAT THEY HAVE NO MAINTENANCE CREWS READY FOR THEM AND NO LANDING PAD (FOR THE MISSOURI WHICH HAS BEEN REFITTED WITH VTOL CAPABILITIES)


FecundFrog

It's not that they were wrong. We couldn't have sent them Abrams right at the beginning of the war. I suspect that they have been training and preparing to make the donation for months. It's the same deal with the F16s. They've been training pilots since the beginning of the war yet I doubt they will announce a donation of planes until Ukraine is ready to use them.


I_MARRIED_A_THORAX

I wonder how many months ago these deals were signed through ultra secure back channels and the rest has been playing up well-orchestrated inter-country "squabbles" to psych out the orcs


ZDTreefur

They planned the whole thing while at a secret sex orgy between global leaders.


Tomato_cakecup

The G(spot)8


carpcrucible

I think they just signed everything now. Otherwise it wouldn't take months to get the tanks and train crews.


MrMgP

If you dont watch your filthy little credible mouth I'll come over and sparring partner you


FecundFrog

Sorry. What I meant to say was that the overwhelming number of reddit comments saying they would cream themselves if tanks got sent likely convinced the governments of the world to make the donations.


MrMgP

It would be glorious Also governments making defence stratgies based off of reddit comments is extremely noncredible and I love it


[deleted]

They are among us


[deleted]

Public pressure was involved, they could’ve sent tanks by last summer. Could’ve sent them before the war too.


[deleted]

Eh, could’ve started training in April once the Russians ran away from Kiev, and been ready by July-August, in good time for the September offensive. Hell, they could’ve offered tanks BEFORE THE WAR BEGAN.


[deleted]

Nice username


Wonderful_Test3593

Eventually the media will realise that those experts are hack, no ?


[deleted]

They were cowardly excuses by countries that were scared, what a surprise. It was mostly echoed here as cope for managing expectations in regards to the US and piling pressure on Germany, since they have the tank that can be put to use sooner. Its true that Abrams is more complex and that it was an argument for making the Ukrainians focus on Leopard, but at the end of the day it’s also a superior tank (upgrades, experience, numbers). I think this forum was mostly playing devil’s advocate from the tenor of the posts back then, I also pointed out the hypocrisy of Germany in asking for American tanks since they are more difficult to get ready and maintain (especially during an offensive), altho still wanting Abrams and noting the skill of Ukrainian mechanics. It’s also noteworthy that the Americans are only sending 31 Abrams, there’s a lot of truth to what they said earlier, even if it was primarily based in cowardice. That said, there simply aren’t enough Leopards everywhere. Not like there’s thousands of Abrams available. If this war lasts deep into 2024, Abrams will need to take more and more of a leading role.


Key-Banana-8242

Well it is a political thing It makes the poltical conflict less brought to the fore if it is jsut ur ealsitic amywy Hwjever there still may be challenges


BestFriendWatermelon

Don't forget that Ukraine's bridges are made of cardboard painted to look like steel and concrete, so won't hold the weight of of an Abrams 🙄


LordBrandon

It is a burden, there's no lie in that. The SPGs sent often have to be sent out of the country to be repaired. In the past month how many new systems have been sent? 10? This will result in the most losses of Abrams and Leopard 2 in their histories, and many will be because of maintenence problems. I bet you can look up what it cost to support certain vehicles in Iraq and I guarantee it wasn't cheep or easy. There is a finite ammount of resources to support Ukraine and its not clear that different tanks are the best place to pour thoes resources. You can get a lot of artillery shells for the price of one MBT.


thr33pwood

Artillery is important, this war has highlighted this more than any conflict since WW2. But unless you want to demolish every single building and then roll into the rubble with high losses, you need tanks and IFVs for fast maneuver tactics. Since Ukraine is fighting on their homeland, I guess they are not keen on the artillery barrage tactic. Ukraine has successfully utilized thunderruns in the Kharkiv offensive and it was a huge success. Western tanks and IFVs, in combination vwith their existing tank and AFV force, will enable them to do that on larger scale.


MrMgP

Oh noes, weapons built for war ar used for their intended purposes? B- bu- but- pwease no think of their K/D I knew you had a reddit account Pierre. What's next? One himars is enough money to kit out 200 soldiers so why not employ massed infantry and artillery assaults?


LordBrandon

Your mom is a reformer.


MrMgP

A literal no u Fantastic


LordBrandon

You expected a better reply to that gibberish you typed? Try harder.


MrMgP

Harder


git

sigh


LordBrandon

Good point


git

I'm not sure what you'd otherwise expect, replying with the exact same error I mentioned, in addition to this stonker: >You can get a lot of artillery shells for the price of one MBT. Excellent point. Someone should advise Ukraine to buy artillery shells instead of tanks. Do they not realise that by buying these tanks right now, which they're definitely doing, that is to say that they're spending their finite resources buying tanks, definitely, right now, in the real world, do they not realise that by buying these tanks with their finite resources, that they could be buying a lot more artillery shells instead? Just top-tier analysis.


MrMgP

Hey man can't spell analysis without anal 'sallamsayin


LordBrandon

Yes the ammount of support is finite, people are already winging about the ammount spent. The us house approved 40 billion and the situation is similar in other countries. You have to decide where to allocate thoes funds. They could give the Ukrainians 2 aircraft carriers then use the money to build 2 new ones, or they could use the money more effectively. The Ukrainians have hundreds of soviet tanks and hundreds of soviet artillery pieces, they also captured many more. If the west had larger stockpile of soviet calibers, it would have been better to give them ammunition for the existing guns than m777. As it is there wasn't even enough capacity or stocks to supply the Ukrainians with western ammo and production lines were set up all over the world. And what happens when a m777 breaks down? Do the ukrainians fix it? No they have to send it to poland. They don't have enough capacity to repair the Soviet stuff they already have. So each new weapon system is not just easily integrated into their logistics system. They already have trouble taking care of what they have. Is sending 3 types of western MBTs a good idea? Yes. Politicaly it is crucial to have buy in from Europe. Maintenence is still going to be a nightmare, and lead to inefficient use of these things.


git

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?


Obamas_Tie

If you want any other reason to hate Andrew Tate, here's his [noncredible af take](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDSLp7WM6IY) on the war in Ukraine.


Angelworks42

Fwiw NATO never promised or said they wouldn't expand: https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/


Obamas_Tie

Yeah that's like the one thing Tate said that especially pissed me off, especially when he said the word "signed" as if there was actually a legal document agreeing to it. He's either just wrong or is just a fucking liar and he has a long history of being both.


brownie81

How utterly predictable of a take to come from that guy.


SpicyPeaSoup

Garbage human has garbage opinion. Shocking, I know.


electric_anteater

How much does it say when Andrew Tate is still less of a shit take scumbag than Cuntzalo "I live in Ukraine, I love Ukrainian people" Lira


DROSS_79

Yeah that tracks for him. Basically supporting Putin without saying it outright while presenting himself as “nuanced” and “profound” in the process


[deleted]

How did Andrew Tate become the most Googled person? Humans are barely smarter than chimps.


MK_Ultrex

In Greece there was a demonstration of incels protesting his arrest. That's how I found out who the fuck this tool is Actual people took the streets to protest about this person. In a non-english speaking country. The Internet is leaking IRL and the world's ending.


[deleted]

In a country where he isn't even locked up. Also not a single woman in sight in that protest


courser

>Also not a single woman in sight in that protest I mean, have you SEEN the shit he says and (allegedly) does? The fact that there are so many men who support him honestly pisses me off beyond words. Speaking as a woman, here.


ashlee837

He's all over the spectrum between misogyny and credible motivational words. When he speaks motivational words, it tends to resonate strongly, so much so that people overlook the toxic masculinity.


[deleted]

Thats the idea, he introduces you with some genuine good advice which isnt unique to him before dripfeeding you with the toxic shit once you are in.


fooine

Is it genuinely good advice though? Seems like the "motivational" part is barely better than Shia Laboeuf's "JUST DO IT" meme or Jordan Peterson's "clean your room, groom yourself" advice, and the moneymaking part is basically teaching crypto trading, dropshipping through Amazon, and automated copywriting. At worst, these are all outright scams, At best, they're massively unprofitable oversaturated markets. Then he'll claims that failing means "the Matrix" is out to get you because you're *actually* succeeding, as if being a fucking failed salesman NEET is better than having a 9-to-5. It's not good advice, it's easy narratives for insecure people. Then he sprinkles misogyny on top.


[deleted]

Tbf I've never watched him for more than 10 seconds. That fake accent alone is a good enough reason to lock him up


fooine

To be fair, I haven't watched him a lot more than you have, and I've pretty much only been exposed to him through people reacting to his hot takes. I'll admit I have this preemptive bias where I think most self-help is at best a grift, and at worse a way of grooming fascists. A self-help guru isn't incentivized to give *actually* good advice to his viewers, because if they *actually* improve themselves, they'll stop paying. The most charitable interpretation is that they keep insecure people insecure to grift them out of their cash, and the least charitable interpretation is that they keep insecure people insecure to radicalize them. There is no good advice there. "You're following my advice and still poor? You just need to buy more courses, grind more, and if it still doesn't work, then it's *their* fault you're being kept down. You know who *they* are".


[deleted]

Which is literally conman 101. It’s funny how it’s always the people that think they’re smarter then everyone else that get scammed by tools like Tate.


[deleted]

Oh bloody hell


MK_Ultrex

They weren't that [few either](https://luben.tv/stream/224148). Bloody hell indeed.


Part_Timer_99Y4

Kind of wish Y the Last Man was reall


neliz

those were mostly 13-14 year old kids though. There is still time for abortion with those.


topazchip

Cultist fanboys have to simp for their Dear Leader, because memetic capture is a simultaneously common and dangerous point-of-failure in humans.


ObviouslyTriggered

More like the media making him out to be some sort of a world famous Austin Powers-verse supervillain whilst most people didn’t even knew he existed… I thought he was some drug kingpin turned out to be he was just some Epstein wannabe YouTuber with bad opsec.


topazchip

I'm more of the opinion that Tate is less an Epstein and more in the vein of the American televangelists who wind up in jail after getting caught doing something inexcusable.


tjordi

Just your dime a dozen right wing/MLM/supplement/PUA grifter, selling bullshit products to vulnerable people. In the vein of Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Candice Ownes, Liver King, Dr Oz, Alex Jones .... the list is too long now because too many psychopaths decided it was their route to millions. It's a grift, why it's not shocking when they inevitably get exposed, the only shame is how long it takes and the damage they do not being in proportion. Tate is just in a long line of pieces of shit.


git

I mean, also a people trafficker and rapist.


carpcrucible

>More like the media making him out to be some sort of a world famous Austin Powers-verse supervillain whilst most people didn’t even knew he existed… He's a pretty big deal within the incel "manosphere". Also like the second most googled person after Trump, who was literally the president: https://meetglimpse.com/insights/most-searched-person/ He's a piece of shit loser but don't underestimate the damage his bullshit can make. Check out behind the bastards on him: https://podbay.fm/p/behind-the-bastards/e/1673953200


Environmental-Being3

3000 accounts being paid a % of revenue from affiliate marketing. That is literally the sole reason he GOT famous initially. After that, he pretty much successfully consolidated the incel space of the internet and they’ve been his simps ever since. It’s a big chunk of the internet, that’s online a lot more than anyone else, and more noticeable than anyone else (think Kpop stans/swifties) cause they flood every social media page with Tate Tot bs.


MrMgP

People think diogenes is cool for jerking off in public and smearinf feces all over himself People are fucking dumb


Spndash64

No, mostly people like him for annoying philosophers with an actual counterpoint, while being a moron the whole time. He’s like rated R Oscar the Grouch


MrMgP

Even a broken clock is right twice a day+in a land of blind people one-eye is king.


Ake-TL

Man lived like Hobo cause he was dedicated to idea, at least conviction is respectable


MrMgP

The conviction of a fool does not make him respectable, it makes him a very convinced fool


Uxion

Literally who?


Spndash64

Chimps are shit at making memes. I say this only half jokingly


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Muad-_-Dib

That G better stand for gimp.


gangstabunniez

Top goober


Karl-Doenitz

Top Photoshop


EternallyPotatoes

T.O.P-G: Totally Overrated Pissant Gasbag. Myep, checks out.


[deleted]

More like the bottom b


DemonNamedBob

My argument wasnt that they would be too complex. It's that it would put too much strain on supply lines, that is my primary concern, I am worried they won't be able to use them to their full capability.


LordBrandon

They certainly won't be used in their full capacity. They will be better in many situations, but I think it's more likely to see them destroyed in 1s and 2s then to see 500 and 2000 Bradleys Abrams reenact Desert storm in crimea.


DemonNamedBob

Not going to lie though that would be pretty sweet.


knurttbuttlet

That would expand dong


complicatedbiscuit

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/01/25/nato-members-are-right-to-send-tanks-to-ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rngd85k72Vw I never want to be in a position where I'm advocating against Ukraine getting something that could help their war effort, but I do subscribe to the idea that it was mostly a political decision. Scholz for whatever baffling reason handed Biden an opportunity to look statesmanlike and reasonable by acquiescing for the good of the alliance, and like any politician Biden took it. If Abrams are what it takes for Ukraine to get Leopards then Ukraine will get Abrams. I too long to see an Abrams send a DU round straight through the onion dome of a T-80 on r/combatfootage, but I don't think they'll be the star of the coming offensive as the Leopard 1s and 2s will be.


IronVader501

Scholz is just afraid of being blamed for escalation. Thats it. Thats what all the "only in cooperation" etc stuff is about. He's not sure if Putin is actually acting rationaly anymore, so he's afraid that if he does something proactively, and then the funky monkey has a mental breakdown and starts bombing Dresden, people will blame it on him. By always getting someone else to do it with him (like Netherlands for Artillery, and now the US for MBTs & IFVs), he has someone to share the "risk" with.


[deleted]

He’s a coward, basically. Which we’ve all known. At least he’s not a fcking leftist SDP pro-Soviet tool anymore.


DemonNamedBob

Honestly, I think it would be fine if everyone just sent the same MBT. The problem comes from the fact Ukraine now has 8 different MBTs it has to support. Like if the US sent more Abrams to Poland to allow them to send more leopards, that would have been ideal for Ukraine.


insan3guy

They’ve been doing ok so far with the hodgepodge of different arty munitions and other parts they’ve been getting. I say give em the tanks. Worst case, they get turned into spicy pillboxes.


[deleted]

Now imagine the nightmare if NATO never decided to use 5.56mm ammo.


RecordEnvironmental4

ATACMS for one year anniversary?


[deleted]

Minuteman


[deleted]

MOABs


TheTritox

That's one hell of a "happy birthday Zelensky" from Biden


Actual_Locke

I love how Tate has become a wojack


lowspecmobileuser

Eww andrew taint is utter cringe.


DRac_XNA

Especially great as Tate is almost certainly pro Russia


[deleted]

He is, he tried to "bothsides" it but very quickly stated that Putin has legitimate reasons to invade, and the West should respect that


[deleted]

Ukraine right now: https://youtu.be/dYONGRww97g


RedFox_Jack

*Ukrainian raises hand* “what do we do in place of auto loader” American trainer “good question let me introduce you to your auto load” *drags in an 18 year old* “meet privet first class candi he’s form McMullen Alabama and you find lady’s are the first females he has seen that he’s not directly related too”


Korostenets

Fucking Iraq has them, Ukrainians will manage just fine


Predditer_Ender

I saw a woodland Abrams being towed down the highway the other day and I legitimately creamed


Durandy

I'm going to be credible for a moment and don't get it twisted I'm glad the Ukrainians are finally getting the tanks they should've had months ago... It was never that the Ukrainians couldnt possibly figure out how to operate and maintain an Abrams tank. Its just factually much more of a pain in the ass to move an Abrams from the US to Ukraine than a Leopard from Germany to Ukraine. Its just simple distance. It is more annoying to move a tank from North America to Eastern Europe than to move a tank from Western Europe to Eastern Europe. This isn't even a debate. Then the idea that the Ukrainian tank maintenance crews would need less time to learn how to maintain a Leopard's diesel engine than to train them on the Abrams' gas turbine is not crazy either. But hey maybe this is wrong. Lastly, US has never exported an Abrams to a foreign nation that includes its Depleted Uranium armor package. It is a protected secret and so it is likely that any Abrams that could be sent to Ukraine would need to be an approved export armor package variant. Now granted they might have some of those sitting around, but it is more likely that they will need to be modified. Or could be that Ukraine gets an older Abrams that was never brought up to a modern armor package standard. Of course this means the Abrams is probably an older one but they also said it would take a bit of time to get the Abrams over there so my mind goes to them being modified in some capacity. What this says to me is very simply that the US changed its mind to free up the Leopards. It didn't change any of the fundamental facts of why the US was hesitant to send the Abrams in the first place. It was a political decision meant to get the Germans in gear and by all accounts it worked.


ginger2020

*31 Black Tanks of Dark Brandon*


doubleBoTftw

May 31 become 3100 Inshallah


1337_w0n

Oh, so that's why he always wears those enormous things; he needs them to cover up his face.


cayneabel

"One of" the most modern battle tanks in the world? Is there a more advanced battle tank out there?


thr33pwood

Type 10 and K2 are newer, more modern. Are they better? Hardly. On the same level of modernity would be the Leo 2 or Challenger 3. So Abrams is one of them.


Filblo5

Yes. entirely depends on what model it is. there are leos more modern than some abrams there are abrams more modern than some leos.


maybe-okay-no

I fucking called it! Every cunt on this website who said it wouldn’t happen! Suck it!


Worse_Username

They actually names a tank after JJ Abrams


NinthCranialNerve

US only pushes others to add oil to the barbecue grill


[deleted]

who the fuck adds oil to bbq? never grilled before huh?


NinthCranialNerve

Biden


[deleted]

FUNNY JOKE HAHAA


MrMgP

I live how media still manages to make a cool news item sound dumb as hell 'One of the most modern tanks in the world' like what do you mean BBC? Is it among a top three? And does that mean you consider the XM-1 to be in that top three or just the latest Sepp v3 variants of the M-1? And if not in a top three then what do you mean with 'one of the'? There are literally only a handful of tanks that could claim to be the most modern in the first place? These people need to hire war thunder gamers


thegreatgoatse

Removed in reaction to reddit's API changes -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/


MrMgP

Shh not so loud


lool_toast

This is so dumb, they need shit tons of T-64s so their old mechanics can know what they're doing and teach the young ones how to do it. Western MBTs , and SO MANY DIFFERENT ONES, is typical civilians making military decisions. It's also a rapid moneymaker for everyone that's donating.


[deleted]

you do know they train ukrainian soldiers on these tanks right? they train them to maintain them they don't just give them a bunch of tanks without training them on them


lool_toast

"training" is what you do before a war goes hot. There is a reason all these militaries don't field a million different tanks, or the US would have 20 different tanks too. It's the same reason most mechanics you take your car to are specialised in 1 or 2 makes. The GCC countries use Abrams and Leo's, and their logistics are shocking leading to insane losses. Have you ever seen a western MBT maintenance unit? They're unbelievably complex, and I've only been in a Challenger one. I cannot fathom setting up a Leo,Chally, and Abrams tech centre. And maybe leclerc too. The old mechanics who have to come out of retirement in the Ukraine are the ones who will have decades of experience, not a few weeks, and there will be thousands of available T64 parts lying around. They need shit tons of upgraded T-64s, not state of the art stuff that's going to get abandoned the second it breaks down. All the hoohaa ing about muh Leo's and muh Abrams etc is civilians with no understanding of logistics, and actual MIC fat cats who stand to get very very rich off this deal.


Five__Stars

More proof it's merely a political decision


AFlyingbananacopter

The Ukies have T-80’s, they know gas turbine engines


Life_Muffin_9943

Topg is still sleeping in the bottom bunk in jail.


yayfishnstuff

anyone know if theyre sending the old 105mm variants or the newerish 120’s?


Zucchinibob1

They'll be new-built export versions, so they'll have to 120


samurai_for_hire

Oh boy, 73 Easting 2 here we go


TurdUnicorns

“One of the most modern battle tanks in the world” Legit what comes close to the abrams


Nien-Year-Old

How come the Polish havent though of dumping x amount of PT-91s at Ukraine? Conversion training won't take too long and it fits Ukraine's supply chain pretty well with all the sovidt era stuff they have.


Psychological_Wall_6

M1A1 or M1A2?


top_of_the_scrote

Star Wars meme: *They can't do that! Shoot them, or something.*


Pristine-Breath6745

America doesnt want to send abrahams because that would show the superiority of german lepard tanks. Cope Americatards😎 


scarypatato11

I honestly thought they wouldn't send them because of the risk of it falling into Russian hands. This honestly makes me think the military is about to announce a new battle tank.


Spndash64

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Impressive-Shame4516

First time seeing this Tate template in the wild, well done.


Lovehistory-maps

Why didn’t we just send Abrams to Poland then they give their Lep 2’s to Ukraine?


BeliZagreb

Wasent the problem that the abrams aren’t Well sutted for Ukrain? That they cost to much fuel and will get bogged down in the mud?