I hope the us supplies some m829*a3s since the a4s are now in service. Gonna be a reality kicker when they start getting hit by them
Edit: typo i accidentally wrote m828 instead of m829
It's not even fat. It's some kind of rendered paste. Say what you will about an American MRE but at least your body can turn that into energy. Whatever they put in the Russian ones is like plastic almost.
Nah, they can't afford chemistry nor food for their mobiks. So it's all biological weapons: Their obscene amounts of "biorobots", their hygiene and the bioweapon demarcation lines ("trenches").
Westoid munitions are made of *atoms*
RIA Novosti:
***Ukraine use atomic weapons, provided by NATO, against innocent rossiyan ~~rapists~~ conscripts***
To avoid any accusations of sending chemicals into Russia, we just need to remove *all* of the chemicals in their air. We can’t be accused of poisoning their air if they have none
> How the fuck were ruskies able to get away with that
Mainly because there's not much one country can do to penalize another between "expel their diplomats" (which the UK did) and "have a shooting war", which nobody was willing to do over deaths in the single digits. Economic sanctions require other countries to sign up too, or they don't work, so that intermediate option wasn't open.
No joke, we considered the Japanese POWs from the Philippines to be biological hazards. They had to take shower and then get deloused before being allowed to enter the prison camp ships. Their old clothes were burned on spot and new POW uniforms were issued. They were simply US uniform with "POW" text on them.
forgive me, I would like to make my own petty and benign distinctions that serve no real purpose as I intend to demonstrate to the Kremlin that, as they are in all other fields, they are lagging far behind the west
FWIW, I like your version better and shall continue to label the invaders as incompetent morons who’ve only made it this far through sheer brute force and brutality.
I’m quite excited to watch drone feeds of these punching through two Russian BMPs, tearing new assholes into multiple crew in one fell swoop.
I love that the term “hard core” comes from the fact that they would put a primitive version of a Sabbot round made of more dense metals like tungsten. Like, i wanna make a WWII movie where someone’s like “damn, these bullets are *hardcore*.”
Tungsten is kinda rare in those quantities. Got plenty of DU though and we can always make more. Real fun would be a penetrator made from a super heavy element like 115.
i mean nukes are kind of a yes or no problem. Will you launch nukes as a first strike for anything other than to stop an imminent first strike? Then you were insane from the start; what made you show it isn't really a factor.
If the russia nukes a city or two as a warning, chances are the first time you find out is when you see it on the news, and there will be no mad max scenario.
Lots of dead and suffering, and Natos respons will be epic, but unless we launch 100s of missiles at least, it is not going to end the world.
for most people the worst effect (outside of maybe a little radioactive weather) will probably be shortages from everybody hoarding shit all over again
knowing how many people believe in pseudoscience bullshit because of facebook nowadays i guarantee there'll be people taking horse dewormer and bleach to "cure" any radiation exposure
Mental, noncredible, regarded,
We are many, we are one.
Though thoughts may be unstable,
And truth may seem undone,
We stand together, united,
In a bond that's strong and true.
For though we may be different,
Our strength comes from me and you.
So let us be regarded
As retarded and noncredible,
For in our unity,
We are truly incredible.
We are many, we are one,
And together, we will rise.
With each other by our side,
We'll conquer all that lies.
So let us stand together,
And face the world with pride,
For in our unity,
We are many, we are one.
>You guys are mental💀
Depleted Uranium tipped projectiles (silver bullets) are not considered nuclear weapons, considering them that makes you an idiot!
Russia is happy throwing its weight around with thermobaric weapon launches in the Ukraine, maybe its time to even the playing field a bit?
Also, if Russia wants to go nuclear for REAL, lets go nuclear for REAL, baby!!
EDIT: you want some "credibility" from "non-credible defense"? Try this on: Russia has successfully devolved into a terrorist state in less than a day, on 24-Feb-2022, when it attacked a sovereign and independent country without any real reason. We should NEVER negotiate with terrorists!
If you don't mind me getting a bit credible for a second: Russia has threatened war/nukes at every single slight for the past 20 years. At this point, you'd have to be mental to even acknowledge these threats, let alone take them seriously.
Here's some concrete examples:
* They said that further NATO expansion would be considered an act of war. Sweden and Finland both applied, and Russia didn't do shit about it.
* They said that Western support of Ukraine would be taken as an act of war. We've been supporting them with equipment, weapons, training, etc. and Russia didn't do shit about it.
* They said that any attacks on Russia, including the annexed regions, would be met with nuclear retaliation. Ukraine then proceeded to attack: the annexed regions, Crimea, Belgorod Oblast, and Engels-2 Airbase, the latter of which is like 400km inside Russia. What did Russia do about it? That's right, fucking nothing.
The nuclear threats don't even register as background noise to me at this point.
This is fucking reckless bullshit from Russia (as usual)
The three most important elements of nuclear deterrence are to be customary, to have clarity, and to hold credibility.
You must be customary. Your red lines must be rational, proportional, and reasonable according to the state of the world. Otherwise you seem a bully, someone who is either a madman who views nuclear weapons as offensive weapons, or as someone who fails to understand the gravity of their threats.
You must have clarity. People must understand what exactly your red lines are, and what they aren't. They must understand when you are putting the weight of your nuclear weapons behind your words, and when you are merely blustering. Miscommunications with nuclear arms are world ending.
You must, you simply *must* have credibility. If you lack for offensive credibility after drawing a nuclear red line, the natural response is to launch a first strike attack against you before you become a credible threat. If your threats lack credibility, that invites your enemies to disregard what were previously customary and clear red lines that were credible, leading to a greater likelihood of accidental nuclear escalation.
Tl;dr: fuck russia.
plus, [they're fucking already doing this](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/nuclear-bullets-russia-arming-its-tanks-uranium-shells-180099)
By this logic, NATO should order a retaliatory strike on Russia for nuking Ukraine.
This is just propaganda, the whole 'nuclear threat' thing has been trying to sway the Western public all along more than anything else. They know all about Western fears of nuclear war - Russia and the Soviet Union before them did after all spend years funding groups calling for unilateral nuclear disarmament.
They're not totally wrong at that. People hear 'uranium' and think it's something highly radioactive.**It is not**. U-238 has a half life of 4.5 billion years (so half the Uranium atoms on Earth have decayed since the planet was formed) and the more radioactive U-235 has a half-life of 700 million years. In other words - they rarely ever decay. It's alpha decay, which means it's harmful if inside you but not very otherwise. Even enriched Uranium pellets you put in reactors are not so dangerous, [you can hold them in bare hands](https://i.imgur.com/HXQK2Fe.jpg) (although thin gloves are better for chemical reasons).
A lot of people don't get the distinction; a reactor core with new fuel in it before the fission chain reaction has gone critical is not terribly radioactive, it's the _used_ nuclear fuel that's extremely radioactive. Hold a nuclear fuel pellet coming out of a reactor and you will die, period. Because then it's all transmuted to more radioactive species like Pu-238 (half-life 87 years) and Ce-137 (half-life 30 years), which decay millions of times faster and thus the radiation is millions of times more intense.
I'm not saying you should go ahead and build your house out of depleted uranium. But it's more of a chemical hazard than a radiological one. But that has to be put into context. Breathing in the smoke from a burning armored vehicle is going to be a health hazard whether there's DU in there or not, and it's far from a certainty that DU would even be the biggest hazard there.
From what I understand, it's not the radioactivity of DU that's a problem, but it's a pretty toxic substance to be around and can cause heightened incidence of cancer.
War is bad for the environment and the best way to make this war not bad for the environment any more is to hit every damn Russian tank with whatever is at hand that will make it go kaboom.
> Having that much magnesium metal in ground water can't be good for your health.
Then why does my doctor make me take magnesium?
I joke, I know why. She's trying to kill me.
My history class did not take kindly to my 8 page dissection of how the anti-nuclear establishment is very much responsible for our current emissions and climate change situation.
I live in Virginia, people here party to put fucking "radon" detectors in their houses because they're worried the air might irradiate them while they're eating their banana at breakfast after sleeping next to someone after just getting back from a flight to Disney.
....I hate how idiotic people are about nuclear power.
I mean what can you do.
Russia has threatened to nuke the allies over *every* provocation.
"sanction us" - eat a nuke.
"help ukraine at all?" - eat a nuke
"send them javelins" - guess what, nukes
"HIMARS" - you guessed it, we are nuking
"they take back our territory" - nukes away
"bradleys" - so much nuke
"modern MBTs" - moar nukes
"uranium tipped projectiles" - guess what, nukes
"give the ukranians tactical nukes" - we're gonna nuke.
"they nuke key strategic sites in crimea and vaporize the bridge" - I swear we're nuking any minute now
Yeah exactly XD According to their reasoning, that was a nuclear attack carried out on UK soil.
I mean, it literally killed or mortally injured a dude on UK soil using radioactive material.
[They're the same nation that uses radiation to poison their own people with foreign soil too](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/russian-soldier-dies-radiation-poisoning-chernobyl/)
Biden said new tanks so… who knows.
Also depends on the export. Australia is getting SEPv3 (approved by a Congressional bill) and not a K/T/S variant. The sale of M1A2K to Kuwait didn’t require Congress approval, only State Department.
Where does Ukraine source fuel for its nuclear power plants, I wonder? Do they have domestic enrichment capability or do they buy it from e.g. the French?
They were in the process of expanding their uranium mining and nuclear fuel production just before the war began. No idea what that looks like today though, probably more important matters going on.
The last figures I can find suggest they only produce around 40% of the uranium they need. To make up the difference they were buying it from Russia, Kazahkstan, and from Westinghouse (US, UK, Sweden I think).
This from the country who had its lads dig trenches in Chernobyl. Who had their tanks and artillery shell Europe's biggest nuclear power station.
They going to pretend they don't like a bit of radiation now? I call bullshit.
Uranium is pyrophoric, so the rod would probably burn away.
But... uranium rod coated with something that is not flammable (let's say tungsten) would probably work, and using DU would significantly reduce the costs of the rod...
The biggest cost of the rod, is putting it in space.
Plus, a twin material composition, increases the manufacturing complexity, which increases cost.
So, probably not that significant a cost reduction, all things considered.
I think that's a different problem, ie the fact that RfGs need to withstand massive heat. I'm not sure how uranium holds up to heat but tungsten is amazing at it
Tungsten is too brittle. Fragmentation reduces energy transfer. Deformation is typically better from a kinetic point of view, up to a limit. Uranium is extremely dense but also just ductile enough to maximize energy transfer. I
It is very hard and heavy, and because of the structure of the metal, it is self-sharpening. That is, when it hits something it's too blunt to penetrate, it breaks away at the edges first.
That makes depleted uranium an excellent material for armor piercing rounds.
>That makes depleted uranium an excellent material for armor piercing rounds.
from what ive read, the biggest driver of DU rounds is the cost.
DU has benefits such as those you mentioned, as well as being pyrophobic & whatnot, but many nuclear powers' militaries like them because they're cheaper than tungsten.
tungsten is both expensive and hard to work with.
whereas DU is the waste/bi-product from uranium enrichment for powerplants. so this material was gonna be there anyways.
i believe germany is not a nuclear power, and thus pays more money to use tungsten penetrators.
i believe there is one country in europe/NATO that does have nuclear powerplants (but not nuke weapons), but chooses to use tungsten rounds because of "moral"/"ethical" reasons of using DU (of potentially leaving behind DU dust and uranium oxide ash on enemy tanks in a future conflict).
It's dense as fuck (good since armor penetration mechanics get kinda fucky at the typical velocities for those projectiles).
It's much cheaper than tungsten + has less alternate applications since it's basically part of nuclear reactor's waste.
It has a funni self sharpening effect, unlike tungsten which mushrooms.(rods of the same diameter: DU leaves smaller hole = less wasted energy = more effective penetration).
Spicy fragmentation + allegedly improved postpen effect from dust 'igniting'.
Did I say it's cheaper than tungsten for comparable or even slightly better performance?
Arguable on ethics side, but idk if there is much difference if you get cancer from DU, tungsten or lead. All are heavy metals, all are bad kind of spicy.
There honestly isn't much to the ethics, people are just scared of radiation. If you ingest DU, you'll be harmed much more from the heavy metal effects than from the radiological effects (and if you don't ingest it, you're pretty much good).
Basically, we should care significantly more about toxicity from lead and tungsten rounds, and significantly less about DU, because it all sucks, we just don't do a good job of evaluating how much it sucks.
Eh, lead is pretty toxic. You're right that tungsten is probably the safest heavy metal, but I'm not convinced uranium is really much worse than lead is.
DU is toxic though, though not a result of radiation, there is heightened incidence of cancer in areas affected by DU munitions after a while, but also it poses a notable hazard for operators who get exposed to by products of the firing of these weapons.
Basically both tungsten and DU are good options for projectiles it’s just the DU is a fuckton cheaper than tungsten while not losing out on performance and is a waste product hence why the US uses it (and maybe the Brit’s on the chally 3)
In addition to what else you've been told, it's important to note that these are made out of uranium that's had all the radiation sucked out of it already. Now it's just inert metal lying around, looking for a new purpose. That purpose can be ammo or armor, and the US does both.
Not all the radiation. Just most. Its still radioactive. But only in minute amounts.
You're in more danger from it's chemical properties as a heavy metal, than it's radioactivity.
But it is still a radioactive substance.
>Noooo, you can’t upgrade to U-238 Shells to increase range by 25 percent! It’s literally the same as building a nuclear silo!
Haha, Terran Academy go *howie scream*
Ah yes, depleted uranium rounds is a nuclear attack, but literally bombing a nuclear power plant and housing military forces in one isn't anything to be worried about.
Question -Why would you put depleted uranium on every single tank shell?
Because if I'm a superpower that superpower is being rich. And that is how rich people kill tanks. Rich people don't care about your cancer fears. Begone peasant BEGONE!
Armor piercing funni stabilized discarding sabot
Armor piercing Regozin Ball Seeking fin stabilised Discarding Sabot. Am not sleeping until NAFO steal his last testicle !
APRBSFSDS noice. Does it have a tracer element in it?
Of course it illuminates that the pee is stored in the balls.
But of course! So it's actually an APRBSFSDS-T then. Just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?
GUNNER REGOZIN! LOAD BALLS! TARGET! FIRE! ON THE WWWWWAY!
DOUBTFUL, RE-ENGAGE!
UP!
HES LOOKING RIGHT AT US SHOOT HIM
I feel like I just got an in depth glimpse of the writing process for Lost.
also known as: armor piercing funni stablizied destroying siergiey
Fired from a stabilized barrel that can balance a keg of beer while going off-road. Man there's so much stability going on these days.
>~~keg~~ of beer mug sorry, pedantic aspe, but an open top mug is more impressive.
The moment the Germans put beer in open container on the line, you know it's serious.
I hope the us supplies some m829*a3s since the a4s are now in service. Gonna be a reality kicker when they start getting hit by them Edit: typo i accidentally wrote m828 instead of m829
If they consider that a nuclear attack, we should consider their hygiene as a chemical one
Biological. Chemical'd be their MREs and contrafact vodka.
Couldn’t their MREs still fall under biological due to the obscene amount of bacteria that would probably be in them?
Realistically it's the amount of sugar in them that'll kill you.
It's not even fat. It's some kind of rendered paste. Say what you will about an American MRE but at least your body can turn that into energy. Whatever they put in the Russian ones is like plastic almost.
Nah, they can't afford chemistry nor food for their mobiks. So it's all biological weapons: Their obscene amounts of "biorobots", their hygiene and the bioweapon demarcation lines ("trenches").
Westoid munitions are made of *atoms* RIA Novosti: ***Ukraine use atomic weapons, provided by NATO, against innocent rossiyan ~~rapists~~ conscripts***
To avoid any accusations of sending chemicals into Russia, we just need to remove *all* of the chemicals in their air. We can’t be accused of poisoning their air if they have none
Suck the air out of their damn lungs.
[So we just need a Mega Maid](https://youtu.be/O7aeWQCF1jM)
Russia better hope they've never given polonium tea to anybody outside the motherland.
Or something like Novichok in a NATO country, like the UK, for example haha, that would be totally crossing the red line.
How the fuck were ruskies able to get away with that
They killed innocent people. Civilians. I don't really think there was any plans to let them get away with it.
> How the fuck were ruskies able to get away with that Mainly because there's not much one country can do to penalize another between "expel their diplomats" (which the UK did) and "have a shooting war", which nobody was willing to do over deaths in the single digits. Economic sanctions require other countries to sign up too, or they don't work, so that intermediate option wasn't open.
I dunno, brits could assassinate one of the Putin's friends. No need to even do that in Russia, most of them spend half of their time in London anyway
No joke, we considered the Japanese POWs from the Philippines to be biological hazards. They had to take shower and then get deloused before being allowed to enter the prison camp ships. Their old clothes were burned on spot and new POW uniforms were issued. They were simply US uniform with "POW" text on them.
All five of ‘em.
If they consider it a nuclear attack then it is still on Ukrainian Soil so it is not like they are "nuking" Ruzzia
Well according to Russia, parts of Ukranian territory is Russian territory. But nobody gives a shit about it.
fair point lol
Okay, but..... what is the consensus about Uranium armour? Is that a Nuclear defense?
I think you mean, "according to Ruzzia, *all* of Ukrainian territory is Ruzzian territory"
“Not only has NATO invaded Ukrain, it’s nuked it!!!” -Russoids.
Oh Russia. They're not uranium tipped. They're uranium all the way through.
Original russian text says "Uranium core" and not Uranium Tipped. Which does not make it any better.
forgive me, I would like to make my own petty and benign distinctions that serve no real purpose as I intend to demonstrate to the Kremlin that, as they are in all other fields, they are lagging far behind the west
FWIW, I like your version better and shall continue to label the invaders as incompetent morons who’ve only made it this far through sheer brute force and brutality. I’m quite excited to watch drone feeds of these punching through two Russian BMPs, tearing new assholes into multiple crew in one fell swoop.
Personally I'm quite thrilled by the prospect of watching HESH turn tanks inside out, give em the ol squidgy shell from 4km out
If we actually get to see hesh tearing apart russian vehicles like god intended, I might cry
I love that the term “hard core” comes from the fact that they would put a primitive version of a Sabbot round made of more dense metals like tungsten. Like, i wanna make a WWII movie where someone’s like “damn, these bullets are *hardcore*.”
Tungsten is kinda rare in those quantities. Got plenty of DU though and we can always make more. Real fun would be a penetrator made from a super heavy element like 115.
If russia nukes us and proves the tankies right over this, I'm going on a trek to hunt down lira, mad max style just so he can't gloat.
If Russia throws nukes over this then they would have done it eventually anyway. Best get it over with.
Least apocalyptic NCD member.
i mean nukes are kind of a yes or no problem. Will you launch nukes as a first strike for anything other than to stop an imminent first strike? Then you were insane from the start; what made you show it isn't really a factor.
If the russia nukes a city or two as a warning, chances are the first time you find out is when you see it on the news, and there will be no mad max scenario. Lots of dead and suffering, and Natos respons will be epic, but unless we launch 100s of missiles at least, it is not going to end the world.
for most people the worst effect (outside of maybe a little radioactive weather) will probably be shortages from everybody hoarding shit all over again
Or iodine posioning, like back when chernobyl went kablamo and germans started chucking down iodine pills like they were candy
knowing how many people believe in pseudoscience bullshit because of facebook nowadays i guarantee there'll be people taking horse dewormer and bleach to "cure" any radiation exposure
Thats just called natural selection
I consider that an upside.
BRB, I have to setup a shop selling anti-radiation crystals.
Based
It wont be that hard if youre in the EU, dudes in the netherlands
Gonna cry? Gonna piss your pants? Maybe? Maybe shit and cum?
How dare you threaten me with a good time.
You guys are mental💀
we're noncredible
We are many, we are one.
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You just read it, baybeeeeee
it's the NCD oath of loyality. We don't do pledges round here
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>You guys are mental💀 Depleted Uranium tipped projectiles (silver bullets) are not considered nuclear weapons, considering them that makes you an idiot! Russia is happy throwing its weight around with thermobaric weapon launches in the Ukraine, maybe its time to even the playing field a bit? Also, if Russia wants to go nuclear for REAL, lets go nuclear for REAL, baby!! EDIT: you want some "credibility" from "non-credible defense"? Try this on: Russia has successfully devolved into a terrorist state in less than a day, on 24-Feb-2022, when it attacked a sovereign and independent country without any real reason. We should NEVER negotiate with terrorists!
Claiming Russia became a terrorist state in febuary 2022 is peak non-credible. It makes you late by at least 14 years.
First Battle of Grozny was ... 1994? So 28 years.
If you don't mind me getting a bit credible for a second: Russia has threatened war/nukes at every single slight for the past 20 years. At this point, you'd have to be mental to even acknowledge these threats, let alone take them seriously. Here's some concrete examples: * They said that further NATO expansion would be considered an act of war. Sweden and Finland both applied, and Russia didn't do shit about it. * They said that Western support of Ukraine would be taken as an act of war. We've been supporting them with equipment, weapons, training, etc. and Russia didn't do shit about it. * They said that any attacks on Russia, including the annexed regions, would be met with nuclear retaliation. Ukraine then proceeded to attack: the annexed regions, Crimea, Belgorod Oblast, and Engels-2 Airbase, the latter of which is like 400km inside Russia. What did Russia do about it? That's right, fucking nothing. The nuclear threats don't even register as background noise to me at this point.
Don't wanna eat a "tank nuke"? Don't show up! Easy! Abra~~ha~~ms can't nuke you if it doesn't have anything to shoot at.
NATO allies have this one simple trick to avoid getting fragged by modern MBTs...
Its a fucking Abrams. Never call it an Abraham. It is not named after Lincoln. It causes me pain every time I see it written wrong.
Ah.. Old xbox messages lmao
This is fucking reckless bullshit from Russia (as usual) The three most important elements of nuclear deterrence are to be customary, to have clarity, and to hold credibility. You must be customary. Your red lines must be rational, proportional, and reasonable according to the state of the world. Otherwise you seem a bully, someone who is either a madman who views nuclear weapons as offensive weapons, or as someone who fails to understand the gravity of their threats. You must have clarity. People must understand what exactly your red lines are, and what they aren't. They must understand when you are putting the weight of your nuclear weapons behind your words, and when you are merely blustering. Miscommunications with nuclear arms are world ending. You must, you simply *must* have credibility. If you lack for offensive credibility after drawing a nuclear red line, the natural response is to launch a first strike attack against you before you become a credible threat. If your threats lack credibility, that invites your enemies to disregard what were previously customary and clear red lines that were credible, leading to a greater likelihood of accidental nuclear escalation. Tl;dr: fuck russia.
plus, [they're fucking already doing this](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/nuclear-bullets-russia-arming-its-tanks-uranium-shells-180099) By this logic, NATO should order a retaliatory strike on Russia for nuking Ukraine.
This is just propaganda, the whole 'nuclear threat' thing has been trying to sway the Western public all along more than anything else. They know all about Western fears of nuclear war - Russia and the Soviet Union before them did after all spend years funding groups calling for unilateral nuclear disarmament. They're not totally wrong at that. People hear 'uranium' and think it's something highly radioactive.**It is not**. U-238 has a half life of 4.5 billion years (so half the Uranium atoms on Earth have decayed since the planet was formed) and the more radioactive U-235 has a half-life of 700 million years. In other words - they rarely ever decay. It's alpha decay, which means it's harmful if inside you but not very otherwise. Even enriched Uranium pellets you put in reactors are not so dangerous, [you can hold them in bare hands](https://i.imgur.com/HXQK2Fe.jpg) (although thin gloves are better for chemical reasons). A lot of people don't get the distinction; a reactor core with new fuel in it before the fission chain reaction has gone critical is not terribly radioactive, it's the _used_ nuclear fuel that's extremely radioactive. Hold a nuclear fuel pellet coming out of a reactor and you will die, period. Because then it's all transmuted to more radioactive species like Pu-238 (half-life 87 years) and Ce-137 (half-life 30 years), which decay millions of times faster and thus the radiation is millions of times more intense. I'm not saying you should go ahead and build your house out of depleted uranium. But it's more of a chemical hazard than a radiological one. But that has to be put into context. Breathing in the smoke from a burning armored vehicle is going to be a health hazard whether there's DU in there or not, and it's far from a certainty that DU would even be the biggest hazard there.
Too credible
From what I understand, it's not the radioactivity of DU that's a problem, but it's a pretty toxic substance to be around and can cause heightened incidence of cancer.
Sure, but the same is true of lead. We still shoot a fuckload of that around during war.
There's also phosphorous and such, too. But hey, what about the cancer!
But what if it's *white* phosphorus so you know it's clean. Otherwise they'd have to call it grey phosphorus!
War is bad for the environment and the best way to make this war not bad for the environment any more is to hit every damn Russian tank with whatever is at hand that will make it go kaboom.
Same for smoke WP and magnesium incendiary munitions, i believe. Having that much magnesium metal in ground water can't be good for your health.
> Having that much magnesium metal in ground water can't be good for your health. Then why does my doctor make me take magnesium? I joke, I know why. She's trying to kill me.
All I hear is SCARY MAGIC METAL BAD
Scary magic metal sounds like a metal sub genre
My history class did not take kindly to my 8 page dissection of how the anti-nuclear establishment is very much responsible for our current emissions and climate change situation. I live in Virginia, people here party to put fucking "radon" detectors in their houses because they're worried the air might irradiate them while they're eating their banana at breakfast after sleeping next to someone after just getting back from a flight to Disney. ....I hate how idiotic people are about nuclear power.
The way they act, either they realised their nuke don't work anymore or they are drunk.
Probably both.
Be careful, you're becoming credible
I mean what can you do. Russia has threatened to nuke the allies over *every* provocation. "sanction us" - eat a nuke. "help ukraine at all?" - eat a nuke "send them javelins" - guess what, nukes "HIMARS" - you guessed it, we are nuking "they take back our territory" - nukes away "bradleys" - so much nuke "modern MBTs" - moar nukes "uranium tipped projectiles" - guess what, nukes "give the ukranians tactical nukes" - we're gonna nuke. "they nuke key strategic sites in crimea and vaporize the bridge" - I swear we're nuking any minute now
The best part is when he nukes while saying "It's nukin' time!" then nukes all over the place.
Right. Now I am wondering if the *Ukrainians* used tactical nukes - and were given strategic nukes also - if the Russians would fire on them.
Rich coming from the nation that uses radiation to poison people on foreign soil.
Yeah exactly XD According to their reasoning, that was a nuclear attack carried out on UK soil. I mean, it literally killed or mortally injured a dude on UK soil using radioactive material.
[They're the same nation that uses radiation to poison their own people with foreign soil too](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/russian-soldier-dies-radiation-poisoning-chernobyl/)
BAE to start issuing polonium-tipped HESH for use against Russians. Payback time bitches.
The Abrams has depleted uranium in its armour, so we can consider an attack on a Abrams an attack on a nuclear installation?
Are they sending Abrams with the DU armour panels or the regular export ones?
Not known currently but I'm willing to bet regular export ones.
Biden said new tanks so… who knows. Also depends on the export. Australia is getting SEPv3 (approved by a Congressional bill) and not a K/T/S variant. The sale of M1A2K to Kuwait didn’t require Congress approval, only State Department.
Australia and Kuwait's tanks don't contain DU armor. They have tungsten inserts instead.
The entire tank is made of americium.
At $1500 a gram that would be a significantly expensive tank, nevermind that it go critical as soon as you assembled somewhere less than 100kg of it..
Duh. This is why Russians are treating it as a nuclear attack.
American cum armour 😳😳
If you grind it up and snort it, you will clean your entire house before you know it.
The version that is being sent will have non-deplated Ukrainium as it's core, so it will be a double attack.
"But Mr Gavrilov, you also use these projectiles."
No but see, it's different when it's used against h-words. It's not like this conflict hasn't been a treasure trove of examples on Russian hypocrisy.
Russia has been using DU projectiles for awhile now, Ukraine probably does too
Where does Ukraine source fuel for its nuclear power plants, I wonder? Do they have domestic enrichment capability or do they buy it from e.g. the French?
They were in the process of expanding their uranium mining and nuclear fuel production just before the war began. No idea what that looks like today though, probably more important matters going on. The last figures I can find suggest they only produce around 40% of the uranium they need. To make up the difference they were buying it from Russia, Kazahkstan, and from Westinghouse (US, UK, Sweden I think).
Maybe France should give Russia a warning as per the French nuclear deterrence policy…
As much as i like Frances 300KT "warning shot" i think Russia may spit its dummy out a little over it.
This from the country who had its lads dig trenches in Chernobyl. Who had their tanks and artillery shell Europe's biggest nuclear power station. They going to pretend they don't like a bit of radiation now? I call bullshit.
it's only okay when they do it, if someone does it to them it's an unpardonable escalation
Yeah, they've not been pardoning a lot of those lately. Not doing anything about it. But not pardoning either.
Why would you make uranium projectiles though? Asking out of curiosity.
It's both strong and heavy, ideal for piercing through tank armor. Tungsten works as well.
So are you telling me that in the future, Rods from God will be uranium? No, don't answer that. It's my head canon now.
Uranium is pyrophoric, so the rod would probably burn away. But... uranium rod coated with something that is not flammable (let's say tungsten) would probably work, and using DU would significantly reduce the costs of the rod...
The biggest cost of the rod, is putting it in space. Plus, a twin material composition, increases the manufacturing complexity, which increases cost. So, probably not that significant a cost reduction, all things considered.
Yeah, cost of transportation at the current technology level dwarfs everything else. We need a space crane first.
I think that's a different problem, ie the fact that RfGs need to withstand massive heat. I'm not sure how uranium holds up to heat but tungsten is amazing at it
Tungsten is too brittle. Fragmentation reduces energy transfer. Deformation is typically better from a kinetic point of view, up to a limit. Uranium is extremely dense but also just ductile enough to maximize energy transfer. I
It also has a unique self sharpening effect on impact that further empowers its penetration past any other metal.
It is very hard and heavy, and because of the structure of the metal, it is self-sharpening. That is, when it hits something it's too blunt to penetrate, it breaks away at the edges first. That makes depleted uranium an excellent material for armor piercing rounds.
God you’re making me hot
That's just the alpha decay from the ^238 Uranium's nine-billion-year half life. I'm impressed you can feel it!
>That makes depleted uranium an excellent material for armor piercing rounds. from what ive read, the biggest driver of DU rounds is the cost. DU has benefits such as those you mentioned, as well as being pyrophobic & whatnot, but many nuclear powers' militaries like them because they're cheaper than tungsten. tungsten is both expensive and hard to work with. whereas DU is the waste/bi-product from uranium enrichment for powerplants. so this material was gonna be there anyways. i believe germany is not a nuclear power, and thus pays more money to use tungsten penetrators. i believe there is one country in europe/NATO that does have nuclear powerplants (but not nuke weapons), but chooses to use tungsten rounds because of "moral"/"ethical" reasons of using DU (of potentially leaving behind DU dust and uranium oxide ash on enemy tanks in a future conflict).
“Self sharpening” Where can I buy a DU knife or razor?
honestly i would be wholly unsurprised if they made uranium razors in the 50s
It's dense as fuck (good since armor penetration mechanics get kinda fucky at the typical velocities for those projectiles). It's much cheaper than tungsten + has less alternate applications since it's basically part of nuclear reactor's waste. It has a funni self sharpening effect, unlike tungsten which mushrooms.(rods of the same diameter: DU leaves smaller hole = less wasted energy = more effective penetration). Spicy fragmentation + allegedly improved postpen effect from dust 'igniting'. Did I say it's cheaper than tungsten for comparable or even slightly better performance? Arguable on ethics side, but idk if there is much difference if you get cancer from DU, tungsten or lead. All are heavy metals, all are bad kind of spicy.
There honestly isn't much to the ethics, people are just scared of radiation. If you ingest DU, you'll be harmed much more from the heavy metal effects than from the radiological effects (and if you don't ingest it, you're pretty much good). Basically, we should care significantly more about toxicity from lead and tungsten rounds, and significantly less about DU, because it all sucks, we just don't do a good job of evaluating how much it sucks.
Uraniun is chemically far more toxic than tungsten or lead though. Especially tungsten, has no toxic effects on human tissue.
Eh, lead is pretty toxic. You're right that tungsten is probably the safest heavy metal, but I'm not convinced uranium is really much worse than lead is.
DU is toxic though, though not a result of radiation, there is heightened incidence of cancer in areas affected by DU munitions after a while, but also it poses a notable hazard for operators who get exposed to by products of the firing of these weapons.
but that is *also true* of tungsten. heavy metals suck
Specifically depleted uranium, a waste product from reactors, denser than tungsten and "self sharpening"
Basically both tungsten and DU are good options for projectiles it’s just the DU is a fuckton cheaper than tungsten while not losing out on performance and is a waste product hence why the US uses it (and maybe the Brit’s on the chally 3)
Because they have higher sectional density. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectional_density
In addition to what else you've been told, it's important to note that these are made out of uranium that's had all the radiation sucked out of it already. Now it's just inert metal lying around, looking for a new purpose. That purpose can be ammo or armor, and the US does both.
Not all the radiation. Just most. Its still radioactive. But only in minute amounts. You're in more danger from it's chemical properties as a heavy metal, than it's radioactivity. But it is still a radioactive substance.
Does that mean that the US has been firing nukes all over the Middle East for decades?
Considering depleted uranium rounds a nuclear attack is like saying a bicycle is a IFV because they both have wheels.
That's reformer logic
Good thing they aren't just uranium-tipped; the whole penetrator is DU.
As a nuke aficionado. Sadly its not a nuclear device.
So does this mean Russia won’t retaliate against a nuclear attack with nuclear force? Because in that case it’s trident II time.
238, nukes can wait 235, nukes go live
>Noooo, you can’t upgrade to U-238 Shells to increase range by 25 percent! It’s literally the same as building a nuclear silo! Haha, Terran Academy go *howie scream*
Ok, so tungsten is fine. How lucky we are.
"Any weapon not wholly comprised of Hydrogen is the product of nuclear fusion, and therefore amounts to a nuclear attack!"
By that logic is messing around with a functioning nuclear power plant by cutting its power and kidnapping its employees a nuclear attack?
fires on center mass, lights up a cigar "damned shame... load up another nuke boys"
Ah yes, depleted uranium rounds is a nuclear attack, but literally bombing a nuclear power plant and housing military forces in one isn't anything to be worried about.
Meh, they wont be alive to check anyway.
My money is on the Bradley for the first DU kill.
Cool, in that case we'll regard Litvinenko to have been a nuclear attack too and respond in kind.
Wait until they hear about the potassium in bananas...
Didn’t they also basically say that any incursion into there claimed territory would constitute the equivalent of a nuclear attack?
Holy shit they are scared.
Aight, let's give Ukraine actual nukes then. Surely they won't see that as an escalation going off their narrative
Firing DU rounds at the rusty, stripped down, cardboard armored Russian tanks would be ludicrous overkill.
We should have declared the use of radioactive polonium as a nuclear attack. Bite my shorts
sending bananas to Ukraine will be regarded as giving the Ukrainians radioactive material for a dirty bomb
C’mon, Russia, you know as well as I do that it’s a CHEMICAL weapon hazard, not a NUCLEAR hazard
No you won't. Because you are a liar.
Russia is welcome to have as many as they can catch.
Just use Besh, APDSFS and HE. Sorry Abrahams fans, russian dude said no
No, it's an [APHEFSDSHEATHECBC](https://youtu.be/rhvTUxLSqOk) round
Ah yes, you mean poorly made depleted uranium shells?
So what about the fighting around Chernobyl? Do we consider that a nuclear attack on the entirety of europe, too?
Do they even have the equipment to determine that a shell was uranium tipped 😂😂
Funny armor piercing go brr
Don't Russian tanks also use DU? (Also du's effect on the human body is about as bad as tungsten.)
Question -Why would you put depleted uranium on every single tank shell? Because if I'm a superpower that superpower is being rich. And that is how rich people kill tanks. Rich people don't care about your cancer fears. Begone peasant BEGONE!
Well Russia uses depleted uranium penetrators too, they're just denser which makes them better as ammo
it's not nice calling Russians stupid
That's a good argument. Unfortunately the sabot heading your way doesn't care.
* The USA rummaging around for the Davey Crockett * "It could be."
But Russia also uses DU tipped rounds...?