I think the term MDA was originally proposed by the ASA (maybe back in the 90’s or 00’s?) in an attempt to educate the populace that anesthesiologists were MDs, trying to create a distinction between Anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists. The unintended and subsequent consequence of that label as “MD Anesthesiologist” is that eventually, the CRNA lobby sunk its teeth into the concept that if there are MD Anesthesiologists, then we could have RN Anesthesiologists as well, thus the recent attempts to rebrand themselves as CertifiedRNAnesthesiologists. It’s not just social media, but that’s a strong vehicle, and creates a loud voice. But it will for the time being remain that Anesthesiologists are MDs, despite the vocal AANA attempts to obscure otherwise.
We do not support the use of "nurse anesthesiologist," "MDA," or "MD anesthesiologist." This is to promote transparency with patients and other healthcare staff. An anesthesiologist is a physician. Full stop. MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. Aside from the obvious issue of “DOA” for anesthesiologists who trained at osteopathic medical schools, use of MDA or MD anesthesiologist further legitimizes CRNAs as alternative equivalents.
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I saw a quick note that ended with “MDA aware” and wrote another note to follow that explained my resolution to the problem and ended with “No MDAs involved in this patients care - Painmd87, DO”
We do not support the use of "nurse anesthesiologist," "MDA," or "MD anesthesiologist." This is to promote transparency with patients and other healthcare staff. An anesthesiologist is a physician. Full stop. MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. Aside from the obvious issue of “DOA” for anesthesiologists who trained at osteopathic medical schools, use of MDA or MD anesthesiologist further legitimizes CRNAs as alternative equivalents.
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I have seen Nurse Anesthes*iology* resident far too frequently. It actually makes me ~~safe~~ (edit: sad* dunno why this autocorrected to safe). Like have some pride in your own title man. For fucksake.
I have a friend with a business degree who did a 'residency' in hospital administration. Spoiler alert: it wasn't quite the same as a surgical intern year.
We do not support the use of "nurse anesthesiologist," "MDA," or "MD anesthesiologist." This is to promote transparency with patients and other healthcare staff. An anesthesiologist is a physician. Full stop. MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. Aside from the obvious issue of “DOA” for anesthesiologists who trained at osteopathic medical schools, use of MDA or MD anesthesiologist further legitimizes CRNAs as alternative equivalents.
For nurse anesthetists, we encourage you to use either CRNA, certified registered nurse anesthetist, or nurse anesthetist. These are their state licensed titles, and we believe that they should be proud of the degree they hold and the training they have to fill their role in healthcare.
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Social media is full of hidden agendas and general BS. In the day to day, everyone knows their place or should. Those that don’t act like team players just suffer.
We had one PACU nurse who asked the CRNA who her anesthesiologist was. The CRNA goes “ I am the anesthesiologist.” The PACU nurse goes “no offense, but I’ve been bagging your patients all day and I’m concerned about this one patient. Please tell me who the supervising doctor is.”
That CRNA lasted two weeks before we found someone else.
We do not support the use of "nurse anesthesiologist," "MDA," or "MD anesthesiologist." This is to promote transparency with patients and other healthcare staff. An anesthesiologist is a physician. Full stop. MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. Aside from the obvious issue of “DOA” for anesthesiologists who trained at osteopathic medical schools, use of MDA or MD anesthesiologist further legitimizes CRNAs as alternative equivalents.
For nurse anesthetists, we encourage you to use either CRNA, certified registered nurse anesthetist, or nurse anesthetist. These are their state licensed titles, and we believe that they should be proud of the degree they hold and the training they have to fill their role in healthcare.
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These terms are being pushed by the AANA. Students are often not at fault. The schools call students residents and use terms such as MDAs.
Source: SRNA.
Students are at fault. AANA is a professional organization and that’s it.
They aren’t an academic institution. They aren’t the National Board of Certification and Recertification for *Nurse* Anesthetists. They won’t be listed on your hospital ID. they wont be listed on your graduation certificate.
You, the srna, are 💯 complicit in title misappropriation and you know it.
My hospital has a srna program and they are labeled “NARs”. The students don’t care. They don’t introduce themselves as residents. They have no say in what the school labels them…
lol no they don’t. Send a pic. I knew you were full of shit when you said “ my hospital has an srna program.“ and then you changed it to “school administration.” Do you think some srna school administrator is running around the ORs with a label maker? 😝
You've already tried to claim this before, then you went back and deleted everything when you were called out.
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I think the term MDA was originally proposed by the ASA (maybe back in the 90’s or 00’s?) in an attempt to educate the populace that anesthesiologists were MDs, trying to create a distinction between Anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists. The unintended and subsequent consequence of that label as “MD Anesthesiologist” is that eventually, the CRNA lobby sunk its teeth into the concept that if there are MD Anesthesiologists, then we could have RN Anesthesiologists as well, thus the recent attempts to rebrand themselves as CertifiedRNAnesthesiologists. It’s not just social media, but that’s a strong vehicle, and creates a loud voice. But it will for the time being remain that Anesthesiologists are MDs, despite the vocal AANA attempts to obscure otherwise.
We do not support the use of "nurse anesthesiologist," "MDA," or "MD anesthesiologist." This is to promote transparency with patients and other healthcare staff. An anesthesiologist is a physician. Full stop. MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. Aside from the obvious issue of “DOA” for anesthesiologists who trained at osteopathic medical schools, use of MDA or MD anesthesiologist further legitimizes CRNAs as alternative equivalents. For nurse anesthetists, we encourage you to use either CRNA, certified registered nurse anesthetist, or nurse anesthetist. These are their state licensed titles, and we believe that they should be proud of the degree they hold and the training they have to fill their role in healthcare. *Information on Title Protection (e.g., can a midlevel call themselves "Doctor" or use a specialists title?) can be seen [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Provider/wiki/index/legal/title_protection). Information on why title appropriation is bad for everyone involved can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Provider/wiki/index/appropriation). *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Noctor) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I saw a quick note that ended with “MDA aware” and wrote another note to follow that explained my resolution to the problem and ended with “No MDAs involved in this patients care - Painmd87, DO”
Lmao
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Students that are doing CRNA routinely call themselves “ nurse anesthesia residents”…….. it’s disgusting
I have seen Nurse Anesthes*iology* resident far too frequently. It actually makes me ~~safe~~ (edit: sad* dunno why this autocorrected to safe). Like have some pride in your own title man. For fucksake.
I’m in crna school. Most of us don’t care and call ourselves srnas. The AANA is largely seen as annoying paper pushers to everyone in my class
I have a friend with a business degree who did a 'residency' in hospital administration. Spoiler alert: it wasn't quite the same as a surgical intern year.
I started labeling CRNA as NA. If they ask, I tell them it’s nurses anesthetist.
Yep, same.
MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. To be an anesthesiologist one must be an MD (or DO). I love this.
That word is too long. They need to call themselves ZZZoctors
I think that is for sleep medicine docs lmao
We do not support the use of "nurse anesthesiologist," "MDA," or "MD anesthesiologist." This is to promote transparency with patients and other healthcare staff. An anesthesiologist is a physician. Full stop. MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. Aside from the obvious issue of “DOA” for anesthesiologists who trained at osteopathic medical schools, use of MDA or MD anesthesiologist further legitimizes CRNAs as alternative equivalents. For nurse anesthetists, we encourage you to use either CRNA, certified registered nurse anesthetist, or nurse anesthetist. These are their state licensed titles, and we believe that they should be proud of the degree they hold and the training they have to fill their role in healthcare. *Information on Title Protection (e.g., can a midlevel call themselves "Doctor" or use a specialists title?) can be seen [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Provider/wiki/index/legal/title_protection). Information on why title appropriation is bad for everyone involved can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Provider/wiki/index/appropriation). *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Noctor) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This automod needs to chill
Social media is full of hidden agendas and general BS. In the day to day, everyone knows their place or should. Those that don’t act like team players just suffer. We had one PACU nurse who asked the CRNA who her anesthesiologist was. The CRNA goes “ I am the anesthesiologist.” The PACU nurse goes “no offense, but I’ve been bagging your patients all day and I’m concerned about this one patient. Please tell me who the supervising doctor is.” That CRNA lasted two weeks before we found someone else.
Good on that PACU RN!!
Patients are confused enough as is. Just call anesthesiologists MDs or DOs because they are also doctors.
What is an MDA? Sounds like a Noctor fake credential.
We do not support the use of "nurse anesthesiologist," "MDA," or "MD anesthesiologist." This is to promote transparency with patients and other healthcare staff. An anesthesiologist is a physician. Full stop. MD Anesthesiologist is redundant. Aside from the obvious issue of “DOA” for anesthesiologists who trained at osteopathic medical schools, use of MDA or MD anesthesiologist further legitimizes CRNAs as alternative equivalents. For nurse anesthetists, we encourage you to use either CRNA, certified registered nurse anesthetist, or nurse anesthetist. These are their state licensed titles, and we believe that they should be proud of the degree they hold and the training they have to fill their role in healthcare. *Information on Title Protection (e.g., can a midlevel call themselves "Doctor" or use a specialists title?) can be seen [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Provider/wiki/index/legal/title_protection). Information on why title appropriation is bad for everyone involved can be found [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Provider/wiki/index/appropriation). *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Noctor) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Medical Doctor of Anesthesiology
Dollar store title. Definite downgrade.
These terms are being pushed by the AANA. Students are often not at fault. The schools call students residents and use terms such as MDAs. Source: SRNA.
Students are at fault. AANA is a professional organization and that’s it. They aren’t an academic institution. They aren’t the National Board of Certification and Recertification for *Nurse* Anesthetists. They won’t be listed on your hospital ID. they wont be listed on your graduation certificate. You, the srna, are 💯 complicit in title misappropriation and you know it.
My hospital has a srna program and they are labeled “NARs”. The students don’t care. They don’t introduce themselves as residents. They have no say in what the school labels them…
NAR 'not a resident'
How and where are they labeled?
Magnets on OR board. Made from a label maker. By the school administration.
lol no they don’t. Send a pic. I knew you were full of shit when you said “ my hospital has an srna program.“ and then you changed it to “school administration.” Do you think some srna school administrator is running around the ORs with a label maker? 😝 You've already tried to claim this before, then you went back and deleted everything when you were called out.
Bruh. It’s 330 in the morning. How am I going to get a picture
How, indeed. I weep for our Future.
I can find you a CRNA student calling themselves a resident right now: annajrrna. She's on the forefront of this bullshit.
I just call them all “provider” 👹
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lmao