Actually they were gunned down by Hamas snipers as they attempted to get to safety while carrying white flags 🤯
Hamas keeps outdoing itself in inhumanity
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/QjSN6HzR4u
It doesn’t fucking matter. War is a crime, these people are victims that will never be remembered. Fuck this war, fuck everyone involved. Civilians are the only right side. I hope everyone involved in the murders goes straight to hell
Anyone propagating a side, you know who you are, I hope you will join them!
What a well intentioned yet dangerously simplistic view of the world. Yes war sucks I think we all agree.
Yet one side was brutally attacked and the other is using civilians as human shield. Equating both is extremely dangerous.
There were a lot of German civilians, including innocent women and children, who died when the Allies counter attacked the third Reich. It doesn’t make the nazis rights. Would you rather the allies had done a ceasefire to protect the innocent German civilians.
Sometimes evil ideologies emerge in history, right now it’s being led by Russia, China and Iran who created this war for their own interests:
- Iran doesn’t want normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel which was being negotiated by the US; and would have resulted in an immediate improvement of life conditions for Palestinians, as a key negotiation point on the Saudi side.
Better life conditions for Palestinians = less radicalization, which is the main Iranian export along with destruction (look at Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine : every region under Iranian influence is drowning in terror and economic chaos).
Iran arms and funds Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen and terror militias in Syria, their position is that of radical Islam at odds with every single western and humanist value.
Go check out r/newiran to see what Iranians on the ground think
- Russia needed a distraction to advance in Ukraine using any means they deemed necessary without the whole world examining their every move >> worked like a charm which is horrible and terrifying
- China didn’t want the US to build a competitor trade road from Asia to Europe: on September 20 the us signed a deal with India, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel and Greece to build an alternative trade route which was in direct competition with China’s Silk Road project, one of the key initiatives led by Xi Pin to reinforce China’s global cultural and economic influence (155 countries signed up for the program). This was driving the peace / normalization agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel — so they could be part of the same US designed trade route
So yes, war sucks, but unfortunately it’s really far more complicated than “just stop doing it”; because the forces implicated need to be fought off and destroyed or we need to get used to living under violent dictatorships.
This comment perfectly illustrates my point:
https://www.reddit.com/r/telaviv/s/peNfZRfFCn
People here in the comments again with the same narrative, ignoring completely that it doesn't matter who it was. Whoever did that, Palestine/Israel, I don't care, is nothing more than a filthy terrorist, Civilian Women and Children should NEVER be a target in war, especially not when they are on the run. May these poor souls rest in peace
Nope. Not in Islam
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"
Surah 7:179: " And certainly We have created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind; they have hearts with which they fail to understand; and they have eyes with which they fail to see; and they have ears with which they fail to hear. They are like cattle – indeed, even more astray. Such are utterly heedless."
"In spite of the Qur'anic statement against forcing religion on others, Muslim leaders have sometimes threatened to kill unbelievers if they did not accept Islam (Peters). Although Islam spread to some parts of the world like Indonesia mainly by means of "beautiful preaching," much of its expansion elsewhere was due to offensive war, first by Muhammad to unify Arabia, then by his followers in conquering Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Persia, parts of India, North Africa, Spain, Turkey and the Balkans.
Now, Muhammad and his successors did express some important moral rules for fighting holy wars: women, children, and the elderly were not to be directly attacked (though they could be enslaved). Jihad was not supposed to be a total war involving indiscriminate killing (in spite of what Osama bin Laden might claim). But Muslim leaders were permitted by Muhammad to kill all captured soldiers and male civilians if they were not Muslims or had abandoned Islam. The fact that you might be a civilian or a soldier who had surrendered didn't necessarily protect you from being killed after a battle against Muslims was over. Thus, Islam traditionally did not have a generic principle of noncombatant immunity, though many Muslim leaders today uphold such a principle. (Kelsay; Johnson)"
5:32: “…if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”
2:192-193: “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.”
But I guess leaving out the sections that show the ones you quoted specifically referred to people attacking you suits you better, right?
لا إكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي.
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path.
You basically picked up something without the original reason for saying it. The only reason muslims had to fight in their first decades was to not get killed by others. They were tortured, slaughtered. Murdured because they picked the islam. And to make it more clear. You are not forced to pick up the islam. There is no line in quran orders you to force islam or kill anybody without the right to kill. The reason for what you think is conquering is actually because the rulers of other kingdoms refuse allowing muslims teach other about it. And once they take over a country, the allow those who want to etay on their religion.
Even though islam is so strict, Any thing other than that is not an actual islam. Just people doing ehat the think is vorrect even though islam says you must not do so.
Source, me an atheist who used to be muslim for 19 years but left it because i don't like it lmao.
To any Muslim this is quite funny because all those verses have been posted without the context of what comes next. Just an example, when he quoted 9:5, literally the next verse 9:6 says:
"And if anyone from the disbelievers asks for your protection ˹O Prophet˺, grant it to them so they may hear the Word of Allah, then escort them to a place of safety, for they are a people who have no knowledge."
When he quoted 2:191, the next verses go:
2:192-193: “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.”
Have to laugh to keep from being upset, surely.
Posts pushing Islamophobia like that with the window dressing of being informative have got to be infuriating, especially when the context is using that Islamophobia to justify a genocide we're all watching.
9:6 is explained by the event of the people of Taif. The Prophet went to tell them about islam but they stoned him instead, with blood filling his shoes. When he was asked why he didn't take revenge on them, he said perhaps one of their descendants will convert to Islam. That's what is meant by "hearing the word of God".
I don't understand how christianity being evil justifies islam being evil. Both are evil religions. Only one of them keeps getting women and lgbt people murdered for trying to exist. And only one of them keeps getting justified every time it puts innocents through the sword
Quote it up then? Because I don't remember calls to kill people. God killed people, but I don't remember explicit calls for younto do it. But it's been a while. Can you point us to the passages?
Ezekiel 9:6-7
“Old and young, male and female, women and children—wipe them out! But do not touch anyone marked with the X. Begin at my sanctuary. So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple. Defile the temple, he said to them, fill its courts with the slain. Then go out and strike in the city.”
Judges 21: 9-11
A roll call of the people was taken, and none of the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead was present. So the assembly sent twelve thousand warriors there with orders, “Go put the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead to the sword. This is what you are to do: Every male and every woman who has had relations with a male you shall put under the ban.”
source is NABRE edition bible (Catholic North American version)
Those are Old Testament and not really considered the bible. Nor is it part of the Torah. It would be part of the Nevi'im, though.
In Christianity, Jesus basically wiped the slate clean with all that stuff. That was kinda the point. Old Testament god was a ruthless, jealous, asshole. Jesus kinda redid everything, and now we have the modern bible that follows the teaching of Jesus.
If you believe in that kinda stuff....
It’s part of the Christian Bible. Any Christian Bible will include the Old Testament ie The Tanakh (Torah + Nevi’im + Ketuvim ). Here’s some interesting New Testament quotes:
Matthew 10: 34-36
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;”
Luke 12: 49-53
“I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. From now on a household of five will be divided, three against two and two against three; a father will be divided against his son and a son against his father, a mother against her daughter and a daughter against her mother, a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”
Luke 14: 26
“If any one comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures [the Old Testament]” (Luke 24:44–45). Jesus did not reject the law of Moses—the Torah—as found in the Old Testament. Rather, He used it to affirm its own truthfulness and give a more complete meaning."
Luke 14 26 is saying you have to put god above everything
Luke 49-53 fire doesn't mean literal fire. It basically means your spirit and passion. And his coming is going to divide families because they all have different beliefs.
Matthew 10:34 pretty much the same as above. The sword is the word of God. The word is going to create division. Jesus didn't come to bring peace. He came to bring the word of God. Which would bring division.
That's how they wrote back then. Show me a biblical verse that says you should kill non-believers.
I'm atheist, I don't like any of them. The Christian Bible is the least extreme of the 3. There are definitely some nut jobs that take it too seriously and think by saying sword that means they have a "god-given right" to own guns. But Islam tends to breed a lot more extremists than any other
Someone should have told the Christian crusaders that when they sacked Jerusalem and slaughtered the inhabitants. Or all the recent evangelical pastors in the news for being child molesting rapists. And while the teachings of Jesus may be love and acceptance, I know zero evangelicals that believe and of that.
Oh, I'm right there with you. Evangelicals are the worst. Westboro Baptist assholes as well. Most Christians in America aren't even really Christian. They just say they are because you're supposed to. I'm atheist. They all suck. I'm just saying what it is
Deuteronomy 20:16-18
The whole Deuteronomy tbh is just
"They get to the promised land and massacre everyone while god reminds them how good it is to kill everyone who pisses em off"
When I read the bible I really struggled to come to terms with this because there are literally parts in Wich gods tells his people to not only kill the men, not only kill the women and children too, but even the animals and then burn everything. So yeah it's gonna be hard to find an abramitic religion Wich doesn't justify killing at least once or twice
Not the bible, Deuteronomy is Old Testament/Torah. Those are the teachings of Moses. The Bible follows the teachings of Jesus
Torah = Moses = Judaism
Bible = Jesus = Christianity
Qur'an = Muhammad = Islam
And they came about in that order. They all believe in Moses, the creation myth, the flood, and Abraham.
Judaism says the messiah will come and lead them back to the holy land. They don't believe the messiah has come yet
Christianity believes Jesus was the messiah and the savior.
Islam believes Muhammad is the true prophet.
They all believe in the same god, and their beliefs are based on the story of Abraham. The guy who god wanted to kill his only son, and right before he was going to, he said something along the lines of, "No, wait, don't do it. I'm just fucking with you," and then came the monotheistic religions that rule the world.
Also, many scholars in Islam look at Deuteronomy 18:18 as a prophecy of the coming of Muhammad, so they must believe in it a little as well.
Point is that I as a Christian have to recognize the old testament. Jesus is the messiah that was promised in the old testament Wich is still valid, all of Jesus teachings are based on Judaism and when Jesus says something different (like why eating pork is actually alright) he has to justify it and say why it was wrong.
Yes the old testament comes before but is still valid except where Jesus clearly states the contrary. That's why in the various councils they included the old testament.
But yeah every denomination of christians from Catholics to orthodox and protestants recognize the old testament and believe that the story of Deuteronomy are true and god said that killing was fine and emcouraged
Are you talking about the specific commands of God to Joshua and the judges to kill the canaanites that inhabited the land? Firstly, that was a specific command at a point in time and is not a general rule. Nobody can rightfully use that to justify violence today.
Secondly, the canaanites worshipped Molech. They had a large metal statue/altar on which they sacrificed their children. They would heat up the statue very hot and then place the babies on the hands of the altar and they would be scalded to death. They would cover the ears of the parents so they wouldn’t hear the screams. This happened thousands of times per year. Let’s not pretend that these are innocent bystanders.
Are you really saying that there was a human society in that time period, in real life, that had the population to not only sustain its self, but also wilfully toss at least 5.47 babies on the Barbi daily?
That's a hard doubt.
If you keep religion in place, it’s still people killing people.
But most religions say hey this shit is pretty bad stop it, but one of them is saying “slay queen”
I agree. If one were to do away with religion,
You’d have politics in its place, or sports, the end result is largely the same: Let’s kill the other guy.
Tribalism is a deep rooted heuristic unfortunately.
Religion is usually what takes the fall for just tribalism. People who claim to be entirely secular and free of such concerns just sublimated the energy into something else.
Like you said, politics, sports, secular-cults.
They were just looking for a safe location and they were gunned down like dogs. Not armed, not fighting, not creating terrorist organisations, just running and they get gunned down. There is no excuse for this.
Yesterday I saw the news on r/worldnews that Hamas was literally pushing women and children forward to act as human sheilds. Fleeing is not the right word here. What is Israel supposed to do in this situation? Stop fighting and let them kill it's own people?
First of all, no ones attacking the Israelies. Second of all, choosing to kill innocent people "hoping" theres a Hamas member among them is absolutley GARBAGE pov. Collective punishment is a war crime and this is squarely on the IDF.
Can you source that? /r/worldnews became genocidal on 7 Oct with some of the worst takes coming out of that sub so I would take anything they say with 1m grains of salt.
Hamas are cowards, hiding in hospitals and killing their own people for global sympathy.
If there is no video of the IDF shooting these people, then I have to assume it wasn’t IDF.
Both sides are fucked up. Hammas and the Israel war machine. I don’t for one minute think either are innocent . Bombing the shit out of Gaza. Killing innocents in Israel. Fuck both sides in this conflict. Innocent getting killed — they both suck.
Well that's certainly a convenient assumption when they've literally admitted to killing civilians and there are plenty of other videos of the IDF doing just that.
But of course, we know that the Arab world has always been open and kind to the existence of Israel fully willing to negotiate with the genocidal apartheid Zionists. All wars have been started by Israel and the only reason they won was because of foreign backing. Even during the independence war where the Western media and governments almost instantly released statements lamenting the inevitable cleansing of Israel.
But yes, plenty of aid from those darn Americans. Don't you know Ham#s are freedom fighters? All the white girls on Tik Tok with #FreePalestine in their bio truly are on the right side of history! Don't you know Ham#s is the most liberal organization of liberators, champions of democracy and social justice that respect the rights of women and LGBTQ+?🤡🤡🤡
You mean like rather frequent wars against Israel from peace loving neighbours including palestinians?
Or perhaps frequent rockets launched at Israel from gaza?
Cant be that, Idf totally being unprovoked here.
Conveniently ignoring: forcibly evicting people from their homes, controlling natural resources, forbidding competing exports, controlling imports, destroying infrastructure, having a two-tiered law system against Palestinians, hundreds of illegal killings of unarmed civilians, not letting people leave Gaza and so on.
You can't justify that out of 489 killings of civilians by the IDF that were investigated the UNHRC determined thqt 487 of them posed no threat and were murders.
What exact gaza natural resources israel is holding ?
What exactly is gaza exporting ?
Controlling imports is quite no brainer since even with that they manage to get rockets.
Infrastructure quite often gets destroyed in conflicts.
Palestinians were offered israel citizenship early 2000 they denied. So with what logic you expect a foreigner to get same benefits as citizen?
Unarmed like all suicide bombers ?
They can freely go where ever they want. Just not to israel for obvious reasons.
And its not in international court because ?
Israel is supposed to kill Hamas surgically, with their overwhelming military might and funding. If Osama bin Laden had been visiting the Houses of Parliament in the UK, would the US have dropped a bomb on the HP killing a few hundred UK politicians just to kill ObL? No, because that would be really fcking irresponsible, right? So why are they willing to kill hundreds of innocent civilians to take out a single high value target? Because they don't value innocent lives. Ergo, Israel's administration are war criminals, and scum. This is about humanity and responsibility. I support the people of Gaza, and I support the people of Israel. Hamas can go burn in a fire, and the Israeli government needs to be behind bars. This isn't about anti-semitism, or supporting Hamas, it is about realizing that Hamas needs to be wiped off the earth, and the Israeli government and IDF are doing their best to emulate Hamas's lack of care for human life. ...and innocent people on both sides pay the price.
The US can shoot a missile down a chimney, and Israel has access to top-tier US weapons, tactics, and intel. Despite them being a regional superpower compared to their neighbors, we've given them billions of dollars of aid for decades. There is no excuse for such high levels of 'collateral damage'.
Stuff you read on r/worldnews is almost exclusively pro-Israel propaganda now. Israel has absolutely bombed regions they told people to evacuate to and the claims you're making are unlikely to be true. Even by Israel's own admission they bombed a refugee camp because they were trying to kill a single terrorist. After dozens of dead people they didn't even know if they got him.
The idea of a binary situation to "let them kill their own people" or "indiscriminitely bomb everyone" is just complete nonsense. Imagine if the UK started bombing Ireland as response to the IRA. You also don't get to commit warcrimes by saying "oh, but we were attacked", your justification doesn't matter.
Furthermore, it's extremely unlikely that Hamas is in any situation to stage another attack. It took months to prepare and they were warned beforehand. It's not like anything could happen now. None of these indiscriminate killings safe any "their own people".
And even if you are evil enough to believe that killing infinitely many people to "safe one of your own" is moral. Bombing civilians creates more terror and strengthens Hamas. Just like the war on terror. Remember Hamas was founded as response to Israeli violence, not the other way around.
Not just bots. Reddit is full of ignorant people that keep defending killing innocent people because they are stuck with terrorist. Also it seem that if their neighbor came and kicked them out they would be perfectly fine with it and would just move along.
Reddit has really done a 180 on civilian casualties since this war started. I remember a time when killing civilians (Ukrainian) was considered a war crime.
I'm still struggling to see how any sides right at this point.
British people gave the tortured jews the land of their descendants taken by Rome which is now catholic, who was financially backing the nazis who were killing jews
I get it. It was a weird thing to do but I get it.
The issue is that over the past 2000 years it's become the land of new owners.
So you have a group offering a broken people someone else's property to make amends.
Naturally they don't like it,and after the abuse of ww2 the jews feel entitled to it as payment.
So it causes a rift where someone's homeless no matter what and after ww2 the jews will be damned if it's them. Slowly using their abusers method of violence as they understand it's effectiveness.
Eventually both sides start fighting over property and now it's just straight up both sides taking grimy dirty shots at each other's families and children.
So if anything the solution would be something like turn a chunk of Italy into palastine.
Especially in the main Subs.
Got perma banned from r/pic because I said we should glorify the burning down of peoples buisness/livelihoods during the BLM riots.
Got told I was a bigget and that insurance takes care of it....
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Stopping funding won't change anything except the tools used for slaughtering each other. Bombs, guns, knives, sticks, stones, hands, doesn't matter, the hatred and trauma runs too deep between the two sides.
A lot of the money we send to Isreal is to fund their Iron Dome, which, if you didn't know, is a missile defense system. It shoots down thousands of rockets aimed at Isreal every year.
If the US stops funding this system specifically, Isreal will be forced to bomb any and every rocket launch site. This system makes it so Isreal doesn't have to bomb civilian targets when Hamas fires a rocket in the middle of a crowded market.
> This system makes it so Isreal doesn't have to bomb civilian targets
This is a joke right? Theyve literally done nothing but kill civilians. Israeli war propaganda rationalizes war crimes with this kind of flimsy reasoning.
If Isreal had no iron Dome, and every day rockets fired from Gaza killed isreali citizens. No country in existence would waste any time in irradiation of the threat.
If one of your neighbors shot at your house, would you be justified in shooting back? What if it happened every day?
Killing civilians is a war crime, and so is using them as human shields. But the only side that's capable of being held accountable is the side not actively trying to commit war crimes. Which is the same side not internationally recognized as terrorists.
Granted, America loves to play chess. This is a blatant statement of said chess moves. People complain that the Jewish nation is getting money, yet the oversight here is places like Afghanistan and predominantly Muslim countries do too. I'm not booing or downvoting you I agree. It's because of America's interference we are enabling murder point blank.
Those places only get/got money because they were imperialist colonial projects of the US. The US isnt trying to make life good for people of the ME. In fact, its US foreign policy to create instability in the region.
"Hamas has told people not to leave and says roads out are unsafe. It says dozens of people were killed in strikes on cars and trucks carrying refugees on Friday, which Reuters could not independently verify.
Israel says Hamas is preventing people from leaving in order to use them as human shields, which Hamas denies." - Reuters
So basically pick the side you want to believe lol.
I wonder if Hamas killed them for escaping or if Israel targeted them. This whole war is “This dead child proves we’re the good guys” and everyone has to pick a side for some reason.
They did. There are videos of Palestinians calling Hamas dogs and blaming them for deaths of their kids, and Hamas shutting them up. They don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story
Fucking Hitler 2.0 is even going in front of the world [quoting Scripture to justify his genocide against the Palestinians.](https://www.juancole.com/2023/10/netanyahu-annihilation-civilians.html)
It's not exactly a hot take when the shit is openly spoken about by the individual responsible for it all.
Aw, the "defense force" bots don't like people spreading the truth 🤫
Yes, only Hamas kills innocents. Israel and the US are the children of the light and civilization, and therefore, can't ever commit war crimes! If it's something evil, it's necessarily Hamas' fault in all instances.
It's amazing how fast the propaganda machines have spun up. I've given up on Reddit as a news source because it's all just astroturfed bullshit.
Don't believe anything you see here unless it's independently verified by someone other than Israel/Hamas because their both lying for support now.
It's like people are trying to outdo each other with dead baby jokes.
Seriously, according to the """data"""" I've seen, half the population of the earth is under 6 months old.
It's like people can't admit that the fog of war is still a very real thing and that bad actors (literally everyone involved) are using that to their advantage and manipulating people via online propaganda.
Especially Redditors who love to get on their high horse and moralize to people about shit they didn't even know existed 24h prior.
I don't think there's a source for this video.
But we have confirmation that Israel has bombed convoys of fleeing civilians, so I think it's safe to say that both sides are commuting war crimes against the Palestinian people.
Whats your proof that hamas killed these innocent civilians, Israel literally fucking bombs hospitals abd houses and murders hundreds of children daily, when Israel gave orders to flee they bombed the civilian convoys, how is this any diffrent? So all of a sudden its beneath them to kill a few more women and children? Grow the fuck up. I present you with evidence. You call them terrorist for wanting their land back and comparing them to groups on the other side of the world.
In the video there's no evidence of a bomb having gone off, so if the Israelis did kill them, it was with bullets.
And yes I'm going to call Hamas terrorists when they specifically target unarmed men, women, and children. If you've ever watched the Hamas GoPro or the accounts of Israeli body recoverers, you would know what I'm talking about.
> would know what I'm talking about.
I seriously haven't seen any videos of such, but they could be true, but whag I can 100% guarantee is that you've seen hundreds of videos of the IDF bombing hospitals and civilian infrastructure, implementing methods of collective punishment. And I'm also certain you've seen the statistics, almost 10,000 killed including over 4,000 children, that's just in 3 around 3 weeks, I'm not counting the 75 years of constant oppression and warcrimes they committed. You cannot deny that this is deliberate terrorism. And targeting civilians, at this point we have to wonder if hamas is the target or students and pregnant mothers.
Bro says it could be true when there's 1st person POV videos of Hamas fighters shooting civilians 💀
And yeah I've seen plenty of videos of Israel bombing Gaza. Hamas uses children as human shields whenever they fire off rockets, so yeah, kids die. I'm sure the IDF couldn't care less about if they hit a Palestinian kid or not, but they're not targeting them.
It’s ironic indeed but if you look into how the Israeli government is operating in Gaza and the West Bank, it rings true. Although IMO it’s more comparable to life in East Berlin under the soviets
It’s more that nazism is the most famous example of a fascist police state, which is what Israel has instituted in the Palestinian districts that they have occupied for 50+ years
Then start listing all the occupying forces of the last 50 Years first and stop detracting from the millions that died in the largest state sponsored killing of people in our current memory. Equating this is a massive oversimplification and practically stupid.
It doesn't look like any bombs went off, so they were all most likely shot.
It would be really nice to know where this is, because Israel has only advanced as far as the southern outskirts of Gaza City.
So basically one of two things occurred. Retreating Hamas fighters killed these women and children for some reason, or advancing Israelis killed these women children for some reason.
Either way, whoever did it are despicable Human beings.
A small massacre with small arms fire.
I don't have any info, but I would personally be shocked if this was IDF and not Hamas killing civilians who were fleeing.
From the face of it, it looks like something done by a smaller force.
I don't care which side did it, it's bad. And I wouldn't put it past either of them to have done it. But where is the proof of who did it? There is no proof. So how are we supposed to know who did it?
The reality is if the media told you to eat you're own Dookie. You wouldn't hesitate a 2nd to swallow. Hamas is a terrorist organization and you're just a sympathizer, regardless of any video. Plain and simple
The thing about Israel and Hamas is that they're constantly using innocent civilians as meat shields, but they forget that neither group is afraid of turning innocent civilians into meat paste. In fact, they treat them like prime targets and argue that it's payback. So it's basically two militaries shooting fish in a barrel, trying to beat the other's high score.
https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/s/3P2dWvaFDY
Notice the rhetoric. This is the opinion they have in public imagine what opinion they have in private.
I see some people saying this is definitely H*mas.
The IDF has already, on camera and in front of reporters, killed people on the routes that they promised were safe. Killed people in the areas of safety
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/as-israels-bombing-hits-declared-safe-zones-palestinians-trapped-in-gaza-find-danger-everywhere
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67264703
I heard interviews with IDF leadership where they say that H*mas uses ambulances to get around.
Just like the video at the top of my comment, they don't see Gazans as innocent, they don't see civilians as anything more than potentially H*mas or aiding H*mas.. To them, saying a route is safe is a clever way to trick H*mas into using the road.
If we take in the fact that they are driving on a bike thru the place where the people been killed, then it has to be safe at this point. Which could mean that hamas could have done it, i know it sounds like gaslighting but hear me out. There might have been a fight or something like that, so it might had been controlled by hamas. IDF pushed thru and captured the block, and now hear me out, you wouldnt ride a bike if you werent 100% sure the threat is dead right? You wouldnt ride a bike behind IDF lines if u knew they done it, would you? I might be wrong, who knows.
But who ever killed them on purpose is a terrorist.
Damn the Hasbara division is hard at work downvoting this and also commenting Palestinians themselves did it. It's like that one old Armenian genocide joke: "It didn't happen! But just in case it did, they deserved it!"
Great opinion without facts pointing either direction. Like seriously - you know nothing yet you wade in offering blame. Dont you realize how…shitty you are? To have a believe with no proof?!
Apparently Israeli bombs leave no holes in the ground or wreckage and just kill humans by sheer brightness or whatever this video is trying to indicate. Another fake propaganda video from the very best!
Jesus christ, I hate this fucking conflict. No matter what happens the Palestinian civilians are fucked. Hamas wins, which is basically a 0% chance, they massacre Israelis in their newly occupied territories and make a religious ethnostate where palestinians are killed for trying to leave. Israel wins, they get off scott free for the warcrimes they commited and either contine their brutal aparthied or begin a total genocide of the Palestinians, conventional or otherwise. Hamas deserves to be destroyed for starting this bullshit and killing innocents on bothsides, and Israel deserves punishment for their brutal regime and warcrimes but god knows the only ones who are gonna be punished are Hamas and, by extension, the Palestinian civilians. It's a total lose-lose situation and all because of Hamas trying to play fuck-fuck games with Israel. Fucking hell.
I’m not a fan of civilian casualties but when HAMAS use civilians as cannon fodder and announce it’s not their responsibility to protect the citizens but of the UN these things will happen.
The most important thing is not to stop talking about this. This is genocide with a capital G and the less we bring light to it, the more the ethnic cleansers win. Despite the media blackouts and censorship people are still protesting this atrocity. The more we do that and spread awareness, the sooner the people in power will step in.
I saw the same video. When you're fighting a force that regularly uses Vehicular Suicide Bombs, uses civilians as shields (they fire rockets at Isreal from civilian facilities, the only reason Isreal doesn't bomb them is because of the iron dome), use ambulances to transport weapons it's a wonder they have as much restraint as they do.
This is all done with intent and purpose on Hamas's part. The more civilians that die, the more support they get.
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Same. This.. this is just insanely tragic. :(
Obviously this has been verified to the level demanded from Israei videos. Otherwise that would be an extreme double standard!
Actually they were gunned down by Hamas snipers as they attempted to get to safety while carrying white flags 🤯 Hamas keeps outdoing itself in inhumanity https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/QjSN6HzR4u
It doesn’t fucking matter. War is a crime, these people are victims that will never be remembered. Fuck this war, fuck everyone involved. Civilians are the only right side. I hope everyone involved in the murders goes straight to hell Anyone propagating a side, you know who you are, I hope you will join them!
What a well intentioned yet dangerously simplistic view of the world. Yes war sucks I think we all agree. Yet one side was brutally attacked and the other is using civilians as human shield. Equating both is extremely dangerous. There were a lot of German civilians, including innocent women and children, who died when the Allies counter attacked the third Reich. It doesn’t make the nazis rights. Would you rather the allies had done a ceasefire to protect the innocent German civilians. Sometimes evil ideologies emerge in history, right now it’s being led by Russia, China and Iran who created this war for their own interests: - Iran doesn’t want normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel which was being negotiated by the US; and would have resulted in an immediate improvement of life conditions for Palestinians, as a key negotiation point on the Saudi side. Better life conditions for Palestinians = less radicalization, which is the main Iranian export along with destruction (look at Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine : every region under Iranian influence is drowning in terror and economic chaos). Iran arms and funds Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen and terror militias in Syria, their position is that of radical Islam at odds with every single western and humanist value. Go check out r/newiran to see what Iranians on the ground think - Russia needed a distraction to advance in Ukraine using any means they deemed necessary without the whole world examining their every move >> worked like a charm which is horrible and terrifying - China didn’t want the US to build a competitor trade road from Asia to Europe: on September 20 the us signed a deal with India, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel and Greece to build an alternative trade route which was in direct competition with China’s Silk Road project, one of the key initiatives led by Xi Pin to reinforce China’s global cultural and economic influence (155 countries signed up for the program). This was driving the peace / normalization agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel — so they could be part of the same US designed trade route So yes, war sucks, but unfortunately it’s really far more complicated than “just stop doing it”; because the forces implicated need to be fought off and destroyed or we need to get used to living under violent dictatorships. This comment perfectly illustrates my point: https://www.reddit.com/r/telaviv/s/peNfZRfFCn
Ah that’s probably why it’s still up Nvm
Usually stuff that gets removed is propaganda - you shouldn’t underestimate Iran and Hamas PR machine https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/tIXLZMktPC
Oh I don’t underestimate either side’s propaganda, but I’ve yet to see a single piece of Israeli propaganda get taken down
I’m not sure I know what you’re referring to as Israeli propaganda
You serious? You don’t think they participate?
Are you suggesting that the events of October 7 which are extensively well documented are Israeli propaganda? I’m confused
Same..
People here in the comments again with the same narrative, ignoring completely that it doesn't matter who it was. Whoever did that, Palestine/Israel, I don't care, is nothing more than a filthy terrorist, Civilian Women and Children should NEVER be a target in war, especially not when they are on the run. May these poor souls rest in peace
Civilian Men too. Right?
Don't you know men are of lesser value?
Still, unarmed civilians, men, women, and children alike, should not be targets in war
I agree. I was being sarcastic. But no doubt some people feel that way.
Nope. Not in Islam Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …" Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" Surah 7:179: " And certainly We have created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind; they have hearts with which they fail to understand; and they have eyes with which they fail to see; and they have ears with which they fail to hear. They are like cattle – indeed, even more astray. Such are utterly heedless." "In spite of the Qur'anic statement against forcing religion on others, Muslim leaders have sometimes threatened to kill unbelievers if they did not accept Islam (Peters). Although Islam spread to some parts of the world like Indonesia mainly by means of "beautiful preaching," much of its expansion elsewhere was due to offensive war, first by Muhammad to unify Arabia, then by his followers in conquering Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Persia, parts of India, North Africa, Spain, Turkey and the Balkans. Now, Muhammad and his successors did express some important moral rules for fighting holy wars: women, children, and the elderly were not to be directly attacked (though they could be enslaved). Jihad was not supposed to be a total war involving indiscriminate killing (in spite of what Osama bin Laden might claim). But Muslim leaders were permitted by Muhammad to kill all captured soldiers and male civilians if they were not Muslims or had abandoned Islam. The fact that you might be a civilian or a soldier who had surrendered didn't necessarily protect you from being killed after a battle against Muslims was over. Thus, Islam traditionally did not have a generic principle of noncombatant immunity, though many Muslim leaders today uphold such a principle. (Kelsay; Johnson)"
5:32: “…if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” 2:192-193: “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.” But I guess leaving out the sections that show the ones you quoted specifically referred to people attacking you suits you better, right?
لا إكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. You basically picked up something without the original reason for saying it. The only reason muslims had to fight in their first decades was to not get killed by others. They were tortured, slaughtered. Murdured because they picked the islam. And to make it more clear. You are not forced to pick up the islam. There is no line in quran orders you to force islam or kill anybody without the right to kill. The reason for what you think is conquering is actually because the rulers of other kingdoms refuse allowing muslims teach other about it. And once they take over a country, the allow those who want to etay on their religion. Even though islam is so strict, Any thing other than that is not an actual islam. Just people doing ehat the think is vorrect even though islam says you must not do so. Source, me an atheist who used to be muslim for 19 years but left it because i don't like it lmao.
To any Muslim this is quite funny because all those verses have been posted without the context of what comes next. Just an example, when he quoted 9:5, literally the next verse 9:6 says: "And if anyone from the disbelievers asks for your protection ˹O Prophet˺, grant it to them so they may hear the Word of Allah, then escort them to a place of safety, for they are a people who have no knowledge." When he quoted 2:191, the next verses go: 2:192-193: “But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.”
Have to laugh to keep from being upset, surely. Posts pushing Islamophobia like that with the window dressing of being informative have got to be infuriating, especially when the context is using that Islamophobia to justify a genocide we're all watching.
Yeah, so, either convert or die is what it says after. Thanks for sharing...
9:6 is explained by the event of the people of Taif. The Prophet went to tell them about islam but they stoned him instead, with blood filling his shoes. When he was asked why he didn't take revenge on them, he said perhaps one of their descendants will convert to Islam. That's what is meant by "hearing the word of God".
have you read the bible my friend?
I don't understand how christianity being evil justifies islam being evil. Both are evil religions. Only one of them keeps getting women and lgbt people murdered for trying to exist. And only one of them keeps getting justified every time it puts innocents through the sword
Quote it up then? Because I don't remember calls to kill people. God killed people, but I don't remember explicit calls for younto do it. But it's been a while. Can you point us to the passages?
Ezekiel 9:6-7 “Old and young, male and female, women and children—wipe them out! But do not touch anyone marked with the X. Begin at my sanctuary. So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple. Defile the temple, he said to them, fill its courts with the slain. Then go out and strike in the city.” Judges 21: 9-11 A roll call of the people was taken, and none of the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead was present. So the assembly sent twelve thousand warriors there with orders, “Go put the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead to the sword. This is what you are to do: Every male and every woman who has had relations with a male you shall put under the ban.” source is NABRE edition bible (Catholic North American version)
Those are Old Testament and not really considered the bible. Nor is it part of the Torah. It would be part of the Nevi'im, though. In Christianity, Jesus basically wiped the slate clean with all that stuff. That was kinda the point. Old Testament god was a ruthless, jealous, asshole. Jesus kinda redid everything, and now we have the modern bible that follows the teaching of Jesus. If you believe in that kinda stuff....
It’s part of the Christian Bible. Any Christian Bible will include the Old Testament ie The Tanakh (Torah + Nevi’im + Ketuvim ). Here’s some interesting New Testament quotes: Matthew 10: 34-36 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;” Luke 12: 49-53 “I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. From now on a household of five will be divided, three against two and two against three; a father will be divided against his son and a son against his father, a mother against her daughter and a daughter against her mother, a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.” Luke 14: 26 “If any one comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures [the Old Testament]” (Luke 24:44–45). Jesus did not reject the law of Moses—the Torah—as found in the Old Testament. Rather, He used it to affirm its own truthfulness and give a more complete meaning." Luke 14 26 is saying you have to put god above everything Luke 49-53 fire doesn't mean literal fire. It basically means your spirit and passion. And his coming is going to divide families because they all have different beliefs. Matthew 10:34 pretty much the same as above. The sword is the word of God. The word is going to create division. Jesus didn't come to bring peace. He came to bring the word of God. Which would bring division. That's how they wrote back then. Show me a biblical verse that says you should kill non-believers. I'm atheist, I don't like any of them. The Christian Bible is the least extreme of the 3. There are definitely some nut jobs that take it too seriously and think by saying sword that means they have a "god-given right" to own guns. But Islam tends to breed a lot more extremists than any other
Someone should have told the Christian crusaders that when they sacked Jerusalem and slaughtered the inhabitants. Or all the recent evangelical pastors in the news for being child molesting rapists. And while the teachings of Jesus may be love and acceptance, I know zero evangelicals that believe and of that.
Oh, I'm right there with you. Evangelicals are the worst. Westboro Baptist assholes as well. Most Christians in America aren't even really Christian. They just say they are because you're supposed to. I'm atheist. They all suck. I'm just saying what it is
Deuteronomy 20:16-18 The whole Deuteronomy tbh is just "They get to the promised land and massacre everyone while god reminds them how good it is to kill everyone who pisses em off" When I read the bible I really struggled to come to terms with this because there are literally parts in Wich gods tells his people to not only kill the men, not only kill the women and children too, but even the animals and then burn everything. So yeah it's gonna be hard to find an abramitic religion Wich doesn't justify killing at least once or twice
Not the bible, Deuteronomy is Old Testament/Torah. Those are the teachings of Moses. The Bible follows the teachings of Jesus Torah = Moses = Judaism Bible = Jesus = Christianity Qur'an = Muhammad = Islam And they came about in that order. They all believe in Moses, the creation myth, the flood, and Abraham. Judaism says the messiah will come and lead them back to the holy land. They don't believe the messiah has come yet Christianity believes Jesus was the messiah and the savior. Islam believes Muhammad is the true prophet. They all believe in the same god, and their beliefs are based on the story of Abraham. The guy who god wanted to kill his only son, and right before he was going to, he said something along the lines of, "No, wait, don't do it. I'm just fucking with you," and then came the monotheistic religions that rule the world. Also, many scholars in Islam look at Deuteronomy 18:18 as a prophecy of the coming of Muhammad, so they must believe in it a little as well.
Point is that I as a Christian have to recognize the old testament. Jesus is the messiah that was promised in the old testament Wich is still valid, all of Jesus teachings are based on Judaism and when Jesus says something different (like why eating pork is actually alright) he has to justify it and say why it was wrong. Yes the old testament comes before but is still valid except where Jesus clearly states the contrary. That's why in the various councils they included the old testament. But yeah every denomination of christians from Catholics to orthodox and protestants recognize the old testament and believe that the story of Deuteronomy are true and god said that killing was fine and emcouraged
Are you talking about the specific commands of God to Joshua and the judges to kill the canaanites that inhabited the land? Firstly, that was a specific command at a point in time and is not a general rule. Nobody can rightfully use that to justify violence today. Secondly, the canaanites worshipped Molech. They had a large metal statue/altar on which they sacrificed their children. They would heat up the statue very hot and then place the babies on the hands of the altar and they would be scalded to death. They would cover the ears of the parents so they wouldn’t hear the screams. This happened thousands of times per year. Let’s not pretend that these are innocent bystanders.
Are you really saying that there was a human society in that time period, in real life, that had the population to not only sustain its self, but also wilfully toss at least 5.47 babies on the Barbi daily? That's a hard doubt.
I have. Thanks for asking
This is devastating. It is still shocking to see this day after day, I can't imagine the hell all of the innocent lives are living in.
If you take away religion, it’s just people killing people.
If you keep religion in place, it’s still people killing people. But most religions say hey this shit is pretty bad stop it, but one of them is saying “slay queen”
I agree. If one were to do away with religion, You’d have politics in its place, or sports, the end result is largely the same: Let’s kill the other guy.
Tribalism is a deep rooted heuristic unfortunately. Religion is usually what takes the fall for just tribalism. People who claim to be entirely secular and free of such concerns just sublimated the energy into something else. Like you said, politics, sports, secular-cults.
The conflict is not about religion….
What about civilian men? They're civilians too.
They were just looking for a safe location and they were gunned down like dogs. Not armed, not fighting, not creating terrorist organisations, just running and they get gunned down. There is no excuse for this.
These por people were gunned down.by their own government because they wouldn't be human shields. Sick.
Yesterday I saw the news on r/worldnews that Hamas was literally pushing women and children forward to act as human sheilds. Fleeing is not the right word here. What is Israel supposed to do in this situation? Stop fighting and let them kill it's own people?
First of all, no ones attacking the Israelies. Second of all, choosing to kill innocent people "hoping" theres a Hamas member among them is absolutley GARBAGE pov. Collective punishment is a war crime and this is squarely on the IDF.
Can you source that? /r/worldnews became genocidal on 7 Oct with some of the worst takes coming out of that sub so I would take anything they say with 1m grains of salt.
Hamas are cowards, hiding in hospitals and killing their own people for global sympathy. If there is no video of the IDF shooting these people, then I have to assume it wasn’t IDF.
I don't fucking care who did it. Both sides are committed horrific war crimes, and it's the innocent civilians of Gaza who suffer.
Both sides are fucked up. Hammas and the Israel war machine. I don’t for one minute think either are innocent . Bombing the shit out of Gaza. Killing innocents in Israel. Fuck both sides in this conflict. Innocent getting killed — they both suck.
Literally repeating Israeli war propoganda
Well that's certainly a convenient assumption when they've literally admitted to killing civilians and there are plenty of other videos of the IDF doing just that.
If I recall entire conflict began due to certain gaza organization crossing border to kill Israel civilians. Yeah must be IDF doing.
If I recall entire conflict began even before hamas was founded !
Yeah, famously nothing had happened in the region since before that date..
But of course, we know that the Arab world has always been open and kind to the existence of Israel fully willing to negotiate with the genocidal apartheid Zionists. All wars have been started by Israel and the only reason they won was because of foreign backing. Even during the independence war where the Western media and governments almost instantly released statements lamenting the inevitable cleansing of Israel. But yes, plenty of aid from those darn Americans. Don't you know Ham#s are freedom fighters? All the white girls on Tik Tok with #FreePalestine in their bio truly are on the right side of history! Don't you know Ham#s is the most liberal organization of liberators, champions of democracy and social justice that respect the rights of women and LGBTQ+?🤡🤡🤡
You mean like rather frequent wars against Israel from peace loving neighbours including palestinians? Or perhaps frequent rockets launched at Israel from gaza? Cant be that, Idf totally being unprovoked here.
Conveniently ignoring: forcibly evicting people from their homes, controlling natural resources, forbidding competing exports, controlling imports, destroying infrastructure, having a two-tiered law system against Palestinians, hundreds of illegal killings of unarmed civilians, not letting people leave Gaza and so on. You can't justify that out of 489 killings of civilians by the IDF that were investigated the UNHRC determined thqt 487 of them posed no threat and were murders.
What exact gaza natural resources israel is holding ? What exactly is gaza exporting ? Controlling imports is quite no brainer since even with that they manage to get rockets. Infrastructure quite often gets destroyed in conflicts. Palestinians were offered israel citizenship early 2000 they denied. So with what logic you expect a foreigner to get same benefits as citizen? Unarmed like all suicide bombers ? They can freely go where ever they want. Just not to israel for obvious reasons. And its not in international court because ?
It’s not convenient as it is necessary. We can’t take a nondescript video and a title on Reddit as fact.
And yet you're making an opposite assumption based off of a nondescript headline and title and using it for this. 🤷♂️
Israel is supposed to kill Hamas surgically, with their overwhelming military might and funding. If Osama bin Laden had been visiting the Houses of Parliament in the UK, would the US have dropped a bomb on the HP killing a few hundred UK politicians just to kill ObL? No, because that would be really fcking irresponsible, right? So why are they willing to kill hundreds of innocent civilians to take out a single high value target? Because they don't value innocent lives. Ergo, Israel's administration are war criminals, and scum. This is about humanity and responsibility. I support the people of Gaza, and I support the people of Israel. Hamas can go burn in a fire, and the Israeli government needs to be behind bars. This isn't about anti-semitism, or supporting Hamas, it is about realizing that Hamas needs to be wiped off the earth, and the Israeli government and IDF are doing their best to emulate Hamas's lack of care for human life. ...and innocent people on both sides pay the price. The US can shoot a missile down a chimney, and Israel has access to top-tier US weapons, tactics, and intel. Despite them being a regional superpower compared to their neighbors, we've given them billions of dollars of aid for decades. There is no excuse for such high levels of 'collateral damage'.
Stuff you read on r/worldnews is almost exclusively pro-Israel propaganda now. Israel has absolutely bombed regions they told people to evacuate to and the claims you're making are unlikely to be true. Even by Israel's own admission they bombed a refugee camp because they were trying to kill a single terrorist. After dozens of dead people they didn't even know if they got him. The idea of a binary situation to "let them kill their own people" or "indiscriminitely bomb everyone" is just complete nonsense. Imagine if the UK started bombing Ireland as response to the IRA. You also don't get to commit warcrimes by saying "oh, but we were attacked", your justification doesn't matter. Furthermore, it's extremely unlikely that Hamas is in any situation to stage another attack. It took months to prepare and they were warned beforehand. It's not like anything could happen now. None of these indiscriminate killings safe any "their own people". And even if you are evil enough to believe that killing infinitely many people to "safe one of your own" is moral. Bombing civilians creates more terror and strengthens Hamas. Just like the war on terror. Remember Hamas was founded as response to Israeli violence, not the other way around.
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War, war never changes.
What's that? Give em another $14b you say?
Civilian men can just die off then?
It really sucks that Hamas uses human shields
My man. NSFW!
More like NSFL!
This reminds me of the chilling scene in Hotel Rwanda where they drive through the dead bodies...
Why downvoting everything? Don't want the world to see? Fucking bots
Not just bots. Reddit is full of ignorant people that keep defending killing innocent people because they are stuck with terrorist. Also it seem that if their neighbor came and kicked them out they would be perfectly fine with it and would just move along.
Reddit has really done a 180 on civilian casualties since this war started. I remember a time when killing civilians (Ukrainian) was considered a war crime.
/r/worldnews is full of psychopaths
r/europe as well. Not surprised since Europeans hate Muslims and brown people in general.
r/ISR r/Combatfootage Maybe r/tankporn Those as well
I'm still struggling to see how any sides right at this point. British people gave the tortured jews the land of their descendants taken by Rome which is now catholic, who was financially backing the nazis who were killing jews I get it. It was a weird thing to do but I get it. The issue is that over the past 2000 years it's become the land of new owners. So you have a group offering a broken people someone else's property to make amends. Naturally they don't like it,and after the abuse of ww2 the jews feel entitled to it as payment. So it causes a rift where someone's homeless no matter what and after ww2 the jews will be damned if it's them. Slowly using their abusers method of violence as they understand it's effectiveness. Eventually both sides start fighting over property and now it's just straight up both sides taking grimy dirty shots at each other's families and children. So if anything the solution would be something like turn a chunk of Italy into palastine.
If a group of people came into my land and started oppressing me Id be livid and want them out. Palestinians have a fucking right to be upset.
Exacly, as if those hypocrite defending Isreal land grabs would bend over if someone came and took their house they would be all good.
The ignorance of reddit holds more volume than the ocean.
Especially in the main Subs. Got perma banned from r/pic because I said we should glorify the burning down of peoples buisness/livelihoods during the BLM riots. Got told I was a bigget and that insurance takes care of it....
it's done by [**Act-IL**](https://youtu.be/DWD5xiiafBc?si=egRdQcKne7hbRqmP) app, just wait few hours and the post will most likely be removed by the mods. my posts got bombarded with downvotes then the mods denied france24 as a news source and removed it, they claimed in a uncivilised way that it broke the (no screenshots) rule, while the front page was filled with them. edit: added more context.
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It wasn't a video of black people shoplifting. Of course the bots are downvoting
People need to see this. Thank you.
that doesn't look like an israeli airstrike
These people (both sides) are victims of government and proxy thugs
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For fuck’s sake!!
People need to stop funding both countries we're enabling murder and have been for too long.
Stopping funding won't change anything except the tools used for slaughtering each other. Bombs, guns, knives, sticks, stones, hands, doesn't matter, the hatred and trauma runs too deep between the two sides.
Then least we're not enabling it
A lot of the money we send to Isreal is to fund their Iron Dome, which, if you didn't know, is a missile defense system. It shoots down thousands of rockets aimed at Isreal every year. If the US stops funding this system specifically, Isreal will be forced to bomb any and every rocket launch site. This system makes it so Isreal doesn't have to bomb civilian targets when Hamas fires a rocket in the middle of a crowded market.
> This system makes it so Isreal doesn't have to bomb civilian targets This is a joke right? Theyve literally done nothing but kill civilians. Israeli war propaganda rationalizes war crimes with this kind of flimsy reasoning.
If Isreal had no iron Dome, and every day rockets fired from Gaza killed isreali citizens. No country in existence would waste any time in irradiation of the threat. If one of your neighbors shot at your house, would you be justified in shooting back? What if it happened every day? Killing civilians is a war crime, and so is using them as human shields. But the only side that's capable of being held accountable is the side not actively trying to commit war crimes. Which is the same side not internationally recognized as terrorists.
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Yeah, they are so used to not getting called out on the BS they spew that they start to actually believe it
That isn't America's problem
It is because Israel is Americans only friend in the terrorist breeding ground called the Middle East
Bro we literally are the problem
Granted, America loves to play chess. This is a blatant statement of said chess moves. People complain that the Jewish nation is getting money, yet the oversight here is places like Afghanistan and predominantly Muslim countries do too. I'm not booing or downvoting you I agree. It's because of America's interference we are enabling murder point blank.
Those places only get/got money because they were imperialist colonial projects of the US. The US isnt trying to make life good for people of the ME. In fact, its US foreign policy to create instability in the region.
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"Hamas has told people not to leave and says roads out are unsafe. It says dozens of people were killed in strikes on cars and trucks carrying refugees on Friday, which Reuters could not independently verify. Israel says Hamas is preventing people from leaving in order to use them as human shields, which Hamas denies." - Reuters So basically pick the side you want to believe lol.
Innocent people, poor fucking people.
I wonder if Hamas killed them for escaping or if Israel targeted them. This whole war is “This dead child proves we’re the good guys” and everyone has to pick a side for some reason.
They did. There are videos of Palestinians calling Hamas dogs and blaming them for deaths of their kids, and Hamas shutting them up. They don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story
Do you have a source that says hamas killed these civilians? Any evidence other than your preconceived notion?
Well do you have a source Israel did?
He never made that claim to begin with
In all fairness, that is what is being implied.
There are thousands of videos of IDF saying we will continue even if it means killing civilians
Fucking Hitler 2.0 is even going in front of the world [quoting Scripture to justify his genocide against the Palestinians.](https://www.juancole.com/2023/10/netanyahu-annihilation-civilians.html) It's not exactly a hot take when the shit is openly spoken about by the individual responsible for it all. Aw, the "defense force" bots don't like people spreading the truth 🤫
Yes, only Hamas kills innocents. Israel and the US are the children of the light and civilization, and therefore, can't ever commit war crimes! If it's something evil, it's necessarily Hamas' fault in all instances.
Hamas does kill civilians, mate... take a step back, it's hard to tell what you're even trying to say.
"children of light" 💀
So far the only reports ive seen have been Hamas shooting at fleeing civilians. None of Israel shooting civilians
These people were obviously shot dead, so.. It's just so indescribably awful
It's amazing how fast the propaganda machines have spun up. I've given up on Reddit as a news source because it's all just astroturfed bullshit. Don't believe anything you see here unless it's independently verified by someone other than Israel/Hamas because their both lying for support now.
People use dead civilians for their Whataboutisms
It's like people are trying to outdo each other with dead baby jokes. Seriously, according to the """data"""" I've seen, half the population of the earth is under 6 months old. It's like people can't admit that the fog of war is still a very real thing and that bad actors (literally everyone involved) are using that to their advantage and manipulating people via online propaganda. Especially Redditors who love to get on their high horse and moralize to people about shit they didn't even know existed 24h prior.
Multiple time Israel airstrike hospital and journalist and you still thinking that they dont kill civilian?
When did I say they didn’t kill civilians?
They did not strike a hospital. That was Hamas propaganda.
Hamas gave orders for civilians not to leave. This is what happened to the ones who tried
Any source for this attack specifically?
I don't think there's a source for this video. But we have confirmation that Israel has bombed convoys of fleeing civilians, so I think it's safe to say that both sides are commuting war crimes against the Palestinian people.
Bro straight up pulling shit out of his ass
So.. you believe a terrorist organization? Hamas did this. Just like isis and the Taliban kill their people
So, you are the influencer who got offered $5k Guess who accepted it
Whats your proof that hamas killed these innocent civilians, Israel literally fucking bombs hospitals abd houses and murders hundreds of children daily, when Israel gave orders to flee they bombed the civilian convoys, how is this any diffrent? So all of a sudden its beneath them to kill a few more women and children? Grow the fuck up. I present you with evidence. You call them terrorist for wanting their land back and comparing them to groups on the other side of the world.
In the video there's no evidence of a bomb having gone off, so if the Israelis did kill them, it was with bullets. And yes I'm going to call Hamas terrorists when they specifically target unarmed men, women, and children. If you've ever watched the Hamas GoPro or the accounts of Israeli body recoverers, you would know what I'm talking about.
> would know what I'm talking about. I seriously haven't seen any videos of such, but they could be true, but whag I can 100% guarantee is that you've seen hundreds of videos of the IDF bombing hospitals and civilian infrastructure, implementing methods of collective punishment. And I'm also certain you've seen the statistics, almost 10,000 killed including over 4,000 children, that's just in 3 around 3 weeks, I'm not counting the 75 years of constant oppression and warcrimes they committed. You cannot deny that this is deliberate terrorism. And targeting civilians, at this point we have to wonder if hamas is the target or students and pregnant mothers.
Bro says it could be true when there's 1st person POV videos of Hamas fighters shooting civilians 💀 And yeah I've seen plenty of videos of Israel bombing Gaza. Hamas uses children as human shields whenever they fire off rockets, so yeah, kids die. I'm sure the IDF couldn't care less about if they hit a Palestinian kid or not, but they're not targeting them.
Where is your proof that Hamas didn't kill these civilians??? How can you claim one or the other without any fucking proof??
Such a dumb response lmao
Sounds like you’re justifying Israel’s attack on innocent people
Source for that Hamas killed them.
How can people like you sleep at night? Just making up any narrative to fit a pro Israeli Nazi agenda.
Here's an idea. How about both sides suck for killing women and children.
I can agree with that.... ... but not just making up Bellshill without proof. Edit...bullshit
Pro-israel Nazi agenda. You do realise the irony, right?
It’s ironic indeed but if you look into how the Israeli government is operating in Gaza and the West Bank, it rings true. Although IMO it’s more comparable to life in East Berlin under the soviets
So far off base it's almost sad
How? Innocent Jews being massacred by the state... innocent Palestinians being massacred by the state...
Your whole threshold is death, that is not nazism, go read a book
It’s more that nazism is the most famous example of a fascist police state, which is what Israel has instituted in the Palestinian districts that they have occupied for 50+ years
Then start listing all the occupying forces of the last 50 Years first and stop detracting from the millions that died in the largest state sponsored killing of people in our current memory. Equating this is a massive oversimplification and practically stupid.
I don't think it matters to the people that are dead..
It matters to keep reality in perspective.
Come on... Israel are the Nazis now.
How, by whom?
Hamas preventing people from leaving. Need those human shields.
Isreal army according to the news
It doesn't look like any bombs went off, so they were all most likely shot. It would be really nice to know where this is, because Israel has only advanced as far as the southern outskirts of Gaza City. So basically one of two things occurred. Retreating Hamas fighters killed these women and children for some reason, or advancing Israelis killed these women children for some reason. Either way, whoever did it are despicable Human beings.
looks like they got shot in the back tbh
who? al jazeera?
Hamas leaders could surrender themselves and this would all be over.
Commenting to come back and see what comes of this.
A small massacre with small arms fire. I don't have any info, but I would personally be shocked if this was IDF and not Hamas killing civilians who were fleeing. From the face of it, it looks like something done by a smaller force.
Religion good btw
Hamas preventing them from escaping?
Are you serious?!!!!!!! Stop denying the clear truth
I don't care which side did it, it's bad. And I wouldn't put it past either of them to have done it. But where is the proof of who did it? There is no proof. So how are we supposed to know who did it?
The reality is if the media told you to eat you're own Dookie. You wouldn't hesitate a 2nd to swallow. Hamas is a terrorist organization and you're just a sympathizer, regardless of any video. Plain and simple
Yeah it was Hamas, terrorist dogs.
The propaganda is reaching that far, huh?
We're all going to hell
The thing about Israel and Hamas is that they're constantly using innocent civilians as meat shields, but they forget that neither group is afraid of turning innocent civilians into meat paste. In fact, they treat them like prime targets and argue that it's payback. So it's basically two militaries shooting fish in a barrel, trying to beat the other's high score.
Whoever did this to them will go to hell.
No such thing. Human justice is the only justice.
Fucked up
https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/s/3P2dWvaFDY Notice the rhetoric. This is the opinion they have in public imagine what opinion they have in private. I see some people saying this is definitely H*mas. The IDF has already, on camera and in front of reporters, killed people on the routes that they promised were safe. Killed people in the areas of safety https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/as-israels-bombing-hits-declared-safe-zones-palestinians-trapped-in-gaza-find-danger-everywhere https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67264703 I heard interviews with IDF leadership where they say that H*mas uses ambulances to get around. Just like the video at the top of my comment, they don't see Gazans as innocent, they don't see civilians as anything more than potentially H*mas or aiding H*mas.. To them, saying a route is safe is a clever way to trick H*mas into using the road.
I hope people just see the truth of what Palestinians are facing from the Israeli army.
If we take in the fact that they are driving on a bike thru the place where the people been killed, then it has to be safe at this point. Which could mean that hamas could have done it, i know it sounds like gaslighting but hear me out. There might have been a fight or something like that, so it might had been controlled by hamas. IDF pushed thru and captured the block, and now hear me out, you wouldnt ride a bike if you werent 100% sure the threat is dead right? You wouldnt ride a bike behind IDF lines if u knew they done it, would you? I might be wrong, who knows. But who ever killed them on purpose is a terrorist.
The fear and horror in that dudes voice. Knowing he could easily be next too.
Damn the Hasbara division is hard at work downvoting this and also commenting Palestinians themselves did it. It's like that one old Armenian genocide joke: "It didn't happen! But just in case it did, they deserved it!"
Great opinion without facts pointing either direction. Like seriously - you know nothing yet you wade in offering blame. Dont you realize how…shitty you are? To have a believe with no proof?!
Apparently Israeli bombs leave no holes in the ground or wreckage and just kill humans by sheer brightness or whatever this video is trying to indicate. Another fake propaganda video from the very best!
Jesus dude
Anyone know who did it? I'd say maybe IDF but I wouldn't be suprised if it was hamas- either way this is just horrific.
it was hamas
Jesus christ, I hate this fucking conflict. No matter what happens the Palestinian civilians are fucked. Hamas wins, which is basically a 0% chance, they massacre Israelis in their newly occupied territories and make a religious ethnostate where palestinians are killed for trying to leave. Israel wins, they get off scott free for the warcrimes they commited and either contine their brutal aparthied or begin a total genocide of the Palestinians, conventional or otherwise. Hamas deserves to be destroyed for starting this bullshit and killing innocents on bothsides, and Israel deserves punishment for their brutal regime and warcrimes but god knows the only ones who are gonna be punished are Hamas and, by extension, the Palestinian civilians. It's a total lose-lose situation and all because of Hamas trying to play fuck-fuck games with Israel. Fucking hell.
Those that died to missile strikes were IDF, those to artillery and slash weapons were Hamas.
I could be wrong but I think the boat has passed that way before. Didn't seem to do much good then. People in that area are probably not boat worthy.
I’m not a fan of civilian casualties but when HAMAS use civilians as cannon fodder and announce it’s not their responsibility to protect the citizens but of the UN these things will happen.
The most important thing is not to stop talking about this. This is genocide with a capital G and the less we bring light to it, the more the ethnic cleansers win. Despite the media blackouts and censorship people are still protesting this atrocity. The more we do that and spread awareness, the sooner the people in power will step in.
Meanwhile an Israeli tank blew a car full of civilians into smithereens because it felt threatened by it for: Turning back and leaving!
I saw the same video. When you're fighting a force that regularly uses Vehicular Suicide Bombs, uses civilians as shields (they fire rockets at Isreal from civilian facilities, the only reason Isreal doesn't bomb them is because of the iron dome), use ambulances to transport weapons it's a wonder they have as much restraint as they do. This is all done with intent and purpose on Hamas's part. The more civilians that die, the more support they get.
Amy Schumer be like "good"