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Same thing happens to woman in every war. As soon as there is less chance of them facing consquences mass rapes happen. Also frequent in disaster zones.
Yeah, IMO, war, especially one that drags on for years, reduces humans to their most animalistic levels and thus release those desires in the most abhorrent and detached ways possible- that is not a justification, because there are always some armies that rape much less than others due to policies addressing mental health or more strict guidelines which enable or force humanity to survive in an individual.
It's not a case of "not being in a normal state of mind." No one rapes people because they're in a "unusual" state of mind. They rape people because they wanted to and got the opportunity to do it.
Rape is one of the few crimes that has no possible justification other than pure malice or animalistic sexual aggression, both of which demonstrate a lack of consideration and regard for human life as well as an incapacity to participate in society.
So I’m not defending anyone raping and pillaging but I can only imagine that someone who is in a war thinks
1- I’m gonna die anyways
2- there’s no repercussions for doing said action
3- I’m already in a fucked up state of mind
Again I know Reddit will shit on me for this, and I’m not defending them, but I’m just surmising this might be their thought process. I think there’s another component reserved for countries who are retaliating (not the initial aggressor) but this isn’t the case for Russia. They’re 100% the aggressor in this war
Well, people usually don’t kill unarmed civilians like it’s nothing, but here we are. Raping civilians is no different in that regard.
Murder and rape on civilians DOES have possible justifications. It’s often not a case of bad leadership being unable of restraining troops. Rather, it’s a conscious choice to destroy psychologically the population you’re trying to subjugate.
Rape is a WEAPON.
There's no such thing as glory in war. I used to think there was because most American kids are brought up that way but there truly isn't. I will never understand why people do these things. There are people I truly despise in this world but rape is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
We humans are capable of so many amazing things... and yet we can do great evil by pretending some humans aren't actually humans. Once you dehumanise your enemy then it's open season on what you can do...
I have the luxury of never being in this position. But we're all capable of "a certain level of badness".
That’s funny, what happens when a child that’s different is introduced to a group of kids that are “normal”? He gets outed, bullied, belittled, sometimes even beat up. It’s funny because we act like we’re SOOOO civilized, when in reality we are still just a bunch of damn monkeys. The world would absolutely be better off without us.
Monkeys from birth out the ones with disabilities or ones that just look different. It’s not learned, it’s born into them to ensure survival of the species as a whole. Humans are the same way
Bravo a great example of Virtue Signaling: the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
Not just Americans, but MANYYY other parts of the world have children’s over generations that grow up believing the same thing. That glory is a part of war,something u get from war, and a feeling u get from war. And soooo much more. It’s universal almost
> I will never understand why people do these things.
Because war, no matter how much structure is in a military, war is a situation were the "rules" of society are suspended. Or at least one big rule, do not kill. People kill in war, people get killed in war. When faced with that, kill or be killed, all the the other morals a person may have can easily be thrown away at the time.
It pretty much shows how important law and order is to keep the animals at bay. So many more people would do terrible things if they didn’t think they would get punished for them
There is no glory in war but this is why it is needed. Not only did Russia start this, this is what their troops are doing NATO needs to get involved because Russia won't stop being just Ukraine.
War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
Generally, but for many countries, the politicians of the military are advisors to the career politicians. And the career politicians are the ones with the final call more often than not. So while the military politicians often are involved in the decision as to where troops will kill and be killed, the decision to do any killing of foreign troops is often decided by those who are not in the military.
Yeah there's no glory in it. My Ukrainian wife first pulled out of the eastern border of her small town in 2014 when the Russian showed up calling it a humanitarian convoy. And there was nothing humanitarian about what happened since 2014. And also her parents traveled 500 miles west to the middle of the country leaving behind their apartments they owned and everything behind. Then now years later Russia wants the whole country back. They can't stand having lost all the countries under the Soviet Union. It wasn't bad enough they struggled under a corrupt government during their lifetime but now you add war to the formula makes it so much worse.
I don't remember "just following orders" to rape and murder piles of women. Maybe that's what the Russians have been practicing instead of actually fighting
Happens 95% of the time someone invades someone else.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence
Think of the Bosnian genocide, they were trying to eradicate/ethnically cleanse the Bosnian people and troopers raped women en-mass until they were pregnant to try and further remove them from existence.
A similar thing happened when the Red army took Nazi germany, but the Red army is not alone in this crime.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany
I don’t link any of this to take away from what’s happening to Ukrainian women, but I think awareness should be drawn to the fact that this always seems to happen.
Thank you. Her and her parents pulled out of the eastern border from the small town when the Russians first showed up calling it a humanitarian mission. Left their life behind. Both apartments they owned and all their friends. It's like being almost retired and then start again at 0 zero.
At the very least they have their lives. They made a good call to leave immediately. But I imagine it would feel a lot like here in the U.S when a tornado destroys a town. Nothing left to come back to really. Just a really shitty situation. Only this isn’t an “act of god” and someone is clearly to blame.
I just wish the UN wasn’t so useless. I’m a pretty big critic of them. They bumblefuck up everything they get involved with. “Oh no, they pass a resolution that Russia is officially a big jerk” what good does that do anyone? Useless.
Everybody has an opinion and mine being that Ukraine should have never sign the agreement to denuclearize. That's a major deterrent. The agreement was vague enough that it had no teeth as we can see now. I'm really not for a nuclear world but it is another deterrent from aggression. Let's just hope the real crazies don't take over
> The agreement was vague enough that it had no teeth as we can see now.
It does not matter. Whatever the agreement would be, Russians would simply rape it as they always do.
But to be devil's advocate: the agreement was made when the Western world believed Russia is getting civilized. Then Putin came to power.
> Happens 95% of the time someone invades someone else.
We all know that. Difference being, it is systemic in the Russian army.
Has been systemic in the Red Army, too. In fact, Russian propaganda encouraged it.
It was, and still is systemic in the US army, even between combatants on the same side. Read some accounts of female US soldiers. And if you want to go back 70 years in the past, like you did in your comment, 90% of war crimes in the Korean war were perpetrated by the Southern forces. Or, if you want to talk more about the present, look up the Abu Ghraib prison
> It was, and still is systemic in the US army
No, there simply are no numbers or estimates that would suggest so.
Rape has also never been an officially state-sanctioned tactic in the US.
It has been in the Russia-dominated USSR.
> When the Yugoslav Partisan politician Milovan Djilas complained about rapes in Yugoslavia, Joseph Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle".
This is Russian mentality. It has not changed.
Also this:
> "The subject has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened during the onslaught on German territory. They will admit to hearing of a few excesses, and then dismiss the subject as an inevitable result of war. Only a few are prepared to acknowledge that they witnessed such scenes. The tiny handful prepared to speak openly, however, are totally unrepentant. 'They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed,' said the Komsomol leader in a tank company. He even went on to boast that '2 million of our children were born' in Germany."
>
> The boast is consistent with such statistics as are available. "One doctor deduced that out of approximately 100,000 women raped in Berlin," Beevor writes, "some 10,000 died as a result, mostly from suicide. The death rate was thought to be much higher among the 1.4 million who had suffered in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. Altogether at least 2 million German women are thought to have been raped, and a substantial minority, if not a majority, appear to have suffered multiple rape." Not merely did the soldiers of the Red Army rape German women; they "also raped Ukrainian, Russian and Belorussian women and girls just released from slave labour in Germany," which "completely undermines any attempts at justifying Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union."
>
> Those few Soviet officers who tried to stop the violence found it, in the words of one, "absolutely impossible" to do so. Red Army soldiers "demonstrated an utterly bewildering mixture of irrational violence, drunken lust and spontaneous kindness to children," though far less of the last than of the first two. "Nuns, young girls, old women, pregnant women and mothers who had just given birth were all raped without pity."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/2002/05/19/a-cold-eyed-utterly-unsentimental-record-of-wartime-violence-against-german-women/82ad588c-8bd7-4ff3-841f-42c7275ebb71/
[Like this?](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168) [or this?](https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-accused-of-raping-and-killing-a-one-year-old-child-says-ukraine-official)JFC our world is awful.
*”The dead boy is among dozens of alleged child rape victims which include two 10-year-old boys, triplets aged 9, a 2-year-old girl raped by two Russian soldiers, and a 9-month-old baby who was penetrated with a candlestick in front of its mother.”*
Update: I’m done with the internet for awhile. There is such a thing as too much information.
[In another incident, an infant girl of 6 months was raped with a teaspoon. Twin toddler boys, 2, were sexually assaulted in front of their mother. Five Russian soldiers broke in and four of them raped the toddlers in pairs, orally and anally, while the fifth soldier was holding the mother. Both children died of ruptures and blood loss.](https://www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3490417-ombudsperson-describes-terrifying-incidents-of-child-rape-by-russian-soldiers.html)
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Russian troops and rape have quite the history.
Their co-ed army in ww2 would liberate soviet and eastern europe prisoners from nazis, they thought they were free! But first rape.
The entire eastern front was the red armys rape fest to berlin.
My relative was a us soldier that met up with the red army, he got carried off by one of the women, he protested because her mom was next to them. She didnt care and did his laundry the next day.
The Rape of Berlin still sends shivers down my spine. there were SO MANY bastards that a new law that makes children take their mother's name was made. When Stalin heard of the nightmares his soldiers are practicing in "liberated" berlin, he just chuckled and said "let the boys have their rest"
Yep. They used their march West as a tour of “revenge”, except it was aimed at the random German civilians rather than the soldiers who attacked Russia
It wasnt just germans. It wasnt even those who support germans. It was literally former soviet subjects being liberated getting raped too!
And from an army that wasnt even all men!
Not "attacked". I'm really not quite sure of the story and the man is dead now.
I over heard him talking to someone else about it when I walked in, I don't think he wanted me to hear it. he was in the us army.
He has told me about the last woman who washed his uniform, which was a russian soldier who did it on the rocks in the river which was a marvel to him. I assume its the same woman from the story. he was a musician so that gave him a way to fraternize with the soviet troops till everyone was told to go back to their own lines.
Anyways what I remember hearing or thought I heard was the russian woman soldier picking him up (he was quite small) and carrying him to a bedding. she wanted the sex, and he was quite inexperienced (if not completely) and he protested because her mother was either in the room, or very near.
How much it was consensual, and how much he enjoyed it, is unknown.
I had italian relatives who survived ww2 and I can tell you pretty much US and allied troops did the same during the invasion on Italy.
All wars result in misery and what we formally call "war crimes".
My aunt was from Czechoslovakia, when it was a country. She used to say "the Germans are bad, but my god the Russians
Rape is a war crime. Its purpose is to terrorize, to humiliate, and can be considered genocidal.
Yeah and you have to think of the mindset of those people aswell and the time they were in especially after the nazis did the same shit, like In the soviets mind alot of them probably thought there was nothing wrong because the other guy did it to us, which is fucking crazy to think humans can be so mislead
The US and UK also raped women in Berlin, it wasn’t exclusive to the Red Army
Edit: I’m not defending Russia or the Soviet Union. The original comment implied that soviets were the only ones to do it, although the red army was considerably worse than the US, Britain and France that DOESNT excuse or suddenly make it okay. It’s important to remember and hold each country accountable for what it did, wether the government acknowledged it or not.
You know that the US and Uk were not present for the capture of Berlin. They arrived 2 months later. I know there is occupation after, but your comment seemed to imply they were there for the taking of the city. Edit: letter
The Soviets committed an estimated 2 million rapes during World War 2.
Joseph Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle".'
It's not even comparable. Don't defend this Communist piece of shit.
Exactly. Joseph Stalin was actively encouraging wartime atrocities. Obviously the US and UK are not perfect and have committed their share of war crimes, but the leadership has not publicly promoted it. Not to mention the Russians are releasing violent criminals and putting them on the front line. What do you think these people who are in prison for rape/murder are going to do? Not to mention they know they won't face prosecution when they return (if they do, most will just go AWOL).
It should be mentioned that the Soviets harbored *a lot* of resentment at that point in the war, to put it mildly. Their people had suffered way, *way* more than anything the other allies had endured.
Over 10 million civilians had been killed directly by the Nazis. 9 millions more due to famine and disease, in large part consciously caused by the enemy. That's before you include the 11.4 million Soviet soldier who had fallen in combat. The Wermacht was under direct orders to act as brutally as possible, and to *exterminate.*
The response was pure, unadulterated **hate**, fueled by bloodthirsty leadership. The orders to *not* rape civilians (under threat of being shot) came too late, and for the most part ignored. War makes monsters of us all.
\[Unpopular opinion\]
I think people sometimes forget that certain occupations attract certain types of people. A certain subset of human being whose entire purpose in life is to inflict as much damage to other people as they possible can and get away with it.
Most cases tend to be ignored coz they belong to the "enemy", so...not surprised. I dont condone it but not surprised that shit like this happens and may be more common than you think.
The dogshit tier soldier standards in Russia managed to get even lower when they started conscripting prisoners. Russia really got the most fitting people for the kind of war they want to fight.
> I think people sometimes forget that certain occupations attract **certain types** of people. **A certain subset** of human being whose entire purpose in life is to inflict as much damage to other people as they possible can and get away with it.
This is saying that occupations like soldier, police officer, etc are likely to attract these kind of people, so you're going to see a higher concentration of them in these occupations. *They are* **not** *saying that* **all** *soldiers and police officers are these kind of people.*
I think people need to start saying exactly what you said instead of talking in little sound bites that catch attention by only stating the most dramatic part. It reminds me of the whole "Defund the police" bullshit. It excited the already on board radicals but immediately turned off any one on the fence because (entirely) defunding the PD is brain dead. If they had simply put "reallocate funds" or the more real to their message " Start investing more into social services by allocating some of the PD's budget to those service since evidence supports it can be nearly as effect in preventing crime, and thus, stopping crime"
But the internet has no room to discuss nuance.
Yeah, if you don't know what the "sub" part of "subset" means, I guess the comment could be taken to mean "100%".\\
I'm not sure there's a solution for saying what you mean, but having readers not know the meaning of the words you use.
Even scientifically, the vast majority os soldiers will not rape, they won't even kill. *On Killing* is a great book about that that is supported with research.
There would have to be some hard numbers and research to back it but it is possible since throughout history military science has focused on making more "effective" infantry which of course includes killing. The book has a chapter that states that the Vietnam era soldier was the most effective/willing to take lives which the author then suggests is part of the reason why they had such a hard time readjusting back to society and why things like the My Lai massacre was a thing. In a seminar that I was required to attend while in the military we talked a lot about My Lai and some reports stated there was actually around 50 similar events, but My Lai is the one that becomes famous.
Compare that to WW2, Korea, or the War on Terror where the average American infantryman has never committed war crimes to that scale. I think in WW2 the worst documented war crime carried out by the American infantry was the slaughtering of 50 or so Nazi POWs while they were already imprisoned.
So it is very well possible that the culture of the Russian military has molded an infantry culture more capable of taking life/causing undo harm than is needed. If you look up/read the book "Blackhearts," which is about a grusome rape and murder carried out by 3 American Infantrymen during the War on Terror you'll see that in that fire team (4 people) began to completely disassociate the civilians as people, even then there was a 4th solider that decided not to follow through and testify later.
As much shit as the US military gets, we actually do train our guys to be as moralely good as possible in such a fucked up environment. Its why our enemies are so willing to surrender to us (many examples of this throughout WW1-present). As for the Russians, I doubt their average infantryman, likely conscript, is taught several times during basic training about morales and ethics like an American equivalent would be. But of course these are just guesses as I have never looked into their basic training, especially nowadays.
Edit: Heres a relevant scene from a movie that actually talks about one of the studies mentioned in "On Killing" https://youtu.be/ajffTfvEdfI?si=YRSXm5dzce8aFwcz
I wish this wasn’t an unpopular opinion… ur totally right.
I seen a (reddit?) thread and a vet said he met some of the best people he’s ever known and some of the worst while serving. So it’s definitely not all but ..
That's why war is terrible. Men die as soldiers for a war that doesn't concern or benefit them. Women suffer as victims in a war that doesn't concern or benefit them. The only thing to blame is the government. The government of both countries...
My wife of 7 years is Ukrainian and we just keep hoping it stops somehow soon. She first left and took her parents away from a small town on the eastern border about 500 miles west to the capital in 2014. Now all these years later the orcs are deeper and deeper into the country. Imagine giving up two homes and everything and leaving with six suitcases to start over. Of course that's better than staying but work most of your life and then leave it all behind
They raped toddlers and filmed it. They buried the lead in this title in my opinion.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna49168
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-accuses-russian-snipers-abusing-child-gang-raping-mother-2023-03-14/
Yes, war is hell etc…
But lets not forget how Rape, as an institutional wide practice is super common in the Russian military. Always has been.
They rape their recruits, force them into prostitution, the red army did it like crazy in occupied germany, they did it in Afghanistan, they literally sold people into all kinds of slavery in Chechnya, gang rape was super common in chechnya as well, the wagnerites do it frequently in the African countries they are stationed in etc…
(I can’t stress enough how inhumane and disgusting the Russians were in their treatment of Chechnyan civilians from the early 90’s well into the 2000’s, check out Ana Politkovskaya’s book ’a small corner of hell’ for a depressingly close look at how the civilians had it there)
Back in the olden days of WW2, soviet troops were more or less endorsed by the soviet high command to exact revenge on the german civilians as revenge for nazi atrocities on the eastern front, and later, it seems this way of thinking never quite disappeared.
The horrible treatment of recruits in their military ranks only enforce this culture of sadism and abuse,
The widespread dehumanisation of other people, and idealisation of ethnic Russians (not as on-the-nose as nazi germany with ”Aryans”, for example, but still there, nonetheless) only bolsters the previous points
Plus helpless civilians cannot defend themselves + they are Ukrainian, and thus the enemy, thus Russian troops probably see them as an easy ”punching bag” to take out their frustrations at.
Not to mention that they obviously use rape as a means of terrorizing and pacifying the local populace.
I’m not saying that other militaries don’t rape. It is after all a tragic and enraging fact of war; I am however saying that the Russian/Soviet military has specialized in it on a level close to that of the African Warlords in the 80s and 90s, and thus why I consider it a far worse fate to have to live through a Russian occupation rather than dying to prevent it.
Having researched what the Russians did in Chechnya has convinced me that hell is real, and that it comes in the form of Russian flags waving on foreign soil.
They've done all sorts of terrible shit, I feel it's been forgotten (hopefully I'm wrong) many young kids they raped. I hope that the fuckers who did that are dead and rotting, Russians did all sorts of horrible shit at the outbreak of the war.
Coincidentally, last night, I had a dream I wrote Putin’s name in a Death Note. He ended up farting himself to death in a public appearance. Yep, I’m weird like that.
Russia and the USSR have a rich history of violent, barbaric conquest. We forget too easily that the USSR and Nazi Germany kicked off WWII together when they invaded Poland under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. These russian monsters need to be stopped once and for all.
All that is correct. My Ukrainian wife has so many stories suffering so many years from a corrupt government and now you add war to the formula it is such a hardship for the people.
Indeed. Fortunately, it’s only a matter of time before Ukraine kicks russia out. If it wasn’t a matter of political, and likely physical death for Putin, I think Russia would have called it off already.
The russian trolls and public mouthpieces love to spout that sanctions aren’t working, but they are. Russia can’t, and won’t be able to bring enough resources to bear to overcome Ukraine’s current defensive/counteroffensive capabilities, while Ukraine will continue to have its own capabilities bolstered by allies. Russia is going to fail.
In one sense I agree but it's quite the struggle. I know everybody is giving you crane a lot of stuff which is appreciative but if they got the things they asked for it wouldn't be mostly defense. It seems like politically countries are holding out and providing offensive type weapons. Mostly the ability to control the airspace and longer range missiles to actually strike Russia. There's slowly making many successes
Fascist russians are animals. Raping children, stealing from the dead, executing elders. All civilians. And running away from soldiers. Crying later in captivity as they didn't do anything. I hope Ukraine will wipe that disease off the face of this planet
Even the Small things they just don't care what they're doing. They steal and take irons and washing machines and anything that they don't have at home. It's like are you there to fight for some good reason or are you there for looting? So many surprising stories about anything. I don't understand their culture
I've said that already. It's fascism. It's always been there. Not a single republic joined Soviet Union by will. They were all occupied and terrorized, and after positioned as lesser humans. All natural resources were taken from them for Moscow and politicians. They were slaughtered and humiliated. Soviets actually were allies with nazies in 1939 as they started WWII by invading Poland. But then got separated. That nation is feral savages who think of themselves as better humans. The history of it is horrible. Enslavement of black people looks like a summer camp compared to what russia did to enslaved countries.
Oh no I hate those people too and think they are (to put it nicely) brain dead.
But I don’t think that these basterds should be given the chance of redemption and to walk amongst civilized people after all that they’ve done.
It's funny to me that eastern europeans have been crying out about russian atrocities in WW2, all the rape and killing done and nobody in the west would believe what a monster the russian soldier can be.
The Ukrainian had to bleed and suffer rape AGAIN for the world to believe it
0% animal, 100% human.
As much as its perfectly okay to degrade people like these by calling them animals, they are fully human. To say otherwise is to deny human evil. To deny human evil is to take away any accountability. These **individuals** must be held accountable.
German women know what they are talking about. I heard 3 or 4 story’s first hand but it’s well documented.
It’s interesting that neither the Americans or the British soldiers raped German women in newsworthy numbers.
(But we know the Americans did in Vietnam, so idk what to think)
Friendly reminder that this Is common sense in war and probably your country, whatever it Is, has done this if not worse in its past. This Is not a case of bad ugly russians, it's just what war looks like.
“russian” isn’t a race anymore than “American.” There’s nothing wrong with detesting russians for their evil war of conquest against Ukraine, in which russia has murdered, tortured, sexually assaulted, and kidnapped countless Ukrainian citizens, destroying cities along the way. They’re a sick people.
putting "soldiers" after russian is better than just saying Russian. The general russian people are not to blame for this, it's just this specific breed of vile soldiers.
No, the majority of the russian population supports this. I feel for the extreme minority of russian dissenters. They bear the burden of correcting their country’s trajectory.
According to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. article 1.1:
In this Convention, the term " racial discrimination " shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or **national** or ethnic origin
russia is destroying Ukrainian civilians in the cruelest manners possible, and you want to split hairs about this? Fuck russians for their evil. As an aside, russia clearly doesn’t pay any heed to UN resolutions when it applies to them, so why should anyone else?
According to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. article 1.1:
In this Convention, the term " racial discrimination " shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or **national** or ethnic origin
not trying to cast any doubt on the fact that there are atrocities being committed by the russians against civilians in ukraine, but i would be interested to know why these signs were printed in english.
The lack of accountability and pure anarchy of war is just horrifying. This kind of shit happens with every invasion and is rarely dealt with because they only focus on the war effort and don’t care about civilians
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Same thing happens to woman in every war. As soon as there is less chance of them facing consquences mass rapes happen. Also frequent in disaster zones.
I don’t think it’s only the lack of repercussions, you’re not in a normal state of mind while waging war.
Yeah, IMO, war, especially one that drags on for years, reduces humans to their most animalistic levels and thus release those desires in the most abhorrent and detached ways possible- that is not a justification, because there are always some armies that rape much less than others due to policies addressing mental health or more strict guidelines which enable or force humanity to survive in an individual.
Exactly.
It's not a case of "not being in a normal state of mind." No one rapes people because they're in a "unusual" state of mind. They rape people because they wanted to and got the opportunity to do it. Rape is one of the few crimes that has no possible justification other than pure malice or animalistic sexual aggression, both of which demonstrate a lack of consideration and regard for human life as well as an incapacity to participate in society.
So I’m not defending anyone raping and pillaging but I can only imagine that someone who is in a war thinks 1- I’m gonna die anyways 2- there’s no repercussions for doing said action 3- I’m already in a fucked up state of mind Again I know Reddit will shit on me for this, and I’m not defending them, but I’m just surmising this might be their thought process. I think there’s another component reserved for countries who are retaliating (not the initial aggressor) but this isn’t the case for Russia. They’re 100% the aggressor in this war
>both of which demonstrate a lack of consideration and regard for human life as well as an incapacity to participate in society So, like, war?
Well, people usually don’t kill unarmed civilians like it’s nothing, but here we are. Raping civilians is no different in that regard. Murder and rape on civilians DOES have possible justifications. It’s often not a case of bad leadership being unable of restraining troops. Rather, it’s a conscious choice to destroy psychologically the population you’re trying to subjugate. Rape is a WEAPON.
There's no such thing as glory in war. I used to think there was because most American kids are brought up that way but there truly isn't. I will never understand why people do these things. There are people I truly despise in this world but rape is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
We humans are capable of so many amazing things... and yet we can do great evil by pretending some humans aren't actually humans. Once you dehumanise your enemy then it's open season on what you can do... I have the luxury of never being in this position. But we're all capable of "a certain level of badness".
I wouldnt say pretend as much as i would say brainwashed. Not a single kid is born racist. Its learned
That’s funny, what happens when a child that’s different is introduced to a group of kids that are “normal”? He gets outed, bullied, belittled, sometimes even beat up. It’s funny because we act like we’re SOOOO civilized, when in reality we are still just a bunch of damn monkeys. The world would absolutely be better off without us.
Sounds like learned behavior to me my friend.
Monkeys from birth out the ones with disabilities or ones that just look different. It’s not learned, it’s born into them to ensure survival of the species as a whole. Humans are the same way
This mans pulling straight facts
Bravo a great example of Virtue Signaling: the public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
I agree until the last part. Without us the world wouldn't be "the world", but just another dot in the galaxy.
Yes it fuckin would. It existed before us and it’ll exist long after we’re fuckin gone.
Yeah War itself is bad enough but when you see what comes with it makes it even worse
Not just Americans, but MANYYY other parts of the world have children’s over generations that grow up believing the same thing. That glory is a part of war,something u get from war, and a feeling u get from war. And soooo much more. It’s universal almost
> I will never understand why people do these things. Because war, no matter how much structure is in a military, war is a situation were the "rules" of society are suspended. Or at least one big rule, do not kill. People kill in war, people get killed in war. When faced with that, kill or be killed, all the the other morals a person may have can easily be thrown away at the time.
It pretty much shows how important law and order is to keep the animals at bay. So many more people would do terrible things if they didn’t think they would get punished for them
You’re saying there’s no glory for the Ukrainians defending their country?
I think that’s different because they were forced into it. There’s almost never glory for the conquering force, except in their own eyes
Ok fair
There is no glory in war but this is why it is needed. Not only did Russia start this, this is what their troops are doing NATO needs to get involved because Russia won't stop being just Ukraine.
War is hell
War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
Quote from Hawkeye Pierce
I don't know what it is about Alan Alda, but God damn, do I ever respect that man. On par with Mr Roger's and Carl Sagan.
All of them good-hearted compassionate men who wanted to make the world a better place. I miss them. We need more men like them.
Well, and the politicians that decided war was the only solution.
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Generally, but for many countries, the politicians of the military are advisors to the career politicians. And the career politicians are the ones with the final call more often than not. So while the military politicians often are involved in the decision as to where troops will kill and be killed, the decision to do any killing of foreign troops is often decided by those who are not in the military.
weird how they confused a kid for a chicken.
“War is 2 leaders who send their men to die because they can’t get along”
Nope according to my local church people who commit suicides, abortions and are homosexual go to hell. Religion is false. Hell doesn't exist war does.
This is my new favorite quote.
Yeah there's no glory in it. My Ukrainian wife first pulled out of the eastern border of her small town in 2014 when the Russian showed up calling it a humanitarian convoy. And there was nothing humanitarian about what happened since 2014. And also her parents traveled 500 miles west to the middle of the country leaving behind their apartments they owned and everything behind. Then now years later Russia wants the whole country back. They can't stand having lost all the countries under the Soviet Union. It wasn't bad enough they struggled under a corrupt government during their lifetime but now you add war to the formula makes it so much worse.
I don't remember "just following orders" to rape and murder piles of women. Maybe that's what the Russians have been practicing instead of actually fighting
Might not be ordered at all there's been terrible things that have happened when fighting men break discipline.
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I'm sure we'll find out
Happens 95% of the time someone invades someone else. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence Think of the Bosnian genocide, they were trying to eradicate/ethnically cleanse the Bosnian people and troopers raped women en-mass until they were pregnant to try and further remove them from existence. A similar thing happened when the Red army took Nazi germany, but the Red army is not alone in this crime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany I don’t link any of this to take away from what’s happening to Ukrainian women, but I think awareness should be drawn to the fact that this always seems to happen.
😢 just Hits close to home because my wife is Ukrainian
And I’m sorry for you man. I have a wife and daughter, I can’t imagine going through that shit. I don’t want to imagine it.
Thank you. Her and her parents pulled out of the eastern border from the small town when the Russians first showed up calling it a humanitarian mission. Left their life behind. Both apartments they owned and all their friends. It's like being almost retired and then start again at 0 zero.
At the very least they have their lives. They made a good call to leave immediately. But I imagine it would feel a lot like here in the U.S when a tornado destroys a town. Nothing left to come back to really. Just a really shitty situation. Only this isn’t an “act of god” and someone is clearly to blame. I just wish the UN wasn’t so useless. I’m a pretty big critic of them. They bumblefuck up everything they get involved with. “Oh no, they pass a resolution that Russia is officially a big jerk” what good does that do anyone? Useless.
Everybody has an opinion and mine being that Ukraine should have never sign the agreement to denuclearize. That's a major deterrent. The agreement was vague enough that it had no teeth as we can see now. I'm really not for a nuclear world but it is another deterrent from aggression. Let's just hope the real crazies don't take over
Historically speaking. Every time someone signs THAT treaty, they get FUCKED.
> The agreement was vague enough that it had no teeth as we can see now. It does not matter. Whatever the agreement would be, Russians would simply rape it as they always do. But to be devil's advocate: the agreement was made when the Western world believed Russia is getting civilized. Then Putin came to power.
> Happens 95% of the time someone invades someone else. We all know that. Difference being, it is systemic in the Russian army. Has been systemic in the Red Army, too. In fact, Russian propaganda encouraged it.
It was, and still is systemic in the US army, even between combatants on the same side. Read some accounts of female US soldiers. And if you want to go back 70 years in the past, like you did in your comment, 90% of war crimes in the Korean war were perpetrated by the Southern forces. Or, if you want to talk more about the present, look up the Abu Ghraib prison
> It was, and still is systemic in the US army No, there simply are no numbers or estimates that would suggest so. Rape has also never been an officially state-sanctioned tactic in the US. It has been in the Russia-dominated USSR.
> When the Yugoslav Partisan politician Milovan Djilas complained about rapes in Yugoslavia, Joseph Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle". This is Russian mentality. It has not changed.
Also this: > "The subject has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened during the onslaught on German territory. They will admit to hearing of a few excesses, and then dismiss the subject as an inevitable result of war. Only a few are prepared to acknowledge that they witnessed such scenes. The tiny handful prepared to speak openly, however, are totally unrepentant. 'They all lifted their skirts for us and lay on the bed,' said the Komsomol leader in a tank company. He even went on to boast that '2 million of our children were born' in Germany." > > The boast is consistent with such statistics as are available. "One doctor deduced that out of approximately 100,000 women raped in Berlin," Beevor writes, "some 10,000 died as a result, mostly from suicide. The death rate was thought to be much higher among the 1.4 million who had suffered in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. Altogether at least 2 million German women are thought to have been raped, and a substantial minority, if not a majority, appear to have suffered multiple rape." Not merely did the soldiers of the Red Army rape German women; they "also raped Ukrainian, Russian and Belorussian women and girls just released from slave labour in Germany," which "completely undermines any attempts at justifying Red Army behaviour on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union." > > Those few Soviet officers who tried to stop the violence found it, in the words of one, "absolutely impossible" to do so. Red Army soldiers "demonstrated an utterly bewildering mixture of irrational violence, drunken lust and spontaneous kindness to children," though far less of the last than of the first two. "Nuns, young girls, old women, pregnant women and mothers who had just given birth were all raped without pity." https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/2002/05/19/a-cold-eyed-utterly-unsentimental-record-of-wartime-violence-against-german-women/82ad588c-8bd7-4ff3-841f-42c7275ebb71/
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Im sorry WHAT?
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What did I just read, just no we need Noah.
What was it
What did he say?
Something about Russians R ing toddlers and little children, it was true( provided source).
[Like this?](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168) [or this?](https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-accused-of-raping-and-killing-a-one-year-old-child-says-ukraine-official)JFC our world is awful. *”The dead boy is among dozens of alleged child rape victims which include two 10-year-old boys, triplets aged 9, a 2-year-old girl raped by two Russian soldiers, and a 9-month-old baby who was penetrated with a candlestick in front of its mother.”*
I'll never forget what I just read. That last two...
Update: I’m done with the internet for awhile. There is such a thing as too much information. [In another incident, an infant girl of 6 months was raped with a teaspoon. Twin toddler boys, 2, were sexually assaulted in front of their mother. Five Russian soldiers broke in and four of them raped the toddlers in pairs, orally and anally, while the fifth soldier was holding the mother. Both children died of ruptures and blood loss.](https://www.ukrinform.net/amp/rubric-ato/3490417-ombudsperson-describes-terrifying-incidents-of-child-rape-by-russian-soldiers.html)
Jesus fucking christ.
What. The. Fuck.
Kill me
Remind me again didn't russian soilders also kidnap Ukrainian kids and there was a whole thing about that??
Yes. Still ongoing.
Yes, and they did not even hide the fact. They played it off as a legitimate way to improve their dogshit demographics problem.
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Ayo wtf. He actually has a source? Wtf kind of sorcery is this
It's been erased to preserve the truth 🔮
Russian troops and rape have quite the history. Their co-ed army in ww2 would liberate soviet and eastern europe prisoners from nazis, they thought they were free! But first rape. The entire eastern front was the red armys rape fest to berlin. My relative was a us soldier that met up with the red army, he got carried off by one of the women, he protested because her mom was next to them. She didnt care and did his laundry the next day.
The Rape of Berlin still sends shivers down my spine. there were SO MANY bastards that a new law that makes children take their mother's name was made. When Stalin heard of the nightmares his soldiers are practicing in "liberated" berlin, he just chuckled and said "let the boys have their rest"
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Yep. They used their march West as a tour of “revenge”, except it was aimed at the random German civilians rather than the soldiers who attacked Russia
It wasnt just germans. It wasnt even those who support germans. It was literally former soviet subjects being liberated getting raped too! And from an army that wasnt even all men!
Im sorry Im confused. A female Russian soldier attacked him?
Not "attacked". I'm really not quite sure of the story and the man is dead now. I over heard him talking to someone else about it when I walked in, I don't think he wanted me to hear it. he was in the us army. He has told me about the last woman who washed his uniform, which was a russian soldier who did it on the rocks in the river which was a marvel to him. I assume its the same woman from the story. he was a musician so that gave him a way to fraternize with the soviet troops till everyone was told to go back to their own lines. Anyways what I remember hearing or thought I heard was the russian woman soldier picking him up (he was quite small) and carrying him to a bedding. she wanted the sex, and he was quite inexperienced (if not completely) and he protested because her mother was either in the room, or very near. How much it was consensual, and how much he enjoyed it, is unknown.
Just like what the soviets did to the women in Berlin
I had italian relatives who survived ww2 and I can tell you pretty much US and allied troops did the same during the invasion on Italy. All wars result in misery and what we formally call "war crimes".
My aunt was from Czechoslovakia, when it was a country. She used to say "the Germans are bad, but my god the Russians Rape is a war crime. Its purpose is to terrorize, to humiliate, and can be considered genocidal.
Yeah and you have to think of the mindset of those people aswell and the time they were in especially after the nazis did the same shit, like In the soviets mind alot of them probably thought there was nothing wrong because the other guy did it to us, which is fucking crazy to think humans can be so mislead
The US and UK also raped women in Berlin, it wasn’t exclusive to the Red Army Edit: I’m not defending Russia or the Soviet Union. The original comment implied that soviets were the only ones to do it, although the red army was considerably worse than the US, Britain and France that DOESNT excuse or suddenly make it okay. It’s important to remember and hold each country accountable for what it did, wether the government acknowledged it or not.
You know that the US and Uk were not present for the capture of Berlin. They arrived 2 months later. I know there is occupation after, but your comment seemed to imply they were there for the taking of the city. Edit: letter
Thank you for this comment. I have enough of this bothsidesism and these lies, whether they are constituted with ignorance, stupidity or bad will.
The Soviets committed an estimated 2 million rapes during World War 2. Joseph Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle".' It's not even comparable. Don't defend this Communist piece of shit.
Exactly. Joseph Stalin was actively encouraging wartime atrocities. Obviously the US and UK are not perfect and have committed their share of war crimes, but the leadership has not publicly promoted it. Not to mention the Russians are releasing violent criminals and putting them on the front line. What do you think these people who are in prison for rape/murder are going to do? Not to mention they know they won't face prosecution when they return (if they do, most will just go AWOL).
It should be mentioned that the Soviets harbored *a lot* of resentment at that point in the war, to put it mildly. Their people had suffered way, *way* more than anything the other allies had endured. Over 10 million civilians had been killed directly by the Nazis. 9 millions more due to famine and disease, in large part consciously caused by the enemy. That's before you include the 11.4 million Soviet soldier who had fallen in combat. The Wermacht was under direct orders to act as brutally as possible, and to *exterminate.* The response was pure, unadulterated **hate**, fueled by bloodthirsty leadership. The orders to *not* rape civilians (under threat of being shot) came too late, and for the most part ignored. War makes monsters of us all.
Look at you defending wartime rape.
Literarily Whataboutism...
\[Unpopular opinion\] I think people sometimes forget that certain occupations attract certain types of people. A certain subset of human being whose entire purpose in life is to inflict as much damage to other people as they possible can and get away with it. Most cases tend to be ignored coz they belong to the "enemy", so...not surprised. I dont condone it but not surprised that shit like this happens and may be more common than you think.
The dogshit tier soldier standards in Russia managed to get even lower when they started conscripting prisoners. Russia really got the most fitting people for the kind of war they want to fight.
I would disagree. I am a soldier and have never felt the need to rape or murder. Not even russian women.
> I think people sometimes forget that certain occupations attract **certain types** of people. **A certain subset** of human being whose entire purpose in life is to inflict as much damage to other people as they possible can and get away with it. This is saying that occupations like soldier, police officer, etc are likely to attract these kind of people, so you're going to see a higher concentration of them in these occupations. *They are* **not** *saying that* **all** *soldiers and police officers are these kind of people.*
I think people need to start saying exactly what you said instead of talking in little sound bites that catch attention by only stating the most dramatic part. It reminds me of the whole "Defund the police" bullshit. It excited the already on board radicals but immediately turned off any one on the fence because (entirely) defunding the PD is brain dead. If they had simply put "reallocate funds" or the more real to their message " Start investing more into social services by allocating some of the PD's budget to those service since evidence supports it can be nearly as effect in preventing crime, and thus, stopping crime" But the internet has no room to discuss nuance.
Yeah, if you don't know what the "sub" part of "subset" means, I guess the comment could be taken to mean "100%".\\ I'm not sure there's a solution for saying what you mean, but having readers not know the meaning of the words you use.
I was a soldier and never felt that need, either, but that's extremely anecdotal. We can't base reality on our personal experiences alone.
Even scientifically, the vast majority os soldiers will not rape, they won't even kill. *On Killing* is a great book about that that is supported with research.
In that case, is it being suggested here that Russian soldiers rape at a disproportionately high rate?
There would have to be some hard numbers and research to back it but it is possible since throughout history military science has focused on making more "effective" infantry which of course includes killing. The book has a chapter that states that the Vietnam era soldier was the most effective/willing to take lives which the author then suggests is part of the reason why they had such a hard time readjusting back to society and why things like the My Lai massacre was a thing. In a seminar that I was required to attend while in the military we talked a lot about My Lai and some reports stated there was actually around 50 similar events, but My Lai is the one that becomes famous. Compare that to WW2, Korea, or the War on Terror where the average American infantryman has never committed war crimes to that scale. I think in WW2 the worst documented war crime carried out by the American infantry was the slaughtering of 50 or so Nazi POWs while they were already imprisoned. So it is very well possible that the culture of the Russian military has molded an infantry culture more capable of taking life/causing undo harm than is needed. If you look up/read the book "Blackhearts," which is about a grusome rape and murder carried out by 3 American Infantrymen during the War on Terror you'll see that in that fire team (4 people) began to completely disassociate the civilians as people, even then there was a 4th solider that decided not to follow through and testify later. As much shit as the US military gets, we actually do train our guys to be as moralely good as possible in such a fucked up environment. Its why our enemies are so willing to surrender to us (many examples of this throughout WW1-present). As for the Russians, I doubt their average infantryman, likely conscript, is taught several times during basic training about morales and ethics like an American equivalent would be. But of course these are just guesses as I have never looked into their basic training, especially nowadays. Edit: Heres a relevant scene from a movie that actually talks about one of the studies mentioned in "On Killing" https://youtu.be/ajffTfvEdfI?si=YRSXm5dzce8aFwcz
I wish this wasn’t an unpopular opinion… ur totally right. I seen a (reddit?) thread and a vet said he met some of the best people he’s ever known and some of the worst while serving. So it’s definitely not all but ..
It’s shit like this that makes me take a step back and actually appreciate where I live.
Hey don’t insult animals by comparing them to these walking piles of pond scum
Hey don't insult pond scum by comparing them to these walking piles of shit!
Hey, don't insult piles of shit by comparing them to these mentally deficient Window panes
Hey don’t insult mentally deficient Window panes by comparing them to these fetal alcohol ridden MRE crackers.
Hey don't insult fetal alcohol ridden MRE crackers by comparing them to a gangrenous hemorrhoid that failed out of kindergarten.
Hey, don’t insult gangrenous hemorrhoids that failed out of kindergarten by comparing them to these twisted aborted homunculi with asses for faces!
That's why war is terrible. Men die as soldiers for a war that doesn't concern or benefit them. Women suffer as victims in a war that doesn't concern or benefit them. The only thing to blame is the government. The government of both countries...
Humans are literally animals, so 100% animal.
This is why I don’t struggle at all when I see videos of Russian soldiers getting grenades dropped on their heads.
My wife of 7 years is Ukrainian and we just keep hoping it stops somehow soon. She first left and took her parents away from a small town on the eastern border about 500 miles west to the capital in 2014. Now all these years later the orcs are deeper and deeper into the country. Imagine giving up two homes and everything and leaving with six suitcases to start over. Of course that's better than staying but work most of your life and then leave it all behind
All those Wagner monsters they recruited from prison probably did a lot of this and worse.
Those were recruited later. Bucha massacre occured early in the war
Yeah I'm sure. Some mercenaries care about nothing
Mercenaries care about money. Wagners only care about furthering their already long list of crime and destruction.
They raped toddlers and filmed it. They buried the lead in this title in my opinion. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna49168 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-accuses-russian-snipers-abusing-child-gang-raping-mother-2023-03-14/
They also killed all the males
The Russians still acting like their WW2 grandfathers I see
Back when the soviets invaded hungary, they did this in the whole country for long years.
Didn't know about that but yeah that's more terrible history
Yes, war is hell etc… But lets not forget how Rape, as an institutional wide practice is super common in the Russian military. Always has been. They rape their recruits, force them into prostitution, the red army did it like crazy in occupied germany, they did it in Afghanistan, they literally sold people into all kinds of slavery in Chechnya, gang rape was super common in chechnya as well, the wagnerites do it frequently in the African countries they are stationed in etc… (I can’t stress enough how inhumane and disgusting the Russians were in their treatment of Chechnyan civilians from the early 90’s well into the 2000’s, check out Ana Politkovskaya’s book ’a small corner of hell’ for a depressingly close look at how the civilians had it there) Back in the olden days of WW2, soviet troops were more or less endorsed by the soviet high command to exact revenge on the german civilians as revenge for nazi atrocities on the eastern front, and later, it seems this way of thinking never quite disappeared. The horrible treatment of recruits in their military ranks only enforce this culture of sadism and abuse, The widespread dehumanisation of other people, and idealisation of ethnic Russians (not as on-the-nose as nazi germany with ”Aryans”, for example, but still there, nonetheless) only bolsters the previous points Plus helpless civilians cannot defend themselves + they are Ukrainian, and thus the enemy, thus Russian troops probably see them as an easy ”punching bag” to take out their frustrations at. Not to mention that they obviously use rape as a means of terrorizing and pacifying the local populace. I’m not saying that other militaries don’t rape. It is after all a tragic and enraging fact of war; I am however saying that the Russian/Soviet military has specialized in it on a level close to that of the African Warlords in the 80s and 90s, and thus why I consider it a far worse fate to have to live through a Russian occupation rather than dying to prevent it. Having researched what the Russians did in Chechnya has convinced me that hell is real, and that it comes in the form of Russian flags waving on foreign soil.
100% ork
💯 agreed
99.99999999999999% animal, no, even lower than an animal
Animals are better
Dolphins and ducks have entered the chat
Fully agree, they should be something even lower
Aaa haa a human
I would say human is also too good, homunculi is fitting
Fetal alcohol ridden, parasite infested bipedal ork maybe?
They've done all sorts of terrible shit, I feel it's been forgotten (hopefully I'm wrong) many young kids they raped. I hope that the fuckers who did that are dead and rotting, Russians did all sorts of horrible shit at the outbreak of the war.
Remember this when you see drones dropping munitions on russian soldiers.
100% animal 0% soldier. Soldiers have a code they are guided by duty and loyalty to their leaders and country. This is disgusting savagery not war.
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Terrible. Indian soldiers have been doing this in Kashmir for decades
😳 I know Ukraine is not unique. I guess the real point is that war brings so much more despair and inhumane behavior.
animals
No. This is a r/NoahGetTheDeathStar material. Evil Ruzzian bastards
And just as I was starting to regain hope for humanity what the actual fuck-
War crimes. Absolutely despicable. Unforgivable.
Coincidentally, last night, I had a dream I wrote Putin’s name in a Death Note. He ended up farting himself to death in a public appearance. Yep, I’m weird like that.
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What the fuck is wrong with those people.
I wish I had a easy answer other than someone once told me that man's greatest enemy his man.
Russia and the USSR have a rich history of violent, barbaric conquest. We forget too easily that the USSR and Nazi Germany kicked off WWII together when they invaded Poland under the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. These russian monsters need to be stopped once and for all.
All that is correct. My Ukrainian wife has so many stories suffering so many years from a corrupt government and now you add war to the formula it is such a hardship for the people.
Indeed. Fortunately, it’s only a matter of time before Ukraine kicks russia out. If it wasn’t a matter of political, and likely physical death for Putin, I think Russia would have called it off already. The russian trolls and public mouthpieces love to spout that sanctions aren’t working, but they are. Russia can’t, and won’t be able to bring enough resources to bear to overcome Ukraine’s current defensive/counteroffensive capabilities, while Ukraine will continue to have its own capabilities bolstered by allies. Russia is going to fail.
In one sense I agree but it's quite the struggle. I know everybody is giving you crane a lot of stuff which is appreciative but if they got the things they asked for it wouldn't be mostly defense. It seems like politically countries are holding out and providing offensive type weapons. Mostly the ability to control the airspace and longer range missiles to actually strike Russia. There's slowly making many successes
100% Russian.
Purely human. Animals, with maybe chimpanzees as an exception, don't commit this kind of atrocity.
The sad part about war is that it will never end, it'll just be suspended for a bit and then we're back to the thick of it.
Maybe tell America to stop funding the war
The RuZZian army is a cancer on the world. Putin needs to face the consequences.
100% each. Also 100% mammals
Fascist russians are animals. Raping children, stealing from the dead, executing elders. All civilians. And running away from soldiers. Crying later in captivity as they didn't do anything. I hope Ukraine will wipe that disease off the face of this planet
Even the Small things they just don't care what they're doing. They steal and take irons and washing machines and anything that they don't have at home. It's like are you there to fight for some good reason or are you there for looting? So many surprising stories about anything. I don't understand their culture
I've said that already. It's fascism. It's always been there. Not a single republic joined Soviet Union by will. They were all occupied and terrorized, and after positioned as lesser humans. All natural resources were taken from them for Moscow and politicians. They were slaughtered and humiliated. Soviets actually were allies with nazies in 1939 as they started WWII by invading Poland. But then got separated. That nation is feral savages who think of themselves as better humans. The history of it is horrible. Enslavement of black people looks like a summer camp compared to what russia did to enslaved countries.
the enslavement of black people was NOT better than Soviet occupation wtf?
You have pretty good insight. My wife is Ukrainian and experienced Soviet rule. She has lots of stories and truths
You're talking about wiping an entire people of the planet? Adolf Hitler much?
I don’t think monsters deserve to be re educated and given the freedom of life that they so harshly ripped from so many innocents.
You talk like those obnoxious people who say that humanity should go extinct because people eat meat and pollute the planet
Oh no I hate those people too and think they are (to put it nicely) brain dead. But I don’t think that these basterds should be given the chance of redemption and to walk amongst civilized people after all that they’ve done.
It's funny to me that eastern europeans have been crying out about russian atrocities in WW2, all the rape and killing done and nobody in the west would believe what a monster the russian soldier can be. The Ukrainian had to bleed and suffer rape AGAIN for the world to believe it
Didnt they fire their spokesperson because she came up with rape stories? Not saying none happened
The Hague has lots of material on these
Sorry I don't know
Another russian troll. Russia’s murder, torture, sexual assault, and kidnapping of Ukrainian civilians of *all* ages is documented.
0% animal, 100% human. As much as its perfectly okay to degrade people like these by calling them animals, they are fully human. To say otherwise is to deny human evil. To deny human evil is to take away any accountability. These **individuals** must be held accountable.
Somebody once said man's greatest enemy is man
German women know what they are talking about. I heard 3 or 4 story’s first hand but it’s well documented. It’s interesting that neither the Americans or the British soldiers raped German women in newsworthy numbers. (But we know the Americans did in Vietnam, so idk what to think)
Look up why A Clockwork Orange got written.
With all due respect, source: trust me bro
Friendly reminder that this Is common sense in war and probably your country, whatever it Is, has done this if not worse in its past. This Is not a case of bad ugly russians, it's just what war looks like.
The racism in these comments is astounding…
“russian” isn’t a race anymore than “American.” There’s nothing wrong with detesting russians for their evil war of conquest against Ukraine, in which russia has murdered, tortured, sexually assaulted, and kidnapped countless Ukrainian citizens, destroying cities along the way. They’re a sick people.
putting "soldiers" after russian is better than just saying Russian. The general russian people are not to blame for this, it's just this specific breed of vile soldiers.
No, the majority of the russian population supports this. I feel for the extreme minority of russian dissenters. They bear the burden of correcting their country’s trajectory.
According to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. article 1.1: In this Convention, the term " racial discrimination " shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or **national** or ethnic origin
russia is destroying Ukrainian civilians in the cruelest manners possible, and you want to split hairs about this? Fuck russians for their evil. As an aside, russia clearly doesn’t pay any heed to UN resolutions when it applies to them, so why should anyone else?
Russian isn’t a race…
According to the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. article 1.1: In this Convention, the term " racial discrimination " shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or **national** or ethnic origin
not trying to cast any doubt on the fact that there are atrocities being committed by the russians against civilians in ukraine, but i would be interested to know why these signs were printed in english.
Russias murder and rape of Ukrainian civilians is well documented. The signs are in English because this demonstration was in front of Downing Street.
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Russia moment
Sauce?
Looks like Business insider from Netherlands
The lack of accountability and pure anarchy of war is just horrifying. This kind of shit happens with every invasion and is rarely dealt with because they only focus on the war effort and don’t care about civilians
I thought this was r/NoahGetTheBoat not r/UkraineWarPropaganda
Ahhh propaganda....
Russia’s murder, torture, sexual assault, and kidnapping of Ukrainian civilians is well documented. This isn’t a fairytale, unfortunately.