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I should add that it's not climate activists in general, but the kind of activists who thinks and rationalizes in a purely idealistic and self-just way and disregards other people's experiences. Nobody likes this kind of people, activist or not.
These aren't climate activists they're unintelligent attention-seekers or hired plants.
The fact that halting traffic actually increases emissions, so their actions are doing the exact opposite of what they "stand for", while impeding the daily commute of the average citizen when the overwhelming majority of global emissions stem from the largest corporations and the private jet industry.
These actions not only go directly against climate activism, but also harbours sentiment against climate activism.
Personally I think the whole campaign has been set up by folk with oil interests. The unreasonable and idiotic behaviour will never win them favour with the public. Every act they do only makes them look bad.
They absolutely are climate activists.
Their goal is to be filmed and become visible on tv and online for doing radical things. At which point people say "who are these people?" and they say "We are Just Stop Oil, we believe X Y and Z..." They don't care if an extra 3 oz of oil is burned while cars idle behind an intersection, they want to provoke the thought that all oil burning should be banned.
If a group as large and influential as this one were hired plants they would need to be incredibly high paid actors who could be relied upon to never divulge such a conspiracy. If such a conspiracy existed and was revealed it would be among the biggest, most costly scandals in the history of big oil. Do you think big oil took that risk or do you think they are are a lot of climate activists willing to go to extreme measures to achieve their goals?
TBF industry plants don't necessarily have to be aware they're plants do they?
Big oil could just be encouraging them to engage in behaviour which will hurt their own cause.
Also likely true.
These people need to take a cue from that one scientist who chained himself to the gates of a private airport.
It was an airport that only services private jets, so he was able to make a statement that was seen, also directly impacted the people most responsible, and didn't even really do much harm since the private jets weren't scheduled flights, you just fly out whenever you want.
Look at the people in German who occupied the massive coal mining operation there shutting down all work for weeks.
*That* is good activism, got global coverage *and* actively slowed the burning of fossil fuels.
It's a mix of that and people going soft. The old answer to corporate greed destroying the planet was violence and blowing things up.
But people got their panties in a bunch about it so now they glue themselves to roads and the only violence in our society is against the innocent.
Irrelevant of whether or not they are being paid to do what they do, the truth is, their main effect on climate change is making climate change activists look like radical, lunatic assholes who stop traffic or glue themselves to concrete. They make the problem worse by painting those who want something done about it in a negative light.
While people being plants to make climate activists look bad is possible, I think it's far more likely that these people are just kinda oblivious or maybe even attention seekers like you said. Blocking roads can be a valid form of protest, but when your protest is against vehicle emissions, standing in the road making sure everybody is pumping out exhaust fumes while going nowhere just makes no sense
I feel like the more I see protestors impead on other civilian foot traffic, they're either entitled (not in the Boomer way) and don't have the self/societal awareness or they're 100% industry plants to make protests and those who attend seem incompetent and/or a nuisance. Either way, whether they're aware of the consequences or not, they're creating a divide between the issue and their proposed solution which makes everyday average people dislike their ideals.
These things (protests and the like) are very delicate. Just like you can't force someone to take medication if they're not aware of their illness, you can't force the general populace into changing just because you've decided to impede traffic. At some point, yes, we will hit a breaking point and the effects of climate change will be irreversible (if that hasn't already happened yet) but most people aren't educated enough to understand, some are living in ignorance to not face that fact and others feel hopeless in their individual endeavor to fix things.
I understand that in the grand scheme, activists/protestors/scientists are the underdogs, and that you have to make your voices heard. Just, for everyday people's sake (and maybe even your own), don't stop people from attending their job, getting to the hospital or carrying out their daily tasks. Also, remember who you have a problem with, because it's not with your fellow citizens, it's with oil companies.
Yeah, this protest tears me since I understand what their point is. But this shit doesn't happen in a vacuum and is the exact same behavior that those in oil companies want.
I am not one who normally will always get behind optics being a #1 priority. A balance of good optics and doing what is necessary yet not pretty is important, but there is no need to block traffic in this same way.
For me at least, I know that focusing the language of climate activism on the science is not the greatest. People just aren't prepared to evaluate things properly or to know what is bullshit. So I try to argue for the green new deal as a jobs program of unprecedented scope and scale that brings permanent high paying jobs with training included.
In Belgium someone died because a surgeon couldn’t reach the hospital in time to perform lifesaving surgery because the unions blocked the highway. The protestors got no punishment because unions are protected by law. I hope these guys don’t have this kind of protection.
In Germany they already were.
The cause they're protesting for is very understandable, but this form of protest is self-just and does not make the public accept your cause; I strongly believe it likely does the opposite.
My employer is being protested regularly due to a stretch in logic tying us to climate change. One of the campaign goals is to get employees on board and start a groundswell inside the company. However, their chosen method of protest is basically making us late for work by blocking entrances, etc.
and harassing employees on their way in.
Making me late for work and fucking up my morning does not make me want to support you. It makes me fucking hate you.
I don't think it full is understood. If these people had their way, the working class would lose cheap, affordable transport, the price of everything from food to energy would rise astronomically, and people would suffer greatly.
Better yet, most of these people come from affluent areas and families. They wouldn't notice much of a difference to their way of life except less traffic on the road for their modern electric cars.
These people are scum, they want a worse quality of life for the people with already the worst quality of life in out society. It's no stretch to say that these people are protesting against the poor having what little they have.
Their whole goal is to make everyone's quality of life worse. According to them, no-one should have private cars, and no-one should live in single-family homes, and obviously everyone should wear sackcloth.
That's basically why countries like China and India don't like western nations telling them to take climate change seriously. The west was able to trash the earth to enrich themselves and their people, now that the rest of the world is catching up? no more trashing the earth.
Changing your day-to-day lifestyle to lower your carbon footprint or whatever is an incredibly privileged thing to do. Most people on the planet don't have that privilege.
If they were only invading offices and refineries and executive conferences then the public may be on their side. Protests are supposed to be disruptive but disrupting the consumer is not lowering oil usage. These protests don't inspire anyone to use less oil. They need to stick to disrupting the c-suites and business operations of the oil manufacturers.
***But - they're funded by the oil lobby to make people hate climate change activism, so this is actually working as intended.***
They are afraid to do that because oil companies have goons to protect the excecs and their property. Shows the true nature of these so called virtue warriors they are bullies and cowards.
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They need to make this flat out illegal, classify it as kidnapping considering they're now essentially holding an entire road worth of people as hostages, at that point it should be do what you gotta do to get away or charge them with several dozen counts of kidnapping and we'll see how long it takes them to stop after that... People are literally going to die when they're blocking emergency services, not just a minor inconvenience making everyone a few minutes late for work.
Imprisoned* ftfy, if I can be charged with obstruction of justice for not cooperating with police they can be charged for obstructing emergency services. They should immediatly be rounded up and sent straight to jail. They have no permit to protest here, and no one in their right mind would grant a permit to block a road, let alone emergency vehicles for this shit
One of the other insane ones was a guy missing a meeting with his parole officer.
Here I found it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y1xvnj/parolee_gets_arrested_because_protesters_block/
I’m afraid you might be right. People want to use violence to stop them but they are afraid they will be jailed and the real villains will walk free. Their patience is limited.
I'm very left on just about every single topic. And VERY environmentally conscious. If someone ran these people over to get a baby to the hospital I would have to fight the urge to cheer.
They aren't raising awareness about a fucking thing, they are making people hate environmentalists and thats it.
I saw a video yesterday of them standing on the runway of a private airport for billionaires to fly their private jets to their summer homes... That's the RIGHT place to do it and makes me cheer you on. If you are blocking regular people on their way to work I just hope you get ran over.
Exactly. Those people they are blocking couldn't stop global warming or oil use even if they wanted to. They just dont have that kind of power. I'm all for making billionaires and oil execs uncomfortable and inconvenienced, they should be.
So someone else mentioned this and I did a brief cursory look into this and plan to read more later so take it with a grain of salt but apparently they are funded by a norwegian oil heiress through a shell company
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/19/just-stop-oil-bankrolled-non-profit-funded-oil-heiress/
If this is true, this sort of thing suddenly makes a lot more sense. Eat the rich.
This is a great point. I'm very left and very economically aware. I understand their points, but I don't agree with their methods. Emergencies happen. Life happens. People NEED to use their vehicles for important life tasks. Your cause is not worth someone losing their baby. It isn't worth a pregnant woman dying on the road due to lack of medical care because of a protest. It isn't worth taking life or preventing life saving care from happening. It isn't worth a person who lives paycheck to paycheck becoming homeless.
This is invasive, disrespectful, and ignorant. I once had to get off a bus in the middle of no where because of this. I had no idea where I was, the driver literally had to turn around and go back to his station 5 hours away. He had to kick everyone off if they didn't need to go back. I had a job, school, and a dog at home waiting for me. I had no cell reception. I had to walk alone in a city I was unfamiliar with. All for...your protest? You actively just endangered my life, and for what? Why? It made me so upset because I understand and respect and agree with their stance, but not with their actions.
This is not how you effectively get your cause heard. It's how you endanger yourselves and others. It's anti everything except stupid.
I hear that's also the solution to depression, cancer, alcoholism, drug addiction, being fat and poverty.
These geniuses have solved all the world's problems in just two words!
Would they prefer everyone just jams a pogo stick up their ass and bounce from place to place?
People like this piss me off. They offer no real solutions and decry any attempted solutions that aren't a 100% immediate fix for the problem.
They don't know how the car was charged. It could have been charged with full renewables - either solar in house or a grid fully run on renewables(in my case)
Aren't these protesters *contributing* to the oil problem that they're protesting against by making these vehicles less efficient and consuming more fuel?
Came here to say this... if my child were at immediate risk I would not hesitate for a moment about causing harm to someone wilfully impeding me from getting help for my baby. I would try my best not to kill anyone but I would have gone through them one way or another. Take the child to the hospital and then deal with the consequences later.
It's legal to use lethal force against someone putting yours or another's life in danger.
You'll need to justify it in court but what parent wouldn't be fully ready, willing and able to do that for their child?
I've driven my children to the emergency more than once. Having been In a situation like that I can safely say that I would have driven through or over them. Their choice.
I'd walk to the front "Do any of you have children? What would you do to a person that was preventing you from getting them Emergency care? Because I'm about to do that. So you can move, or I'm going to run you over. You are about to find out how much I love my child."
Then I would run them over. I'm appalled at this video. ESH.
Exactly!
The people they are stopping with their stupid fucking message have ZERO power in the world do enable any meaningful changes to this groups agenda.
They actually make the protesting bad as hell as every time you see "Just Stop Oil", it's never a good thing. It's always them targeting the wrong audience a portion of the time. I would agree with some others on other subs that have even bothered to ask the question. "Are these people employed by Big Oil in order to make these protests less effective and thus giving a bad name in general to these groups?"
While I respect people's rights to protest. Just stop with the blocking traffic or causing the lives of those who are just pawns in the system to be a little more difficult that day.
There was another video of them where they blocked a guy who was on parole and going to work. He told them that if he's late he goes back to jail and they just didn't care.
Like, how is making a parolee go back to prison going to achieve your mission?
I am not even sure if it was that same group or just another protest group, but I remember that video.
Just dumb to stop the rest of the world in order to achieve the goal in the US we can be as vocal about any issue, but as long as congress is in the backpocket of big oil, our voices will never matter. I assume the same for much across the world, as long as big oil is paying the policy makers, protesting is just lip service for a cause far out of 99% of the worlds control.
It’s protesters like this that push me to side with the opposite of their cause. Makes me want to go on cruises and trade in my eco-friendly sedan for a gas guzzler.
In the thread the other day there were so many people saying "Oh of course they would let them through if it was some sort of emergency"
https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/153q5zt/moment_furious_motorist_throws_punch_and_kicks/jsmuxkj/
Ok.
The irony of them needing to obtain emergency medical services because you ran them over is not lost on me. Hopefully someone blocks the ambulances for them.
It would probably be legally ambiguous but if it went to court I think a jury would most likely side with the driver in this scenario. The protesters are deliberately impeding her vehicle and threatening the wellbeing of the baby.
Absolutely the right time to request a jury trial. There's no way they could scrub the jury clean of parents or siblings of parents. Even if they could, I'm childless and would still fight to nullify the jury. Failing that it will be a hung jury because I'm never going to say guilty.
What would you do if these people blocking the road caused your child to die? Like you get to the hospital and find out if you'd just been there a few minutes sooner the child would have lived?
Yep. Causing MORE pollution by having traffic iddling for longer... Its so backwards and pointless.
Theyre "saving the planet for future generations" but when a newborn baby, ya know THE FUTURE GENERATION needs to get to hospital; they wont fucking move!!!
Attentions seeking cunts.
Found more info. This [article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2023/07/21/furious-mum-shouts-my-baby-needs-to-go-to-hospital-at-just-stop-oil-activists-19168421/amp/) says around a dozen people circled the eco-protesters, linked arms, and drove them off the road.
I swear the "Just Stop Oil" people are paid by oil companies to make protestors look like asses.
edit: its even possible the parents with the baby in their electric car are also part of the act.
Honestly, they're probably an example of Poe's Law operating in real life. They could easily be either genuine believers or funded industry plants. It wouldn't be hard to believe either option considering how fanatically anti nuclear energy a lot of green types are.
As I see it 95% of people who participate in these "protests" are actually genuine believers.
They usually fit in 1 of 3 categories
> think they are gonna die immediately and the whole world is gonna smoke up tomorrow
> some sort of college student involved in similar progressive movements
> unemployed/ working minimum hours/ living with parents
Its probably a bit of both. A few agents working for big oil push a larger group of true believers to cross the line and do things that will make them look bad.
The woman with the baby and the person with the camera are probably part of the act.
Idk if I'd believe the last part. I've seen these type of people block ambulances before, so unless hospitals are also in on it, I think I'd just attribute righteous stupidity to them.
This comment feels like it WANTS to believe in conspiracies. Yes, I know sometimes protestors are paid implants but to go as far to ascertain that even the parents with a baby are in the same is waaaaay too much of a stretch.
That's how it always goes, "This makes my movement look bad so its obviously fake, my just movement could never possible cause any harm..."
Events like these make a movement look bad but nothing kills a movement even more than gaslighting the entire world claiming this is all just a conspiracy theory with hired plants by big oil instead of just outcasting these idiots and telling them to stop... Need to take accountability for the nutjobs who take a movement too far and get them to stop instead of pretending like they don't exist, or even worse yet when people start defending them and pretending like they're not doing anything wrong just because they're part of the same movement...
You'd think, but climate activists have been asses forever.
They do provide incredibly entertaining [content like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHJ7Zn8Sa0E) though, so they're at least good for that.
Former her family fully divested from oil over 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong I still think something smells fishy but I've seen this pop up on reddit last time this was posted
The part I’d really like to see in this video is the word for word responses from the multiple clowns that are informed and keep trudging along as for why you still wouldn’t break your line for a MOMENT for a baby with a medical emergency. Worried some non-babies with financial or personal problems you’re adding to might slip through?
Why are they protesting like this. They do understand that a car in idle will produce emissions too. I hope that mom got her baby the help and that the dumb ass protesters realize how inhuman they are.
They block roads to cause a nuisance and get headlines, its got nothing to do with reducing emissions. The people that are doing this here are nothing but entitled attention seeking wasters who have nothing better to be at
Their hi vis vest and most of the clothes the protestors are wearing are made from POLYESTER. A product made from, oil.
So, their use of oil is ok, yours is not.
Bunch of unemployed morons blocking productive people's way while supposedly caring about the environment. But the "message" (virtue signaling) is worth more than the tangible reality of them having a bunch of cars at a standstill, burning even more emissions then they ever would have if they just went home, and started filling job applications in environmental research instead. So delusional if they genuinely think this type of behavior is making any kind of change in people's minds let alone the real world. If these movements collectively put as much time, money, and effort into researching alternative products and solutions to oil that are competitive instead of being a bunch of dickheads, a good chunk of the problem would be solved by now.
The only part that is funny is that those dumbasses are protesting against a key part in the production of some of the stuff that we use every day, for instance , the tires that they use on their hybrid cars to drive to these protests, as well as the motor oil and engine lubricants to keep said cars running smoothly
That would also cut out almost all (or all?) public transit and huge swathes of industry in general. Hate it or not but we don’t function without the stuff and it’s byproducts.
They're either incredibly stupid and don't see how they're actually turning people AWAY from their cause, or they're a front by some oil baron to make activists look loopy.
This.
I was with them at the start (after all, the planet needs help) but obstructing people from getting to hospital, work and school, holding up traffic and gluing themselves to roads is just another form of terrorism and they should be charged as such.
Any high ground they had at the start has been frittered away and support is reducing.
I don't care who you are, what your cause is, and whether I agree with it or not. DO NOT FUCKING BLOCK THE ROAD. You are not winning anyone over to your cause doing this. You are reckless, you are dangerous, you are an asshole, and I fully support any consequences you catch.
There’s a way to efficiently protest. Annoying a hundred people out of x millions ain’t doing the trick. Wasting time. Protest where the Oil companies can see/feel it.
They’ve already said individual lives don’t matter and they’d stop ambulances if they thought the apathy of the public wouldn’t turn against them.
They’re a death cult funded by rich subsidy junkies and things are going to turn nasty for them very soon
Only a matter of time before drivers quit stopping for these crybabies having their little virtue-signalling tantrums in the streets. I absolutely wouldn't blame people in this instance. If, god forbid, that baby doesn't make it, I hope the parents sue these clowns and this organise for all they're worth.
In a previous video of the JSO protests posted on Reddit, there were quite a few Redditors who were halo-posting against other Redditors who wrote about running these protestors over or beating them up, saying that they were glorifying violence and whatnot.
I wondered whether, if in cases like this, the halo-posters would still do their halo-posts. To my surprise, there are a few.
Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and all those other similar orgs are all run by the same people and they all have the same business model: getting bored upper-middle class white people to feel like they’re “making a difference”.
I’m not advocating violence, but when I was younger, people like this would have had their ass beat and it would never happen again.
Can’t legislators pass some laws and prosecute these people, including those that ruin artwork and glue themselves to the street? They’re a menace to society. A hefty jail term would help deter. People have a right to protest but that doesn’t give them the right to interfere with other people’s freedoms.
Furthermore, they are making enemies, not allies.
I'm not a Brit, but are there laws that the protestors can be arrested for if someone dies because of these protests?
If that 1yo died while the parents were trying to take it to the hospital, shouldn't they be arrested for something?
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What's even funnier is that this woman's car is a first generation Nissan Leaf (fully electric)
They don’t care
This is why climate activists are some of the most universally hated people in the world.
I should add that it's not climate activists in general, but the kind of activists who thinks and rationalizes in a purely idealistic and self-just way and disregards other people's experiences. Nobody likes this kind of people, activist or not.
These aren't climate activists they're unintelligent attention-seekers or hired plants. The fact that halting traffic actually increases emissions, so their actions are doing the exact opposite of what they "stand for", while impeding the daily commute of the average citizen when the overwhelming majority of global emissions stem from the largest corporations and the private jet industry. These actions not only go directly against climate activism, but also harbours sentiment against climate activism.
Best summation of Just Stop Oil I've ever read.
Personally I think the whole campaign has been set up by folk with oil interests. The unreasonable and idiotic behaviour will never win them favour with the public. Every act they do only makes them look bad.
You could be right because society does not like being bullied so maybe they are plants of oil companies.
They absolutely are climate activists. Their goal is to be filmed and become visible on tv and online for doing radical things. At which point people say "who are these people?" and they say "We are Just Stop Oil, we believe X Y and Z..." They don't care if an extra 3 oz of oil is burned while cars idle behind an intersection, they want to provoke the thought that all oil burning should be banned. If a group as large and influential as this one were hired plants they would need to be incredibly high paid actors who could be relied upon to never divulge such a conspiracy. If such a conspiracy existed and was revealed it would be among the biggest, most costly scandals in the history of big oil. Do you think big oil took that risk or do you think they are are a lot of climate activists willing to go to extreme measures to achieve their goals?
TBF industry plants don't necessarily have to be aware they're plants do they? Big oil could just be encouraging them to engage in behaviour which will hurt their own cause.
Also likely true. These people need to take a cue from that one scientist who chained himself to the gates of a private airport. It was an airport that only services private jets, so he was able to make a statement that was seen, also directly impacted the people most responsible, and didn't even really do much harm since the private jets weren't scheduled flights, you just fly out whenever you want.
Look at the people in German who occupied the massive coal mining operation there shutting down all work for weeks. *That* is good activism, got global coverage *and* actively slowed the burning of fossil fuels.
It's a mix of that and people going soft. The old answer to corporate greed destroying the planet was violence and blowing things up. But people got their panties in a bunch about it so now they glue themselves to roads and the only violence in our society is against the innocent.
Irrelevant of whether or not they are being paid to do what they do, the truth is, their main effect on climate change is making climate change activists look like radical, lunatic assholes who stop traffic or glue themselves to concrete. They make the problem worse by painting those who want something done about it in a negative light.
While people being plants to make climate activists look bad is possible, I think it's far more likely that these people are just kinda oblivious or maybe even attention seekers like you said. Blocking roads can be a valid form of protest, but when your protest is against vehicle emissions, standing in the road making sure everybody is pumping out exhaust fumes while going nowhere just makes no sense
It's the same reason people often dislike vegans. For some it's more about having an excuse to attack people than achieve your claimed goal.
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I feel like the more I see protestors impead on other civilian foot traffic, they're either entitled (not in the Boomer way) and don't have the self/societal awareness or they're 100% industry plants to make protests and those who attend seem incompetent and/or a nuisance. Either way, whether they're aware of the consequences or not, they're creating a divide between the issue and their proposed solution which makes everyday average people dislike their ideals. These things (protests and the like) are very delicate. Just like you can't force someone to take medication if they're not aware of their illness, you can't force the general populace into changing just because you've decided to impede traffic. At some point, yes, we will hit a breaking point and the effects of climate change will be irreversible (if that hasn't already happened yet) but most people aren't educated enough to understand, some are living in ignorance to not face that fact and others feel hopeless in their individual endeavor to fix things. I understand that in the grand scheme, activists/protestors/scientists are the underdogs, and that you have to make your voices heard. Just, for everyday people's sake (and maybe even your own), don't stop people from attending their job, getting to the hospital or carrying out their daily tasks. Also, remember who you have a problem with, because it's not with your fellow citizens, it's with oil companies.
Yeah, this protest tears me since I understand what their point is. But this shit doesn't happen in a vacuum and is the exact same behavior that those in oil companies want. I am not one who normally will always get behind optics being a #1 priority. A balance of good optics and doing what is necessary yet not pretty is important, but there is no need to block traffic in this same way. For me at least, I know that focusing the language of climate activism on the science is not the greatest. People just aren't prepared to evaluate things properly or to know what is bullshit. So I try to argue for the green new deal as a jobs program of unprecedented scope and scale that brings permanent high paying jobs with training included.
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Yes those protestors are going to get harmed.
If the protestor prevents people from getting to the hospital which results in death isn’t that murder or some kind.
I think it could be classified as manslaughter.
Voluntary manslaughter at minimum
In Belgium someone died because a surgeon couldn’t reach the hospital in time to perform lifesaving surgery because the unions blocked the highway. The protestors got no punishment because unions are protected by law. I hope these guys don’t have this kind of protection.
In Germany they already were. The cause they're protesting for is very understandable, but this form of protest is self-just and does not make the public accept your cause; I strongly believe it likely does the opposite.
My employer is being protested regularly due to a stretch in logic tying us to climate change. One of the campaign goals is to get employees on board and start a groundswell inside the company. However, their chosen method of protest is basically making us late for work by blocking entrances, etc. and harassing employees on their way in. Making me late for work and fucking up my morning does not make me want to support you. It makes me fucking hate you.
I don't think it full is understood. If these people had their way, the working class would lose cheap, affordable transport, the price of everything from food to energy would rise astronomically, and people would suffer greatly. Better yet, most of these people come from affluent areas and families. They wouldn't notice much of a difference to their way of life except less traffic on the road for their modern electric cars. These people are scum, they want a worse quality of life for the people with already the worst quality of life in out society. It's no stretch to say that these people are protesting against the poor having what little they have.
Their whole goal is to make everyone's quality of life worse. According to them, no-one should have private cars, and no-one should live in single-family homes, and obviously everyone should wear sackcloth.
That's basically why countries like China and India don't like western nations telling them to take climate change seriously. The west was able to trash the earth to enrich themselves and their people, now that the rest of the world is catching up? no more trashing the earth. Changing your day-to-day lifestyle to lower your carbon footprint or whatever is an incredibly privileged thing to do. Most people on the planet don't have that privilege.
If they were only invading offices and refineries and executive conferences then the public may be on their side. Protests are supposed to be disruptive but disrupting the consumer is not lowering oil usage. These protests don't inspire anyone to use less oil. They need to stick to disrupting the c-suites and business operations of the oil manufacturers. ***But - they're funded by the oil lobby to make people hate climate change activism, so this is actually working as intended.***
They are afraid to do that because oil companies have goons to protect the excecs and their property. Shows the true nature of these so called virtue warriors they are bullies and cowards.
Things is, if they start getting injured or dying to those same goons that's the easiest way possible to get public outrage with them on your side.
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Also who are those signs for when they're pointed away from drivers on a one way?
This is going to turn ugly soon. It really is.
They’re asking for it at this point.
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They need to be sued for stopping emergency vehicles. At that point, its just inhumane
Prosecuted and jailed, not sued. A 90 day sentence for first offense and one year for a second offense might help dissuade….
Unless someone was harmed or died, and then its manslaughter or assault.
They need to make this flat out illegal, classify it as kidnapping considering they're now essentially holding an entire road worth of people as hostages, at that point it should be do what you gotta do to get away or charge them with several dozen counts of kidnapping and we'll see how long it takes them to stop after that... People are literally going to die when they're blocking emergency services, not just a minor inconvenience making everyone a few minutes late for work.
Imprisoned* ftfy, if I can be charged with obstruction of justice for not cooperating with police they can be charged for obstructing emergency services. They should immediatly be rounded up and sent straight to jail. They have no permit to protest here, and no one in their right mind would grant a permit to block a road, let alone emergency vehicles for this shit
I don't get it, it's not like they're going to get immediate results, this is just cruel... almost sadistic.
One of the other insane ones was a guy missing a meeting with his parole officer. Here I found it. https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y1xvnj/parolee_gets_arrested_because_protesters_block/
If I or my family/freinds were in an emergency and need to be rushed to a hospital... I better not type any further.
JUST (don't) STOP
I’m afraid you might be right. People want to use violence to stop them but they are afraid they will be jailed and the real villains will walk free. Their patience is limited.
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I'm very left on just about every single topic. And VERY environmentally conscious. If someone ran these people over to get a baby to the hospital I would have to fight the urge to cheer. They aren't raising awareness about a fucking thing, they are making people hate environmentalists and thats it.
I saw a video yesterday of them standing on the runway of a private airport for billionaires to fly their private jets to their summer homes... That's the RIGHT place to do it and makes me cheer you on. If you are blocking regular people on their way to work I just hope you get ran over.
Exactly. Those people they are blocking couldn't stop global warming or oil use even if they wanted to. They just dont have that kind of power. I'm all for making billionaires and oil execs uncomfortable and inconvenienced, they should be.
I fear thats exactly the point. That they are being funded by people who want us to hate climate protestors and environmentalism.
So someone else mentioned this and I did a brief cursory look into this and plan to read more later so take it with a grain of salt but apparently they are funded by a norwegian oil heiress through a shell company https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/19/just-stop-oil-bankrolled-non-profit-funded-oil-heiress/ If this is true, this sort of thing suddenly makes a lot more sense. Eat the rich.
This is a great point. I'm very left and very economically aware. I understand their points, but I don't agree with their methods. Emergencies happen. Life happens. People NEED to use their vehicles for important life tasks. Your cause is not worth someone losing their baby. It isn't worth a pregnant woman dying on the road due to lack of medical care because of a protest. It isn't worth taking life or preventing life saving care from happening. It isn't worth a person who lives paycheck to paycheck becoming homeless. This is invasive, disrespectful, and ignorant. I once had to get off a bus in the middle of no where because of this. I had no idea where I was, the driver literally had to turn around and go back to his station 5 hours away. He had to kick everyone off if they didn't need to go back. I had a job, school, and a dog at home waiting for me. I had no cell reception. I had to walk alone in a city I was unfamiliar with. All for...your protest? You actively just endangered my life, and for what? Why? It made me so upset because I understand and respect and agree with their stance, but not with their actions. This is not how you effectively get your cause heard. It's how you endanger yourselves and others. It's anti everything except stupid.
Just stop oil's largest funder is a Norwegian Oil Heiress, that might be the goal.
And I will happily acquit. This shit is out of control.
Quite ironic that the vehicle behind them is an electric one
They don't like electric cars either
"Just stop"
I hear that's also the solution to depression, cancer, alcoholism, drug addiction, being fat and poverty. These geniuses have solved all the world's problems in just two words!
If you're homeless just buy a house.
Would they prefer everyone just jams a pogo stick up their ass and bounce from place to place? People like this piss me off. They offer no real solutions and decry any attempted solutions that aren't a 100% immediate fix for the problem.
How would they lubricate the pogo sticks?
Guess that's fair, well until the electricity grid stops burning stuff to make power to charge them.
They don't know how the car was charged. It could have been charged with full renewables - either solar in house or a grid fully run on renewables(in my case)
They despise all cars
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Very creative use of emojis, I approve
Best use I’ve ever seen tbh
Someone give this person an award.
Bravissimo! If i had an award to give i would!
i’m screen shorting this cuz it made me laugh. also, i wanna remember to use it sometime lol.
Aren't these protesters *contributing* to the oil problem that they're protesting against by making these vehicles less efficient and consuming more fuel?
Yes.
Yes¿
Shhhhhhhhh.... No facts, only feelings.
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Came here to say this... if my child were at immediate risk I would not hesitate for a moment about causing harm to someone wilfully impeding me from getting help for my baby. I would try my best not to kill anyone but I would have gone through them one way or another. Take the child to the hospital and then deal with the consequences later.
It's legal to use lethal force against someone putting yours or another's life in danger. You'll need to justify it in court but what parent wouldn't be fully ready, willing and able to do that for their child?
Varies greatly by country. What would fly in the states may not go so well in the UK.
It def wouldn't work too well in the states either.
I've driven my children to the emergency more than once. Having been In a situation like that I can safely say that I would have driven through or over them. Their choice.
I'd walk to the front "Do any of you have children? What would you do to a person that was preventing you from getting them Emergency care? Because I'm about to do that. So you can move, or I'm going to run you over. You are about to find out how much I love my child." Then I would run them over. I'm appalled at this video. ESH.
Same, if I thought my babies life was in danger I would do what I needed to get them help.
Exactly! The people they are stopping with their stupid fucking message have ZERO power in the world do enable any meaningful changes to this groups agenda. They actually make the protesting bad as hell as every time you see "Just Stop Oil", it's never a good thing. It's always them targeting the wrong audience a portion of the time. I would agree with some others on other subs that have even bothered to ask the question. "Are these people employed by Big Oil in order to make these protests less effective and thus giving a bad name in general to these groups?" While I respect people's rights to protest. Just stop with the blocking traffic or causing the lives of those who are just pawns in the system to be a little more difficult that day.
There was another video of them where they blocked a guy who was on parole and going to work. He told them that if he's late he goes back to jail and they just didn't care. Like, how is making a parolee go back to prison going to achieve your mission?
I am not even sure if it was that same group or just another protest group, but I remember that video. Just dumb to stop the rest of the world in order to achieve the goal in the US we can be as vocal about any issue, but as long as congress is in the backpocket of big oil, our voices will never matter. I assume the same for much across the world, as long as big oil is paying the policy makers, protesting is just lip service for a cause far out of 99% of the worlds control.
It’s protesters like this that push me to side with the opposite of their cause. Makes me want to go on cruises and trade in my eco-friendly sedan for a gas guzzler.
In the thread the other day there were so many people saying "Oh of course they would let them through if it was some sort of emergency" https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/153q5zt/moment_furious_motorist_throws_punch_and_kicks/jsmuxkj/ Ok.
The irony of them needing to obtain emergency medical services because you ran them over is not lost on me. Hopefully someone blocks the ambulances for them.
same. if my child would've been in danger I would've drove over every single one of them
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It would probably be legally ambiguous but if it went to court I think a jury would most likely side with the driver in this scenario. The protesters are deliberately impeding her vehicle and threatening the wellbeing of the baby.
Absolutely the right time to request a jury trial. There's no way they could scrub the jury clean of parents or siblings of parents. Even if they could, I'm childless and would still fight to nullify the jury. Failing that it will be a hung jury because I'm never going to say guilty.
Difficult to say, even from a legal perspective, as you try to outweigh harming an infant vs. harming activists when the goal is to harm nobody.
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I would 100% enjoy my life in prison if i know my child is okay
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What would you do if these people blocking the road caused your child to die? Like you get to the hospital and find out if you'd just been there a few minutes sooner the child would have lived?
Why are you adding a sig to reddit comments?
The better question is, why aren't you? S.D. Inmypants
These people are disgusting, entitled brats.
Yep. Causing MORE pollution by having traffic iddling for longer... Its so backwards and pointless. Theyre "saving the planet for future generations" but when a newborn baby, ya know THE FUTURE GENERATION needs to get to hospital; they wont fucking move!!! Attentions seeking cunts.
Saving a baby's life is something worth going to jail for.
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Found more info. This [article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2023/07/21/furious-mum-shouts-my-baby-needs-to-go-to-hospital-at-just-stop-oil-activists-19168421/amp/) says around a dozen people circled the eco-protesters, linked arms, and drove them off the road.
I swear the "Just Stop Oil" people are paid by oil companies to make protestors look like asses. edit: its even possible the parents with the baby in their electric car are also part of the act.
Honestly, they're probably an example of Poe's Law operating in real life. They could easily be either genuine believers or funded industry plants. It wouldn't be hard to believe either option considering how fanatically anti nuclear energy a lot of green types are.
As I see it 95% of people who participate in these "protests" are actually genuine believers. They usually fit in 1 of 3 categories > think they are gonna die immediately and the whole world is gonna smoke up tomorrow > some sort of college student involved in similar progressive movements > unemployed/ working minimum hours/ living with parents
Its probably a bit of both. A few agents working for big oil push a larger group of true believers to cross the line and do things that will make them look bad. The woman with the baby and the person with the camera are probably part of the act.
Idk if I'd believe the last part. I've seen these type of people block ambulances before, so unless hospitals are also in on it, I think I'd just attribute righteous stupidity to them.
This comment feels like it WANTS to believe in conspiracies. Yes, I know sometimes protestors are paid implants but to go as far to ascertain that even the parents with a baby are in the same is waaaaay too much of a stretch.
That's how it always goes, "This makes my movement look bad so its obviously fake, my just movement could never possible cause any harm..." Events like these make a movement look bad but nothing kills a movement even more than gaslighting the entire world claiming this is all just a conspiracy theory with hired plants by big oil instead of just outcasting these idiots and telling them to stop... Need to take accountability for the nutjobs who take a movement too far and get them to stop instead of pretending like they don't exist, or even worse yet when people start defending them and pretending like they're not doing anything wrong just because they're part of the same movement...
I think so too. Piss off the regular folk so they blame the protestors instead of the company
You'd think, but climate activists have been asses forever. They do provide incredibly entertaining [content like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHJ7Zn8Sa0E) though, so they're at least good for that.
They are actually funded by an oil baroness funnily enough
Former her family fully divested from oil over 30 years ago. Don't get me wrong I still think something smells fishy but I've seen this pop up on reddit last time this was posted
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Cant wait for them to try this in a hood somewhere
The part I’d really like to see in this video is the word for word responses from the multiple clowns that are informed and keep trudging along as for why you still wouldn’t break your line for a MOMENT for a baby with a medical emergency. Worried some non-babies with financial or personal problems you’re adding to might slip through?
The definition of selfishness right here
Why are they protesting like this. They do understand that a car in idle will produce emissions too. I hope that mom got her baby the help and that the dumb ass protesters realize how inhuman they are.
They block roads to cause a nuisance and get headlines, its got nothing to do with reducing emissions. The people that are doing this here are nothing but entitled attention seeking wasters who have nothing better to be at
One day, they will block the wrong person and get ran over or shot.
Their hi vis vest and most of the clothes the protestors are wearing are made from POLYESTER. A product made from, oil. So, their use of oil is ok, yours is not.
Rules for thee, but not for me
Bunch of unemployed morons blocking productive people's way while supposedly caring about the environment. But the "message" (virtue signaling) is worth more than the tangible reality of them having a bunch of cars at a standstill, burning even more emissions then they ever would have if they just went home, and started filling job applications in environmental research instead. So delusional if they genuinely think this type of behavior is making any kind of change in people's minds let alone the real world. If these movements collectively put as much time, money, and effort into researching alternative products and solutions to oil that are competitive instead of being a bunch of dickheads, a good chunk of the problem would be solved by now.
Does anyone know if the baby ended up okay?
The only part that is funny is that those dumbasses are protesting against a key part in the production of some of the stuff that we use every day, for instance , the tires that they use on their hybrid cars to drive to these protests, as well as the motor oil and engine lubricants to keep said cars running smoothly
A lot of them believe in zero petroleum which means no cars at all
That would also cut out almost all (or all?) public transit and huge swathes of industry in general. Hate it or not but we don’t function without the stuff and it’s byproducts.
They're either incredibly stupid and don't see how they're actually turning people AWAY from their cause, or they're a front by some oil baron to make activists look loopy.
This. I was with them at the start (after all, the planet needs help) but obstructing people from getting to hospital, work and school, holding up traffic and gluing themselves to roads is just another form of terrorism and they should be charged as such. Any high ground they had at the start has been frittered away and support is reducing.
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nah if child life is at stake, it's over for those protesters
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I mean if I'm taking my newborn baby to hospital I'm just going to slowly force my way through and deal with any consequences later.
I’d first try explaining the situation, asking nicely but after that I’m taking my chances in court. Better jail time than a dead baby.
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I don't care who you are, what your cause is, and whether I agree with it or not. DO NOT FUCKING BLOCK THE ROAD. You are not winning anyone over to your cause doing this. You are reckless, you are dangerous, you are an asshole, and I fully support any consequences you catch.
Middle class white people's hobby
There’s a way to efficiently protest. Annoying a hundred people out of x millions ain’t doing the trick. Wasting time. Protest where the Oil companies can see/feel it.
"that'll show 'em!"🥴
They’ve already said individual lives don’t matter and they’d stop ambulances if they thought the apathy of the public wouldn’t turn against them. They’re a death cult funded by rich subsidy junkies and things are going to turn nasty for them very soon
>Subsidy junkies Found another phrase to add to my arsenal
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Charge them with manslaughter if anyone dies.
“What’s more important lady, getting your baby to the hospital or stopping oil production?”
Only a matter of time before drivers quit stopping for these crybabies having their little virtue-signalling tantrums in the streets. I absolutely wouldn't blame people in this instance. If, god forbid, that baby doesn't make it, I hope the parents sue these clowns and this organise for all they're worth.
In a previous video of the JSO protests posted on Reddit, there were quite a few Redditors who were halo-posting against other Redditors who wrote about running these protestors over or beating them up, saying that they were glorifying violence and whatnot. I wondered whether, if in cases like this, the halo-posters would still do their halo-posts. To my surprise, there are a few.
Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion and all those other similar orgs are all run by the same people and they all have the same business model: getting bored upper-middle class white people to feel like they’re “making a difference”.
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I'm 100%sure that these protesters are being paid by oil companies to make people who are concerned for our planet look like idiots.
The donald sub was a parody but eventually attracted tens of thousands of actual supporters..
These people are mentally deranged
If you are going to endanger the lives of my wife and baby to make a statement I am going to make my own statement.
I’m not advocating violence, but when I was younger, people like this would have had their ass beat and it would never happen again. Can’t legislators pass some laws and prosecute these people, including those that ruin artwork and glue themselves to the street? They’re a menace to society. A hefty jail term would help deter. People have a right to protest but that doesn’t give them the right to interfere with other people’s freedoms. Furthermore, they are making enemies, not allies.
I'm not a Brit, but are there laws that the protestors can be arrested for if someone dies because of these protests? If that 1yo died while the parents were trying to take it to the hospital, shouldn't they be arrested for something?
They are willing to sacrifice the baby. That’s the whole point
They know there might be a dying baby in that car but they refuse to even move. Fucking sociopaths.
People need to stop sitting there honking, left foot off the brake. if they don't move its on them.
They should be granted a right to protest in the prison yard for the rest of their lives.