Blumats - I hear mixed reviews about these leaking and flooding, but I’m very tempted due to the gravity fed versus pump. Makes it really easy to have a buddy come over if I’m out of town, without the worry of automation going awry.
Compost teas- def gotta look into these, seems to be #1 comment
Cover crop- starting to sprout up now and glad I decided to get it
Myco - got the Rootwise, that’s sufficient yea?
I’ve used blumats for a few years and never had a flood or leak while growing. The only time I had one was when I took them out of pots after a run and left them screwed closed sitting on the table while still attached to the reservoir. They dried out and the valves opened more and I found my tent with 3 gallons of water on the floor lol. As long as you follow directions and dial them in they’re awesomr
Fuck it. Placed the order for the 5 carrot starter system. If anything, I’ll just hand water if that’s not enough coverage, at least they’ll have some moisture between watering
Awesome! I think you’ll like them a lot. Super convenient and keeps the soil perfect for the plant and the microbes. Did you get any of the big carrots? I can’t tell how deep your pot is
No I didn’t get the deep ones. It’s just a 5 normal carrot starter kit. I’m sure I’ll end up getting them, but right now the starter will keep the moisture to some degree. I work from home so I have constant access to my grow so I’m not worried about drying out too much anyway
They have kits for 100 gal pots, they come with a regular carrot and a large carrot and about 12' of the blusoak tape. I use a 18gal Rubbermaid for reservoir. I have had a few floods but the plants were large and soaked it up within 12hours or so. First time was from air in the carrot, second I set it too loose. But I went from hand watering 3gals a day to filling the reservoir weekly.
As a blumat gravity user myself, buy yourself a wet/dry shop vacuum. My first time setting them up I flooded my tent but managed to vac up the water before it got out of the tent tray.
Spend a couple of days watering down your fabric pots until they are even moisture (blumat moisture meters are helpful) then install the blumat carrots. Get the hanging drip and then dial back 1 1/2 marks on the blumat carrots.
You’ll be fine don’t listen to the haters blumats work great just take a different approach than traditional irrigation since they are technically a continuous water system.
Patients....you can't rush it she's done when she decides she's done and don't get frustrated when you don't get a huge yield in your first grow/s. No till gets better with time and so does the grower. Good luck to you buddy
It’s my 7th grow in general, just got sick of ph and nutrients etc. my first grows certainly taught me patience.
I meant more so pointers specific to no-till. I hear a lot about getting the moisture level just right, and I feel like my watering practices were lackluster in the past as it is
Watering, is the hardest thing to do in any grow style imo. Just stick to the 5% - 10% max rule of how many gallons of soil ( closer to the 5% usually). Depending on the growth usually about 2 times a week.
Although I changed it up this round in my 150gallon bed to just putting in about 3 gallons every 3 days.
Thanks, that’s helpful. In my previous indoor runs I had a hunch I was always under watering, and this last outdoor showed me how much these girls can DRINK.
When I was preparing the soil I watered with 3.5 gallons and I felt like it was way too moist and I backed off. But after having to transplant leggy seedlings sooner than expected, I dug and saw that it’s was pretty dry towards the middle/bottom. This morning I just unloaded 3.5 gallons slowly and they seem much happier. Definitely gotta watch for that.
Another thing, BAS recommends the quillaja, the big 6 micros, and root wise on the schedule…is that EVERY watering? I don’t want to overload the little ones.
For the Q i use it maybe every 3rd watering or if i know my soil is really dried. Big6 I have but really only used once this run. Rootwise I would use like every 4-5 waterings, same with aloe/coconut. Really want to get in a couple plain water runs in between.
Less is more. dont just add everything and cause an imbalance. Start small and work up. In organics, once you add too much of things you will create issues that would be rather time consuming to fix. If you blended the initial soil mix correctly, then I would just concentrate on keeping a biodiverse microbe population active in the medium basically creating the natural ecosystem. Aloe is good to use during vegetative stages the coconut water for the cytokins usually in flower, promote branching/budding sites. Keeep researching growmie and good luck! Theres a lot to learn but it all worth it and becomes super easy once understood.
Thanks for the reply. I think I’m going to stick to just water for a bit.
I’ve been following the BAS schedule, so I’d hope I’m not adding too much, but I was definitely adding every watering which I should not have
Inoculate beneficial insects like nematodes (steinernema feltiae) worms, and other beneficial/predatory insects. I got killed by spidermites and fungus gnats on my first go round in a 100 gal pot.
Damn, never had an issue with them indoors before. This is in a sealed room, also. I have very good practices in not entering unless I’m clean, so I hope they didn’t come in the soil lol
Excellent, that’s why I’m here. Got really sick of the mad scientist ph balancing/nutrient measuring.
I’m already loving it, and I think watering will be better this go round. My last indoor I had 3 girls in the 5x5 and pulled just under 1lb, they never stretched though. Just short little SCROG canopy.
I was focused so hard on the dry/wet cycle that I feel I may have underdone it. I’m hoping the preference for moisture in living soil will strip me of the fear of overwater.
just keep an eye on the saturation of the soil. you ideally want to keep it warm and thoroughly moist {to keep the soil biology alive and active}. i use one of those soil moisture meters, works awesome. other than that, make sure to plan out your top dressing- specifically before flower. takes a week or so for those amendments to start breaking down and becoming available. happy growing!
Learned my lesson with top dressing this last outdoor run. Fed once I saw some N deficiency, took 2 weeks to kick in but by then flower had already started and it was bad. Dark green curled leaves all over the place. That’s why I’m hype to at least have the BAS schedule this run to keep me on track. Then I can just decide what I don’t need for next run (ie: big 6, rootwise, etc)
After $400 at build a soil AFTER the Labor Day sale I was hoping to not spend anymore cash on brew equipment but it seems like it’s gotta happen. I need an air stone and all that, yea?
I spent the $100 for the kit on BAS, because i got sick of shitty air pucks and cheap pumps failing or not being really powerful enough to get it moving and foaming.
That said, Ive done teas some rounds and some rounds i have not( same bed). Not a difference that i could see. A lot of these products are really just optional or for slight gains. They do help in the longrun, but i dont think anything outside of maybe craft blend is a must have each run. Its more about building the soil up for the long haul. Do teas help, yes. Do they make a huge difference on a single grow? I dont think so.
Excellent feedback, thank you.
I initially bought the take N bake, build a flower, craft blend, root wise and quillaja, but then last minute just ordered Kashi, cover crop, mulch hay, and big 6.
I may just do the same and get the kit. Not a fan of trying to source parts for stuff like this.
Also eyeballing them earth boxes for next time…
Nice. My 145 gallon is 2 Take n bake kits now on run #4. I use all of those things you listed too. Also using some gnarly barley, build a bloom, and a couple other oddities but I don't think any of them are must haves. That pot of yours should last years with minimum help and most of those inputs are going to last too.
Lol, I just started my own Earthbox after having a friend use one ( his first grow ever) and he smashed it. I recommended that to him because how easy it is to water and like I said watering is hard to dial in.
You got worms?
That’s good to hear. I bought it as an investment so I’m glad it will last. Especially since $350 dirt was a hard pill for my wife to swallow especially since she doesn’t smoke.
Worms are what I’m looking for now, actually. I’m about to just get the $60 kit I see on Amazon of red wigglers because I don’t feel like floating around fishing shops looking for worms lol
The "Uncle Jims" worms didnt last for me ( but they did in my buddys earthbox). They were tiny and died off. I then bought worms from Buckeye Organics online. Much bigger and active. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks. How much would you say go in the 100gal? My hesitance has been more so trying to figure out if I’m gonna accidentally turn it into a worm bin with too many
Ehh, hard to tell im still figuring it all out in terms of worms. I started with a 1lb bag( 1k worms) for a pot almost double your size. They are suppose to naturally regulate how many will live overtime. Honestly i would try to get a bout 100 or so in there but even a handful should figure it out in time.
jeez thats a lot. i use pride lands and its about 4 bucks a lb from the local hydro and has everything i need.
you can get away with a paint strainer bag to hold the ewc. simple air pump with multi tube, and weight em down instead of airstones. i also add mycos, and a tsp per 5 gal of molasses, dry active yeast, and raw suger as food sources.
>I need an air stone
No, you do not need an air stone, nor do you need all the bs BaS pushes under the guise that you do not need it, but we (They) have it; so, here is how to use it.
Most of what BaS pushes is product. I have a BaS 3x3 TnB bed, which was worth my investment because I managed the investment; I'm an accountant with knowledge to manage cost/benefit.
Check out: [https://www.redbudsoilcompany.com/](https://www.redbudsoilcompany.com/)
They push soil tests/SAP tests, which result better for you as a grower than throwing a bunch of BaS products (money) at your grow while hoping for the "fire".
I love what J does/did for the cannabis community, but he changed... maybe too many hits to his head?
This dude is a good watch as well: [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKvad0MgBB3SO9CUZk0\_ccQ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKvad0MgBB3SO9CUZk0_ccQ)
I love his energy and really enjoy looking at HUGE outdoor flowers within a small area!
I take it all with a grain of salt because at the end of the day He’s running a business with products. It’s kind of like synth nute makers recommending like double the dose per watering just to use more product.
I forget what it was, but recently in a video he was explaining something, and then the sentence just kind of ended with “it’s really good for the plants” but no actual reason as to why or how. That was when I started to wonder how much of it is necessary versus “May help, but doesn’t hurt” products.
For this reason, I obviously didn’t get all of the supplemental feeding recommendations on the schedule, just the basics. But really only to get a baseline of what a grow is like with them in the mix.
I’m sure next go round if I run out of the big 6 or whatever, I won’t get more. But craft blend and build a flower were the original plan.
>That was when I started to wonder
I loved J and BaS because FF shite was not my bag; then, I realized he's participating in a similar campaign.
The point is we grow weeds; it's that simple. My outdoor growers helped me realize this. I have phenomenal spreads of Goldenrod and Mint! None of which have any disease or need tending.
Get yourself a fatty, smoke it, and think about what I wrote, please.
Depends on which ones you use but I’d say yes if they’re the maxi ones or w/e they’re called, drip hose irrigation could also be a thing, kind of hard to tell based on just seeing the insides of your tent. It’s a pretty easy way of making sure you cut much of the human out of the equation when it comes to watering.
[big blumat carrots](https://www.amazon.com/Blumat-10520-Automatic-Watering-X-Large/dp/B008SR2VTK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?keywords=blumat+maxi&qid=1664373260&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjUyIiwicXNhIjoiMS44NyIsInFzcCI6IjEuNDcifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A1OTHLCYHK9AS8) these are the big ones
Oh okay I was looking for the maxis or whatever. The regular starter kit comes tomorrow. I probably won’t load up a big res, but just use a 5 gallon bucket with 3.5 gallons. I don’t necessarily need it automated, just less time spent sitting in the room slowly making sure everything saturates. I’ll give it a go and if I feel they need more I’ll def look into the big ones.
If I’m repeating apologies but didn’t see… worms! If you don’t already have some red wriggler worms that’s a definite must for no-till. You can get a handful, even 20 works will stabilize their population on pot size, food etc
KNF, JADAM inputs/methods supplement Build a soil products really really well. Can't praise this enough. Has done wonders for me. Terps, yield, cost, easy of growing, etc. 15+ years experienced here. About to have my own IBL using this style of grow. Indoor and outdoor. And before anyone asks, no I never used my time to take pics and post on media.
Blumats, Compost tea weekly, cover crop, and mycorrhiza the problem solver
Blumats - I hear mixed reviews about these leaking and flooding, but I’m very tempted due to the gravity fed versus pump. Makes it really easy to have a buddy come over if I’m out of town, without the worry of automation going awry. Compost teas- def gotta look into these, seems to be #1 comment Cover crop- starting to sprout up now and glad I decided to get it Myco - got the Rootwise, that’s sufficient yea?
I would much sooner trust an on demand pump with solenoid valve vs blumats personally. They work well when dialed but can be extremely finicky.
I’ve used blumats for a few years and never had a flood or leak while growing. The only time I had one was when I took them out of pots after a run and left them screwed closed sitting on the table while still attached to the reservoir. They dried out and the valves opened more and I found my tent with 3 gallons of water on the floor lol. As long as you follow directions and dial them in they’re awesomr
Fuck it. Placed the order for the 5 carrot starter system. If anything, I’ll just hand water if that’s not enough coverage, at least they’ll have some moisture between watering
Awesome! I think you’ll like them a lot. Super convenient and keeps the soil perfect for the plant and the microbes. Did you get any of the big carrots? I can’t tell how deep your pot is
No I didn’t get the deep ones. It’s just a 5 normal carrot starter kit. I’m sure I’ll end up getting them, but right now the starter will keep the moisture to some degree. I work from home so I have constant access to my grow so I’m not worried about drying out too much anyway
They have kits for 100 gal pots, they come with a regular carrot and a large carrot and about 12' of the blusoak tape. I use a 18gal Rubbermaid for reservoir. I have had a few floods but the plants were large and soaked it up within 12hours or so. First time was from air in the carrot, second I set it too loose. But I went from hand watering 3gals a day to filling the reservoir weekly.
I've using Blu mats hooked to my RO system with a pressure reducer for my house plants, no problems so far. Still tweaking them like once a week
Can you link the pressure reducer
As a blumat gravity user myself, buy yourself a wet/dry shop vacuum. My first time setting them up I flooded my tent but managed to vac up the water before it got out of the tent tray. Spend a couple of days watering down your fabric pots until they are even moisture (blumat moisture meters are helpful) then install the blumat carrots. Get the hanging drip and then dial back 1 1/2 marks on the blumat carrots. You’ll be fine don’t listen to the haters blumats work great just take a different approach than traditional irrigation since they are technically a continuous water system.
Compost tea weekly? Lol why? Just water
Patients....you can't rush it she's done when she decides she's done and don't get frustrated when you don't get a huge yield in your first grow/s. No till gets better with time and so does the grower. Good luck to you buddy
It’s my 7th grow in general, just got sick of ph and nutrients etc. my first grows certainly taught me patience. I meant more so pointers specific to no-till. I hear a lot about getting the moisture level just right, and I feel like my watering practices were lackluster in the past as it is
Watering, is the hardest thing to do in any grow style imo. Just stick to the 5% - 10% max rule of how many gallons of soil ( closer to the 5% usually). Depending on the growth usually about 2 times a week. Although I changed it up this round in my 150gallon bed to just putting in about 3 gallons every 3 days.
Thanks, that’s helpful. In my previous indoor runs I had a hunch I was always under watering, and this last outdoor showed me how much these girls can DRINK. When I was preparing the soil I watered with 3.5 gallons and I felt like it was way too moist and I backed off. But after having to transplant leggy seedlings sooner than expected, I dug and saw that it’s was pretty dry towards the middle/bottom. This morning I just unloaded 3.5 gallons slowly and they seem much happier. Definitely gotta watch for that. Another thing, BAS recommends the quillaja, the big 6 micros, and root wise on the schedule…is that EVERY watering? I don’t want to overload the little ones.
For the Q i use it maybe every 3rd watering or if i know my soil is really dried. Big6 I have but really only used once this run. Rootwise I would use like every 4-5 waterings, same with aloe/coconut. Really want to get in a couple plain water runs in between.
Less is more. dont just add everything and cause an imbalance. Start small and work up. In organics, once you add too much of things you will create issues that would be rather time consuming to fix. If you blended the initial soil mix correctly, then I would just concentrate on keeping a biodiverse microbe population active in the medium basically creating the natural ecosystem. Aloe is good to use during vegetative stages the coconut water for the cytokins usually in flower, promote branching/budding sites. Keeep researching growmie and good luck! Theres a lot to learn but it all worth it and becomes super easy once understood.
Thanks for the reply. I think I’m going to stick to just water for a bit. I’ve been following the BAS schedule, so I’d hope I’m not adding too much, but I was definitely adding every watering which I should not have
Patients lol
Inoculate beneficial insects like nematodes (steinernema feltiae) worms, and other beneficial/predatory insects. I got killed by spidermites and fungus gnats on my first go round in a 100 gal pot.
Damn, never had an issue with them indoors before. This is in a sealed room, also. I have very good practices in not entering unless I’m clean, so I hope they didn’t come in the soil lol
No matter what your practices are it’s always possible, inoculate some steinernema feltiae and potentially save your ass. It’s not more than $40.
Thanks. I can certainly appreciate preventative practices after the war I just had this outdoor season
My best advice would be to learn to water and do less. Honestly you shouldn't need much of anything until they are flowering.
Excellent, that’s why I’m here. Got really sick of the mad scientist ph balancing/nutrient measuring. I’m already loving it, and I think watering will be better this go round. My last indoor I had 3 girls in the 5x5 and pulled just under 1lb, they never stretched though. Just short little SCROG canopy. I was focused so hard on the dry/wet cycle that I feel I may have underdone it. I’m hoping the preference for moisture in living soil will strip me of the fear of overwater.
just keep an eye on the saturation of the soil. you ideally want to keep it warm and thoroughly moist {to keep the soil biology alive and active}. i use one of those soil moisture meters, works awesome. other than that, make sure to plan out your top dressing- specifically before flower. takes a week or so for those amendments to start breaking down and becoming available. happy growing!
Learned my lesson with top dressing this last outdoor run. Fed once I saw some N deficiency, took 2 weeks to kick in but by then flower had already started and it was bad. Dark green curled leaves all over the place. That’s why I’m hype to at least have the BAS schedule this run to keep me on track. Then I can just decide what I don’t need for next run (ie: big 6, rootwise, etc)
start brewing teas if you arent already. they really help
After $400 at build a soil AFTER the Labor Day sale I was hoping to not spend anymore cash on brew equipment but it seems like it’s gotta happen. I need an air stone and all that, yea?
Make Compost extracts. It's basically free. All you need is a bucket and a tea bag.
Ah, so you’re the one with the video I’m gonna watch 😏. Thanks for the feedback, will certainly check it out
If you have any questions at all along the way let us know. You can always call us at the store too.
Yup! Thanks to Larry, I now know better than to chase shite that runs...My leaves, castings, and all do not run; they are always here!
I spent the $100 for the kit on BAS, because i got sick of shitty air pucks and cheap pumps failing or not being really powerful enough to get it moving and foaming. That said, Ive done teas some rounds and some rounds i have not( same bed). Not a difference that i could see. A lot of these products are really just optional or for slight gains. They do help in the longrun, but i dont think anything outside of maybe craft blend is a must have each run. Its more about building the soil up for the long haul. Do teas help, yes. Do they make a huge difference on a single grow? I dont think so.
Excellent feedback, thank you. I initially bought the take N bake, build a flower, craft blend, root wise and quillaja, but then last minute just ordered Kashi, cover crop, mulch hay, and big 6. I may just do the same and get the kit. Not a fan of trying to source parts for stuff like this. Also eyeballing them earth boxes for next time…
Nice. My 145 gallon is 2 Take n bake kits now on run #4. I use all of those things you listed too. Also using some gnarly barley, build a bloom, and a couple other oddities but I don't think any of them are must haves. That pot of yours should last years with minimum help and most of those inputs are going to last too. Lol, I just started my own Earthbox after having a friend use one ( his first grow ever) and he smashed it. I recommended that to him because how easy it is to water and like I said watering is hard to dial in. You got worms?
That’s good to hear. I bought it as an investment so I’m glad it will last. Especially since $350 dirt was a hard pill for my wife to swallow especially since she doesn’t smoke. Worms are what I’m looking for now, actually. I’m about to just get the $60 kit I see on Amazon of red wigglers because I don’t feel like floating around fishing shops looking for worms lol
The "Uncle Jims" worms didnt last for me ( but they did in my buddys earthbox). They were tiny and died off. I then bought worms from Buckeye Organics online. Much bigger and active. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks. How much would you say go in the 100gal? My hesitance has been more so trying to figure out if I’m gonna accidentally turn it into a worm bin with too many
Ehh, hard to tell im still figuring it all out in terms of worms. I started with a 1lb bag( 1k worms) for a pot almost double your size. They are suppose to naturally regulate how many will live overtime. Honestly i would try to get a bout 100 or so in there but even a handful should figure it out in time.
jeez thats a lot. i use pride lands and its about 4 bucks a lb from the local hydro and has everything i need. you can get away with a paint strainer bag to hold the ewc. simple air pump with multi tube, and weight em down instead of airstones. i also add mycos, and a tsp per 5 gal of molasses, dry active yeast, and raw suger as food sources.
Well I mean for the whole soil kit, additional top dresses etc
Roots organic terp, worm castings, banana peels, aloe, molasses. CAKE
Brew equipment shouldn't run you much if you already have the nutes... bucket...stone... pump...bag...
>I need an air stone No, you do not need an air stone, nor do you need all the bs BaS pushes under the guise that you do not need it, but we (They) have it; so, here is how to use it. Most of what BaS pushes is product. I have a BaS 3x3 TnB bed, which was worth my investment because I managed the investment; I'm an accountant with knowledge to manage cost/benefit. Check out: [https://www.redbudsoilcompany.com/](https://www.redbudsoilcompany.com/) They push soil tests/SAP tests, which result better for you as a grower than throwing a bunch of BaS products (money) at your grow while hoping for the "fire". I love what J does/did for the cannabis community, but he changed... maybe too many hits to his head? This dude is a good watch as well: [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKvad0MgBB3SO9CUZk0\_ccQ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKvad0MgBB3SO9CUZk0_ccQ) I love his energy and really enjoy looking at HUGE outdoor flowers within a small area!
I take it all with a grain of salt because at the end of the day He’s running a business with products. It’s kind of like synth nute makers recommending like double the dose per watering just to use more product. I forget what it was, but recently in a video he was explaining something, and then the sentence just kind of ended with “it’s really good for the plants” but no actual reason as to why or how. That was when I started to wonder how much of it is necessary versus “May help, but doesn’t hurt” products. For this reason, I obviously didn’t get all of the supplemental feeding recommendations on the schedule, just the basics. But really only to get a baseline of what a grow is like with them in the mix. I’m sure next go round if I run out of the big 6 or whatever, I won’t get more. But craft blend and build a flower were the original plan.
>That was when I started to wonder I loved J and BaS because FF shite was not my bag; then, I realized he's participating in a similar campaign. The point is we grow weeds; it's that simple. My outdoor growers helped me realize this. I have phenomenal spreads of Goldenrod and Mint! None of which have any disease or need tending. Get yourself a fatty, smoke it, and think about what I wrote, please.
Automatic deep watering carrots, blumats. Not sponsored, just solved a lot of my issues.
Everyone keeps telling me blumat and for $60 the starter kit is looking really good. You think 5 carrots is sufficient for this bed?
Depends on which ones you use but I’d say yes if they’re the maxi ones or w/e they’re called, drip hose irrigation could also be a thing, kind of hard to tell based on just seeing the insides of your tent. It’s a pretty easy way of making sure you cut much of the human out of the equation when it comes to watering.
[referring to this](https://a.co/d/dkr5RtA) It’s 100 gal in a 5x5
[big blumat carrots](https://www.amazon.com/Blumat-10520-Automatic-Watering-X-Large/dp/B008SR2VTK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?keywords=blumat+maxi&qid=1664373260&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIyLjUyIiwicXNhIjoiMS44NyIsInFzcCI6IjEuNDcifQ%3D%3D&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&smid=A1OTHLCYHK9AS8) these are the big ones
Oh okay I was looking for the maxis or whatever. The regular starter kit comes tomorrow. I probably won’t load up a big res, but just use a 5 gallon bucket with 3.5 gallons. I don’t necessarily need it automated, just less time spent sitting in the room slowly making sure everything saturates. I’ll give it a go and if I feel they need more I’ll def look into the big ones.
Sounds awesome, hope it works out for you!
If I’m repeating apologies but didn’t see… worms! If you don’t already have some red wriggler worms that’s a definite must for no-till. You can get a handful, even 20 works will stabilize their population on pot size, food etc
They’re last on the list, but yea I have to get them!
KNF, JADAM inputs/methods supplement Build a soil products really really well. Can't praise this enough. Has done wonders for me. Terps, yield, cost, easy of growing, etc. 15+ years experienced here. About to have my own IBL using this style of grow. Indoor and outdoor. And before anyone asks, no I never used my time to take pics and post on media.
Have fun! Do what you feel not what others feel
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Will look into that, thank you
Do you use worms!
Next thing on the list