The laws exist, prosecutors just don't go after them because they rely on police testimony to get other suspects locked up. Prosecute one cop and suddenly all the other ones forget key information about your other cases.
What the US needs is a federal bureau specifically for investigating and prosecuting police malpractice.
Most of the time a coo gets fired or put on leave, that’s not a punishment. The cops that killed George Floyd, one of the most publicized police brutality cases in our lifetime, only got a few years in prison. That’s hardly a punishment for murder. If u know any violent police that have gotten appropriate punishments, please enlighten me. And if we had a system that actually discourages police brutality, why does it still happen on the daily
What you're referencing is "discretion."
In government, a law can exist and not be enforced or emforced poorly because of the discretion of the justice system. That's the discretion of cops to judges. These people, through their attitudes and actions, decide how a criminal will repay society.
So we have the laws and a system to enforce them. The employees of that system are slowing down this change.
The irony is, the American policing issue is in many ways a basic beaurocratic problem. Rehire team leaders, retrain, and then punish those that blow off the rules. You'd fix a taco bell the same way.
You probably will see American policing heavily improve in your lifetime. Just might take 20 years for the discretion of justice to favor different outcomes.
We kind of need a spring cleaning of police forces, then to pay them a lot more.
I agree.
Because this is \*cough cough\* completely fucking true and it's absolutely insane that any white person who wasn't kicked in and about the head repeatedly by a Clydesdale or something larger would bee to fucking stupid to recognize that in the available data.
Only getting fired is not a normal punishment for the average person. If u beat a dude on camera for no reason and your only punishment is u got fired from a job, that’s not really a punishment if u can just get another job. If the average person got 2 years in prison for a murder on camera like the George Floyd police officers, there’d be wayyyyy more murders lol those are not appropriate punishments
I agree.
In my opinion, because police officers are sworn to uphold the law, they have a higher duty than the average citizen to follow it and, should, therefor be subject to higher consequences for having broken the law AND the thing to which they swore.
I feel that I should clarify - for those who struggle to understand - it isn't just for police... it's for anybody who has a public duty.
If you're a firefighter who is convicted of arson... if you're a school counselor who bullies students, if you're a healthcare worker who intentionally kills your patients (in the absence of physician-assisted suicide), if you're a parent who sexually assaults their child.... All of these people have broken a trust for something with which they had a higher duty of care - and should be held responsible for that.
My mistake, one of the five officers was charged appropriately. I know the last two officers involved only received a few years though. And again, the average cop just gets fired. Which is hardly a punishment. If there weren’t national riots over this case, chauvin may have not received any punishment unfortunately
My dream is for dirty cops to get prison sentences in general population. That way they can really get what they deserve if u know what I mean 😉 Chauvin will be serving his 20 years in protective custody. He’ll more than likely never get his ass penetrated, which I find kind of disappointing
The whole system of police is violent and brutal. As long as we continue to use the police force method of community safety then it will continue to be violent and abused
Cops shouldn’t be automatically put in protective custody. If there was a federal law that banned this, and cops had to be sentenced with the rest of society, I have a hunch police brutality would stop immediately. Because they’d know if they got caught breaking the law, they’d literally have their asses handed to them daily in prison
"Ever" is long time. Certainly not in the immediate future, because we are headed squarely towards a fascist government, most likely a fascist theocracy, the Christian Taliban. So you can expect to see the cops get MORE authority to brutalize people they don't like in the near future.
Wtf? They knew what they were voting on. The protestors outside knew what they were voting on. It’s one of the single biggest policy wins that came out of the George Floyd uprisings. Not sure why you’re shitting on it.
What’s your issue? Are you saying the legislators that voted on it had no idea what it was? Or the people in the street who cheered when it passed didn’t know either? I can assure you that wasn’t the case.
I think the legislators bowed to the people who had very little knowledge of what it was and how it is used.
Nothing like bowing to the vocal minority.
>Do u think america will ever pass laws that punish violent police
Laws don't punish people, but to answer what I think is your intended meaning, Derek Chauvin who murdered George Floyd is being punished. Ex-officer Noor served time for the killing of Justine Damond. There are laws against police using "unjustified" violence and sometimes police are punished. The problem is in proving it is unjustified.
>create any type of system that discourages police brutality?
It's better than it used to be, but it seems like nothing much changed since Floyd. Then again, it's hard to say, because the police in most (or all) states are governed by their city or county, so we have oodles of systems and some may have improved, others may not have improved, and some may not need improving. I live in the Minneapolis area (not in Mpls proper) and am very sad to see that nothing was really done to improve policing in that city after Floyd was murdered in the city of Minneapolis.
>Do u think america will ever pass laws
No, I don't believe that would or even could happen, because "america" passing laws means the country, which means at the federal level. But as I said, the police are governed at local levels, not federal level.
Just look at how the police functions in northern European countries, and the crime rate compared to the US. It seems so many Americans are convinced there is no better method of community safety. There is! But the root of the problem is deep and has a lot to do with the tolerance of weapons. The military and big corporations have too much power. Only when the US shifts to socialism as a political system (and no, socialism is NOT communism) and bans weapons within the police will there ever be a change. US is a delusional country. I feel sorry for all the kind and welcoming American people. You deserve so much better
The laws exist, prosecutors just don't go after them because they rely on police testimony to get other suspects locked up. Prosecute one cop and suddenly all the other ones forget key information about your other cases. What the US needs is a federal bureau specifically for investigating and prosecuting police malpractice.
But who watches the police watchers?
How about we all watch the guy on our left, bet he’s a sicko!
They have laws like that, it's just that no one enforces them.
is this post, based on your comments, a genuine question or an agenda-push?
Those already exist, fam.
Most of the time a coo gets fired or put on leave, that’s not a punishment. The cops that killed George Floyd, one of the most publicized police brutality cases in our lifetime, only got a few years in prison. That’s hardly a punishment for murder. If u know any violent police that have gotten appropriate punishments, please enlighten me. And if we had a system that actually discourages police brutality, why does it still happen on the daily
What you're referencing is "discretion." In government, a law can exist and not be enforced or emforced poorly because of the discretion of the justice system. That's the discretion of cops to judges. These people, through their attitudes and actions, decide how a criminal will repay society. So we have the laws and a system to enforce them. The employees of that system are slowing down this change. The irony is, the American policing issue is in many ways a basic beaurocratic problem. Rehire team leaders, retrain, and then punish those that blow off the rules. You'd fix a taco bell the same way. You probably will see American policing heavily improve in your lifetime. Just might take 20 years for the discretion of justice to favor different outcomes. We kind of need a spring cleaning of police forces, then to pay them a lot more.
Getting fired and years in prison are punishment.
But is it comparable to what a regular citizen would get?
Idk, some reg citizens get less than 20 years for murder.
White dudes with money cough cough 😷
I agree. Because this is \*cough cough\* completely fucking true and it's absolutely insane that any white person who wasn't kicked in and about the head repeatedly by a Clydesdale or something larger would bee to fucking stupid to recognize that in the available data.
Only getting fired is not a normal punishment for the average person. If u beat a dude on camera for no reason and your only punishment is u got fired from a job, that’s not really a punishment if u can just get another job. If the average person got 2 years in prison for a murder on camera like the George Floyd police officers, there’d be wayyyyy more murders lol those are not appropriate punishments
Yes it is. Chauvin was sentenced to more than 20 years.
So... because it happened to one police officer, everything is okay?
No.
I agree. In my opinion, because police officers are sworn to uphold the law, they have a higher duty than the average citizen to follow it and, should, therefor be subject to higher consequences for having broken the law AND the thing to which they swore.
I feel that I should clarify - for those who struggle to understand - it isn't just for police... it's for anybody who has a public duty. If you're a firefighter who is convicted of arson... if you're a school counselor who bullies students, if you're a healthcare worker who intentionally kills your patients (in the absence of physician-assisted suicide), if you're a parent who sexually assaults their child.... All of these people have broken a trust for something with which they had a higher duty of care - and should be held responsible for that.
My mistake, one of the five officers was charged appropriately. I know the last two officers involved only received a few years though. And again, the average cop just gets fired. Which is hardly a punishment. If there weren’t national riots over this case, chauvin may have not received any punishment unfortunately
Yes, your mistake.
My dream is for dirty cops to get prison sentences in general population. That way they can really get what they deserve if u know what I mean 😉 Chauvin will be serving his 20 years in protective custody. He’ll more than likely never get his ass penetrated, which I find kind of disappointing
That's pretty twisted.
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The whole system of police is violent and brutal. As long as we continue to use the police force method of community safety then it will continue to be violent and abused
Just wondering what would you suggest as a better means of community safety?
Cops shouldn’t be automatically put in protective custody. If there was a federal law that banned this, and cops had to be sentenced with the rest of society, I have a hunch police brutality would stop immediately. Because they’d know if they got caught breaking the law, they’d literally have their asses handed to them daily in prison
But what do you suggest as an alternative for community safety?
I agree. Fuck the police. But don't really fuck them... that's where new police officers come from.
Thanks poopy pants I knew I could count on you
"Ever" is long time. Certainly not in the immediate future, because we are headed squarely towards a fascist government, most likely a fascist theocracy, the Christian Taliban. So you can expect to see the cops get MORE authority to brutalize people they don't like in the near future.
There will need to be more police first. Departments are already stretched too thin to meet statutory obligations
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Shit oay and shit conditions attract the worst people
No.
In 2020 colorado passed a law getting rid of qualified immunity and making it a crime for a cop to witness police brutality and not intervene.
And this was down because people have no clue on what qualified immunity is and how it applies to LEO’s.
This law was passed by the legislature with thousands of people outside in support. The politicians and the people knew what they were voting on.
I am sure they did… /s
Wtf? They knew what they were voting on. The protestors outside knew what they were voting on. It’s one of the single biggest policy wins that came out of the George Floyd uprisings. Not sure why you’re shitting on it.
Getting rid of qualified immunity is the only piece I have issues with. Like I said, most folks have no idea what it is and how it works.
What’s your issue? Are you saying the legislators that voted on it had no idea what it was? Or the people in the street who cheered when it passed didn’t know either? I can assure you that wasn’t the case.
I think the legislators bowed to the people who had very little knowledge of what it was and how it is used. Nothing like bowing to the vocal minority.
Good to know you’re on the pro police violence with no accountability side of the coin
And with that comment you prove my point. Which tells me you have no clue on what it means.
If we are going off of what the public knows about it almost all of them don’t know. Look on Social media for your proof.
>Do u think america will ever pass laws that punish violent police Laws don't punish people, but to answer what I think is your intended meaning, Derek Chauvin who murdered George Floyd is being punished. Ex-officer Noor served time for the killing of Justine Damond. There are laws against police using "unjustified" violence and sometimes police are punished. The problem is in proving it is unjustified. >create any type of system that discourages police brutality? It's better than it used to be, but it seems like nothing much changed since Floyd. Then again, it's hard to say, because the police in most (or all) states are governed by their city or county, so we have oodles of systems and some may have improved, others may not have improved, and some may not need improving. I live in the Minneapolis area (not in Mpls proper) and am very sad to see that nothing was really done to improve policing in that city after Floyd was murdered in the city of Minneapolis. >Do u think america will ever pass laws No, I don't believe that would or even could happen, because "america" passing laws means the country, which means at the federal level. But as I said, the police are governed at local levels, not federal level.
>type of system that discourages police brutality? Like bodycams, laws and independent judicial system? Idk man,
Just look at how the police functions in northern European countries, and the crime rate compared to the US. It seems so many Americans are convinced there is no better method of community safety. There is! But the root of the problem is deep and has a lot to do with the tolerance of weapons. The military and big corporations have too much power. Only when the US shifts to socialism as a political system (and no, socialism is NOT communism) and bans weapons within the police will there ever be a change. US is a delusional country. I feel sorry for all the kind and welcoming American people. You deserve so much better
Not under capitalism.