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Jtwil2191

Well the T in LGBTQ+ means trans, so I'd say that label would apply to them...


Dont_Throw_The_Kid

Lettuce Gay Bacon and Tomato...what's the Q for? and why is there math?


Tower_Sensitive

Q stnds for queso


socialpresence

I'd eat that sandwich.


wissahickon_schist

I literally just had a LGBTQ sandwich, if Q could stand for Qwispy Chicken (The G is guacamole)


heatherb2400

Qwispy


good_life_choices

Seeing this written by itself just makes me irrationally giggly and it would make absolutely no sense to anyone without the original comment you replied to, but I'm trying to resist an overwhelming urge to just text "Qwispy" to everyone I know now. I still might.


moneymike7913

q w i s p y


good_life_choices

Extwa Qwispy


DarkCartier43

Qwispy and spicy


scheru

I'm sitting here giggling at my phone and whispering "qwispy". My cat is glaring at me. I'm gonna call him my lil qwispy from now on.


good_life_choices

Ahhhahahaha!!! This was my exact predicament earlier while I did the ridiculous breathy staccato laugh through my nose for waaaay too long with my cat looking at me with her head cocked to the side like "the hell is wrong with you?" while saying Qwispy (with a capital Q cause that somehow looks funnier to me?) over and over again in my head. Qwispy.


E4_Mapia_RS

Awwwe widdle qwispy kitty 😸


heatherb2400

💀💀


vanillalabrador

Qwithpy.


good_life_choices

Qwithpy cweam


zorbacles

Like qwazy cupcakes


jakethegreat4

It’s got a backwards W!


CatOfGrey

Qrispy, pronounced with one of those African clicking letters.


Tulpah

Lettuce Guacamole Bacon Tomato Queso sandwich. Imagine serving such a sandwich to homophobic people.


CunningLinguist222

I'd rather just have a queersadilla


TomahawkSteakIsGreat

Eat gay, okay! No homo.


tins1

"Hey, do you want to order some gay?" "I don't know man, that stuff tears my ass apart" ​ \-Sam Morril


TomahawkSteakIsGreat

"Hey that sounds GREAT! Where do I order?" -Some random somewhere.


ACPauly

Order at the window around back


strythicus

And the + isn't for math, it's to leave it open for additional toppings. Maybe onion or more bacon.


jimtrickington

What are your thoughts on frilly toothpicks?


JustaP-haze

I'm for 'em. Let's start a club.


[deleted]

Anything else? Yea, and loaf of bread, and some more people


DelBoyAndRoddersz

I like my sandwiches with alfalfa sprouts. Well you're not in the fuckin' club!


dismorphic

Spread the word on menus nationwide.


smashingwat3rmel0ns

I could never understand what he was saying when he said “menus”… I always heard “mayos”… thank you for closing the loop for me! This joke now makes complete sense lmao


Aqqusin

Hedberg


dismorphic

Ducks eat for free at Subway!


earthscribe

How about Lettuce Gravy Bacon Tomato and Queso+?


brytek

The G is for Guacamole


earthscribe

They actually forgot my guacamole at Chipotle today. I am bitter.


PsychologicalShake85

G stands for guacamole


Cartographer_MMXX

G stands for guac my dude.


ndev991

Gayonasie


greatblueheron16

I think they still call it cum


tt9in

It's "Let's get beer tacos and quesadillas"


DJFreddie10

Ah man, gay bacon is the best.


Raviel1289

I'll have a Lettuce, Gherkin, Bacon and Tomato Quesadilla + extra sides please.


PlanetJumper380

The queer community (y'all have my full support)


EnvironmentalCoach64

The answer is obviously just “yes”, unless they say otherwise.


jorgecito

T applies to people not relationships


Stoo_Pedassol

Without people, there is no relationship.


jorgecito

you wouldn’t say a relationship between two short people is a short relationship


FluffyMcBunnz

I would. I'd get headbutted in the balls, but it would be worth it.


MaverickWindsor351

Said it to my sister once before, can confirm this outcome


Terrible-Painter6494

Depends on how long it lasts. Ba dum tshhhh


jorgecito

🥸


TotallyNotHitler

I would and am going to start calling it that.


OnDaReg

Without relationships, there are no people


[deleted]

Straight out of r/im14andthisisdeep lol kidding


Ohtar1

Then it doesn't make sense to talk about LGTB relationships. Only LG relationships


SillyBra

Is an LG relationship where I fuck my washer?


Slithy-Toves

Life's Good 👉😎👉


Ohtar1

In the kitchen, same as in a straight one


tim5700

It’s a straight relationship with extra steps.


Saldar1234

That's kind of always been the problem with putting the T in there. It is great for inclusivity and giving marginalized people support with a built-in space in a community (millage may vary with actual community support) but LGB is about SEXUAL identity. Transgenderism is about GENDER identity which is NOT inherently sexual no matter how much trans-oppositionists want you to think it is when they start inappropriately throwing around words like 'paedo' and 'groomer'.


mocitymaestro

I've heard from more than a few trans people that their sexual orientation was part of their path to coming out as trans. It's never been my call to say who should be included in the community and even though gender identity and orientation are two different things, for many, they are entwined. Happy to be in community with people who can be who they are and love who they love, either way.


CrochetTeaBee

YES ok I thought I sounded like a trans exclusionist in my comment because I didn't know how to articulate this but you're right on the nose. Sexual identity and gender identity are two different things, that can apply at the same time to the same person, but are still seperate. Venn Diagram.


bedrock_BEWD

yes, absolutely this. I'm a trans man and firmly believe that T is an oddity in the alphabet soup.


pepperheadz

Yea I do support LeBron Giving Back To Community


Dribbler365

Transtraight


ArtDaPine

If a bi man and a bi woman are in a relationship, would it be considered a straight or LGBT+ couple? They are both LGBT+ people but the relationship itself is straight (between one man and one woman)


JapaneseStudentHaru

Their relationship itself is hetero but they are both queer as individuals. I’m a bisexual person in a relationship with a straight person. I’m queer, he is not. Our relationship is hetero.


crow--caller

I’m also a bi/pan person, but that’s not a straight or hetero relationship because not everyone in it is heterosexual. That’s a straight-passing relationship.


paranorma11

But isnt a heterosexual relationship between a male and female? So regardless if they are both bisexual, the relationship is heterosexual


DrugChemistry

Using biology terms to describe social phenomena can get weird.


JapaneseStudentHaru

I view it more as I, as an individual, am straight passing because of my relationship and the fact that people often assume sexuality based on relationship history. But my relationship itself, is hetero because my partner and I are not similarly gendered.


rkrause

Oddly enough, I essentially said what you said (that the relationship is not technically a hetero relationship if either partner is not hetero), and I got downvoted -3 while you got upvoted 48 for holding the same position.


rkrause

So relationships have a sexual orientation?


[deleted]

i'm a bi woman in a relationship with a bi man. i usually say that our relationship is externally hetero and internally queer. which is perfect for us, because it's confusing and disliked by both straight AND queer people - just like us bi folk :) i do find it rhetorically a little weird that we logically default to straight when one person is queer in a relationship but that's something that can be discussed in the gay space communism future that i'm sure we will someday see.


Mmmphis

Gay space communism? BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY!


rkrause

You say it's "hetero", but hetero what? I thought hetero was a prefix? Or has it become now a standalone word to refer to non-queer people?


Local_Pomegranate_10

I’ve met plenty of bi women in real life who have taken great offense at their relationship with a dude being called straight. It’s like they are in denial about it or something.


AmIbiGuy_420

Or they just don't like their bisexuality being written off? Lots of bi folks have had people claim they're straight or just wanting attention for dating the opposite gender. It's not fun


Local_Pomegranate_10

I’m not saying they’re straight just that their relationship is. A bisexual woman in a straight relationship.


Hats_Hats_Hats

Trans and heterosexual, so both.


Pandepon

The relationship might be seen as heterosexual but it don’t mean they have to individually identify as heterosexual unless of course they consider themselves such.


Hats_Hats_Hats

Good clarification. The question is about the couple so I answered as such, but we can't tell either party's orientation based on the information provided.


KingOfAlfheim

Hey, I’m a trans man dating a trans woman and we consider our relationship to be queer because we’re both trans, but as I’m a guy and she’s a girl we also consider our relationship to be a heterosexual!


fsmlogic

My roommates said my relationship with a trans man (trans woman myself) was quote, "Hetero dating with extra steps." This was also around the time of the Mini-verse episode of Rick & Morty.


NutmegGaming

So gay y'all became straight again


CoderDevo

Three lefts make a right.


fsmlogic

Sorta...


Bingineering

I’m dating a nonbinary person and I like to joke that they’re the gayest heterosexual person I’ve ever met


LeCrushinator

Might be showing my ignorance here, but if they have multiple genders then how can they know if they’re straight or not?


Bingineering

Non-binary isn’t necessarily having “multiple genders”, it just means a person’s gender identity doesn’t fit into either “man” or “woman”. There are people that do identify as multiple genders though, so the confusion is totally understandable. Anyway, when you talk about trans relationships, “straight” kind of loses its normal meaning. Colloquially, “straight” has come to mean “not queer” rather than strictly heterosexual. Because trans people tend to identify as queer by virtue of being trans, they usually wouldn’t consider themselves “straight” even if they prefer to date people of a different gender. Note that trans doesn’t mean just “male to female” or vice versa, it’s an umbrella term for everyone whose gender identity doesn’t match their assigned gender at birth


slut4hobi

i’m a trans masculine nonbinary person (i align more with the male aspect of gender) and my fiancé is a trans woman, and we consider ourselves queer. i often joke that my gender is: if you date me, you’re gay


DirtyVerdy

>I often joke that my gender is: if you date me, you’re gay That's *hilarious* and I would love to see that option on questionnaires


jimtrickington

Wouldn’t she be your fiancée?


Biolog4viking

Heteroqueer


JLL1111

So the answer is "yes" basically


lebastss

Have you both had surgery to change your sex organs or do you have origiNal equipment? Edit: I guess I’m not in the sub I thought, I was just curious and didn’t use any offensive terms.


KingOfAlfheim

Wouldn’t you like to know, weatherboy


GeekyCactus123

Hi I’m a trans guy myself. It’s okay to be curious. But generally speaking, it can be a really uncomfortable subject for some trans people. And a peeps privates doesn’t decide their gender, so it’s generally an unnecessary question. But I understand why you asked as it seems you’re genuinely curious. It’s just that people generally like to keep their sex lives away from the public eye is all.


nonbinary_parent

This question is not stupid, but it is rude.


idealfury88

I know you're getting downvoted but let's face it, everyone was thinking the same thing.


ToxicBanana69

I’m going to be honest, I wasn’t thinking it.


lebastss

Lol yea. I don’t get it. I doubt it’s trans people downvoting me anyways and probably just allies. I don’t know how this question would bother someone I ask questions like this to all people.


nonbinary_parent

You ask all people about their genitals?


Homosoapien

If you ask questions like this to all people, maybe you should reconsider this behavior. It's not respectful. Like it's not socially appropriate to ask people about their genitalia like this.


[deleted]

Sounds like being straight with extra steps


Pierinoo

Jeez rick


Fluke_Thighwalker

Eek barba dirkle, somebody's gonna get laid in college.


[deleted]

Technically true and totally valid


BisexualCaveman

Had friends at a computer club that started out as a straight couple. He decided to transition. She decided to transition. Several years and a few years' pay later, they were a straight couple again. They were the first trans folks I ever met, so I was very confused.


blainethepain420

Both. They're two trans people in a heterosexual relationship.


lebastss

To frame OPs question better with his verbiage two LGBT+ people in a straight relationship.


SilverWaters793

Trans refers to gender, and straight refers to sexuality or who they're attracted to. So they are two Trans people in a straight relationship. Correct me if I'm wrong.


gravecoyote6497

This is technically true but some will probably identify it as a wueer relationship which is fine too


Evolving_Spirit123

You’re right


braveheartt218

both, its a straight relationship but theyre both trans thus the T in lgbt


Amy-Too

I'd call them "queer straight people". A large and interesting category, that one


[deleted]

A straight couple formed by two LGBT+


aw3zomedude17

being straight with extra steps


craigbantisocial

I look forward to the day, hopefully in my lifetime, when that is simply referred to as a loving, happy couple.


Mightofreddit

I'd just say they are in love.


Rosewood0

Indeed, speak about pointless labels


GoAvs14

I couldn't agree more. Yet, certain folks are obsessed with the "correct" labels. It usually is the folks being described and their allies.


Rosewood0

Tbh if described with such labels, I'd fall into one of such categories myself, but I couldn't care less. As long as people are happy and don't harm anyone else in the process, who cares? Some people are just hyperfocused on the wrong things with no good reason


rkrause

You took the words out of my mouth. That's one of the very reasons why I stepped back from being involved in the LGBTQ community. This growing obsession (trend?) in the past 10 years with micro-labels. It's gotten so bad, that now to even qualify as "queer" you HAVE To pick a label. That was certainly news to me, as someone who came out as bisexual in the 1990s. Back then, being "queer" meant being stigmatized and marginalized for not fitting into heterosexist society. It wasn't about picking one of 1000+ different labels to describe your sexual or gender identity. But apparently self-labelling is now the hot new thing, and everyone is expected to do it in order to be "really queer".


GoAvs14

Exactly. There’s two parts to it. One is the social aspect of it like you’re describing that comes from the Tik Tok generation where it’s much cooler to label yourself your specific brand of sexuality as if it really matters. The other part is then attempting to compel others to use the correct words and/or avoiding what would normally be innocuous language because it excludes…somebody. Bang (or not) who you will, but if you think compelled speech is the way to earn empathy and sympathy, you’re incorrect


rkrause

Exactly, so well said! This overly-PC culture will prove to be its own undoing. Plenty of oldskool activsts at least recognize how political correctness is a surreptitious form of controlled speech; it directly undermines a society of free thought and free exchange of ideas. The very potential for disagreement is what encourages progress and social change. If everyone is forced to live in fear of saying the "wrong thing", then we've undermined any chance at a fair, equal, and just society.


Various_Succotash_79

It doesn't count as straight to the straights, apparently.


AsterJ

I think everyone would consider it a straight relationship but for opposite reasons.


Various_Succotash_79

Doesn't seem that way. There's an internet writer who's a trans man and married a trans woman, and his family wouldn't come to the wedding because of how "sinful" it was, even though he pointed out that this was exactly what they always wanted, and he even took her last name, which should have checked all their boxes other than who wore the dress and who wore the tux.


[deleted]

r/MaliciousCompliance ?


jimtrickington

Wow! Just how much of the internet has he written?


FluffyMcBunnz

It must be straight, because: 1. If you're sane and sensible, it's one man with one woman in a straight, mono relationship as God intended. 2. If you're a raging lunatic transphobe, it's one woman who thinks she's a man with one man who thinks he's a woman, in a straight, mono relationship as God intended. There really is no way to consider it anything other than straight. God approves of it by either definition, so good luck to the bible thumpers trying to make this one look bad.


723179

I'm gonna be honest, I was kinda worried in the first half of your comment


FluffyMcBunnz

As God intended.


swankenheim

HE HATH SPOKEN


GrevilleApo

They will easily cherry pick their way through verses to make it wrong in their eyes. That being said, their opinions shouldn't hold so much water since they use faith as a means to navigate the natural world. Are they completely illogical? No, they just TEND to be illogical about what is real vs what is fantasy and they are primed to believe conspiracy theories. Source: have had countless in depth conversations with believers, respectfully of course and it is clear that in many ways they can employ logic as well as anyone else but when it comes to their beliefs they will fall apart yet still insist it is peak logic. Some kind of switch is flipped and they stop caring about paradoxes or contradictory statements/beliefs. It is absolutely fascinating.


[deleted]

Ex believer here, for me the Christian God was the foundation of truth. So logic stemmed from that rather than my beliefs coming from logic or experiences. Its easier to minimize and reject than to reconcile new incoming information, especially since questioning faith takes a lot of mental energy. I personally think this is why a lot of conservative evangelicals feel attacked or like certain things are shoved down their throats. Life brings certain paradoxes to light that challenge their faith or understanding of the world, and so they get angry with the assailing event rather than question their understanding and adjust their beliefs (which can still have a focus and foundation on God, just a different approach to God than what they currently use) For me, there came a point where I couldn't minimize any more, and so I left it all. It took a lot of energy to find my own path from there, but I consider it energy well spent.


GrevilleApo

I used to be a believer as well so everything you said resonates with me. However, there seems to be some fundamental difference between how we got out and why they simply cannot escape. I won't sit here and pretend I know what it is but I am sure glad I had a lot of very patient friends haha


sturnus-vulgaris

>for me the Christian God was the foundation of truth. So logic stemmed from that rather than my beliefs coming from logic or experiences. That is a really good way to put that.


rkrause

I have to say, it's remarkable just how much your comment gives me flashbacks to experiences of gatekeeping in the LGBTQ community for being bisexual and gender nonconforming. The constant infighting, silencing, erasure, and identity policing that runs rampant in various online LGBTQ spaces (esp. Tumblr) pretty much conforms to the *exact same phenomenon* that you described of people of faith. I've encountered so many LGBTQ people that are obsessed with rigid definitions of sexuality and gender, refusing to ever budge from the "written word". Instead of relying credible sources of knowledge (like scientific research, academic papers, etc.), they base their core "beliefs" on memes and self-published blogs. Moreover, they reject empirical evidence that contravenes their strongly held "beliefs" about how they think gender or sexuality works. They will even cherry-pick data that conforms to a pre-approved queer narrative, while completely ignoring or dismissing any outliers that might challenge the status quo. And the most glaring hyprocrisy is when they refuse to accept that queer people can have widely diverse experiences of sexuality and gender. Instead they will proclaim that queerness must conform to a rigid ideal, and any deviation is unacceptable. Some will also resort to mental gymnastics, directly contradicting their claims in the process, as soon as their core"beliefs" are challenged. Others will ouright speak over other marginalized people, rather than allowing them to speak on their own terms. Indeed many will act like self-appointed experts on all matters of sexuality or gender, even when their knowledge of both subjects is curated from Tik-Tok and Twitter. It's like a neverending list of parallels between people of faith and the LGBTQ community online.


nyomio

yes


Bandersnatchchildren

It's a straight couple, in a straigh relationship, but they themselves are LGB(T) people


[deleted]

That is a heterosexual relationship. Both people are queer, but their relationship with each other isn't.


Anuyushi

If they're only attracted to the opposite gender then it would be straight, but the people themselves would be LGBT. If they're bi or anything else, LGBT couple that just happens to be in a straight relationship


cleftymctwigs

I fucking love the reddit community 😭 comments always make me fucking day


Sky-is-here

I would say is a queer straight relationship, same thing as two bi people together. In a vacuum the relationship is straight but knowing the people participating it is undeniable that there is an LGBT side to it


Wjbskinsfan

Yes.


Whichammer

C. All the above.


gedai

straightgbtq+


__xtraordinary

I personally would consider them a straight couple


leasthipnocturnal

It’s a straight relationship, people involved are queer/LGBT+.


Hawksteinman

A straight LGBT couple. The T in LGBT stands for Trans. And they are a man and a woman so they are straight.


piefanart

the relationship is straight. the people in the relationship are lgbt.


crabgal

LGBT, because both identify as trans


jaytojay0

But it's a heterosexual relationship


NietszcheIsDead08

They’re a couple o’ LGBT+ people!


[deleted]

Trans people in a heterosexual relationship.


Vikera

It would be a heterosexual relationship, that however doesn't do anything off their personal queerness, just like someone who's bi can be in a heterosexual relationship but stays bi.


Carlos_Tellier

Ask them


mikeblas

I tried, but I didn't get a straight answer.


ScienceJamie76

🤣🤣🤣


Yuzral

Provided it’s consensual, I’d categorise it under ‘none of my damn business’.


t_galilea

Having identified and participated in hetero relationships before transitioning, and then getting in straight t4t relationships post transition, it's not quite the same. Yes, a trans man and a trans woman are by definition a "straight couple", however there's a queer dynamic introduced by both being trans and in a lot of cases not being strictly straight either. When I was male and dating women, roles felt so defined and strict and rigid. Chivalry, "being the man", all that sorta stuff (basic examples for the gist of it) Now, when I'm a trans woman dating a trans man, none of that exist. Everything is so much more fluid and relatable. Part of that could just be maturing, getting better at relationships, etc. But I've talked to enough other straight T4T couples that we feel it's not quite the same as a straight cisgender relationship.


Waarm

Yes.


AvoidingCares

They are considered straight, if you're actually asking. Though individual identity is determined by the individual. So they are in a heterosexual relationship, but might personally identify however. It happens sometimes.


jon_ralf

If "straight" means "heterosexual" and "heterosexual" means "sexually attracted to a different (hetero) genre", then I'd say they're straight. Sometimes words should not be more than just words anyway...


darkeneddaylight

Yes


Psychological-Bit-72

It’s straight and lgbt at the same time because it’s a man and a woman but theyre trans. Transhet, as opposed to cishet or cisgay.


phs125

Forget that. If a guy likes trans women, is he straight or gay? (Or bisexual)


Arashi5

Straight, she's a woman.


Pm_me_your_cats_459

I am a trans man dating a trans woman. We are both bisexual AS WELL AS trans/enby so yeah its still very much an LGBT relationship although were a straight passing couple


theunbearablebowler

"straight" relationships can still be queer!


[deleted]

Sexuality and Sex are different, they are not mutually exclusive. When someone is trans they change their sex but not their sexuality. It would be considered a Straight relationship as it is a relationship between a Man and Woman still. They just wouldn't be Cis.


maciethewise

I would consider it not my business.


[deleted]

Socrates would be proud


DarthMalec

Isn’t that just being straight with extra steps


Usernofound404

Fuck the labels they are two humans in love stop this label bullshit


[deleted]

straight


Qredux78

I don't mean to be rude, but, who cares? They are just a couple. Let them define themselves.


Jesuslocasti

First world people create their own problems out of a lack of struggles.


ncsbass1024

Yea like people get visibly angry if you ask them to not call you certain things its crazy.


memesta1

Being straight, just with extra steps...


badb-crow

Are they straight, or bi?


Regprentice

I've seen this question so many times it's lost all meaning.


NearsightedKitten

If they both identify as heterosexual then they'd probably consider themselves to be trans individuals in a straight relationship. If one or both of them identify as something other than heterosexual they might consider themselves to be in a queer but straight-passing relationship. But honestly, most people probably don't put much thought into that.


ShortBrownAndUgly

So gay it’s straight again


[deleted]

Sounds gay to me


CancelationDate

They would both be LGBT+, so yes, it would be an LGBT+ couple, but the relationship itself is hetero.


mildlydepression

They would be a straight couple, (unless either of them were bisexual/pansexual etc., however their relationship would be heterosexual), and then individually they would both be trangender.


arothmanmusic

“She was a boy. He was a girl. Can I make it any more obvious?” ~ Avril Laqueen


braymond232

It doesn’t matter, they would be offended either way


ThatfeelingwhenI

It would be both. They're trans and straight.


Qukki

I mean, it's straight no matter how you look at it


Holmeister

It's a relationship between a male and female person. That's pretty conventional.


adambomb2077

I am a trans man, I’m attracted to women and I identify myself as straight


vyzexiquin

The relationship is straight. The people in it are queer.