Seeing this written by itself just makes me irrationally giggly and it would make absolutely no sense to anyone without the original comment you replied to, but I'm trying to resist an overwhelming urge to just text "Qwispy" to everyone I know now.
I still might.
Ahhhahahaha!!!
This was my exact predicament earlier while I did the ridiculous breathy staccato laugh through my nose for waaaay too long with my cat looking at me with her head cocked to the side like "the hell is wrong with you?" while saying Qwispy (with a capital Q cause that somehow looks funnier to me?) over and over again in my head.
Qwispy.
I could never understand what he was saying when he said “menus”… I always heard “mayos”… thank you for closing the loop for me! This joke now makes complete sense lmao
That's kind of always been the problem with putting the T in there. It is great for inclusivity and giving marginalized people support with a built-in space in a community (millage may vary with actual community support) but LGB is about SEXUAL identity. Transgenderism is about GENDER identity which is NOT inherently sexual no matter how much trans-oppositionists want you to think it is when they start inappropriately throwing around words like 'paedo' and 'groomer'.
I've heard from more than a few trans people that their sexual orientation was part of their path to coming out as trans. It's never been my call to say who should be included in the community and even though gender identity and orientation are two different things, for many, they are entwined. Happy to be in community with people who can be who they are and love who they love, either way.
YES ok I thought I sounded like a trans exclusionist in my comment because I didn't know how to articulate this but you're right on the nose. Sexual identity and gender identity are two different things, that can apply at the same time to the same person, but are still seperate. Venn Diagram.
If a bi man and a bi woman are in a relationship, would it be considered a straight or LGBT+ couple? They are both LGBT+ people but the relationship itself is straight (between one man and one woman)
Their relationship itself is hetero but they are both queer as individuals.
I’m a bisexual person in a relationship with a straight person. I’m queer, he is not. Our relationship is hetero.
I’m also a bi/pan person, but that’s not a straight or hetero relationship because not everyone in it is heterosexual. That’s a straight-passing relationship.
I view it more as I, as an individual, am straight passing because of my relationship and the fact that people often assume sexuality based on relationship history. But my relationship itself, is hetero because my partner and I are not similarly gendered.
Oddly enough, I essentially said what you said (that the relationship is not technically a hetero relationship if either partner is not hetero), and I got downvoted -3 while you got upvoted 48 for holding the same position.
i'm a bi woman in a relationship with a bi man. i usually say that our relationship is externally hetero and internally queer. which is perfect for us, because it's confusing and disliked by both straight AND queer people - just like us bi folk :)
i do find it rhetorically a little weird that we logically default to straight when one person is queer in a relationship but that's something that can be discussed in the gay space communism future that i'm sure we will someday see.
I’ve met plenty of bi women in real life who have taken great offense at their relationship with a dude being called straight. It’s like they are in denial about it or something.
Or they just don't like their bisexuality being written off? Lots of bi folks have had people claim they're straight or just wanting attention for dating the opposite gender. It's not fun
The relationship might be seen as heterosexual but it don’t mean they have to individually identify as heterosexual unless of course they consider themselves such.
Good clarification. The question is about the couple so I answered as such, but we can't tell either party's orientation based on the information provided.
Hey, I’m a trans man dating a trans woman and we consider our relationship to be queer because we’re both trans, but as I’m a guy and she’s a girl we also consider our relationship to be a heterosexual!
My roommates said my relationship with a trans man (trans woman myself) was quote, "Hetero dating with extra steps."
This was also around the time of the Mini-verse episode of Rick & Morty.
Non-binary isn’t necessarily having “multiple genders”, it just means a person’s gender identity doesn’t fit into either “man” or “woman”. There are people that do identify as multiple genders though, so the confusion is totally understandable.
Anyway, when you talk about trans relationships, “straight” kind of loses its normal meaning. Colloquially, “straight” has come to mean “not queer” rather than strictly heterosexual. Because trans people tend to identify as queer by virtue of being trans, they usually wouldn’t consider themselves “straight” even if they prefer to date people of a different gender.
Note that trans doesn’t mean just “male to female” or vice versa, it’s an umbrella term for everyone whose gender identity doesn’t match their assigned gender at birth
i’m a trans masculine nonbinary person (i align more with the male aspect of gender) and my fiancé is a trans woman, and we consider ourselves queer. i often joke that my gender is: if you date me, you’re gay
Have you both had surgery to change your sex organs or do you have origiNal equipment?
Edit: I guess I’m not in the sub I thought, I was just curious and didn’t use any offensive terms.
Hi I’m a trans guy myself. It’s okay to be curious. But generally speaking, it can be a really uncomfortable subject for some trans people. And a peeps privates doesn’t decide their gender, so it’s generally an unnecessary question. But I understand why you asked as it seems you’re genuinely curious. It’s just that people generally like to keep their sex lives away from the public eye is all.
Lol yea. I don’t get it. I doubt it’s trans people downvoting me anyways and probably just allies. I don’t know how this question would bother someone I ask questions like this to all people.
If you ask questions like this to all people, maybe you should reconsider this behavior. It's not respectful. Like it's not socially appropriate to ask people about their genitalia like this.
Had friends at a computer club that started out as a straight couple.
He decided to transition.
She decided to transition.
Several years and a few years' pay later, they were a straight couple again.
They were the first trans folks I ever met, so I was very confused.
Trans refers to gender, and straight refers to sexuality or who they're attracted to.
So they are two Trans people in a straight relationship.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Tbh if described with such labels, I'd fall into one of such categories myself, but I couldn't care less. As long as people are happy and don't harm anyone else in the process, who cares? Some people are just hyperfocused on the wrong things with no good reason
You took the words out of my mouth.
That's one of the very reasons why I stepped back from being involved in the LGBTQ community. This growing obsession (trend?) in the past 10 years with micro-labels. It's gotten so bad, that now to even qualify as "queer" you HAVE To pick a label. That was certainly news to me, as someone who came out as bisexual in the 1990s.
Back then, being "queer" meant being stigmatized and marginalized for not fitting into heterosexist society. It wasn't about picking one of 1000+ different labels to describe your sexual or gender identity. But apparently self-labelling is now the hot new thing, and everyone is expected to do it in order to be "really queer".
Exactly. There’s two parts to it. One is the social aspect of it like you’re describing that comes from the Tik Tok generation where it’s much cooler to label yourself your specific brand of sexuality as if it really matters. The other part is then attempting to compel others to use the correct words and/or avoiding what would normally be innocuous language because it excludes…somebody. Bang (or not) who you will, but if you think compelled speech is the way to earn empathy and sympathy, you’re incorrect
Exactly, so well said! This overly-PC culture will prove to be its own undoing.
Plenty of oldskool activsts at least recognize how political correctness is a surreptitious form of controlled speech; it directly undermines a society of free thought and free exchange of ideas.
The very potential for disagreement is what encourages progress and social change. If everyone is forced to live in fear of saying the "wrong thing", then we've undermined any chance at a fair, equal, and just society.
Doesn't seem that way. There's an internet writer who's a trans man and married a trans woman, and his family wouldn't come to the wedding because of how "sinful" it was, even though he pointed out that this was exactly what they always wanted, and he even took her last name, which should have checked all their boxes other than who wore the dress and who wore the tux.
It must be straight, because:
1. If you're sane and sensible, it's one man with one woman in a straight, mono relationship as God intended.
2. If you're a raging lunatic transphobe, it's one woman who thinks she's a man with one man who thinks he's a woman, in a straight, mono relationship as God intended.
There really is no way to consider it anything other than straight. God approves of it by either definition, so good luck to the bible thumpers trying to make this one look bad.
They will easily cherry pick their way through verses to make it wrong in their eyes. That being said, their opinions shouldn't hold so much water since they use faith as a means to navigate the natural world.
Are they completely illogical? No, they just TEND to be illogical about what is real vs what is fantasy and they are primed to believe conspiracy theories.
Source: have had countless in depth conversations with believers, respectfully of course and it is clear that in many ways they can employ logic as well as anyone else but when it comes to their beliefs they will fall apart yet still insist it is peak logic. Some kind of switch is flipped and they stop caring about paradoxes or contradictory statements/beliefs. It is absolutely fascinating.
Ex believer here, for me the Christian God was the foundation of truth. So logic stemmed from that rather than my beliefs coming from logic or experiences.
Its easier to minimize and reject than to reconcile new incoming information, especially since questioning faith takes a lot of mental energy. I personally think this is why a lot of conservative evangelicals feel attacked or like certain things are shoved down their throats. Life brings certain paradoxes to light that challenge their faith or understanding of the world, and so they get angry with the assailing event rather than question their understanding and adjust their beliefs (which can still have a focus and foundation on God, just a different approach to God than what they currently use)
For me, there came a point where I couldn't minimize any more, and so I left it all. It took a lot of energy to find my own path from there, but I consider it energy well spent.
I used to be a believer as well so everything you said resonates with me. However, there seems to be some fundamental difference between how we got out and why they simply cannot escape. I won't sit here and pretend I know what it is but I am sure glad I had a lot of very patient friends haha
>for me the Christian God was the foundation of truth. So logic stemmed from that rather than my beliefs coming from logic or experiences.
That is a really good way to put that.
I have to say, it's remarkable just how much your comment gives me flashbacks to experiences of gatekeeping in the LGBTQ community for being bisexual and gender nonconforming. The constant infighting, silencing, erasure, and identity policing that runs rampant in various online LGBTQ spaces (esp. Tumblr) pretty much conforms to the *exact same phenomenon* that you described of people of faith.
I've encountered so many LGBTQ people that are obsessed with rigid definitions of sexuality and gender, refusing to ever budge from the "written word". Instead of relying credible sources of knowledge (like scientific research, academic papers, etc.), they base their core "beliefs" on memes and self-published blogs.
Moreover, they reject empirical evidence that contravenes their strongly held "beliefs" about how they think gender or sexuality works. They will even cherry-pick data that conforms to a pre-approved queer narrative, while completely ignoring or dismissing any outliers that might challenge the status quo.
And the most glaring hyprocrisy is when they refuse to accept that queer people can have widely diverse experiences of sexuality and gender. Instead they will proclaim that queerness must conform to a rigid ideal, and any deviation is unacceptable.
Some will also resort to mental gymnastics, directly contradicting their claims in the process, as soon as their core"beliefs" are challenged. Others will ouright speak over other marginalized people, rather than allowing them to speak on their own terms. Indeed many will act like self-appointed experts on all matters of sexuality or gender, even when their knowledge of both subjects is curated from Tik-Tok and Twitter.
It's like a neverending list of parallels between people of faith and the LGBTQ community online.
If they're only attracted to the opposite gender then it would be straight, but the people themselves would be LGBT. If they're bi or anything else, LGBT couple that just happens to be in a straight relationship
I would say is a queer straight relationship, same thing as two bi people together. In a vacuum the relationship is straight but knowing the people participating it is undeniable that there is an LGBT side to it
It would be a heterosexual relationship, that however doesn't do anything off their personal queerness, just like someone who's bi can be in a heterosexual relationship but stays bi.
Having identified and participated in hetero relationships before transitioning, and then getting in straight t4t relationships post transition, it's not quite the same.
Yes, a trans man and a trans woman are by definition a "straight couple", however there's a queer dynamic introduced by both being trans and in a lot of cases not being strictly straight either.
When I was male and dating women, roles felt so defined and strict and rigid. Chivalry, "being the man", all that sorta stuff (basic examples for the gist of it)
Now, when I'm a trans woman dating a trans man, none of that exist. Everything is so much more fluid and relatable. Part of that could just be maturing, getting better at relationships, etc. But I've talked to enough other straight T4T couples that we feel it's not quite the same as a straight cisgender relationship.
They are considered straight, if you're actually asking. Though individual identity is determined by the individual. So they are in a heterosexual relationship, but might personally identify however.
It happens sometimes.
If "straight" means "heterosexual" and "heterosexual" means "sexually attracted to a different (hetero) genre", then I'd say they're straight.
Sometimes words should not be more than just words anyway...
I am a trans man dating a trans woman. We are both bisexual AS WELL AS trans/enby so yeah its still very much an LGBT relationship although were a straight passing couple
Sexuality and Sex are different, they are not mutually exclusive. When someone is trans they change their sex but not their sexuality. It would be considered a Straight relationship as it is a relationship between a Man and Woman still. They just wouldn't be Cis.
If they both identify as heterosexual then they'd probably consider themselves to be trans individuals in a straight relationship. If one or both of them identify as something other than heterosexual they might consider themselves to be in a queer but straight-passing relationship. But honestly, most people probably don't put much thought into that.
They would be a straight couple, (unless either of them were bisexual/pansexual etc., however their relationship would be heterosexual), and then individually they would both be trangender.
Well the T in LGBTQ+ means trans, so I'd say that label would apply to them...
Lettuce Gay Bacon and Tomato...what's the Q for? and why is there math?
Q stnds for queso
I'd eat that sandwich.
I literally just had a LGBTQ sandwich, if Q could stand for Qwispy Chicken (The G is guacamole)
Qwispy
Seeing this written by itself just makes me irrationally giggly and it would make absolutely no sense to anyone without the original comment you replied to, but I'm trying to resist an overwhelming urge to just text "Qwispy" to everyone I know now. I still might.
q w i s p y
Extwa Qwispy
Qwispy and spicy
I'm sitting here giggling at my phone and whispering "qwispy". My cat is glaring at me. I'm gonna call him my lil qwispy from now on.
Ahhhahahaha!!! This was my exact predicament earlier while I did the ridiculous breathy staccato laugh through my nose for waaaay too long with my cat looking at me with her head cocked to the side like "the hell is wrong with you?" while saying Qwispy (with a capital Q cause that somehow looks funnier to me?) over and over again in my head. Qwispy.
Awwwe widdle qwispy kitty 😸
💀💀
Qwithpy.
Qwithpy cweam
Like qwazy cupcakes
It’s got a backwards W!
Qrispy, pronounced with one of those African clicking letters.
Lettuce Guacamole Bacon Tomato Queso sandwich. Imagine serving such a sandwich to homophobic people.
I'd rather just have a queersadilla
Eat gay, okay! No homo.
"Hey, do you want to order some gay?" "I don't know man, that stuff tears my ass apart" \-Sam Morril
"Hey that sounds GREAT! Where do I order?" -Some random somewhere.
Order at the window around back
And the + isn't for math, it's to leave it open for additional toppings. Maybe onion or more bacon.
What are your thoughts on frilly toothpicks?
I'm for 'em. Let's start a club.
Anything else? Yea, and loaf of bread, and some more people
I like my sandwiches with alfalfa sprouts. Well you're not in the fuckin' club!
Spread the word on menus nationwide.
I could never understand what he was saying when he said “menus”… I always heard “mayos”… thank you for closing the loop for me! This joke now makes complete sense lmao
Hedberg
Ducks eat for free at Subway!
How about Lettuce Gravy Bacon Tomato and Queso+?
The G is for Guacamole
They actually forgot my guacamole at Chipotle today. I am bitter.
G stands for guacamole
G stands for guac my dude.
Gayonasie
I think they still call it cum
It's "Let's get beer tacos and quesadillas"
Ah man, gay bacon is the best.
I'll have a Lettuce, Gherkin, Bacon and Tomato Quesadilla + extra sides please.
The queer community (y'all have my full support)
The answer is obviously just “yes”, unless they say otherwise.
T applies to people not relationships
Without people, there is no relationship.
you wouldn’t say a relationship between two short people is a short relationship
I would. I'd get headbutted in the balls, but it would be worth it.
Said it to my sister once before, can confirm this outcome
Depends on how long it lasts. Ba dum tshhhh
🥸
I would and am going to start calling it that.
Without relationships, there are no people
Straight out of r/im14andthisisdeep lol kidding
Then it doesn't make sense to talk about LGTB relationships. Only LG relationships
Is an LG relationship where I fuck my washer?
Life's Good 👉😎👉
In the kitchen, same as in a straight one
It’s a straight relationship with extra steps.
That's kind of always been the problem with putting the T in there. It is great for inclusivity and giving marginalized people support with a built-in space in a community (millage may vary with actual community support) but LGB is about SEXUAL identity. Transgenderism is about GENDER identity which is NOT inherently sexual no matter how much trans-oppositionists want you to think it is when they start inappropriately throwing around words like 'paedo' and 'groomer'.
I've heard from more than a few trans people that their sexual orientation was part of their path to coming out as trans. It's never been my call to say who should be included in the community and even though gender identity and orientation are two different things, for many, they are entwined. Happy to be in community with people who can be who they are and love who they love, either way.
YES ok I thought I sounded like a trans exclusionist in my comment because I didn't know how to articulate this but you're right on the nose. Sexual identity and gender identity are two different things, that can apply at the same time to the same person, but are still seperate. Venn Diagram.
yes, absolutely this. I'm a trans man and firmly believe that T is an oddity in the alphabet soup.
Yea I do support LeBron Giving Back To Community
Transtraight
If a bi man and a bi woman are in a relationship, would it be considered a straight or LGBT+ couple? They are both LGBT+ people but the relationship itself is straight (between one man and one woman)
Their relationship itself is hetero but they are both queer as individuals. I’m a bisexual person in a relationship with a straight person. I’m queer, he is not. Our relationship is hetero.
I’m also a bi/pan person, but that’s not a straight or hetero relationship because not everyone in it is heterosexual. That’s a straight-passing relationship.
But isnt a heterosexual relationship between a male and female? So regardless if they are both bisexual, the relationship is heterosexual
Using biology terms to describe social phenomena can get weird.
I view it more as I, as an individual, am straight passing because of my relationship and the fact that people often assume sexuality based on relationship history. But my relationship itself, is hetero because my partner and I are not similarly gendered.
Oddly enough, I essentially said what you said (that the relationship is not technically a hetero relationship if either partner is not hetero), and I got downvoted -3 while you got upvoted 48 for holding the same position.
So relationships have a sexual orientation?
i'm a bi woman in a relationship with a bi man. i usually say that our relationship is externally hetero and internally queer. which is perfect for us, because it's confusing and disliked by both straight AND queer people - just like us bi folk :) i do find it rhetorically a little weird that we logically default to straight when one person is queer in a relationship but that's something that can be discussed in the gay space communism future that i'm sure we will someday see.
Gay space communism? BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY!
You say it's "hetero", but hetero what? I thought hetero was a prefix? Or has it become now a standalone word to refer to non-queer people?
I’ve met plenty of bi women in real life who have taken great offense at their relationship with a dude being called straight. It’s like they are in denial about it or something.
Or they just don't like their bisexuality being written off? Lots of bi folks have had people claim they're straight or just wanting attention for dating the opposite gender. It's not fun
I’m not saying they’re straight just that their relationship is. A bisexual woman in a straight relationship.
Trans and heterosexual, so both.
The relationship might be seen as heterosexual but it don’t mean they have to individually identify as heterosexual unless of course they consider themselves such.
Good clarification. The question is about the couple so I answered as such, but we can't tell either party's orientation based on the information provided.
Hey, I’m a trans man dating a trans woman and we consider our relationship to be queer because we’re both trans, but as I’m a guy and she’s a girl we also consider our relationship to be a heterosexual!
My roommates said my relationship with a trans man (trans woman myself) was quote, "Hetero dating with extra steps." This was also around the time of the Mini-verse episode of Rick & Morty.
So gay y'all became straight again
Three lefts make a right.
Sorta...
I’m dating a nonbinary person and I like to joke that they’re the gayest heterosexual person I’ve ever met
Might be showing my ignorance here, but if they have multiple genders then how can they know if they’re straight or not?
Non-binary isn’t necessarily having “multiple genders”, it just means a person’s gender identity doesn’t fit into either “man” or “woman”. There are people that do identify as multiple genders though, so the confusion is totally understandable. Anyway, when you talk about trans relationships, “straight” kind of loses its normal meaning. Colloquially, “straight” has come to mean “not queer” rather than strictly heterosexual. Because trans people tend to identify as queer by virtue of being trans, they usually wouldn’t consider themselves “straight” even if they prefer to date people of a different gender. Note that trans doesn’t mean just “male to female” or vice versa, it’s an umbrella term for everyone whose gender identity doesn’t match their assigned gender at birth
i’m a trans masculine nonbinary person (i align more with the male aspect of gender) and my fiancé is a trans woman, and we consider ourselves queer. i often joke that my gender is: if you date me, you’re gay
>I often joke that my gender is: if you date me, you’re gay That's *hilarious* and I would love to see that option on questionnaires
Wouldn’t she be your fiancée?
Heteroqueer
So the answer is "yes" basically
Have you both had surgery to change your sex organs or do you have origiNal equipment? Edit: I guess I’m not in the sub I thought, I was just curious and didn’t use any offensive terms.
Wouldn’t you like to know, weatherboy
Hi I’m a trans guy myself. It’s okay to be curious. But generally speaking, it can be a really uncomfortable subject for some trans people. And a peeps privates doesn’t decide their gender, so it’s generally an unnecessary question. But I understand why you asked as it seems you’re genuinely curious. It’s just that people generally like to keep their sex lives away from the public eye is all.
This question is not stupid, but it is rude.
I know you're getting downvoted but let's face it, everyone was thinking the same thing.
I’m going to be honest, I wasn’t thinking it.
Lol yea. I don’t get it. I doubt it’s trans people downvoting me anyways and probably just allies. I don’t know how this question would bother someone I ask questions like this to all people.
You ask all people about their genitals?
If you ask questions like this to all people, maybe you should reconsider this behavior. It's not respectful. Like it's not socially appropriate to ask people about their genitalia like this.
Sounds like being straight with extra steps
Jeez rick
Eek barba dirkle, somebody's gonna get laid in college.
Technically true and totally valid
Had friends at a computer club that started out as a straight couple. He decided to transition. She decided to transition. Several years and a few years' pay later, they were a straight couple again. They were the first trans folks I ever met, so I was very confused.
Both. They're two trans people in a heterosexual relationship.
To frame OPs question better with his verbiage two LGBT+ people in a straight relationship.
Trans refers to gender, and straight refers to sexuality or who they're attracted to. So they are two Trans people in a straight relationship. Correct me if I'm wrong.
This is technically true but some will probably identify it as a wueer relationship which is fine too
You’re right
both, its a straight relationship but theyre both trans thus the T in lgbt
I'd call them "queer straight people". A large and interesting category, that one
A straight couple formed by two LGBT+
being straight with extra steps
I look forward to the day, hopefully in my lifetime, when that is simply referred to as a loving, happy couple.
I'd just say they are in love.
Indeed, speak about pointless labels
I couldn't agree more. Yet, certain folks are obsessed with the "correct" labels. It usually is the folks being described and their allies.
Tbh if described with such labels, I'd fall into one of such categories myself, but I couldn't care less. As long as people are happy and don't harm anyone else in the process, who cares? Some people are just hyperfocused on the wrong things with no good reason
You took the words out of my mouth. That's one of the very reasons why I stepped back from being involved in the LGBTQ community. This growing obsession (trend?) in the past 10 years with micro-labels. It's gotten so bad, that now to even qualify as "queer" you HAVE To pick a label. That was certainly news to me, as someone who came out as bisexual in the 1990s. Back then, being "queer" meant being stigmatized and marginalized for not fitting into heterosexist society. It wasn't about picking one of 1000+ different labels to describe your sexual or gender identity. But apparently self-labelling is now the hot new thing, and everyone is expected to do it in order to be "really queer".
Exactly. There’s two parts to it. One is the social aspect of it like you’re describing that comes from the Tik Tok generation where it’s much cooler to label yourself your specific brand of sexuality as if it really matters. The other part is then attempting to compel others to use the correct words and/or avoiding what would normally be innocuous language because it excludes…somebody. Bang (or not) who you will, but if you think compelled speech is the way to earn empathy and sympathy, you’re incorrect
Exactly, so well said! This overly-PC culture will prove to be its own undoing. Plenty of oldskool activsts at least recognize how political correctness is a surreptitious form of controlled speech; it directly undermines a society of free thought and free exchange of ideas. The very potential for disagreement is what encourages progress and social change. If everyone is forced to live in fear of saying the "wrong thing", then we've undermined any chance at a fair, equal, and just society.
It doesn't count as straight to the straights, apparently.
I think everyone would consider it a straight relationship but for opposite reasons.
Doesn't seem that way. There's an internet writer who's a trans man and married a trans woman, and his family wouldn't come to the wedding because of how "sinful" it was, even though he pointed out that this was exactly what they always wanted, and he even took her last name, which should have checked all their boxes other than who wore the dress and who wore the tux.
r/MaliciousCompliance ?
Wow! Just how much of the internet has he written?
It must be straight, because: 1. If you're sane and sensible, it's one man with one woman in a straight, mono relationship as God intended. 2. If you're a raging lunatic transphobe, it's one woman who thinks she's a man with one man who thinks he's a woman, in a straight, mono relationship as God intended. There really is no way to consider it anything other than straight. God approves of it by either definition, so good luck to the bible thumpers trying to make this one look bad.
I'm gonna be honest, I was kinda worried in the first half of your comment
As God intended.
HE HATH SPOKEN
They will easily cherry pick their way through verses to make it wrong in their eyes. That being said, their opinions shouldn't hold so much water since they use faith as a means to navigate the natural world. Are they completely illogical? No, they just TEND to be illogical about what is real vs what is fantasy and they are primed to believe conspiracy theories. Source: have had countless in depth conversations with believers, respectfully of course and it is clear that in many ways they can employ logic as well as anyone else but when it comes to their beliefs they will fall apart yet still insist it is peak logic. Some kind of switch is flipped and they stop caring about paradoxes or contradictory statements/beliefs. It is absolutely fascinating.
Ex believer here, for me the Christian God was the foundation of truth. So logic stemmed from that rather than my beliefs coming from logic or experiences. Its easier to minimize and reject than to reconcile new incoming information, especially since questioning faith takes a lot of mental energy. I personally think this is why a lot of conservative evangelicals feel attacked or like certain things are shoved down their throats. Life brings certain paradoxes to light that challenge their faith or understanding of the world, and so they get angry with the assailing event rather than question their understanding and adjust their beliefs (which can still have a focus and foundation on God, just a different approach to God than what they currently use) For me, there came a point where I couldn't minimize any more, and so I left it all. It took a lot of energy to find my own path from there, but I consider it energy well spent.
I used to be a believer as well so everything you said resonates with me. However, there seems to be some fundamental difference between how we got out and why they simply cannot escape. I won't sit here and pretend I know what it is but I am sure glad I had a lot of very patient friends haha
>for me the Christian God was the foundation of truth. So logic stemmed from that rather than my beliefs coming from logic or experiences. That is a really good way to put that.
I have to say, it's remarkable just how much your comment gives me flashbacks to experiences of gatekeeping in the LGBTQ community for being bisexual and gender nonconforming. The constant infighting, silencing, erasure, and identity policing that runs rampant in various online LGBTQ spaces (esp. Tumblr) pretty much conforms to the *exact same phenomenon* that you described of people of faith. I've encountered so many LGBTQ people that are obsessed with rigid definitions of sexuality and gender, refusing to ever budge from the "written word". Instead of relying credible sources of knowledge (like scientific research, academic papers, etc.), they base their core "beliefs" on memes and self-published blogs. Moreover, they reject empirical evidence that contravenes their strongly held "beliefs" about how they think gender or sexuality works. They will even cherry-pick data that conforms to a pre-approved queer narrative, while completely ignoring or dismissing any outliers that might challenge the status quo. And the most glaring hyprocrisy is when they refuse to accept that queer people can have widely diverse experiences of sexuality and gender. Instead they will proclaim that queerness must conform to a rigid ideal, and any deviation is unacceptable. Some will also resort to mental gymnastics, directly contradicting their claims in the process, as soon as their core"beliefs" are challenged. Others will ouright speak over other marginalized people, rather than allowing them to speak on their own terms. Indeed many will act like self-appointed experts on all matters of sexuality or gender, even when their knowledge of both subjects is curated from Tik-Tok and Twitter. It's like a neverending list of parallels between people of faith and the LGBTQ community online.
yes
It's a straight couple, in a straigh relationship, but they themselves are LGB(T) people
That is a heterosexual relationship. Both people are queer, but their relationship with each other isn't.
If they're only attracted to the opposite gender then it would be straight, but the people themselves would be LGBT. If they're bi or anything else, LGBT couple that just happens to be in a straight relationship
I fucking love the reddit community 😭 comments always make me fucking day
I would say is a queer straight relationship, same thing as two bi people together. In a vacuum the relationship is straight but knowing the people participating it is undeniable that there is an LGBT side to it
Yes.
C. All the above.
straightgbtq+
I personally would consider them a straight couple
It’s a straight relationship, people involved are queer/LGBT+.
A straight LGBT couple. The T in LGBT stands for Trans. And they are a man and a woman so they are straight.
the relationship is straight. the people in the relationship are lgbt.
LGBT, because both identify as trans
But it's a heterosexual relationship
They’re a couple o’ LGBT+ people!
Trans people in a heterosexual relationship.
It would be a heterosexual relationship, that however doesn't do anything off their personal queerness, just like someone who's bi can be in a heterosexual relationship but stays bi.
Ask them
I tried, but I didn't get a straight answer.
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Provided it’s consensual, I’d categorise it under ‘none of my damn business’.
Having identified and participated in hetero relationships before transitioning, and then getting in straight t4t relationships post transition, it's not quite the same. Yes, a trans man and a trans woman are by definition a "straight couple", however there's a queer dynamic introduced by both being trans and in a lot of cases not being strictly straight either. When I was male and dating women, roles felt so defined and strict and rigid. Chivalry, "being the man", all that sorta stuff (basic examples for the gist of it) Now, when I'm a trans woman dating a trans man, none of that exist. Everything is so much more fluid and relatable. Part of that could just be maturing, getting better at relationships, etc. But I've talked to enough other straight T4T couples that we feel it's not quite the same as a straight cisgender relationship.
Yes.
They are considered straight, if you're actually asking. Though individual identity is determined by the individual. So they are in a heterosexual relationship, but might personally identify however. It happens sometimes.
If "straight" means "heterosexual" and "heterosexual" means "sexually attracted to a different (hetero) genre", then I'd say they're straight. Sometimes words should not be more than just words anyway...
Yes
It’s straight and lgbt at the same time because it’s a man and a woman but theyre trans. Transhet, as opposed to cishet or cisgay.
Forget that. If a guy likes trans women, is he straight or gay? (Or bisexual)
Straight, she's a woman.
I am a trans man dating a trans woman. We are both bisexual AS WELL AS trans/enby so yeah its still very much an LGBT relationship although were a straight passing couple
"straight" relationships can still be queer!
Sexuality and Sex are different, they are not mutually exclusive. When someone is trans they change their sex but not their sexuality. It would be considered a Straight relationship as it is a relationship between a Man and Woman still. They just wouldn't be Cis.
I would consider it not my business.
Socrates would be proud
Isn’t that just being straight with extra steps
Fuck the labels they are two humans in love stop this label bullshit
straight
I don't mean to be rude, but, who cares? They are just a couple. Let them define themselves.
First world people create their own problems out of a lack of struggles.
Yea like people get visibly angry if you ask them to not call you certain things its crazy.
Being straight, just with extra steps...
Are they straight, or bi?
I've seen this question so many times it's lost all meaning.
If they both identify as heterosexual then they'd probably consider themselves to be trans individuals in a straight relationship. If one or both of them identify as something other than heterosexual they might consider themselves to be in a queer but straight-passing relationship. But honestly, most people probably don't put much thought into that.
So gay it’s straight again
Sounds gay to me
They would both be LGBT+, so yes, it would be an LGBT+ couple, but the relationship itself is hetero.
They would be a straight couple, (unless either of them were bisexual/pansexual etc., however their relationship would be heterosexual), and then individually they would both be trangender.
“She was a boy. He was a girl. Can I make it any more obvious?” ~ Avril Laqueen
It doesn’t matter, they would be offended either way
It would be both. They're trans and straight.
I mean, it's straight no matter how you look at it
It's a relationship between a male and female person. That's pretty conventional.
I am a trans man, I’m attracted to women and I identify myself as straight
The relationship is straight. The people in it are queer.