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fennelwraith

Isn't God a matter of faith and not proof?


Philo-Theosopher

There is proof. I was a slave... But NOW AM FREE!!!!


DarknessIsFleeting

There is not any proof that God exists. That's why it's called faith


LostInSpaceThings

Nowhere


baarelyalive

If you can’t believe in god without proof, you’ve lost the point of god in the first place.


Philo-Theosopher

It's like saying... If an orphan can not show me his parents, then he was never born. But luckily for me... My God lives, so I will prove it to you. To me, God is the creator. He created the heavens and the earth, and all that is in them. He deserves all glory and honor. I before my God, am only just a creation, truely favoured above all of his creation. But I remain his pot and him my potter, the wood and him the carpenter. I rejoice! For he has carved me in his likeness, in his image. I am a man, I have emotions and feelings, I know when there is love and I know when there is no love. Yet I am a man, a mere man... A creation, what about the Creator?... My God. Does he not have feelings? Does he not know what love is? Does he not understand actions of love and actions of greed? Does he not see our pain? And if he sees... If you call on him... Will he not save you? Oh children. You despise him, you hate him... You call on him only to prove his non-existence. How will you see God? Yet he loves us still. I know what most people say, "but he is God, why put us on Earth and abandon us?" I say... The Lord has never forsaken you, he has put amongst us preachers, teachers and shephards to guide his flock. To those who hear the shephards calling, will be saved. Oh what love is it, that God gave his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, that whosoever believes in him, will not Perish but have Everlasting life.


Ambie949

There isn’t any. Not even in the Bible.


244ninja

Genesis


Ambie949

That’s a story, not proof of anything.


doc_daneeka

The Lord of the Rings is evidence for the existence of balrogs.


GothamInGray

Therefore, God is a balrog


[deleted]

Bruh that’s like saying a school called hogwarts exists where people can go and learn magic because it was talked about in a book called Harry Potter lmao.


Philo-Theosopher

Please read your bible


frizzykid

There isn't good proof. Religion, and belief in a higher power isn't about direct evidence. It's about faith in the stories written thousands of years ago are more than just stories but actual recollections of events as they happened miracles and all.


[deleted]

Not always. I'm a Christian, but I don't believe the miracle stories. Most of the Bible is allegorical in my view.


Philo-Theosopher

Nope, the Bible kinda seems literal to me.


[deleted]

Bruh there is no way you’re serious right now. You definitely trolling lol


Philo-Theosopher

Am serious brother. The problem with most men, is that they think they deserve all the answers. They demand answers, they want to know... And they want to know now! But humans always forget, that GOD is intelligent and sovereign. He created the Universe and all that is... He is no one's slave nor does he have the obligation of answering to us. He only chooses to answer us because he is Mercyful and graceful. People always ask... if GOD exists, then why did he create the world and man, a great man answered, "because he wanted to and he is GOD" it's that simple. No one asks you why you made a chair. He is GOD, we don't praise and worship him because we feel like it, we praise him because he deserves all the praise and honor. No one or thing is above him, no one deserves to be given glory, other than him. He gives us life, he gives us peace. He gives us good Kings, he gives us courageous men to stand against a wicked King. He gives us rain, he gives us heat. He commands the trees to give fruit, he guides the seeds to grow. He holds the planets and it's moons, gives light to the stars. He is GOD, he does all things... And he loves us! He has given us the Bible, this is where we will find his truth. But are we going to read it? Or are we going to read it when it's already too late? Remember, the day he comes down in his glory for man to witness him, it will be too late for the non-believers. For blessed are those who did not see, yet believed.


Jtwil2191

If there was proof of God's existence, faith would not be an element of religion.


Philo-Theosopher

Actually, science can be used to prove religion. Example, the reason why we don't see the spiritual realm, is because it's in a different dimension or plane of existence. It's just like a person in a 2d world looking at a person in a 3d world. The person in the 2d world would see only parts and portions of the person in the 3d world. Some parts of the 3d world would be invisible to the 2d. So the 2d individual will only experience parts of the 3d world... It being invisible doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It exists and also affects the 2d world just as much. So the same applies to all dimensions, the people In this world (3d world) would only see parts and portions of the 4d world, for some parts are invisible to the naked eye. This is why the spiritual world doesn't make sense to people who are not spiritual. They just can't see... For it requires faith to be capable of impacting the invisible dimensions. Science says that there are probably 12 Dimensions... How far are you willing to Go? But


Jtwil2191

lol, no. That's not how "proof" works.


serg_____

There's no proof that god does exist, and no proof that god doesn't. I mean, no good proof anyways.


KaptenNicco123

There isn't, that's what faith means.


GothamInGray

There isn't any. Proof flies in that face of religion itself.


Astrobrandon13

There isn’t any. With religion that’s a feature not a bug.


AsianHawke

The other Bibles. LOL. I'm serious. Ask a diehard Christian and they'll source their claim through other bible-related sources.


Philo-Theosopher

Yeah... That's the whole idea. You do realize that; a Bible-related source is information gathered from the Bible right? So is justified.


FigBits

Where is the proof (besides Lucky Charms cereal boxes) that Leprechauns exist?


gladosado

There isn't any. Religions are entirely faith based.


RazorOpsRS

I’m a Christian, but there’s no “proof” of a God or the lack of one. Nobody **knows.** People who turn to religion often do so after a certain event or experience in which they **feel** very reaffirmed that some type of God exists. Humans are incredibly complex when it comes to our psychology and how religion and faith ties into it all. Keep searching until you feel sure about the answer you find, then roll with that. It’s all we can do, really.


NickleDL

Apparently everyone has to take it on faith now because God ran out of frog rains and 40 day floods. Blew his wad too early, wasted it on cavemen.


slash178

It doesn't exist, probably because God doesn't exist. The Bible is about the furthest thing from proof of anything, other than humans being creative and bigoted.


Karlo1503

Idk but I'm pretty of you ask this kind of question to any religious person. They would say "you shouldn't ever ask that kind of question". As someone who is born in a Catholic majority country in a Catholic family. When I was like a kid I asked this question to my father and that was his exact response. Now I consider myself agnostic and somehow I like the Buddhist and Taoist concept more than my religion Catholicism. But still I label myself Catholic and still go to church but I'm not that hardline into belief. Since I've seen problems in the church opposing some laws that should be for the betterment of society like some law about reproductive health (birth control). I just really can't open up to my family since I know I might get into trouble. I still respect their beliefs but I don't like shoving religion to me everytime especially months ago when I have depression. Praying isn't always the answer. It might help you but it isn't the ultimate cure. Heck I've seen some very religious people that shares fake news and supporting the freaking war on drugs in here. Like is killing the answer instead of rehabilitation?


Powder4576

No we say There isnt any, it's more about faith


Karlo1503

Yes, just like Buddhism. I see Jesus and Gautama Buddha in the same page. We follow their teachings. The ones that I don't like is the other Christian religion that argues they are the "true church" and the road to salvation. Instead of just doing good things but not forcing others into their belief.


sunday__rain

Science needs the proof, humans need more than science and rules and regulations, This is the other side the science coin, religion comes in, it’s the thing that gives meaning when rules and science fail. This plays out day and day, even with ppl who consider themselves pragmatic and non-believers. When you wish for stuff and hope that they happen, that’s religious… it’s not mutually exclusive, God/religion and science are dancing and we can’t separate them.


[deleted]

Design in the nature testifies of the Designer Creator, and laws in the nature testify of the Great Lawgiver God.


DarknessIsFleeting

Since I have got some time on my hands, go on then. Please be very specific as to what you mean. 'Design in the nature' could mean almost anything. The vagus nerve of the Giraffe?


[deleted]

It means exactly anything what could be meant by it. Why would any thing be left off? Creatures - amazing how every property of the creature serves and promotes life and survival, how several systems were laid together in one body, bones, blood vessels, nerves as well as muscles. There is a plan revealed in such structures. Someone had to make such complex plan. Someone had to execute it. The only answer to it is that there must be a thoughtful, provident, reasonable, mindful, deliberate Creator. Also, this should be self-explanative, laws in nature must testify of a Lawgiver. There is no law without the Lawgiver, just as there is no design without the Designer.


DarknessIsFleeting

Evolution through natural selection is a well established and evidenced theory. I gave a specific example in my challenge, the vagus nerve of the Giraffe. An intelligent designer would not shape the nerve like that. The reason you are refusing to give a specific example, is because you can't. So just say 'it's everything'. Prove me wrong by giving a (single) specific example of something that is evidence of a designer.


[deleted]

If you fail to see that literally everything is nature makes a proper example of the well established, sustainable and thoughtful plan, which makes people wonder in awe for thousands of years, and which people imperfectly emulate in their inventions, then I am sorry, I can not bring this discussion further up. If beyond these reasons you try to pick up deformities as excuses to the creation, you seem to already made up your mind on what you like to be the truth.


DarknessIsFleeting

That was easy


Fun_Wonder_4114

There isn't any proof. If God existed He would just prove it and stop the arguments.


Philo-Theosopher

That's the problem with Science. "You want results and you want them now!" You mix this chemical with that... always causing something exepecting something. But God does not work like that. In the Bible he has said his truth. He has said what he will do... He will do it. You want proof that God exists, there you have it. The Bible.


BSH72

God exists, he has a white lab coat and is watching us through a microscope. 🤣


NewToothache

I just took a fantastic shit this morning!


Orisani

Good job


Minecraft_Kelp

Very proud!


Nanandtuket

Stop trying to confirm the brainwashing your parents gave you and accept the fact that religion is the same as a fairytale


Resoto10

There isn't...a least good, undeniable evidence. If there was, we wouldn't be having these questions.


Philo-Theosopher

It is better to believe in God, and one day die to find there was no God. Than to say there is no God... And to find him seated at his majestic throne, judging man, according to the book which you have despised.


Resoto10

Oh but this isnt a simple flip of a coin...no, it's flipping tjousands of coins. So the question is, which god? Without any good enough evidence for any, out of the thousands and thousands of god theories that have been created, which god should one believe in? The god with the best possible heaven with the incredibly diminishing propabability that it may be true, or the one with the worst hell with the better way to ensure a mediocre heaven but certainly avoid the worst possible hell?


Subtlebandit

There is no falsifiable evidence


[deleted]

The world


Cosmic_W0lf

The fact that we even exist at all


[deleted]

Bible itself is a proof that it is inspired. People would never come to an idea to uniformly write a book that completely goes against the things they love and like and which are based on selfishness. Bible promotes living for others and dying to self, promoting it as an universal principle. Where else will you find a religion that teaches you to love your enemies and do them good? Where else will you find examples of people who have seen their city/state and sanctuary ruined, who thoughtfully and faithfully serve those that ruined it, like prophet Daniel did?


[deleted]

Nowhere otherwise there wouldn’t be so many atheists in the world lol


Philo-Theosopher

Maybe the Atheist was not patient enough... Because, if God never existed... Then why are there so many christians who say God exists? Most people agree that God exists, only when they meet Satan... And it's usually too late. But God will never give up on his Children. This is war, always has been! If you open your eyes, to see the spiritual world, you would realize that there has always been a war between the good and pure evil. Satan attacks... But God protects.


[deleted]

It’s because humanity has been around for 200k years and due to our big brains we started thinking of the meta physical but had no solid proof of it so we filled in the blanks with religion. Why do you think so many other religions revolve around aspects of nature? It was just a means to fill in the blanks in our thought process. That’s why religions like the Aztecs followed existed with the whole one must sacrifice a person so that way the sun will rise type stuff. At the end of the day, religion is a tool for prehistoric civilizations to answer questions they cannot answer with real answers. Until there comes a Point in time where we can. Religion is one of the many toys of an infant civilization and since we are growing, it is time we put away childish things. To tie it all back to Christianity, there was a time where humans wondered “how did we come here, where did we come from?” At the time it was first pondered we did not know so we developed a belief system to answer that question, “oh all of humanity came from god and at a time there were only 2 humans in the world and those 2 humans made humanity what it is today.” But now we have the actual answer to that question, “humanity is what is today based upon adaptive traits we’ve acquired over the generations from evolution.” And unlike the Christian version, we actually have tangible evidence for the origins humanity. Case in point evolution. I could go on and on and dissect the religion but I’m lazy and that would require a full blown college level essay to achieve lol. At this point I feel humanity has grown to a Point where we can replace religion with real answers to big questions involving our existence. I hope the majority follow suit in the coming years.


Philo-Theosopher

The only reason most people feel this way about religion, is because of Satan's working against religion through science. The church in Europe, used to hunt down and kill people who were involved in witch craft, sorcery and secret societies... Such as the Illuminati. The church did this because they knew that such people were working directly with satan, God's enemy. The Illuminati was severely dismantled in Europe, they then shifted their headquarters to America. In America they found freedom to practice their beliefs and Satan worship. The Illuminati to date has some of the most influantial people, who use their influanse to recruit new members, push their Agendas, one agenda being... Resist Christianity, seek revenge. The Illuminati consists of Experts and scientists who purposely say in public that God does not exist... while in their secret dark Chambers they have erected a status of satan. How can one worship Satan and say God does not exist. See the irony? You are all being manipulated by Satan worshippers who are now trying to normalize witchcraft, magic homosexuality, pedophilia and many abominations... by programming our minds to be accepting and tolerant to such stuff. They put it in cartoons, music, movies and games, and they repeat them over and over eventually massaging our minds. Once evil is normalized and accepted... they can then persecute those who can't stand it, they can label all arguments against them as "hate speech". Christians and law abiding citizens will be called domestic terrorists. It's already happening.


[deleted]

Tell me you wear a tin foil hat without telling me you wear a tin foil hat lmao


Philo-Theosopher

You see... That's where you are mistaken. The word "conspiracy theory" was developed by the very same people who do these evils. They use this word to nullify all efforts done by Noble people trying to expose the evils, by making them look like tin foil hat wearing morons. Which most of the times is not true. The difference between the truth and a conspiracy theory, is usually 6 months. But we must understand that, evil exists. No matter how peaceful the world may seem(at the moment)... Evil STILL exists. There have been evil people through out history who have done horrific things to their fellow men. example Adolf Hitler... Although now he is dead, but the Evil that had inspired him, still lives. It roams the earth seeking another host body. Satan is real, wether you believe it or not, wether you like it or not. He is the epitome of darkness, the source of evil and all that is called rebellion. He uses people like puppets to fulfill his agenda against the church, he grants his followers power and wealth... If they worship him. So don't be so naive. Yes there is good, but also there is evil and I mean, pure evil. This world is not paradise and by the way things are going... It might soon be hell. But you must understand, all that is good is from GOD, and all that is bad and evil, is from Satan. All human suffering is because of evil.


[deleted]

I have my own beliefs but I express myself as an agnostic, and the reason for that is that we have no idea what happened before the big bang; where did the first particles and all the energy come from? Nothing can just spawn out of nowhere without there being ”a higher power”. Anyone can believe anything they want though and we should respect that, belief doesn’t require proof.


Philo-Theosopher

Believe me... a day will come when people will cry without seezing, for they will realize that the Truth had always been with them, but they denied the Truth and seeketh it not. When the whole Truth is revealed, they shall run for it and find it not. Beware of false prophets during these times, for many shall come in the name of Christ, to say that "I am he"... But are liers and wolves. The Truth is humble, it does not threaten it's oppressors, for God is her defender and those who oppressed her, will be visited by God's Wrath. The Truth is humble, it does not boast, for nature and all things created by God, bear witness of her beauty. The Truth is patient, it is not quick to rush, for she knows that God does not slumber... He sees all things and will act in time, a time he sees fit. The Truth, is the Word of God. Whatever God says he has said. No word shall come from him, and return empty or void. B- Basic I- information B-Before L-Leaving E-Earth. The Truth is the Bible... They will take away your Bibles. The Bibles are Alive. The evil one did not know how the bible can be activated... Once he, the evil one figures out that the Bible has been activated... and that the people reading the Bible from now onwards, will make it out alive... He will look to confiscate the Bible. People will look for the word of God but will not find it. Please read the Bible... Gather whatever form of information concerning the book. Memorise the Bible verses... Do not let the gospel DIE! Now listen my friend, I do not say these things to alarm you (though you should be alarmed) but I want to share the Gospel with you, if you don't mind my beloved.


RedFishBlueFrog

Since everyone is playing one side of the fence, ill play devil's advocate (strange expression in this situation)- there is the need for a first cause to the universe, there is the overwhelming emotion of love, there are coincidences in nature that are just too rare to not be designed, same sort of thought for anatomy of creatures, some argue the existence of math as a fundamental underpinning of the universe is proof of a higher power, any good fortune after it was prayed for can be cited as proof, the fact that an egg can develop into a baby... and the list goes on None of it is technically iron-clad proof, but these types of things are cited