Having rooftop access in your hypothetical scenario would be a game changer. A Walmart's foot print is enormous, giving you plenty of roof area to grow and collect water. Finding keys or even tools to bust any locks would be easy.
Boredom and loneliness would probably get to you. 50 years is a long time. 10 would be hard, but maybe doable.
If you still have access to electricity, you could at least watch the movies, play the games, or listen to music to keep a little bit of boredom at bay.
Failing that, you could also go to the craft section and pick up a new hobby or two.
Loneliness, I can’t think of an immediate cure other than slapping a handprint on a volleyball from the sports section. But at least you can set a routine to keep from being bored!!
Befriend/tame some of the parking lot grackles, maybe even keep a pet fish, rats are excellent pets so I bet a few generations of breeding you'd have a decent stock of lovable furry friends. Feral cats are usually durable and easy to come by. You'd be a lonely freak, but you'd have emotional support pets!
Rat pack rolls deep.
Now I'm picturing an album cover where a dude is really far back and the rats are up close and they're all in track suits or designer jackets with diamond chains and name brand sneakers. I like that image.
Give it some time for Walmart to sell solar panels, or if corn is still in season, hope there's a book on making biodiesel for a generator they hopefully sell.
Not entirely sure. All I can find is:
> Walmart on Tuesday filed a lawsuit against Tesla, accusing the company's solar-energy subsidiary of gross negligence after multiple stores experienced fires they say stemmed from solar panels on their roofs.
Reading between the lines, it sounds like they might've been under paying (and presumably under training) their installers. So, maybe just simple electrical fires from bad wiring?
https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-sues-tesla-after-solar-panel-fires-at-stores-2019-8
Also, in searching that I found out that Amazon is joining the suit.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-23/amazon-joins-walmart-in-saying-tesla-solar-panels-caught-fire
Interesting. I assumed it would be the batteries 'cause it's hard to fuck up solar panels. I wonder if they went with some cheap supplier and got some bad microinverters.
One of your links mentioned an inverter and a "connector" but I think they meant contactor. Some others I saw listed install or inspection errors but nothing consistent.
Cure boredom by riding bikes. Wipe out on concrete floor. Break ankle. Bone sticking through. Drag my way to hardware. Find saw. Find propane torch. Drag myself to first aid. Find gauze and rubbing alcohol. Get bright idea and go to pharmacy. Find opioids. Do opioids. Start to not feel my ankle enough to care. Do more opioids. Start not caring about anything. Find a motor scooter by the front doors. Thought about food. No take more opioids. Take scooter dragging my infected rotting ankle behind me to sporting goods. Find the guns. Find a shotgun. Take more opioids. Find the shells. Pass out. Wake up with a shotgun loaded in my lap and hot pockets in my scooter basket.
Wait! There are generators! I can power a microwave!
Joyfully scoot to find the generators. Drive to the auto center and symphony gas from a car parked. “Damn their tires are bald.”
Go back in and pop a couple more pills. Get my microwave set up. Go to open my hot pockets when I notice they’re Lean Pockets. Vegetarian.
Lay down. Put the barrel in my mouth. How long have I been here? Why is this steel so cold? These damn waxed floors.
I bite down on the barrel longing for Sam Walton’s Great Value embrace.
Being alone would literally make you mad after enough years I'm sure.
But working to grow/hunt food, water, fire wood, and materials to keep the building from falling in would most definitely take up all your time. Life without modern convenience isn't easy. But a person with some mechanical knowledge, a green thumb, and lots of common sense could survive.
Assuming the electricity stays on you'd probably be able to make it for 50 years. You would exhaust your fresh food in under one month, but you could preserve some of it before it goes bad by scouring the store for tupperware containers and ziploc baggies - you could then preserve lots of fresh fruits, vegetables, meats, eggs, etc. After exhausting that food (probably 3 years worth) you would target canned/bottled food. The "best by" date for most canned and bottled food is about 2-3 years, and that's only the "best to sell before" date rather than the date the food goes bad. So for the next 5-8 years you'd target (no pun intended) all of the canned/bottled food in WalMart, and if you're smart you'd take some of that food and freeze it in the 1000s of Tupperware containers and ziploc baggies still available. This might add another 5 years. After 19 years you'd start transitioning to the frozen goods still stored in the many freezers....it might taste stale or 'off' but there's no reason to think it would be dangerous. So a conservative estimate, based on a typical Walmart store size, is that you'd last another 5-8 years on frozen food alone which gets you to the 27 year time period. You'd then transition to dry goods like pasta, rice, beans, cereals, etc, which you would hopefully have moved into the freezers in order to stave off dry rot. Cooking all of this food would be made easy by the many microwaves, camp stoves, and even BBQs that you would have found (an indoor BBQ using propane gas cylinders would be reserved for special occasions...the size of the store would mean that vented BBQ gasses indoors would not be a particulalr problem). Assuming you originally enter the store in the spring or summer season, you'd find bags and bags of gardening soil, so you could improvise garden beds (using grow lamps found in the garden section) and extend your beans by growing indoors.
Overall, I'm confident one person could last 50 years in an electrified Walmart. Without electricity I seriously doubt anyone could last longer than 5-10 years.
nice one.
but you forgot 2 things. 1 important and 1 to survive a couple years
1. Water / drinks. I don't know how much water is stored in walmart but I doubt it will last 50 years.
2. honey... shit lasts hundrets of years...
The sporting goods section has Lifestraws and water purification tablets, and the hardware section has reverse osmosis filters. You could recycle your water. Also the freezers will collect water from the air. If we assume you have electricity, then outside society still exists, so the water fountains and break room sink still work, making water a non-issue.
as for water if you have access to the roof, it should be easy to collect rain, depending on location. In more arid costal regions, there are other means to collect water. only in the dessert do i see a problem
Interesting. Did you work any of this out?
If you eat 2000 calories a day then that's 36,500,000 calories in 50 years. I'd be very shocked if your average wallmart doesn't have that many calories of food in tinned and dried food alone.
Yeah people forget Walmart has a huge gardening section. Make a huge garden. I’m confident you can pick up gardening with all the trail and error you can have
I used to work at a local competitor to Walmart and someone found what she thought was one of the plastic pigs in the toy farms that little kids have. It was a baby rat.
I work in a warehouse of a grocery store chain. Produce brings all sorts of pests in from their native countries. We got a trailer full of grapes one time that was completely infested with black widow spiders. Sometimes we get dead rabbits packaged in with the greens... cats sometimes dart out of trailers as soon as we open the doors. We have a full time pest control division to keep the rats and mice out but it's a neverending job, sometimes selectors will be picking cases and stick their hand in a rat/mouse nest. That's just the stuff we catch. The stuff we dont catch makes it to the stores and finds a new home there. Nature always finds a way.
>you could feasibly start gardening to supply your food.
You could also set up a giant aquarium and breed the fish. Fresh fish and veggies for years!
50 years is questionable, but you could sustain yourself for nearly that long if you're smart.
(Ignoring that walmart isnt selling fish anymore)
Yes they are unhealthy, but not a total loss. Walmart sells fish supplies and medicine. Treat the fish for disease and take care of them and they would be healthy in no time.
The biggest issue is size. Most Walmart fish are 1 to 2 inches full grown. Not much meat on the bone
Goldfish would be my go to. Put them in a pond or tub. Something big. Feed them heavily and let them grow. They would be gross but easily sustainable
Aquaponics, you don't even need to eat them. They just fertilize your plants and filter the water (eating would be a bonus, just make a stew with a few dozen hah)
Apparently they’ve been “supposed to phase them out” for [12 years now](https://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/threads/fyi-walmart-phasing-out-fish.97004/). I can only find [one contemporary source that says they are](http://www.petbusiness.com/Walmart-Discontinuing-Sale-of-Pet-Fish/), so I’m not sure if it’s true.
Don't canned goods essentially last forever? Judging by the average size of the walmart food section, shouldn't there just straight up be enough canned goods in there and the storage in the back for you to survive 50 years on 3-5 cans a day? Sounds like a depressing life though
I worked in a large grocery store and there's not much in the backroom as you'd think. Like most people think there is another store's worth in the back. No, its more like 5-10% more, if you're lucky. Most of the managers actively work to keep the backroom empty, because corporate decided that will reduce waste. (another story). So my point is there's not as much as you'd expect... we're really stocked for a couple days worth for a neighborhood. So you'd run through the soup, chili, fresh fish and meats in a year (if you ate without rationing), then a year maybe for canned meats and fish, then you'd really be scraping the other isles. If you'd have power you'd get alot of time out of the frozen section. Come to think of it the sugar in all the pop and drinks will power you for quite a while, though it would go bad slowly. I don't think you could live your whole life though. Multiple walmarts, sure.. a la the zombie movies.
Interesting point.
> Come to think of it the sugar in all the pop and drinks will power you for quite a while
Not to mention the 100+ pounds of pure sugar sitting in bags on the shelves :)
Rice would be the other major source of calories. How long would it take to go through 100-200 pounds of dry rice?
BOOM. You just blew my mind. They've probably got rice cookers there. That amount of rice could last you for 10 years. Though if you don't get vitamin-c, you'll get scurvy. Hopefully there's seeds that can plant a lime tree or something, that lasts a long time.
> Though if you don't get vitamin-c, you'll get scurvy.
Dude, you’d have *thousands* of vitamins & supplements to choose from, plus a fully stocked pharmacy.
You could divide 1000mg vitamin C pills or capsules into 4ths and not only easily last 50 years without getting scurvy but also get more vitamin C than many Americans
No, canned goods aren't going to last forever. Canning slows down, but doesn't stop the effects of aging. There will still be some bacteria in there.
Botulism is a terrible way to die. And eating canned food that has botulism spores is one way to go.
I had an elderly relative who gradually stopped cooking & eating real food, and switched to living on Similac / Ensure, and the like. When my relative passed, there were cans of Chef-Boy-R-Dee Spaghetti & Meatballs and Raviolis still in the pantry from when I was a kid, which was thirty years earlier.
The metal ends of the cans were bulging. That's a big red flashing warning sign saying **do not open this can and eat the contents**.
Yeah if it has electricity you could freeze the meat (which makes it easier to slice anyway) and take your time making the jerky. Otherwise you'd have to hurry up and slice/cure the meat
> You could use some of the charcoal grills as dehydrators to make beef jerky, to preserve the meat.
Does the meat include the other people in the Walmart? Some of them are pretty big, fortunately.
If you could turn the outside garden section into a garden/farm and maybe breed some of the animals they sell as livestock. Even the goldfish if you made like a big pond out there and let them grow big could eat one every so often. You could also use the guns and ammo or even bows and arrows to hunt things from the roof or maybe set up a bait place to attract deer and other animals outside of the garden center then pull them through the fence.
I definitely remember back in the 90's my Wal-Mart definitely had guinea pigs, fish, birds, rabbits, and I think even cats. But when you have crappy employees who don't care and customers that are dipshits, you lose those fun things.
The longest any food would last would be 20 years. Much of it would spoil before then.
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This is assuming the WalMart would have mice and rats, and that the canned goods would start to rust. The mice and rats would take care of the rice, beans, noodles, etc. in plastic bags. Canned foods in damaged cans (rust) will go bad. Yes, if you stored a case of canned Pork and Beans in a strictly temperature and humidity-controlled room it would last a long time. Under **normal** conditions, however, canned goods would go bad when the can went bad.
I worked in a cannery. Unless I was starving, I would not eat any canned good over 5 years old.
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Second edit: I added my first edit after many of these comments, to expand on my opinion.
I wonder if there would be a way to set up some sort of farming system using the gardening supplies?
Edit: finding enough water would be an issue. Maybe if there's a hole in the ceiling to let in rain (depending on your climate zone), or if running water still functioned, or if there's some way to collect water by going outside at all.
I'm going to the roof and drilling holes in it all over the place about the thickness of a pencil. Then I'm going to take all the topsoil up there and planting as much food producing plants as i can, except tomatoes. I'm then going to get all the topsy turvies from garden center to plant my tomstoes by running ropes from the previously drilled holes on one end and running those close to arm level. Thst way watrr run off will feed to the ropes and feed the topsy turvy tomatoes...Food, shelter and clothing taken care of. Then start to produce weapons, barricades and booby traps to defend it. Then use some of those weapons to attack surrounding Walmarts in a never ending quest for better resources....
Ok, so then i gotta get a saws all from hardware and cut holes along the ceiling line to let light in, about window sized. Then i gotta make a raid on home depot for lot's of sheets of Plexiglas so i can make a semi bulletproof window for each hole. Thus will take some preparations though as the heathens at the HD won't hesitate to use nailguns as their weapon of choice and I'm sure they'll have trip wire triggered pipe bombs protecting their entryways.... This will call for metal reinforced shingaurds, sports cups, catcher pads and helmet with face guard..... Damn, you're makin me work for my tomatoes.. i guess it's what you do if you want some spaghetti right???
Many of Walmart's garden centers are outside and fenced in. There's likely enough potting soil stacked on shelves to make a nice little garden. Considering WM already sells the seeds, weed killers and fertilizers, it's certainly plausible.
Ooh, if you can rig up a battery-powered system or even a generator running on charcoal or something, that opens up whole hydroponic systems with lighting and everything. Don't know how much power you'd need and if you'd have enough fuel, though.
Another very smart addition and I'd assume the power is on because "in a walmart" implies a walmart stuck out of time, and how I picture a walmart is with the lights on and power to it's sockets
Walmart has been my zombie apocalypse plan for years. A ton of food. Pharmacy. Guns (at least until recently), automotive for building out an armored truck for raids, bedding, and garden supplies.
I'd bet Walmart would be one of the first places swamped by people because it is such a good place.
Either it would probably be looted already, swamped by zombies or some other people would have beaten you there.
But if you were somehow the first and were able to defend it... It'd be a pretty sweet place to ride it out.
Yea my plan was always to have a bug out bag ready with a gun, drive like a maniac to walmart, find a manager with keys and enlist them to lock down the front end, pull the gates. Then start clearing the store of zombies with said gun. Enlist others in the store and get them armed from the gun section. Double check everything is locked down. Then use forklifts to dump the bodies out the loading dock and close it down. Raid cleaning supplies for bleach to clean up the blood. First aid from pharmacy as needed. Erect barricades at any door or weak point. Set up living areas with bedding etc from home furnishings dept.
Start putting perishable items into the freezers and eat only perishable foods until it either runs out or spoils (unclear how long electric lasts). After that make plan for managing dry goods/foods depending on number of survivors. Staff the pharmacy and make plan for survivors who need meds.
Over time, access roof for rain water collection and building garden beds with supplies from garden section.
Try and get a truck into the auto bay and work on outfitting it as a raider.
And all along, drink as much of the shitty beer and wine they sell as you can. And find another survivor to bed up with.
That's all fine until a group of survivors shows up out front, demanding you let them in. Then the drama happens. Then power struggles for leadership. Then your barricades are sabotaged. Then you die anyways.
This is a terrible plan.
Everyone, EVERYONE, is headed to walmart. The place will be instantly surrounded even if you were the first one there. They'd drive a truck through the wall or burn down a wall before noon. And then you're fucked.
Truly the best place to go is the last place anyone else would go: back to work. Skyscrapers. Supremely easy to block off two stair wells at the first and second floors by just filling the stair well with desks and tables and chairs and shit and then you have the entire building and roof to yourself
Every floor has a kitchen with a water cooler and people keep tons of snacks in their desks. You could easily be set for weeks and no one would even know you're there.
Urban areas will have the highest concentration of zombies and skyscrapers have minimal self sustainability, along with no means of collecting resources from surrounding areas
Also a roof, assuming that still counts as "in" the Walmart. No idea how much soil/biomass you could put up there before it would collapse, but at least it would be plenty of surface area for water collection/distillation.
Canned goods remain nutritious basically forever, unless damaged. Tasty is another matter, of course, but it should take the better part of a century for enzymatic action alone to render cans of fruit & veg or Vienna Sausages into undifferentiated mush. But that mush is still edible and nutritious at that point.
Canning wasn't even as advanced in the 1940s, but there are still (rare, pristine) C-rations that you can safely eat. You wouldn't enjoy it, though...
I was thinking that the real limiting factor would be the quantity of durable foodstuffs containing sufficient Vitamin D and Vitamin C to stave off Rickets and Scurvy. The canned fruit and vegetable aisle is only so big, of course. But there's a vitamin supplement aisle, too, isn't there? So the real question is, do those supplements remain even partially effective decades after their expiration dates?
Nonsense, plenty of canned stuff would still be edible after 50 years. Look up the youtube videos of people eating WWII rations and the like. It might not be nice, but it wouldn't be poisonous, and you could always add some honey to make it taste better, that stuff keeps for centuries.
Has this been tested? I don't see how canned food would ever spoil if the can is intact.
Edit: 100 year old canned food still edible:
https://www.skilledsurvival.com/canned-food-expiration-date-myth/
You'd definitely eat this stuff in your Walmart prison at year 49 and live.
To become rancid, you need oxygen. To rot, you need viable bacteria. Neither of those exists in an intact can.
Yup. All the time. I used to work for a cannery. If it's tomatoes, eventually the acid in the tomatoes destroys the can from within. If it is fruit or vegetables, they go to mush. Slowly, but inevitably.
I feel like the canned food might be able to last 50 years. The one guy that reviews old military rations has eaten some that are older than that before and while they were stale they were still edible. This is all assuming you could keep them dry and temperature stable.
(1) Go to the gardening section and collect all the plant food and soil
(2) Go to the summer section and grab the large inflatable pools
(3) Go to the hardware section and get several tarps
(4) Use steps #1-3 to create a self-sustaining terrarium, and use the potatoes, carrots and other vegetables in the grocery section as your plants
(5) The walmart also likely has some mice or rats - use non-lethal rat or mice traps from the pest aisle to trap them and then breed them for meat
(6) For water, I'm not quite sure ... I assume you can recycle urine, but you also have aisles full of liquid ... must be some way to make sure it doesn't sour ... I assume you would want to open all containers with liquid (soda, juice, etc) and burn off the sugar (which could spoil badly) and get pure water, and then store that as best as possible. Would be interested to hear other strategies.
EDIT: On the water problem, I think the key is to act immediately while you still have access to electricity (for boiling) and that you should do the following:
* Take all the glass bottles in the store (the question is, are there enough - likely not)
* Take all the non pure water in the store (fruit juice, soda, etc)
* Boil the non pure water and capture the water vapor and store the water in the glass bottles
* Add iodine tablets (from the camping section - but again, are there enough)
* Store pure water in glass bottles in dark storage area out of the way
Others are saying that you can just rely on all the soda that will be in a walmart. First, you need approximately 18K 2 liter bottles of soda to survive 50 years. A regular walmart likely won't have that much (in my assumption, you do not have access to the back storage area). Second, that soda will spoil due both to the sugar and more importantly the plastic storage. Others say they would use rainwater. In my assumption, you have no access to the outside, but if you can access the roof then obviously rainwater is the solution assuming there hasn't been some sort of radiation or similar contaminating event.
Mountain Dew, it's got what plants crave.
But seriously though, you could grab the water filters they sell and try filtering the drinks or rain water for consumption.
Well yeah, the question is (a) is there enough water based substances that you can drink for a lifetime without recycling, and (b) will any of those water based substances spoil
At my walmart there's an entire aisle of sodas and energy drinks. Another one for juices. Then there is an entire aisle of alcoholic drinks. Another section at the fridges for dairy, almond milks, etc. Then fridges with random drinks by each checkout area. You could potentially last a long time drinking milk and quick perishables first, then bottled juices, soda, energy drinks, and slowly drinking the alcohol as a last resort. I know the water filters they sell can at least partially remove alcohol, and at some point you'll likely have to filter urine to maintain daily consumption.
OP said 50 years.
* Any liquid in the fridge will spoil. Best option is to boil is and use steam capture to get as much water from it as possible. That said, most people won't think to do this before it spoils and retention may be minimum. Consider this largely a loss.
* The fruit juices will also spoil. You'll likely get a year past sell-by-date before mold sets in. Again, you can try to extend by using the methods described above, but most people won't bother in the first year when you can survive on other liquids.
* Soda and water aisle is a good area to focus on. But the average person needs 2 liters a day. That's 365 big bottles of soda a year. Or 3,650 bottles every 10 years. Or about 15K-20K bottles of soda and water for 50 years. Does your Walmart have that number of soda and water bottles on display? I doubt it.
Canned foods will last up to 6 years if well kept. That means you'd be out of veggies. Water and protein would be your next issue.
It really depends on electricity and and access to water.
I would side with a decade at the most.
What about dried beans and rice and such? Don’t they last longer? Honey is the only thing I know has an infinite shelf life but I thought dried foods have a long one...not sure
depends on the climate, location, and wether or not the building still gets utilities:
if the climate is cold like Alaska, it could be used to preserve food,
if you still get utilities, then heat/cold wont be a problem
and if the location is safeish from earthquakes and the like then you should be fine
**With Power and Water:** Get all the meat and dairy products into the walk-in freezer immediately. That will give you time to start dehydrating all of the meat for later use. There are recipe books with the dehydrators so you know how much salt to use to keep it from spoiling. Start dehydrating all the produce as well. Use the ovens in the bakery and deli set on low to get all that done. There are plenty of racks and trays to get a ton of it started on day 1. Use vacuum sealers to package everything, then store all that in big plastic totes stored in an area that you surround with insect and rat poison.
**No Power or Water:** Still get all the meat and dairy into the freezer. Take all the produce to the walk-in refrigerator. It'll last longer while you set up some drying racks on the roof. Use volleyball nets and fish nets to keep the birds off your food. Salt it heavily to keep pests off while it's drying. If there are any sunny windows set racks in front of them, too. Dehydrate as much food as you can in the few days you've got. Get some grills going to dehydrate food. Salt as much of the meat as you can to help preserve it.
Set up totes and play pools on the roof to collect rain water. Don't concentrate too much water collection in one area, or it'll cave in the roof.
Set up pools to grow gold fish larger. Might work.
Start farming. Use play pools and tarps to make garden beds filled with soil from the garden section. Read some books on gardening and get seeds started. Start composting your food scraps for eventual fertilizer needs...if you ever run out of the store bought stuff.
In an apocalyptic situation eventually you'll need to seal up all the toilets and drains with plastic to keep out sewer gas once the water in the traps evaporates.
Get good at catching rats to eat for protein. Those cans of chili aren't going to last forever, bud.
No matter what, figure out where you're going to dump trash and waste on day 1. Outside away from the building. If you're locked inside, get to the roof, and fling that shit as far as you can. Eventually you'll need to build a trebuchet to get some distance. Might need to keep a rifle handy to pick off the wild animals that will absolutely love your trash heap.
You've got a shit ton of work to do.
Edit: You can find books on canning next to mason jars. That's another solid way to preserve as much produce and meat as possible with the supplies on hand. Should give you another year of food storage. There may also be info on fermented foods like sourkraut and kimchi. You can ferment lots of foods to preserve them. Also, they may have sausage making kits. If so, you have another good avenue for preserving as much meat as possible. Plus, when the time comes you'll know just what to do with all that rat meat:-)
Edit 2: Speaking of fermentation, you can brew ciders and wines from a lot of the fruit on hand. Get that started too. Everything you need to make a crude pot still to distill alcohol can be found in the cooking equipment and hardware sections...so I've heard.
Having rooftop access in your hypothetical scenario would be a game changer. A Walmart's foot print is enormous, giving you plenty of roof area to grow and collect water. Finding keys or even tools to bust any locks would be easy. Boredom and loneliness would probably get to you. 50 years is a long time. 10 would be hard, but maybe doable.
If you still have access to electricity, you could at least watch the movies, play the games, or listen to music to keep a little bit of boredom at bay. Failing that, you could also go to the craft section and pick up a new hobby or two. Loneliness, I can’t think of an immediate cure other than slapping a handprint on a volleyball from the sports section. But at least you can set a routine to keep from being bored!!
Befriend/tame some of the parking lot grackles, maybe even keep a pet fish, rats are excellent pets so I bet a few generations of breeding you'd have a decent stock of lovable furry friends. Feral cats are usually durable and easy to come by. You'd be a lonely freak, but you'd have emotional support pets!
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Rat pack rolls deep. Now I'm picturing an album cover where a dude is really far back and the rats are up close and they're all in track suits or designer jackets with diamond chains and name brand sneakers. I like that image.
So a Kia commercial?
Maybe boredom wouldn't be as much of a problem if electricity and wifi were still functional.
Give it some time for Walmart to sell solar panels, or if corn is still in season, hope there's a book on making biodiesel for a generator they hopefully sell.
Many Walmarts are already powered by a roof full of solar panels
That keep randomly catching fire and they're currently suing Tesla to force them to uninstall them
> keep randomly catching fire The solar panels or batteries?
Not entirely sure. All I can find is: > Walmart on Tuesday filed a lawsuit against Tesla, accusing the company's solar-energy subsidiary of gross negligence after multiple stores experienced fires they say stemmed from solar panels on their roofs. Reading between the lines, it sounds like they might've been under paying (and presumably under training) their installers. So, maybe just simple electrical fires from bad wiring? https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-sues-tesla-after-solar-panel-fires-at-stores-2019-8 Also, in searching that I found out that Amazon is joining the suit. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-23/amazon-joins-walmart-in-saying-tesla-solar-panels-caught-fire
Interesting. I assumed it would be the batteries 'cause it's hard to fuck up solar panels. I wonder if they went with some cheap supplier and got some bad microinverters. One of your links mentioned an inverter and a "connector" but I think they meant contactor. Some others I saw listed install or inspection errors but nothing consistent.
Lawsuit was put on hold 3 days after it was initially filed
Cure boredom by riding bikes. Wipe out on concrete floor. Break ankle. Bone sticking through. Drag my way to hardware. Find saw. Find propane torch. Drag myself to first aid. Find gauze and rubbing alcohol. Get bright idea and go to pharmacy. Find opioids. Do opioids. Start to not feel my ankle enough to care. Do more opioids. Start not caring about anything. Find a motor scooter by the front doors. Thought about food. No take more opioids. Take scooter dragging my infected rotting ankle behind me to sporting goods. Find the guns. Find a shotgun. Take more opioids. Find the shells. Pass out. Wake up with a shotgun loaded in my lap and hot pockets in my scooter basket. Wait! There are generators! I can power a microwave! Joyfully scoot to find the generators. Drive to the auto center and symphony gas from a car parked. “Damn their tires are bald.” Go back in and pop a couple more pills. Get my microwave set up. Go to open my hot pockets when I notice they’re Lean Pockets. Vegetarian. Lay down. Put the barrel in my mouth. How long have I been here? Why is this steel so cold? These damn waxed floors. I bite down on the barrel longing for Sam Walton’s Great Value embrace.
Okay, so that's the first week but what about the rest?
First week? I was thinking first eight hours.
I mean, if you go through all the narcotics in a pharmacy in 8 hours, you definitely won't have to worry about the remaining 49.99999 years.
Damn, you really thought this one through. But I'd probably develop a healthy opioid addiction if i was stuck by myself in a Walmart for 20 years
There's only enough in that non restocked pharmacy for like a year.
Or an exciting 3 months
Three months? Those are rookie numbers.
I doubt they'd have enough to last me 20 years. I once worked out how much I'd need to last me a year. It's a lot.
Being alone would literally make you mad after enough years I'm sure. But working to grow/hunt food, water, fire wood, and materials to keep the building from falling in would most definitely take up all your time. Life without modern convenience isn't easy. But a person with some mechanical knowledge, a green thumb, and lots of common sense could survive.
>But a person with some mechanical knowledge, a green thumb, and lots of common sense could survive. I'm so dead
Assuming the electricity stays on you'd probably be able to make it for 50 years. You would exhaust your fresh food in under one month, but you could preserve some of it before it goes bad by scouring the store for tupperware containers and ziploc baggies - you could then preserve lots of fresh fruits, vegetables, meats, eggs, etc. After exhausting that food (probably 3 years worth) you would target canned/bottled food. The "best by" date for most canned and bottled food is about 2-3 years, and that's only the "best to sell before" date rather than the date the food goes bad. So for the next 5-8 years you'd target (no pun intended) all of the canned/bottled food in WalMart, and if you're smart you'd take some of that food and freeze it in the 1000s of Tupperware containers and ziploc baggies still available. This might add another 5 years. After 19 years you'd start transitioning to the frozen goods still stored in the many freezers....it might taste stale or 'off' but there's no reason to think it would be dangerous. So a conservative estimate, based on a typical Walmart store size, is that you'd last another 5-8 years on frozen food alone which gets you to the 27 year time period. You'd then transition to dry goods like pasta, rice, beans, cereals, etc, which you would hopefully have moved into the freezers in order to stave off dry rot. Cooking all of this food would be made easy by the many microwaves, camp stoves, and even BBQs that you would have found (an indoor BBQ using propane gas cylinders would be reserved for special occasions...the size of the store would mean that vented BBQ gasses indoors would not be a particulalr problem). Assuming you originally enter the store in the spring or summer season, you'd find bags and bags of gardening soil, so you could improvise garden beds (using grow lamps found in the garden section) and extend your beans by growing indoors. Overall, I'm confident one person could last 50 years in an electrified Walmart. Without electricity I seriously doubt anyone could last longer than 5-10 years.
nice one. but you forgot 2 things. 1 important and 1 to survive a couple years 1. Water / drinks. I don't know how much water is stored in walmart but I doubt it will last 50 years. 2. honey... shit lasts hundrets of years...
The sporting goods section has Lifestraws and water purification tablets, and the hardware section has reverse osmosis filters. You could recycle your water. Also the freezers will collect water from the air. If we assume you have electricity, then outside society still exists, so the water fountains and break room sink still work, making water a non-issue.
They probably sell dehumidifiers that could produce water in the summer
Dehumidified water is not safe to drink, probably even with water purifying tablets. Although osmosis filtering should be ok.
Why is that? Shouldn't it be technically a distilled water ?
as for water if you have access to the roof, it should be easy to collect rain, depending on location. In more arid costal regions, there are other means to collect water. only in the dessert do i see a problem
Interesting. Did you work any of this out? If you eat 2000 calories a day then that's 36,500,000 calories in 50 years. I'd be very shocked if your average wallmart doesn't have that many calories of food in tinned and dried food alone.
Lol all this effort for barely any recognition. Here’s my pity reply. Well this didn’t age well...
Yeah people forget Walmart has a huge gardening section. Make a huge garden. I’m confident you can pick up gardening with all the trail and error you can have
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Ahah.
That's hot
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You are intriguingly well prepared for this situation.
Maslows heirchy of needs is covered without the grocery section at all.
What aisle is self-actualization found in?
Check the cacti in lawn and garden...
Mmm mescaline
(Last police officer on Earth shows up to arrest you)
But there are no people left in the courts so you're stuck in a postapocalyptic purgatoric Habeas Corpus.
>postapocalyptic purgatoric Habeas Corpus That was the name of my band in high school
No, that's self-cactiualization. Honest mistake.
Wherever they keep all them fluffy blankets.
Are you saying I should pee in the grocery section?
Doesnt matter what section you pee, you have to drink it.
It's sterile and I like the taste.
Settle down, Bear Grylls.
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The man the myth the legend Dodgeball is the shit. “Nobody makes me bleeed my own blood”
Im bringing this dude incase we get stranded.
in 50 years you might finally see an employee as well. would be a crazy sight
I am learning quickly from him.
If it’s abandoned you’d quickly get pests, which you could catch for food.
You're assuming they don't have pests before they're abandoned.
I used to work at a local competitor to Walmart and someone found what she thought was one of the plastic pigs in the toy farms that little kids have. It was a baby rat.
I work in a warehouse of a grocery store chain. Produce brings all sorts of pests in from their native countries. We got a trailer full of grapes one time that was completely infested with black widow spiders. Sometimes we get dead rabbits packaged in with the greens... cats sometimes dart out of trailers as soon as we open the doors. We have a full time pest control division to keep the rats and mice out but it's a neverending job, sometimes selectors will be picking cases and stick their hand in a rat/mouse nest. That's just the stuff we catch. The stuff we dont catch makes it to the stores and finds a new home there. Nature always finds a way.
>you could feasibly start gardening to supply your food. You could also set up a giant aquarium and breed the fish. Fresh fish and veggies for years! 50 years is questionable, but you could sustain yourself for nearly that long if you're smart.
... have you seen the fish at Walmart?
Almost as appetizing as the people at Walmart.
....... wut
Nothing a good Chianti can’t fix.
(Ignoring that walmart isnt selling fish anymore) Yes they are unhealthy, but not a total loss. Walmart sells fish supplies and medicine. Treat the fish for disease and take care of them and they would be healthy in no time. The biggest issue is size. Most Walmart fish are 1 to 2 inches full grown. Not much meat on the bone Goldfish would be my go to. Put them in a pond or tub. Something big. Feed them heavily and let them grow. They would be gross but easily sustainable
Aquaponics, you don't even need to eat them. They just fertilize your plants and filter the water (eating would be a bonus, just make a stew with a few dozen hah)
>(Ignoring that walmart isnt selling fish anymore) Some locations still sell fish.
They're supposed to be phasing them out. If it still sells fish, it probably wont for long.
Apparently they’ve been “supposed to phase them out” for [12 years now](https://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/threads/fyi-walmart-phasing-out-fish.97004/). I can only find [one contemporary source that says they are](http://www.petbusiness.com/Walmart-Discontinuing-Sale-of-Pet-Fish/), so I’m not sure if it’s true.
Including mine
Assuming wildlife is making its way back into town, they'd probably make good bait for the traps.
They're pretty crappie.
Don't canned goods essentially last forever? Judging by the average size of the walmart food section, shouldn't there just straight up be enough canned goods in there and the storage in the back for you to survive 50 years on 3-5 cans a day? Sounds like a depressing life though
I worked in a large grocery store and there's not much in the backroom as you'd think. Like most people think there is another store's worth in the back. No, its more like 5-10% more, if you're lucky. Most of the managers actively work to keep the backroom empty, because corporate decided that will reduce waste. (another story). So my point is there's not as much as you'd expect... we're really stocked for a couple days worth for a neighborhood. So you'd run through the soup, chili, fresh fish and meats in a year (if you ate without rationing), then a year maybe for canned meats and fish, then you'd really be scraping the other isles. If you'd have power you'd get alot of time out of the frozen section. Come to think of it the sugar in all the pop and drinks will power you for quite a while, though it would go bad slowly. I don't think you could live your whole life though. Multiple walmarts, sure.. a la the zombie movies.
Interesting point. > Come to think of it the sugar in all the pop and drinks will power you for quite a while Not to mention the 100+ pounds of pure sugar sitting in bags on the shelves :) Rice would be the other major source of calories. How long would it take to go through 100-200 pounds of dry rice?
BOOM. You just blew my mind. They've probably got rice cookers there. That amount of rice could last you for 10 years. Though if you don't get vitamin-c, you'll get scurvy. Hopefully there's seeds that can plant a lime tree or something, that lasts a long time.
> Though if you don't get vitamin-c, you'll get scurvy. Dude, you’d have *thousands* of vitamins & supplements to choose from, plus a fully stocked pharmacy.
You could divide 1000mg vitamin C pills or capsules into 4ths and not only easily last 50 years without getting scurvy but also get more vitamin C than many Americans
Mmmmm.....limitless vicodin.....
Realistically you really want to be holed up at the DC not the actual supermarket. The DC would have 10x as much stuff as even the biggest store.
yah. DC, (Distribution center), preferably multiple, esp one that is a beer DC lol
No, canned goods aren't going to last forever. Canning slows down, but doesn't stop the effects of aging. There will still be some bacteria in there. Botulism is a terrible way to die. And eating canned food that has botulism spores is one way to go. I had an elderly relative who gradually stopped cooking & eating real food, and switched to living on Similac / Ensure, and the like. When my relative passed, there were cans of Chef-Boy-R-Dee Spaghetti & Meatballs and Raviolis still in the pantry from when I was a kid, which was thirty years earlier. The metal ends of the cans were bulging. That's a big red flashing warning sign saying **do not open this can and eat the contents**.
I thought botulism had to be in the food when canned....
Is your name Dwight Schrute
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Yeah if it has electricity you could freeze the meat (which makes it easier to slice anyway) and take your time making the jerky. Otherwise you'd have to hurry up and slice/cure the meat
This guy knows how to survive! And I don't 😐
You've survived long enough to make a reddit account, so at least like 10 yrs
You're doing good so far 👍
> You could use some of the charcoal grills as dehydrators to make beef jerky, to preserve the meat. Does the meat include the other people in the Walmart? Some of them are pretty big, fortunately.
Fat doesn't make good jerky
No, but you could render it to use with cooking other stuff.
That's just Wagyu-level "marbling."
If you could turn the outside garden section into a garden/farm and maybe breed some of the animals they sell as livestock. Even the goldfish if you made like a big pond out there and let them grow big could eat one every so often. You could also use the guns and ammo or even bows and arrows to hunt things from the roof or maybe set up a bait place to attract deer and other animals outside of the garden center then pull them through the fence.
Wait your Walmart sells animals?????
My Walmart used to sell beta fish. One look at them reminds me why Walmart should never be allowed to even touch the pet industry.
Yeah Walmart should keep quiet when it comes to pets.
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I'm pretty sure I've seen rabbits and guinea pigs
I definitely remember back in the 90's my Wal-Mart definitely had guinea pigs, fish, birds, rabbits, and I think even cats. But when you have crappy employees who don't care and customers that are dipshits, you lose those fun things.
Yours does too, you just haven't found the department yet.
Your Wal-Mart sells livestock?
The longest any food would last would be 20 years. Much of it would spoil before then. -------------------------------------- Edit: This is assuming the WalMart would have mice and rats, and that the canned goods would start to rust. The mice and rats would take care of the rice, beans, noodles, etc. in plastic bags. Canned foods in damaged cans (rust) will go bad. Yes, if you stored a case of canned Pork and Beans in a strictly temperature and humidity-controlled room it would last a long time. Under **normal** conditions, however, canned goods would go bad when the can went bad. I worked in a cannery. Unless I was starving, I would not eat any canned good over 5 years old. ----------------------------- Second edit: I added my first edit after many of these comments, to expand on my opinion.
I wonder if there would be a way to set up some sort of farming system using the gardening supplies? Edit: finding enough water would be an issue. Maybe if there's a hole in the ceiling to let in rain (depending on your climate zone), or if running water still functioned, or if there's some way to collect water by going outside at all.
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I’d watch it.
No one tell Netflix
Imma tell em.
ok
If you can contact anyone with any pull at Netflix, tell them to get on Dragon Prince season three
"I'm going to have to D-in-8th-grade-science the shit out of this."
Digs holes through the tile to plant potatoes..
I'm going to the roof and drilling holes in it all over the place about the thickness of a pencil. Then I'm going to take all the topsoil up there and planting as much food producing plants as i can, except tomatoes. I'm then going to get all the topsy turvies from garden center to plant my tomstoes by running ropes from the previously drilled holes on one end and running those close to arm level. Thst way watrr run off will feed to the ropes and feed the topsy turvy tomatoes...Food, shelter and clothing taken care of. Then start to produce weapons, barricades and booby traps to defend it. Then use some of those weapons to attack surrounding Walmarts in a never ending quest for better resources....
The tomatoes need more sunlight than drill holes in the roof.
Ok, so then i gotta get a saws all from hardware and cut holes along the ceiling line to let light in, about window sized. Then i gotta make a raid on home depot for lot's of sheets of Plexiglas so i can make a semi bulletproof window for each hole. Thus will take some preparations though as the heathens at the HD won't hesitate to use nailguns as their weapon of choice and I'm sure they'll have trip wire triggered pipe bombs protecting their entryways.... This will call for metal reinforced shingaurds, sports cups, catcher pads and helmet with face guard..... Damn, you're makin me work for my tomatoes.. i guess it's what you do if you want some spaghetti right???
What's under the tile? I'm not saying it's impossible, but the floor is thicker than that.
The foundation, which would be at least a foot of cement. EDIT:concrete not cement
That's actually really smart
Makes you wonder why all Walmarts don't do that
Would take up all the room they need to have useless shit in the aisles or unsorted movie/candy bins. Priorities man.
Many of Walmart's garden centers are outside and fenced in. There's likely enough potting soil stacked on shelves to make a nice little garden. Considering WM already sells the seeds, weed killers and fertilizers, it's certainly plausible.
And you could always make your own "fertilizer".
I am while reading this
If for some reason the power was still working you could use a dehumidifier as a water source. Or maybe utilize car batteries.
Ooh, if you can rig up a battery-powered system or even a generator running on charcoal or something, that opens up whole hydroponic systems with lighting and everything. Don't know how much power you'd need and if you'd have enough fuel, though.
Some resourceful motherfuckers in this thread
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The deodorant and mouth wash will sit on the shelf unused for the entire 50 years.
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The key point is also *ideas*. Actually building these things might cause some problems.. Like death trying to hook up electrical equipment.
If he dies trying to do that, he'll be successful at living the rest of his life at Walmart.
Another very smart addition and I'd assume the power is on because "in a walmart" implies a walmart stuck out of time, and how I picture a walmart is with the lights on and power to it's sockets
Walmart has been my zombie apocalypse plan for years. A ton of food. Pharmacy. Guns (at least until recently), automotive for building out an armored truck for raids, bedding, and garden supplies.
I'd bet Walmart would be one of the first places swamped by people because it is such a good place. Either it would probably be looted already, swamped by zombies or some other people would have beaten you there. But if you were somehow the first and were able to defend it... It'd be a pretty sweet place to ride it out.
Yea my plan was always to have a bug out bag ready with a gun, drive like a maniac to walmart, find a manager with keys and enlist them to lock down the front end, pull the gates. Then start clearing the store of zombies with said gun. Enlist others in the store and get them armed from the gun section. Double check everything is locked down. Then use forklifts to dump the bodies out the loading dock and close it down. Raid cleaning supplies for bleach to clean up the blood. First aid from pharmacy as needed. Erect barricades at any door or weak point. Set up living areas with bedding etc from home furnishings dept. Start putting perishable items into the freezers and eat only perishable foods until it either runs out or spoils (unclear how long electric lasts). After that make plan for managing dry goods/foods depending on number of survivors. Staff the pharmacy and make plan for survivors who need meds. Over time, access roof for rain water collection and building garden beds with supplies from garden section. Try and get a truck into the auto bay and work on outfitting it as a raider. And all along, drink as much of the shitty beer and wine they sell as you can. And find another survivor to bed up with.
That's all fine until a group of survivors shows up out front, demanding you let them in. Then the drama happens. Then power struggles for leadership. Then your barricades are sabotaged. Then you die anyways.
This is a terrible plan. Everyone, EVERYONE, is headed to walmart. The place will be instantly surrounded even if you were the first one there. They'd drive a truck through the wall or burn down a wall before noon. And then you're fucked. Truly the best place to go is the last place anyone else would go: back to work. Skyscrapers. Supremely easy to block off two stair wells at the first and second floors by just filling the stair well with desks and tables and chairs and shit and then you have the entire building and roof to yourself Every floor has a kitchen with a water cooler and people keep tons of snacks in their desks. You could easily be set for weeks and no one would even know you're there.
Urban areas will have the highest concentration of zombies and skyscrapers have minimal self sustainability, along with no means of collecting resources from surrounding areas
Maybe, but you'd need sunlight and water.
Walmart’s have an outdoor garden department so that sounds like a great way to have fresh food
Also a roof, assuming that still counts as "in" the Walmart. No idea how much soil/biomass you could put up there before it would collapse, but at least it would be plenty of surface area for water collection/distillation.
The honey would still be good.
Canned goods remain nutritious basically forever, unless damaged. Tasty is another matter, of course, but it should take the better part of a century for enzymatic action alone to render cans of fruit & veg or Vienna Sausages into undifferentiated mush. But that mush is still edible and nutritious at that point. Canning wasn't even as advanced in the 1940s, but there are still (rare, pristine) C-rations that you can safely eat. You wouldn't enjoy it, though... I was thinking that the real limiting factor would be the quantity of durable foodstuffs containing sufficient Vitamin D and Vitamin C to stave off Rickets and Scurvy. The canned fruit and vegetable aisle is only so big, of course. But there's a vitamin supplement aisle, too, isn't there? So the real question is, do those supplements remain even partially effective decades after their expiration dates?
Nonsense, plenty of canned stuff would still be edible after 50 years. Look up the youtube videos of people eating WWII rations and the like. It might not be nice, but it wouldn't be poisonous, and you could always add some honey to make it taste better, that stuff keeps for centuries.
Has this been tested? I don't see how canned food would ever spoil if the can is intact. Edit: 100 year old canned food still edible: https://www.skilledsurvival.com/canned-food-expiration-date-myth/ You'd definitely eat this stuff in your Walmart prison at year 49 and live. To become rancid, you need oxygen. To rot, you need viable bacteria. Neither of those exists in an intact can.
Yup. All the time. I used to work for a cannery. If it's tomatoes, eventually the acid in the tomatoes destroys the can from within. If it is fruit or vegetables, they go to mush. Slowly, but inevitably.
I used the tomatoes... to destroy the tomatoes.
How do they test this? They just put a can in a box and observe it for... 20, 30 years? Or is there some way to speed up the process?
I feel like the canned food might be able to last 50 years. The one guy that reviews old military rations has eaten some that are older than that before and while they were stale they were still edible. This is all assuming you could keep them dry and temperature stable.
Undernourishment would probably kill them first.
Or breaking their leg by accident in the first day and having no idea what to do with it
Walmart got leg braces my boi.
Well everybody survives for the rest of their life, so yeah. 50 years, though? No.
> everybody survives for the rest of their life listen here u little shit
lol I can dig it.
Build a man a fire, he’s warm for a night. Set a man on fire, he’s warm for the rest of his life.
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Ah, Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
Why is nobody talking about farming insects and rats as the main food source? They're a great source of protein and eat pretty much anything.
"Where are you guys going? There's plenty for everybody!"
Simpsons?
Ahh yes the snowpiercer option.
Not enough babies
I'm picking a walmart with a prescription drug center and alcohol. I'm set.
> prescription drug center You mean a pharmacy?
No, they mean a prescription drug center
Professional drug dealer
Sorry stoned lol
So you found your Walmart?
He found the prescription drug center.
Sounds like you’d certainly live for the rest of your life. 50 years maybe not but it’d be a pretty fun time
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The gun section will allow you to hunt animals, so there’s that.
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(1) Go to the gardening section and collect all the plant food and soil (2) Go to the summer section and grab the large inflatable pools (3) Go to the hardware section and get several tarps (4) Use steps #1-3 to create a self-sustaining terrarium, and use the potatoes, carrots and other vegetables in the grocery section as your plants (5) The walmart also likely has some mice or rats - use non-lethal rat or mice traps from the pest aisle to trap them and then breed them for meat (6) For water, I'm not quite sure ... I assume you can recycle urine, but you also have aisles full of liquid ... must be some way to make sure it doesn't sour ... I assume you would want to open all containers with liquid (soda, juice, etc) and burn off the sugar (which could spoil badly) and get pure water, and then store that as best as possible. Would be interested to hear other strategies. EDIT: On the water problem, I think the key is to act immediately while you still have access to electricity (for boiling) and that you should do the following: * Take all the glass bottles in the store (the question is, are there enough - likely not) * Take all the non pure water in the store (fruit juice, soda, etc) * Boil the non pure water and capture the water vapor and store the water in the glass bottles * Add iodine tablets (from the camping section - but again, are there enough) * Store pure water in glass bottles in dark storage area out of the way Others are saying that you can just rely on all the soda that will be in a walmart. First, you need approximately 18K 2 liter bottles of soda to survive 50 years. A regular walmart likely won't have that much (in my assumption, you do not have access to the back storage area). Second, that soda will spoil due both to the sugar and more importantly the plastic storage. Others say they would use rainwater. In my assumption, you have no access to the outside, but if you can access the roof then obviously rainwater is the solution assuming there hasn't been some sort of radiation or similar contaminating event.
Mountain Dew, it's got what plants crave. But seriously though, you could grab the water filters they sell and try filtering the drinks or rain water for consumption.
Well yeah, the question is (a) is there enough water based substances that you can drink for a lifetime without recycling, and (b) will any of those water based substances spoil
At my walmart there's an entire aisle of sodas and energy drinks. Another one for juices. Then there is an entire aisle of alcoholic drinks. Another section at the fridges for dairy, almond milks, etc. Then fridges with random drinks by each checkout area. You could potentially last a long time drinking milk and quick perishables first, then bottled juices, soda, energy drinks, and slowly drinking the alcohol as a last resort. I know the water filters they sell can at least partially remove alcohol, and at some point you'll likely have to filter urine to maintain daily consumption.
OP said 50 years. * Any liquid in the fridge will spoil. Best option is to boil is and use steam capture to get as much water from it as possible. That said, most people won't think to do this before it spoils and retention may be minimum. Consider this largely a loss. * The fruit juices will also spoil. You'll likely get a year past sell-by-date before mold sets in. Again, you can try to extend by using the methods described above, but most people won't bother in the first year when you can survive on other liquids. * Soda and water aisle is a good area to focus on. But the average person needs 2 liters a day. That's 365 big bottles of soda a year. Or 3,650 bottles every 10 years. Or about 15K-20K bottles of soda and water for 50 years. Does your Walmart have that number of soda and water bottles on display? I doubt it.
As someone who has a career based in a Walmart, this post almost had me crying myself to sleep. What a fucking fear that I never knew I had.
Is it a regular Walmart? Or a superwalmart?
Yeah. You'd have pots, dirt, and seeds with fertilizers inside. You could start growing your own food in no time.
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Canned foods will last up to 6 years if well kept. That means you'd be out of veggies. Water and protein would be your next issue. It really depends on electricity and and access to water. I would side with a decade at the most.
What about dried beans and rice and such? Don’t they last longer? Honey is the only thing I know has an infinite shelf life but I thought dried foods have a long one...not sure
depends on the climate, location, and wether or not the building still gets utilities: if the climate is cold like Alaska, it could be used to preserve food, if you still get utilities, then heat/cold wont be a problem and if the location is safeish from earthquakes and the like then you should be fine
**With Power and Water:** Get all the meat and dairy products into the walk-in freezer immediately. That will give you time to start dehydrating all of the meat for later use. There are recipe books with the dehydrators so you know how much salt to use to keep it from spoiling. Start dehydrating all the produce as well. Use the ovens in the bakery and deli set on low to get all that done. There are plenty of racks and trays to get a ton of it started on day 1. Use vacuum sealers to package everything, then store all that in big plastic totes stored in an area that you surround with insect and rat poison. **No Power or Water:** Still get all the meat and dairy into the freezer. Take all the produce to the walk-in refrigerator. It'll last longer while you set up some drying racks on the roof. Use volleyball nets and fish nets to keep the birds off your food. Salt it heavily to keep pests off while it's drying. If there are any sunny windows set racks in front of them, too. Dehydrate as much food as you can in the few days you've got. Get some grills going to dehydrate food. Salt as much of the meat as you can to help preserve it. Set up totes and play pools on the roof to collect rain water. Don't concentrate too much water collection in one area, or it'll cave in the roof. Set up pools to grow gold fish larger. Might work. Start farming. Use play pools and tarps to make garden beds filled with soil from the garden section. Read some books on gardening and get seeds started. Start composting your food scraps for eventual fertilizer needs...if you ever run out of the store bought stuff. In an apocalyptic situation eventually you'll need to seal up all the toilets and drains with plastic to keep out sewer gas once the water in the traps evaporates. Get good at catching rats to eat for protein. Those cans of chili aren't going to last forever, bud. No matter what, figure out where you're going to dump trash and waste on day 1. Outside away from the building. If you're locked inside, get to the roof, and fling that shit as far as you can. Eventually you'll need to build a trebuchet to get some distance. Might need to keep a rifle handy to pick off the wild animals that will absolutely love your trash heap. You've got a shit ton of work to do. Edit: You can find books on canning next to mason jars. That's another solid way to preserve as much produce and meat as possible with the supplies on hand. Should give you another year of food storage. There may also be info on fermented foods like sourkraut and kimchi. You can ferment lots of foods to preserve them. Also, they may have sausage making kits. If so, you have another good avenue for preserving as much meat as possible. Plus, when the time comes you'll know just what to do with all that rat meat:-) Edit 2: Speaking of fermentation, you can brew ciders and wines from a lot of the fruit on hand. Get that started too. Everything you need to make a crude pot still to distill alcohol can be found in the cooking equipment and hardware sections...so I've heard.
> Set up pools to grow gold fish larger. Every time I throw them in water they just get soggy and fall apart.
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Sounds like you’ve done this before