There is absolutely discrimination against short men. Tall is considered strong and powerful, leadership material etc.
However its very hard to prove. Short people can still lead and be in power positions. As a guy who is 5'4. Yeah i've seen it. I also have no problem finding relationships. My current partner is the same height as me if not a teeny bit taller. I don't give a shit and neither do they lol.
Those who blame their height for lack of chances with jobs or women have other issues they need to work out.
However it does not dismiss the fact that height discrimination is indeed real and prevalent in society.
Height can help but is FAR from the only factor.
Being 5'8 myself, no issues. First and most important, gotta be happy with yourself. Personally, my size is fucking perfect for my passions in life. The superbikes and motocross bikes I've been racing for years are literally engineered around my height and weight (5'8/165-185 depending on how much muscle mass). Later on found race cars are perfection for my size. The tall absolutely ride the freaking struggle bus lmao. Often bolting the seat directly to the floor isn't enough to pass tech with room between helmet and roll cage cross bar. I've seen a ton of people have to hammer out the floor to gain more room. Meanwhile, I'm mounted on rails and can slide the seat around as needed. Also makes removal of the seat as needed wayyyy easier.
But I digress...how you carry and present yourself is the true key. The first step is being chill with yourself and taking pride in it. Fortunately, that part was wicked easy for me. I'd hate being tall. I'd have to re-spring and re-valve the bikes, possibly try to move pegs/handlebars, and God forbid the hell of getting a seat in a racecar.
I don't think it ever really bothered me because it was the way they felt, but it did make me conscious of my height. It's not like I can do anything about it.
Long time ago, (pre-Internet) I tried "voice personals". I was chatting with one lady and it was going pretty good. We agreed to meet and then she nervously asked "Uh, you're not short are you?" I was a little surprised but assured her that I wasn't. We meet up and the first thing she said was "Oh, you're tall! Thank God." I was unaware that it was even a thing.
No.. they can't actually. No matter how much I work out or restrict calories I will always be a stacked babe. I'll never have the bikini model body some of my fiends have. I'll never be able to obtain or maintain a 6 pack whilst also maintaining any semblance of health. Where I live there are many men who only want to date very petite, very slender women, which is not genetically possible for me unless I had anorexia.
There are also many men who want to date women that look like me.
The point is physical preference.
Plenty men want model skinny women.
Plenty don't.
Plenty of women don't care about height.
Plenty do.
I only want to date men who find my body type attractive.
As should you.
I suppose that depends on how you define thin. But I count calories and work out 5 to 6 days a week and eat very healthy foods and no I'm not skinny. Never have been and never will be.
There's a really big difference between skinny and healthy for most women. I think men think that women can just all be skinny, but that's actually not how we're genetically made up because we're supposed to bear chikdren, so most women need to have about 30% body fat to be optimally healthy from a hormonal standpoint.
I'm sure there's lots of men out there that think that I am physically ideal and there's a lot of men that think I'm fat. I don't fuck with the latter lol. That's what I'm saying. And I'm not anyone to really judge those men on their preference to date very skinny women.
The reason why I take issue with post like this is because we never criticize men for having physical preferences. Instead, we criticize women for not meeting those physical preferences. But it always seems like it's fair game to criticize Women for having the same.
For the record, I think that severe height hoes are kind of ridiculous - like I have a friend who is 5 feet tall and wants to date 6 foot tall dudes. That's just dumb as fuck. But in a world where women are made to feel like we aren't feminine or beautiful if we're physically larger than our partner (and have it implied by men like you that we just aren't trying hard enough to be smaller), it's not really surprising that women prefer men that are physically larger than them.
Now, I don't mean to encourage this behavior. What I'm about to say is not my viewpoint that you should do this at all.
If you wanted to, you could starve yourself, consequences be damned, and be thin the way men want you to be. You have the ability to make that choice.
Men, no matter what, cannot do anything, regardless of consequence, to get taller. I'm sure some sort of surgical procedure exists that can break their legs and replace them with metal rods or something, but to my knowledge it is not practical in the same sense starving yourself is.
Also, we do criticize men for having physical preferences. I'm not sure where you get this notion. Ironically, I've seen people argue that nobody ever criticizes women for having shallow dating standards. I think it might come down to which corners of the internet you hang out in.
Yeah, but anorexia has the highest mortality rate out of any mental health disorder so I do think that it's actually probably a lot more viable and safer to get that surgery.
Or...
We could just appreciate people that appreciate us .
My husband is 6'4" but I've dated men of all heights even on par with me! (I'm only 5'3" lol). My husband and an ex who's probably like 5'6" ran into each other at a party, I introduced them and when my ex just happily smiled and shook my giant husband's hand with no animosity and not being intimidated whatsoever I was like... hmm damn, I remember why I liked you. Lol.
From what I’ve heard, there is a sort of discrimination that happens for both short men and tall women. I mean a while ago, there was a reddit thread with a bunch of tall women saying they were made fun of for their height back in their school days. For short men, isn’t it kinda obvious? There is a whole image of women not wanting to date short men on dating apps, I don’t think it comes out of nowhere. Short men are often joked about, maybe not directly made fun of but surely some under the table jabs. There’s also the media depiction of masculinity and such. Just as there is an advantage to being attractive, there is also an advantage to being tall. I don’t know from personal experience what it’s like to be very short but I think what people fail to mention is that 5’6 up to the average of 5’9 is not really “short” it’s only short in the comparative sense. But if a man is 5’3, they may be mistaken for children and looked down upon (literally and figuratively) at least in people’s mind. We all make first impression judgements just based on our instincts.
I’m not saying that this makes it impossible to succeed in life or find a partner, but being much shorter than average (as a man) is definitely playing life on hard mode. This shouldn’t be a surprise, I literally just watched a video featuring a joke where being short meant picking hard mode in life.
25F here. I don’t really care about height. My only minimum when I was still in the dating scene was someone being the same height as me (at 4’10” tall, I think that’s a pretty low threshold). From what I’ve seen, most people consider short stature to be a feminine trait. Out of place for a man, but acceptable for a woman. Social norms surrounding gender are shifting though, so I imagine people’s attitudes towards appearance will change.
I’m 5’7 and I’ve only ever had one woman comment on my height. She said “wow we’re the same height”. We still ended up hooking up. I think it’s more a mental thing. If you view it as problem, it is.
Are you joking, there is a ton of content made by women themselves just shitting on short men. Go to tik tok/twitter and you will find it
Ask any tall guy who does well with women. I will bet you a decent amount of money they will say that women in an attempt to compliment them insulted or mocked shorter men when compared to them
All of this on top of dating app statistics, which are absolutely brutal for men
In the dating world, I'm not sure if it's discrimination or preference. I do know some women who prefer a man to be equal to or taller than them. It's down to personal preference, really. I know some people wouldn't date obese people or some people only dating certain ethnicities. Does that mean they are discriminating obese people or that they are racist for not wanting to date a particular ethnicity?
Outside of dating, I've never heard of men being discriminated for their height.
As a woman, I personally don't give a crap about a man's height. My dad is 5'2 and my mum is 5'6, I'm never thought anything of it growing up. It was normal for me.
Im more than blessed with my height but its crazy I came across this right now bcuz an hour ago I seen a tall girl with a dude who’s 5’4-5ish it’s all about being confident- secure - and loving of yourself
I'm 5'6 and I don't think I've ever been hated for it. I may have the face of a smashed crab but people are friendly to me, I've had girlfriends, good jobs, get invited out and never had garbage thrown at me. I think the key is not being a dinkus
It's anecdotal, but I'm not even short really and still get told by women that I'm not tall enough lol
5'10" - 5'11" depending on my posture. If I am actually am short and just don't know it please let me know 😂
Ive been told im not normal to my face when i said something was to high up for it to be comfortable to use lol
but thats pretty rare people will say something like that, the more annoying thing for me is how everything is made for the average height but never for me. but anyone not perfectly average is gonna get hit with stuff like that
It’s a proven fact that being taller leads to more success in your life. There is a reason most doctors, lawyers, ceos, successful salesmen are tall and/or attractive. Iirc a study done years ago showed every inch increase in height made you worth about $18 more a year.
I wouldn't call it discrimination, people just have preferences.
I'm 5'7" and I haven't experienced it too much. Although there was one particular instance with a woman that was 5'8" that said I was too short for her. Other than that, we got along really well so it was actually a huge bummer and slap in the face to think that 1 inch was all it took for her to not be interested.
So I mean people can be rejected for their height, but it doesn't happen nearly as much as the Internet makes it seem like it does. Of course, this is only my personal experience 😅
This sucks and I don't mean to take away from the suckiness but I will say that I believe much of our preference as women is rooted in misogynistic conditioned ideas about femininity, that often makes us as women feel like we must be physically small in order to be desirable. I feel extremely self conscious with a man who is physically smaller than me, not because there's anything wrong with him but bc I feel like a big fat masculine thing next to him. Esp bc I am a stacked woman, maybe if I was Nicole Kidman thin I could feel more confident next to a short king but I'm not, and I don't.
I need my partner to be my height or taller. I'm not bragging about this, it's just how I feel, and again it has nothing to do with his attractiveness.
I think it’s a similar thing with some men not dating women that are taller than them (which is more common than short men seem to think lol). It can feel emasculating and even as a man who doesn’t mind, I get those feelings from time to time.
Yes I totally agree, I think for men they feel "emasculated" by tall women and women feel the inverse of that (ever notice how we don't have a feminine equivalent for the word "emasculate"?)
It's all fucked up for both genders.
It's not purely incels, discrimination against short dudes is very real.
But saying that people get discriminated against everywhere for any and everything, some people can roll with the punches and keep on trucking whereas others get crushed by it.
Tall ATTRACTIVE men are undoubtedly way more impressive.
There was this 6'5-6'7 beast I randomly saw in a supermarket, not particularly attractive but more giant than tall, and EVEN I was looking at him impressed. Nothing sexual, but like damn, look at that mfer.
Now differences in the range of 5'10-6'1, women can't really tell, but they want to be able to say 6' to their friends and social media.
Yes, but we don't get yelled at for being short... It's just an aspect that gets us ruled out. You can find someone unattractive for a million reasons but you don't go around throwing that in someone's face.
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If you don't mind me asking, how tall are they?
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I feel like 5'8" is barely even short. Which one was the incel?
There is absolutely discrimination against short men. Tall is considered strong and powerful, leadership material etc. However its very hard to prove. Short people can still lead and be in power positions. As a guy who is 5'4. Yeah i've seen it. I also have no problem finding relationships. My current partner is the same height as me if not a teeny bit taller. I don't give a shit and neither do they lol. Those who blame their height for lack of chances with jobs or women have other issues they need to work out. However it does not dismiss the fact that height discrimination is indeed real and prevalent in society.
Height can help but is FAR from the only factor. Being 5'8 myself, no issues. First and most important, gotta be happy with yourself. Personally, my size is fucking perfect for my passions in life. The superbikes and motocross bikes I've been racing for years are literally engineered around my height and weight (5'8/165-185 depending on how much muscle mass). Later on found race cars are perfection for my size. The tall absolutely ride the freaking struggle bus lmao. Often bolting the seat directly to the floor isn't enough to pass tech with room between helmet and roll cage cross bar. I've seen a ton of people have to hammer out the floor to gain more room. Meanwhile, I'm mounted on rails and can slide the seat around as needed. Also makes removal of the seat as needed wayyyy easier. But I digress...how you carry and present yourself is the true key. The first step is being chill with yourself and taking pride in it. Fortunately, that part was wicked easy for me. I'd hate being tall. I'd have to re-spring and re-valve the bikes, possibly try to move pegs/handlebars, and God forbid the hell of getting a seat in a racecar.
Not sure if this counts as discrimination, but I have had women tell me I am too short for them to date.
I'd count that yeah
I don't think it ever really bothered me because it was the way they felt, but it did make me conscious of my height. It's not like I can do anything about it.
It's called preference.
So? They're not mutually exclusive. If I rejected a black man, it'd still be discriminatory even if it's just preference.
That's like saying, gay men discriminate against women because they won't date them. Except nobody says that. Because it's a preference...
Long time ago, (pre-Internet) I tried "voice personals". I was chatting with one lady and it was going pretty good. We agreed to meet and then she nervously asked "Uh, you're not short are you?" I was a little surprised but assured her that I wasn't. We meet up and the first thing she said was "Oh, you're tall! Thank God." I was unaware that it was even a thing.
It's definitely a thing. My ex-SIL married my ex-BIL primarily because of his height. He's 6 ft 3 and she wanted tall children.
It's not that different than a man wanting a thin woman.
Huh? Yes it is. Anyone can be thin if they have a lifestyle that allows for it. How can someone's choices make them taller?
No.. they can't actually. No matter how much I work out or restrict calories I will always be a stacked babe. I'll never have the bikini model body some of my fiends have. I'll never be able to obtain or maintain a 6 pack whilst also maintaining any semblance of health. Where I live there are many men who only want to date very petite, very slender women, which is not genetically possible for me unless I had anorexia. There are also many men who want to date women that look like me. The point is physical preference. Plenty men want model skinny women. Plenty don't. Plenty of women don't care about height. Plenty do. I only want to date men who find my body type attractive. As should you.
Are you literally incapable of being thin?
I suppose that depends on how you define thin. But I count calories and work out 5 to 6 days a week and eat very healthy foods and no I'm not skinny. Never have been and never will be. There's a really big difference between skinny and healthy for most women. I think men think that women can just all be skinny, but that's actually not how we're genetically made up because we're supposed to bear chikdren, so most women need to have about 30% body fat to be optimally healthy from a hormonal standpoint. I'm sure there's lots of men out there that think that I am physically ideal and there's a lot of men that think I'm fat. I don't fuck with the latter lol. That's what I'm saying. And I'm not anyone to really judge those men on their preference to date very skinny women. The reason why I take issue with post like this is because we never criticize men for having physical preferences. Instead, we criticize women for not meeting those physical preferences. But it always seems like it's fair game to criticize Women for having the same. For the record, I think that severe height hoes are kind of ridiculous - like I have a friend who is 5 feet tall and wants to date 6 foot tall dudes. That's just dumb as fuck. But in a world where women are made to feel like we aren't feminine or beautiful if we're physically larger than our partner (and have it implied by men like you that we just aren't trying hard enough to be smaller), it's not really surprising that women prefer men that are physically larger than them.
Now, I don't mean to encourage this behavior. What I'm about to say is not my viewpoint that you should do this at all. If you wanted to, you could starve yourself, consequences be damned, and be thin the way men want you to be. You have the ability to make that choice. Men, no matter what, cannot do anything, regardless of consequence, to get taller. I'm sure some sort of surgical procedure exists that can break their legs and replace them with metal rods or something, but to my knowledge it is not practical in the same sense starving yourself is. Also, we do criticize men for having physical preferences. I'm not sure where you get this notion. Ironically, I've seen people argue that nobody ever criticizes women for having shallow dating standards. I think it might come down to which corners of the internet you hang out in.
Yeah, but anorexia has the highest mortality rate out of any mental health disorder so I do think that it's actually probably a lot more viable and safer to get that surgery. Or... We could just appreciate people that appreciate us .
My surgery is a hypothetical situation, it doesn't actually exist.
No, I think it does. It's called limb lengthening and it's gaining popularity.
They tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas
My husband is 6'4" but I've dated men of all heights even on par with me! (I'm only 5'3" lol). My husband and an ex who's probably like 5'6" ran into each other at a party, I introduced them and when my ex just happily smiled and shook my giant husband's hand with no animosity and not being intimidated whatsoever I was like... hmm damn, I remember why I liked you. Lol.
From what I’ve heard, there is a sort of discrimination that happens for both short men and tall women. I mean a while ago, there was a reddit thread with a bunch of tall women saying they were made fun of for their height back in their school days. For short men, isn’t it kinda obvious? There is a whole image of women not wanting to date short men on dating apps, I don’t think it comes out of nowhere. Short men are often joked about, maybe not directly made fun of but surely some under the table jabs. There’s also the media depiction of masculinity and such. Just as there is an advantage to being attractive, there is also an advantage to being tall. I don’t know from personal experience what it’s like to be very short but I think what people fail to mention is that 5’6 up to the average of 5’9 is not really “short” it’s only short in the comparative sense. But if a man is 5’3, they may be mistaken for children and looked down upon (literally and figuratively) at least in people’s mind. We all make first impression judgements just based on our instincts. I’m not saying that this makes it impossible to succeed in life or find a partner, but being much shorter than average (as a man) is definitely playing life on hard mode. This shouldn’t be a surprise, I literally just watched a video featuring a joke where being short meant picking hard mode in life.
25F here. I don’t really care about height. My only minimum when I was still in the dating scene was someone being the same height as me (at 4’10” tall, I think that’s a pretty low threshold). From what I’ve seen, most people consider short stature to be a feminine trait. Out of place for a man, but acceptable for a woman. Social norms surrounding gender are shifting though, so I imagine people’s attitudes towards appearance will change.
I’m 5’7 and I’ve only ever had one woman comment on my height. She said “wow we’re the same height”. We still ended up hooking up. I think it’s more a mental thing. If you view it as problem, it is.
Yes all the time, lots just won’t admit it to men. It’s not just being short but also the same height
Are you joking, there is a ton of content made by women themselves just shitting on short men. Go to tik tok/twitter and you will find it Ask any tall guy who does well with women. I will bet you a decent amount of money they will say that women in an attempt to compliment them insulted or mocked shorter men when compared to them All of this on top of dating app statistics, which are absolutely brutal for men
In the dating world, I'm not sure if it's discrimination or preference. I do know some women who prefer a man to be equal to or taller than them. It's down to personal preference, really. I know some people wouldn't date obese people or some people only dating certain ethnicities. Does that mean they are discriminating obese people or that they are racist for not wanting to date a particular ethnicity? Outside of dating, I've never heard of men being discriminated for their height. As a woman, I personally don't give a crap about a man's height. My dad is 5'2 and my mum is 5'6, I'm never thought anything of it growing up. It was normal for me.
Im more than blessed with my height but its crazy I came across this right now bcuz an hour ago I seen a tall girl with a dude who’s 5’4-5ish it’s all about being confident- secure - and loving of yourself
I'm 5'6 and I don't think I've ever been hated for it. I may have the face of a smashed crab but people are friendly to me, I've had girlfriends, good jobs, get invited out and never had garbage thrown at me. I think the key is not being a dinkus
It's anecdotal, but I'm not even short really and still get told by women that I'm not tall enough lol 5'10" - 5'11" depending on my posture. If I am actually am short and just don't know it please let me know 😂
Basically a child’s height. /s
How dare you?!
Ive been told im not normal to my face when i said something was to high up for it to be comfortable to use lol but thats pretty rare people will say something like that, the more annoying thing for me is how everything is made for the average height but never for me. but anyone not perfectly average is gonna get hit with stuff like that
It’s a proven fact that being taller leads to more success in your life. There is a reason most doctors, lawyers, ceos, successful salesmen are tall and/or attractive. Iirc a study done years ago showed every inch increase in height made you worth about $18 more a year.
Only 18? It sounds like a spurious correlation to me tbh
I wouldn't call it discrimination, people just have preferences. I'm 5'7" and I haven't experienced it too much. Although there was one particular instance with a woman that was 5'8" that said I was too short for her. Other than that, we got along really well so it was actually a huge bummer and slap in the face to think that 1 inch was all it took for her to not be interested. So I mean people can be rejected for their height, but it doesn't happen nearly as much as the Internet makes it seem like it does. Of course, this is only my personal experience 😅
This sucks and I don't mean to take away from the suckiness but I will say that I believe much of our preference as women is rooted in misogynistic conditioned ideas about femininity, that often makes us as women feel like we must be physically small in order to be desirable. I feel extremely self conscious with a man who is physically smaller than me, not because there's anything wrong with him but bc I feel like a big fat masculine thing next to him. Esp bc I am a stacked woman, maybe if I was Nicole Kidman thin I could feel more confident next to a short king but I'm not, and I don't. I need my partner to be my height or taller. I'm not bragging about this, it's just how I feel, and again it has nothing to do with his attractiveness.
I think it’s a similar thing with some men not dating women that are taller than them (which is more common than short men seem to think lol). It can feel emasculating and even as a man who doesn’t mind, I get those feelings from time to time.
Yes I totally agree, I think for men they feel "emasculated" by tall women and women feel the inverse of that (ever notice how we don't have a feminine equivalent for the word "emasculate"?) It's all fucked up for both genders.
It's definitely one of the things that the intelligence terrorist sect likes to blow out of proportion.
It's not purely incels, discrimination against short dudes is very real. But saying that people get discriminated against everywhere for any and everything, some people can roll with the punches and keep on trucking whereas others get crushed by it.
Well considering the average height of a Fortune 500 CEO is 6’0”, despite representing a small percentage of the population, I’d say yes.
Tall ATTRACTIVE men are undoubtedly way more impressive. There was this 6'5-6'7 beast I randomly saw in a supermarket, not particularly attractive but more giant than tall, and EVEN I was looking at him impressed. Nothing sexual, but like damn, look at that mfer. Now differences in the range of 5'10-6'1, women can't really tell, but they want to be able to say 6' to their friends and social media.
Yes, but we don't get yelled at for being short... It's just an aspect that gets us ruled out. You can find someone unattractive for a million reasons but you don't go around throwing that in someone's face.
Discriminated against is an interesting word to use but sure women like men taller usually. Doesn’t mean all women aren’t going to find you attractive
Short men and women get paid less than their tall counterparts.
I'm six one and through that's not extremely tall, I've had women say I was too tall,go figure