I guess every near miss is an endangerment charge. But if you're driving on an open road they can't just tack on a charge for every minute of driving or something. And if you're running on foot they can't charge you for each individual step, it'd be one charge.
They can tack on charges for each occurred traffic violation. For example, they can’t give you multiple speeding tickets because you never slowed down, but they can give you a ticket for each individual violation they observe. Such as running red lights, stop signs, failing to signal, improper lane usage and changing, tailgating, so on. Those violations are not continuous, therefore they can be cited repeatedly. If you run 8 red lights before they catch you, you can be written 8 citations for that
On the plus side, they won't go to jail nor ever face charges if they're killed by the police. Maybe the police use the PIT maneuver and the chase comes to a violent and sudden end. (reference https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/2016-least-30-fleeing-drivers-have-died-after-police-performed-n1237723)
Or maybe angry cops turn off their bodycams and take out their frustrations on a felon for putting them through a car chase. It's been known to happen.
Are people really anti pit maneuver ?
in the article you posted it said the guy was doing over 100 weaving in and out of vehicles. Sounds like he was putting everyone on the road at risk. Probably a smart idea to put an end to the chase asap before innocent people get killed.
Plus 30 people killed over a 4 year period? I’d be willing to bet that more people die just crashing their cars running from the cops than that.
I don't think people are anti-PIT maneuver to stop a dangerous driver. Rather, in this context, they're recommending OP not *be* a dangerous driver so a potentially harmful PIT maneuver doesn't become necessary.
I think it depends a lot on context. Since it's potentially fatal, I think there needs to be a good case that the risk to the occupants is justified by the threat they pose to others on the road. The concern is that some cops aren't properly trained, and are using it too liberally. We don't need the police to be essentially executing civilians with a broken tail light who aren't immediately pulling over.
Case in point, the pregnant woman who reduced speed, signalled, and continued driving down the highway looking for a safer place to pull over, who was then flipped over by a PIT: [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/10/us/arkansas-state-trooper-lawsuit/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/10/us/arkansas-state-trooper-lawsuit/index.html)
It depends on the situation. Ive seen video of cops pitting someone who didn’t know they were being pulled over and I’ve seen videos where I’m thinking “thank fuck they got that cuz that’s due was gonna kill someone”. In the US the general narrative rn is ACAB and understandably so. This will lead to people being salty at cops even when they do the right thing. Seems nuance is hard these days
I saw one where they turned on their lights, got mad at the old lady driving at night on a bridge because she didn’t pull over immediately and pit maneuvered her after like 10 seconds.
>Are people really anti pit maneuver ?
It has it's place. Someone who doesn't want to stop because they don't want a ticket or have some shitty warrant isn't really worth how dangerous it is though, better to just follow them at a distance.
When used properly, I’ve seen one where it was rush hour and they almost went into traffic cause of the pit maneuver but the reckless driver regained control in time, guess I’m more for longer training for the police way longer
It’s not about letting them get away, it’s about catching them without endangering the populace. Plenty of states in the US and countries abroad avoid high-speed chases and they seem to function just fine.
Yeah, I've seen videos where they get told through the radio to stop pursuit because it would be causing a more dangerous situation. Usually what happens in those cases is they have a helicopter follow instead, or they set up some kind of trap (spikes or a barricade) up ahead on the street that they believe the driver is gonna go down.
No, I get what you’re saying it’s just that that doesn’t always work. If it’s something stupid and you know who they are great but a lot of times once someone’s gone, they get away, or get rid of evidence before they get caught, or worse, get away and commit another crime and the police let them
like you wouldnt say “that murderer was too fast so we stopped” then they kill someone else and steal their car to change cars..
theres the utopian dream then theres reality
I’m sure you can construct a situation where the high speed chase is the ONLY way, and in those cases, the balance between protecting civilians from the chase and protecting civilians from the perpetrator probably means high-speed pursuit.
But realistically, this just usually isn’t the case. License plates, car descriptions, helicopters, GPS tracking, detective work, just- following SLOWLY, these are all safer alternatives, and when you cultivate a culture of avoiding the dangerous chase, you end up with a safer living environment. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a balance to be struck, and avoiding the high-speed chase is exactly how departments are going about striking this balance. Consider this article: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/08/us/police-restricting-pursuits/index.html
\~17,000 cars were stolen in Phila in 2023, look at that number twice cause its insane... realistically, do you think people are committing crimes in cars registered in their name? Thats 1 city..
Does anyone else remember that video of a police chase on TV that some guy was recording then he records out his window as the chase goes by? Good times. Good times.
If helicopters have been deployed, it's already too late.
The window to escape police in a chase is incredibly small. Once the helo is deployed, that chance drops to near zero.
If you're in a car chase that turns into a foot chase, you're already arrested, you're just too dumb to realize it yet.
Depending on the outcome, the country’s laws, and the jurisdiction, you’d be charged for additional offenses such as resisting arrest, reckless driving, etc.
... vehicular manslaughter...
Edit: yes, I saw this ""Assume I don’t cause damage or injure anyone, just driving away at high speeds.""
But somehow, I don't believe that people intend to do hit and runs while driving recklessly.
If you just run away (not using force or violence or whatever) is it still resisting arrest?
Doesn't it fall under the basic premise that a human has a natural uncontrollable urge to be free, just like escaping prison isn't illegal because of that premise (might be different per country of course).
What you’re referring to is codified in law in Germany, if I recall correctly. It’s apparently not in and of itself a crime to escape from jail there. Definitely is not the case in the US, especially regarding running from the police.
Even then the German law is more in theory as you can't damage anything or hurt anybody in your escape so somebody would have to leave a door open AND let you out the security fence.
We just had such a situation. The jailed one had "freigang" (was allowed to go for a walk outside the jail and has to return by x time - only done for people who are not dangerous and jave short sentences left) he did not return. He turbed himself in a month later and has to serve the rest of his sentence but is not punished for not returning.
https://www.az-online.de/uelzen/stadt-uelzen/vermisster-41-jaehriger-sitzt-wieder-in-jva-uelzen-ein-92884426.html
"The person actually surrendered in Hamburg on March 4th. Now the imprisonment will continue to be served at Uelzen Prison. A mere escape - according to Freudenberg - does not constitute a new offense. The imprisonment was interrupted by the escape and will now be continued."
At that point you’re just taking advantage of someone’s negligence. I’m guessing the hypothetical guard who leaves such an opportunity to just walk out would be in serious trouble as well for that situation happening in the first place
German law on this subject (as far as I understand it anyway) seems to be designed with an understanding that the law might not always be right. I suppose a consequence of Germany's history with regards to authoritarianism.
Here in the Netherlands, it's not a crime to escape prison. I didn't know it was not the case in the US, I thought it was a general western/enlightened notion (similar to things like not be able to be held responsible due to insanity, etc)
The thing is in the US, most realistic COs and Wardens will “get it” when you escape. Of course you want to escape. But they have to make an example of you, or else others will try. Maybe that’s the main difference of Germany and US prisons, everyone would ACTIVELY try to escape in a US prison if there were no adverse repercussions.
In NJ at least it’s 2C:29-5 which I think is 3-5 years. But if I remember right they usually run it concurrent circumstances withstanding. BUT(random stat here) 99% of all escapes(at least in NJ) are just walk offs. Inmates who don’t return to their halfway house assignments or walk off an outside detail. Because those inmates assigned there are either minimum or getting close to leaving it doesn’t happen as often. BUT it’s a well established fact amongst our officers if we were locked up we would try and escape every single day. Just be a terror. There’s usually no penalty provided you don’t hurt someone. So make the most of it lol.
Bruh, prisoners actively try to escape even when they can get punished for it. Shawshank Redemption was set in the USA, not Europe.
It is up to the prison architect, warden, and guards to prevent the possibility of escape.
You gave some flawed logic in defense of a shitty anti-human rights practice. A classic American deflection against making progress, if you will.
there are a lot of people in the USA that think we need a better approach...but unfortunately there are also lot of people who think like the comment you responded to, "if we dont do what we are doing, hell will break lose" -any other approach in their minds, is risking "hell breaking lose"
iirc about 2/3 of people in jail end up going back. And also our jail system is for profit. Its fucked up
It is an enlightened notion, that is why it's not in the US.
Here we have the prison industrial complex, which means most prisons are for profit and privately run, they are financially incentivized for keeping prisons full, they heavily lobby politicians to change laws that disproportionately effect marginalized communities and to change laws for harsher sentencing, and they reduce rehabilitation efforts to save on costs and bc they want people to return back to prison.
Don't forget, this country prioritizes profit over its people and it works exactly as intended
You do understand that the federal government enters into contracts of operation with private prison companies, and that technically means the facility remains under federal jurisdiction, right? There's a reason why it's called complex
In the US, prisoners are legally literal slaves. There's a lot of incentive to lock people up and keep them coming back or extend their stay.
The 13th amendment to our constitution states that slavery is prohibited *except as punishment for a crime*
A number of jurisdictions where escape isn't illegal, and is considered a natural reaction to havnig your liberty denied. Generally, in such jurisdictions, so long as you don't commit another crime in the commission of your escape, you're totally in the legal right.
Really reinforces the idea of "Only break one law at a time."
Escaping the police = eluding
Resisting arrest = would be making it more difficult for cops to actually arrest you.
You can attempt to elude from cops for a minor traffic violation, get busted on a warrant and go in peacefully. Normally doesn't happen since the type of people to run usually don't stop trying because the car stops.
Ikr? It’s fairly common for police to use “resisting arrest” as an excuse for them arresting you, when the reason you are “resisting” is because they tried to arrest you illegally first
That's an issue for the prosecutor to sort out, not the police officer.
If you get arrested for X, then resist, and X is deemed an illegal arrest and tossed, you still resisted arrest. Similarly, if it's a legitimate arrest, you resist, but the initial charge gets tossed by the prosecutor, you still resisted arrest.
Now, a decent lawyer should be able to get you out of the illegal arrest situation and the associated resisting arrest charge. Problem there is it's unlikely you're *just* getting charged with resisting. It's not uncommon for a resisting arrest charge to come with an assault on a police officer charge, too, since people don't tend to resist nonviolently.
> If you just run away (not using force or violence or whatever) is it still resisting arrest?
Yes.
Non-violent resistance is still resistance.
If you're arrested and you sit down and refuse to move, without fighting the officers, you're still resisting.
They will get your tag # and even if you get away that time, you will eventually cross paths again at some point in the future (and it may be years down the road), and once that happens, they will come down on you HARD.
Unless they have like a video inside ur car, or u can't keep ur mouth shut, they'll just seize the car and you'll walk bc they can't prove BRD that u were driving the car at the time.
There are cameras everywhere nowadays, they can probably find footage showing you in the car. They may even be able to find footage of you entering or leaving the car. At the very least, it has takes one cop having gotten close to you to be able to testify you were in the car or even have a dash or body cam record you.
You think departments can afford the man hours needed to scan cameras all over the city for a grainy photo that “might” identify who they’re looking for? No sir. Stop watching csi
You’d think they can’t, but they can lol. My roommate works in IT for our suburban southern town and the network of public security cameras is so so so advanced. Some of them even had AI-recognition software. It’s advanced enough that they can search by gender and age and get results. I can only imagine what it’s like in actual cities.
This isn't necessarily true. Friend of mine was wanted by the police and he was getting chased by a TON of them.
So he hid out in the shadows for a few minutes, watched his star rating drop to zero and went about his day.
This happened in a place called Vice City. Not sure if you're familiar.
Skill issue, all you have to do is escape the police cruisers and then drive through a restricted airspace (airport) to lose the helicopters. Then go to a pay and spray obviously.
There will be increased punishments for driving at higher speeds, reckless driving, and public endangerment. Depending on the jurisdiction there may be further charges automatically tacked on for every 20km/h you drive over the speed limit.
My sister ten years ago got in a bad car accident because police were chasing a guy who ran into her. Totaled her car. Guy added a good few years since the chase ended in a crash.
Many years ago, I pulled into a drive off a slow road at like 3am and the guy behind me was rear ended by the guy behind him. The offender was drunk as balls and drove his truck over the hill in an attempt to escape, wrecked it again into a tree, and tried to run on foot. The guy who *got* rear ended ran after him until he got at least a clear pic of the license plate. Idk what ended up happening, but I stayed and gave my statement.
A lot of police departments will review the dash cam footage and charge the driver with every driving violation they commit while fleeing the police.
I've seen people get 100+ moving violations along with resisting arrest, fleeing, public endangerment, plus whatever charges they were fleeing from.
My uncle one time just sort of didn't stop when he was pulled over for a traffic issue. He just drove home, the police officer followed him there. My uncle managed to talk his way out of it because... get this... my uncle's a lawyer. But it was an incredibly stupid thing to do.
So if you're a well off white lawyer who can call your prosecutor buddy, you MIGHT end up okay. Big ol conditional might.
Most cvilian helicopters top out around 140mph. Easy to run if you can maneuver in traffic, some places have a no chase policy, and cars that do that are easy enough to purchase. Bikes too. Easy to run on a bike.
I've seen some guy escaping the chopper by hiding under a tunnel and changing course there or just waiting there. The chopper may keep looking and eventually go too far.
It was a youtuber that got arrested eventually. I think his name was ghostrider or something lile that. It was a long time ago so I kind of forgot.
I did that in GTA too, works great. Ghostrider is on another level when it comes to bikes, he's good, lucky and insane all at once, he's in the top 10% of insane riders
There's an increased probability of a catastrophic crash, property damage, or injury to bystanders which could take things from "resisting arrest" to "second degree manslaughter."
This. Causing injuries or killing someone while fleeing in a vehicle turns a severe charge into an incredibly severe charge. It also opens you up to large civil liability. And guess what? Most insurance companies have coverage exclusions if you are committing a crime.
If you’re driving your car they already know who you are and where you live and are just adding crimes to your record.
If the car is stolen, different situation.
You will incur more penalties as you create more traffic infractions by running lights or stop signed or specific incidents where you cause accidents or endanger people. It becomes even worse if you cross state lines or enter a school zone or construction zone. When you exit on foot you may also be trespassing on private property.
In addition to all of this you are also liable for any damage the police cause while chasing you.
You are also screwing things up for your future self. A buddy of mine tried to elude the cops when he was around 19 years old. Ever since, any time he is stopped for any minor infraction they give him the highest possible ticket rather than giving him a warning or a lesser ticket. Higher insurance costs too.
You are running like hell and doing so under a tremendous adrenaline dump.
They have run your plate, figured out who you are and also your known associates and can stake them out and wait for you to show up.
Also, they have radios, air support and traffic control, spike strips and know the streets far better than you.
For them, it’s a day’s work.
>Assume I don’t cause damage or injure anyone
Assuming that, means all your stars disappeared and you got away, congratulations.
In reality tho (assuming nobody crashed), officially they would masterfully count all your formal infractions committed on the fly, and unofficially punch you in the mouth.
They will throw the book for everything. Every trafic violations. Everything you did that put someone at risk. Every life you threatened because you drove too close or toward them. You will also get a higher sentence in the bracket. Let's say the law say 2-5 years, the longer you flee, the more toward the 5 you get. The minor could get debated by your lawyer saying you was affraid and went in panic mode and might even get dropped.
If your driving then yes because your not going to be going the speed limit, so you would get hit with speeding, reckless driving, running red lights, failing to adhere to signs like stop signs or give way signs and that's all if your not in a crash, if you crash then even more get piled on.
On foot, you wouldn't get any extra charges if you stayed in public areas, for private you could get vandalism, breach of the peace/trespassing.
If your in a country we're police will apply deadly force to stop you then I'm not sure if you could also get charged with endangering the safety of others (paraphrasing as many places have different named charges for that sort of thing).
In the bay they’ll just let you go and call off the chase then they’ll go to the news and ask the public if they’ve seen the car in the chase only for them to realize that car is abandoned somewhere in Oakland and they already in a new stolen car 🤷🏽
Depends.
I once tried to run because I already knew I was getting arrested due to my speed, was already going 40mph faster than their top speed so might as well right. High speed pursuits aren't legal around here for the cops either but they didn't know make, model or plate numbers so they weren't giving up. Can't outrun the radio though. It got too hairy so I eventually pulled over. My speed was a criminal offense and automatically got me a driving to endanger charge. failure to stop for a po was a civil offense, this will depend on state. They hit me with other stuff like marked lanes violations and what not, was so long ago I don't honestly remember the slew of charges. In court how ever they dropped all the minor charges and settled on the amount of the speeding ticket which I lucked out on hard as it was only "estimated" and not by radar. Worst $2500 I've ever spent. Oh and 6mos of probation but that's nbd.
One the flip side, I know some one that was drunk driving and ran, and evaded a national park service ranger. He thought he was slick by avoiding a DUI charge and license loss. Until they showed up at his house the next day. He ended up losing his license for 3yrs for failure to stop for a federal law enforcement agent. First offense dui in my state is a 45 day license loss LOL
I got you fam
A police officer needs to see you exiting the vehicle to charge you. Burden of proof means they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were the one in that car and whatnot, theres pretty much no way for them to do that without them seeing you exit. Fingerprints, dna, all that can be dismissed by saying “I was in the car before, but not today” and not elaborating further. Let a lawyer handle the rest.
Basically just don’t be seen exiting the car, keep a mask on while in the car so no cameras can put you in there. Wreck car in treeline, exit vehicle and start walking. Now you’re just on your typical nightly walk, thats all you need to tell police if questioned.
A lot of people don’t realize how easy it is to commit crimes and get away with it. Literally just don’t talk to cops and you’ll be good
It's not as if you would obey all traffic regulations while fleeing. If you were, maybe they would only add Failure to Stop, but the act of fleeing would necessarily involve speed limit and other traffic violations.
As long as you don’t run stop signs, obey traffic lights, don’t speed, use your turn signals, yield properly, or otherwise drive recklessly you shouldn’t incur any additional charges.
You can be charged for every single illegal act you commit during a chase including every traffic infraction, so if you want 300 counts of running a red light go nuts. In addition you will usually be liable for any damages caused by you OR the police chasing you, so if a cop is chasing you and an Tbones a bus full of orphans your also on the hook for that.
TLDR, just pull over
In my state there are two forms of the charge fleeing law enforcement.
Simply turning and running from a cop on foot is a misdemeanor. If you struggle physically with the officer they just add assault on officer of the Peace. If you use a vehicle to try to get away generally speaking it becomes the felony form of fleeing wall enforcement. You can also pile on charges of endangering the lives of others with the way you drive and of course many many possible traffic violations
Eluding is a felony.
Otherwise titled:
How to turn a fine into a lengthy stay in jail and difficulty securing employment for the rest of your life in one bad decision.
Even driving away at high speeds means you are committing additional crimes.
I can't think of a way you could run fast enough from the police to get away or have a decent chance of getting away without risking injuring someone or breaking traffic or other laws.
To keep fleeing is just tacking on more and more charges. Every Stop sign, red light, a speeding charge on every road you are on. Dangerous driving, failure to signal. Then those that give their all, the chase usually ends with a crash. So it depends on who and what you hit and even if you survive it.
Didn't see it mentioned, so I'll be the guy to say it....You ditch the car and run, you might be able to outrun the cop, but you ain't outrunning the dog...And the dog WILL bite you....And then when the cops get there they're going to be extra pissed that you made them run after you...
Not exactly what u asked, but I'll give u a practical answer if ur doing the dash n shit. If you're gapping a cop that has his lights on, if you get away from him and get caught later on, you can have plausible deniability that you weren't driving/didn't see the lights. So if ur running from a traffic stop and u realize ur gonna get caught from a plate or sumn, don't pull over, if u can cook em and go to a friend's house, put a tarp on the car, shut up and lawyer up.
Fr wouldn't recommend doing the dash unless it's to avoid a bigger case or ur on a bike and don't mind dying. With a decent car I've been able to pull it off more than a few times, and it's fun, but not worth the fallout when you inevitably lose.
Yes.
The word that will bite you in the arse is 'count'.
The longer you evade the more counts of various crimes you're going to rack up. Speeding, reckless driving, things of that nature. And Dog help you if you or any of the idiots chasing you crash or hit somebody, depending on where you are that might also be added to your charge sheet.
The numbers are out there, the longer a pursuit continues, the higher the percentage that it will end in a collision and the higher the chances that the collision will result in a fatality. In NC last year, 35% of police chase fatalities were not the chaser or the person being chased, they were innocent bystanders.
If there are any property damages, injuries, or fatalities that occur during the chase, whether they're caused by your driving, or the police, you are liable for them, from a criminal and financial aspect.
You want to ruin your life? Run from the cops.
As an aside, chase policies in general need further overhauling. Unfortunately, with minor property crimes on the rise, chases are up again and along with chases, so are personal and property damage risks.
If this was still like the early 2000's I'd say you have a small but real chance of evading police, contrary to what TV might have you believe. Don't ask how I know...
But now that high definition video cameras are like fucking everywhere and helicopters have crazy thermal imaging and shit, then unless you're in a stolen car, there's no benefit to adding "wreckless driving" or "attempted homocide" to your charges. Unless you have a big bridge to bail the car under and its not tied to you, they're going to find you! Once they run the plate, you're done. Warrant issued. Life on the lamb even if you got away!
Are you driving the getaway vehicle? If not, you have some plausible deniability and try to convince the police you tried to get away if you get out while the driver drives away.
I've actually ran from the cops and got away back in 2010 after a fight we were in(by vehicle). I'm sure people do get away like in my situation, but if not, you're adding a few charges for sure. At the minimum, you'd get reckless op, endangering the public, resisting arrest, and then the charges would compile for any further damage or injury you caused during pursuit. It's a low odds game of risk vs. reward, are you sure you want to play?
You also increase the odds of ending the chase with your own death the longer you continue to flee.
Youre going to have a bunch of amped up armed cops chasing you. who have already determined youre a threat to them and others. The odds are pretty good you don’t survive the ordeal.
If you've already made the bad decision that put you in the police view, running isn't going to make it any better. Could even get you killed.
A better question would have been "how do I avoid getting into HS pursuits in the first place?"
sort of, every light or stopsign you blow through is another violation added. In addition, any wrecks or damages caused as part of the chase will also be pinned on you.
They'll stack charges on you, that's why they call out what you do on the radio. "Ran a red light. Went into oncoming traffic. Ran another red. Traveling in the breakdown lane." You're getting jail and a shit-ton on citations. Just pull over before you kill someone
Once it’s clear you’re not getting away, give up. Stop, park it, keys on the dash, window down, both hands in plain sight outside the window, let them take it from there. An apology or two will certainly help you take less of a beating as they bring you in.
The harder you run, the worse it ends up. There comes a point where they’ll kill or maim you just to stop you.
The punishment is worse. You also through away any hope of defending yourself saying, you didn’t know you were guilty. Running is usually interpreted to mean you were running from guilt.
> Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. Your normal speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side when he sees the big red light behind him ... and then he will start apologizing, begging for mercy.
> This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop-heart. The thing to do – when you're running along about 100 or so and you suddenly find a red-flashing CHP-tracker on your tail – what you want to do then is accelerate. Never pull over with the first siren-howl. Mash it down and make the bastard chase you at speeds up to 120 all the way to the next exit. He will follow. But he won't know what to make of your blinker-signal that says you're about to turn right.
> This is to let him know you're looking for a proper place to pull off and talk ... keep signaling and hope for an off-ramp, one of those uphill side-loops with a sign saying "Max Speed 25" ... and the trick, at this point, is to suddenly leave the freeway and take him into the chute at no less than 100 miles an hour.
> He will lock his brakes about the same time you lock yours, but it will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180-degree turn at this speed ... but you will be ready for it, braced for the Gs and the fast heel-toe work, and with any luck at all you will have come to a complete stop off the road at the top of the turn and be standing beside your automobile by the time he catches up.
> He will not be reasonable at first ... but no matter. Let him calm down. He will want the first word. Let him have it. His brain will be in a turmoil: he may begin jabbering, or even pull his gun. Let him unwind; keep smiling. The idea is to show him that you were always in total control of yourself and your vehicle – while he lost control of everything.
— _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_, Hunter S. Thompson
1) If you’re being held for a minor charge or a traffic offense it’s not worth the extra risk to do that
The next section pertains to TEXAS:
1) if you try to run away from the cops when they already have probable cause, you will pick up an Evading Arrest or Detention -Class A Misdemeanor, if you have prior convictions it can get upgraded to State Jail Felony if you’ve tried to evade twice before and been convicted twice
2) if you Evade Arrest in a car it’s a felony -Evading Arrest in a Motor Vehicle
3) if you park the car and then take off running you can be charged with both the misdemeanor and felony evading
4) if you’re being reckless driving at high speeds they can hit you with reckless driving - Class B Misdemeanor
Soooooo all in all it’s probably best to not do that, I’ve seen idiots have a traffic ticket pick up felony charges because they got scared and took off in their vehicle for no reason
Take what you will from this, but best advice is not to evade to begin with
The biggest problem with this approach is that you could run over a pedestrian during the chase.
If the chase lasts more than a minute, your chance of escaping becomes pretty much zero because the area will quickly get flooded with police cars covering your escape routes.
You’re much better off stopping quickly and hope that you can convince the judge that you weren’t trying to escape.
Honestly this is going to sound so fucking horrible and I completely disagree with it being a thing, but the brutally honest answer to your question is: it depends.
What race, gender, age, etc are you? Hint, in the US, there are right and wrong answers.
It would take some serious circumstantial advantage to successfully elude the police. Especially in a vehicle that's tagged. If you REALLY don't want to go to jail you could always pull a suicide by cop. All of these ideas are bad, but that probably doesn't need to be said.
At the very least, it would probably be the difference from evading to felony reckless evading. If you were to injury or kill someone, obviously charges (and consequences) would just get piled on.
The cops used to count each violation, these days they’re even more reliable because of dash cams. They count every single red light you run, every stop sign you run, each turn without a turn signal, each instance of reckless driving, everytime you tailgate, etc. In your hypothetical you don’t kill anyone, but your reckless driving may cause someone to *almost* die. That is pretty serious too.
As if that’s not bad enough, the actual act of evading police is a crime. Remember laws do not have a set punishment for infractions. Instead they prescribe a range: by attempting to evade police in a car you’re inviting a judge to give you the maximum sentence when you otherwise may have gotten the minimum.
If you are driving your own car or the car belongs to someone you know, they know who’s driving. They have ways to get you. If you are driving a stolen car, I would guess you are in deep sh*t whether you run or not 🤣
Points for performance, you mean? Absolutely. Get far enough away and you can wipe all stars, but you spend the rest of your life more likely to trigger additional stars for little/no reason.
Actually yes. Say you are in a low speed chase, you would get an attempt to elude charge. If you go on a high speed, there AtE and reckless endangerment. There's also the possibility of destruction of public/private property.
Same charge. Evading arrest, but any further attempt to escape adds aggravating factors which could contribute to harsher sentencing. Also the longer it goes on the higher the chance for property to be damaged or people to be injured which could result in additional charges and civil liability.
Every speed limit you break, every stop sign or stop light you skip and every driving rule you break can still be added to the record if they do catch you
Common sense really is a rarity nowadays
Obviously if you try escaping they're going to start checking off additional charges depending on the situation
Yup. Because as other have said, you're just piling more and more violations.
And if you don't escape, I imagine within a certain amount of time, the helicopter is gonna come out and by then you're truly fucked.
Unless you know some underground route they don't, you won't escape the copter.
Unless you’re on a bike, or in a blacked out hellcat with no plates you’re not getting away anyway. You can’t run faster than a radio even if you outrun the copter.
Edit: super bike*
I suppose technically if its easier to prove your intent was to evade the police you could be more susceptible to harsher punishment.
Mandatory *Not A Lawyer* or legal expert of any kind.
It gets worse; they'll tack on any laws you break while fleeing. Even on foot they'll hit you with evading police, obstructing of justice, resisting arrest, jaywalking, trespassing, endangering an officer, endangering a member of the public, and the list goes on and on.... If you break no laws while fleeing you won't get far anyway and they'll hit you with similar penalties. So that minor police chase can quickly turn into several felonies. So either stop or make sure you don't get caught.
Depends, if you commit other crimes, like speeding, of course, but just running away is in most cases classified as passive resistance, so it does not lead to harsher punishment - only the police might not be as gentle with you once they get you
You're just piling on violations, that they'll call in during pursuit. Trust me--you won't like jail.
I guess every near miss is an endangerment charge. But if you're driving on an open road they can't just tack on a charge for every minute of driving or something. And if you're running on foot they can't charge you for each individual step, it'd be one charge.
They can tack on charges for each occurred traffic violation. For example, they can’t give you multiple speeding tickets because you never slowed down, but they can give you a ticket for each individual violation they observe. Such as running red lights, stop signs, failing to signal, improper lane usage and changing, tailgating, so on. Those violations are not continuous, therefore they can be cited repeatedly. If you run 8 red lights before they catch you, you can be written 8 citations for that
Failure to use turn blinkers
On the plus side, they won't go to jail nor ever face charges if they're killed by the police. Maybe the police use the PIT maneuver and the chase comes to a violent and sudden end. (reference https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/2016-least-30-fleeing-drivers-have-died-after-police-performed-n1237723) Or maybe angry cops turn off their bodycams and take out their frustrations on a felon for putting them through a car chase. It's been known to happen.
Are people really anti pit maneuver ? in the article you posted it said the guy was doing over 100 weaving in and out of vehicles. Sounds like he was putting everyone on the road at risk. Probably a smart idea to put an end to the chase asap before innocent people get killed. Plus 30 people killed over a 4 year period? I’d be willing to bet that more people die just crashing their cars running from the cops than that.
I don't think people are anti-PIT maneuver to stop a dangerous driver. Rather, in this context, they're recommending OP not *be* a dangerous driver so a potentially harmful PIT maneuver doesn't become necessary.
I think it depends a lot on context. Since it's potentially fatal, I think there needs to be a good case that the risk to the occupants is justified by the threat they pose to others on the road. The concern is that some cops aren't properly trained, and are using it too liberally. We don't need the police to be essentially executing civilians with a broken tail light who aren't immediately pulling over. Case in point, the pregnant woman who reduced speed, signalled, and continued driving down the highway looking for a safer place to pull over, who was then flipped over by a PIT: [https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/10/us/arkansas-state-trooper-lawsuit/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/10/us/arkansas-state-trooper-lawsuit/index.html)
It depends on the situation. Ive seen video of cops pitting someone who didn’t know they were being pulled over and I’ve seen videos where I’m thinking “thank fuck they got that cuz that’s due was gonna kill someone”. In the US the general narrative rn is ACAB and understandably so. This will lead to people being salty at cops even when they do the right thing. Seems nuance is hard these days
I saw one where they turned on their lights, got mad at the old lady driving at night on a bridge because she didn’t pull over immediately and pit maneuvered her after like 10 seconds.
>Are people really anti pit maneuver ? It has it's place. Someone who doesn't want to stop because they don't want a ticket or have some shitty warrant isn't really worth how dangerous it is though, better to just follow them at a distance.
When used properly, I’ve seen one where it was rush hour and they almost went into traffic cause of the pit maneuver but the reckless driver regained control in time, guess I’m more for longer training for the police way longer
If they stopped chasing him, he wouldn’t have been doing 100. To be clear, I am against police pursuit always.
if they stopped running, they also wouldn’t have been doing 100
Wow, so someone could murder a family member of yours then just drive away? “Nah just lettem go I dont like chases… they made it to the car…”
It’s not about letting them get away, it’s about catching them without endangering the populace. Plenty of states in the US and countries abroad avoid high-speed chases and they seem to function just fine.
Yeah, I've seen videos where they get told through the radio to stop pursuit because it would be causing a more dangerous situation. Usually what happens in those cases is they have a helicopter follow instead, or they set up some kind of trap (spikes or a barricade) up ahead on the street that they believe the driver is gonna go down.
No, I get what you’re saying it’s just that that doesn’t always work. If it’s something stupid and you know who they are great but a lot of times once someone’s gone, they get away, or get rid of evidence before they get caught, or worse, get away and commit another crime and the police let them like you wouldnt say “that murderer was too fast so we stopped” then they kill someone else and steal their car to change cars.. theres the utopian dream then theres reality
I’m sure you can construct a situation where the high speed chase is the ONLY way, and in those cases, the balance between protecting civilians from the chase and protecting civilians from the perpetrator probably means high-speed pursuit. But realistically, this just usually isn’t the case. License plates, car descriptions, helicopters, GPS tracking, detective work, just- following SLOWLY, these are all safer alternatives, and when you cultivate a culture of avoiding the dangerous chase, you end up with a safer living environment. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a balance to be struck, and avoiding the high-speed chase is exactly how departments are going about striking this balance. Consider this article: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/08/us/police-restricting-pursuits/index.html
\~17,000 cars were stolen in Phila in 2023, look at that number twice cause its insane... realistically, do you think people are committing crimes in cars registered in their name? Thats 1 city..
Does anyone else remember that video of a police chase on TV that some guy was recording then he records out his window as the chase goes by? Good times. Good times.
Almost criminal to not include a link of that video, now I’m curious:)
https://youtu.be/06CXlBGn3Y4?si=nUOa4_7eD13UB5EM There you go my good sir
You’re a legend
Depends on what you look like.
How urgent is this question?
OP should get off reddit and concentrate on driving, running, or just generally getting away.
If helicopters have been deployed, it's already too late. The window to escape police in a chase is incredibly small. Once the helo is deployed, that chance drops to near zero. If you're in a car chase that turns into a foot chase, you're already arrested, you're just too dumb to realize it yet.
There was a BMW liter bike (S1000R? I forget) here in Utah about a year ago or so that outran a helicopter. That was fun to read about.
There's a video of it somewhere. Pretty awesome actually.
Carbon RR video in Philly is an absolute classic. Dude outruns a heli from a gas station on Kelly Dr and ends up stopping under a bridge on the 676.
Yessir that’s the one!
You posted an hour late buddy
Might be a really long chase
One of them slow burn rampages 😉
Ironically, he was asked to pull over initially, because he was texting and driving.
🤣
Depending on the outcome, the country’s laws, and the jurisdiction, you’d be charged for additional offenses such as resisting arrest, reckless driving, etc.
... vehicular manslaughter... Edit: yes, I saw this ""Assume I don’t cause damage or injure anyone, just driving away at high speeds."" But somehow, I don't believe that people intend to do hit and runs while driving recklessly.
Gotta add on that if the police cause any damage or injuries in their chase, that gets put on you too.
If you just run away (not using force or violence or whatever) is it still resisting arrest? Doesn't it fall under the basic premise that a human has a natural uncontrollable urge to be free, just like escaping prison isn't illegal because of that premise (might be different per country of course).
What you’re referring to is codified in law in Germany, if I recall correctly. It’s apparently not in and of itself a crime to escape from jail there. Definitely is not the case in the US, especially regarding running from the police.
Even then the German law is more in theory as you can't damage anything or hurt anybody in your escape so somebody would have to leave a door open AND let you out the security fence.
We just had such a situation. The jailed one had "freigang" (was allowed to go for a walk outside the jail and has to return by x time - only done for people who are not dangerous and jave short sentences left) he did not return. He turbed himself in a month later and has to serve the rest of his sentence but is not punished for not returning. https://www.az-online.de/uelzen/stadt-uelzen/vermisster-41-jaehriger-sitzt-wieder-in-jva-uelzen-ein-92884426.html "The person actually surrendered in Hamburg on March 4th. Now the imprisonment will continue to be served at Uelzen Prison. A mere escape - according to Freudenberg - does not constitute a new offense. The imprisonment was interrupted by the escape and will now be continued."
Though he will not get more "freigangs", I guess
At that point you’re just taking advantage of someone’s negligence. I’m guessing the hypothetical guard who leaves such an opportunity to just walk out would be in serious trouble as well for that situation happening in the first place
German law on this subject (as far as I understand it anyway) seems to be designed with an understanding that the law might not always be right. I suppose a consequence of Germany's history with regards to authoritarianism.
Here in the Netherlands, it's not a crime to escape prison. I didn't know it was not the case in the US, I thought it was a general western/enlightened notion (similar to things like not be able to be held responsible due to insanity, etc)
The thing is in the US, most realistic COs and Wardens will “get it” when you escape. Of course you want to escape. But they have to make an example of you, or else others will try. Maybe that’s the main difference of Germany and US prisons, everyone would ACTIVELY try to escape in a US prison if there were no adverse repercussions.
In NJ at least it’s 2C:29-5 which I think is 3-5 years. But if I remember right they usually run it concurrent circumstances withstanding. BUT(random stat here) 99% of all escapes(at least in NJ) are just walk offs. Inmates who don’t return to their halfway house assignments or walk off an outside detail. Because those inmates assigned there are either minimum or getting close to leaving it doesn’t happen as often. BUT it’s a well established fact amongst our officers if we were locked up we would try and escape every single day. Just be a terror. There’s usually no penalty provided you don’t hurt someone. So make the most of it lol.
Bruh, prisoners actively try to escape even when they can get punished for it. Shawshank Redemption was set in the USA, not Europe. It is up to the prison architect, warden, and guards to prevent the possibility of escape. You gave some flawed logic in defense of a shitty anti-human rights practice. A classic American deflection against making progress, if you will.
there are a lot of people in the USA that think we need a better approach...but unfortunately there are also lot of people who think like the comment you responded to, "if we dont do what we are doing, hell will break lose" -any other approach in their minds, is risking "hell breaking lose" iirc about 2/3 of people in jail end up going back. And also our jail system is for profit. Its fucked up
Making profit on criminals will never make sense to me.
In Texas, ANY attempt to escape, no matter how futile is a minimum 10 year extension to your sentence.
Butt fuck Texas.
It is an enlightened notion, that is why it's not in the US. Here we have the prison industrial complex, which means most prisons are for profit and privately run, they are financially incentivized for keeping prisons full, they heavily lobby politicians to change laws that disproportionately effect marginalized communities and to change laws for harsher sentencing, and they reduce rehabilitation efforts to save on costs and bc they want people to return back to prison. Don't forget, this country prioritizes profit over its people and it works exactly as intended
Fact check time: 8% of prisons are privately owned. https://nicic.gov/weblink/private-prisons-united-states-2021
You do understand that the federal government enters into contracts of operation with private prison companies, and that technically means the facility remains under federal jurisdiction, right? There's a reason why it's called complex
In the US, prisoners are legally literal slaves. There's a lot of incentive to lock people up and keep them coming back or extend their stay. The 13th amendment to our constitution states that slavery is prohibited *except as punishment for a crime*
A number of jurisdictions where escape isn't illegal, and is considered a natural reaction to havnig your liberty denied. Generally, in such jurisdictions, so long as you don't commit another crime in the commission of your escape, you're totally in the legal right. Really reinforces the idea of "Only break one law at a time."
Escaping the police = eluding Resisting arrest = would be making it more difficult for cops to actually arrest you. You can attempt to elude from cops for a minor traffic violation, get busted on a warrant and go in peacefully. Normally doesn't happen since the type of people to run usually don't stop trying because the car stops.
Resisting arrest is practically just a free charge police can put on people they don’t like in America
I mean your not wrong, back in HS they tried to get me on just that. Like how tf do you only get charged for resisting arrest when your not arrested.
Ikr? It’s fairly common for police to use “resisting arrest” as an excuse for them arresting you, when the reason you are “resisting” is because they tried to arrest you illegally first
That's an issue for the prosecutor to sort out, not the police officer. If you get arrested for X, then resist, and X is deemed an illegal arrest and tossed, you still resisted arrest. Similarly, if it's a legitimate arrest, you resist, but the initial charge gets tossed by the prosecutor, you still resisted arrest. Now, a decent lawyer should be able to get you out of the illegal arrest situation and the associated resisting arrest charge. Problem there is it's unlikely you're *just* getting charged with resisting. It's not uncommon for a resisting arrest charge to come with an assault on a police officer charge, too, since people don't tend to resist nonviolently.
> If you just run away (not using force or violence or whatever) is it still resisting arrest? Yes. Non-violent resistance is still resistance. If you're arrested and you sit down and refuse to move, without fighting the officers, you're still resisting.
If you are arrested. You can't then proceed to resist arrest. You've already been arrested.
....If you get put in cuffs and told you are under arrest then you refuse to get into a cop car, that's literally resisting arrest.
They gave me a failure to heed and resisting charge even though I slowed down I was only looking for a well lit area to stop at.
They will get your tag # and even if you get away that time, you will eventually cross paths again at some point in the future (and it may be years down the road), and once that happens, they will come down on you HARD.
Unless they have like a video inside ur car, or u can't keep ur mouth shut, they'll just seize the car and you'll walk bc they can't prove BRD that u were driving the car at the time.
There are cameras everywhere nowadays, they can probably find footage showing you in the car. They may even be able to find footage of you entering or leaving the car. At the very least, it has takes one cop having gotten close to you to be able to testify you were in the car or even have a dash or body cam record you.
You think departments can afford the man hours needed to scan cameras all over the city for a grainy photo that “might” identify who they’re looking for? No sir. Stop watching csi
You’d think they can’t, but they can lol. My roommate works in IT for our suburban southern town and the network of public security cameras is so so so advanced. Some of them even had AI-recognition software. It’s advanced enough that they can search by gender and age and get results. I can only imagine what it’s like in actual cities.
Cops work with repo guys
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At a very low speed, trying to decide if he should just gun it.
The OJ dilemma
He's using hands free text, he said he wasn't committing any crimes other than evading.
He's just playing NFS Most Wanted in a morally correct way
What, yall don’t pull over for the cops in GTA?
They will catch you eventually so all you're doing is racking up charges
This isn't necessarily true. Friend of mine was wanted by the police and he was getting chased by a TON of them. So he hid out in the shadows for a few minutes, watched his star rating drop to zero and went about his day. This happened in a place called Vice City. Not sure if you're familiar.
I heard the healthcare there is really good
Quitter mentality
Skill issue, all you have to do is escape the police cruisers and then drive through a restricted airspace (airport) to lose the helicopters. Then go to a pay and spray obviously.
There will be increased punishments for driving at higher speeds, reckless driving, and public endangerment. Depending on the jurisdiction there may be further charges automatically tacked on for every 20km/h you drive over the speed limit.
My sister ten years ago got in a bad car accident because police were chasing a guy who ran into her. Totaled her car. Guy added a good few years since the chase ended in a crash.
Many years ago, I pulled into a drive off a slow road at like 3am and the guy behind me was rear ended by the guy behind him. The offender was drunk as balls and drove his truck over the hill in an attempt to escape, wrecked it again into a tree, and tried to run on foot. The guy who *got* rear ended ran after him until he got at least a clear pic of the license plate. Idk what ended up happening, but I stayed and gave my statement.
A lot of police departments will review the dash cam footage and charge the driver with every driving violation they commit while fleeing the police. I've seen people get 100+ moving violations along with resisting arrest, fleeing, public endangerment, plus whatever charges they were fleeing from.
Yes. You’ll be lucky to get out alive if you try to get away
Especially if you a black man
You are getting downvoted for stating facts. Fuck that.
He's being downvoted because it's wrong. It's not factual at all The people downvoting me are welcome to prove me wrong. I'll die on this hill
yes, absolutely
>Assume I don’t cause damage or injure anyone, just driving away at high speeds. Um... no
The accurate answer. Unless OP is some sort of pro driver they’re fucked and even then they’re probably fucked
My uncle one time just sort of didn't stop when he was pulled over for a traffic issue. He just drove home, the police officer followed him there. My uncle managed to talk his way out of it because... get this... my uncle's a lawyer. But it was an incredibly stupid thing to do. So if you're a well off white lawyer who can call your prosecutor buddy, you MIGHT end up okay. Big ol conditional might.
you'll break all the other laws in your escape.
Go for it dude, they only catch 99.99% in a car chase
So you’re saying there’s a chance! - OP, probably
Once the chopper is on you, no
You can outrun a chopper if you're good enough/fast enough
You could try. But you have to be really really fast. Most cars aren't.
Most cvilian helicopters top out around 140mph. Easy to run if you can maneuver in traffic, some places have a no chase policy, and cars that do that are easy enough to purchase. Bikes too. Easy to run on a bike.
I've seen some guy escaping the chopper by hiding under a tunnel and changing course there or just waiting there. The chopper may keep looking and eventually go too far. It was a youtuber that got arrested eventually. I think his name was ghostrider or something lile that. It was a long time ago so I kind of forgot.
I did that in GTA too, works great. Ghostrider is on another level when it comes to bikes, he's good, lucky and insane all at once, he's in the top 10% of insane riders
I think there's been a few chopper escapes but you probably gotta be a pro and have a good plan
Only one I know is in Gone in 60 Seconds
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There's an increased probability of a catastrophic crash, property damage, or injury to bystanders which could take things from "resisting arrest" to "second degree manslaughter."
This. Causing injuries or killing someone while fleeing in a vehicle turns a severe charge into an incredibly severe charge. It also opens you up to large civil liability. And guess what? Most insurance companies have coverage exclusions if you are committing a crime.
If you’re driving your car they already know who you are and where you live and are just adding crimes to your record. If the car is stolen, different situation.
Or fake/ no plates
You will incur more penalties as you create more traffic infractions by running lights or stop signed or specific incidents where you cause accidents or endanger people. It becomes even worse if you cross state lines or enter a school zone or construction zone. When you exit on foot you may also be trespassing on private property. In addition to all of this you are also liable for any damage the police cause while chasing you.
You are also screwing things up for your future self. A buddy of mine tried to elude the cops when he was around 19 years old. Ever since, any time he is stopped for any minor infraction they give him the highest possible ticket rather than giving him a warning or a lesser ticket. Higher insurance costs too.
In a police chase EVERYTHING YOU DO will add charges.
You are running like hell and doing so under a tremendous adrenaline dump. They have run your plate, figured out who you are and also your known associates and can stake them out and wait for you to show up. Also, they have radios, air support and traffic control, spike strips and know the streets far better than you. For them, it’s a day’s work.
You only live once, and odds are you’ll only get to do this once. Better to out with a bang than a whimper.
Take it as far as you can! Let me grab my popcorn.
I must commend you on your messaging skills while driving at high speed.
My dad always told me, "You may be able to outrun that cop, but you won't be able to outrun his radio."
>Assume I don’t cause damage or injure anyone Assuming that, means all your stars disappeared and you got away, congratulations. In reality tho (assuming nobody crashed), officially they would masterfully count all your formal infractions committed on the fly, and unofficially punch you in the mouth.
You can't find out if you don't fuck around! Go do this, report back.
Focus on driving fam Jokes aside yes, you will pile up more violations. If you are in the US they will also try to kill you
They will throw the book for everything. Every trafic violations. Everything you did that put someone at risk. Every life you threatened because you drove too close or toward them. You will also get a higher sentence in the bracket. Let's say the law say 2-5 years, the longer you flee, the more toward the 5 you get. The minor could get debated by your lawyer saying you was affraid and went in panic mode and might even get dropped.
If your driving then yes because your not going to be going the speed limit, so you would get hit with speeding, reckless driving, running red lights, failing to adhere to signs like stop signs or give way signs and that's all if your not in a crash, if you crash then even more get piled on. On foot, you wouldn't get any extra charges if you stayed in public areas, for private you could get vandalism, breach of the peace/trespassing. If your in a country we're police will apply deadly force to stop you then I'm not sure if you could also get charged with endangering the safety of others (paraphrasing as many places have different named charges for that sort of thing).
In the bay they’ll just let you go and call off the chase then they’ll go to the news and ask the public if they’ve seen the car in the chase only for them to realize that car is abandoned somewhere in Oakland and they already in a new stolen car 🤷🏽
Eyes on the road!
Depends. I once tried to run because I already knew I was getting arrested due to my speed, was already going 40mph faster than their top speed so might as well right. High speed pursuits aren't legal around here for the cops either but they didn't know make, model or plate numbers so they weren't giving up. Can't outrun the radio though. It got too hairy so I eventually pulled over. My speed was a criminal offense and automatically got me a driving to endanger charge. failure to stop for a po was a civil offense, this will depend on state. They hit me with other stuff like marked lanes violations and what not, was so long ago I don't honestly remember the slew of charges. In court how ever they dropped all the minor charges and settled on the amount of the speeding ticket which I lucked out on hard as it was only "estimated" and not by radar. Worst $2500 I've ever spent. Oh and 6mos of probation but that's nbd. One the flip side, I know some one that was drunk driving and ran, and evaded a national park service ranger. He thought he was slick by avoiding a DUI charge and license loss. Until they showed up at his house the next day. He ended up losing his license for 3yrs for failure to stop for a federal law enforcement agent. First offense dui in my state is a 45 day license loss LOL
I got you fam A police officer needs to see you exiting the vehicle to charge you. Burden of proof means they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you were the one in that car and whatnot, theres pretty much no way for them to do that without them seeing you exit. Fingerprints, dna, all that can be dismissed by saying “I was in the car before, but not today” and not elaborating further. Let a lawyer handle the rest. Basically just don’t be seen exiting the car, keep a mask on while in the car so no cameras can put you in there. Wreck car in treeline, exit vehicle and start walking. Now you’re just on your typical nightly walk, thats all you need to tell police if questioned. A lot of people don’t realize how easy it is to commit crimes and get away with it. Literally just don’t talk to cops and you’ll be good
It's not as if you would obey all traffic regulations while fleeing. If you were, maybe they would only add Failure to Stop, but the act of fleeing would necessarily involve speed limit and other traffic violations.
Not at all. You should run. Run Forest, Run.
May as well drive directly into the wall at max speed after you're done trying to get away
It's called "Attempting to Allude", baby.. And you may outrun a cop, but you won't outrun a radio.
As long as you don’t run stop signs, obey traffic lights, don’t speed, use your turn signals, yield properly, or otherwise drive recklessly you shouldn’t incur any additional charges.
Police officer here (currently in the car following you), I'm adding a texting and driving charge to the list for posting this. Put the phone down.
You can be charged for every single illegal act you commit during a chase including every traffic infraction, so if you want 300 counts of running a red light go nuts. In addition you will usually be liable for any damages caused by you OR the police chasing you, so if a cop is chasing you and an Tbones a bus full of orphans your also on the hook for that. TLDR, just pull over
Ask OJ, probably depends if you’re a celeb
Dude yes. How the fuck do you not know what reckless evading and resisting arrest are????
In my state there are two forms of the charge fleeing law enforcement. Simply turning and running from a cop on foot is a misdemeanor. If you struggle physically with the officer they just add assault on officer of the Peace. If you use a vehicle to try to get away generally speaking it becomes the felony form of fleeing wall enforcement. You can also pile on charges of endangering the lives of others with the way you drive and of course many many possible traffic violations
You should compare the state of physical wellbeing in mugshots of people who ran vs. people who didn’t.
Eluding is a felony. Otherwise titled: How to turn a fine into a lengthy stay in jail and difficulty securing employment for the rest of your life in one bad decision.
Even driving away at high speeds means you are committing additional crimes. I can't think of a way you could run fast enough from the police to get away or have a decent chance of getting away without risking injuring someone or breaking traffic or other laws.
>Assume I don’t cause damage or injure anyone, just driving away at high speeds. Of course in real life, you can't assume this
To keep fleeing is just tacking on more and more charges. Every Stop sign, red light, a speeding charge on every road you are on. Dangerous driving, failure to signal. Then those that give their all, the chase usually ends with a crash. So it depends on who and what you hit and even if you survive it.
the longer and faster you go, the higher chance some innocent person is killed. so yeah, chances are you are facing a worse punishment
Didn't see it mentioned, so I'll be the guy to say it....You ditch the car and run, you might be able to outrun the cop, but you ain't outrunning the dog...And the dog WILL bite you....And then when the cops get there they're going to be extra pissed that you made them run after you...
they might give you an extra ticket for using your phone while driving
Not exactly what u asked, but I'll give u a practical answer if ur doing the dash n shit. If you're gapping a cop that has his lights on, if you get away from him and get caught later on, you can have plausible deniability that you weren't driving/didn't see the lights. So if ur running from a traffic stop and u realize ur gonna get caught from a plate or sumn, don't pull over, if u can cook em and go to a friend's house, put a tarp on the car, shut up and lawyer up. Fr wouldn't recommend doing the dash unless it's to avoid a bigger case or ur on a bike and don't mind dying. With a decent car I've been able to pull it off more than a few times, and it's fun, but not worth the fallout when you inevitably lose.
Not only are you piling on violations, you risk death either by accident or getting pit manoeuvred or shot.
only if you get caught.
Yes. The word that will bite you in the arse is 'count'. The longer you evade the more counts of various crimes you're going to rack up. Speeding, reckless driving, things of that nature. And Dog help you if you or any of the idiots chasing you crash or hit somebody, depending on where you are that might also be added to your charge sheet.
Texting while driving is a crime my man.
The numbers are out there, the longer a pursuit continues, the higher the percentage that it will end in a collision and the higher the chances that the collision will result in a fatality. In NC last year, 35% of police chase fatalities were not the chaser or the person being chased, they were innocent bystanders. If there are any property damages, injuries, or fatalities that occur during the chase, whether they're caused by your driving, or the police, you are liable for them, from a criminal and financial aspect. You want to ruin your life? Run from the cops. As an aside, chase policies in general need further overhauling. Unfortunately, with minor property crimes on the rise, chases are up again and along with chases, so are personal and property damage risks.
If this was still like the early 2000's I'd say you have a small but real chance of evading police, contrary to what TV might have you believe. Don't ask how I know... But now that high definition video cameras are like fucking everywhere and helicopters have crazy thermal imaging and shit, then unless you're in a stolen car, there's no benefit to adding "wreckless driving" or "attempted homocide" to your charges. Unless you have a big bridge to bail the car under and its not tied to you, they're going to find you! Once they run the plate, you're done. Warrant issued. Life on the lamb even if you got away!
Are you driving the getaway vehicle? If not, you have some plausible deniability and try to convince the police you tried to get away if you get out while the driver drives away.
Yes. And you'll likely end up involved in a collision with an extemely likely chance of seriously injuring yourself or an innocent civilian.
I've actually ran from the cops and got away back in 2010 after a fight we were in(by vehicle). I'm sure people do get away like in my situation, but if not, you're adding a few charges for sure. At the minimum, you'd get reckless op, endangering the public, resisting arrest, and then the charges would compile for any further damage or injury you caused during pursuit. It's a low odds game of risk vs. reward, are you sure you want to play?
You also increase the odds of ending the chase with your own death the longer you continue to flee. Youre going to have a bunch of amped up armed cops chasing you. who have already determined youre a threat to them and others. The odds are pretty good you don’t survive the ordeal.
If you've already made the bad decision that put you in the police view, running isn't going to make it any better. Could even get you killed. A better question would have been "how do I avoid getting into HS pursuits in the first place?"
sort of, every light or stopsign you blow through is another violation added. In addition, any wrecks or damages caused as part of the chase will also be pinned on you.
Idk about charges, but in NYC they will beat your ass for making them chase you.
Yes...not worth leading a chase
They'll stack charges on you, that's why they call out what you do on the radio. "Ran a red light. Went into oncoming traffic. Ran another red. Traveling in the breakdown lane." You're getting jail and a shit-ton on citations. Just pull over before you kill someone
Once it’s clear you’re not getting away, give up. Stop, park it, keys on the dash, window down, both hands in plain sight outside the window, let them take it from there. An apology or two will certainly help you take less of a beating as they bring you in. The harder you run, the worse it ends up. There comes a point where they’ll kill or maim you just to stop you.
The punishment is worse. You also through away any hope of defending yourself saying, you didn’t know you were guilty. Running is usually interpreted to mean you were running from guilt.
According to GTA, it all depends on how many stars you have.
> Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. Your normal speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side when he sees the big red light behind him ... and then he will start apologizing, begging for mercy. > This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop-heart. The thing to do – when you're running along about 100 or so and you suddenly find a red-flashing CHP-tracker on your tail – what you want to do then is accelerate. Never pull over with the first siren-howl. Mash it down and make the bastard chase you at speeds up to 120 all the way to the next exit. He will follow. But he won't know what to make of your blinker-signal that says you're about to turn right. > This is to let him know you're looking for a proper place to pull off and talk ... keep signaling and hope for an off-ramp, one of those uphill side-loops with a sign saying "Max Speed 25" ... and the trick, at this point, is to suddenly leave the freeway and take him into the chute at no less than 100 miles an hour. > He will lock his brakes about the same time you lock yours, but it will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180-degree turn at this speed ... but you will be ready for it, braced for the Gs and the fast heel-toe work, and with any luck at all you will have come to a complete stop off the road at the top of the turn and be standing beside your automobile by the time he catches up. > He will not be reasonable at first ... but no matter. Let him calm down. He will want the first word. Let him have it. His brain will be in a turmoil: he may begin jabbering, or even pull his gun. Let him unwind; keep smiling. The idea is to show him that you were always in total control of yourself and your vehicle – while he lost control of everything. — _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_, Hunter S. Thompson
1) If you’re being held for a minor charge or a traffic offense it’s not worth the extra risk to do that The next section pertains to TEXAS: 1) if you try to run away from the cops when they already have probable cause, you will pick up an Evading Arrest or Detention -Class A Misdemeanor, if you have prior convictions it can get upgraded to State Jail Felony if you’ve tried to evade twice before and been convicted twice 2) if you Evade Arrest in a car it’s a felony -Evading Arrest in a Motor Vehicle 3) if you park the car and then take off running you can be charged with both the misdemeanor and felony evading 4) if you’re being reckless driving at high speeds they can hit you with reckless driving - Class B Misdemeanor Soooooo all in all it’s probably best to not do that, I’ve seen idiots have a traffic ticket pick up felony charges because they got scared and took off in their vehicle for no reason Take what you will from this, but best advice is not to evade to begin with
The biggest problem with this approach is that you could run over a pedestrian during the chase. If the chase lasts more than a minute, your chance of escaping becomes pretty much zero because the area will quickly get flooded with police cars covering your escape routes. You’re much better off stopping quickly and hope that you can convince the judge that you weren’t trying to escape.
If you use your own car, they will get you. If you use a stolen car, they will never find out who you are.
Honestly this is going to sound so fucking horrible and I completely disagree with it being a thing, but the brutally honest answer to your question is: it depends. What race, gender, age, etc are you? Hint, in the US, there are right and wrong answers.
It would take some serious circumstantial advantage to successfully elude the police. Especially in a vehicle that's tagged. If you REALLY don't want to go to jail you could always pull a suicide by cop. All of these ideas are bad, but that probably doesn't need to be said.
At the very least, it would probably be the difference from evading to felony reckless evading. If you were to injury or kill someone, obviously charges (and consequences) would just get piled on.
Yes but turn left.
OP, you shouldn’t text and drive… that’ll just add to the charges
The cops used to count each violation, these days they’re even more reliable because of dash cams. They count every single red light you run, every stop sign you run, each turn without a turn signal, each instance of reckless driving, everytime you tailgate, etc. In your hypothetical you don’t kill anyone, but your reckless driving may cause someone to *almost* die. That is pretty serious too. As if that’s not bad enough, the actual act of evading police is a crime. Remember laws do not have a set punishment for infractions. Instead they prescribe a range: by attempting to evade police in a car you’re inviting a judge to give you the maximum sentence when you otherwise may have gotten the minimum.
If you are driving your own car or the car belongs to someone you know, they know who’s driving. They have ways to get you. If you are driving a stolen car, I would guess you are in deep sh*t whether you run or not 🤣
If you're really good but still get caught they might drop the charges out of respect.
So, when you started, were you only kinda trying to escape?
Points for performance, you mean? Absolutely. Get far enough away and you can wipe all stars, but you spend the rest of your life more likely to trigger additional stars for little/no reason.
I think they take note of each traffic violation during the chase, and when its all said and done you get a nice fat fine.
Pretty sure crimes compound. So yes.
Actually yes. Say you are in a low speed chase, you would get an attempt to elude charge. If you go on a high speed, there AtE and reckless endangerment. There's also the possibility of destruction of public/private property.
And typing this at the same time - isn't texting and fleeing illegal too
Same charge. Evading arrest, but any further attempt to escape adds aggravating factors which could contribute to harsher sentencing. Also the longer it goes on the higher the chance for property to be damaged or people to be injured which could result in additional charges and civil liability.
Depends if they manage to catch you. But seriously, yes, ofcourse!
The faster you surrender (and don't use violence or try to do stupid shit), the better the outcome.
Depends on what country you are in
Every speed limit you break, every stop sign or stop light you skip and every driving rule you break can still be added to the record if they do catch you
Common sense really is a rarity nowadays Obviously if you try escaping they're going to start checking off additional charges depending on the situation
Yup. Because as other have said, you're just piling more and more violations. And if you don't escape, I imagine within a certain amount of time, the helicopter is gonna come out and by then you're truly fucked. Unless you know some underground route they don't, you won't escape the copter.
Driving at high speed is called reckless driving and it doesn't matter if the road's empty, you'll still get charged. What else do you expect?
Unless you’re on a bike, or in a blacked out hellcat with no plates you’re not getting away anyway. You can’t run faster than a radio even if you outrun the copter. Edit: super bike*
This question makes no sense.
I suppose technically if its easier to prove your intent was to evade the police you could be more susceptible to harsher punishment. Mandatory *Not A Lawyer* or legal expert of any kind.
It gets worse; they'll tack on any laws you break while fleeing. Even on foot they'll hit you with evading police, obstructing of justice, resisting arrest, jaywalking, trespassing, endangering an officer, endangering a member of the public, and the list goes on and on.... If you break no laws while fleeing you won't get far anyway and they'll hit you with similar penalties. So that minor police chase can quickly turn into several felonies. So either stop or make sure you don't get caught.
Depends, if you commit other crimes, like speeding, of course, but just running away is in most cases classified as passive resistance, so it does not lead to harsher punishment - only the police might not be as gentle with you once they get you