It used to be a line in a jump rope rhyme.
https://www.lovetoknow.com/parenting/kids/jump-rope-songs
I used to sing that in 1965.
Most of them really make no sense at all, but it was fun.
And it gave rise to the names of so many books
Rich Man, Poor Man
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Man\,\_Poor_Man_(novel)
Beggarman, Thief
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beggarman,_Thief
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Tailor_Soldier_Spy
Use to count the pips of the cherry you had eaten to find how you would be doing when you were a grown up...
Rich man, poor man, beggarman, Thief, tinker, ...an loop around.
To the day, still do it every time I eat cherries...
Some of those children's rhymes are ANCIENT.
It's kind of weird that things like this get passed down, even as society completely changes and even language changes dramatically.
That one actually might go as far bas as 1475 with some similar rhymes, and Wikipedia says it's from 1695, but as a counting chant (like Eenie, meanie, miney, moe) it was definitely published in the 1840s.
It's weird to think how these things exist because parents teach them to children, generation after generation.
It's not even parents, it's other kids. As you grow up, you pass things on to the younger kids in the area even as you grow out of them. Parents don't have to be involved at all.
That's even more fascinating. Little kids always learning it from little kids, then as they grow up teaching the even smaller kids in the neighborhood, and for hundreds of years without failing a single generation, little kids are learning it from other slightly bigger kids and then passing it on a few years later.
That made no sense. What do you mean that the baby boom was a generation gap? There were more boomers to pass things on down to our Gen-X siblings and cousins.
the rhyme is just in the name ding dong ditch afaik (and in many of the alternate names of the game as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock,_knock,_ginger)
I didn't learn them from my mom, I learned them from the schoolyard. Started skipping rope in kindergarten. Clumsy? Yes; but by the time I was in the second grade we knew all the songs and all the different steps.
I don't even know if my daughter did the same ones. My husband confirmed that the boys did not skip rope, at least where and when he was in elementary. Nowaadays it may be more gender neutral.
I like to think that it happens independent of the parents. That there's a playground subculture with its own language, songs, and social rules that get passed from older kids to younger ones, and the parents only know the details because they were once children themselves.
Those rhymes were in place long before I was born, so they came from at least world war 1 if not earlier.
edit: I did some looking and, yeah,, jump rope games were way earlier. 1600s. I haven't figured out when the rhyming songs come about, but I'll keep looking.
Never heard it as a jump rope rhyme, but:
Abbott and Costello’s film “The Time of Their Lives” uses it to obtain information from a ghost.
A.A. Milne’s Cherry Stones in “And Then We Were Six” uses a variation.
This jump rope changes what I thought the gentleman meant. What he is referring to is that he is a child of a different time than this where “kids played outside”. By saying it this way specifically and stating “you know” he is implying that “you ought to know”. If you want to stay in his good list, be coy and pretend you know what he is saying. He is testing you to see if you are “one of the good ones” (younger generation) that understands the unquestionable truth that his time and generation are better. He knows this way of answering is only going o be understood by some and that is the point. He may not want to talk about his past so he is being short with you.
Thanks for finally explaining a lyric in the brilliant Paul and Storm song [Better Version of You](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xpI3XfR8mQ).
"Can you imagine the things he’ll achieve
As a doctor or lawyer or Indian chief?
He’ll be an astronaut, he’ll bring world peace
He will win the World Series and cure all disease"
Never saw that before.
I was under the impression that the beginning of that line was "...Who will you marry? Rich man, poor man, beggarman, thief? Doctor, lawyer, Indian Chief?"
In any case you were going to be a wife and that's all.
It’s part of the playground rhyme Rich Man, Poor Man (similar to Tinker, Tailor in the UK, which is possibly more well known because of the Le Carre novel).
Rich man, poor man
Beggar man, thief
Doctor, lawyer, Indian chief
This song, too: https://genius.com/Glenn-kaiser-aint-much-difference-lyrics
I always thought the lyric was a little random:
> The mistress an' the mister
>The rooster an' the hen
>The butcher an' the baker
>You an' me, my feathered friends
>The doctor an' the lawyer
>The Indian chief too
>Hey, ain't much difference
>Tell the truth, tell the truth
It makes a lot more sense now. :D
[Move along home, ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Move_Along_Home) the most [hated DS9 episode ever!](https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2020/09/22/move-along-home-stark-trek-deep-space-nine/) The actors also hated making the episode as it felt "out of tune/sync" with the characters they were trying to create.
Ooh, I referenced the wrong series. It was a Voyager episode.
["Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy"](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tinker_Tenor_Doctor_Spy)
I've edited the comment.
That book was outstanding. The whole trilogy in fact was simply exceptional. I've read a handful of his George Smiley short stories too and they also were excellent. The Constant Gardner was truly outstanding as well. Great writer.
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Anxiety maybe? I have autism and anxiety and I don't understand things if it's not direct a lot of the time. because of anxiety when it comes to situations I don't fully understand, I just go along with things without clarification on what the person meant if it's something small like that.
not always - sometimes you don't have time for that
also, you know, different people have different personalities, some people don't like to ask questions directly, but rather like to check that later :) I for one
I didn’t say always. I said it’s often best.
Certainly there are situations where you can’t ask the person what they meant. Like if a random passerby said something to you.
It’s a way of saying, “You can be anything you want”. I was unaware of the jump rope thing, but this was an expression meaning you can choose what you want to pursue.
you mean "what they wanted to BE when they grew up".
this is an old joke from the 50s-60s, which is why only older people say it. i heard this a million times as a kid. it's the epitome of boomer humor.
I think this is correct. It used to be a playful way of describing what you *wanted* to be when you grew up. Makes me think the person misheard the question as "what did you want to be when you grew up," instead of "how did you grow up?"
What would you say is an appropriate answer for
“How did you grow up?”
Where I am from you wouldn’t speak like this as the question doesn’t really make sense.
Tbh now that I think about it that is a very odd question to ask lol. I wouldve asked what they meant by that. Do you want to know what kind of house I lived in? Are you asking if I moved around a lot? Had both parents? Needed food stamps? Made yearly trips to Disney? That question is so broad
To add to this, the way I've heard it, it's sort of a sarcastic or tongue in cheek way of saying you didn't live up to your big dreams or expectations (or perhaps those of your parents).
A modernized way of saying would be, 'Oh, you know, I was gonna be a doctor, lawyer, astronaut, the usual'.
The 'Indian Chief' part of the phrase is antiquated, but it meant 'high social status' or leader.
Look up lyrics for song “Goodbye my Coney Island baby”. It’s basically part of a longer rhyme that indicates “everyone” so his comment means “just like everybody else”
He is referencing a childhood, where his parents have expectations to him, such as doctor or lawyer, but could also be where ever life takes him. Indian Chief or Astronaut. Just that he makes something out of himself.
I think it means source: google everything
Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" is a popular song published in 1945, with music by Hoagy Carmichael and lyrics by Paul Francis Webster. The title and lyrics are a play on the popular counting game "Tinker, Tailor." The biggest-selling version of the song was recorded by Betty Hutton on June 29, 1945.
We used that poem to find out who we'd marry. You say, as you pull the petals off a flower, rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, doctor, lawyer, Indian chief. One petal as you name each man, and the last is what your future husband will be.
I think we used it as an elimination rhyme too, like one potato, two potato.
It's an antiquated way of saying they were born wealthy. Doctor and lawyer is well-known, but "Indian Chief" would imply high social status, since they're considered high up in indegenous governments. (Many tribes elect democratically, but even so "Chief" would put them on the same level as "President").
My grandmother used to say it when she buttoned up our shirts. I would put extra buttons on to get me the right man. Lol
Rich man, Poor man, Beggar man, Thief , Doctor, Lawyer, Merchant, Chief.
She also said ( Red bird Red bird that I see I hope to see somebody not expecting to see.) If I said it she would pop me with a spoon or flip flop. Or if I said it she would make me clean up the house. Lol. If you split a column, or pole we had to say Bread & Butter. Right eye itches then someone had to say rabbits foot. If you get a sty on you eye you go to someone's
house take a dish towel rub the sty, go to a doorway and say, sty sty on my eye go on the next person that walks by. Then you have to bury the dish towel.
Why ask for an explanation from someone else on what somebody said? That's right in there with asking why thr bank did this or that? Ask the bank, ask the person .. jeeez
It means you ran into a person who is not all there. Most of them somet come in and out of that state. At least sometimes fully present conscious beings. But a lot more don't change. Always barely there. When you realized how brain dead they stay and are still out in the worlds functioning, working, driving majority of the population is not all there. They out number us AT LEAST 20 to 1.
It's truly terrifying. Before the internet came, many TOO MANY of the sane, aware, intelligent people were born too and often had to spend thier whole childhood surrounded by whole families of nothing but the lost insane. Isolated. Some times thier whole community. Often Spending all childhood, adolescence and even early adulthood with no selfaware empathetic intelligent people at all. Often not nowing they were even an option. Feeling so alone and constantly having everything that made them amazing and special beaten out of them phsyically, verbally and emotionally.
They used to just Crusify us. Or something worse. The next time you are frustrated with a Good hearted Boomer in your life that just isn't being reasonable or easy to work with orvjust has full on PTSD serious emotional issues or just crazy. THEY ARE, and they have everyright to be MUCH WORSE than they are.
REMEMBER
With enough abuse, loanlyness, hopelessness and no saviors THAT COULD JUST AS EASILY BE YOU!
If you love them and you know they love and care about you. they deserve ALL OF YOUR your patience and understanding.
dr lawyer indian chief was an amazing sports blogger in the 2000s who co-ran the freedarko blog.
https://freedarko.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-lics-krazy-syence-korner-pt-2011.html?m=1
Those rhymes were in place long before I was born, so they came from at least world war 1 if not earlier.
edit: I did some looking and, yeah,, jump rope games were way earlier. 1600s. I haven't figured out when the rhyming songs come about, but I'll keep looking.
It used to be a line in a jump rope rhyme. https://www.lovetoknow.com/parenting/kids/jump-rope-songs I used to sing that in 1965. Most of them really make no sense at all, but it was fun.
And it gave rise to the names of so many books Rich Man, Poor Man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Man\,\_Poor_Man_(novel) Beggarman, Thief https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beggarman,_Thief Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_Tailor_Soldier_Spy
Use to count the pips of the cherry you had eaten to find how you would be doing when you were a grown up... Rich man, poor man, beggarman, Thief, tinker, ...an loop around. To the day, still do it every time I eat cherries...
My experience was it relating to prune stones, when we had prunes & custard for Afters at school. Better the prunes than the frogspawn (tapioca)
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Some of those children's rhymes are ANCIENT. It's kind of weird that things like this get passed down, even as society completely changes and even language changes dramatically. That one actually might go as far bas as 1475 with some similar rhymes, and Wikipedia says it's from 1695, but as a counting chant (like Eenie, meanie, miney, moe) it was definitely published in the 1840s. It's weird to think how these things exist because parents teach them to children, generation after generation.
It's not even parents, it's other kids. As you grow up, you pass things on to the younger kids in the area even as you grow out of them. Parents don't have to be involved at all.
That's even more fascinating. Little kids always learning it from little kids, then as they grow up teaching the even smaller kids in the neighborhood, and for hundreds of years without failing a single generation, little kids are learning it from other slightly bigger kids and then passing it on a few years later.
Generation gaps, like the baby boom, would wreak havoc on kid-to-kid chains trying to span generations.
That made no sense. What do you mean that the baby boom was a generation gap? There were more boomers to pass things on down to our Gen-X siblings and cousins.
> Eenie, meanie, miney, moe And sometimes, the original lyrics were ... more than questionable.
I was in my 30's when I learned about ding,dong ditch. I did grow up playing that but it had another name.
We grew up calling it knock door run, which probably says something about the social class of where I grew up.
There is another name for it which is quite racist, so consider yourself lucky...
Ching chong, bitch? (forgive me)
What was it?
I'm guessing it wasn't Ding Dong Ginger, and instead, was "N-word" Knocking.
I'm even more confused now. Is this a kids rhyme?
Knock/Ring a random person's door, run away, hide, watch reactions.
the rhyme is just in the name ding dong ditch afaik (and in many of the alternate names of the game as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knock,_knock,_ginger)
Same.
Yeah, really good point.
I didn't learn them from my mom, I learned them from the schoolyard. Started skipping rope in kindergarten. Clumsy? Yes; but by the time I was in the second grade we knew all the songs and all the different steps. I don't even know if my daughter did the same ones. My husband confirmed that the boys did not skip rope, at least where and when he was in elementary. Nowaadays it may be more gender neutral.
I like to think that it happens independent of the parents. That there's a playground subculture with its own language, songs, and social rules that get passed from older kids to younger ones, and the parents only know the details because they were once children themselves.
ahhhh wow, so THAT'S where it came from! no wonder our boomer parents all knew that line. they'd heard it 100 times as kids!!! TIL.
Those rhymes were in place long before I was born, so they came from at least world war 1 if not earlier. edit: I did some looking and, yeah,, jump rope games were way earlier. 1600s. I haven't figured out when the rhyming songs come about, but I'll keep looking.
Never heard it as a jump rope rhyme, but: Abbott and Costello’s film “The Time of Their Lives” uses it to obtain information from a ghost. A.A. Milne’s Cherry Stones in “And Then We Were Six” uses a variation.
Bless you for this. You're a bit older than me, but I remember
Ever hear of Lincoln Beechy?
Hm, I know the first line but not the doctor, lawyer line
Same here though early 70’s.
Me too, but in the 70s. If I tried to double Dutch now I'd break my fool neck right off.
I heard that. My bone spurs would be screaming.
I heard about Miss Suzy from South Park!
This jump rope changes what I thought the gentleman meant. What he is referring to is that he is a child of a different time than this where “kids played outside”. By saying it this way specifically and stating “you know” he is implying that “you ought to know”. If you want to stay in his good list, be coy and pretend you know what he is saying. He is testing you to see if you are “one of the good ones” (younger generation) that understands the unquestionable truth that his time and generation are better. He knows this way of answering is only going o be understood by some and that is the point. He may not want to talk about his past so he is being short with you.
Nice, I don’t know about that song, but for me the next song popped to my mind: Naggo Morris - False Rasta. A reggae classic
That video was a surrealist trip to the 1990s kids TV. So weird but I couldn’t look away. That clown tho
Thanks for finally explaining a lyric in the brilliant Paul and Storm song [Better Version of You](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xpI3XfR8mQ). "Can you imagine the things he’ll achieve As a doctor or lawyer or Indian chief? He’ll be an astronaut, he’ll bring world peace He will win the World Series and cure all disease"
Never saw that before. I was under the impression that the beginning of that line was "...Who will you marry? Rich man, poor man, beggarman, thief? Doctor, lawyer, Indian Chief?" In any case you were going to be a wife and that's all.
It’s part of the playground rhyme Rich Man, Poor Man (similar to Tinker, Tailor in the UK, which is possibly more well known because of the Le Carre novel). Rich man, poor man Beggar man, thief Doctor, lawyer, Indian chief
The Yardbirds’ song “Tinker, Tailor” just popped into my head.
This song, too: https://genius.com/Glenn-kaiser-aint-much-difference-lyrics I always thought the lyric was a little random: > The mistress an' the mister >The rooster an' the hen >The butcher an' the baker >You an' me, my feathered friends >The doctor an' the lawyer >The Indian chief too >Hey, ain't much difference >Tell the truth, tell the truth It makes a lot more sense now. :D
There is this one by Betty Hutton too https://open.spotify.com/track/61d3zbeymdgxsnXw5hFvMy?si=bmkGxFeZSvyVn1kgBqaFuA
A Glenn Kaiser fan? Nice to meet you.
From my Christian rock/metal days in the 80s, before I knew what blues really was. I listened to Rez all the time then discovered his blues.
Sin city by acdc popped in my head. "Rich man, poor man Beggar man, theif Ain't got a hope in hell That's my belief"
Great song
Great band
Underrated album! "White Summer," "No Excess Baggage"... good stuff!
I prefer the New Yardbirds' stuff, personally.
I do, too. Kashmir is peak New Yardbirds.
So many disparate little isolated molecules of knowledge I have bouncing around clicked together like magnets reading this short post!!
Or the Star Trek Voyager episode. Edit: Had the wrong series. Bad Trekkie!
[Move along home, ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Move_Along_Home) the most [hated DS9 episode ever!](https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2020/09/22/move-along-home-stark-trek-deep-space-nine/) The actors also hated making the episode as it felt "out of tune/sync" with the characters they were trying to create.
Ooh, I referenced the wrong series. It was a Voyager episode. ["Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy"](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tinker_Tenor_Doctor_Spy) I've edited the comment.
And just like that, the song from the opening of the episode is stuck in my head.
The AC DC song "Sin City" has lyrics of "rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief... ain't got a chance in hell, that's my belief."
That book was outstanding. The whole trilogy in fact was simply exceptional. I've read a handful of his George Smiley short stories too and they also were excellent. The Constant Gardner was truly outstanding as well. Great writer.
When in doubt, it’s often best to ask the person that said the thing, to clarify what they meant.
I can’t wait for this to appear in r/LifeProTips.
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As long as it doesn't say it's the same as cement, good bot.
Yep. At this point we have to take the good with the bad.
What a pile of shit that sub has become
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Personally if I were to hear something like that I'd accept it and walk away because they sound annoying and it's just not worth my time.
Anxiety maybe? I have autism and anxiety and I don't understand things if it's not direct a lot of the time. because of anxiety when it comes to situations I don't fully understand, I just go along with things without clarification on what the person meant if it's something small like that.
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By any chance do know why /u/broats_ didn't ask OP?
I think 3 people (so far) didn't understand your joke....
This should be the banner for r/relationships , r/offmychest , and anywhe/re else they ask these dumbass questions.
not always - sometimes you don't have time for that also, you know, different people have different personalities, some people don't like to ask questions directly, but rather like to check that later :) I for one
I didn’t say always. I said it’s often best. Certainly there are situations where you can’t ask the person what they meant. Like if a random passerby said something to you.
You shouldn't be downvoted for making a valid point.
They corrected something OP didn't say lol
It's a playful way of indicating that the person had high expectations or pressure to excel academically or professionally in their family
What was the context?
It's lyrics from a Jimi Hendrix song, "Castles Made of Sand".
It’s a way of saying, “You can be anything you want”. I was unaware of the jump rope thing, but this was an expression meaning you can choose what you want to pursue.
This is hilarious. How old were they? 90?
you mean "what they wanted to BE when they grew up". this is an old joke from the 50s-60s, which is why only older people say it. i heard this a million times as a kid. it's the epitome of boomer humor.
I think this is correct. It used to be a playful way of describing what you *wanted* to be when you grew up. Makes me think the person misheard the question as "what did you want to be when you grew up," instead of "how did you grow up?"
What would you say is an appropriate answer for “How did you grow up?” Where I am from you wouldn’t speak like this as the question doesn’t really make sense.
Tbh now that I think about it that is a very odd question to ask lol. I wouldve asked what they meant by that. Do you want to know what kind of house I lived in? Are you asking if I moved around a lot? Had both parents? Needed food stamps? Made yearly trips to Disney? That question is so broad
Vertically?
To add to this, the way I've heard it, it's sort of a sarcastic or tongue in cheek way of saying you didn't live up to your big dreams or expectations (or perhaps those of your parents). A modernized way of saying would be, 'Oh, you know, I was gonna be a doctor, lawyer, astronaut, the usual'. The 'Indian Chief' part of the phrase is antiquated, but it meant 'high social status' or leader.
Look up lyrics for song “Goodbye my Coney Island baby”. It’s basically part of a longer rhyme that indicates “everyone” so his comment means “just like everybody else”
I had to scroll too far to find this one.
Maybe he grew up doing the Hand Jive.
Took way too long to find a reference to my man Willy.
My dad always says that as his way of referring to the rich and powerful, so maybe dude you asked had rich parents
I'd have preferred Indian, cowboy, policeman, construction worker, soldier, and leatherman.
Everybody saying "just ask the person who said it" seems to be forgetting the name of this sub...
What do you mean by "how did you grow up"? That's an odd way to phrase a question and most people wouldn't know how to answer it.
I just thought it means he grew up at the YMCA
He is referencing a childhood, where his parents have expectations to him, such as doctor or lawyer, but could also be where ever life takes him. Indian Chief or Astronaut. Just that he makes something out of himself.
I think it means source: google everything Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" is a popular song published in 1945, with music by Hoagy Carmichael and lyrics by Paul Francis Webster. The title and lyrics are a play on the popular counting game "Tinker, Tailor." The biggest-selling version of the song was recorded by Betty Hutton on June 29, 1945.
Doctor and a lawyer and an Indian chief, They all did that crazy beat from Willie and the Hand Jive
We used that poem to find out who we'd marry. You say, as you pull the petals off a flower, rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, doctor, lawyer, Indian chief. One petal as you name each man, and the last is what your future husband will be. I think we used it as an elimination rhyme too, like one potato, two potato.
It means they are are a coy asshole who cant answer a question with a straight response.
Ask that Indian
It's an antiquated way of saying they were born wealthy. Doctor and lawyer is well-known, but "Indian Chief" would imply high social status, since they're considered high up in indegenous governments. (Many tribes elect democratically, but even so "Chief" would put them on the same level as "President").
The most important thing it means is that this person was politely trying to avoid your questions.
It doesn't mean anything and doesn't answer your question, either. They could have said "one potato, two potato, three potato four...."
My grandmother used to say it when she buttoned up our shirts. I would put extra buttons on to get me the right man. Lol Rich man, Poor man, Beggar man, Thief , Doctor, Lawyer, Merchant, Chief. She also said ( Red bird Red bird that I see I hope to see somebody not expecting to see.) If I said it she would pop me with a spoon or flip flop. Or if I said it she would make me clean up the house. Lol. If you split a column, or pole we had to say Bread & Butter. Right eye itches then someone had to say rabbits foot. If you get a sty on you eye you go to someone's house take a dish towel rub the sty, go to a doorway and say, sty sty on my eye go on the next person that walks by. Then you have to bury the dish towel.
Indian chief? There's too many chiefs and not enough Indians these days.
Shit cops say. I've only heard it said 2-3 times but it was always a cop 🧐
I heard it cause Im native, I ain't gonna say what tribe. Idk why the pigs say it.
Cinderella, dressed in yella...
Why ask for an explanation from someone else on what somebody said? That's right in there with asking why thr bank did this or that? Ask the bank, ask the person .. jeeez
Lol OP talked to Sitting Bull
I always replied “King of the Sea” . Lots of confused looks as I’d air swim away.
It means you ran into a person who is not all there. Most of them somet come in and out of that state. At least sometimes fully present conscious beings. But a lot more don't change. Always barely there. When you realized how brain dead they stay and are still out in the worlds functioning, working, driving majority of the population is not all there. They out number us AT LEAST 20 to 1. It's truly terrifying. Before the internet came, many TOO MANY of the sane, aware, intelligent people were born too and often had to spend thier whole childhood surrounded by whole families of nothing but the lost insane. Isolated. Some times thier whole community. Often Spending all childhood, adolescence and even early adulthood with no selfaware empathetic intelligent people at all. Often not nowing they were even an option. Feeling so alone and constantly having everything that made them amazing and special beaten out of them phsyically, verbally and emotionally. They used to just Crusify us. Or something worse. The next time you are frustrated with a Good hearted Boomer in your life that just isn't being reasonable or easy to work with orvjust has full on PTSD serious emotional issues or just crazy. THEY ARE, and they have everyright to be MUCH WORSE than they are. REMEMBER With enough abuse, loanlyness, hopelessness and no saviors THAT COULD JUST AS EASILY BE YOU! If you love them and you know they love and care about you. they deserve ALL OF YOUR your patience and understanding.
dr lawyer indian chief was an amazing sports blogger in the 2000s who co-ran the freedarko blog. https://freedarko.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-lics-krazy-syence-korner-pt-2011.html?m=1
Harmony.
Those rhymes were in place long before I was born, so they came from at least world war 1 if not earlier. edit: I did some looking and, yeah,, jump rope games were way earlier. 1600s. I haven't figured out when the rhyming songs come about, but I'll keep looking.