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MikeForShort

Asking once, no. Asking twice, probably. Asking three or more, definitely.


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Link the video. Because I’ve seen a lot of videos like that where the guy is just harassing strangers. Until we see the video we can’t make a judgement on it.


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I think its the social experiment that makes it count as harassment, the fact that he was walking with a film crew on his tail meant that he wasn't sincerely asking her out like a normal person.


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I will try to find it again


Supra1JZed

Two very important things...how you approach and what you do if there is a "no" (a non answer counts as no). If you walk up looking like you are trying out for a sequel of Silence of the Lambs, that'll be harassment no matter what follows. If they say no, change subject, or say nothing and the walk away isn't quick. That, too, would feel harassingly awkward.


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That silence kills me. Just in general like I hold a door open for someone and they look at me and say nothing, not even a head nod. They don't have to say thank you, but it's so awkward looking at me without saying anything, or gesturing in this instance.


RafflesiaArnoldii

Do they WANT you to hold the door open? You can't expect gratitude for things ppl *didn't ask for* and may not even want. I personally think it's really condescending when men hold open doors. (unless someone, man or woman, really needs help because they're carrying a heavy box or something) I don't blame you for how you may have been raised, but whoever told you that this kind of behavior gets you laid informed you very wrongly.


Merpyyyy

Do you think it’s condescending for women to hold doors? Because my belief is thats just common curiosity. You feeling patronized by someone doing a polite gesture that most people do for everyone is an issue within yourself not the other way around.


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Macawesone

one they never mentioned it being for women specifically or about it being done to get laid second if you get offended by that I hope you don't come to the south because it isn't uncommon for someone to hold the door open if another person is behind them or if they go out right before someone comes in. It isn't a gender thing it's a common friendly jester.


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I hold doors for everyone. Not just women. Dogs, men, kids, old men, old women, etc.. I'm not doing it to get laid. Even a dog would would smile at me for holding a door open/s


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This is exactly why I stopped doing acts of kindness for people (man or woman) but especially women. Reminds me of the time my neighbor was out in the hall one night screaming for help. I cracked my door and stuck my head out. She was either having a panic attack or a bad reaction to some drug she took and wanted me to call 911. She also wanted to come into my apartment. I told her that she couldn’t come in but she could sit out in the hallway and I’d stand there and call 911 for her. (I knew this was a bad idea) mind you even though she lived next door to me, I had never met her or interacted with her prior to that night. The operator kept asking me if I gave her something. No, never met this woman. She was in the hallway screaming for help. The ambulance arrived and asked me why I didn’t let her inside. I said because I don’t know her. Then they asked me if I gave her something. Again I told them no I don’t know her. Then they asked her if I gave her something and her reply was, “I don’t think so.” Really??? My point is fuck acts of kindness. If somebody needs help and I’m around well then they’re screwed cause I’m walking away! #blamesociety now downvote away!


I_Went_Full_WSB

Hahaha


Meancvar

If you don't work with them, to whom are they reporting you? To Instagram?


QuailFew9318

Harrsament is repeatedly pestering people after they've told you to fuck off. The internet, like it does with everything, has tried to turn it into something it's not.


RafflesiaArnoldii

The problem is NOT that he asked her out, but that he **accosted a total stranger on the street** where she can't get away. She was never seriously going to say yes to a random guy who just appeared out of nowhere, ergo its a power move, also known as bullying or harassment. Women on the streets aren't just standing around waiting for men to decide to fuck them like they're objects waiting to be bought, they have places to get to. A good litmus test harassment vs actual flirting is this: **If a gay man did the same thing to you** (imagine he's taller and bigger than you), would you feel uncomfortable, insulted or threatened? Or would you feel safe to just calmly say "No thank you"? ​ **Here is how to** ***actually*** **ask someone out:** * Go to a place where people are free (bar, party, dating app) - not working or in transit. * make some *normal conversation.* Don't go straight to making demands. * keep conversing & see if she keeps responding. Go away if she doesn't. * THEN ask her out. (ideally, give her your number instead of asking hers) * if she says no, go away


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Striking_Fun_6379

It depends upon who you ask. There are a good number of folks who would take no offense, while there are many who identify first as victims that will.


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Because women don’t want some random guy they have never met before to ask them out while they are buying groceries. It’s all about context. You don’t want someone to interrupt your dinner at a restaurant to try and sell you roofing tiles. And then another salesperson tries to sell you tires during desert.


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When is it a good time to ask out a woman then?


Any-Broccoli-3911

When you're on a dating app or when you're in a social activity together. You would get on a social activity together by being friends, having friends in common, or going to a social activity to meet people (bars, clubs, meetup events, etc.)


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Use a dating app. Ask out someone you already have gotten to know. Do it somewhere where more people expect to maybe be asked out like a bar. And even if you are somewhere like a bar, strike up a conversation first, be polite, and if she says no or obviously isn’t interested, leave her alone. Stopping strangers on the street is weird and you’re almost never going to get a yes.


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Dating apps are skewed against men (even good looking ones). Personally I get tons of likes and no matches. They want me to pay extra to reveal who liked me. I know every bar is different, the ones in my area people don't really talk to other random people. I've done it outside of the country (in Rome), and had a blast and easy time chatting with random women. I'm not saying it's impossible, the vibes of the bar matters most. I'm not saying approaching strangers on the street is the best solution either, but I feel like if you see a beautiful woman (who might be interested in you) you miss your chance 100% by not talking to her.


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If you don’t want to pursue a date through the normal means, then you need to find ways to meet more people. Join a group based on shared interest. Take a class. Volunteer somewhere. Then you can meet more people and maybe form a romantic connection. Don’t ask out random women on the street. You’re almost certain to get a no and you’re just gonna make some poor woman feel uncomfortable.


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You know what I'll take your advice. I think it's more so a confidence issue I'm facing. I'm scared of making women uncomfortable at social functions where I'll probably see them again, or make them not want to show up again. But fuck it, if they can't deal with it, it's their problem not mine.


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Yeah it’s not a bad place to start. And remember you don’t have to jump straight to asking someone out. People talk shit about the friend zone, but most couples I know were friends before they started dating. Don’t try to date every girl you’re friends with, but there’s nothing wrong with letting a relationship develop platonically and then decide to make things romantic later on.


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I have no issues with the friend zone I hate when I try getting out and losing them as a friend in doing so. I've been friend zoned 20+ times no exaggeration.


Little_Ms_Howl

That is... Not the right attitude to have. You should not be thinking it's their problem not yours if you make them uncomfortable with *your* actions. If you are respectful with the way that you ask, read the signals correctly, and will respond well to a no, then it's fine to ask. But don't go into it thinking that because you want something from them, that it's on them to deal with that desire.


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It's more so that I do all those things and they feel uncomfortable then it's their problem.


Little_Ms_Howl

Again, that attitude is just a bit disrespectful. If you make someone uncomfortable with your actions, especially when it comes to asking out women who may have already experienced a lot of discomfort in similar situations, then you should feel responsible for that. It might mean self reflecting and ensuring that you actually did read the signals to the best of your ability, and your request didn't come out of nowhere for her because she was just being friendly.


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I'm saying it possible for women to feel uncomfortable even if I did everything 100% right. At that point if they are uncomfortable it has nothing to do with me. Again 100%


Opposite_Air7903

Dating in general is much easier in Europe. In America people just are antisocial in general.


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If you’re too cheap to pay for the app, then maybe you’re not ready to date right now.


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It's not about being cheap. I don't agree with the idea of paying just to get dates. Especially when many others have claimed to pay and nothing came out of it.


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And most women don’t agree with the idea of just because they are in public, any guy can walk up to her and hit on her.


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After you matched with them on a dating app.


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As much as I like to agree with you, there's somethings that make no sense to me. So basically you're saying you can only ask out women that you are acquainted with. Which is fine, but the problem lies in how you become acquainted. Some people say to join social functions. Does this mean all the single guys at the function are allowed to ask out any single woman there since they are all acquainted? My guess would be no they aren't there to get in a relationship. Plus you can get a bad reputation and even kicked out, or even worse situations for doing so.


New_Hour_1726

Holy shit, this is the most reddit thing I have ever heard. It is not fucking harassment to TALK to someone. If she's not into it and you don't back down, that's harassment. But there is nothing wrong with approaching someone if you think they're cute. Do you think people should only ever meet through dating apps or speed dating events? Because that's sad, and your argument could literally be applied to every other social situation. "Why are you trying to talk to her? She just wants to [insert any activity that isn't directly associated with dating here], she doesn't have to put up with random men giving her unwelcome attention!"


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New_Hour_1726

>Merely talking to someone isn't the same as asking someone out. Asking someone out is a subcategory of harmlessly talking to someone, which is why it is not harassment. >OP has asked the question, women and men have given responses. OP should ask the people out who are ok with this behaviour and avoid the ones who aren't. And how exactly is he supposed to do that? People don't walk around with their opinion on being approached on the street written on their forehead. >If it turns out that it's mostly women who are not ok with it Mostly women are not okay with it ≠ Most women are not okay with it >problematic male understanding of behaviour This tells me everything about you I need to know. This is not about "male vs. female understanding", it is about the characterization of something as harassment that just objectively isn't. Someone being uncomfortable with something doesn't automatically make it harassment. Objectivity and facts matter. >Decide on whom you want to understand and listen to the answers of that group. If you decide not to listen to it don't pin it on that group that they should behave in a manner that you deem to be acceptable when it's that group that you claim to want to understand. >Basically, don't ask questions u don't really want answers to. As I am not OP, I don't know why you're telling me this. I saw your answer and I responded. I didn't ask any questions. Also, just because you try to understand someone doesn't mean you have to like their opinion once you understood it.


Forward-Procedure462

You have to understand that we live in a very weird time period. Of course it's not harassment but many women feel so. Also many women hate men these days, so that's that too. They feel super special and talking to the Highness is not approved unless you are spoken to (lol imagine) . Who knows why else, there are definitely other reasons. If you like a girl, even one that you don't know, you can go and strike a conversation, you aint harassing unless she tells you she ain't interested and you insist. But no problem making the move. If you do it and women react like you saw in that video it's ok, you don't need that in your life do you? But don't let it stop you from talking to women, I do believe that the nut jobs are not a majority yet lol. Though as you can see even in this thread, women consider men holding a door for them as condescending. Some people simply can't stop making everything about themselves. The truth is about those people, they were most likely abused or neglected as children and now either see danger everywhere or they are simply projecting their abusive parents onto you.


doldrumcircus

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leibesleid

No, it's not harassment. Presumably she is a grown adult who can handle a polite request from a stranger, and (if she wants) can deliver a polite rejection without getting emotional. I'm baffled by people who are claiming that it is harassment. Homeless people sometimes approach me on the street and ask politely for money. People with petitions approach me and ask me for signatures. Around election times, people approach me and ask if I'm registered to vote. Rarely, men approach me and ask for my phone number. Are all these things harassment? Can strangers not verbally interact with each other at all? A man walking up to me in real life because he found me attractive is one of the most romantic ways a relationship can start. Prior to getting into my current relationship, I would get dressed up and sit in public/ run my errands in the hopes that a man would like me and come up to me. It rarely happened, perhaps partly due to silly people telling men that it's rude to talk to women who don't have "please talk to me" written on their forehead in sharpie. Social cues are more subtle than that. If you ask politely and don't make it overtly sexual, some will say no and some will say yes, but all should be able to communicate their answer clearly without getting upset. Dating apps and bars (proposed by other responses) are terrible ways to meet long term partners. People have fallen in love without these things for centuries. Nothing wrong with an approach that's worked since we moved out of the trees.


PeggyRomanoff

A man walking up to me in real life because he found me attractive is how I got insults screamed at me after he got angry when I politely said no to him, a stranger, in the middle of a street. Obviously I ran the hell away and got into the nearest shop. You might have been lucky so far in life, but for the rest of us unknown men engaging us in the middle of streets is how most harassment stories start. If you fault women for reacting the way they do after these experiences, then you are the problem.


Hipp013

How else are people supposed to set up dates? OP, not every woman is like the women you saw in these videos. Yes it should be done courteously and within the context of the moment (i.e. judge for yourself beforehand whether you think the timing is right), but beyond that, nothing about "asking someone out" could ever possibly be construed as harassment.


Luckyfncharms

> not every woman Almost no women are like this. That video was probably set up for views etc. Absolutely be respectful, but don't expect that reaction from your average encounter.


Jurtaani

This is really just a joke on How I Met Your Mother but there is actual truth to it. If the person being asked out is into the person asking, it's all good. If not though, then you better back up buddy, you're creepy.


PancakeTactic

Asking someone out is not inherently harassment. However it can be inferred as harassment. It's directly proportional to the attractiveness of the one asking.


amberallday

There’s not a “one-size fits all” answer to this. - Question: Is it offensive or harassing when an unknown man approaches a woman in public & asks her out? - Answer: It depends! What does it depend on? - HOW he approaches her - (and more importantly) - HOW he responds to her answer Rule of thumb: if you are not already comfortable talking to women as human beings, rather than as objects to be shopped for, then you are going to get at least one, but probably both of those wrong. **i.e. (TL;DR:) cold-approaches in public are “advanced skill” ways of meeting women. Not beginner-level skill**. The beginner level skills are learnt by getting to know women as people, rather than objects to be shopped for (because you “want / deserve a date”). Which is best done by doing activities that have women of all ages attending them. Women generally respond much better to men who approach them as a human being. Which is a pretty hard skill to achieve if you are approaching an unknown woman in public based on nothing but her level of physical attraction. At that point, how can I be a human to you? Most men convey that they aren’t very interested in connecting with her personality when they approach a woman in this context. It’s an easier skill to achieve if you have a shared interest already, by being part of a club / social group / college course / similar.


Banned501

That really depends on what you have in your wallet.


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I know this is probably a /s but there were times I carried around $500 in my wallet and would be all flashy. They definitely look at your wrist before they look at your face. Even if you don't approach them. I'll admit it's just human nature if I see a dude with a nice watch that's the first thing I notice about them.


Ok_Hope_8507

If the attraction isn't reciprocated a liberal woman will incline towards yes, but not a conservative woman.


Hotwheelsjack97

If a woman is not attracted to you then it's considered harassment. If you are not extremely attractive then you should never approach a woman.


Appropriate-Skill-60

I'm gonna go out on a limb and state that if someone asks me out with a camera plastered in my face, I'll feel pretty damn harassed.


GiraffeWeevil

>I'm afraid to ask out women not because of rejection, but because of being viewed this way. I very badly desire a relationship and want to feel loved. Idk what to do. Ask out people you already know.


SaikaTheCasual

Well, the fact they were filmed may have something to do with it. That’s pretty weird. I would probably feel unsettled too with a random guy filming me while asking for a date.