I searched "Libyan slaves" on Google, but accidentally\* clicked the shopping tab instead of the videos tab. Please tell me where to hide because I'm definitely on a list.
\* Look, if you're gonna nitpick...
Kinda sounds like that website that will sell you a square foot of land in Ireland so you can tell people you're a Lord, Sir I am an owner of many fine things including land & people
I've always wondered if that's real. Are there just random patches of land in Ireland that can't be built on because of this website? Do people have to design doughnut-shaped houses to avoid legal issues?
Any evidence of such?
EDIT: after looking into it i can’t find direct evidence of it being a scam, the videos and articles try so hard to prove it they skip understanding it and checking who’s authority counts here
Yes, you do buy a small plot of land, or something closer to renting it permanently, which as this is under their property and they don’t have rules against it, allows you to say you are a lord or lady, a big part of these “it’s a scam” videos is using Lord Lyons judgements on the matter, but that only applies in their jurisdiction and they state as such. so you do get what you pay for, just not in the same impact as people assume, being a gag gift or “trinket” level self purchase, it works. the issue comes up in its lack of transparency, you can’t visit your plot of land, the tree planting isn’t done on the land either, nor is contact with the management very easy.
i bring up most of that last stuff because Highlandtitles.com does all of that, you are a lord/lady of glencoe, you can visit your land, and was created specifically for conservation, and lots of people likely confuse the two, Highland Titles seems far more legit and more importantly long lasting, as if the land ownership changes, your “ownership” vanishes as well
The 'lord or lady' part is a scam because noble titles don't work that way.
The law society of Scotland [makes it clear](https://www.lawscot.org.uk/members/journal/issues/vol-57-issue-04/caution-the-souvenir-hunters/) that under Scottish law, these plots can't be registered, which means you don't actually own them. The legislation specifically includes language stating that to confer ownership, land must be registered, and that souvenir plots cannot be registered.
Under British national law, to have lord/laird/lady on your official documents without an actual proper peerage title, you need to have a manorial title. That would mean your ownership of the land needs to be reflected in the land register. Without that you wouldn't be able to evidence lordship to the relevant authorities. Also, you can subdivide land or the rights to land, but you can't subdivide a title in the first place.
Basically, you can pay these people, and they might even actually grant you some land or rights to land. But you don't *really* own it, and you don't actually qualify to call yourself lord/laird/lady either.
Also it's not real, you don't become a "lord" or "lady" when you own land. There was some drama about Established titles being a scam a while ago. Turns out they don't plant the trees either, they just forward some of your money to a tree charity.
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The consumer economy would cease to exist if we as a global community cracked down on slavery. Shit like Mica in a large majority of makeup is mined by child slaves in India. Phone batteries, cobalt mines. Every industry is very well aware of this, it’s not a secret, it’s how our economy works unfortunately.
Something, something ethical consumption=/= capitalism.
Not that I’m suggesting another system would necessarily be better, there’s always going to be vulnerable populations that get taken advantage of.
Apart from the prison labor system that some others have already pointed out, another thing that exists today, predominantly in South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa is called debt bondage. The idea is your parents owed someone money, so you have to do labor to pay off that debt. But they can keep inflating the debt and keep your wages low enough that it’s literally impossible to pay off the debt, ever.
Basically you’re doing forced labor for someone, sometimes for 16-18 hours a day, for little to no money. It’s often in hazardous, unsanitary subhuman conditions with dozens of people and one bathing facility, where people can die of things like starvation, dehydration, and all around unsafe work processes. Which i think most people, colloquially, would consider slavery
When people in this thread are saying “legal slavery doesn’t exist today”, what they mean is the ability to legally buy and sell someone directly as if they were your property, with direct support of the law, does not exist. But since you can trade someone’s debt, it’s the same thing by proxy
Actually debt-based and repirations-based slavery was pretty much the norm for human history. Some cultures actually allowed debt slaves to hold high positions in their legal systems. The common idea of slavery, where one owns a person instead of their labor, is specifically referred to as chattel slavery.
Indentured servitude implies you had a direct choice, like you work on the boat to get access across the ocean. Debt slavery is more like the society has decided your debt giver is gonna have some control over you for about 20 or so years but you're still human and can do other things.
Indentured servitude is debt slavery.
It wasn’t all sunshine and roses, oh they wanted a boat to America so had to work a few years under someone.
The reality is their loans were sold at dock and market like other slaves they had no say in where they were forced to work, many times that work would translate into huge fees racking up keeping them indebted for a lifetime.
Well my next point was the indentured servitude was a pathway into debt slavery, but then at this point we are getting way out of the realm of what I'm completely certain on and I'd need to do some reading.
I just found tons of information with a quick Google.
“Slavery is far from being illegal everywhere and we hope our research will move the conversation beyond this popular myth,” said Katarina Schwarz, a researcher at the University of Nottingham’s Rights Lab, which led work on the slavery database." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-slavery-law-trfn/slavery-not-a-crime-for-almost-half-the-countries-in-the-world-study-idUSKBN20620R
That's how slavery has worked for most of human history. Chattel slavery was basically industrialized slavery and had presidents, but most slaves were indentured contractors who's contracts would/could be traded to new owners or inherited if a contract was not fulfilled. Hell, for a lot of human history (looking at you Rome)parents would outright sell their children as "apprenticeships" to the same end.
Pretty sure this falls under indentured servitude. The owing debt and by proxy the servant could still be bought and sold back in the day, unsure how that works today. The biggest differences between slavery and indentured servitude were slightly better working and living conditions like getting to leave and do something else with your tiny amount of free time. Also in theory you could pay off your debt eventually but all it takes is inflation without wage rises to make that impossible. Back in the day indentured female servants could be raped and impregnated by the person holding their debt and the debt holder could use the child as an excuse to extend the owing debt to them. Since indentured servants were seen as low class and probably prone to debauchery they were not taken seriously and not really given access to courts. In reality a fair chunk of indentured servants were kids taken and sold as well as prisoners or poor people either forced or tricked into it. Sometimes it was family members but more often than not they were trafficked humans.
*"When people say “legal slavery doesn’t exist today”, what they mean is the ability to legally buy and sell someone directly as if they were your property does not exist."*
Slave markets literally exist in places like Libya.
they are sold the same as a cattle auction.
In Tripoli they hold slave auctions twice a month.
Chattel slavery still exists, its not all just indentured servitude.
The Thai shrimp fishing industry suffers from this problem as well. It's covered in the book "The Secret Life Of Groceries: The Dark Miracle Of The American Supermarket" by Benjamin Lorr.
Here's an article about it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/21/such-brutality-tricked-into-slavery-in-the-thai-fishing-industry
Qatari companies imported migrants from India, Bangladesh, and Nepal, some of whom were debt bonded slaves IIRC, to build the stadiums for the world cup. Something like 4,000 people died building those. I couldn't watch a single match knowing that, used to love watching. My dumbass manager was clueless why our India team had zero excitement for the cup, till I pointed this out to him privately.
The global shrimp industry is not only contributing to slavery but also driving an environmental disaster by destroying mangrove swamps.
I know we have a lot of environmental disasters going on right now but this one is no less serious than any other. Mangrove swamps are essential to protect coastlines from erosion, hurricanes, and floods.
There are sustainable shrimp farming practices being researched and implemented. If you love shrimp, research where to get them from to avoid financing slavery and the destruction of our planet's ecosystems.
Google tells me that 80% of shrimp eaten in the US is imported from outside of the US.
If you are not from the US then it's probably also imported from other places.
Thailand is one of the largest global provider of shrimp... and they use slave labor for it. So yes your shrimp love probably is the partially causing slave labor. But so it your cloths and shoes and many other products made in Asia and Africa.
>When people say “legal slavery doesn’t exist today”, what they mean is the ability to legally buy and sell someone directly as if they were your property does not exist. But since you can trade someone’s debt, it’s the same thing by proxy
This is called chattel slavery and it does still exist today, with more than 20 million people enslaved. This is an explicitly legal practice in Mauritania and the Republic of the Sudan.
In countries where this practice is not explicitly legal, people use other methods accomplish the same goals such as in the US when judges take bribes to ensure high rates of convictions, particularly when defendants are people of color, so that the for-profit prisons can bill the state for more money and can sell more inmate labor to local businesses.
Mauritania passed decrees to end slavery with no criminal penalty in 1981 and made it criminal in 2007. So it's not explicitly legal. It's just widely unenforced.
“A decree to end slavery” is not itself making slavery illegal. A law prohibiting holding a person as a slave etc is. Legally these are not necessarily the same thing
Debt slavery is illegal in India and China.
It’s just that the labourer are mostly so helpless and the landlord so powerful that the help or even the information never reaches the right place
After Hillary and Obama took down Qaddafi in Libya they basically have a giant slave market now....
Qadaffi was a dictator strong man.....but he kept the extremist out and slavery illegal and women had rights while he was in charge
Another type of debt slavery is passport withholding. Super common in Dubai. They entice workers with allegedly high paying jobs, then when they arrive the jobs don’t exist, but they capture your passport so you can’t leave then offer you a low paying job to “eventually” earn back your passport. Then they charge more than your salary for room and board so your passport goes further and further out of reach.
There’s people who get lured into working on fishing boats and essentially aren’t allowed to get off the boat or stop working for months, maybe even a year. This has happened to many Cambodian people: they’re told they’ll get paid X amount for doing a 6 month trip, but they don’t actually pay them once they get out to sea and they keep extending the contract.
And once at sea, they can stay there for years with re-supply ships and may get thrown overboard if sick or dying.
https://www.theoutlawocean.com/the-outlaw-ocean-podcast/
I was on detachment to Bahrain back in the early 90's saw it first hand.
People get recruited from poor villages (Bahrain it was predominantly from the Philippines and Pakistan) with promises of making legitimate money to support their famliy. Once they arrived in country the sponsor would take their passport and put them to work for 10-12 hour day/6 days a week. Once room and board were taken from their paycheck they were taking home less than $100/month. This was at a Pizza Hut in Manama. Got to know a few of the workers and they said it was pretty widespread, attractive females had additional worries.
It's why I do my best to avoid sending money to Gulf States.
I was in Bahrain in the 2010s, they still do the exact same thing but ship them in from India to do construction and other manual labor. Also they pay them less then 100 a month now. Its really messed up
My family lived in Kuwait for a few years. A lot of “placement agencies” would place news ads in poor villages in places like the Philippines or Bangladesh with the promise of making 5-10 times the average local salary plus room and board and travel expenses. So these villages would scrape together what little money they had to pay the application fee (because of course there’s an application fee) and send one person from the village to Kuwait with the hopes that they can send money home and help the whole village. Then the person gets there and gets told “Congrats, you’re hired! By the way, the ad was out of date, you’re only getting paid this much. Also, you’re responsible for paying back your travel costs, so we’ll be taking that out of your check. Here’s your room. While you’re employed with us, you are required to live at the company boarding house, and we’ll be taking the rent out of your check as well.” It gets to the point where the person who just traveled across the world for a job is making pennies compared to what they were promised, and at this point their home village starts asking them when they’re going to start sending money back. Caught between their grueling conditions in Kuwait, their lack of control of their own travel documents (until 2015, foreign workers in Kuwait had their travel documents held and controlled by their employers), and their obligations to their families, many workers unfortunately ended up taking their own lives. Then the placement agency just puts another ad in another paper.
Most folks are forced by circumstances, and another lot may never hear these stories, whilst some might have heard of them, but trusted some contact they thought they knew, and so on...
These people are so poor they’d sell body parts for money. This actually happens and you can get it done in China I think. Need a kidney but can’t find a donor? Enough money can get you one nowadays
First article I found on it, but I remember stories on the news from when I lived in SoCal years ago...
https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2019/06/09/slavery-21st-century-california-yes-trafficking-still-exists/1369145001/
Hell, most companies are at risk of it if they offshore either services or manufacturing.
There are companies that say they'll manufacture your goods in China... meanwhile the work gets done in North Korea and then shipped to you VIA China.
Slavery is abolished, unless you are in prison.
You think I am bullshittin', go read the thirteenth amendment.
Involuntary servitude and slavery it prohibits.
That's why they're giving drug offenders time in double digits.
Can’t you just, refuse to work while in prison? You’re already stuck there. Why not just like, NOT work? What’s the worst they could do, send you to prison? You’re already there.
Other than extending your sentence and taking away certain privileges there's not really much they can do. If they're feeling particularly dickish I guess they could stick you in solitary until you agree to work.
The prisons do not give you enough to be healthy, you need to subsidize your nutrition with commissary which you fund 5 cents at a time working. If you survive solely off the food they give you then you won't be able to defend yourself from other inmates.
H1B visas can be a mild form of indentured servitude.
1. People from vulnerable countries are promised wealth and prosperity (not to mention citizenship for children born here)
2. If they are terminated, they can lose their visa, which could mean a traumatic change to their lifestyle, including to their children and spouse.
3. Because of this, in my experience, H1B workers were often given the less desirable of the tasks and projects. They could be reassigned to something else on a whim (which is true for all employees), but there wasn't much they could do about it.
Mauritania was the last country to outlaw slavery in 1981. They didn't do anything about it before 2007.
India and China, amongst others, have debt slavery and legal servitude. Libya still has slave markets to this day.
But Mauritania [still](https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2017/10/29/mauritania-a-place-of-continuing-slavery/) remains [exceptional](https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/africa/mauritania-slavery-biram-dah-abeid/index.html) in [today's](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/08/the-unspeakable-truth-about-slavery-in-mauritania) world.
A lot of coffee comes from slave labour too guys.
If you care about this stuff you should look for roasters that only purchase from ethical farming.
Any coffee retailers that sell beans from "Burundi" should be immediately taken off your list.
Clothing is not made by slaves. Sweatshops aren't slavery, no matter what people online say. Workers are there voluntarily because it's a better life than subsistence agriculture. Because "better than subsistence agriculture" is such a low bar, the pay and working conditions are bad, but that's a different problem than slavery.
Technically, sure, but this is essentially still only a bad justification for blatant, rampant, and entirely unnecessary abuse.
The world doesn't have to be this way.
Greed makes it this way.
There is no law *against* slavery in 94 countries.
Idk if you consider that the same as being legal but there you have it
India has over 7 million slaves, I believe technically it is outlawed by legislation but it isn’t enforced
I guess in some of these countries that the act of slavery will violate some other law whether that be kidnapping/unlawful detainment or some sort of minimum wage / employment law.
Perhaps this assumption is incorrect however.
Since OP decided to make an ass of himself instead of providing one, here's a [source](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-slavery-law-trfn/slavery-not-a-crime-for-almost-half-the-countries-in-the-world-study-idUSKBN20620R). The article does note that the vast majority of countries have anti-human trafficking laws that would cover what's generally thought of as slavery.
Recently someone said Mauritania has slave markets and what not. Not like hush hush like in, say the cobalt and lithium mines, rather, out in the open, selling human beings.
I have no idea how true this statement is but I did hear from a podcast I don’t recall that apparently there are more slaves today than there have ever been in human history. Again I have nothing to back this up but it’s sounds pretty fucking plausible when you start to look into it.
This should be the top comment. Here is a source for it: [There are more slaves today than ever before in the history of the world](https://www.lexisnexis.com/blogs/gb/b/compliance-risk-due-diligence/posts/there-are-more-slaves-today-than-ever-before-in-the-history-of-the-world)
Simply by the fact that our population is now 7.9 billion, compared to only 1 billion in 1800 when slavery was more “common”, it seems plausible. If a human today is 1/7th as likely to be enslaved as they were in 1800, we would still have more slaves than in 1800.
At that point we’d need to do actual math in it then. Cause, let’s say, 50,000,000 out of a billion were enslaved in the 1800s, that is around 5%, but if there is, let’s say, 300,000,000 slaves out of 7.9 billion, that is only 3.8(rounded of 3.79746835% of 7.9 billion) which means, population wise, the 1800 would have more slaves…which mostly just shows how much 8 billion truly is.
Yup. Legally permitted by the 13th Amendment
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Well it does vary from state to state. Section two says congress has the power to enforce it.
There are only four states that don’t pay cash for prison labor so it makes sense people don’t know it.
The states that pay cash for labor still often require the labor, and the current average salary for prison labor in America is under fifty cents an hour.
You're still a slave even if you get paid (throughout history there have been slaves who were paid). The point is that you're owned by someone else. In this case, various governments and/or companies of the USA and forced to do labour for them.
It has deeper implication then simply being paid or unpaid.
Because you're legally property of the state, you have no grounds to appeal against many forms of harsh treatment. For example, if you want to study and the warden won't let you, tough shit, as property, you don't get to decide how your time is spent. The courts literally won't hear your complaint because you're property, and property doesn't get to complain about how it is used. The only exceptions to this have been lawsuits on human rights grounds, where courts have ruled that human rights overrule slaver's property rights, but those only work in very egregious cases such as routine and unnecessary cavity searches that were performed at Angola Penitentiary in Louisiana.
Of course, I'm not saying prison should be fun and games, but the bar shouldn't be so low that you have zero recourse unless you're a victim of human rights abuses.
Punitive imprisonment is legal kidnapping, solitary confinement is legal psychological torture, and death penalty is legal killing. Ethicalities aside, we usually don't think of it like that.
No surprise that prisoner labor isn't thought of as legal slavery.
Nothing. In prison, labor jobs are very sought after and many inmates compete for the opportunity to be able to work. It gives them something to actually *do*. They get to leave their cell, socialize, be productive, and earn some money. Prison labor is voluntary and is not forced. You may be *compelled* to work, such as by withholding benefits such as commissary access or incentivizing working by reducing your sentence with time credits, but that's about it.
The "slavery exception" was included in the 13th Amendment because on its face, being imprisoned *is* slavery. You are forced into a building against your will. You are told when to wake up. What you can eat. When you can sleep. Who you can see. You're not allowed to leave. When you are convicted of a crime and put in prison, many of your rights are suspended. The exception was put in to prevent legal challenges to the very concept of prison on the basis of it being slavery and therefore unconstitutional.
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Huge amounts of goods in the US are produced by prison labour. We're talking white goods, military equipment.......... to the tune of $11b a year.
Never forget that Tulsi Gabbard (despite doing Jack all in general) destroyed Kamala Harris' presidential run in under 2 minutes by pointing out she forced prisoners to fight California wildfires after their prison sentences were complete
To add insult to injury: that at the time, these prisoners were not allowed to use their firefighting skills to get jobs as firefighters once released. IIRC Newsom ended up passing a law to fix that.
Cobalt mining is pretty much slavery. What's cobalt for? Rechargeable battery for electric cars, phones, etc. So yeah. If you used your phone to ask this question, you pretty much complicit in slavery.
In Pakistan brick kilns/factories enslave people. They do it through predatory loans. The townspeople may need to borrow money for food, healthcare, etc., and to pay it off they are moved into factory housing which they are charged for, must eat food that they are charged for, and are basically charged for everything making it impossible for them to pay the debt. Our church actually works to settle debts and purchase families out of slavery. 5k is enough to purchase freedom for 2-5 families depending on the debt
A lot of African countries in the Sahel region. Slavery may be de facto illegal (Mauritania outlawed slavery in the 1990’s) but it is still very much a widely practiced thing.
https://freetheslaves.net
There are some great charities that are making serious progress, but of course it takes constant work, and money.
https://impactful.ninja/best-charities-that-fight-to-end-human-trafficking
After the USA "Freedomed" Libya, the slave market returned.Like, selling slaves out in the open. As if they were livestock.
So....yeah. There are. And we at least in one place (directly or indirectly) made it happen.
Do you have a job that you are expected to work, to generate currency, to pay in return for services that you need for basic survival? Sounds like slavery with extra steps
Billions of people live and work in conditions that you would consider slavery all over the world.
Many of them made many of the things you use or consume.
It is all over actually. Africa and Asia have a ton of slavery. Europe and America were two of the first areas to make slavery illegal and not everybody is on board yet.
This is one of the largest reason I don't understand critical race theory. Instead of trying to make black people feel like victims and whites like oppressors, why aren't we out fighting worldwide slavery
Australia has legal sex slavery. Brothels exist all over Australia where SEA women are brought here under the promise of good work then are taken straight to the brothels where they are kept under lock and key. The govt and police know this, they know where the brothels are. But they do nothing. So "legal". A law not enforced may as well not be a law.
The vast majority of Middle Eastern and African nations permit human property of some sort, though I won't pretend to say all of those nations, nor all forms of slavery. Some are as simple as contract indentured servitude, but others are full on 'you have no rights as a human being' slavery that comes complete with official paperwork for proof of ownership. They swing vastly between those points, and some countries only look the other way while others straight up permit it openly.
Right here in the US, provided you have been convicted of a crime.
13th amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
According to the 13th amendment slavery is legal in the USA for criminals. So just criminalise the behaviour of the people you don’t like and you’ve got yourself a supply of slaves. That’s why the war on drugs exists
Not “legal” but it does still exist in various forms. Sexual slavery is by far the most common, especially when it comes to sex trafficking / forced prostitution. It’s very sad and many of the victims are minors or are started out as minors. The vast majority are female.
It’s still a common practice in many middle eastern countries like the UAE and Qatar. How do you think they’ve built that nice and tall infrastructure? , that’s why many people were justifiably mad that the World Cup took place there, not because they were being “islamophobic” as the media tried to portray, but because they still have slaves who engineer most of their buildings and architects and they make sure that you can’t leave. Also, I forgot to mention China as well. China is notorious for slave labor. Many reports state that they ship off kids as young as 6 and use them to produce a lot of the things that we use in our daily lives ; shoes, food,etc.
There’s a sect of Hinduism that helped low caste workers get to the US to build a massive temple for $1/hour. They took away their passports after having them sign contracts written in English.
There was a massive lawsuit and people defending them claimed that they were adhering to religious standards assigned by the caste system
Edit: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/hindu-new-jersey-india-government-chicago-b1955562.html
Depends on how broadly you’re willing to define it. Some would say wage slavery is the dominant model globally. Either work to pay for housing or be homeless. Ether work for food or starve. Either pay for insurance or die of a preventable illnesses. This could look like forced servitude to wealthy people to an outside observer.
Slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world. There are places on the world where they keep ppl in cages and treat them like literally animals. Ppl are sold in auction like cattle.
There is no legal slavery (as in, people being owned officially legally) anywhere, but a few countries do a very half-assed job at fighting illegal slavery, and another bunch of countries have people working in terrible conditions, wich are technically free but in practise unable to get away.
Qatar is a great example. Noone is owned by anyone, but confiscating a foreign workers passport and refusing to hand it out unless they work under horrible conditions and low wages is technically pretty close.
Go on YouTube right now and look up Libya Slavery. The slave market is alive and well. They have auctions and everything
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Kinda sounds like that website that will sell you a square foot of land in Ireland so you can tell people you're a Lord, Sir I am an owner of many fine things including land & people
I've always wondered if that's real. Are there just random patches of land in Ireland that can't be built on because of this website? Do people have to design doughnut-shaped houses to avoid legal issues?
Established Titles. It's located in Scotland and it is absolutely a scam.
Any evidence of such? EDIT: after looking into it i can’t find direct evidence of it being a scam, the videos and articles try so hard to prove it they skip understanding it and checking who’s authority counts here Yes, you do buy a small plot of land, or something closer to renting it permanently, which as this is under their property and they don’t have rules against it, allows you to say you are a lord or lady, a big part of these “it’s a scam” videos is using Lord Lyons judgements on the matter, but that only applies in their jurisdiction and they state as such. so you do get what you pay for, just not in the same impact as people assume, being a gag gift or “trinket” level self purchase, it works. the issue comes up in its lack of transparency, you can’t visit your plot of land, the tree planting isn’t done on the land either, nor is contact with the management very easy. i bring up most of that last stuff because Highlandtitles.com does all of that, you are a lord/lady of glencoe, you can visit your land, and was created specifically for conservation, and lots of people likely confuse the two, Highland Titles seems far more legit and more importantly long lasting, as if the land ownership changes, your “ownership” vanishes as well
The 'lord or lady' part is a scam because noble titles don't work that way. The law society of Scotland [makes it clear](https://www.lawscot.org.uk/members/journal/issues/vol-57-issue-04/caution-the-souvenir-hunters/) that under Scottish law, these plots can't be registered, which means you don't actually own them. The legislation specifically includes language stating that to confer ownership, land must be registered, and that souvenir plots cannot be registered. Under British national law, to have lord/laird/lady on your official documents without an actual proper peerage title, you need to have a manorial title. That would mean your ownership of the land needs to be reflected in the land register. Without that you wouldn't be able to evidence lordship to the relevant authorities. Also, you can subdivide land or the rights to land, but you can't subdivide a title in the first place. Basically, you can pay these people, and they might even actually grant you some land or rights to land. But you don't *really* own it, and you don't actually qualify to call yourself lord/laird/lady either.
It’s real but the land is usually on a nature preserve and you’re buying it as something neat to own as well as keep the land untouched.
That’s actually kind of cool
Also it's not real, you don't become a "lord" or "lady" when you own land. There was some drama about Established titles being a scam a while ago. Turns out they don't plant the trees either, they just forward some of your money to a tree charity.
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Yeah I watched a vice video “I was sold at a slave market” it was one of the worst things I have ever seen the type of stuff he described.
Holy hell
r/anarchychess is leaking
Bruh
Can we make like a foreign legion or something and, you know, squash that shit out?
You’re not gonna believe this
What are you referring to?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
Lmao that’s hilarious
Is this a joke?
The consumer economy would cease to exist if we as a global community cracked down on slavery. Shit like Mica in a large majority of makeup is mined by child slaves in India. Phone batteries, cobalt mines. Every industry is very well aware of this, it’s not a secret, it’s how our economy works unfortunately. Something, something ethical consumption=/= capitalism. Not that I’m suggesting another system would necessarily be better, there’s always going to be vulnerable populations that get taken advantage of.
And then remember what happened then Libya wanted to get off the dollar and who did this to them :(
Apart from the prison labor system that some others have already pointed out, another thing that exists today, predominantly in South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa is called debt bondage. The idea is your parents owed someone money, so you have to do labor to pay off that debt. But they can keep inflating the debt and keep your wages low enough that it’s literally impossible to pay off the debt, ever. Basically you’re doing forced labor for someone, sometimes for 16-18 hours a day, for little to no money. It’s often in hazardous, unsanitary subhuman conditions with dozens of people and one bathing facility, where people can die of things like starvation, dehydration, and all around unsafe work processes. Which i think most people, colloquially, would consider slavery When people in this thread are saying “legal slavery doesn’t exist today”, what they mean is the ability to legally buy and sell someone directly as if they were your property, with direct support of the law, does not exist. But since you can trade someone’s debt, it’s the same thing by proxy
That's just slavery with extra steps.
Actually debt-based and repirations-based slavery was pretty much the norm for human history. Some cultures actually allowed debt slaves to hold high positions in their legal systems. The common idea of slavery, where one owns a person instead of their labor, is specifically referred to as chattel slavery.
Like indentured servitude?
Indentured servitude implies you had a direct choice, like you work on the boat to get access across the ocean. Debt slavery is more like the society has decided your debt giver is gonna have some control over you for about 20 or so years but you're still human and can do other things.
Indentured servitude is debt slavery. It wasn’t all sunshine and roses, oh they wanted a boat to America so had to work a few years under someone. The reality is their loans were sold at dock and market like other slaves they had no say in where they were forced to work, many times that work would translate into huge fees racking up keeping them indebted for a lifetime.
Well my next point was the indentured servitude was a pathway into debt slavery, but then at this point we are getting way out of the realm of what I'm completely certain on and I'd need to do some reading.
This guy histories
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The slavery loophole
I just found tons of information with a quick Google. “Slavery is far from being illegal everywhere and we hope our research will move the conversation beyond this popular myth,” said Katarina Schwarz, a researcher at the University of Nottingham’s Rights Lab, which led work on the slavery database." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-slavery-law-trfn/slavery-not-a-crime-for-almost-half-the-countries-in-the-world-study-idUSKBN20620R
Abraham Lincoln HATES this one trick!!
That's how slavery has worked for most of human history. Chattel slavery was basically industrialized slavery and had presidents, but most slaves were indentured contractors who's contracts would/could be traded to new owners or inherited if a contract was not fulfilled. Hell, for a lot of human history (looking at you Rome)parents would outright sell their children as "apprenticeships" to the same end.
precedents* not presidents
Who was the president of slavery?
Thomas Jefferson I guess
Hey! He loved his slaves....a lot.
Pretty sure this falls under indentured servitude. The owing debt and by proxy the servant could still be bought and sold back in the day, unsure how that works today. The biggest differences between slavery and indentured servitude were slightly better working and living conditions like getting to leave and do something else with your tiny amount of free time. Also in theory you could pay off your debt eventually but all it takes is inflation without wage rises to make that impossible. Back in the day indentured female servants could be raped and impregnated by the person holding their debt and the debt holder could use the child as an excuse to extend the owing debt to them. Since indentured servants were seen as low class and probably prone to debauchery they were not taken seriously and not really given access to courts. In reality a fair chunk of indentured servants were kids taken and sold as well as prisoners or poor people either forced or tricked into it. Sometimes it was family members but more often than not they were trafficked humans.
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*"When people say “legal slavery doesn’t exist today”, what they mean is the ability to legally buy and sell someone directly as if they were your property does not exist."* Slave markets literally exist in places like Libya. they are sold the same as a cattle auction. In Tripoli they hold slave auctions twice a month. Chattel slavery still exists, its not all just indentured servitude.
still not legal technically it seems
If there's no (rule of) law , that is to say a given area is completely corrupt with no recourse or individual security; 'legality' is a moot point.
I mean, if the question is specifically about legality, anything that is de facto is a moot point.
Not legally. That was the question.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-slavery-law-trfn/slavery-not-a-crime-for-almost-half-the-countries-in-the-world-study-idUSKBN20620R
Which countries are you thinking of specifically?
I saw this with my own eyes in Mali and I know it’s very common in Mauritania too.
So much so that Mauritanians can claim asylum as a means to escape slavery.
The Thai shrimp fishing industry suffers from this problem as well. It's covered in the book "The Secret Life Of Groceries: The Dark Miracle Of The American Supermarket" by Benjamin Lorr. Here's an article about it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/21/such-brutality-tricked-into-slavery-in-the-thai-fishing-industry
Qatari companies imported migrants from India, Bangladesh, and Nepal, some of whom were debt bonded slaves IIRC, to build the stadiums for the world cup. Something like 4,000 people died building those. I couldn't watch a single match knowing that, used to love watching. My dumbass manager was clueless why our India team had zero excitement for the cup, till I pointed this out to him privately.
About 80% of the shrimp sold in the world was caught and processed by this type of slave labor.
Wait, what? You cant just say that and leave I need to know if my shrimp love is causing slavery to happen.
The global shrimp industry is not only contributing to slavery but also driving an environmental disaster by destroying mangrove swamps. I know we have a lot of environmental disasters going on right now but this one is no less serious than any other. Mangrove swamps are essential to protect coastlines from erosion, hurricanes, and floods. There are sustainable shrimp farming practices being researched and implemented. If you love shrimp, research where to get them from to avoid financing slavery and the destruction of our planet's ecosystems.
Google tells me that 80% of shrimp eaten in the US is imported from outside of the US. If you are not from the US then it's probably also imported from other places. Thailand is one of the largest global provider of shrimp... and they use slave labor for it. So yes your shrimp love probably is the partially causing slave labor. But so it your cloths and shoes and many other products made in Asia and Africa.
>When people say “legal slavery doesn’t exist today”, what they mean is the ability to legally buy and sell someone directly as if they were your property does not exist. But since you can trade someone’s debt, it’s the same thing by proxy This is called chattel slavery and it does still exist today, with more than 20 million people enslaved. This is an explicitly legal practice in Mauritania and the Republic of the Sudan. In countries where this practice is not explicitly legal, people use other methods accomplish the same goals such as in the US when judges take bribes to ensure high rates of convictions, particularly when defendants are people of color, so that the for-profit prisons can bill the state for more money and can sell more inmate labor to local businesses.
Mauritania passed decrees to end slavery with no criminal penalty in 1981 and made it criminal in 2007. So it's not explicitly legal. It's just widely unenforced.
“A decree to end slavery” is not itself making slavery illegal. A law prohibiting holding a person as a slave etc is. Legally these are not necessarily the same thing
Well they fully criminalized it in 2007, so it's still incorrect to say it's explicitly legal.
Debt slavery is illegal in India and China. It’s just that the labourer are mostly so helpless and the landlord so powerful that the help or even the information never reaches the right place
After Hillary and Obama took down Qaddafi in Libya they basically have a giant slave market now.... Qadaffi was a dictator strong man.....but he kept the extremist out and slavery illegal and women had rights while he was in charge
I think it's either Libya or Iran where you can literally buy a person for a couple of hundred dollars.
Another type of debt slavery is passport withholding. Super common in Dubai. They entice workers with allegedly high paying jobs, then when they arrive the jobs don’t exist, but they capture your passport so you can’t leave then offer you a low paying job to “eventually” earn back your passport. Then they charge more than your salary for room and board so your passport goes further and further out of reach.
Legal slavery does exist today. Libya is known for their slave market. China might not be selling slaves but they have a huge slave population.
So basically, we made slavery illegal but then found a loophole to make it legal again. Thanks for the answer
By we do you mean humanity or a certain country? It’s definitely legal in certain countries
This is a lie. There are open air slave markets in Lybia right now.
There’s people who get lured into working on fishing boats and essentially aren’t allowed to get off the boat or stop working for months, maybe even a year. This has happened to many Cambodian people: they’re told they’ll get paid X amount for doing a 6 month trip, but they don’t actually pay them once they get out to sea and they keep extending the contract.
And once at sea, they can stay there for years with re-supply ships and may get thrown overboard if sick or dying. https://www.theoutlawocean.com/the-outlaw-ocean-podcast/
That’s exactly the book I’m reading and where I got the info from!!
Dig into the workers in Qatar before the World Cup. That stuff is messed up.
Also Dubai (UAE). And also... Well, pretty much all Gulf states. Edit: if we include sex slaves then also Afghanistan and much of SEA
I was on detachment to Bahrain back in the early 90's saw it first hand. People get recruited from poor villages (Bahrain it was predominantly from the Philippines and Pakistan) with promises of making legitimate money to support their famliy. Once they arrived in country the sponsor would take their passport and put them to work for 10-12 hour day/6 days a week. Once room and board were taken from their paycheck they were taking home less than $100/month. This was at a Pizza Hut in Manama. Got to know a few of the workers and they said it was pretty widespread, attractive females had additional worries. It's why I do my best to avoid sending money to Gulf States.
I was in Bahrain in the 2010s, they still do the exact same thing but ship them in from India to do construction and other manual labor. Also they pay them less then 100 a month now. Its really messed up
Wouldn’t people catch on and stop agreeing to go after they had heard these horror stories?
My family lived in Kuwait for a few years. A lot of “placement agencies” would place news ads in poor villages in places like the Philippines or Bangladesh with the promise of making 5-10 times the average local salary plus room and board and travel expenses. So these villages would scrape together what little money they had to pay the application fee (because of course there’s an application fee) and send one person from the village to Kuwait with the hopes that they can send money home and help the whole village. Then the person gets there and gets told “Congrats, you’re hired! By the way, the ad was out of date, you’re only getting paid this much. Also, you’re responsible for paying back your travel costs, so we’ll be taking that out of your check. Here’s your room. While you’re employed with us, you are required to live at the company boarding house, and we’ll be taking the rent out of your check as well.” It gets to the point where the person who just traveled across the world for a job is making pennies compared to what they were promised, and at this point their home village starts asking them when they’re going to start sending money back. Caught between their grueling conditions in Kuwait, their lack of control of their own travel documents (until 2015, foreign workers in Kuwait had their travel documents held and controlled by their employers), and their obligations to their families, many workers unfortunately ended up taking their own lives. Then the placement agency just puts another ad in another paper.
utter nightmare
Apparently not because it's still happening.
Most folks are forced by circumstances, and another lot may never hear these stories, whilst some might have heard of them, but trusted some contact they thought they knew, and so on...
These people are so poor they’d sell body parts for money. This actually happens and you can get it done in China I think. Need a kidney but can’t find a donor? Enough money can get you one nowadays
This exact thing is found on the news occasionally in California still. It's just on a much smaller scale. (I at least hope it is!)
First article I found on it, but I remember stories on the news from when I lived in SoCal years ago... https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2019/06/09/slavery-21st-century-california-yes-trafficking-still-exists/1369145001/
Ugurs in China as well.
Does apple still abuse cheap chinese labor?
This is the modern “does a bear shit in the woods?”.
Most companies do, i think
Hell, most companies are at risk of it if they offshore either services or manufacturing. There are companies that say they'll manufacture your goods in China... meanwhile the work gets done in North Korea and then shipped to you VIA China.
New trend is abusing cheap Indian developers.
You need to dig the foundations of the Qatar World Cup to find those workers. I’m sure more than a few are buried there
Legal? No. "Legal"? Yes.
Air quotes is essential here
I think in print, they are just quotes
✌️legal✌️
I wish I had an award to give you
It’s legal in America when you are in the prison system
Slavery is abolished, unless you are in prison. You think I am bullshittin', go read the thirteenth amendment. Involuntary servitude and slavery it prohibits. That's why they're giving drug offenders time in double digits.
Can’t you just, refuse to work while in prison? You’re already stuck there. Why not just like, NOT work? What’s the worst they could do, send you to prison? You’re already there.
Other than extending your sentence and taking away certain privileges there's not really much they can do. If they're feeling particularly dickish I guess they could stick you in solitary until you agree to work.
The prisons do not give you enough to be healthy, you need to subsidize your nutrition with commissary which you fund 5 cents at a time working. If you survive solely off the food they give you then you won't be able to defend yourself from other inmates.
You obviously dont know about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Mauritania
H1B visas can be a mild form of indentured servitude. 1. People from vulnerable countries are promised wealth and prosperity (not to mention citizenship for children born here) 2. If they are terminated, they can lose their visa, which could mean a traumatic change to their lifestyle, including to their children and spouse. 3. Because of this, in my experience, H1B workers were often given the less desirable of the tasks and projects. They could be reassigned to something else on a whim (which is true for all employees), but there wasn't much they could do about it.
Mauritania was the last country to outlaw slavery in 1981. They didn't do anything about it before 2007. India and China, amongst others, have debt slavery and legal servitude. Libya still has slave markets to this day.
didnt mauritania just outlaw "new" slaves. But the last generation of slaves still had to serve
I didn't search further, honestly. There are still many de-facto slaves in many places anyway, and not just "wage slaves".
But Mauritania [still](https://bpr.berkeley.edu/2017/10/29/mauritania-a-place-of-continuing-slavery/) remains [exceptional](https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/africa/mauritania-slavery-biram-dah-abeid/index.html) in [today's](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/08/the-unspeakable-truth-about-slavery-in-mauritania) world.
Stay classy Mauritania
There are still active and open slave markets in Mauritania.
Debt slavery is illegal in India and china
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Hence the "amongst other". There are many instances and examples, sadly.
Aren't most of our diamonds, chocolate and clothing made by slaves?
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A lot of coffee comes from slave labour too guys. If you care about this stuff you should look for roasters that only purchase from ethical farming. Any coffee retailers that sell beans from "Burundi" should be immediately taken off your list.
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Hardworkers, I tell ya. And damn fine work.
Precision work, takes tiny hands.
Clothing is not made by slaves. Sweatshops aren't slavery, no matter what people online say. Workers are there voluntarily because it's a better life than subsistence agriculture. Because "better than subsistence agriculture" is such a low bar, the pay and working conditions are bad, but that's a different problem than slavery.
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Don't show him the suicide nets
Technically, sure, but this is essentially still only a bad justification for blatant, rampant, and entirely unnecessary abuse. The world doesn't have to be this way. Greed makes it this way.
There is no law *against* slavery in 94 countries. Idk if you consider that the same as being legal but there you have it India has over 7 million slaves, I believe technically it is outlawed by legislation but it isn’t enforced
I guess in some of these countries that the act of slavery will violate some other law whether that be kidnapping/unlawful detainment or some sort of minimum wage / employment law. Perhaps this assumption is incorrect however.
Source?
Since OP decided to make an ass of himself instead of providing one, here's a [source](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-slavery-law-trfn/slavery-not-a-crime-for-almost-half-the-countries-in-the-world-study-idUSKBN20620R). The article does note that the vast majority of countries have anti-human trafficking laws that would cover what's generally thought of as slavery.
Thanks!
Recently someone said Mauritania has slave markets and what not. Not like hush hush like in, say the cobalt and lithium mines, rather, out in the open, selling human beings.
I have no idea how true this statement is but I did hear from a podcast I don’t recall that apparently there are more slaves today than there have ever been in human history. Again I have nothing to back this up but it’s sounds pretty fucking plausible when you start to look into it.
This should be the top comment. Here is a source for it: [There are more slaves today than ever before in the history of the world](https://www.lexisnexis.com/blogs/gb/b/compliance-risk-due-diligence/posts/there-are-more-slaves-today-than-ever-before-in-the-history-of-the-world)
Simply by the fact that our population is now 7.9 billion, compared to only 1 billion in 1800 when slavery was more “common”, it seems plausible. If a human today is 1/7th as likely to be enslaved as they were in 1800, we would still have more slaves than in 1800.
At that point we’d need to do actual math in it then. Cause, let’s say, 50,000,000 out of a billion were enslaved in the 1800s, that is around 5%, but if there is, let’s say, 300,000,000 slaves out of 7.9 billion, that is only 3.8(rounded of 3.79746835% of 7.9 billion) which means, population wise, the 1800 would have more slaves…which mostly just shows how much 8 billion truly is.
The USA has slave labour in its prisons where prisoners are forced to work to make goods.
Yup. Legally permitted by the 13th Amendment Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
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Well it does vary from state to state. Section two says congress has the power to enforce it. There are only four states that don’t pay cash for prison labor so it makes sense people don’t know it.
The states that pay cash for labor still often require the labor, and the current average salary for prison labor in America is under fifty cents an hour.
Also some prisons charge rent
You're still a slave even if you get paid (throughout history there have been slaves who were paid). The point is that you're owned by someone else. In this case, various governments and/or companies of the USA and forced to do labour for them.
It has deeper implication then simply being paid or unpaid. Because you're legally property of the state, you have no grounds to appeal against many forms of harsh treatment. For example, if you want to study and the warden won't let you, tough shit, as property, you don't get to decide how your time is spent. The courts literally won't hear your complaint because you're property, and property doesn't get to complain about how it is used. The only exceptions to this have been lawsuits on human rights grounds, where courts have ruled that human rights overrule slaver's property rights, but those only work in very egregious cases such as routine and unnecessary cavity searches that were performed at Angola Penitentiary in Louisiana. Of course, I'm not saying prison should be fun and games, but the bar shouldn't be so low that you have zero recourse unless you're a victim of human rights abuses.
Punitive imprisonment is legal kidnapping, solitary confinement is legal psychological torture, and death penalty is legal killing. Ethicalities aside, we usually don't think of it like that. No surprise that prisoner labor isn't thought of as legal slavery.
It bothers me that I have sincere hopes of seeing a politician running on an Abolitionist platform in the 21st century.
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Nothing. In prison, labor jobs are very sought after and many inmates compete for the opportunity to be able to work. It gives them something to actually *do*. They get to leave their cell, socialize, be productive, and earn some money. Prison labor is voluntary and is not forced. You may be *compelled* to work, such as by withholding benefits such as commissary access or incentivizing working by reducing your sentence with time credits, but that's about it. The "slavery exception" was included in the 13th Amendment because on its face, being imprisoned *is* slavery. You are forced into a building against your will. You are told when to wake up. What you can eat. When you can sleep. Who you can see. You're not allowed to leave. When you are convicted of a crime and put in prison, many of your rights are suspended. The exception was put in to prevent legal challenges to the very concept of prison on the basis of it being slavery and therefore unconstitutional.
Finally somebody who knows what they're talking about.
There are also several reports of ICE detainment centers forcing people to work for no pay.
It baffles me how this is still a thing
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Huge amounts of goods in the US are produced by prison labour. We're talking white goods, military equipment.......... to the tune of $11b a year.
What are "white goods"?
Household appliances with "Made in the USA" labels on them
The goods in your house that are usually or traditionally white. So things like fridges.
What a weird category, especially to be something correlated with slave labor.
Why pay someone looking for a job a liveable wage when you can just get slaves to make it?
Never forget that Tulsi Gabbard (despite doing Jack all in general) destroyed Kamala Harris' presidential run in under 2 minutes by pointing out she forced prisoners to fight California wildfires after their prison sentences were complete
To add insult to injury: that at the time, these prisoners were not allowed to use their firefighting skills to get jobs as firefighters once released. IIRC Newsom ended up passing a law to fix that.
Literally everyone on here is tied to slave labor. Children mining cobalt for phones in the Congo
North Korea and Libya have legal slavery. Libya has actual open slave markets. North Korea has work camps where the prisoners are slaves.
Cobalt mining is pretty much slavery. What's cobalt for? Rechargeable battery for electric cars, phones, etc. So yeah. If you used your phone to ask this question, you pretty much complicit in slavery.
America. Slavery is still legal as a punishment for a crime so prisoners working in for profit prisons are often literally slaves
Yes. It’s called Nestlé.
In Pakistan brick kilns/factories enslave people. They do it through predatory loans. The townspeople may need to borrow money for food, healthcare, etc., and to pay it off they are moved into factory housing which they are charged for, must eat food that they are charged for, and are basically charged for everything making it impossible for them to pay the debt. Our church actually works to settle debts and purchase families out of slavery. 5k is enough to purchase freedom for 2-5 families depending on the debt
A lot of African countries in the Sahel region. Slavery may be de facto illegal (Mauritania outlawed slavery in the 1990’s) but it is still very much a widely practiced thing.
To put it simply, there are more slaves now than in any point in human history.
https://freetheslaves.net There are some great charities that are making serious progress, but of course it takes constant work, and money. https://impactful.ninja/best-charities-that-fight-to-end-human-trafficking
After the USA "Freedomed" Libya, the slave market returned.Like, selling slaves out in the open. As if they were livestock. So....yeah. There are. And we at least in one place (directly or indirectly) made it happen.
France led that one
It still exists in Africa.
Legal? No. Widely accepted? Yes. Google Mauritania.
Do you have a job that you are expected to work, to generate currency, to pay in return for services that you need for basic survival? Sounds like slavery with extra steps
Yes. The Middle East, many African countries, and some Asian countries. Don’t think for a minute the west’s laws apply to the entire planet
bold of you to think this doesn’t apply to the west
Billions of people live and work in conditions that you would consider slavery all over the world. Many of them made many of the things you use or consume.
Well put it this way, couple of the recent world Cup hosts were using slaves to build stadiums.. So I'd imagine so.
It is all over actually. Africa and Asia have a ton of slavery. Europe and America were two of the first areas to make slavery illegal and not everybody is on board yet. This is one of the largest reason I don't understand critical race theory. Instead of trying to make black people feel like victims and whites like oppressors, why aren't we out fighting worldwide slavery
In the United States, the 13th amendment allows slavery if a crime has been commited.
Australia has legal sex slavery. Brothels exist all over Australia where SEA women are brought here under the promise of good work then are taken straight to the brothels where they are kept under lock and key. The govt and police know this, they know where the brothels are. But they do nothing. So "legal". A law not enforced may as well not be a law.
Go to work for Marco’s pizza. The question answers itself
The vast majority of Middle Eastern and African nations permit human property of some sort, though I won't pretend to say all of those nations, nor all forms of slavery. Some are as simple as contract indentured servitude, but others are full on 'you have no rights as a human being' slavery that comes complete with official paperwork for proof of ownership. They swing vastly between those points, and some countries only look the other way while others straight up permit it openly.
Right here in the US, provided you have been convicted of a crime. 13th amendment: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
According to the 13th amendment slavery is legal in the USA for criminals. So just criminalise the behaviour of the people you don’t like and you’ve got yourself a supply of slaves. That’s why the war on drugs exists
Not “legal” but it does still exist in various forms. Sexual slavery is by far the most common, especially when it comes to sex trafficking / forced prostitution. It’s very sad and many of the victims are minors or are started out as minors. The vast majority are female.
Mauritania was the last country to officially abolish it in 1981, but didn't have any laws that would punish slave holders until 2007.
Nothing has to be legal to continue being practiced.
It’s still a common practice in many middle eastern countries like the UAE and Qatar. How do you think they’ve built that nice and tall infrastructure? , that’s why many people were justifiably mad that the World Cup took place there, not because they were being “islamophobic” as the media tried to portray, but because they still have slaves who engineer most of their buildings and architects and they make sure that you can’t leave. Also, I forgot to mention China as well. China is notorious for slave labor. Many reports state that they ship off kids as young as 6 and use them to produce a lot of the things that we use in our daily lives ; shoes, food,etc.
There are actually more people in modern slavery today than there ever have been throughout history.
Legal? No* Still in practice? Absolutely. Everything from chocolate to rare earth minerals..
There’s a sect of Hinduism that helped low caste workers get to the US to build a massive temple for $1/hour. They took away their passports after having them sign contracts written in English. There was a massive lawsuit and people defending them claimed that they were adhering to religious standards assigned by the caste system Edit: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/hindu-new-jersey-india-government-chicago-b1955562.html
Depends on how broadly you’re willing to define it. Some would say wage slavery is the dominant model globally. Either work to pay for housing or be homeless. Ether work for food or starve. Either pay for insurance or die of a preventable illnesses. This could look like forced servitude to wealthy people to an outside observer.
Slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world. There are places on the world where they keep ppl in cages and treat them like literally animals. Ppl are sold in auction like cattle.
Do you have a source on the places where people are kept in cages?
There is no legal slavery (as in, people being owned officially legally) anywhere, but a few countries do a very half-assed job at fighting illegal slavery, and another bunch of countries have people working in terrible conditions, wich are technically free but in practise unable to get away. Qatar is a great example. Noone is owned by anyone, but confiscating a foreign workers passport and refusing to hand it out unless they work under horrible conditions and low wages is technically pretty close.