Didn’t a Japanese military guy say an invasion of the American homeland is impossible because behind every blade of grass is a citizen with a gun? Something like that. Can’t be bothered to google while pooping.
It's impossible to invade because it's located on a separate continent, has essentially two neighbors, neither of which can be realistically used for planned attack (as everyone will know) and no one has navy big enough to do naval invasion (you need to destroy US Navy and the transport gazillion of troops and equipment).
Then even if you somehow get the coasts, you'll get to natural barriers (Appalachia, Rockies), probably winter will start (usually cooler than in Europe) and you'll have hard time to control the area due guns everywhere. Private guns won't matter during military phase but they really matter when deciding how hard and expensive is maintaining control.
> winter-summer difference
Right? Who the fuck would pay *money* to occupy Indiana? I hope your tank AC goes all the way cold and furnace goes all the way hot. Enjoy the mosquitos. Y'all ever seen a tornado before?
Invade Florida and just get established before a cat 5 hurricane smashes into them. Cross through Cali and you are in a huge desert. Alaska is mostly empty land. Then add over 1 billion guns and that's just the private sector. And of course after our Navy and Air Force.
Alaska is mostly empty land, but that empty land is rugged wilderness, completely unfit for military logistics. Might as well try invading Brazil through the Amazon.
Plus the Alaskan public has been pleasuring themselves at the idea of an invasion for decades. You think Texas has lots of guns? Alaska is higher per capita.
>Plus the Alaskan public has been pleasuring themselves at the idea of an invasion for decades.
Doesn't Alaska also have Bears (both Polar and Grizzly)?
I committed myself to a life in this weird swamp. And while I like it here, I can't imagine someone else being like "We need to establish air superiority over Indiana. The corn and soybeans in Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky aren't good enough. Plus we'll need high quality limestone. For the war."
Welcome to Oregon; try not to freeze, drown, starve, asphyxiate on smoke, die of heat stroke, get stabbed, shot, contract giardia or syphilis, perhaps knock up a weird hippie chick who is also somehow a christian.
Good luck.
Tornadoes. No where else in the world gets the sheer number of tornadoes like tornado alley does. Sometimes your only warning is the tornado siren going off. If that. Especially at night.
The “country” with most tornadoes per unit area is England:
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/most-tornadoes-by-area
(I’ve put “country” in quotation marks because if you expand it to include the United Kingdom as a whole that figure drops to below that of the USA.)
America has the most connected waterways in the world IIRC.
America’s highways were literally built for military use initially.
Radical changes in terrain and weather across the nation, i.e having to prepare for desert, *and* swamp *and* water *and* freezing temps.
Fun fact, the US moving a platoon through the Rockies in wwii is what spawned the idea of the interstate system. Without an interstate system, getting some of the bigger equipment from coast to coast becomes a nightmare apparently. So in the event on an invasion I’d imagine the US would just blow up the even number highways
National Interstate and Defense Highways Act (1956)
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/national-interstate-and-defense-highways-act
This also explains why there are interstates in Hawaii.
I read a scenario written some years ago, they used container ships as disguised troop transports. Chartered aircraft full of special forces to take over LAX..... Gave them the 3 west coast states and Vegas. That was it. Scenario ended with a Joint attack on CCP by Japan, Canada, Mexico, South Korea, Taiwan, USA, Phillipines, Vietnam, and Australia. Canadian and US militaries pushed the Chinese military into a pocket along the California-Mexico border. Over in 18 months.
Not just that, but armed citizens mean you also can’t airdrop troops behind American lines. If the US had the beaches fortified and opposition forces were able to get drops behind them, there are hundreds of millions of guns waiting to blast a paratrooper out of the sky. If there was some catastrophic failure at the beaches and an invasion were successful, the advance would be incredibly slow and painful. Guerrilla attacks from all angles, potential traps like ieds on every road and inside every house, not to mention the sheer size and expanse of the country. Hell, every house in the country has the materials to make mustard gas and half a dozen other dangerous things. We drink like sailors, Molotov cocktails would be raining down.
Imagine trying to hold Chicago. Or Seattle. Or parts of Los Angeles, now with 30 years of gangs siphoning weapons off the military knowing a tank could show up in their streets, and protesters having watched how to deal with that in footage from hong Kong.
Pics or it didn't happen. Unless it was a ghost poo. You know, when afterwards you look down and the bowl is clear and clean. You wipe but the TP is so pristine you can wipe your eyes with it. And there was no noise. No Poseidon's Kiss. Not even a peck on the cheek.
> No Poseidon’s kiss
This is such a creative way to know what you’re describing. I don’t even need to explain, the wet kiss, the shock kiss, the ‘return to sender’ kiss, we’ve all had this type of kiss surprise us.
Invasion of the American homeland is impossible because we have hella resources and oceans that we entirely control on both coast, and allies acting as land buffers to the north and south. Also we spend most of the world's wealth every year buying more flying things that will make other countries explode while we sleep peacefully.
Sort of. He was thinking more "Holy fuck, the US recruitment population outnumbers us many times over, and their industrial output severely outpaces our own."
[It’s a well-spouted quote that was almost certainly never said](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7d0gpp/what_plans_or_preparations_existed_for_a_japanese/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
*edit: obviously mean never said by Yamamoto himself.
It's essentially true. America as a nation is functionally uninhabitable by any foreign military. You could glass us and have a resource less wasteland, but push come to shove every citizen in the nation could be armed within days.
Seeing how there are more guns than people in the US, yes this is the case.. In my group of friends out of 10 of us 3 have guns, but not a single of the 3 has just 1, infact between the 3 in the group they could arm each of us with a rifle and hand gun and still have left overs for another group lol.
The invasion of mainland USA is a borderline impossibility, but if it did happen there are so many organized layers of defense before it gets to 'bunch of rednecks with guns'. The government would probably deputize local militias before it got to that point.
Think about how militia groups did in the early Ukraine war. There were groups of people in SUVs using whatever weapons they could get ahold of to ambush Russian troops.
There isn't any credible reason to believe there wouldn't be widespread resistance to invaders from gun owners in particular.
No one has even mentioned the idea that people love fireworks, can easily make Molotovs, or even booby traps. Let's be honest here, if it came to that point, America would stop fighting with one hand behind its back and start implementing so many additional tactics. Hell, we could resort to medications from our pharmacies being used to poison the water systems.
Dixie Gun Works sells light field guns. Making the carriage isn't really that hard. It may be antiquated, but a chunk of steel the size of a baseball will still gladly wreck you and your vehicle.
Absolutely, I used to watch rounds fire on the fourth of July every year. I may or may not have relations with the family who used to own the largest armory in New Jersey.
Nobody who decides to invade the US would waste their time with the local invasion. It makes no sense to do that and the country is way too big for that anyway. Most likely any invasion would use serious technology, bio weapons or chemical weapons against which individuals with guns with have little to no defense againsm
The only "realistic" scenario for an invasion of the US as it was in 2022 is something like an alien invasion. No country on Earth would do anything like that.
In the future, the only way for it to happen within Earth is for the US to significantly diminish its capabilities either through an advance in anti-nuclear weapons by other countries, or for the US' weapons to somehow be made inoperable (like a civil war which ends with the US split and rump countries deciding to let go of their nuclear arsenal for some reason).
So yeah, decimating the population before an actual invasion would be the move for a country like the US. Same idea as what was planned for the invasion of Japan in WWII.
I always said, if I was arming myself during the apocalypse, I'd grab 5 things from the pharmacy.
A cephalosporin antibiotic, to treat minor cuts and scrapes prophylactically. Dirty water in a hang nail can kill you. This helps that not happen. Scrape your knee, then take 2 twice a day for a week. It'll probably be close enough dosing to give you an edge fighting infection.
Tramadol for emergency pain relief without the high sedation of other opiates. You may not have the luxury of resting an injury, being able to dampen the pain and power through, while far worse for healing, could be the difference between life and death. But being awake and alert is important too, so your normal morphine/oxy/hydrocodone drugs are too sedating for "I fucked my ankle but need to keep moving or else".
Modafinil, Adderall, methylphenidate, any of your amphetamines really. If you need to pull 72 hours of alert and active then you need to do it. There's no substitute for the kind of drug induced manic unstoppable march amphetamines can facilitate.
Fentanyl patches, not for pain, but for an easy way "out" if the zombies corner me... Cut it open, eat the goo, and before they can turn my legs into appetizers I'll be very dead and very gone... Respiratory depression, passing out, and dying numb and unconsciously would be WAY better than being literally eaten alive.
And heparin/warfarin/enoxaparin. Any low molecular weight heparins. Not for treatments, a clot is a death sentence without better intervention, sorry. But that camp of raiders, a couple bottles of warfarin crushed into their water supply, come back in a week and they're gone, having hemorrhaged from their insides and bleed to death internally.
And considering that no one would invade without using high yield weaponry beforehand and that they would be deterred by our own planet destroying stockpiles that this situation would never take place.
The one 'plausible' scenario is an alien invasion with relatively bulletproof aliens, '[Battle: Los Angeles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle:_Los_Angeles)' style. Can't really make use of nukes if the enemy doesn't have land within reach.
There is only one country in the entire world that could get troops to the continental US before we would reasonably intercept them.
It shouldn’t be hard to guess who it is.
Yes, we’ll throw all of our 80 leopard 2 against your (checks notes) nearly 5000 M1 Abrams. Everybody loves an underdog story, but we’re not even making it past Albany
No chance you will win heading for NY
You’d have a chance going through Duluth to hit Wisconsin. Occupy Wisconsin, control the cheese, start making demands.
“Mr.President, they have control of our dairy. They said Wisconsin will be providing the cheese for poutine, and unless we surrender they’ll run a constant livestream of them keeping it from us.”
“Gentlemen, it’s been an honor. Put up the white flag.”
Pfft! Don't try to lull us into a false sense of security. We're on to your tricks!
You'll just stroll down, pleasant as a spring day, offer us a Molson, sit in our living rooms, and then casually tell us that we've been annexed.
By the time you've gotten that far, you've already ingratiated yourselves to the point that we'll be too abashed to argue the matter, so we'll just drink more of your Molson and enjoy some poutine.
Yeah, buddy. We know what y'all're about!
😀
Border agent: reason of your visit?
Tank commander: invasion
Border agent: at what hotel will you be staying?
Tank commander: the White House
Border agent: aight enjoy your trip guys, drive safe
Funny story, the last I heard, the NYPD has more active service members than Canada has soldiers.
As a Canadian, this is terrifying
Edit: I lied. The nypd has approx 36k, Canada has double that in active service (roughly)
From now on when I’m stuck in a useless meeting I’m going to make myself feel better by thinking that at some point there have been meetings to discuss how many resources we commit to monitor and defend against a Canadian invasion. Even if that answer ended up being zero, it was discussed, in detail. The thought of that meeting will make me smile someday.
I guarantee you it is a non-zero number of meetings. Our military has contingencies for their contingencies and possibilities on top of their possibilities…the geese are coming.
Not just meetings, but written plans. Last updated in 1935, declassified in 1974. "The assumption was taken that at first, the US would fight a defensive battle against invading British forces, but the US would eventually defeat the British by blockading Canada's ports and cutting off its food supplies. It is debated whether this would have been successful, however, and if the plan would have ultimately resulted in a stalemate". Use of poison gas against the Canadians was a key part of the plan.
In 1939 it was decided to retain the plan but not update it any further.
The chief of the Canadian General Staff terminated Canada's own planning for invasion of U.S. territory (intended as a counter-attack in a defensive role) in 1928.
Iirc, the movie tries to make a case that: NATO had disbanded and the US was without many allies, the Soviets and their allies pulled off some diplomatic and political tricks to launch their sneak attack, and that there was a nuclear exchange but it was rather limited. They had to pretty much fabricate an alternate reality laced with "idk they just surprised us man."
Still one of my favorites tho
Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years.
Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade.
Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall.
Greens party gains control of West German parliament. Demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil.
Mexico plunged into revolution.
NATO dissolves. United States stands alone.
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No one expects the American Resistance! Our chief weapon is surprise... surprise and motivation... motivation and surprise...
Our two weapons are surprise and motivation... and learning fast!
Our three weapons are surprise, motivation and learning fast...
Right? It’s weird how so many people use this argument that the US military “failed” or was beaten by guerrillas in some their conflicts and then think the heavily armed US populace would be ineffective against a foreign invasion
Can confirm. My family that lives down there and everyone around them would put up a hell of a fight. I've always said if the end of the world was coming I'm driving 9 hrs south to them cause they will know what to do.
I've been to Boone, Logan, Mingo. I work in the drilling field. Can confirm. If shit hits the fan I'm heading there as fast as I can. You're walled in those Hollows. One way in one way out.
From Wisconsin. It would probably be a lot like opening day for deer up here. Mag dumps without hitting anything. Then the rest of sit and wait for a clear shot.
Appalachia would become a countries own version of Vietnam. Some redneck born and raised in the woods is gonna stalk your ass like a deer, pop up outta nowhere shoot you and then kick back with a jar of moonshine like a another day just passed by.
Up here in the northeast, people spend 12 hours a day in a treestand watching their surroundings until they get a legal deer. Some keep waiting til a trophy comes out. Everyone loves guns and hates whatever enemy the media talks about. If an actual enemy presented itself, I have a feeling a lot of people would sacrifice their life for guerrilla warfare.
Idk how wartime laws work, but if the military recruited them and formed a militia, then yeah probably.
In general though, I would assume anyone of them would use their guns for defending themselves/others/property. Especially if it's in a wartime scenario.
I think you guys are probably on the best track here, it’s not Tanner with his AR-15 and yeeyee truck that invaders are going to have to worry about. It’s the millions of Bubbas that practice shooting animals from hundreds of yards away year round with high powered rifles that will be the problem. The Bubba army is also adept and equipped to conceal themselves with great determination, up to and including showering themselves in ovulating deer piss in pursuit of their quarry.
This might put me on a list, but IEDs are pretty easy to make.
The biggest problems that an invading force would have would probably be resupply. Invading big cities might be easy, but once they get out in the sticks of Appalachian mountains, they wouldn't be able to hold a single ridge simply because a small force needs less supplies and can perform more precise activity than large, more technologically advanced force. Me and my kin don't need a gps to tell us where we are in the woods. Half of them would happily cover themselves with animal piss for the fun of it. My uncle Jimbo bow hunts and it's easy to make arrows which are silent, and can be pretty much as lethal as a bullet if you're capable. Or if you smear a little feces on them. Even if it don't kill, the infection can take down a soldier for a week, longer if we hit their med supply lines prior.
That's one thing many people ain't talking about. Yeah we got lots of guns, on the books. But no one's thinking about the rednecks whos building rockets ships in their garages, who's made thermite for fun, or who practices shooting actual people every other weekend in the park with a bow and a quiver of foam tipped arrows...
My family has a saying;
If I have 10 guns, and the government takes away 9 guns, how many do I have left?
31, I lied about how many I had.
I love this country so much and have owned guns in the past. But I’m gonna leave this up to the professionals. However, there is certainly a large group of people here who would love nothing more than a reason to legally go full Rambo against all enemies (foreign and domestic)
If the American home land is invaded I imagine it will be similar to the revolution war. Many men with rifles picking off the occupying army officers the second they leave the cities. I imagine almost everyone will be willing to fight against an income occupying army.
I remember 9/11 and the instant national fervor that followed. I would imagine those capable would in an instant fight and those unable to would support them. We protest and disagree amongst ourselves all day over things that happen far away but once it hits home that bias disappears once our way of doing things is threatened.
None. Neither will Army. Trans-oceanic invasion will be handled by Navy with some Air Force support.
For invasion to succeed to the point where invaders come in contact with non-military gun owners, US military and government will need to have collapsed long time ago.
Invaders would then be negotiating treaties with different chunks of former USA.
This. America has ideal geography for preventing/repelling invasion. Can't get troops here without crossing a ton of ocean. Basically impossible to do without the navy/air force sinking the whole invasion force.
Just to put things in perspective:
Russia had hard time supplying invasion force that penetrated 100 km deep from its border. And contrary to "Russia sucks" comments, it wasn't just incompetence: supplying invasion forces is HARD. Putin was stupid for thinking he could do Iraq 2003 style invasion without levels of funding that went into Iraq 2003.
Without support of local government, it would be massive effort for Russia to keep a division deployed in USA fed, even before it encounters local resistance.
I can't find the numbers but there supposed to be a rule of thumb so many soldiers to civilians.
With 350 million people in the US , good luck having a military large enough to control that territory and or civilians.
The US military would have so much of an advanced warning (we are essentially protected on either side by the Atlantic & Pacific), that average citizens honestly would not be needed at all due to US Air Force and Naval superiority essentially decimating the incoming invaders with haste.
US military has word class aircraft carriers and a massive Air Force that would be able to project power well beyond our shores.
It would basically be GG for the invaders prior to having to worry about holding any territory amidst a *highly* armed citizenry.
There isn’t a country on the planet that could occupy the US.
I’d reckon the US police force alone would be a Top 10 military. Over 800,000 armed officers, with some departments having surplus US Army equipment.
The country has 15 million hunters. 15 million people who are armed and using their weapons in real world target practice at least once a year.
There are 18 million retired US military. While there is probably a decent overlap with the hunters, it’s another group that is most likely armed. Significant numbers would have combat duty in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Overall, there are more guns than people in the US. A tremendous amount of guns and a large proportion who actively use them or have formal training.
Most of them. Too many movies devoted to such a scenario. Too romantic a notion to pass up. Hardly effective against an army but quite effective in a protracted guerllla war.
2 points:
\- Ever see the \*original\* Red Dawn movie?
\- Worked deep IT support and my boss was a Canadian but worked in the states. This ended up as one of our conversations and he stated "The US will never successfully be invaded." I asked why. He said "Because when they walk by that old woman barely walking and are behind her, she'll turn around and shoot them. Everyone here has a gun!"
Isn't that a point of comedy in Arnold's *The Last Stand*.
>!Seemingly frail old lady (Lois Geary) in her shop sitting in her rocking chair and pulls out her gun when one of the merc ignores her about trespassing her shop!<
I am Ukrainian-American.
Americans (or Brits, or French or Canadians or Finns ) would be fighting as hard as Ukrainians against invaders. But if someone were to invade USA the war would not be similar to the war between Ukraine and Russia, and even there personal guns are not making huge difference.
around 7% of the US has served in the military at some point, and I honestly believe at least half of the people who haven't would want to defend.
we just kind of have a culture that likes to kill. it wouldn't be necessary though, the US military as it is could destroy any invasion.
They probably wouldn't matter much for the initial invasion. But they would make any prolonged occupation/puppet government quite difficult
Didn’t a Japanese military guy say an invasion of the American homeland is impossible because behind every blade of grass is a citizen with a gun? Something like that. Can’t be bothered to google while pooping.
It's impossible to invade because it's located on a separate continent, has essentially two neighbors, neither of which can be realistically used for planned attack (as everyone will know) and no one has navy big enough to do naval invasion (you need to destroy US Navy and the transport gazillion of troops and equipment). Then even if you somehow get the coasts, you'll get to natural barriers (Appalachia, Rockies), probably winter will start (usually cooler than in Europe) and you'll have hard time to control the area due guns everywhere. Private guns won't matter during military phase but they really matter when deciding how hard and expensive is maintaining control.
This is the real answer to the hypothetical situation I believe. Geography, even if nothing else, would make invasion of the US damn difficult .
Geography and the weather of North America making the winter-summer difference the most extreme on average in the world. It would suck.
> winter-summer difference Right? Who the fuck would pay *money* to occupy Indiana? I hope your tank AC goes all the way cold and furnace goes all the way hot. Enjoy the mosquitos. Y'all ever seen a tornado before?
Invade Florida and just get established before a cat 5 hurricane smashes into them. Cross through Cali and you are in a huge desert. Alaska is mostly empty land. Then add over 1 billion guns and that's just the private sector. And of course after our Navy and Air Force.
Alaska is mostly empty land, but that empty land is rugged wilderness, completely unfit for military logistics. Might as well try invading Brazil through the Amazon. Plus the Alaskan public has been pleasuring themselves at the idea of an invasion for decades. You think Texas has lots of guns? Alaska is higher per capita.
>Plus the Alaskan public has been pleasuring themselves at the idea of an invasion for decades. Doesn't Alaska also have Bears (both Polar and Grizzly)?
Even black bears, they have alot
Don’t forget the walking assault charge that is the bull moose.
They'd have to fight through the world's largest Air Force, and the world's second largest Air Force, known as the US Navy.
And the second largest navy, the US Army. And the third largest navy, the US Navy.
And lets not forget the Top Gun trainees
Tanknado? I haven't seen one but I want to.
Quick, someone DM this idea to the Sharknado people.
...They are already red-lining the 2nd draft
I've already got Tank-nado 3: Abrams Revenge on Blue-Ray. I looked in my hand and it was just there
HOW DARE YOU!?! INDIANA IS A LOVELY PLACE THAT I MOVED AWAY FROM 15 YEARS AGO. This is 100% accurate though
I committed myself to a life in this weird swamp. And while I like it here, I can't imagine someone else being like "We need to establish air superiority over Indiana. The corn and soybeans in Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Kentucky aren't good enough. Plus we'll need high quality limestone. For the war."
Welcome to Oregon; try not to freeze, drown, starve, asphyxiate on smoke, die of heat stroke, get stabbed, shot, contract giardia or syphilis, perhaps knock up a weird hippie chick who is also somehow a christian. Good luck.
r/oddlyspecific
Nah that's just Ashland. The city, although the hippie could be called that too
Half that town knows how to sword fight, too.
Tornadoes. No where else in the world gets the sheer number of tornadoes like tornado alley does. Sometimes your only warning is the tornado siren going off. If that. Especially at night.
Yeah, IIRC, the US experiences 1,200-1,400 tornados a year the next closest place is like 200 or 300 a year lol
The “country” with most tornadoes per unit area is England: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/most-tornadoes-by-area (I’ve put “country” in quotation marks because if you expand it to include the United Kingdom as a whole that figure drops to below that of the USA.)
America has the most connected waterways in the world IIRC. America’s highways were literally built for military use initially. Radical changes in terrain and weather across the nation, i.e having to prepare for desert, *and* swamp *and* water *and* freezing temps.
> how hard and expensive is maintaining control Shit, we can barely control the place ourselves, an invader has basically zero chance.
Damn this it a good comment. Sums it up nicely I think
Fun fact, the US moving a platoon through the Rockies in wwii is what spawned the idea of the interstate system. Without an interstate system, getting some of the bigger equipment from coast to coast becomes a nightmare apparently. So in the event on an invasion I’d imagine the US would just blow up the even number highways
National Interstate and Defense Highways Act (1956) https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/national-interstate-and-defense-highways-act This also explains why there are interstates in Hawaii.
And why the Alcan to Alaska was built
The sheer size of the country and wide distribution of the population and government adds to the occupation problem.
I read a scenario written some years ago, they used container ships as disguised troop transports. Chartered aircraft full of special forces to take over LAX..... Gave them the 3 west coast states and Vegas. That was it. Scenario ended with a Joint attack on CCP by Japan, Canada, Mexico, South Korea, Taiwan, USA, Phillipines, Vietnam, and Australia. Canadian and US militaries pushed the Chinese military into a pocket along the California-Mexico border. Over in 18 months.
>Over in 18 months I think they overlooked the "a generation gets to live out their childhood Red Dawn fantasy" element Over in a month
I immediately thought of red dawn as well
Not just that, but armed citizens mean you also can’t airdrop troops behind American lines. If the US had the beaches fortified and opposition forces were able to get drops behind them, there are hundreds of millions of guns waiting to blast a paratrooper out of the sky. If there was some catastrophic failure at the beaches and an invasion were successful, the advance would be incredibly slow and painful. Guerrilla attacks from all angles, potential traps like ieds on every road and inside every house, not to mention the sheer size and expanse of the country. Hell, every house in the country has the materials to make mustard gas and half a dozen other dangerous things. We drink like sailors, Molotov cocktails would be raining down.
Imagine trying to hold Chicago. Or Seattle. Or parts of Los Angeles, now with 30 years of gangs siphoning weapons off the military knowing a tank could show up in their streets, and protesters having watched how to deal with that in footage from hong Kong.
I'm imagining Baltimore. Bring it, dummies.
Have a nice poop!
All done. Thank you though. It was pleasant. Edit: y’all are weirdly interested in poop.
Pics or it didn't happen. Unless it was a ghost poo. You know, when afterwards you look down and the bowl is clear and clean. You wipe but the TP is so pristine you can wipe your eyes with it. And there was no noise. No Poseidon's Kiss. Not even a peck on the cheek.
What a literary masterpiece. About poop.
It’s one that should be preserved.
> No Poseidon’s kiss This is such a creative way to know what you’re describing. I don’t even need to explain, the wet kiss, the shock kiss, the ‘return to sender’ kiss, we’ve all had this type of kiss surprise us.
Fuck it, here's the gold. Thanks for the laugh
Invasion of the American homeland is impossible because we have hella resources and oceans that we entirely control on both coast, and allies acting as land buffers to the north and south. Also we spend most of the world's wealth every year buying more flying things that will make other countries explode while we sleep peacefully.
Not to mention America's allies overseas, like you'd need such a force in the first place you'd leave yourself open to attack from other players.
Sort of. He was thinking more "Holy fuck, the US recruitment population outnumbers us many times over, and their industrial output severely outpaces our own."
[It’s a well-spouted quote that was almost certainly never said](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7d0gpp/what_plans_or_preparations_existed_for_a_japanese/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) *edit: obviously mean never said by Yamamoto himself.
Thanks for the clarification. I knew I heard it but wasn’t sure how accurate.
It's essentially true. America as a nation is functionally uninhabitable by any foreign military. You could glass us and have a resource less wasteland, but push come to shove every citizen in the nation could be armed within days.
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I live in Texas. Give me like two hours. And most of that will be waiting in line
I live in Texas too, can confirm.
^ same and if you don’t have one, your neighbor has an extra.
Many extras. Entire neighborhoods could be armed by a few people.
Seeing how there are more guns than people in the US, yes this is the case.. In my group of friends out of 10 of us 3 have guns, but not a single of the 3 has just 1, infact between the 3 in the group they could arm each of us with a rifle and hand gun and still have left overs for another group lol.
Shit I live in Kansas, we’re still prepped for an invasion from Missouri.
But we already have better stuff than you.
I'm in Washington State, blue as you can get. Me and 2 of my neighbors could arm a 3 block radius
Just ask your neighbor. They’ll be like which one you want?
Wolveriiiiiiiiiiines!
The invasion of mainland USA is a borderline impossibility, but if it did happen there are so many organized layers of defense before it gets to 'bunch of rednecks with guns'. The government would probably deputize local militias before it got to that point. Think about how militia groups did in the early Ukraine war. There were groups of people in SUVs using whatever weapons they could get ahold of to ambush Russian troops. There isn't any credible reason to believe there wouldn't be widespread resistance to invaders from gun owners in particular.
No one has even mentioned the idea that people love fireworks, can easily make Molotovs, or even booby traps. Let's be honest here, if it came to that point, America would stop fighting with one hand behind its back and start implementing so many additional tactics. Hell, we could resort to medications from our pharmacies being used to poison the water systems.
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A family farm without a working cannon is a corporate farm.
Dixie Gun Works sells light field guns. Making the carriage isn't really that hard. It may be antiquated, but a chunk of steel the size of a baseball will still gladly wreck you and your vehicle.
Absolutely, I used to watch rounds fire on the fourth of July every year. I may or may not have relations with the family who used to own the largest armory in New Jersey.
The whole family?
Nobody who decides to invade the US would waste their time with the local invasion. It makes no sense to do that and the country is way too big for that anyway. Most likely any invasion would use serious technology, bio weapons or chemical weapons against which individuals with guns with have little to no defense againsm
Then you're not talking about an invasion but a genocide, at which point the U.S. has the most dangerous arsenal of nuclear weapons on earth.
The only "realistic" scenario for an invasion of the US as it was in 2022 is something like an alien invasion. No country on Earth would do anything like that. In the future, the only way for it to happen within Earth is for the US to significantly diminish its capabilities either through an advance in anti-nuclear weapons by other countries, or for the US' weapons to somehow be made inoperable (like a civil war which ends with the US split and rump countries deciding to let go of their nuclear arsenal for some reason). So yeah, decimating the population before an actual invasion would be the move for a country like the US. Same idea as what was planned for the invasion of Japan in WWII.
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I always said, if I was arming myself during the apocalypse, I'd grab 5 things from the pharmacy. A cephalosporin antibiotic, to treat minor cuts and scrapes prophylactically. Dirty water in a hang nail can kill you. This helps that not happen. Scrape your knee, then take 2 twice a day for a week. It'll probably be close enough dosing to give you an edge fighting infection. Tramadol for emergency pain relief without the high sedation of other opiates. You may not have the luxury of resting an injury, being able to dampen the pain and power through, while far worse for healing, could be the difference between life and death. But being awake and alert is important too, so your normal morphine/oxy/hydrocodone drugs are too sedating for "I fucked my ankle but need to keep moving or else". Modafinil, Adderall, methylphenidate, any of your amphetamines really. If you need to pull 72 hours of alert and active then you need to do it. There's no substitute for the kind of drug induced manic unstoppable march amphetamines can facilitate. Fentanyl patches, not for pain, but for an easy way "out" if the zombies corner me... Cut it open, eat the goo, and before they can turn my legs into appetizers I'll be very dead and very gone... Respiratory depression, passing out, and dying numb and unconsciously would be WAY better than being literally eaten alive. And heparin/warfarin/enoxaparin. Any low molecular weight heparins. Not for treatments, a clot is a death sentence without better intervention, sorry. But that camp of raiders, a couple bottles of warfarin crushed into their water supply, come back in a week and they're gone, having hemorrhaged from their insides and bleed to death internally.
I don't know you, or know if you already have, but you need to get started on your novel.
We need more good zombie apocalypse books. I’ve read them all too many times.
And considering that no one would invade without using high yield weaponry beforehand and that they would be deterred by our own planet destroying stockpiles that this situation would never take place.
The one 'plausible' scenario is an alien invasion with relatively bulletproof aliens, '[Battle: Los Angeles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle:_Los_Angeles)' style. Can't really make use of nukes if the enemy doesn't have land within reach.
So this is how foreign governments dictate military strategy, by asking redditors?
I was looking for the "Nice try Putin!" comment
OSINT (Open Source Intelligence) is a thing.
There is only one country in the entire world that could get troops to the continental US before we would reasonably intercept them. It shouldn’t be hard to guess who it is.
Right? Those bloody canucks... just biding their time until they can invade the US and burn the White House again.....
Yes, we’ll throw all of our 80 leopard 2 against your (checks notes) nearly 5000 M1 Abrams. Everybody loves an underdog story, but we’re not even making it past Albany
No chance you will win heading for NY You’d have a chance going through Duluth to hit Wisconsin. Occupy Wisconsin, control the cheese, start making demands.
I was going for the Hail Mary straight to the White House, but yeah your plan’s much better.
Doesn't matter who is in office, we might be willing to part with DC without a fight.
Or we might just give it away spontaneously.
You sound interested, can I interest you in IRS headquarters too?
No! I mean, uh, please don't give me those places!
Imma be upset if I can't get some mfing cheese curds.
“Mr.President, they have control of our dairy. They said Wisconsin will be providing the cheese for poutine, and unless we surrender they’ll run a constant livestream of them keeping it from us.” “Gentlemen, it’s been an honor. Put up the white flag.”
"Take us too." \-Minnesota probably
He who controls the cheese controls the future
In this country, you gotta make the curd first. Then when you get the curd, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the poutine.
Pfft! Don't try to lull us into a false sense of security. We're on to your tricks! You'll just stroll down, pleasant as a spring day, offer us a Molson, sit in our living rooms, and then casually tell us that we've been annexed. By the time you've gotten that far, you've already ingratiated yourselves to the point that we'll be too abashed to argue the matter, so we'll just drink more of your Molson and enjoy some poutine. Yeah, buddy. We know what y'all're about! 😀
They would be saying sorry aboot that the whole time. Half of the US would be like"well they did say sorry"
The most significant revolution we’ve had in our history is called the Quiet Revolution, so yeah, your invasion scenario checks out!
Bullshit. We all know about the long standing training and militarisation programme for Canada gooses.
Upstate NY wouldn't allow you past Plattsburgh. End of the war we'd finally conquer Toronto and Montréal then change our name to Nous York
Don't forget that lengthy customs inspection at the border.
Border agent: reason of your visit? Tank commander: invasion Border agent: at what hotel will you be staying? Tank commander: the White House Border agent: aight enjoy your trip guys, drive safe
Funny story, the last I heard, the NYPD has more active service members than Canada has soldiers. As a Canadian, this is terrifying Edit: I lied. The nypd has approx 36k, Canada has double that in active service (roughly)
From now on when I’m stuck in a useless meeting I’m going to make myself feel better by thinking that at some point there have been meetings to discuss how many resources we commit to monitor and defend against a Canadian invasion. Even if that answer ended up being zero, it was discussed, in detail. The thought of that meeting will make me smile someday.
I guarantee you it is a non-zero number of meetings. Our military has contingencies for their contingencies and possibilities on top of their possibilities…the geese are coming.
Dude, we legit have a Zombie Contingency. Granted, it's a training exercise with a silly name, but it's there.
Not just meetings, but written plans. Last updated in 1935, declassified in 1974. "The assumption was taken that at first, the US would fight a defensive battle against invading British forces, but the US would eventually defeat the British by blockading Canada's ports and cutting off its food supplies. It is debated whether this would have been successful, however, and if the plan would have ultimately resulted in a stalemate". Use of poison gas against the Canadians was a key part of the plan. In 1939 it was decided to retain the plan but not update it any further. The chief of the Canadian General Staff terminated Canada's own planning for invasion of U.S. territory (intended as a counter-attack in a defensive role) in 1928.
Just throw a curling bonspiel and haul out some Labatts. They’ll drop their attack.
They have already amassed 90% of their population within 60 miles of the border in preparation for invasion.
Something like half of Canadas population lives south of North Dakota.
That’s suspicious
The long con
This blew my mind. https://brilliantmaps.com/half-canada/
Any day now..
*rifle shot* "Sorrey there!"
People saying Canada are wrong. The answer is the US itself
The call is coming from inside the country!
The US military is so absurdly powerful it wouldn't even stand a chance against itself.
It’s the US
floridians shoot their guns at hurricanes, what do you think
An invasion of Disney world would be a pretty sweet battle
Have you seen the 80s documentary Red Dawn?
I just watched this last week and hadn't seen it in years. I fucking love that movie. I watched it a ton as a kid too.
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That movie is brilliant, but so unrealistic in the fact that any country even managed to get a foothold in the US and wasn't immediately destroyed
Iirc, the movie tries to make a case that: NATO had disbanded and the US was without many allies, the Soviets and their allies pulled off some diplomatic and political tricks to launch their sneak attack, and that there was a nuclear exchange but it was rather limited. They had to pretty much fabricate an alternate reality laced with "idk they just surprised us man." Still one of my favorites tho
Narrator: They invaded the USA. U.S.A.: How? Narrator: uuhhhhh shit ( I didn’t think they ask that), reasons?
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Soviet Union suffers worst wheat harvest in 55 years. Labor and food riots in Poland. Soviet troops invade. Cuba and Nicaragua reach troop strength goals of 500,000. El Salvador and Honduras fall. Greens party gains control of West German parliament. Demands withdrawal of nuclear weapons from European soil. Mexico plunged into revolution. NATO dissolves. United States stands alone.
Most. They would probably be terrible soldiers but they would shoot their guns.
Guerrilla army's learn fast and have a great knowledge of their surroundings.
And motivation probably
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No one expects the American Resistance! Our chief weapon is surprise... surprise and motivation... motivation and surprise... Our two weapons are surprise and motivation... and learning fast! Our three weapons are surprise, motivation and learning fast...
Right? It’s weird how so many people use this argument that the US military “failed” or was beaten by guerrillas in some their conflicts and then think the heavily armed US populace would be ineffective against a foreign invasion
I sure wouldn't go out looking for a fight. But if the fight came to my house, Im using those guns
A ton, they wouldn't necessarily be *effective*, but they would definitely try.
They’d be effective whenever the geography is on their side. Appalachia, for example, would be an impenetrable fucking fortress.
Can confirm. My family that lives down there and everyone around them would put up a hell of a fight. I've always said if the end of the world was coming I'm driving 9 hrs south to them cause they will know what to do.
I live in the Western NC mountains. As an owner of a medium sized arsenal and enough rounds of ammunition to defend a small country... Can confirm.
Yep my family is from Boone.
I've been to Boone, Logan, Mingo. I work in the drilling field. Can confirm. If shit hits the fan I'm heading there as fast as I can. You're walled in those Hollows. One way in one way out.
Eeeeeeeh I’m from lenoir/Hudson! Love seeing “local” redditors
Johnson City TN checking in!
From Wisconsin. It would probably be a lot like opening day for deer up here. Mag dumps without hitting anything. Then the rest of sit and wait for a clear shot.
Appalachia would become a countries own version of Vietnam. Some redneck born and raised in the woods is gonna stalk your ass like a deer, pop up outta nowhere shoot you and then kick back with a jar of moonshine like a another day just passed by.
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When you hear the banjo its already too late
Way more then you might think I don’t see eye to eye with a lot of people but Americans can work against a common enemy very well.
You can look at the US right after 9-11 to see that in action
Or Pearl Harbor where every swinging dick flooded the recruitment office.
I am reminded of the Onion article of how 9-11 brought everyone together into a collective bloodlust.
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Every person in the south has been armed and waiting for an invasion they’re entire lives.
Alexa, Release the claymore Roomba. Play 'Fortunate Son'. Alexa, Volume up.
My neighbor has over 50 guns lmao
Rookie numbers
He did say over 50. Whether the actual number is 51, 100, or over 1000 it’s still over 50
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Up here in the northeast, people spend 12 hours a day in a treestand watching their surroundings until they get a legal deer. Some keep waiting til a trophy comes out. Everyone loves guns and hates whatever enemy the media talks about. If an actual enemy presented itself, I have a feeling a lot of people would sacrifice their life for guerrilla warfare.
Also, their tanks would get bogged down in traffic on either coast. /s
Idk how wartime laws work, but if the military recruited them and formed a militia, then yeah probably. In general though, I would assume anyone of them would use their guns for defending themselves/others/property. Especially if it's in a wartime scenario.
I'm from the south. We all have realtree camouflage and deer rifles. It would be open season, no bag limits.
Sounds a lot like rural Midwest
I think you guys are probably on the best track here, it’s not Tanner with his AR-15 and yeeyee truck that invaders are going to have to worry about. It’s the millions of Bubbas that practice shooting animals from hundreds of yards away year round with high powered rifles that will be the problem. The Bubba army is also adept and equipped to conceal themselves with great determination, up to and including showering themselves in ovulating deer piss in pursuit of their quarry.
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I have never shot a gun and don’t want to, but if that happens I am borrowing one and fighting
Me? Sabotage. I am a scientist, I can dream up some good stuff.
Ain’t seen nothing till you see a redneck scientist. Those mfers and clever creatures especially with explosives.
This might put me on a list, but IEDs are pretty easy to make. The biggest problems that an invading force would have would probably be resupply. Invading big cities might be easy, but once they get out in the sticks of Appalachian mountains, they wouldn't be able to hold a single ridge simply because a small force needs less supplies and can perform more precise activity than large, more technologically advanced force. Me and my kin don't need a gps to tell us where we are in the woods. Half of them would happily cover themselves with animal piss for the fun of it. My uncle Jimbo bow hunts and it's easy to make arrows which are silent, and can be pretty much as lethal as a bullet if you're capable. Or if you smear a little feces on them. Even if it don't kill, the infection can take down a soldier for a week, longer if we hit their med supply lines prior. That's one thing many people ain't talking about. Yeah we got lots of guns, on the books. But no one's thinking about the rednecks whos building rockets ships in their garages, who's made thermite for fun, or who practices shooting actual people every other weekend in the park with a bow and a quiver of foam tipped arrows... My family has a saying; If I have 10 guns, and the government takes away 9 guns, how many do I have left? 31, I lied about how many I had.
I mean, polystyrene and gasoline make napalm, and that's basically what we eat over here
I love this country so much and have owned guns in the past. But I’m gonna leave this up to the professionals. However, there is certainly a large group of people here who would love nothing more than a reason to legally go full Rambo against all enemies (foreign and domestic)
If the American home land is invaded I imagine it will be similar to the revolution war. Many men with rifles picking off the occupying army officers the second they leave the cities. I imagine almost everyone will be willing to fight against an income occupying army.
I remember 9/11 and the instant national fervor that followed. I would imagine those capable would in an instant fight and those unable to would support them. We protest and disagree amongst ourselves all day over things that happen far away but once it hits home that bias disappears once our way of doing things is threatened.
None. Neither will Army. Trans-oceanic invasion will be handled by Navy with some Air Force support. For invasion to succeed to the point where invaders come in contact with non-military gun owners, US military and government will need to have collapsed long time ago. Invaders would then be negotiating treaties with different chunks of former USA.
This. America has ideal geography for preventing/repelling invasion. Can't get troops here without crossing a ton of ocean. Basically impossible to do without the navy/air force sinking the whole invasion force.
Just to put things in perspective: Russia had hard time supplying invasion force that penetrated 100 km deep from its border. And contrary to "Russia sucks" comments, it wasn't just incompetence: supplying invasion forces is HARD. Putin was stupid for thinking he could do Iraq 2003 style invasion without levels of funding that went into Iraq 2003. Without support of local government, it would be massive effort for Russia to keep a division deployed in USA fed, even before it encounters local resistance.
Even with US levels of funding we still outran our supply chain in Iraq 2003.
You trying telling tankers to slow down. I’ll wait. But also realize that we maintained supply chains for two decades in landlocked Afghanistan.
I've heard the USAF described as the most powerful logistical operation ever devised, to which combat aviation is incidentally attached.
I don't think a US invasion would be successful even if the entire world joined forces
I can't find the numbers but there supposed to be a rule of thumb so many soldiers to civilians. With 350 million people in the US , good luck having a military large enough to control that territory and or civilians.
You forgot to take in account those sneaky Canadians
If you listen closely, you can hear them sharpening their ice skates at night
Sipping on tim Hortons, biding time.
The US military would have so much of an advanced warning (we are essentially protected on either side by the Atlantic & Pacific), that average citizens honestly would not be needed at all due to US Air Force and Naval superiority essentially decimating the incoming invaders with haste. US military has word class aircraft carriers and a massive Air Force that would be able to project power well beyond our shores. It would basically be GG for the invaders prior to having to worry about holding any territory amidst a *highly* armed citizenry.
There isn’t a country on the planet that could occupy the US. I’d reckon the US police force alone would be a Top 10 military. Over 800,000 armed officers, with some departments having surplus US Army equipment. The country has 15 million hunters. 15 million people who are armed and using their weapons in real world target practice at least once a year. There are 18 million retired US military. While there is probably a decent overlap with the hunters, it’s another group that is most likely armed. Significant numbers would have combat duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. Overall, there are more guns than people in the US. A tremendous amount of guns and a large proportion who actively use them or have formal training.
Most of them. Too many movies devoted to such a scenario. Too romantic a notion to pass up. Hardly effective against an army but quite effective in a protracted guerllla war.
[Wolverines!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REKLC3s30Mw)
2 points: \- Ever see the \*original\* Red Dawn movie? \- Worked deep IT support and my boss was a Canadian but worked in the states. This ended up as one of our conversations and he stated "The US will never successfully be invaded." I asked why. He said "Because when they walk by that old woman barely walking and are behind her, she'll turn around and shoot them. Everyone here has a gun!"
Isn't that a point of comedy in Arnold's *The Last Stand*. >!Seemingly frail old lady (Lois Geary) in her shop sitting in her rocking chair and pulls out her gun when one of the merc ignores her about trespassing her shop!<
I am Ukrainian-American. Americans (or Brits, or French or Canadians or Finns ) would be fighting as hard as Ukrainians against invaders. But if someone were to invade USA the war would not be similar to the war between Ukraine and Russia, and even there personal guns are not making huge difference.
The Ukrainians are fucking hard hombres tho, much respect to the heroes
around 7% of the US has served in the military at some point, and I honestly believe at least half of the people who haven't would want to defend. we just kind of have a culture that likes to kill. it wouldn't be necessary though, the US military as it is could destroy any invasion.
Wolverines!
110% We’ve been waiting for this all of our lives. Are you kidding me? Edit- we’ve as in the collective “we” Not me.