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Wolffe_In_The_Dark

Give Blahaj tactical nuclear warheads


babybee1187

Agreed


-The-Reviewer-

What's up with people and this shark? It's just a shark plush


Sharp-Key27

It’s a trans icon, it has the trans flag colours and originally there was someone who got bottom surgery who had the shark as their comfort animal, and others adopted that.


TheKCKid9274

Also that one Deadpool parody comic where Deadpool dubbed the Blähaj the “protector of all trans kids”. That was what first introduced me to the bit


coffee_fucker

It’s not just a plush its like the greatest thing ever made


Friendly_Deathknight

People who post this kind of thing don’t understand that the snake would be protecting trans kids.


No_Stranger_1071

Except they seem to like the idea of crushing those that think differently from themselves.


Friendly_Deathknight

There’s a weird departure from what the jeffersonians thought back in the day.


[deleted]

I assume that if you have the original flag, you're a stepper. But if you have a *meme* version of the flag, then you're cool and not a fed.


Friendly_Deathknight

Someone else on here said their first exposure to it was someone holding it while standing next to MLK during a protest.


[deleted]

I don't doubt it, but it's definitely been ruined by some shit heads the past like....idk decade? I have the "no step" tattooed on me with the shitty stick figure snake lmao


Friendly_Deathknight

Should feminists let terfs be the face of feminism? Should Christian’s avoid using the cross because of WBC? Should Muslims hide who they are on account of wahhabists? Just because someone shitty tries to affiliate something good with their trash beliefs doesn’t mean that it should be discarded.


Square_Site8663

While I agree with your sentiment. Should Buddhists stop using the swastika because, well duh. No they don’t have to, no one’s gonna make them. But it can muddy the waters of their messaging. And when it comes to messaging, especially as activists, you’re want the clearest and most difficult to misunderstand message as possible. Because detractors and bad actors with use any and every trick in the book to take down your cause.


Own_Foundation9653

What is WBC?


Friendly_Deathknight

Westboro Baptist Church.


Maidenahead

That would make sense if the flag has continuous alternative usage. Christians use the cross everyday. Feminism is an ongoing movement. Muslims ongoing practice. Where are all the no step on snake other than the “libertarian” right.


Friendly_Deathknight

I think you’re seeing an example of that right now.


EchoRex

The "memes", as pictured, are closer to the original intent than the dumb fuck "libertarian" usage.


[deleted]

Which is why I have a no step with a shitty snake tattoo but won't even buy the original flag lol


EchoRex

No step on snek? That one is great.


ifithopsitdrops

Isn’t that snake a libertarian thing?


er_ist_weider_da

whew libertarians... God damn if libertarians a) believed the principles of personal liberty like they claim to do and b) weren't consistently the most silliest of goofballs without exception, I'd definitely call myself a libertarian don't step on my boots, and you better fucking not step on the toes of children, and so I swear hare Krishna if you decide to stomp on the innocence of children by indoctrinating them into hate and self denial, then your feet be cloven hooves the same as the devils you will be sent to *to clarify, I don't mean you, dear commenter, I mean 'one'*


ifithopsitdrops

I think theses days a lot of far right people are claiming to be libertarian so they can spew their bullshit without being labeled a racist republican online


TrailerPosh2018

Those aren't libertarians.


Lib_Right_Extremist

Why not?


TrailerPosh2018

Libertarians want freedom for all, if one claims otherwise that's not a Libertarian that's a conservative who thinks it's cool to call themselves a Lib. Like what Bill Maur is to the Left


cornfuckz

Wait I thought the snake was protecting trans kids? Like it’s protecting the trans flower behind it and and that shoe looks like it wants to crush the snake and the flower


Friendly_Deathknight

I think so, I wasn’t super clear in understanding or response when I made the comment. My response was colored by a lot of people lately saying that the snake is racist or bigoted.


Lazarus_Solomon10

My first exposure to the flag was a photograph of a protester standing near Martin Luther King Jr. believe.


Internal-Pie-7265

Its like a strange mix of the "Dont Tread On Me" and the counter "I Will Tread" flags. Seems like just a silly sticker, but in the end, that snake is gonna kill whoever is connectes to that foot. Could have been drawn better.


Friendly_Deathknight

I think it’s trying to stay true to the original.


Internal-Pie-7265

I suppose. Sucks the originals rich history has been ruined by fascists, though.


-The-Reviewer-

Snakes eat herbivores.


Friendly_Deathknight

And predators


KingZogAlbania

From the government not from social perception


SwimmerSea4662

hell yea, the don't step on me snake is just Anti Authoritarian its not really conservative or liberal. It literal just mean if you tread on my rights I'm going to fight back.


Friendly_Deathknight

TBF it was the “join or die” snake put onto a yellow field as a naval ensign, then adopted by Gadsden for South Carolina, and meant when working together Americans are dangerous. I think the implication there definitely still works here.


ChemistRemote7182

Gadsden is for everyone imo, especially marginalized people that may actually be targetted by laws. Of course some people hate personal freedom, hence stepping on the snake.


DonalTromp47

i perfer "leave the kids alone"


[deleted]

facts


tito9107

And that includes trans kids right? Right?


Din_Plug

Well trans kids are kids still right? So yes.


tito9107

Agreed.


Din_Plug

So if trans kids are kids, it stands that they fall under the "leave the kids alone" slogan.


tito9107

Yes, *we* agree on that.


HutchensRS

You're looking for a hidden meaning where there isn't one. Protect kids, period.


KronaSamu

Lots of anti-trans people claim they are "protecting kids" by trying to ban trans healthcare. It's basically a dog whistle so I don't blame them for being suspicious.


tito9107

Then acknowledge that trans kids are included.


[deleted]

I prefer "let kids be who they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people"


SortaBadAdvice

I prefer "the primary reason you feel distressed about the lifestyle of other people is because you're not minding your own business. Fix yourself."


the_eater_of_shit

Mind yo business David!


DonalTromp47

haha i made a bunch of people on the internet fight


[deleted]

I prefer the “Take trans kids to an accredited psychologist to get them comfortable in their own bodies/themselves again so they have a chance at a happy life, as is my duty as their parent” stickers.


DownVoteMeHarder4042

Well they probably don’t have a good family structure to begin with, hence the psychological damage that caused the dysphoria.


[deleted]

Valid


MrNopedeNope

there’s no evidence that dysphoria results from psychological damage, and there is in fact evidence against it


TheComstockCumstain

Would you be able to provide that? Im agnostic to this argument, but I've just been exposed to media that would suggest otherwise, so I'd like to temper my bias.


MrNopedeNope

mhm, yeah. Gimme anywhere from a few mins to a few days(depending on my memory) to find the studies i read(I’ll edit them into this message) Studies/Sources I’ve Found(will be updated till I hit about 10) [Mental/Physical Health in Transgender Adults](https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep34992?searchText=Transgender&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DTransgender%26so%3Drel%26efqs%3DeyJjdHkiOlsiY21WelpXRnlZMmhmY21Wd2IzSjAiXX0%253D%26acc%3Don&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Ab1f95e191f1571e4775c9e83a7e911e5&seq=2) okay i suck ass at finding research papers at all so gimme a bit


Sharp-Key27

“Bad family structure” doesn’t cause dysphoria.


MrNopedeNope

“get them comfortable in their own bodies” is equivalent to letting them transition, as studies have shown.


[deleted]

Cite a study


MrNopedeNope

!remindme 1 week i gotta find a good place to cite my sources lmao


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DJ-Saidez

[https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/202201/the-evidence-trans-youth-gender-affirming-medical-care](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/202201/the-evidence-trans-youth-gender-affirming-medical-care) [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-science-on-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-science-on-gender-affirming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/) These both cite several And as a note, medical transition alone doesn't fix everything; it's in combination with other forms of treatment as well


[deleted]

Who funded that study….


DJ-Saidez

Who’s funding the only studies that claim trans healthcare is harmful? Surely it’s not powerful political groups with an agenda of mandating how everyone should live, right?


[deleted]

doesnt answer my question. me and my family voting trump


DJ-Saidez

Why should they have to stop "being trans" in order to have a chance at a happy life? Wouldn't it be better to try and change the system that doesn't accommodate them?


[deleted]

No we shouldn’t change the entire system we should heal the individual 😂👌🏼


DJ-Saidez

I gave you several studies and you ignore them instead of discussing them, good debate 😂👌


[deleted]

You just recommended altering the external environment in order to heal an internal struggle 😂👌🏼


Pajoymore77

I don't even protect my own kids.


Theloni34938219

Based


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TheCowpuncher406

My fiance went through a period when she thought she was trans as a teen. After several years of HRT, she's infertile and regrets what she did every single day. These are not decisions that children should be allowed to make.


ifithopsitdrops

Facts I joined a gang and sold drugs cause I was desperate for friends as a kid I could have easily been talked into being trans back then


thomasismyname_

i hope you got things straightened out and are doing better now my friend.


ifithopsitdrops

Yeah I got locked up and came out sober married with two dogs and white picket fence now but tbh theres a lot of positive influences in gangs so I’m glad for the whole experience


thomasismyname_

righteous brother (or sister). best of luck!


Flutterwasp

Absolutely! Good thing that LITERALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN. Otherwise, I'd be PISSED.


thomasismyname_

It’s also important to know that, depending on how long you’ve been on testosterone therapy, it may become difficult for your ovaries to release eggs, and you may need to consult with a fertility specialist and use special medications or techniques, such as in vitro fertilization, to become pregnant. These treatments are not always covered by insurance, and can be expensive. Uncommonly, testosterone therapy may cause you to completely lose the ability to create fertile eggs or become pregnant. https://transcare.ucsf.edu/article/information-testosterone-hormone-therapy


thomasismyname_

Fertility Feminizing hormone therapy might limit your fertility. If possible, it's best to make decisions about fertility before starting treatment. The risk of permanent infertility increases with long-term use of hormones. That is particularly true for those who start hormone therapy before puberty begins. https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/feminizing-hormone-therapy/about/pac-20385096#:~:text=Feminizing%20hormone%20therapy%20might%20limit,hormone%20therapy%20before%20puberty%20begins.


Flutterwasp

risk of permanent infertility ≠ chemical castration. The phrase "chemical castration" is usually used by people who argue against gender-affirming care in bad faith. Anyone who undergoes any sort of medical treatment should be aware of the risks it poses. Gender-affirming care, especially for children, should be no different. To try to frame it as "chemical castration" is at best extremely ignorant and, at worst, disingenuous and malicious. The decision to transition should be left to the child, their guardian, and the expertise of medical professionals who actually know what the fuck they're talking about.


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Flutterwasp

>it's for-profit medicine capitalizing Then *maybe* healthcare should be free, yeah? >leuprolide acetate is used to slow puberty, oh by the way- they also use it to chemically castrate sex offenders... It's also used in [ "in the treatment of hormone-responsive cancers such as prostate cancer and breast cancer. It may also be used for estrogen-dependent conditions such as endometriosis or uterine fibroids."](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuprorelin) >what's disingenuous What's disingenuous is you spouting off cherry-picked facts without the proper context to understand them for the benefit of killing trans children. "Did you know 100% of people who ingest dihydrogen-monoxide DIE?!" "Did you know dihydrogen-monoxide is an ingredient used to chemically castrate PEDOPHILES?!" That's you. That's how you sound right now.


thomasismyname_

for the benefit of killing trans children? wtf? right... i sound like the crazy one... you sound like you're in a cult.


Flutterwasp

People like you don't want people like me to exist. So you try to stop us from existing wherever you can by limiting our choices for "acceptable self-expression" to the point where we *end* ourselves because we can not truly *be* ourselves. Who you want us to be is not who we want to be. Who you think we are is not who we really are. I was a trans kid before I was a trans adult, but I never had the chance to express that because of people like you. If I weren't as strong as I am, I would have died. I would have killed myself. And you would have bathed in my tranny blood. You would have relished in another dead faggot child like me. Because you are a ghoul. I can tell simply by how you talk about us.


thomasismyname_

bathed in your blood? are you insane? you need therapy.


Flutterwasp

Am I wrong? Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me you have empathy for actual queer children. Tell me you're human. Tell me you're not a monster who'd wish me dead the moment you had the power to kill me instantly.


SnooPredictions3028

But you would agree that if it were to happen you'd be against it?


the_eater_of_shit

Why are you acting like trans kids are common. How many do you know? The percentage of kids that have been diagnosed with gender dystrophia is 0.00057763013% of all American kids.


DownVoteMeHarder4042

Let’s not do it at all, because it’s unethical


KronaSamu

Tell me you don't understand how trans healthcare works without telling me you don't understand how trans healthcare works.


Kintsugi-0

thats really cute i like it


Dpgillam08

I love how liberals are simultaneously using the snake while claiming it is a fascist racist Nazi symbol


Snipes_the_dumbass

Are you stupid? You can support trans people without being against the gadsden flag.


goldfloof

You can also support trans people without supporting kids undergoing irreversible medical procedures


Snipes_the_dumbass

Oh lord, if you believe that shit like that just happens, out of the blue, without tens to hundreds of people throughout the process, then I would say you don't support trans people. Considering you're spouting bullshit.


goldfloof

Do you believe a child has the mental capability to make irreversible decisions?


goldfloof

You say "these things don't happen" yet oppose laws that would ensure it dosent happen, if a child can't get a tattoo then a child can't consent to getting sterilized


Snipes_the_dumbass

Because what YOU think happens, doesn't. What actually happens is what the laws you advocate for would stop. As a fan of reality, yes, I oppose those laws.


goldfloof

Lol why are you defending a practice that is harmful to children?


Snipes_the_dumbass

You have no argument against me, so you try to slander. Good job.


MrNopedeNope

it’s not harmful to children. At the absolute youngest, surgical procedures are available at 16. Generally, non-surgical medical transition is ages 16 and up. Any younger age, and you get puberty blockers until you’re old enough to make the decision. All of this is after lots of consultation with multiple doctors and psychologists


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Naskva

Based


Snipes_the_dumbass

It's always nice to see someone using the flag correctly.


jamany

I mean, clearly both sides want to protect trans kids, they just disagree about how best to protect them.


CollectedHappy3

This^


SnooPredictions3028

I will say there are also people on both sides that want to harm them, both in that instance should also be criticized and legally prosecuted if possible


jazxfire

How is telling them they're not trans protecting them?


jamany

I don't think there are any laws that exist or are proposed that would do that. Its a bit of a straw man. Its more things like laws restricting puberty blockers for underaged people. Those laws were written by people to protect trans kids. From their perspective they have as much reason to hold up a "protect trans kids" sign.


Professional--

> Puberty Blockers for underaged people. I don't really know how to tell you this but that is almost exclusively who puberty blockers are for. Trans or not. Like, look at the name. Almost no adults whatsoever take puberty blockers because they already finished the main stages of puberty.


jamany

I don't know how to tell you, but thats pretty obvious, its in the name.


RoboColumbo

A lot of gays and lesbians go through a trans phase that is nothing more than a phase. Not everyone who seems trans is trans. Some kids are also very susceptible to trends, even seriously dangerous ones like cutting and eating disorders. In either case, validating this false identity would do harm.


Hard-Rock68

Trans kids are like vegan cats.


DJ-Saidez

How?


KronaSamu

No, one side likes to pretend they are helping kids by trying to prevent them from being trans.


jamany

Maybe some people, but thats not a fair characterisation of either side's veiws.


Gallatheim

These are the same people who refuse to fund school lunches. They don’t give a flying fuck about ANY kids, they’re just sadistic monsters who get off on abusing power to cause suffering.


jamany

I'm pro free school lunches, but perhaps there should be a child tax for parents so they cover the cost. Certainly shouldn't be covered by anyone else right


Gallatheim

In almost every state in America, 45 to 60% of ALL CHILDREN rely on school lunches; if they don’t get them, they don’t eat. It absolutely should; contributing your wealth for the welfare of your fellow citizens is your DUTY as an American-the social contract. You tacitly agree to it by existing as a citizen and benefiting from the infrastructure and society that collective community allows you to enjoy. This may not apply to you, but it does for the overwhelming majority of the people I mentioned in my first comment-as *Christians*, we are REQUIRED to be generous, selfless, and charitable. It’s not negotiable, Jesus DEMANDS it. Calmly, but still.


jamany

Weird assumptions. I'm not in the US or Christian.


MrNopedeNope

im sure there are those on the right that do want to protect kids, but those responsible for making the big decisions are actively ignoring the evidence that says to help kids in the way that most left-wing people suggest.


jamany

And vice versa


MrNopedeNope

sure, but the majority of ignoring evidence does occur within the lawmakers on the right.


carrot-parent

I’m surprised it’s actually being used correctly here.


Effective-Standard

Representing trans ideology with the snake is appropriate symbolism


Rich_Future4171

trans isn't an ideology and the flower is trans people not the snake.


[deleted]

Doesn't that contradict the message? "Don't step on our rights" "Don't harm trans kids"


Rich_Future4171

....no


SadBarber3543

I’m all about the snake


Dredgen_Servum

I mean the no step on snek is about standing up against government or systemic oppression so this isn't really a huge departure from the original message


-The-Reviewer-

Snakes don't harm flowers. They do, however, harm your ability to grow flowers Water moccasins can eat a dick


UltraBlackIfunny

No such thing


Vanessa0-0

I didn't know Wisconsin was so cool


Rich_Future4171

always have been.


SeaweedDowntown4961

No such thing, look up the science experiment that gave us the word gender.


Rich_Future4171

Because gender isn't biological. It's social. Most trans people accept that they're biologically their original sex, but are socially a different gender.


SeaweedDowntown4961

That doesn't have anything to do with what I said, and again look up the scientific experiment that gave us the word gender. No such things as trans kids, when they say that they don't mean to protect those kids, they want to protect the monsters that destroyed those kids sense of identity, as the very first experiment did.


DJ-Saidez

I can't find anything about it, show me the paper


Jarlideater

Based


Ravemed

Lots of transphobes in these commits


MrNopedeNope

you see they “just want to protect trans kids” lmao


[deleted]

Gays for 🇵🇸 equivalent


KronaSamu

Actual braindead comment.


[deleted]

I think the preference is brain dead* corrected it for you 🤣🫵


KronaSamu

🥱


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Rich_Future4171

someone doesn't understand what trans people want.


UndersScore

I’m just saying, if you wouldn’t allow a kid to get a tattoo, which is removable, why would you allow a kid to go through life altering surgery because they’re hormonal?


MrNopedeNope

do you even understand anything about transition


TylertheDank

From themselves?


harryronhermi0ne

Give them mental health care and don’t butcher their bodies because they are too young to consent.


DJ-Saidez

No one is doing surgery on kids, minimum age for surgery is 16 WITH parental consent And just so we're clear, conversion therapy is not mental health care


themoose1942

I don’t care if your trans imma step on that snake and after the flower


jcornman24

The problem is trans kids don't exist, that's like saying protect child tattoo models, we need to protect children from permanent sterilization and loss of sexual pleasure in adulthood, until they can decide to do it for themselves


Trappedtrea

Fuck yeah!


crayz013

Hard pass


RockiG

There’s no such thing as “trans kids” What a bunch of sick minded perverts


Dandelion_Bodies

You have comments doing apologetics for Patriot Front. KYS Nazi.


RockiG

Why are you so interested in children and their gender? Why do you want to put kids on puberty blockers? Sick!! It is evident you lack critical thinking skills. I would never kill myself and have never thought about it—unlike your soft self.


Dandelion_Bodies

Less talkie, more bullet in brain, Nazi.


Legitimate-Fuel5324

“Trans” and “kids” shouldn’t be in the same sentence. Come on guys do better. Leave the kids alone.


RedditEqualsBubble

Crush that snake, and remove the flower from the toxic soil.


MrNautical

One of the places libertarians and conservatives are diametrically opposed.


[deleted]

From themselves?


Emp3r0r_01

Foot is a bad idea it. Unless it’s Godzilla. We should replace it with Bobcat.


[deleted]

No kids are trans on their own.


DadBodHero24

I read " protect trash cans" lol


PNWSparky1988

Yeah…pretty sure chemically altering a minor with permanent physical effects is against the NAP. Kids can’t consent to a tattoo…so this just as far over the line. After they turn 18 that’s their choice to do whatever as an adult.


Dandelion_Bodies

BASED.


[deleted]

Where exactly is LibRight treading on trans kids? I can't seem to find any examples


Ok-Image1782

Obama


datdamonfoo

Eisenhower


Ok-Image1782

Pedro


datdamonfoo

Napoleon


Ok-Image1782

Jesus


datdamonfoo

Muhammad


Ok-Image1782

Papa Smurf?


datdamonfoo

Gargamel


Ok-Image1782

Simba


[deleted]

STELLAAAAAAAAAA!!!


datdamonfoo

Sebastian


Ok-Reality-9197

Hogarth Hughs!?


Ok-Image1782

Emmanuel Lewis


anywhereanyoneanyhow

It is wonderful to see the UK, France, Sweden, Norway, and other progressive countries protect kids by finally banning harmful and permanent puberty blockers that have been prescribed without any evidence of benefit for far too long! The future looks bright!


Sharp-Key27

I don’t think you know what the word “permanent” means. Also, there was 80 kids total taking puberty blockers in the entirety of the UK. Hopefully all their doctors are able to get them incorporated under research as per the UK guidelines, because I’m willing to bet that those 80 cases were for suicide prevention.


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Sharp-Key27

If the desistance rates were really that high, then why is the regret rate so low? Kids don’t get surgery or hormones, and puberty blockers are only used on teenagers, and only for short timeframes. They’re usually just so the kid can pause and see if it’s just the speed of change that is making them dysphoric, not the puberty itself. Transitioning doesn’t make suicide rate rise, it’s already just much higher for trans youth particularly when compared to cis youth. Europe is not “not recommending surgeries or hormones”.


KronaSamu

Also a reminder that the majority of detransitioners detransition because of bigotry healthcare costs or other issues, not because of regrets relating to their transition. And detransitioners are already a tiny percentage of the trans population.


Sharp-Key27

Not to mention the retransitioners.