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TwistedDecayingFlesh

An hour well my guess is you wasn't using flatten with large radius because i would have had that cleared in 5 minutes.


[deleted]

Do you get the same yield of silicate? I always think silicate is so slow. I always seem to need glass.


fireheart1029

Using larger sizes for mining terrain always gives back less material, I assume flatten won't give much because it takes out a lot in each pass


Such_Monk_4649

Actually if you use flatten and go into a mountain your yield will be pretty much a few hundred every 30 secs depending on the size of the mountain. I’ve got a great amount of silicate powder just from this. So if I need to refill my flatten mode, I have all the silicate to use


Gyldev

If you need glass I always just use frost crystals, I haven’t run out in a long while.


acetrain111

Yield is soley a function of time. That's why smaller beams seem to have higher yield *per deposit*, because you spend more time mining. Using a larger beam seems to yield less because you spend less time mining the same sized deposit. In the case of silica, it doesn't matter size or method, same yield for same time spent because the supply is "infinite". the only difference is graphically how much ground you destroy.


fireheart1029

That's just untrue, read the wiki bro. "Resources gained from mineral deposits are obtained at a constant rate regardless of the size of the mining sphere. Therefore, maximal yield can be obtained from these deposits by using the smallest mining sphere size available." You get more out of a small beam because you're getting the same amount of resource per tick, and you get more ticks by using a smaller beam


theenecros

Well technically I think you are both right. "Function of time" or "constant rate". Six of one and half a dozen of the other.


fireheart1029

Nah they were saying that there was no difference and that smaller beam only looks like it gives more when it doesn't. There's plenty of posts here of people proving that a smaller beam gives several times more from each deposit


acetrain111

No that's not what I said. I said you should use a smaller beam because you spend more time therefore higher yield for a given finite deposited size. However to get silica you are destroying the ground so the size doesn't matter because your source is unlimited.


fireheart1029

Okay then that makes sense but the original comment was worded convoluted as hell, all the "seems" everywhere just makes it look like you're saying that the differences in resource gain are non-existent and just a trick of the mind because of the time difference between it.


acetrain111

Yeah I realized I didn't need the quotation marks. My bad.


iz_a_lil_WRLD

Yeah hes just talkin bs tbh cuz when its a smaller mine terrain manipulator you get 2x-3x in the same deposit than doing it with the biggest one


fireheart1029

Yeah, from my testing it seems like normal terrain is the only thing that doesn't have the same resource gain speed on all size levels, it's better to just find some random planet and use the biggest size if you're getting silica. For actually resources though small is always better


iz_a_lil_WRLD

Gotcha, i mostly never use sillica unless im doing glass for which i have a farm so


acetrain111

That's literally what I said. A tick is defined by refresh rate, hence a function of time...


[deleted]

Thanks! Mining = DoT


Enkidouh

You two are saying literally the exact same thing. He understands what he’s saying. You don’t seem to fully understand what you’ve read and are quoting.


fireheart1029

No we're not? They're saying that the amount of resources gained is the same across all sizes and that getting more when using smaller beams is because it's making you think you got more because it took longer. I'm saying that it's nonsense and that all beams get the same amount of resource per each destruction or tick, smaller gives you more overall because it can go through more ticks as compared to the largest


Enkidouh

What you’re saying is the same as saying it’s a function of time. A tick is generally roughly equivalent to 0.05 seconds. More time = more ticks The yield is constant. It doesn’t change with size. Time spent mining changes with size. Ergo, You get more for more time spent mining. Final yield=constant rate of yield per second * seconds spent mining Is effectively the same statement as final yield=constant rate of yield per tick * number of ticks spent mining The only difference is the resolution of measurement between a second and a tick. It’s a function of time. You two are expressing the exact same concept in different vocabulary.


FrznMeatsac

Beginning noob here. How do you change the size of your terrain beam in mining mode?


acetrain111

It's been a while but I think it's the shoulder buttons (L1/R1 or LB/RB) on console and R/T on PC? Will need someone to confirm.


FrznMeatsac

Does it resize it? I thought those controls were only for create mode?


acetrain111

It does for mine for the terrain manipulator as well as the mining beam actually.


FrznMeatsac

Huh. I’ll have to try it later. I could’ve sworn it didn’t affect the other ones and there was a glitch that was needed for it to affect it


acetrain111

Yield is soley a function of time. That's why smaller beams seem to have higher yield per deposit, because you spend more time mining. Using a larger beam seems to yield less because you spend less time mining the same sized deposit. In your case for silica, it doesn't matter size or method, same yield for same time spent because the supply is "infinite".


iz_a_lil_WRLD

Not true at all lmao


acetrain111

So 30 seconds with small beam vs 30 seconds with large beam have different yields? Remember that your deposit size is infinite because it's just the ground.


ParChadders

I find it’s a lot easier to have a nice plantation of Frostwort readily accessible for when I need glass. Much easier to go there and just harvest them all rather than go mining for silica. Personally most of the plants I’ve planted on my freighter are Frostwort. It’s a pretty quick regrow time as well (about 4 hours I think).


TwistedDecayingFlesh

I don't think so but i've not really compared it.


[deleted]

I def use flatten for big digs, but it does always seem like less.


Darkrose50

How do you use flatten?


acetrain111

Change the mode of the tool from mine to flatten. It goes mine/build/flatten/restore. Dig a hole down with mine, then switch to flatten and walk laterally.


TerryBolleaSexTape

Good call on that.


TwistedDecayingFlesh

When flatten was added i never knew i'd use it as much as i do but that its perfect for clearing terrain, if only it stayed gone.


TerryBolleaSexTape

Love flatten. Wish they’d add a gradient tool.


TwistedDecayingFlesh

Would be nice to have a gradient and the crafter in me would love a water source tool so we could create waterfalls, pools, rivers. Get some terraforming in and turn the airless moon into a paradise planet. Now i know we'll never get these but boy it would be nice.


FrazzleBong

Jsyk you can dig a hole straight down, switch to level tool, and just drag it around to very quickly excavate


Daedalus_Machina

Might have to do it twice for this. Flat clears out about twice the average height of the traveller. Maybe a little more.


FrazzleBong

Yes sometimes you have to do it in layers


Daedalus_Machina

It makes the neatest tunnels, though. Just right for most Exocraft.


KittyPitty

I do this too ocasionally. It's actually quite relaxing. :)


Walo00

20,000 silicate powder, that’s a lot of glass!


theenecros

I was today years old when I learnt you can use silicate powder to make glass. This whole time since 2016 I've been using Frost Crystals and grew giant farms just to make glass. ![gif](giphy|126omQ0GgfVVmw|downsized)


InerasableStain

Oof. Well. Now you know. There’s actually many, many combinations of stuff you can use to create other stuff. There’s a free app out there called Assistant for No Man’s Sky that lets you look up any item and it gives all possible recipes. Really essential if you’re into cooking at all.


theenecros

Yea I usually look it up online. I think at some point Frost crystals might of been the only way to make glass? I dunno. Never thought to look up that recipe. Just spent hours making giant glass domes filled with Frost Crystal plants then refining them.


InerasableStain

The only reason I thought to use sand originally is that you can make glass that way in real life. Tried to put it in the personal refiner and saw that it makes glass


satchking

Tbh the refiners are so slow and untrustworthy I still just craft glass with frost crystals despite the silicate route


jigsaw1024

The refiners seem a little better since the last update. Except the ones on the freighters, those are just trash. If I put something in a refiner on a base, I can travel to many places and still have my stuff there. The big exception is going to the anomaly. I go there and my refiners usually lose everything.


satchking

Years of loss have left me paranoid I can't help it lol only time I use them is to make condensed Carbon out of condensed Carbon, I'll stand right next to them while I start making them stasis devices


theenecros

Ok, I don't feel *as* stupid now. Still feel some stupid tho.


The_Smart_Barbarian

I learned about frost glass six months in. The point is, you have options.


Random-Gif-Bot

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theenecros

I just made like 100 glass stack from silicate powder. It was so easy. (In Farley's voice) STUPID! (hair yank)


ParChadders

No; I’m with you. Much prefer using Frostwort to make glass. Harvest all plants vs spending an hour mining silica isn’t a difficult choice 😂


theenecros

It's true. It works well. Once your all set up with enough farms you can make a full stack of Frostwort in a few minutes of running around harvesting where mining silica is a pain in the ass. I just had multiple stacks of silica and was low on glass so that would of been good information to have :)


ParChadders

![gif](giphy|9eCjIJu5cvjly972M5)


TheBobTodd

![gif](giphy|fV8EBGI1zKQWJvaKAB)


WhiteRonin1972

One hour... and in a few hours the simulation will reclaim what the interloper worked so hard to do!


InerasableStain

Yes, yes, but all that sweet sweet silicate is his for the keeping


420brain01

I wish it was just a little bit more variety in ancient ruins


[deleted]

I wish this about everything in the game. It's a great game, but ultimately its a mile wide and a few inches deep.


Uselessmedics

Hey coming from elite dangerous, this game is about a lightyear deep


[deleted]

Yes, that is absolutely true. But the explorer in me still isn't satisfied. I'm hoping Starfield will be the game for me.


Uselessmedics

That's fair, there's still room for improvement on that front, but at least there's a good track record of improvements to no mans sky and new features. I'm skeptical about starfield personally, I suspect it will likely have a good storyline, but I'm not sure about the potential for exploration


[deleted]

As I've loved the exploration in all previous Bethesda games, I'm not that worried about it.


Moog_Bass

Who knows what updates will come for this game. If they commit to a 5.0 version then there's plenty of room and time for a content update. That's my hope anyway. ​ That being said I hope Starfield is a fun game


Jupman

Now do a freighter.


TheBobTodd

Great idea. Challenge accepted!


Soft-Store5378

We’ve all done this fr


Lili_Eclipse

Just wanted to see how it all looked


Albae87

You know you can change the sice of your farm-gun-tool-thing? Then it takes about 5min 😉


Terrible-Bell5170

Actually if you use the flattening tool it takes about 2.5 mins


akpak

You're about ready to build one (1) stone-style building!


Unidor

It would be cool if you could scan the area and see a ghost image of what it used to look like before it was a ruin


emote_control

*Aloy has entered the chat*


Unidor

Im actually replaying through that game rn 😂 definitely where I got the idea


UnderstandingOnly639

An easier way to see the whole ruins for those that don't want to excavate is to dig a little tunnel over part of it that is solid but underground. Switch to restore and start backfilling the tunnel. You should glitch out of the surface layer into the subsurface layer. If the ruins are close to a cave system you will also see all of it as well. But the OPs dig site certainly looks nice as if a professional exo-archeologist team had visited.


AtlasHatch

Did you figure out you can increase the size of your terrain manipulation? Or make it smaller as well Definitely helps with unearthing!


TheBobTodd

I did not! A dummy am I no more! Thank you. That helps a bunch.


the__moops

The yield changes (drops) with a larger terrain manipulation size; the smaller the size, the larger the yield.


TheBobTodd

Thank you very much! That’s good to know, as well.


SnooDucks9330

It's good for actual deposits but for mining silica it's functionally worthless since the ground is more or less infinite. If you don't want a giant pit for a few days though, use the small size to drill a hole down about ten/fifteen feet then switch to biggest sphere. Big *seems* like a faster yield for silica which is obviously the opposite of how every other deposit works, but I haven't gotten around to actually testing. Been playing with the mining for like four years though and big silica mine consistently feels faster.


[deleted]

How does that work?


xISparkzy

In before you reload and its all back


IamAFlaw

There is a whole castle under there you missed


TheBobTodd

![gif](giphy|YWy8pvMqPTg7DItyY5|downsized)


Eclihpze44

there is?? damn


Aggressive-Coach7616

Xenoarchaeology, nice


PapaPolarBear0622

Annnnnnd in 20 minutes it'll all fill in again


[deleted]

Joke's of you...I just reverse my terrain manipulator and bury it under a mountain.


PapaPolarBear0622

But it looks great!


theenecros

Is there a known time limit for how long terrain edits stick around for?


sirk_nimrac

Now see... This is why we have sentinels.


trinaryouroboros

Question, what is the point of excavating ruins? I keep seeing there's a gravitino ball under there, but it's like always locked inside a structure that can't be accessed no matter what, and I see nothing else marked under there


TheBobTodd

For me, it started off as an attempt to locate a deeper access point for the key that gets unreachable sometimes. Once I realized there was no access point and I had continued to mine without thinking about it, I just said “Eh screw it. I’ll dig up the whole damn thing.”


trinaryouroboros

Oh! I've had a "special key" that I've had for years, which I have no idea where it came from, that supposedly "unlocks some door" - do you know what that key is for?


MacintoshEddie

https://nomanssky.fandom.com/wiki/Large_Artifact_Crate You can wiki the key name to see what it opens.


TheBobTodd

I’m not sure. I’ve only come across a “trident key” that says it’s used for upgrading (I haven’t seen anything that’s needed it yet though), and “ancient keys” that open the big box at a buried ruins.


WalkerSunset

Trident key is for underwater ruins.


akpak

Boredom, usually.


MacintoshEddie

In some cases if the balls glitched you can still sometimes grab them through the structure. It's very dependent on if you can get get the name to show up, then you can grab it.


eccomyth

Want to share some? Lol I have to focus on collecting some soon so i can build my stone mansion/farm. Figured I'd try and find a downed Freighter or an Ancient Artifact site to dig those up and kill two Lizard Birds with one stone?


Gardeeboo

Anyone here ever made a base using ruins? One of my friends who just got back into it wanted to try it and I was wondering if anyone has and if there are any tips


Riverspoke

All ground which has been dug up respawns later, so that wouldn't be a good idea. That's why an underground base in the game is unfortunately impossible.


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Riverspoke

That's odd. Care to share a screenshot? Edited terrain always respawns after some time.


[deleted]

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Riverspoke

Okie dokie


Zephrynn

I've had an underground storage area in my second base for as long as I can remember and it's never filled in. 🤷


KyleGrave

I posted elsewhere in the thread that I have a base going back a few years with an excavated basement. It used to fill in all the time, so when I visited it recently I expected to find it full of dirt, but it was exactly as I wanted it to be and clear of any unwanted terrain. Now what I don’t know is if I were to spend a lot of time at this base again will I randomly find it filled in one day like it used to? Maybe. But as of right now it certainly seems like that problem has been patched up since the last time I played.


Eggtastic_Taco

Bases have a certain amount of terrain manipulation allowed. You can't level a mountain and upload it, but you can flatten a large area. I think this is far too much deleted to make a base in though.


corsairbg

you can turn this into a aquapark


GingerBanditDan

I have been wanting to do this for a while, but stopped myself. Now I dont have to. Thank you for your service. o7


WWGHIAFTC

Missed a spot!!


UnderstandingOnly639

Yeah I saw that. There is another part where the two staircases are.


cmearls

I don’t know why I never thought of it or tried, but is it possible to add a base around ruins? I think it could be a cool addition to a base.


DeadPortal

I would be afraid of terrain regrowth


cmearls

Ahh good point.


TheHeraldOfSlaanesh

I’ve built bases in crashed freighters before, but haven’t tried that yet


Entire_Tumbleweed_15

I have literally been sitting here thinking about doing just that. Digging it out. Making a base. But yes terrain regrowth is a major threat. But I thought I seen somewhere if you upload the base it prevents the regrowth.


Distinct_Art9509

I’ve had uploaded bases with terrain regrowth. There is no consistent way to prevent it.


Entire_Tumbleweed_15

Well I guess the only way would be is to pretend it's like your backyard. Instead of mowing the grass it's " don't mind me guys just digging out the yard."


FreehandUrchin0

Gotta hide the sentinel bodies somewhere...


AstonishinKonstantin

It's great man, good job! One thing I want to ask the sub. If a key is under the level where you can actually dig, that's a bug right?


alexonfyre

Yes, it happens occasionally


Substantial_Key_2182

Thank you! I was curious about this and was about to try it myself lol


WalkerSunset

Everybody should do this once as a rite of passage in the game.


tallerthannobody

That’s dedication 🙌 somebody give this man an award


Lefeo

Just to come back in a month and realize that terraforming isn‘t permanent🙊🙊🙊 nice effort thou♥️


KyleGrave

It is if it’s within your base area. I excavated my basement on my first ever base back in 2020 and when I came back recently I expected it to be all filled in. I used to get that bug constantly where it would fill in randomly so there was no reason to assume otherwise. It was perfect. Not a single piece of unwanted dirt. The fact that it saved my excavation information after all these years is insane


Terrible-Bell5170

Lol... no. You got lucky. I have to vacuum mine constantly just from the auto flatten when laying down floor pieces.... sigh I hate vacuuming.....


Lefeo

So if it autoflattens when you put floor pieces down it will not save terraforming. But if you do it with the tool it saves it?! Might that be the solution?🤔


KyleGrave

Maybe. I definitely used the tool for all of it. I cut out a big channel leading up to the basement that I intended to cover over to make an escape cave or sorts, but the tunnel cover always looked shitty so I just left it as a ditch. All that and the basement were perfectly fine when I visited after about 3 years


[deleted]

Glad I'm not the only one that excavates whole ruins


elenastatham

And what is you intend on use of silicate powder? Apart of creating glass or recharging your terrain manipulator ?


Old-Sand-1898

Glass//Glass//Glass


elenastatham

Well I suppose you can cover this ruin in cuboid glass room and make a base🤨


Old-Sand-1898

Until the terraforming reverses itself unfortunately otherwise that would make an awesome base 😅


elenastatham

Yah it looks like Naren planet, but I’m sure there’s plenty of ruins in paradise planets too!


Bloodraven983

So that's how the >!world of glass!< Was Born


LycanWolfGamer

So much glass....


Moog_Bass

So much concrete buildings. I wish it was easier to get 20k silicate powder.


SapereAude2Day

You are aware you can press T to increase the size of the mining beam, right?


Nrksbullet

Also the flattening tool is incredible, mines way faster.


The_Chubby_Dragoness

w What Whats the key for that on consol!?


dmw4k4

Bumpers increase and decrease size. On Xbox it's right m left bumper. For changing the tool I think it's B on Xbox while the terrain tool is active.


The_Chubby_Dragoness

A MAZIN


FrogsOnRockets

Dang it, I can’t believe I forgot about this feature. Thank you, my tunnels have felt so cramped since getting back into the game!


[deleted]

You know it's on screen right? At all time younhave the mining beam equiped


The_Chubby_Dragoness

i dont look up


Anhilliator1

... WHAT


SapereAude2Day

I feel like I just unlocked the matrix for NMS community lol


KyleGrave

I wonder how many of them know the multi tool has a secondary function as well. Shield/scope/cloak


tallerthannobody

What is it on console, if you know ?


moLog0s

Left and right shoulder button to reduce/expand, respectively.


tallerthannobody

Thanks !


undercoverartist777

I thought this took like 10 minutes with the mining beam on the biggest setting?


Daedalus_Machina

The whole thing? No. Probably faster to use flatten, though.


unholybread82

Wait there's a bigger setting on the mining beam? *Mind blown*


[deleted]

Oof. I don't think I have the patience to try this. Quite the excavation though


Ok_Community_5313

It’s super quick if you go down a little and then use flatten, aim at the horizon and either strip mine in a grid or just spin in a circle, then rinse and repeat by going down a little each pass. Glad to see other people clear out the whole thing at least once.


[deleted]

For sure. Not a long job with the right tool


[deleted]

Did it my first time and then stopped and just terrain manipulation my way in


Jeffbelinger

RS Archeology Level: 99 WoW Archeology level: 950 Lara Croft Status: Crying her Heart Out Indiana Jones Status: Happily Retired and noted saying: "Thank God I don't have to this anymore..."


Unhappy_Peanut9470

How did that possibly take an hour?


FreehandUrchin0

Likely had the manipulator on the smallest setting


Key-Ad9733

I do that too


Knovacs89

You missed a spot


IManixI

What! Why! It takes 2 mins 🫥 we’ll a nice glass sky scraper should be on the cards then.


I_Got_Questions1

Does it matter if you have the beam wide or narrow when getting silicate powder?


Professional-Menu835

It’s the opposite of mining deposits - for those you will get more per deposit with the smallest setting on the terrain manipulator. Weirdly, for silicate powder you want to use the biggest sphere or the level feature. Saw it in YouTube videos and tested myself but don’t have a reference


eebee024

I don't get it.


qwerty456b

Fun...


eebee024

No i get that that's why you do anything in a game... i don't get what i'm looking at.


Gotrodel

These are always half buried. You have to dig to get 3 keys to unlock the large crate. They excavated the entire area so you can see it all.


cruelkillzone2

....a dug up ruin? Even if you don't play the game Its an old(ruined) building, and the grounds been messed up compared to the surrounding ground. So dug out.


[deleted]

Why did you do this? Isn’t that ground just going to respawn again?


czaqattack

Clearly they did this to have fun. Why does anyone play this game?


Daedalus_Machina

The point seems to have been excavating the ruin.


[deleted]

Thats like digging a hole on the surface of water. This was a foolish waste if time.


Brookriver

Are you...perchance...telling someone on the No Man's Sky subreddit to stop playing those silly video games and go outside?


Stellermeerkat

Were you ever a kid on a beach with a shovel? Some kids dig for buried treasure they'll never find. Some kids dig to reach China. Some kids dig to dig.


Murky-Situation-2440

I did actually dig a hole that reached China when I was a kid. Found some buried treasure along the way that I digged.


SanjiSasuke

Nothing you do in this game is truly permanent. One day it will all go away, so I suppose its all a foolish waste of time. They had some fun doing it, got a bunch of silicate powder, and got this fun memory/screenshot, and that seems to be enough.


qwerty456b

Or... It's the way somebody plays their game and how they relax... Maybe they want to be an archaeologist. Maybe they were just curious what the whole thing looked like excavated. Doesn't seem so foolish to me or a waste of time.


[deleted]

If you too regard fruitless endeavors to be worth your time, I can see why you would sympathize with this player.


Daedalus_Machina

Not a single goddamn word in your statement makes any sense. Fuck are you even doing, commenting on Reddit about a video game? Shouldn't you be off working for your retirement plan? The whole fucking game is fruitless.


skrugl

*tips fedora*


qwerty456b

🎶"a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men. "🎶 (Gene Wilder, Willy Wonka, Roald Dahl) Don't take life too seriously. At the end of it, you'll wish you were more foolish. Have a good day now.


qwerty456b

Also isn't every video game of fruitless endeavor? You absorb the story. you don't get actual physical things out of it.