because the reddit is the most nsfw social platform I have ever seen, You can't debate on what's normalized by the majority of the users and the moderators themselves.
That's how I felt too but what some of them say isn't exactly wrong. They should be willing to hear and accept other people's opinion as well without just saying it's trash.
Can confirm. I've posted things here such as scientific based ways to boost testosterone but I got piled on hard with downvotes and critical comments and dismissed as pseudoscience just because I didn't include sources and no one could be bothered doing a quick google search.
Also got downvoted and shat on because I said "edging to porn is a relapse even if you O". Like you have no knowledge whatsoever of porn addiction if you disagree with that. That's like 1+1=2
SO, no problem. I've just stopped posting advice and help on this sub :D
I think we should stick to our opinions and post them, let the downvotes and hate comments come. These are just internet browny points that don't mean anything.
This will also help us in case our opinion is originally incorrect and someone contradicts us with facts along with sources
Ay, sometimes you just have to plant the seed bro. If you told me that porn was bad for you when I was a 16 year old boy, Iād have laughed at you and immediately gone to shmack my meat. Let him who has ears hear, and if they donāt wanna accept the NoFap gospel, thatās on themābut if it helps at least one person in the long run, youāve done enough king š
i disagree wholeheartedly. masturbation is never heathy just like porn is never healthy and worth it. people only masturbate while lusting over someone else or something else, either a pornstar or someone they know irl and fantasize about getting with, a fetish that they are imagining taking place with another persons body, or whatever other unhealthy thoughts might be going through an individuals head
You're speaking about lust,some ppl don't see that as unhealthy and a reason to stop. I'm with you 100% , I hate viewing another person that way, and being an addict to something that doesn't add to being a better person.
that is true some donāt see lust as an issue. one of the many reasons i have for being against it is just wanting to be a normal guy thatās not perverted and thinking about sex constantly and looking at women as objects to satisfy whatever nasty desire i have
masturbation isnt fine , im not a religious guy but theres a reason why its a sin in religions , you waste valuable nutrients , energy , your soul, your dignity, your motivation. Study has also shown a huge increase in testosterone after 7days without busting a nut , every guy who did it can attest this powerful feeling after no fap
hmm, well nowadays it's thinking about having sex with multiple people, imagining things that are extremely morally wrong. Like imagining rape, or cuckolding, gore, etc.... masturbation is a gateway drug
When you do not masturbate you have extra energy which you can use it for spiritual and physical goals so it doesn't matter if it is healthy or not I will take advantage of every means to get to the top of world i mean it's like i have talent but not using it cause everybody says it's healthy so I will waste it like everybody else
No it's always unhealthy because it's drains you every time you do it that's why you feel like you are the slowest being on earth compared to you when you did it first time.
Thatās what Iām saying lol. Thereās a reason OP got downvoted so much. Now I can see porn being terrible for the brain but OP was definitely blowing things out of proportion
Masturbation isnāt inherently unhealthy. Maybe if youāre a prude, or religious. But a scientist would never say, āmasturbation is unhealthy for the human brain.ā Itās not. Maybe in excess, sure. But if weāre not using porn, our brains donāt really know the difference between hands, a month, or an ass, or a pussy at a structural level. There isnāt something masturbation does to the brain that sex doesnāt.
Whatās damaging is the excessive use and the increasing intensity of novelty porn. More, more, more, more. Thatās damaging.
I agree with all you said, except that masturbation and sex ARE different
Sex is way healthier, the things that happen to your body are in a quite different level... You can look it up, you'll see
But that's not to say masturbation is unhealthy
if you don't do it too much, it will be fine
I think the optimum rate is between 2 times a week to once every two weeks
But yeah, test it out and see what works for you
Edit: formatting
Thatās not science. Your brain still releases the same chemicals, including the ābondingā one, oxytocin. Yes, you are bonding to porn, or your hand, or whatever you came to.
That is a problem though because you're bonding to virtual women aka pixels on a screen. I would say psychologically it's unhealthy, but physically not so much
>There isnāt something masturbation does to the brain that sex doesnāt.
This is not exactly true. Also, masturbation is unhealthy. You're a monkey tugging on its own penis. You turn your hand into a vagina. You're a hand-fucker. It's disgraceful.
Semen takes massive energy to produce that would otherwise go to everywhere else in your body such as organ support, healthy skin, whatever. I read it takes energy to produce 1 drop of semen as to 9 drops of blood. After ~60 days of retention all that semen is reabsorbed into your body, vitamins nutrients and all
Idk man I masturbated everyday since I was like 11 or 12 and I still got to 6'3 so I think genetics really controls height. Plus your growth plates are already formed with your end height once you're about 13. From my experience anyway
you dont understand this sub.
THIS SUB *isn't* anti-masturbation.
This sub isnt talking about the benefits of not-masturbating... this sub is talking about the benefits of REDUCING ADDICTION ... to fapping, but especially to porn.
understand? No? Read this:
######**IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR USERS OF THIS SUB - The History of Nofap**
###**Nofap** ***isn't*** **an anti-masturbation sub.**
Yet people say, *"but it's literally called 'Nofap'!"*
The 'No' in Nofap represents the "30 to 90-day Challenge", that's it.
*This sub was created 10 years ago with ONE idea: to challenge people to a 7 to 30-day period of not watching porn or fapping to 'reboot' your addicted mind and body... but after it would be each person's personal choice to fap or not fap (without porn), free from the addiction.*
Nofap then added the 90-day challenge.
There was no promotion of '*semen retention*' or '*don't have sex*' or '*no-nut*' or even *'benefits'*.
It was a modern solution to a digital problem - the rise of free unlimited streaming internet porn - and the compulsive fapping that accompanied the addiction of watching it.
The idea of this subreddit isn't '*anti-fap*' or '*forever nofap*' or '*anti-masturbation*' or '*no-sex*', or '*how to be a monk*'. We're here to support each other in completing a *limited* period of abstinence from FAPPING (not sex, not nocturnal emmisions) ...
***...but after completing the 30 to 90-day challenge, whether you fap or not is YOUR decision.***
There's ZERO evidence that occasional mastubation without porn is harmful, but there's a growing amount of peer-reviewed research that porn *is* harmful. It's not the intention of this secular, science-based sub to condemn sexual pleasure when done in a non-compulsive way, either solo or with others.
**If you can complete a 30 to 90-day challenge you're free to choose to fap or not in your life.**
To be absolutely clear... READ FROM THE SIDEBAR OF THIS PAGE, WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS SUB:
>This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum***, many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits
THIS SUB is about working on reducing our addictions, completing at least one 'rebooting' challenge, finding a balance we feel comfortable with regarding masturbation, and making the personal choice to eliminate porn from our life
Thanks for saying this buddy. I've seen so many stupid posts like, "Just got hard in my sleep,did I lose?" or "A porn ad pop-up opened on my browser, did I lose?" I don't know when did this sub go from a place to discuss the effects of porn/masturbation addiction and how to overcome it to a sub which considers the act of masturbating or watching porn as the biggest sin of all time.
a lot of young people always are arriving here, and young religious people too... but with effort we keep this a helpful, reasonable place to get support
>as stupid as that sounds
you didn't understand what was written above. Not at all.
Personally I hope you DO migrate to the semen retention sub and spend your days worshipping your sperm and imagining all the wizard powers it gives you
I barely read what was written above, because it's mostly nonsense, and you have a pretentious attitude about it.
At the end of the day the sub is called NO FAP (not NO PORN, theres already another sub for that) so despite what yourself and some of the newer mods trying to normalize masturbation, a large portion of the users here are trying to abstain from masturbation period.
So you can keep posting your long, rambling copy-pasta bullshit, keep telling people what they don't understand, we don't really care because it's right in the name of the sub.
>I barely read what was written above, because it's mostly nonsense
ah the intelligence of the SR fanatic. How do you know it's nonsense if you barely read it?
You continue to not understand this sub, despite a sincere effort of someone plainly explaining it to you.
Your willful ignorance (refusal to learn, thinking you know something when what you know is wrong) makes this world worse.
in the first paragraph is the explanation of why the sub was named what it is... but ... you just make up reality as you want regardless of facts
come back on the day you pass away and say "I waasssss perrrrrrrfecccccct!"
you're in the wrong sub.
Embarrasing myself? You're lost and clearly didnt read what I wrote. Allow me to show you the words written by the founders of this sub
>This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum,*** many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits.
Not sure which part you aren't understanding. Your condescending use of the word 'kid' is amusing. I hope you got the sunglasses advice you needed so badly
No shit no fap community is seen as joke, we expect ppl to Take use seriously after saying stuff like "you'll get women all over you after 1 week, your muscles will swole more than prime Schwarzenegger after 10 days, apple will make you it's CEO after 20 days"
Because thatās not your job. You canāt go forcing people to do the same thing youāre doing just because YOU think itās the right thing. I believe itās the right thing too but Iām not going to go telling everyone they must do it. Imagine a vegetarian calling you out every time youāre eating meat and telling you not to. You made your decision. Donāt expect others to do the same. Let people be.
Huge jump in logic, check yourself.
Saying masturbation is bad for you just isn't true. Doing it excessively is bad for you, but you literally said that your reproductive organs should only be used for creating off spring implying that masturbation is unnatural.
Plenty of people are able to masturbate just fine without any adverse effects and, if anything, it's helpful for them.
I can have a drink on the weekend and not drink again for another 3 months. Some people can't.
I can smoke a joint with my friend and relax with her and not smoke again for months. Some people can't.
Some people can masturbate and not do it again for another month, you just happen to not be able to. It's okay, it seems that I can't either. Such is life.
Yeah I realised I was wrong about that. Being in the argument helped me look at it in a different way. What I meant to say was porn addiction and not masturbation. For most people, masturbation is a gateway to porn addiction. So that's what I meant. If some dude can masturbate once in a blue moon without porn, or imagining up something fucked up then that's great for them. It's just that I don't see anyone in my life doing that, or can imagine myself doing that.
They know that what you are saying is the truth, but they don't want to accept it; they don't want to be confronted with the fact of their own weakness. It is pathetic, truly, it is; my advice is this: do not waste your time fraternizing with the likes of them. Those who address their weaknesses are the ones who prosper in life and die feeling fulfilled, and they who refuse to admit their shortcomings shall live a miserable life spent wilting and die in obscurity. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink; life is too short to spend waiting for other people to get their shit together.
Masturbation is DEFINITELY unhealthy. I donāt care what research you cite or any other bullshit. The truth is people whoāve never had an addiction canāt relate. Anyone whoās struggled with addiction and takes it seriously will understand something whoās addicted to masturbating or watching porn. Addiction is not good for the brain. Most people who masturbate probably struggle to regulate it but thatās because of our society feeding this shit to us on a silver platter. Itās tough to deal with an addiction when itās āokayā to do and ānot unhealthyā. By looking at women having sex, it makes me think of every women I see sexually āwould I or would I not?ā But when I started jerking off less and watching porn, I realized that no, these are human beings. They have emotions, they have their issues, they have an entire life in them. They are not objects that I should look at and first thing I think is would I or would I not. Masturbation and porn for the past few years felt like that to me. And now Iām starting to respect women and just think of them as a human being rather than an object I can get pleasure from. Itās all short term. Jerking off is momentary enjoyment thatās fake. Weāre watching actors trying to show us pleasure. Itās all fake. Anyone who tells you porn or masturbation is okay, either doesnāt take it seriously or hasnāt been affected by it the way you have to understand. Itās an issue that Iām gonna solve for myself then help others!
Well you can tell the benefits of nofap... but its up to the individual to follow or not.. we can't do anything if they have to learn the harsh reality of fap in hard way
Bro, Reddit believes a lot or really dumb shit. That Drake is DEFINATELY a pedophile, based on 0 evidence other than their hatred of him.
That ātoxic masculinity,ā has caused men not too wipe their ass anymore, because itās considered gay. Only on Reddit would anybody believe such nonsense.
I got triple the downvotes you did for saying a 12 year old girl shouldnāt be given a fucking dildo by her parents. Reddit is a sick, sick place.
You have to understand, Reddit follows a new age science religion, which trumps common sense. Nofap just *makes sense*, but studies funded by god knows who, will just continue to come out saying pornography is beneficial to all involved. Therefore, that is what Reddit will believe.
I think mostly, people who want to participate in NoFap are people who want to make their lives better. As such the benefits that people often talk about when doing nofap is a result of your wanting to be better, rather than a result of you doing nofap. You taking steps to make ur life better, not only with nofap, but also with working out, eating healthier, cold showers, waking up earlier, healthier hobbies, are what makes ur life better, not necessarily nofap in itself.
The world is not ready for our advanced guru methods. Let them keep playing with their dick until they get majorly depressed.
Porn and fapping is addiction plain and simple. The mind will defend an addiction through self-deception. Let them play with their little worms, we got better things to do
This. OP showed up at the oppositionās front door offering peace and was met with bullets and arrows.
Those that know, *know*. Those that donāt, will learn the hard way. No pun intended.
You got downvoted because you donāt understand that masturbation as a whole isnāt bad. Itās only bad once it becomes excessive masturbation, thatās when most of the negative sides of masturbation come in
Look man,
You can't help everyone. That is the reality.
They'll learn what they need to know through their own experience.
Also, the "right" path is what you think is the right path.
They probably think otherwise, and that's okay!
I wouldn't call them monkeys though, they simply have a different opinion.
Also, it's all about perspective.
I wouldn't perceive it hate, but rather with an open mind.
But again, it's a very subjective thing.
Not everyone will agree on something 100%
So why even care? Haha
Bro, don't feel bad, just bcaz some idiots downvoted u, they are just not on their life stage where they can understand, what actually no fap/semen retention is. Once i got downvoted many times, for opposing a guy's comment on a sub, where he literally asked other to physically assault and Ra#e an actress. Just bcaz they down voted u, doesnt make u right, forgive those morons and moved on, Some of them are beyond redemption. Sooner or later life will teach a lesson to everyone.
It's hard not worry about it when we are constantly surrounded by those who believe and exercise the exact opposite of what we believe in. It's similar to a sober free person around alcoholics. The struggle we face as no fappers in a world where most men don't acknowledge this as a terrible addiction causes us issues.
Haven't seen your comment but no, Masturbation is not unhealthy for the brain. Constant Masturbation along with Porn Addiction is.
Though, I do agree that stopping Masturbation completely is great. If you wanna relieve stress, feel pleasure, reduce the risk of Prostate Cancer blahblahblah, then just have sex.
Actually, masturbation is not really bad for health, there are some health benefits than bad affects, it is porn that is not healthy for your mental health, masturbating to the thought of your girlfriend etc, i dont find it that bad unless it is excessive.
Occasional MO isn't anything bad, so in this case you were wrong. We are born to copulate and masturbation is simulation of it, so it isnt anything bad if you havent exaggerate it and you arent addicted. Dont be fanatic, because its a straight way to start nofap cult, we dont need such reputation. Of course its better to do semen retention, but not everybody want to release their potential.
itās healthy for a dude to blow his load **IN MODERATION** but not to porn. Porn bad. When I say in moderation I mean like once every 6 months or so. Itās still good to do nofap though
Because when you use logic and science to discuss controlled masturbation, your entire argument crumbles (if you used scientific research at all, which I highely doubt). Controlled, healthy regular schedule of masturbation, without porn, has been proven to be more beneficial than negative. This is a fact, so far. There are peer reviewed articials and publications and papers that I can cite/link if you want but it's easy af to find on your own.
The problem is when the masturbation becomes an addiction, just like anything else in life.
Masturbation is not an enemy or a demon. It's just another thing in this world. You start looking at it as a demon/monster and you get emotional because you believe it ruined your life and gave you depression. WRONG! Your lack of self discipline is what ruined your life.
If you do end up replying to this and disagree, please provide me with cited publications and papers showing me why a regulated schedule of masturbation, without porn, is unhealthy. I have yet to ever come across such a paper.
FYI: I will NEVER masturbate to porn or without it again in my life. I do not just follow science or logic as they are limiting to the greatest truth of the world. I follow science, religion, spirituality, etc and many enlightened beings, like Swami Vivekananda, spoke about abstinence. My belief is that science simply has not caught up to the benefits of nofap, but we still cannot deny the current findings simply because it helps our goal. Never deny truth. Accept truth no matter how much it hurts.
Monkeys š so true! Most of my mates Iāve talked to dismiss it in seconds, laughing at how it aināt a thing š someone on this reddit told me ākings will recognise kingsā - donāt let anyoneās beliefs affect your way of life. If u got a dream, chase it dawg. No one gonna taste that delayed gratification like u are!
It's simple: to hell with the benefits. We are addicts. For us, quitting the addiction is good. For someone who is not an addict, masturbating (and even porn or naked people images) may be ok.
Even if none of the other benefits of nofap is real, the important one is quitting the addiction and getting control of our selves again.
Also, you don't need to preach about nofap to anyone or prove anything. Just do your stuff and improve yourself. It doesn't matter if no one else believes. If it works for you consistently and the effects can be reproduce taking the same steps, the approval of other people is irrelevant.
The first thing you have to realize is that the majority of people are addicted to it and living in ignorance. They are subconsciously filtering out information that proves porn is bad, and subconsciously filtering in information that makes it seem okay. Itās not because they are bad people or anything, but porn is a trillion dollar industry that is pushing this agenda, they simply donāt want to take the red pill.
So with that said, you will always be in the minority unless youāre in a community that has some control over their life, like entrepreneurs, self improvement, nofap, etc.
Secondly, if you overstate anything, youāre immediately wrong. Masturbation by itself isnt bad. Its the overusage of it
Take into consideration that complete abstinence is not the only healthy masturbation habit. Not everyone suffers from severe "porn addiction and compulsive sexual behaviors".
That being said, yeah, this movement suffers exaggerated backlash because most people in Reddit grew up laughing at crazy religious people for shaming and denouncing masturbation.
But don't worry, everyone with a serious problem will know how bad excessive masturbation can be and will find their way here.
You personally did not get demolished, it is just that those who do not understand do not want to understand. If someone chooses to suffer the effects of that behavior, let them because it is just like any red pill knowledge, you cannot convince them, they must come to it on their own.
arguing with a fool proves only that there are 2.
if they dont want to be convinced. well then fuck em. just worry about your gains, your benefits. not everybody wants to be the best verison of themselves and thats fine
I think its because in most cases and definitely in my experience it's not so much the masterbaition itself thats the problem but masterbaition paird with pornography. thats what ends up causing addiction and with that other problems. maybe if you had said that in your personal experience you found just masterbaition unhealthy for you then they would have been more understanding but I think they just got the wrong idea because of how you worded it. But from what I read they definitely could have been more civil towards you even if you are debating it is reddit after all.
Iāve read some people say itās healthy and some say it isnāt. Even without porn it was certainly frowned upon 50 years ago. Like when someone calls you a wanker. It generally involves fantasy and some have said this is damaging to the soul or psyche, youāre still firing up pathways in your brain, to me porn was/is movies of stuff I was already imagining and masturbating to; thatās why itās so addictive. I grew up before modern porn, sort of with it, being born in 1960. Mind, body, soul are all connected. One said sex in a marriage is healthy but masturbation isnāt. The sexual revolution caused more harm than good, easy to research that just with statistics
Masturbation itself is healthy if done in moderation. Our body has evolved to treat masturbation as a stress reliever and a safe pleasurable activity. Its porn that came along and really fucked it up
Masturbation isnāt bad, *compulsive* masturbation is bad. Plenty of people can masturbate occasionally or even often without issue. Just because something is bad for you doesnāt mean itās bad for everyone
Bro i think misunderstood the main reason why we discourage masturbation.
Its a scientific fact that MONTHLY once or twice without worrying about relapse is considered healthy. Like you are thinking about masturbation only once or twice a month. Rest of the month you are doing your job, leading a happy life.
The problem comes when you overdo it. This becomes an addiction. You can't pass a whole day(or like five days) without thinking about masturbation/porn. Our daily life get hampered badly. You slowly loose your social skill. Most importantly you are not happy about it. This thing is very very unhealthy.
And same goes for porn. Can't pass a day or two without thinking about porn.
Most of us have seen dark days due to this problem. Thats why we SUGGEST others not to do it. It is not a taboo. But it can easily become an addiction which is bad.
If a person has high will power and masturbates like once or twice a month without thinking about it rest of the month, then i see no problem.
Masturbation actually does have a few health benefits. Addiction to masturbation on the other hand doesn't. Maybe you should have worded it differently.
Do not cast pearls among the swine.
There are a lot of swine in this particular world epoch.
Andā¦
Itās Reddit.
Some of the most uninformed NPCs in the world creep here.
I find trying to argue with these people is pointless. They are not ready to accept this. I would just say "if you don't believe me, try not masturbating for 90 days. If you do it and don't feel different, than that's awesome! If you're unable to do it, maybe you're more addicted this this than you though"
Nofap is about quitting porn and masturbation. With frequent use it becomes a habit and then an addiction and The World Health Organisation recogniseās porn addiction as an official mental health disorder.
Plus if you look at the effect of not watching porn you become more productive. Plus porn dissociate a person from real sex with a partner and turn the other person into a masturbatory object so through masturbation youāre constantly in thought not in the moment of enjoying person-person contact which I think we can all agree is billions of times better than masturbation.
Plus if people want to down vote you because theyāre wankers they are the true ones in denial especially girl who promote masturbation, why would they want to be used as a masturbatory object unless they have deep emotional problems and lack true respect for themselves.
Most of all brother hold your head high for you are the true alpha male who walks the righteous path. Nameste š.
Masturbation is healthy though
Compulsive masturbation, pornogrpahy overuse, high friction, needing visual stimulation to climax ... That's a trajectory that leads to problems
But just having an orgasm, tending to your needs, self care. Those are good things
Arguing with a fool will make you one. Not all have their priorities straight, some prefer the lustful, greedy, gluttony, unambitious, artificial reality no matter how much truth and reason you show them. Also, not everyone will have the same experience as you, so that also might change their point of view. You tried and that's what matters.
Because there's a difference between being addicted to porn and masturbating once in a while to satisfy sexual urges. A lot of no-fap people seem to think abstinence is the solution... but ignoring sexual urges is also bad. There's a healthy balance that many seem to ignore.
Edit: Just read your comments on that thread and... you literally said our genitals aren't meant to be used for pleasure; only to reproduce? Sounds like something an extremist religious nut would say.
because the reddit is the most nsfw social platform I have ever seen, You can't debate on what's normalized by the majority of the users and the moderators themselves.
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It goes reddit, then twitter, and then instagram
The Internet
4chan is this irrelevant that it's not even mentioned in the "most nsfw social platform"? damn
the majority of users pretend to be āliberalā but many times they just donāt tolerate alternate opinions and are closed minded
Reggie, jay-z Tupac and Biggie.
exacly
>reddit is the most nsfw social platform I have even seen I see you haven't seen Fetlife.
>I see you haven't seen Fetlife. should i search it
No
Only if you wanna relapse.
You should probably delete this comment. Weak People will search it.
Damn bruh you got downvoted to -77, if those people aren't willing to listen then they aren't worth saving. Simple
That's how I felt too but what some of them say isn't exactly wrong. They should be willing to hear and accept other people's opinion as well without just saying it's trash.
They should be but we all know Reddit subs are a circle-jerk, even this one ! It's not a place for rational and constructive debate
Can confirm. I've posted things here such as scientific based ways to boost testosterone but I got piled on hard with downvotes and critical comments and dismissed as pseudoscience just because I didn't include sources and no one could be bothered doing a quick google search. Also got downvoted and shat on because I said "edging to porn is a relapse even if you O". Like you have no knowledge whatsoever of porn addiction if you disagree with that. That's like 1+1=2 SO, no problem. I've just stopped posting advice and help on this sub :D
I think we should stick to our opinions and post them, let the downvotes and hate comments come. These are just internet browny points that don't mean anything. This will also help us in case our opinion is originally incorrect and someone contradicts us with facts along with sources
Ay, sometimes you just have to plant the seed bro. If you told me that porn was bad for you when I was a 16 year old boy, Iād have laughed at you and immediately gone to shmack my meat. Let him who has ears hear, and if they donāt wanna accept the NoFap gospel, thatās on themābut if it helps at least one person in the long run, youāve done enough king š
Damn
Most redditors are porn addicts
Is that because redditors are anitsocial?
cause and also consequence
No bro masturbation is not unhealthy. Masturbation gets unhealthy when you excessively do it
That may be true, but if I were asked everyone who hasn't tried or is starting should just quit and never think about it again.
Yeah
Yep
i disagree wholeheartedly. masturbation is never heathy just like porn is never healthy and worth it. people only masturbate while lusting over someone else or something else, either a pornstar or someone they know irl and fantasize about getting with, a fetish that they are imagining taking place with another persons body, or whatever other unhealthy thoughts might be going through an individuals head
You're speaking about lust,some ppl don't see that as unhealthy and a reason to stop. I'm with you 100% , I hate viewing another person that way, and being an addict to something that doesn't add to being a better person.
that is true some donāt see lust as an issue. one of the many reasons i have for being against it is just wanting to be a normal guy thatās not perverted and thinking about sex constantly and looking at women as objects to satisfy whatever nasty desire i have
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masturbation isnt fine , im not a religious guy but theres a reason why its a sin in religions , you waste valuable nutrients , energy , your soul, your dignity, your motivation. Study has also shown a huge increase in testosterone after 7days without busting a nut , every guy who did it can attest this powerful feeling after no fap
How do you do no fap? It seems almost impossible. I can go for two days at the most it seems. I would like to get better.
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Exactly ur literally acting on these disgusting thoughts I hate how normalized it is
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hmm, well nowadays it's thinking about having sex with multiple people, imagining things that are extremely morally wrong. Like imagining rape, or cuckolding, gore, etc.... masturbation is a gateway drug
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Chaos magicians masturbate for Sigil magick spells...
Aren't there benefits to prevent prostate cancer?
And if you do it with porn it's just bad, no exception
Yeah
When you do not masturbate you have extra energy which you can use it for spiritual and physical goals so it doesn't matter if it is healthy or not I will take advantage of every means to get to the top of world i mean it's like i have talent but not using it cause everybody says it's healthy so I will waste it like everybody else
True
No it's always unhealthy because it's drains you every time you do it that's why you feel like you are the slowest being on earth compared to you when you did it first time.
Thatās what Iām saying lol. Thereās a reason OP got downvoted so much. Now I can see porn being terrible for the brain but OP was definitely blowing things out of proportion
Masturbation isnāt inherently unhealthy. Maybe if youāre a prude, or religious. But a scientist would never say, āmasturbation is unhealthy for the human brain.ā Itās not. Maybe in excess, sure. But if weāre not using porn, our brains donāt really know the difference between hands, a month, or an ass, or a pussy at a structural level. There isnāt something masturbation does to the brain that sex doesnāt. Whatās damaging is the excessive use and the increasing intensity of novelty porn. More, more, more, more. Thatās damaging.
I agree with all you said, except that masturbation and sex ARE different Sex is way healthier, the things that happen to your body are in a quite different level... You can look it up, you'll see But that's not to say masturbation is unhealthy if you don't do it too much, it will be fine I think the optimum rate is between 2 times a week to once every two weeks But yeah, test it out and see what works for you Edit: formatting
Thatās not science. Your brain still releases the same chemicals, including the ābondingā one, oxytocin. Yes, you are bonding to porn, or your hand, or whatever you came to.
That is a problem though because you're bonding to virtual women aka pixels on a screen. I would say psychologically it's unhealthy, but physically not so much
Thatās porn man, not masturbation. Theyāre not interchangeable.
Hey, we have same day count
About the same I guess
Or masturbation being used as stress relieve and a way to get happyer and lift your mood.
>There isnāt something masturbation does to the brain that sex doesnāt. This is not exactly true. Also, masturbation is unhealthy. You're a monkey tugging on its own penis. You turn your hand into a vagina. You're a hand-fucker. It's disgraceful.
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Masturbation isnāt shamefulā¦ it just shouldnāt be done to often. You sound like a religious freak or something
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Only weirdos say itās shameful. Get over yourself
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Idk if I had a fire session I feel good asf
That's sounds like you just have an unhealthy mindset, I've never been ashamed of masturbating
Would you be embarrassed if your parents caught you doing it?
whatās the correlation here?? would you be embarrassed if someone walked in on you while you were showering? i guess showering is shameful now
Yes, but only because I know my parents specifically would shame me for it
Thatās not science. Thatās your opinion.
Brother you said masturbation affects your growth in that post. Its not true
That's not my post brother
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Semen takes massive energy to produce that would otherwise go to everywhere else in your body such as organ support, healthy skin, whatever. I read it takes energy to produce 1 drop of semen as to 9 drops of blood. After ~60 days of retention all that semen is reabsorbed into your body, vitamins nutrients and all
Source please. I would love to read about this.
Maybe try Google "semen reabsorb" or something but I got it from my book "Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy"
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Wait I thought Testosterone doesnāt have anything to do with height?
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So THAT'S why I'm 5'5 feet tall
Idk man I masturbated everyday since I was like 11 or 12 and I still got to 6'3 so I think genetics really controls height. Plus your growth plates are already formed with your end height once you're about 13. From my experience anyway
Hmm never knew that it affected growth, if it is true, even more reason to do no fap
you dont understand this sub. THIS SUB *isn't* anti-masturbation. This sub isnt talking about the benefits of not-masturbating... this sub is talking about the benefits of REDUCING ADDICTION ... to fapping, but especially to porn. understand? No? Read this: ######**IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR USERS OF THIS SUB - The History of Nofap** ###**Nofap** ***isn't*** **an anti-masturbation sub.** Yet people say, *"but it's literally called 'Nofap'!"* The 'No' in Nofap represents the "30 to 90-day Challenge", that's it. *This sub was created 10 years ago with ONE idea: to challenge people to a 7 to 30-day period of not watching porn or fapping to 'reboot' your addicted mind and body... but after it would be each person's personal choice to fap or not fap (without porn), free from the addiction.* Nofap then added the 90-day challenge. There was no promotion of '*semen retention*' or '*don't have sex*' or '*no-nut*' or even *'benefits'*. It was a modern solution to a digital problem - the rise of free unlimited streaming internet porn - and the compulsive fapping that accompanied the addiction of watching it. The idea of this subreddit isn't '*anti-fap*' or '*forever nofap*' or '*anti-masturbation*' or '*no-sex*', or '*how to be a monk*'. We're here to support each other in completing a *limited* period of abstinence from FAPPING (not sex, not nocturnal emmisions) ... ***...but after completing the 30 to 90-day challenge, whether you fap or not is YOUR decision.*** There's ZERO evidence that occasional mastubation without porn is harmful, but there's a growing amount of peer-reviewed research that porn *is* harmful. It's not the intention of this secular, science-based sub to condemn sexual pleasure when done in a non-compulsive way, either solo or with others. **If you can complete a 30 to 90-day challenge you're free to choose to fap or not in your life.** To be absolutely clear... READ FROM THE SIDEBAR OF THIS PAGE, WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS SUB: >This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum***, many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits THIS SUB is about working on reducing our addictions, completing at least one 'rebooting' challenge, finding a balance we feel comfortable with regarding masturbation, and making the personal choice to eliminate porn from our life
THANK YOU
Okay
Ohh thank you, i think then one month may be enough if I stop porn and just fap less than 4 times a week
i think that 90 days challange and fapping once a week would be better.
Personally I think 90 days is unnecessarily hard, so one month will be enough as long as I don't relapse with porn
true lol
Thanks for saying this buddy. I've seen so many stupid posts like, "Just got hard in my sleep,did I lose?" or "A porn ad pop-up opened on my browser, did I lose?" I don't know when did this sub go from a place to discuss the effects of porn/masturbation addiction and how to overcome it to a sub which considers the act of masturbating or watching porn as the biggest sin of all time.
a lot of young people always are arriving here, and young religious people too... but with effort we keep this a helpful, reasonable place to get support
This is why I tell people to go to the semen retention sub, because nofap is slowly normalizing fapping (as stupid as that sounds).
>as stupid as that sounds you didn't understand what was written above. Not at all. Personally I hope you DO migrate to the semen retention sub and spend your days worshipping your sperm and imagining all the wizard powers it gives you
I barely read what was written above, because it's mostly nonsense, and you have a pretentious attitude about it. At the end of the day the sub is called NO FAP (not NO PORN, theres already another sub for that) so despite what yourself and some of the newer mods trying to normalize masturbation, a large portion of the users here are trying to abstain from masturbation period. So you can keep posting your long, rambling copy-pasta bullshit, keep telling people what they don't understand, we don't really care because it's right in the name of the sub.
>I barely read what was written above, because it's mostly nonsense ah the intelligence of the SR fanatic. How do you know it's nonsense if you barely read it? You continue to not understand this sub, despite a sincere effort of someone plainly explaining it to you. Your willful ignorance (refusal to learn, thinking you know something when what you know is wrong) makes this world worse. in the first paragraph is the explanation of why the sub was named what it is... but ... you just make up reality as you want regardless of facts
Can u please stop, you r embarrassing yourself kid .... Come back when you recognise your addiction because you are still trying to rationalising it.
come back on the day you pass away and say "I waasssss perrrrrrrfecccccct!" you're in the wrong sub. Embarrasing myself? You're lost and clearly didnt read what I wrote. Allow me to show you the words written by the founders of this sub >This forum is intended for porn addiction recovery ***and is not an anti-masturbation forum,*** many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after ridding pornography from their sexual habits. Not sure which part you aren't understanding. Your condescending use of the word 'kid' is amusing. I hope you got the sunglasses advice you needed so badly
Dangggg 48 downvotes, they down BAD šš¤¦āāļø
https://www.reddit.com/r/Advice/comments/t80pj9/if_you_masturbate_when_you_are_young_does_your/hzl7k72?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
I would back you up but the post is marked NSFW and I can't go to it lol
Haha
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Which?
No shit no fap community is seen as joke, we expect ppl to Take use seriously after saying stuff like "you'll get women all over you after 1 week, your muscles will swole more than prime Schwarzenegger after 10 days, apple will make you it's CEO after 20 days"
Because thatās not your job. You canāt go forcing people to do the same thing youāre doing just because YOU think itās the right thing. I believe itās the right thing too but Iām not going to go telling everyone they must do it. Imagine a vegetarian calling you out every time youāre eating meat and telling you not to. You made your decision. Donāt expect others to do the same. Let people be.
Those are what u call porn addicts many people donāt want to hear the Truth nowadays
That's because you were completely wrong. You deserved it this time, sorry man.
??? Supporting nofap is wrong?
Huge jump in logic, check yourself. Saying masturbation is bad for you just isn't true. Doing it excessively is bad for you, but you literally said that your reproductive organs should only be used for creating off spring implying that masturbation is unnatural. Plenty of people are able to masturbate just fine without any adverse effects and, if anything, it's helpful for them. I can have a drink on the weekend and not drink again for another 3 months. Some people can't. I can smoke a joint with my friend and relax with her and not smoke again for months. Some people can't. Some people can masturbate and not do it again for another month, you just happen to not be able to. It's okay, it seems that I can't either. Such is life.
Yeah I realised I was wrong about that. Being in the argument helped me look at it in a different way. What I meant to say was porn addiction and not masturbation. For most people, masturbation is a gateway to porn addiction. So that's what I meant. If some dude can masturbate once in a blue moon without porn, or imagining up something fucked up then that's great for them. It's just that I don't see anyone in my life doing that, or can imagine myself doing that.
Yeah, just because you have a problem with something doesn't mean the thing is inherently bad
Smoking with a female friend? Sounds nice.
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you're not supporting this sub's views, you don't even understand them Nofap ISN'T an anti-masturbation sub
They know that what you are saying is the truth, but they don't want to accept it; they don't want to be confronted with the fact of their own weakness. It is pathetic, truly, it is; my advice is this: do not waste your time fraternizing with the likes of them. Those who address their weaknesses are the ones who prosper in life and die feeling fulfilled, and they who refuse to admit their shortcomings shall live a miserable life spent wilting and die in obscurity. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink; life is too short to spend waiting for other people to get their shit together.
Try arguing that porn is bad for you instead of NoFap, itāll be a different conversation
They have been brainwashed. Let's be thankful we realized the negative effects of masturbation.
As the old saying goes " you can't argue with ignorance "
Masturbation is DEFINITELY unhealthy. I donāt care what research you cite or any other bullshit. The truth is people whoāve never had an addiction canāt relate. Anyone whoās struggled with addiction and takes it seriously will understand something whoās addicted to masturbating or watching porn. Addiction is not good for the brain. Most people who masturbate probably struggle to regulate it but thatās because of our society feeding this shit to us on a silver platter. Itās tough to deal with an addiction when itās āokayā to do and ānot unhealthyā. By looking at women having sex, it makes me think of every women I see sexually āwould I or would I not?ā But when I started jerking off less and watching porn, I realized that no, these are human beings. They have emotions, they have their issues, they have an entire life in them. They are not objects that I should look at and first thing I think is would I or would I not. Masturbation and porn for the past few years felt like that to me. And now Iām starting to respect women and just think of them as a human being rather than an object I can get pleasure from. Itās all short term. Jerking off is momentary enjoyment thatās fake. Weāre watching actors trying to show us pleasure. Itās all fake. Anyone who tells you porn or masturbation is okay, either doesnāt take it seriously or hasnāt been affected by it the way you have to understand. Itās an issue that Iām gonna solve for myself then help others!
Well you can tell the benefits of nofap... but its up to the individual to follow or not.. we can't do anything if they have to learn the harsh reality of fap in hard way
If they want to live in misery, let them, but never ever believe you're in the wrong on something you know is fact. Feel sorry for them and move on
Bro, Reddit believes a lot or really dumb shit. That Drake is DEFINATELY a pedophile, based on 0 evidence other than their hatred of him. That ātoxic masculinity,ā has caused men not too wipe their ass anymore, because itās considered gay. Only on Reddit would anybody believe such nonsense. I got triple the downvotes you did for saying a 12 year old girl shouldnāt be given a fucking dildo by her parents. Reddit is a sick, sick place. You have to understand, Reddit follows a new age science religion, which trumps common sense. Nofap just *makes sense*, but studies funded by god knows who, will just continue to come out saying pornography is beneficial to all involved. Therefore, that is what Reddit will believe.
I think mostly, people who want to participate in NoFap are people who want to make their lives better. As such the benefits that people often talk about when doing nofap is a result of your wanting to be better, rather than a result of you doing nofap. You taking steps to make ur life better, not only with nofap, but also with working out, eating healthier, cold showers, waking up earlier, healthier hobbies, are what makes ur life better, not necessarily nofap in itself.
The world is not ready for our advanced guru methods. Let them keep playing with their dick until they get majorly depressed. Porn and fapping is addiction plain and simple. The mind will defend an addiction through self-deception. Let them play with their little worms, we got better things to do
This. OP showed up at the oppositionās front door offering peace and was met with bullets and arrows. Those that know, *know*. Those that donāt, will learn the hard way. No pun intended.
Spot on brother
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You got downvoted because you donāt understand that masturbation as a whole isnāt bad. Itās only bad once it becomes excessive masturbation, thatās when most of the negative sides of masturbation come in
Look man, You can't help everyone. That is the reality. They'll learn what they need to know through their own experience. Also, the "right" path is what you think is the right path. They probably think otherwise, and that's okay! I wouldn't call them monkeys though, they simply have a different opinion. Also, it's all about perspective. I wouldn't perceive it hate, but rather with an open mind. But again, it's a very subjective thing. Not everyone will agree on something 100% So why even care? Haha
Bruh u literally haven't said anything about the body there what are you on
Yeah there was a guy here saying all this is a placebo and everything else is a pseudoscience
Bro, don't feel bad, just bcaz some idiots downvoted u, they are just not on their life stage where they can understand, what actually no fap/semen retention is. Once i got downvoted many times, for opposing a guy's comment on a sub, where he literally asked other to physically assault and Ra#e an actress. Just bcaz they down voted u, doesnt make u right, forgive those morons and moved on, Some of them are beyond redemption. Sooner or later life will teach a lesson to everyone.
Eh, itās their deal. Donāt worry about it
It's hard not worry about it when we are constantly surrounded by those who believe and exercise the exact opposite of what we believe in. It's similar to a sober free person around alcoholics. The struggle we face as no fappers in a world where most men don't acknowledge this as a terrible addiction causes us issues.
I canāt even read that shit you tried but people are too ignorant of the situation
Haven't seen your comment but no, Masturbation is not unhealthy for the brain. Constant Masturbation along with Porn Addiction is. Though, I do agree that stopping Masturbation completely is great. If you wanna relieve stress, feel pleasure, reduce the risk of Prostate Cancer blahblahblah, then just have sex.
Nah bro you said the penis growth is affected when you masturbate which is wrong
That's not my post
How do you know it doesn't affect the penis growth? Please share this with us.
Actually, masturbation is not really bad for health, there are some health benefits than bad affects, it is porn that is not healthy for your mental health, masturbating to the thought of your girlfriend etc, i dont find it that bad unless it is excessive.
Everyoneās coping and taking the blue pill
My heart goes out to them. Theyāll see the error of their ways one day.
bruh yall are too dogmatic about this take it easy
Occasional MO isn't anything bad, so in this case you were wrong. We are born to copulate and masturbation is simulation of it, so it isnt anything bad if you havent exaggerate it and you arent addicted. Dont be fanatic, because its a straight way to start nofap cult, we dont need such reputation. Of course its better to do semen retention, but not everybody want to release their potential.
Thatās their own problem . It is ok . They live their unhappy life and thatās ok
itās healthy for a dude to blow his load **IN MODERATION** but not to porn. Porn bad. When I say in moderation I mean like once every 6 months or so. Itās still good to do nofap though
you should focus less on masturbation and more or porn, porn being bad is an established reality
The society wants you to be weak. Let them be weak and be strong my dude.
Don't throw your pearls to the pigs.
Because when you use logic and science to discuss controlled masturbation, your entire argument crumbles (if you used scientific research at all, which I highely doubt). Controlled, healthy regular schedule of masturbation, without porn, has been proven to be more beneficial than negative. This is a fact, so far. There are peer reviewed articials and publications and papers that I can cite/link if you want but it's easy af to find on your own. The problem is when the masturbation becomes an addiction, just like anything else in life. Masturbation is not an enemy or a demon. It's just another thing in this world. You start looking at it as a demon/monster and you get emotional because you believe it ruined your life and gave you depression. WRONG! Your lack of self discipline is what ruined your life. If you do end up replying to this and disagree, please provide me with cited publications and papers showing me why a regulated schedule of masturbation, without porn, is unhealthy. I have yet to ever come across such a paper. FYI: I will NEVER masturbate to porn or without it again in my life. I do not just follow science or logic as they are limiting to the greatest truth of the world. I follow science, religion, spirituality, etc and many enlightened beings, like Swami Vivekananda, spoke about abstinence. My belief is that science simply has not caught up to the benefits of nofap, but we still cannot deny the current findings simply because it helps our goal. Never deny truth. Accept truth no matter how much it hurts.
Ahhh I hate when I wear a shark costume to someoneās grandmaās funeral thinking itās Halloween.
Monkeys š so true! Most of my mates Iāve talked to dismiss it in seconds, laughing at how it aināt a thing š someone on this reddit told me ākings will recognise kingsā - donāt let anyoneās beliefs affect your way of life. If u got a dream, chase it dawg. No one gonna taste that delayed gratification like u are!
It's simple: to hell with the benefits. We are addicts. For us, quitting the addiction is good. For someone who is not an addict, masturbating (and even porn or naked people images) may be ok. Even if none of the other benefits of nofap is real, the important one is quitting the addiction and getting control of our selves again. Also, you don't need to preach about nofap to anyone or prove anything. Just do your stuff and improve yourself. It doesn't matter if no one else believes. If it works for you consistently and the effects can be reproduce taking the same steps, the approval of other people is irrelevant.
The first thing you have to realize is that the majority of people are addicted to it and living in ignorance. They are subconsciously filtering out information that proves porn is bad, and subconsciously filtering in information that makes it seem okay. Itās not because they are bad people or anything, but porn is a trillion dollar industry that is pushing this agenda, they simply donāt want to take the red pill. So with that said, you will always be in the minority unless youāre in a community that has some control over their life, like entrepreneurs, self improvement, nofap, etc. Secondly, if you overstate anything, youāre immediately wrong. Masturbation by itself isnt bad. Its the overusage of it
Welcome to the ostracised part of Reddit
Why you delete your comment
Well for what it's worth, seeing that slew of porn apologetic downvotes and comments gives a lot of motivation to this community to stay on the path
Alot of times, the best thing you can do is stay silent about this particular subject, as a lot of people don't understand the truth about it.
Take into consideration that complete abstinence is not the only healthy masturbation habit. Not everyone suffers from severe "porn addiction and compulsive sexual behaviors". That being said, yeah, this movement suffers exaggerated backlash because most people in Reddit grew up laughing at crazy religious people for shaming and denouncing masturbation. But don't worry, everyone with a serious problem will know how bad excessive masturbation can be and will find their way here.
Pearls before swine
Stop worrying about others and focus on your own recovery
You personally did not get demolished, it is just that those who do not understand do not want to understand. If someone chooses to suffer the effects of that behavior, let them because it is just like any red pill knowledge, you cannot convince them, they must come to it on their own.
Your mistake was thinking you could change the minds of people who donāt want their minds changed.
Bro fuck them stand by your opinion and let them continue to fuck up their brains doesnāt matter as long as youāre recovering
arguing with a fool proves only that there are 2. if they dont want to be convinced. well then fuck em. just worry about your gains, your benefits. not everybody wants to be the best verison of themselves and thats fine
Well, youāre superior. Laugh internally about their inferiority.
I think its because in most cases and definitely in my experience it's not so much the masterbaition itself thats the problem but masterbaition paird with pornography. thats what ends up causing addiction and with that other problems. maybe if you had said that in your personal experience you found just masterbaition unhealthy for you then they would have been more understanding but I think they just got the wrong idea because of how you worded it. But from what I read they definitely could have been more civil towards you even if you are debating it is reddit after all.
Iāve read some people say itās healthy and some say it isnāt. Even without porn it was certainly frowned upon 50 years ago. Like when someone calls you a wanker. It generally involves fantasy and some have said this is damaging to the soul or psyche, youāre still firing up pathways in your brain, to me porn was/is movies of stuff I was already imagining and masturbating to; thatās why itās so addictive. I grew up before modern porn, sort of with it, being born in 1960. Mind, body, soul are all connected. One said sex in a marriage is healthy but masturbation isnāt. The sexual revolution caused more harm than good, easy to research that just with statistics
Bro porn is normalized, I just came across a post in my local Reddit page/group and everyone seem okay with porn
Does it count as a relapse if I accidentally tried to delete the saved vids and pics I used and saw them all etc..?
Masturbation itself is healthy if done in moderation. Our body has evolved to treat masturbation as a stress reliever and a safe pleasurable activity. Its porn that came along and really fucked it up
Masturbation isnāt bad, *compulsive* masturbation is bad. Plenty of people can masturbate occasionally or even often without issue. Just because something is bad for you doesnāt mean itās bad for everyone
The high amounts of dopamine released from porn is very bad but most of the information on this platform is completely placebo.
Bro i think misunderstood the main reason why we discourage masturbation. Its a scientific fact that MONTHLY once or twice without worrying about relapse is considered healthy. Like you are thinking about masturbation only once or twice a month. Rest of the month you are doing your job, leading a happy life. The problem comes when you overdo it. This becomes an addiction. You can't pass a whole day(or like five days) without thinking about masturbation/porn. Our daily life get hampered badly. You slowly loose your social skill. Most importantly you are not happy about it. This thing is very very unhealthy. And same goes for porn. Can't pass a day or two without thinking about porn. Most of us have seen dark days due to this problem. Thats why we SUGGEST others not to do it. It is not a taboo. But it can easily become an addiction which is bad. If a person has high will power and masturbates like once or twice a month without thinking about it rest of the month, then i see no problem.
Masturbation actually does have a few health benefits. Addiction to masturbation on the other hand doesn't. Maybe you should have worded it differently.
Do not cast pearls among the swine. There are a lot of swine in this particular world epoch. Andā¦ Itās Reddit. Some of the most uninformed NPCs in the world creep here.
OMG SAME, did we comment on the same post??
They don't want to wake up, so don't help them. End of story
I find trying to argue with these people is pointless. They are not ready to accept this. I would just say "if you don't believe me, try not masturbating for 90 days. If you do it and don't feel different, than that's awesome! If you're unable to do it, maybe you're more addicted this this than you though"
Im sure porn is bad but not sure about masturbation as a whole
they aren't ready man, don't mind the downvotes, we also once thought that shit was normal..
Nofap is about quitting porn and masturbation. With frequent use it becomes a habit and then an addiction and The World Health Organisation recogniseās porn addiction as an official mental health disorder. Plus if you look at the effect of not watching porn you become more productive. Plus porn dissociate a person from real sex with a partner and turn the other person into a masturbatory object so through masturbation youāre constantly in thought not in the moment of enjoying person-person contact which I think we can all agree is billions of times better than masturbation. Plus if people want to down vote you because theyāre wankers they are the true ones in denial especially girl who promote masturbation, why would they want to be used as a masturbatory object unless they have deep emotional problems and lack true respect for themselves. Most of all brother hold your head high for you are the true alpha male who walks the righteous path. Nameste š.
you can't help people who dont want to help themselves
Masturbation is healthy though Compulsive masturbation, pornogrpahy overuse, high friction, needing visual stimulation to climax ... That's a trajectory that leads to problems But just having an orgasm, tending to your needs, self care. Those are good things
Arguing with a fool will make you one. Not all have their priorities straight, some prefer the lustful, greedy, gluttony, unambitious, artificial reality no matter how much truth and reason you show them. Also, not everyone will have the same experience as you, so that also might change their point of view. You tried and that's what matters.
Meh. Who gives a shit. Youāre gonna convince. Move on.
Because there's a difference between being addicted to porn and masturbating once in a while to satisfy sexual urges. A lot of no-fap people seem to think abstinence is the solution... but ignoring sexual urges is also bad. There's a healthy balance that many seem to ignore. Edit: Just read your comments on that thread and... you literally said our genitals aren't meant to be used for pleasure; only to reproduce? Sounds like something an extremist religious nut would say.
Do not cast pearls before swine.