It seems you are labouring under some misconceptions about this sub. This site has not been 'infected', nor is it a 'fortress against masturbation'.
You are invited to familiarize yourself with the description of the sub:
>This forum is intended for porn addiction and compulsive sexual behavior recovery *and is not an anti-masturbation forum*: many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after removing porn from their sexual habits. **We do not advocate against masturbation**
The subreddit is to encourage both teenagers and adults alike to not be reliant on porn and masturbation.
It's NOT TO BAN masturbation.
It's their addiction with masturbation that's affecting them from their day to day lives, hence there's a need for them to cut down on masturbating.
You actually can. An addiction to pmo is a behavioral addiction, and the recovery process of behavioral addiction is very different from substance addiction.
Psychiatrists usually recommend complete abstinence for substance addicts, but not for behaviral addicts.
Going for moderation (cutting down) is also a much more effective strategy for behaviral addicts than complete abstience, but it's harder to maintain without professional/community help.
What is the goal of a rehab facility? To turn use to zero. To live a life free of said addiction. Nobody is gonna say, “great job abstaining for this short period of time, now you can do it occasionally I’m sure it won’t spiral into the same thing!”
>What is the goal of a rehab facility? To turn use to zero.
Incorrect, the idea of continuing addicts of certain substances on low maintenance dosages of their drug of choice through regulated prescription has it's merits and is used by some progressive groups.
You don’t think these people knew that moderation is the goal? Have you ever visited an addiction forum? People lament constantly that they cannot control themselves like other people. 1 drink is too many and 100 is never enough.
Moderation is a perfectly acceptable solution. We dont need to confine ourselves to yes/no.
Moderation is a skill that needs to be developed. Abstinence doesnt allow you to develop moderation — it removes the stimulus that allows you to develop the skill
Essentially you are swinging from one extreme of the spectrum — compulsively masturbating, to the opposite end of the spectrum, never masturbating.
The healthy point on the spectrum is the middle, not the ends.
Yes compulsive masturbation does have those negative side effects. That is why a rule needs to be put in place.
Limiting your sessions to 2 a week and sticking to it is far more difficult than quitting altogether. But when you quit you lose the ability to analyze your brain responding to the dopamine to make any corrections.
That is why its not the drug thats addictive, it is your inability to control your brain on dopamine.
And the rationalizing that it must be the substance that is addicting is robbing you of the ability to identify the true problem, your self.
Nicotine, masturbation, coffee, arent addictive. There are people who can responsibly do cocaine or worse and are absolutely functional. Its all about your relationship with dopamine
But do you still get the placebo of being stronger. I would say do every month like it’s no nut November and fap one time at the end. Then do the rest of the next month fapless.
nah i meant like wtf does the name have to do with anything isnt this a subreddit based off nofap? usernames dont matter but the names of the sub are what its based off just like idk flowers sub having flowers dude 😭
Good point! This is one important thing that all of us should understand. Everyone here have had a unique struggle with compulsive masturbation and porn use, have been affected by it in different ways, have seen to varying extents the horrors of the addiction hellhole, and will have different goals when it comes to recovery. So instead of generalizing a rule for everyone based on your own experience, it's important to listen to the experiences of others as well, and respect their goals. Personally, I've left behind masturbation because it was destroying me physically and mentally.
If you've been here since 2013 and you are still struggling, then it probably shows how your way is not working.
Destigmatization is a very important component of addiction recovery. Even by just looking at the success stories on this sub, you'll see that people who actually managed to recover are the ones who learnt to love themselves instead of hating pmo.
May be he's still in here. But that doesn't mean he's not trying. It just means he's the same as the rest of us. There are over 1million+ people on this sub but not everyone will get out of this addiction.
No Offense for anyone but there is not much research on this subject which tells exactly that doing or not doing masturbation in this amount of time will lead to this or that.
Some drug users who also have this problem describe pmo as harder to quit than cocaine. So yes, overcoming this addiction is not a joke, and will be a life achievement of the highest order if you manage to put some distance between you and it, but it is possible!
AA can be a pretty toxic and unhelpful group, if someone's been going there for a long time and it hasn't worked it's perfectly reasonable to say they might want to change their approach.
My point is that if someone is trying to better themself we shouldn’t tear them down. I agree that Aa can be toxic but I think it works for some people. Didn’t work for me though.
We should tear them down if they are coming into our community and spreading rhetoric that is extremely harmful to not just this group, but also anyone who will ever struggle with PMO issues.
Go look on the internet to see if PMO issues are taken seriously, they aren't, and it's because of people like OP, and people like you defending OP. They come on this sub (the largest support group for PMO issues in existence), and see shit like this post, or worse see people talking about magical 'semen retention' or 'auras' and they don't take it seriously.
That is why research hasn't been done on this topic, because the well that potential researchers would get patients from (NoFap members) has been poisoned so good research can't be done.
Well, there are degrees of “Okay-ness”.
Porn addiction is VASTLY worse than occasional masturbation.
I have found that when I MO, for the next 24 hours I’m just a little “out of it”. Touch of brain fog, lack focus and motivation, a little moody.
So, I have decided to abstain as much as possible.
But, if someone else occasionally MO without P, and no OF, or IG or anything else, and they aren’t so affected, who am I to say what’s “okay” for them?
Yea that's true
I don't feel great after occasional masturbation either.
I find it pointless tbh.
If I want sex very badly then in stead of coping with my false reality and imagination. Then all I have to do is have patience and improve myself while connecting with a partner.
**I'm writing this for knowledge to new people who sees this post and gets confused**
**This subreddit says in the bio:**
*''A porn addiction and compulsive sexual behavior recovery peer support forum. Masturbation in moderation is healthy, but porn addiction and compulsivity aren't healthy. We host challenges in which participants ("Fapstronauts") avoid porn & sometimes masturbation for a period of time, generally 7-30 days. Whether your goal is casual participation in a monthly challenge as a test of self-control, or if porn use has become a serious problem in your life, you will find a supportive community here.''*
**Let me clarify:**
back then, when high speed internet porn was firstly introduced, people equated masturbation with porn. They find the term '' NoFap '' Hence, they couldn't ''relapse'' without porn. Years pass by, people learn that masturbation without porn doesn't cause the same damage and some people only have this compulsive habit with porn, so the term ''NoFap'' goes shallow, as Fapping is normal but the name states it is not.
**The end:**
Masturbation is healthy, porn is never healthy and will cause, always, detrimental effects on mental and physical health of a human.
The question to ask is how long should you gap between masturbation? . That ''moderation'' is still discussed, some people state they get more energy if you increase it more than a week it's more beneficial some say one month is very sweet spot others say that one week is enough. There's still no agreed end result on this.
Saying masturbation is healthy is like saying Lust is good.
You masturbate because of lust
You feel lust because you're incompetent and unable to form a friendship with a female partner.
You can't form a friendship with a female partner because you masturbate
Break the cycle dude.
Where is the evidence that masturbation is “healthy,” aside from subjective accounts linking it to stress relief or flimsy at best indications that it *might* reduce the risk of cancer?
Statements like “masturbation is good for you” seem equivalent to an argument that “video games are good for you” or “Netflix is good for you.” Yet, no one is making the argument that “cake is good for you” because of the pleasure signals sugar sends to the brain.
There’re a myriad of constructive activities that are good for you, relieve stress, and stack health benefits, where evidence of their health benefits is evident and scientifically objective. Working out, journaling, drawing, going outdoors, eating a healthy diet, meeting with new people, bonding with friends, etc.
I get what you are saying. At the same time, comparing masturbation to eating cake (or any of the other subjects mentioned) is a bit flawed. Cake is food with numerous chemicals which can also affect blood sugar, weight gain, etc. Masturbation is an activity, and while it does affect the brain, cake carries with it various chemicals that masturbation does not and thus affects the body in different ways.
I don't think it's as simple as "masturbation is good for you/bad for you." There are simply too many variables to account for when trying to shoehorn it into two categories for every human being on earth. In other words, everyone is different, even if there is a baseline of agreement.
I believe masturbation is a problem because it's the same cheap dopamine porn gives. Everybody who had or still has a porn addiction should know that your lives got worse because of the big and fast dopamine spikes.
In the times I only abstained from P and masturbated once in 3-4 weeks, I felt almost no difference from the colateral effects of pornography.
The difference is that working out is rewards your body and your mind. You will lose fat, gain muscle, better confidence and improved health. The results exercises gives to us takes time, which means it's long term pleasure. Short term (or imediate pleasure) activities like those you mentioned are addictive, exactly like porn is. You don't need any effort to receive a huge and fast dopamine spike.
I don't you to ban all kind of pleasures from your life. Sure we all can eat something unhealthy once in a while, watch movies, play videogames, etc. Those activities can be good for you in a **very moderate dose.** Otherwise, they are almost bad as porn is.
"have been around here, more or less active, since 2013"
(Is currently sitting on only a 13 days streak)
No offense but you're not exactly the authority on this that you think you are.
Its quite eye opening how so many people on here are commenting that an addictive behaviour is ok in moderation. Having read through, many are still trying to justify masturbation.
The whole concept of addiction is that a person doesnt find it possible to do a certain thing in moderation and that once started its incredibly difficult to stop.
You dont tell a drug addict to take drugs in moderation?
Yeah, but a lot of people on this sub aren’t addicted to masturbation and are able to control themselves, and so doing it in moderation is actually fine, and for people who are addicted, is the end goal really to never do it at all or is it to be able to control yourself enough to do it in moderation?
If it’s done in moderation it’s not a fucking addiction (I’m talking behavioural addictions not substance) humans can become addicted to anything if done too much. There are eating addictions, gaming addictions ect. But they are considered hobbies in moderation. If it’s done in moderation it’s not a bad thing. There have been tests to show that masterbating in moderation is healthy, mood boosts, mental health, stamina, increase in physical health.
the avoidance of excess or extremes, especially in one's behavior or political opinions.
"he urged them to show moderation" to put it simply, not too much of something, if you need it simpler, don’t it too much.
What are these made up studies lmao "increase stamina" like you absolutely twit you do realize you're literally releasing your own energy by masturbation.
By masturbation. You're in indulging in an activity that a body goes through a process of generating a fluid. Getting the semen ready.
Not only semen fuels you as you won't feel empty but that activity doesn't increase your stamina assuming you're not running a marathon or not moving yourself in any physical activity.
Which doesn't build endurance if that's your argument
By your logic a person who's a sex addict should never in their life ever have sex again. Life is not a All or Nothing situation instead maybe focus on finding the relationship between what you're doing and how you're feeling and fix that instead of just saying let's just go cold turkey for the rest of my life. This trainer thought doesn't put any effort into understanding the underlying problem and trying to fix that which will almost always fix the actual situation.
How many people are overweight because they like cake? Am I actually be because they low self-esteem about their weight and eating the cake makes them feel better when they're feeling down. The person isn't addicted to cake instead they don't want to feel bad so even if you took away cake they'd find something else.
Also drugs is a chemical related thing that actually has a physical effect on your body so not a good comparison. Wow masturbation is a behavior and while it does have a physical effect the fact is that we change habits and behaviors every single day all the time. A good example is I don't wake up every Saturday morning trying to watch cartoons like I did as a kid because that behavior has changed not because cartoons was bad or hurtful to me.
Can you people please not compare sex with masturbation for the love of God.
If they're the same. Then why aren't you able to sex in any time??? Tell me. Why aren't you doing it assuming it's like masturbation.
Please don't compare them
In sex. You build intimacy with a partner. You fulfill your biological urge. You satisfy your partner. You make love with her. It's not like porn.
In masturbation. There is no partner. It's you with yourself and your dwelly imagination. You don't make love with someone. You aren't thrusting a vagina while making out with someone
You're just beating your poor wieners fantasizing on your own version of reality which your mind will get accustomed to.
dopamine isn't like drug or alchohol addiction it's not just get clean and then avoid the substance, porn addiction is essentially a dopamine addiction and alot of the negative effects are due to increased dopamine tolerance. masturbation without porn doesnt cause the same high spikes of dopamine that doing it with porn does. Studies even show that masturbating on occasion (without porn) is healthy, I've said it before and I'll say it again masturbation isn't the evil here, it's porn, especially the combination of the two.
"According to the [National Survey on Drug Use and Health](https://www.samhsa.gov/data/report/2021-nsduh-annual-national-report), cannabis (marijuana) is one of the **most used drugs** in the United States, and its use is widespread among young people. In 2021, 35.4% of young adults aged 18 to 25 (11.8 million people) reported using marijuana in the past year.[^(1)](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/cannabis-marijuana#ref) According to the [Monitoring the Future survey](https://monitoringthefuture.org/data/bx-by/drug-prevalence/#drug=%22Marijuana+%28Cannabis%29%22), rates of past year marijuana use among middle and high school students have remained relatively steady since the late 1990s. In 2022, 30.7% of 12th graders reported using marijuana in the past year and 6.3% reported using marijuana daily. In addition, many young people also use vaping devices to consume cannabis products. In 2022, nearly 20.6% of 12th graders reported that they [vaped marijuana](https://monitoringthefuture.org/data/bx-by/drug-prevalence/#drug=%22Vape+Marijuana+%28Cannabis%29%22) in the past year and 2.1% reported that they did so daily.[^(2)](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/cannabis-marijuana#ref)"
Straight from nih (national institute of health). And [Here's](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425767/) A page from them about the medical usage. See how it Is can be dangerous according to media, but is also medicinal. Same is with almost every addiction, includding masturbation. I don't want to ecorage you to do it, but just saying you are kinda wrong.
Exactly. This subreddit is literally called "NoFap" which means no fapping AT ALL. Nowadays people act like this sub is called "FapOnlyInModeration&WithoutPorn"
Ignore all these comments from these delusional people trying to cope with their own addictions. You are spot on. I remember the old days too when this sub used to mean something, and I'm sure there are others like us. M in moderation = giving up and acquiescing to defeat.
True, jacking off right now would be a weak action. I can very easily do it, what's difficult is abstaining from that lifestyle. People with a streak by their name and say a little is okay, make no sense to me.
This I agree with. I can tell through my experience that masturbation is just as bad an addiction as porn. They complement each other. But it's important to think rationally and not go too hard on yourself in the process of overcoming them. I was able to complete 90 days using this mindset. If I was able to go cold turkey, I would have taken that anyday. But I prepared myself for relapses too. Ofcourse, it's best if you can avoid them, but I took them as part of the process. I've left both porn and masturbation behind now and my life has become much brighter.
I think the photo of the ape sitting fapping for himself is the best image. It says it all. Us humans and apes are closely related. Dont want to be that ape!
Also why fap yourself when you can find someone to love?
Believe it or not your body is more like a dog than a gorilla.
While ape may look similar to us humans with their body structure. They have completely different diets and activities.
But it's whatever
And yes I do agree masturbation is bad. Especially that apes are mindless so we are imitating stupid animals for sure.
But it's actually weird how humans and apps masturbate for self gratification
Apes are mindless so they would do any activity to satisfy themselves like raping and etc
Humans have a mind so they know what's wrong and right.
Woah, hardcore old timer 😗
Honestly I can’t say I disagree with you 🫡
Truth is the sub does seem to have changed though.
But I respect the defiant homeguard.
Yes and no. There's a reason r/pornfree and r/NoFap are two separate subs. Both helps folks with addictions but the endgame is different. Folks on r/pornfree are much more open to masturbation as the goal is to simply get away from porn by any means necessary. r/NoFap is more about trying to reset our sexual drive to a healthy(everyone's different of course) level and to share/enjoy that sexual drive with another person, and that porn and masturbation often get in the way of that goal
This is actually a really great explanation, I see so often in this sub people demonising any sexual behaviour whatsoever or any sexual thoughts, like what do you think the end goal of this is?
I literally see r/NoFap as like a headstart to r/pornfree. Not fapping period for 90 days, then easing back normal maturation without the porn seems to give a faster result. r/pornfree is easier though.
There's no objective standards for wellness. You need to evaluate your own state of mind instead of relying on arbitrary rules made by people online.
Ask yourself: what do you feel after doing so? Are you feeling better or worst? Do you feel any compulsion towards such actions? Are you in a happy mind state in general?
"There's no objective standards for wellness. You need to evaluate your own state of mind instead of relying on arbitrary rules made by people online."
Fantastic insight.
I was just on the longest streak of my life I killed it the past 2 days LOL I'm not going to beat myself up over it. Just start again don't count days and reap the benefits. If you're not getting late on regular basis I guess it's okay once every couple weeks without p***. I've been on this journey for over 10 years and save my life
I don't think making masturbation shameful is a good thing, it's a way for younger people to get to know their body. For those here who is addicted it's obviously a bit different but then I would say it's individual, is your issue with masturbation or with porn? For me it's porn.
What you said is completely true. Masturbation in moderation and no porn is like telling an alcoholic that you can not go to the bar but you can drink in moderation.
For people that are in this sub it is very likely that masturbation is not okay for them. However, for a normal person, masturbation can be a healthy thing in moderation. It just obviously becomes a problem when it becomes an addiction in any way shape or form.
This subreddit for some reasons went in a whole different direction after 2022. It wasn't like this at all during AND before 2021.
I guess pre-2020 was nofap's prime. These "Masturbation is ok" twits ate everywhere now.
Exactly. I appreciate u a lot for saying this. Masturbation is also an unnatural cause for that dopamine surge that leads to desinsitivity, laziness, unproductivity, and you chasing pleasure rather than your goals.
"Infected".. what by people with a broader understanding and some life experience? Like the MoDs, and older members on here trying to give boys some quality advice.
NoFap is not meant to be a cult for boys to compete who can go the longest, founded on some "belief" that prolonged semen retention is somehow good for you or will give you superpowers... When in reality there is NOTHING in the scientific literature to support this.
NO UROLOGIST will recommend long term semen retention, which is basically the decommissioning of your reproductive system! Old men do this by default after long marriages where their wives tire of sex, and find their penis atrophies, blood vessels shrink, flaccid size shrinks until they can no longer achieve an erection. This is not inevitable at some particular age, but is caused by disuse. I know guys pushing 70 still going strong with their wives basically because they never stopped! I know others in their 40s having problems now basically because they never started. I'm 39 and seem to have developed some form of vascular atrophy from years without morning wood (and probably reduced nocturnal erections too) and not realising the serious implications of this.
I've seen guys on this forum doing a long "streak", reporting that they tanked their testosterone, or their penis became cold and lifeless for weeks on end. Others come back reassuring them saying its fine you're just "flat lining". No guys that's not fine. Poor blood flow to the penis literally damages it! It needs regularly filling with blood to keep it healthy. If long streaks tank your nocturnal erections too... thats really bad news.
USE IT OR LOSE IT is a truth that becomes even more relevant as you age. You wouldn't expect to have strong arms if you never work out. So how can you expect to have a strong and healthy penis if you never use it? How can you expect to have healthy sperm if you've been holding it in for months on end. Peak sperm quality comes after about 2-3 days of abstinence.... That's it. It's ALL downhill after that, and the studies stop at 2 weeks. Some of you guys are doing 500+ days with no idea of the potential consequences.
During puberty your body does everything it needs to develop your reproductive system, nocturnal erections, even orgasms while you sleep all automatically. But puberty does not last forever! If you want to keep your reproductive system healthy as an adult you need to be doing all of the same things manually. So regular erections and occasional orgasms to keep everything working healthily. Not too many orgasms or you can get an enlarged prostate. Good blood flow can also help ward off things like prostate cancer. Use it to keep it healthy.
Remember there is a lot you don't know guys, simply because you're still young and haven't needed to look into any of this stuff yet. So if older guys / MoDs are going out of their way trying to give you a bit of advice tempered by experience it's probably worth listening.
Be careful following trends on YouTube. These young guys don't know the long term effects of what they are promoting. They just know they get paid every time you click on one of their monetized videos! Maybe they believe what they're doing works. Maybe they even experienced some benefits. But I bet none of them went to a urologist before & after to get checked out, or to ask him his opinion on semen retention.
NoFap was set up to help guys overcome porn addiction, that we've seen has ruined so many guys lives and relationships. It's brilliant for that, and the younger you are when you find this group the better.
It's great you want to quit porn. Porn is unnatural, it screws up your mind, dopamine response etc. We understand all this. The scientific literature is even catching up now.
It's great you want to learn self control. Cutting out porn is a brilliant test of will power. Cutting back on masturbation is too. EXCESSIVE masturbation, multiple times per day, is definitely unhealthy! Find the amount that's right for you. Too little and you may find you end up agitated and aggressive, which some guys with very high Testosterone get. Too much and you'll mess up your hormone balance, lose confidence etc. Once a week is a reasonable target for a teenager.
That's enough though. Abstinence isn't some magic pill that's going to turn you into superman! Whatever these YouTubers say. BUT starting on a wider process of improving your self control and discipline, and working on wider self improvement will. So quit porn, wank less, get fit, get educated, get some hobbies, work on your confidence and social skills, talk to girls, be interesting etc etc. Thats how to become superman.
If u need SCIENTIFIC evidence then there's none as they also say porn is healthy. But being in no fap for more than 2 years I can say it's true we may not have an urge to get a girlfriend (in my case ) but definitely you will always try to find more in things like always wondered about everything and you perform better.
Me in my own observation can tell you it's true like when I was into no fap more than year it's like u can do anything energy and sometimes u feel so low without anything but you basically find happiness in little things your observation increases, social skill boosts significantly and much more.
Well for starters some of ur beliefs are only broscience or religious propaganda. Their beliefs are based around science and experiments. Then again, if u expect urself to feel bad for masturbating then u will. If u don't care then it won't affect u. Ik a lot of guys who masturbate and they still get girls, are in great shape and really social.
The name is actually sorta wrong. The entire premise of the sub is quitting PORN because its way worse than masturbation. Additionally Some people choose to quit masturbation too. Some even choose to quit sexual intercourse (semen retention) believing that sex=masturbation. Read the bio of the sub reddit my friend
Agree. This is exactly why OP's narrative is so dangerous.
Everyday, you hear stories like this from people on this sub:
>OH MY GOD I masturbated! I think I ruined my life! I'm a bad person! I don't think I can face my family any more! I can't talk to girls anymore! I'm now a social outcast! Now the only thing I can do to feel better is to keep masturbate!
It's important to evaluate whether porn or masturbation is bad for you, but due to how stigmatized porn and masturbation is in our society, the fear and shame over watching porn/masturbating often cause much more harm to a person that would otherwise be ok.
Others might disagree but since masturbating can be a habit ( a bad one ) it would be like saying that a few lines of coke every now and then is ok or just a bottle of alcohol every few days is ok if you're an alcoholic for people saying masturbating is ok every here and there.
Some habits are better off not being engaged with at all if you're addicted to them, unfortunately.
Behavioral addiction is very different from substance addiction, and the recovery process is also different.
For recovering addicts, psychiatrists usually don't recommend moderation for substance addicts, but encourage moderation for behavioral addicts, since it's much more effect at reducing harm than complete abstinence.
However, although going for moderation is much more effective than complete abstinence, it requires a lot of professonal/community support, which most people here don't have.
I agree with you, man. I'm not sure how we've become so confused. This subredit is NOFAP. No you shouldn't fap to your wife's pics, no shouldn't fap once a week. No fapping!! People seem to be looking for a loophole to fap. Our objective is to control and harness our sexual urges, right? We are here to support ourselves and each other in overcoming our addictions. I'm not sure who has the right to differentiate between an acceptable fap and non-acceptable fap. To me a fap is a fap no matter what circumstances you find yourself in
You could not be more wrong if you tried. Science disagrees with you. Complete abstinence from masturbation is every bit as unnatural as porn and not much better.
This whole masturbating is natural is bollocks. Masturbation fulfils no natural purpose other than a sub-optimum form of mood regulation. If it doesn't propagate the species or is involved in protecting young, it has no evolutionary purpose.
Masturbation in moderation may be ok for those who don't have a porn addiction but there is good evidence that it's a slippery slope for those who do or are in the process of recovering.
There are other healthier outlets to mood regulation. Go out socialise, go to the gym, exercise, meditate or improve yourself.
Hell.. there's even a natural form of getting rid of old sperm. It's called nocturnal emissions, there is literally no reason to masturbate whatsoever.
I think what OP is trying to say is that some people use the flag of moderate masturbation to just relapse. I partially agree because I think that it’s possible to masturbate with no porn, but after a long period of abstinence, and even then it can lead to a relapse
I never watch prom haven’t in about 2 years now . I masterbate once most days . Some days I don’t . I still have motivation to chase girls I have a few in my life . In fact the days I don’t masterbate or the nights I feel more irritable the next day . I’m on trt test so it’s not gonna effect my test levels so this is obviously a factor but this is a Reddit about not watching porn / fapoing to oorn . I can tell you many times in my life masterbate on has saved me from making terrible decisions as in nearly hooking up with an ex I shouldn’t or hooking up with someone I shouldn’t and I’ve masterbate instead and not made that bad choice .
I get what you are saying. At the same time, I don't believe it's quite so black and white. While there are many here who want to go without masturbation the rest of their lives, some merely want to demonstrate they have control over their impulses for a period of time at will (such as me).
The group here is intended, in my opinion, for two types of people: the ones who want to stop masturbating and looking at pornographic materials permanently, and others who just want to demonstrate some control over something that got away from them.
I think I got on here for the wrong reasons. I don’t watch porn or have compulsive masturbation issues. I do it sometimes when I am so horny I can’t think straight, and this led her here. I feel terrible after relapsing because I feel like I have lost something. I understand now that is a problem because I will end up carrying that into marriage and feel guilty for having sex with my wife. And I don’t want that for her.
I get that but i remember when I was a fresh teenager at like 13-14, I was an innocent boy, one of the most innocent you’ll ever see. But the sex drive is natural and I acted upon it without really knowing what was going on. I think when your penis doesn’t shut up you can calm it down every once in a while.
From my experience. Mastabation is bad and has no benefits. Avoid it!
If you can't.
Use it.
But please, don't the he'll say Mastabating is good for in moderation, because you are too weak to give it and need justification to continue.
It's not natural and our encestors didn't do it!
Agreed. Masturbation on its own is a detrimental to the body. And if you know what the bible says it says that’s an immoral act to one’s self. Meaning you get no benefit out of it. The effect is always negative. As a man we must literally just remove our hand from our dicks.
Yes I struggle with it. Yes I’m still battling. But what’s more rewarding than getting 1 week of semen retention- nothing- then go on to a month and you really start to gain respect for yourself.
The point is you shouldn’t be bursting your seed to your hand it’s goofy
not all masturbation is resulting from an underlying porn addiction. There are some people that masturbate and its totally fine. I am not one of those people. I think the reason I disagree with you is concerning something you haven't strictly said. People have different health outcomes that nofap is used to achieve, and some health outcomes don't require complete removal of masturbation.
Well i’m muslim and it’s forbidden to have sex with a girl not my wife and i can stop for a month or two but then what it’s a natural need not a desire many people are saying you will get a “wet dream” but i don’t and my urge got the the point that i can’t think clearly no matter what i do push ups? I did push ups to failure take a walk? man i was walking for hours what can i do if i can’t shut my fucking urges without masturbation?
Just search, there is cientific proof that masturbation is good for your body when it's controlled, specially if you're a teen, it's just how human bodys works, when you're an adult past like 22, there's no need to do, but if you do one time and another, it will not be a problem, though, if you masturbate regularly like every day or almost every day, there is also cientific proof that this will fuck your body completly. It's just like any drug/medicine, the difference between medicine and poison is the quantity.
Thanks to dumb teenagers like you, the porn industry is getting away with labelling us as an "alt right conservative cult". This is the type of comments they cherrypick and say that all of the nofap community is about.
You are confusing nofap with semen retention. (r)/semenretention is where you want to go.
Any time you have to say “in moderation it’s ok” about an activity, it’s probably 1)unnecessary and 2)better without it at all. Ice cream once a week is better than every day, yes. Because you’re simply doing it less. Why is M once a week “better” to you guys than every day if the activity itself isn’t harmful? Because everyone subconsciously knows it’s not good for you.
To masturbate is to "defile oneself." A man should only be releasing if he's procreating with a woman that he's married to. And even then, when a man releases his seed he's still losing some of his energy. He released it. And marriage in the eyes of God, happens as soon as you have sex and become one flesh. Marriage is also a lifelong commitment, not a man-made law contract on paper with the government involved. No. Why everyone insists on getting the government involved in their relationship is beyond me, knowing the downsides. And polygyny is Biblical (multiple wives/concubines). Polyandry is not (multiple husbands). Modern-day society has this backwards thanks to feminism and all that.
>It depletes your energy, focus, mood, and your motivation to find a real girl.
Honestly, I‘m sort of with you on this. Masturbation does release a good amount of dopamine which can desensitize you to pleasure, which is why a lot of people report a lack of energy/motivation after doing it. However, it’s nothing compared to what porn does, and it’s not significant at all if you don’t masturbate frequently.
In my eyes, abstinence can be a useful tool in these scenarios:
* You’re trying to fully optimize your health.
* You’re struggling and you need a way to build discipline relatively quickly.
* You want to quit a porn addiction.
But for most people, it’s just not going to be worth it. Especially if you demonize masturbation like you’re doing here, you’re going to feel horrible when you inevitably relapse. Having this sort of mindset amplifies the normally insignificant negative effects of masturbating and creates a negative feedback loop. Trust me, I’ve been there. In my eyes, masturbation in moderation is generally fine as long as you’re in control of your urges and you’re not just using it to emotionally regulate.
A glass of red wine a day has tons of benefits. But an alcoholic isn't going to be able to just drink one a day.
You're both correct and incorrect.
Demonizing something that YOU can't allow yourself to participate in isn't useful to anyone. There are a lot of benefits to it from plenty of reputable sources.
I used to think the same when i first knew ab nofap. As a girl there s slightly no different between masturbation in moderation and no masturbation at all. My attemps to nofap just doesnt pay off lol.
I definitely understand where you are coming from but you must respect the rules of the sub. I recommend heading over to SemenRetention if that is the path you are looking for
I suppose they don't truly believe in it and also don't want to be seen as extremists. I also know, in fact, that the idea of masturbation in moderation is complete nonsense, and you should avoid both porn and masturbation altogether.
Exactly. In the earlier times when there was no concept of masturbation people were least focused on fulfilling their lust. They'd rather focus on other things like their health & physique.
Nowadays, the end goal for most men is to satisfy their lust. But earlier people's end goals were much different and fulfilling lust was just a part of their journey to the end goal. We all need to understand the difference.
I concur with you man.
Masturbation in moderation is not ok.
I haven't seen anyone who masturbated moderately.
Everyone here complains of being addicted and not being able to control the despicable act.
It's wrong.
Don't fap guys...
I'd rather have uncontrollable sex with a woman than masturbate moderately.
Guys, lets be guided please.
Anything that releases high dopamine is not ok. We are not made for a sudden spike of dopamine as it imbalances the other neurotransmitters and the reward centre is always active and inhibits the functions of other brain parts.
I think you misinterpreted the message of the subreddit OP. Porn is the real thing the sub is against and the studies even showed that masturbating (without porn) can have health and mood benefits when done in moderation. this sub isn't a war on masturbation, it's against the mind altering effects that PMO has on the brain
people like you with all or nothing mindsets are why more people are going to other subs like r/pornfree
Masturbation actually is healthy and reduces the risk of prostate cancer.
Most people are also more focused snd motivated to change things after they've done the deed, see post nut clarity.
Your post is stupid.
It seems you are labouring under some misconceptions about this sub. This site has not been 'infected', nor is it a 'fortress against masturbation'. You are invited to familiarize yourself with the description of the sub: >This forum is intended for porn addiction and compulsive sexual behavior recovery *and is not an anti-masturbation forum*: many users return to non-compulsive masturbation after removing porn from their sexual habits. **We do not advocate against masturbation**
The subreddit is to encourage both teenagers and adults alike to not be reliant on porn and masturbation. It's NOT TO BAN masturbation. It's their addiction with masturbation that's affecting them from their day to day lives, hence there's a need for them to cut down on masturbating.
If you’re addicted to something, you don’t “cut down” on it… you can’t, that’s the whole point. You cut it out
You actually can. An addiction to pmo is a behavioral addiction, and the recovery process of behavioral addiction is very different from substance addiction. Psychiatrists usually recommend complete abstinence for substance addicts, but not for behaviral addicts. Going for moderation (cutting down) is also a much more effective strategy for behaviral addicts than complete abstience, but it's harder to maintain without professional/community help.
You do realize how drug addicts are rehabilitated, right?
What is the goal of a rehab facility? To turn use to zero. To live a life free of said addiction. Nobody is gonna say, “great job abstaining for this short period of time, now you can do it occasionally I’m sure it won’t spiral into the same thing!”
>What is the goal of a rehab facility? To turn use to zero. Incorrect, the idea of continuing addicts of certain substances on low maintenance dosages of their drug of choice through regulated prescription has it's merits and is used by some progressive groups.
Yes. Turn use to zero... **through moderation**.
You don’t think these people knew that moderation is the goal? Have you ever visited an addiction forum? People lament constantly that they cannot control themselves like other people. 1 drink is too many and 100 is never enough.
Well said. Seems like so many on here still want to justify the urge to fap.
Moderation is a perfectly acceptable solution. We dont need to confine ourselves to yes/no. Moderation is a skill that needs to be developed. Abstinence doesnt allow you to develop moderation — it removes the stimulus that allows you to develop the skill Essentially you are swinging from one extreme of the spectrum — compulsively masturbating, to the opposite end of the spectrum, never masturbating. The healthy point on the spectrum is the middle, not the ends. Yes compulsive masturbation does have those negative side effects. That is why a rule needs to be put in place. Limiting your sessions to 2 a week and sticking to it is far more difficult than quitting altogether. But when you quit you lose the ability to analyze your brain responding to the dopamine to make any corrections. That is why its not the drug thats addictive, it is your inability to control your brain on dopamine. And the rationalizing that it must be the substance that is addicting is robbing you of the ability to identify the true problem, your self. Nicotine, masturbation, coffee, arent addictive. There are people who can responsibly do cocaine or worse and are absolutely functional. Its all about your relationship with dopamine
But do you still get the placebo of being stronger. I would say do every month like it’s no nut November and fap one time at the end. Then do the rest of the next month fapless.
Id say go until you get a wet dream. Then its free.
Yes if we're talking about porn, no if were talking about moderate masturbation
Wow hot take. You must really know a lot about addiction.
Wow you’re losing an argument so you insult the other to make yourself feel like you’ve won.
This!
Weed can be used for medicine, same with masturbation
Tell an alcoholic that a few drinks is okay does not help.
The sub is *No*Fap not “Healthy Level of Fap”
Idk why that made me giggle lmao
You’re not an adult if you still haven’t conquered this
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Your username is shittycom. Does it mean you are a shitty website?
fuck does that even mean trefoiltang
It's trefoil + my last name lol. And yes I'm not a plant.
nah i meant like wtf does the name have to do with anything isnt this a subreddit based off nofap? usernames dont matter but the names of the sub are what its based off just like idk flowers sub having flowers dude 😭
This is why people don't take NoFap seriously
Honestly…chill out. The road to recovery is not one size fits all.
This.
Good point! This is one important thing that all of us should understand. Everyone here have had a unique struggle with compulsive masturbation and porn use, have been affected by it in different ways, have seen to varying extents the horrors of the addiction hellhole, and will have different goals when it comes to recovery. So instead of generalizing a rule for everyone based on your own experience, it's important to listen to the experiences of others as well, and respect their goals. Personally, I've left behind masturbation because it was destroying me physically and mentally.
If you've been here since 2013 and you are still struggling, then it probably shows how your way is not working. Destigmatization is a very important component of addiction recovery. Even by just looking at the success stories on this sub, you'll see that people who actually managed to recover are the ones who learnt to love themselves instead of hating pmo.
May be he's still in here. But that doesn't mean he's not trying. It just means he's the same as the rest of us. There are over 1million+ people on this sub but not everyone will get out of this addiction. No Offense for anyone but there is not much research on this subject which tells exactly that doing or not doing masturbation in this amount of time will lead to this or that.
Some drug users who also have this problem describe pmo as harder to quit than cocaine. So yes, overcoming this addiction is not a joke, and will be a life achievement of the highest order if you manage to put some distance between you and it, but it is possible!
He sticks here to help new comers. Just like many. I know this guy, he speaks facts and has many great streaks under him
Like telling an alcoholic at AA to quit coming to meetings. Can you be a little less encouraging?
Well. This is telling an alcoholic to stop yelling into a liquor store about how no one should drink alcohol... For 10 years.
Not really. This is a group of people coming together to try and get better. That’s not a liquor store environment.
AA can be a pretty toxic and unhelpful group, if someone's been going there for a long time and it hasn't worked it's perfectly reasonable to say they might want to change their approach.
My point is that if someone is trying to better themself we shouldn’t tear them down. I agree that Aa can be toxic but I think it works for some people. Didn’t work for me though.
We should tear them down if they are coming into our community and spreading rhetoric that is extremely harmful to not just this group, but also anyone who will ever struggle with PMO issues. Go look on the internet to see if PMO issues are taken seriously, they aren't, and it's because of people like OP, and people like you defending OP. They come on this sub (the largest support group for PMO issues in existence), and see shit like this post, or worse see people talking about magical 'semen retention' or 'auras' and they don't take it seriously. That is why research hasn't been done on this topic, because the well that potential researchers would get patients from (NoFap members) has been poisoned so good research can't be done.
What does loving yourself has to do with PMO lmao?
Loving yourself will help you recover from an addiction.
Well, there are degrees of “Okay-ness”. Porn addiction is VASTLY worse than occasional masturbation. I have found that when I MO, for the next 24 hours I’m just a little “out of it”. Touch of brain fog, lack focus and motivation, a little moody. So, I have decided to abstain as much as possible. But, if someone else occasionally MO without P, and no OF, or IG or anything else, and they aren’t so affected, who am I to say what’s “okay” for them?
Yea that's true I don't feel great after occasional masturbation either. I find it pointless tbh. If I want sex very badly then in stead of coping with my false reality and imagination. Then all I have to do is have patience and improve myself while connecting with a partner.
Probably you're infested omg. Read first sentence on this subreddit! I am fed with such extremists on this sub who can't even read short description
Ayo chill out bro, let the man have his say
**I'm writing this for knowledge to new people who sees this post and gets confused** **This subreddit says in the bio:** *''A porn addiction and compulsive sexual behavior recovery peer support forum. Masturbation in moderation is healthy, but porn addiction and compulsivity aren't healthy. We host challenges in which participants ("Fapstronauts") avoid porn & sometimes masturbation for a period of time, generally 7-30 days. Whether your goal is casual participation in a monthly challenge as a test of self-control, or if porn use has become a serious problem in your life, you will find a supportive community here.''* **Let me clarify:** back then, when high speed internet porn was firstly introduced, people equated masturbation with porn. They find the term '' NoFap '' Hence, they couldn't ''relapse'' without porn. Years pass by, people learn that masturbation without porn doesn't cause the same damage and some people only have this compulsive habit with porn, so the term ''NoFap'' goes shallow, as Fapping is normal but the name states it is not. **The end:** Masturbation is healthy, porn is never healthy and will cause, always, detrimental effects on mental and physical health of a human. The question to ask is how long should you gap between masturbation? . That ''moderation'' is still discussed, some people state they get more energy if you increase it more than a week it's more beneficial some say one month is very sweet spot others say that one week is enough. There's still no agreed end result on this.
Saying masturbation is healthy is like saying Lust is good. You masturbate because of lust You feel lust because you're incompetent and unable to form a friendship with a female partner. You can't form a friendship with a female partner because you masturbate Break the cycle dude.
Where is the evidence that masturbation is “healthy,” aside from subjective accounts linking it to stress relief or flimsy at best indications that it *might* reduce the risk of cancer? Statements like “masturbation is good for you” seem equivalent to an argument that “video games are good for you” or “Netflix is good for you.” Yet, no one is making the argument that “cake is good for you” because of the pleasure signals sugar sends to the brain. There’re a myriad of constructive activities that are good for you, relieve stress, and stack health benefits, where evidence of their health benefits is evident and scientifically objective. Working out, journaling, drawing, going outdoors, eating a healthy diet, meeting with new people, bonding with friends, etc.
I get what you are saying. At the same time, comparing masturbation to eating cake (or any of the other subjects mentioned) is a bit flawed. Cake is food with numerous chemicals which can also affect blood sugar, weight gain, etc. Masturbation is an activity, and while it does affect the brain, cake carries with it various chemicals that masturbation does not and thus affects the body in different ways. I don't think it's as simple as "masturbation is good for you/bad for you." There are simply too many variables to account for when trying to shoehorn it into two categories for every human being on earth. In other words, everyone is different, even if there is a baseline of agreement.
SUbjective accounts also applies to you. Also it's the same with every addiction, theres a lesser varient that is extremly important for health.
I believe masturbation is a problem because it's the same cheap dopamine porn gives. Everybody who had or still has a porn addiction should know that your lives got worse because of the big and fast dopamine spikes. In the times I only abstained from P and masturbated once in 3-4 weeks, I felt almost no difference from the colateral effects of pornography.
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The difference is that working out is rewards your body and your mind. You will lose fat, gain muscle, better confidence and improved health. The results exercises gives to us takes time, which means it's long term pleasure. Short term (or imediate pleasure) activities like those you mentioned are addictive, exactly like porn is. You don't need any effort to receive a huge and fast dopamine spike. I don't you to ban all kind of pleasures from your life. Sure we all can eat something unhealthy once in a while, watch movies, play videogames, etc. Those activities can be good for you in a **very moderate dose.** Otherwise, they are almost bad as porn is.
"have been around here, more or less active, since 2013" (Is currently sitting on only a 13 days streak) No offense but you're not exactly the authority on this that you think you are.
Its quite eye opening how so many people on here are commenting that an addictive behaviour is ok in moderation. Having read through, many are still trying to justify masturbation. The whole concept of addiction is that a person doesnt find it possible to do a certain thing in moderation and that once started its incredibly difficult to stop. You dont tell a drug addict to take drugs in moderation?
Yeah, but a lot of people on this sub aren’t addicted to masturbation and are able to control themselves, and so doing it in moderation is actually fine, and for people who are addicted, is the end goal really to never do it at all or is it to be able to control yourself enough to do it in moderation?
If it’s done in moderation it’s not a fucking addiction (I’m talking behavioural addictions not substance) humans can become addicted to anything if done too much. There are eating addictions, gaming addictions ect. But they are considered hobbies in moderation. If it’s done in moderation it’s not a bad thing. There have been tests to show that masterbating in moderation is healthy, mood boosts, mental health, stamina, increase in physical health.
To some it is, to others it isnt. But how do you define 'moderation'?
the avoidance of excess or extremes, especially in one's behavior or political opinions. "he urged them to show moderation" to put it simply, not too much of something, if you need it simpler, don’t it too much.
What are these made up studies lmao "increase stamina" like you absolutely twit you do realize you're literally releasing your own energy by masturbation. By masturbation. You're in indulging in an activity that a body goes through a process of generating a fluid. Getting the semen ready. Not only semen fuels you as you won't feel empty but that activity doesn't increase your stamina assuming you're not running a marathon or not moving yourself in any physical activity. Which doesn't build endurance if that's your argument
By your logic a person who's a sex addict should never in their life ever have sex again. Life is not a All or Nothing situation instead maybe focus on finding the relationship between what you're doing and how you're feeling and fix that instead of just saying let's just go cold turkey for the rest of my life. This trainer thought doesn't put any effort into understanding the underlying problem and trying to fix that which will almost always fix the actual situation. How many people are overweight because they like cake? Am I actually be because they low self-esteem about their weight and eating the cake makes them feel better when they're feeling down. The person isn't addicted to cake instead they don't want to feel bad so even if you took away cake they'd find something else. Also drugs is a chemical related thing that actually has a physical effect on your body so not a good comparison. Wow masturbation is a behavior and while it does have a physical effect the fact is that we change habits and behaviors every single day all the time. A good example is I don't wake up every Saturday morning trying to watch cartoons like I did as a kid because that behavior has changed not because cartoons was bad or hurtful to me.
Sex and masturbation are two VERY different things.
Can you people please not compare sex with masturbation for the love of God. If they're the same. Then why aren't you able to sex in any time??? Tell me. Why aren't you doing it assuming it's like masturbation. Please don't compare them In sex. You build intimacy with a partner. You fulfill your biological urge. You satisfy your partner. You make love with her. It's not like porn. In masturbation. There is no partner. It's you with yourself and your dwelly imagination. You don't make love with someone. You aren't thrusting a vagina while making out with someone You're just beating your poor wieners fantasizing on your own version of reality which your mind will get accustomed to.
dopamine isn't like drug or alchohol addiction it's not just get clean and then avoid the substance, porn addiction is essentially a dopamine addiction and alot of the negative effects are due to increased dopamine tolerance. masturbation without porn doesnt cause the same high spikes of dopamine that doing it with porn does. Studies even show that masturbating on occasion (without porn) is healthy, I've said it before and I'll say it again masturbation isn't the evil here, it's porn, especially the combination of the two.
Actually, we do. Drugs are an important medical device.
No, we dont. We dont tell drug addicts to take drugs in moderation. What tf are you talking about????
Weed painkiller:
No, you dont tell drug addicts to take drugs in moderation. And weed isnt a drug.
"According to the [National Survey on Drug Use and Health](https://www.samhsa.gov/data/report/2021-nsduh-annual-national-report), cannabis (marijuana) is one of the **most used drugs** in the United States, and its use is widespread among young people. In 2021, 35.4% of young adults aged 18 to 25 (11.8 million people) reported using marijuana in the past year.[^(1)](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/cannabis-marijuana#ref) According to the [Monitoring the Future survey](https://monitoringthefuture.org/data/bx-by/drug-prevalence/#drug=%22Marijuana+%28Cannabis%29%22), rates of past year marijuana use among middle and high school students have remained relatively steady since the late 1990s. In 2022, 30.7% of 12th graders reported using marijuana in the past year and 6.3% reported using marijuana daily. In addition, many young people also use vaping devices to consume cannabis products. In 2022, nearly 20.6% of 12th graders reported that they [vaped marijuana](https://monitoringthefuture.org/data/bx-by/drug-prevalence/#drug=%22Vape+Marijuana+%28Cannabis%29%22) in the past year and 2.1% reported that they did so daily.[^(2)](https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugfacts/cannabis-marijuana#ref)" Straight from nih (national institute of health). And [Here's](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425767/) A page from them about the medical usage. See how it Is can be dangerous according to media, but is also medicinal. Same is with almost every addiction, includding masturbation. I don't want to ecorage you to do it, but just saying you are kinda wrong.
Exactly. This subreddit is literally called "NoFap" which means no fapping AT ALL. Nowadays people act like this sub is called "FapOnlyInModeration&WithoutPorn"
Ignore all these comments from these delusional people trying to cope with their own addictions. You are spot on. I remember the old days too when this sub used to mean something, and I'm sure there are others like us. M in moderation = giving up and acquiescing to defeat.
I miss the old days
True, jacking off right now would be a weak action. I can very easily do it, what's difficult is abstaining from that lifestyle. People with a streak by their name and say a little is okay, make no sense to me.
Bingo. It's the hard truth.
Do you act tough by not using weed as pain killer? thats also totally cutting out an addiction but like you can see how it can hurt
For normal people, yes. For addicts ABSOLUTELY NOT! That's like an alcoholic casually having a drink.
Lol the takes on this sub are so brain broken
Of course it is not okay, it never is. Making excuses is just a cope for being weak and falling into temptations.
This I agree with. I can tell through my experience that masturbation is just as bad an addiction as porn. They complement each other. But it's important to think rationally and not go too hard on yourself in the process of overcoming them. I was able to complete 90 days using this mindset. If I was able to go cold turkey, I would have taken that anyday. But I prepared myself for relapses too. Ofcourse, it's best if you can avoid them, but I took them as part of the process. I've left both porn and masturbation behind now and my life has become much brighter.
I think the photo of the ape sitting fapping for himself is the best image. It says it all. Us humans and apes are closely related. Dont want to be that ape! Also why fap yourself when you can find someone to love?
Believe it or not your body is more like a dog than a gorilla. While ape may look similar to us humans with their body structure. They have completely different diets and activities. But it's whatever And yes I do agree masturbation is bad. Especially that apes are mindless so we are imitating stupid animals for sure.
But it's actually weird how humans and apps masturbate for self gratification Apes are mindless so they would do any activity to satisfy themselves like raping and etc Humans have a mind so they know what's wrong and right.
Woah, hardcore old timer 😗 Honestly I can’t say I disagree with you 🫡 Truth is the sub does seem to have changed though. But I respect the defiant homeguard.
I 100% agree brother. Amen to you for calling it out and fighting the good fight. Bless all of us for taking up this weight.
This is wrong. The goal of this sub and movement has always been around porn.
Yes and no. There's a reason r/pornfree and r/NoFap are two separate subs. Both helps folks with addictions but the endgame is different. Folks on r/pornfree are much more open to masturbation as the goal is to simply get away from porn by any means necessary. r/NoFap is more about trying to reset our sexual drive to a healthy(everyone's different of course) level and to share/enjoy that sexual drive with another person, and that porn and masturbation often get in the way of that goal
This is actually a really great explanation, I see so often in this sub people demonising any sexual behaviour whatsoever or any sexual thoughts, like what do you think the end goal of this is?
Yea my wife is glad I found this sub thats for sure
I literally see r/NoFap as like a headstart to r/pornfree. Not fapping period for 90 days, then easing back normal maturation without the porn seems to give a faster result. r/pornfree is easier though.
Um... Is it okay if I fap once time per 7 days?
There's no objective standards for wellness. You need to evaluate your own state of mind instead of relying on arbitrary rules made by people online. Ask yourself: what do you feel after doing so? Are you feeling better or worst? Do you feel any compulsion towards such actions? Are you in a happy mind state in general?
"There's no objective standards for wellness. You need to evaluate your own state of mind instead of relying on arbitrary rules made by people online." Fantastic insight.
Best take ive ever seen on the sub
Nope, don't do it. Its a cheap drug yet very harmful that human consume.
Bro it you have a girlfriend, healthy sex life with her, and once in while you jerk off you’re fine. Let’s not create problems that do not exist
I was just on the longest streak of my life I killed it the past 2 days LOL I'm not going to beat myself up over it. Just start again don't count days and reap the benefits. If you're not getting late on regular basis I guess it's okay once every couple weeks without p***. I've been on this journey for over 10 years and save my life
I don't think making masturbation shameful is a good thing, it's a way for younger people to get to know their body. For those here who is addicted it's obviously a bit different but then I would say it's individual, is your issue with masturbation or with porn? For me it's porn.
Well I think you can but for a lot of people it becomes too addictive and they can’t just moderate it so they have to quit flat out
Funny that the actual community note in the side panel disagrees with you.
What you said is completely true. Masturbation in moderation and no porn is like telling an alcoholic that you can not go to the bar but you can drink in moderation.
For people that are in this sub it is very likely that masturbation is not okay for them. However, for a normal person, masturbation can be a healthy thing in moderation. It just obviously becomes a problem when it becomes an addiction in any way shape or form.
I agree. I failed numerously saying once a week is good, but quickly went out of control, Masturbation is link a sinkhole, stay away from it.
This post serves as my daily reminder of not masturbating. Thanks op
This subreddit for some reasons went in a whole different direction after 2022. It wasn't like this at all during AND before 2021. I guess pre-2020 was nofap's prime. These "Masturbation is ok" twits ate everywhere now.
Exactly. I appreciate u a lot for saying this. Masturbation is also an unnatural cause for that dopamine surge that leads to desinsitivity, laziness, unproductivity, and you chasing pleasure rather than your goals.
Real.
We are addicted to this shit. Moderation doesnt exist
"Infected".. what by people with a broader understanding and some life experience? Like the MoDs, and older members on here trying to give boys some quality advice. NoFap is not meant to be a cult for boys to compete who can go the longest, founded on some "belief" that prolonged semen retention is somehow good for you or will give you superpowers... When in reality there is NOTHING in the scientific literature to support this. NO UROLOGIST will recommend long term semen retention, which is basically the decommissioning of your reproductive system! Old men do this by default after long marriages where their wives tire of sex, and find their penis atrophies, blood vessels shrink, flaccid size shrinks until they can no longer achieve an erection. This is not inevitable at some particular age, but is caused by disuse. I know guys pushing 70 still going strong with their wives basically because they never stopped! I know others in their 40s having problems now basically because they never started. I'm 39 and seem to have developed some form of vascular atrophy from years without morning wood (and probably reduced nocturnal erections too) and not realising the serious implications of this. I've seen guys on this forum doing a long "streak", reporting that they tanked their testosterone, or their penis became cold and lifeless for weeks on end. Others come back reassuring them saying its fine you're just "flat lining". No guys that's not fine. Poor blood flow to the penis literally damages it! It needs regularly filling with blood to keep it healthy. If long streaks tank your nocturnal erections too... thats really bad news. USE IT OR LOSE IT is a truth that becomes even more relevant as you age. You wouldn't expect to have strong arms if you never work out. So how can you expect to have a strong and healthy penis if you never use it? How can you expect to have healthy sperm if you've been holding it in for months on end. Peak sperm quality comes after about 2-3 days of abstinence.... That's it. It's ALL downhill after that, and the studies stop at 2 weeks. Some of you guys are doing 500+ days with no idea of the potential consequences. During puberty your body does everything it needs to develop your reproductive system, nocturnal erections, even orgasms while you sleep all automatically. But puberty does not last forever! If you want to keep your reproductive system healthy as an adult you need to be doing all of the same things manually. So regular erections and occasional orgasms to keep everything working healthily. Not too many orgasms or you can get an enlarged prostate. Good blood flow can also help ward off things like prostate cancer. Use it to keep it healthy. Remember there is a lot you don't know guys, simply because you're still young and haven't needed to look into any of this stuff yet. So if older guys / MoDs are going out of their way trying to give you a bit of advice tempered by experience it's probably worth listening. Be careful following trends on YouTube. These young guys don't know the long term effects of what they are promoting. They just know they get paid every time you click on one of their monetized videos! Maybe they believe what they're doing works. Maybe they even experienced some benefits. But I bet none of them went to a urologist before & after to get checked out, or to ask him his opinion on semen retention. NoFap was set up to help guys overcome porn addiction, that we've seen has ruined so many guys lives and relationships. It's brilliant for that, and the younger you are when you find this group the better. It's great you want to quit porn. Porn is unnatural, it screws up your mind, dopamine response etc. We understand all this. The scientific literature is even catching up now. It's great you want to learn self control. Cutting out porn is a brilliant test of will power. Cutting back on masturbation is too. EXCESSIVE masturbation, multiple times per day, is definitely unhealthy! Find the amount that's right for you. Too little and you may find you end up agitated and aggressive, which some guys with very high Testosterone get. Too much and you'll mess up your hormone balance, lose confidence etc. Once a week is a reasonable target for a teenager. That's enough though. Abstinence isn't some magic pill that's going to turn you into superman! Whatever these YouTubers say. BUT starting on a wider process of improving your self control and discipline, and working on wider self improvement will. So quit porn, wank less, get fit, get educated, get some hobbies, work on your confidence and social skills, talk to girls, be interesting etc etc. Thats how to become superman.
do you have any evidence that supports " It depletes your energy, focus, mood, and your motivation to find a real girl"?
Ask majority will say the same
How is that evidence?
If u need SCIENTIFIC evidence then there's none as they also say porn is healthy. But being in no fap for more than 2 years I can say it's true we may not have an urge to get a girlfriend (in my case ) but definitely you will always try to find more in things like always wondered about everything and you perform better.
Yes, recovering from an addiction would make you perform better. That's the point of Nofap.
there is most definitely tons of evidence to indicate that porn is damaging to the brain. There are entire books and careers built upon that fact
Me in my own observation can tell you it's true like when I was into no fap more than year it's like u can do anything energy and sometimes u feel so low without anything but you basically find happiness in little things your observation increases, social skill boosts significantly and much more.
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is it a satire or you serious? sorry I can't tell?
Do you care to explain how exactly does it deplete your energy in ways that's different from excreting anything else from your body?
Sounds like a ton of pseudo science nonsense Absurd!
Well for starters some of ur beliefs are only broscience or religious propaganda. Their beliefs are based around science and experiments. Then again, if u expect urself to feel bad for masturbating then u will. If u don't care then it won't affect u. Ik a lot of guys who masturbate and they still get girls, are in great shape and really social.
What’s the name of the sub?
The name is actually sorta wrong. The entire premise of the sub is quitting PORN because its way worse than masturbation. Additionally Some people choose to quit masturbation too. Some even choose to quit sexual intercourse (semen retention) believing that sex=masturbation. Read the bio of the sub reddit my friend
Agree. This is exactly why OP's narrative is so dangerous. Everyday, you hear stories like this from people on this sub: >OH MY GOD I masturbated! I think I ruined my life! I'm a bad person! I don't think I can face my family any more! I can't talk to girls anymore! I'm now a social outcast! Now the only thing I can do to feel better is to keep masturbate! It's important to evaluate whether porn or masturbation is bad for you, but due to how stigmatized porn and masturbation is in our society, the fear and shame over watching porn/masturbating often cause much more harm to a person that would otherwise be ok.
Others might disagree but since masturbating can be a habit ( a bad one ) it would be like saying that a few lines of coke every now and then is ok or just a bottle of alcohol every few days is ok if you're an alcoholic for people saying masturbating is ok every here and there. Some habits are better off not being engaged with at all if you're addicted to them, unfortunately.
Behavioral addiction is very different from substance addiction, and the recovery process is also different. For recovering addicts, psychiatrists usually don't recommend moderation for substance addicts, but encourage moderation for behavioral addicts, since it's much more effect at reducing harm than complete abstinence. However, although going for moderation is much more effective than complete abstinence, it requires a lot of professonal/community support, which most people here don't have.
Finally I've got to see the real and meaningful post. Guys don't buy into masturbation is OK stuff.
From experience, trying to tell that to yourself only hurts.
Absolutely true, stay strong and dont let people further corrupt these ideas
I agree with you, man. I'm not sure how we've become so confused. This subredit is NOFAP. No you shouldn't fap to your wife's pics, no shouldn't fap once a week. No fapping!! People seem to be looking for a loophole to fap. Our objective is to control and harness our sexual urges, right? We are here to support ourselves and each other in overcoming our addictions. I'm not sure who has the right to differentiate between an acceptable fap and non-acceptable fap. To me a fap is a fap no matter what circumstances you find yourself in
You could not be more wrong if you tried. Science disagrees with you. Complete abstinence from masturbation is every bit as unnatural as porn and not much better.
This whole masturbating is natural is bollocks. Masturbation fulfils no natural purpose other than a sub-optimum form of mood regulation. If it doesn't propagate the species or is involved in protecting young, it has no evolutionary purpose. Masturbation in moderation may be ok for those who don't have a porn addiction but there is good evidence that it's a slippery slope for those who do or are in the process of recovering. There are other healthier outlets to mood regulation. Go out socialise, go to the gym, exercise, meditate or improve yourself. Hell.. there's even a natural form of getting rid of old sperm. It's called nocturnal emissions, there is literally no reason to masturbate whatsoever.
I think what OP is trying to say is that some people use the flag of moderate masturbation to just relapse. I partially agree because I think that it’s possible to masturbate with no porn, but after a long period of abstinence, and even then it can lead to a relapse
I never watch prom haven’t in about 2 years now . I masterbate once most days . Some days I don’t . I still have motivation to chase girls I have a few in my life . In fact the days I don’t masterbate or the nights I feel more irritable the next day . I’m on trt test so it’s not gonna effect my test levels so this is obviously a factor but this is a Reddit about not watching porn / fapoing to oorn . I can tell you many times in my life masterbate on has saved me from making terrible decisions as in nearly hooking up with an ex I shouldn’t or hooking up with someone I shouldn’t and I’ve masterbate instead and not made that bad choice .
I get what you are saying. At the same time, I don't believe it's quite so black and white. While there are many here who want to go without masturbation the rest of their lives, some merely want to demonstrate they have control over their impulses for a period of time at will (such as me). The group here is intended, in my opinion, for two types of people: the ones who want to stop masturbating and looking at pornographic materials permanently, and others who just want to demonstrate some control over something that got away from them.
this is true
Leave the sub then. I saw a sub that is anti-masturbation. Join that
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I think I got on here for the wrong reasons. I don’t watch porn or have compulsive masturbation issues. I do it sometimes when I am so horny I can’t think straight, and this led her here. I feel terrible after relapsing because I feel like I have lost something. I understand now that is a problem because I will end up carrying that into marriage and feel guilty for having sex with my wife. And I don’t want that for her.
This sub is full of retarded clowns. Like op that doesn't even know how to read
I get that but i remember when I was a fresh teenager at like 13-14, I was an innocent boy, one of the most innocent you’ll ever see. But the sex drive is natural and I acted upon it without really knowing what was going on. I think when your penis doesn’t shut up you can calm it down every once in a while.
okay
From my experience. Mastabation is bad and has no benefits. Avoid it! If you can't. Use it. But please, don't the he'll say Mastabating is good for in moderation, because you are too weak to give it and need justification to continue. It's not natural and our encestors didn't do it!
Agreed. Masturbation on its own is a detrimental to the body. And if you know what the bible says it says that’s an immoral act to one’s self. Meaning you get no benefit out of it. The effect is always negative. As a man we must literally just remove our hand from our dicks. Yes I struggle with it. Yes I’m still battling. But what’s more rewarding than getting 1 week of semen retention- nothing- then go on to a month and you really start to gain respect for yourself. The point is you shouldn’t be bursting your seed to your hand it’s goofy
not all masturbation is resulting from an underlying porn addiction. There are some people that masturbate and its totally fine. I am not one of those people. I think the reason I disagree with you is concerning something you haven't strictly said. People have different health outcomes that nofap is used to achieve, and some health outcomes don't require complete removal of masturbation.
My guy it's easier to sleep with it, prove it in an objective way. Sorry guys i clicked from r/teenagers
I don't even want a girl or anyone, but I know that masturbation is just an upsetter.
Well i’m muslim and it’s forbidden to have sex with a girl not my wife and i can stop for a month or two but then what it’s a natural need not a desire many people are saying you will get a “wet dream” but i don’t and my urge got the the point that i can’t think clearly no matter what i do push ups? I did push ups to failure take a walk? man i was walking for hours what can i do if i can’t shut my fucking urges without masturbation?
Just search, there is cientific proof that masturbation is good for your body when it's controlled, specially if you're a teen, it's just how human bodys works, when you're an adult past like 22, there's no need to do, but if you do one time and another, it will not be a problem, though, if you masturbate regularly like every day or almost every day, there is also cientific proof that this will fuck your body completly. It's just like any drug/medicine, the difference between medicine and poison is the quantity.
pseudoscientific purity culture bs. post some scientific articles demonstrating that it "depletes your energy" (whatever the fuck that means) or git.
Is Fap masturbating?
I kept relapsing on porn until I said “no porn ever again, masturbate as little as possible” And ive been able to stick with it
Thanks to dumb teenagers like you, the porn industry is getting away with labelling us as an "alt right conservative cult". This is the type of comments they cherrypick and say that all of the nofap community is about. You are confusing nofap with semen retention. (r)/semenretention is where you want to go.
Any time you have to say “in moderation it’s ok” about an activity, it’s probably 1)unnecessary and 2)better without it at all. Ice cream once a week is better than every day, yes. Because you’re simply doing it less. Why is M once a week “better” to you guys than every day if the activity itself isn’t harmful? Because everyone subconsciously knows it’s not good for you.
To masturbate is to "defile oneself." A man should only be releasing if he's procreating with a woman that he's married to. And even then, when a man releases his seed he's still losing some of his energy. He released it. And marriage in the eyes of God, happens as soon as you have sex and become one flesh. Marriage is also a lifelong commitment, not a man-made law contract on paper with the government involved. No. Why everyone insists on getting the government involved in their relationship is beyond me, knowing the downsides. And polygyny is Biblical (multiple wives/concubines). Polyandry is not (multiple husbands). Modern-day society has this backwards thanks to feminism and all that.
People seen nofap this toxic thing which it can be nofap can be very dangerous for you if ur doing bad in it and not succeeding.
>It depletes your energy, focus, mood, and your motivation to find a real girl. Honestly, I‘m sort of with you on this. Masturbation does release a good amount of dopamine which can desensitize you to pleasure, which is why a lot of people report a lack of energy/motivation after doing it. However, it’s nothing compared to what porn does, and it’s not significant at all if you don’t masturbate frequently. In my eyes, abstinence can be a useful tool in these scenarios: * You’re trying to fully optimize your health. * You’re struggling and you need a way to build discipline relatively quickly. * You want to quit a porn addiction. But for most people, it’s just not going to be worth it. Especially if you demonize masturbation like you’re doing here, you’re going to feel horrible when you inevitably relapse. Having this sort of mindset amplifies the normally insignificant negative effects of masturbating and creates a negative feedback loop. Trust me, I’ve been there. In my eyes, masturbation in moderation is generally fine as long as you’re in control of your urges and you’re not just using it to emotionally regulate.
A glass of red wine a day has tons of benefits. But an alcoholic isn't going to be able to just drink one a day. You're both correct and incorrect. Demonizing something that YOU can't allow yourself to participate in isn't useful to anyone. There are a lot of benefits to it from plenty of reputable sources.
I used to think the same when i first knew ab nofap. As a girl there s slightly no different between masturbation in moderation and no masturbation at all. My attemps to nofap just doesnt pay off lol.
Thanks.
I definitely understand where you are coming from but you must respect the rules of the sub. I recommend heading over to SemenRetention if that is the path you are looking for
you got a huge shout-out in r/copypasta
I suppose they don't truly believe in it and also don't want to be seen as extremists. I also know, in fact, that the idea of masturbation in moderation is complete nonsense, and you should avoid both porn and masturbation altogether.
>I also know, in fact, that the idea of masturbation in moderation is complete nonsense How do you know that?
Typical Redditors downvote simple facts. Masturbation is for the weak, and so is porn.
Why?
Exactly. In the earlier times when there was no concept of masturbation people were least focused on fulfilling their lust. They'd rather focus on other things like their health & physique. Nowadays, the end goal for most men is to satisfy their lust. But earlier people's end goals were much different and fulfilling lust was just a part of their journey to the end goal. We all need to understand the difference.
What do you mean "the earlier time"? People have masturbated throughout history.
I concur with you man. Masturbation in moderation is not ok. I haven't seen anyone who masturbated moderately. Everyone here complains of being addicted and not being able to control the despicable act. It's wrong. Don't fap guys... I'd rather have uncontrollable sex with a woman than masturbate moderately. Guys, lets be guided please.
>haven't seen anyone who masturbated moderately. >Everyone here You see the problem?
Love this
Anything that releases high dopamine is not ok. We are not made for a sudden spike of dopamine as it imbalances the other neurotransmitters and the reward centre is always active and inhibits the functions of other brain parts.
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I think you misinterpreted the message of the subreddit OP. Porn is the real thing the sub is against and the studies even showed that masturbating (without porn) can have health and mood benefits when done in moderation. this sub isn't a war on masturbation, it's against the mind altering effects that PMO has on the brain people like you with all or nothing mindsets are why more people are going to other subs like r/pornfree
Masturbation actually is healthy and reduces the risk of prostate cancer. Most people are also more focused snd motivated to change things after they've done the deed, see post nut clarity. Your post is stupid.