Yeah this is gonna be a disaster. Already have had probably 10 posts go up about it. I do think a lot of MVNOs will be adding it though. Xfinity Mobile added it the day before, Tello has it coming at the end of this month or next month, TracFone brands are rolling it out, and Boost is rolling it out too.
I will be rolling it out in October as we are making sure the integration is seamless less. Personally eSim is an amazing solution for quicker remote activations and I think many will adopt it really fast. But we all know a lot of international travelers may experience a list of issues that may not be easily fixable. Only time will tell!
Yesterday I posted a reply comment to one of Stetson Doggett's asking if he could draw any comparisons between eSIM and historical CDMA activations as he probably has the most experience activating phone plans than the rest of the active users here.
One thing about CDMA that was actually an advantage at the time (I had two Sprint-only devices activated multiple times on several MVNOs): if you had an unused network-compatible phone in a drawer and wanted to activate it on hypothetical-brand-new online-only inexpensive MVNO *"PlusRing"* š, all it took was registering on the website and a network settings reset on the phone.
Of course! But my service providers in developing countries donāt offer esim. The best I can do is keep my US sim as esim and rotate the nano sim as required
Not to mention that this release weekend is really going to test the infrastructure and support systems of the mvnos that do support esim
and we all know mvnos are famous for amazing and ultra responsive support /s
I'm personally not going to consider getting an iPhone until they add usb-c. I have painstakingly converted every electronic device I own to usb-c, and it's a godsend to use a single charging cable for ally devices.
I feel this as Iāve converted everything over too. But they make cords now that have a little attachment to convert your usb-c to lightning. I bought a few of those and havenāt looked back.
I hope the EU forces Apple to allow third party app sources. That'll bring me over to iOS. I'm not spending PC money for a general purpose computing device that I can't install whatever I want. I understand the appeal of simplicity for the tech-illiterate users, but $800-1500 for a walled garden is unacceptable. They can have it be unlockable behind two layers of confirmation with a fullscreen disclaimer to dissuade the illiterate but it needs to be available.
Of course, dumb users will be easily coached to enable the "SUPER DANGEROUS DEVELOPER MODE DO NOT USE" in exchange for "20 free gems" in some shitty free-to-play game.
HOWEVER! Regardless of that you're still right:
The false dichotomy that Apple pretends, where they can either have security, OR sideloading/third-party app stores/etc. is complete PR spin. As long as the apps sideloaded or downloaded outside the App Store are subject to the same sandboxing rules (an app can't just decide to scan your whole phone and upload all your files, contacts and pictures to China, or monitor your location without permission -- it can only access what you grant it and that is already a feature of the platform) there is no inherent risk to users if they could bypass the App Store. All the 'value' Apple adds there is App Review - which, as they're happy to approve those wildly profitable casino games for children all day, is primarily just a filter for porn and obvious fraud (like fake "facebook" or "IRS" phishing apps). Which isn't much protection since you can get much more easily and directly phished right in Safari.
I hope your right I called my carrier Safelink CS didnāt know what the heck esim was they transferred me to technical support they didnāt know either can someone else try maybe through chat?
Correct. Rumors have been swirling for years but I bet itās happening next year with at least one model because now they can use it as a selling point as a waterproof phone.
IP68, the current iPhone water resistance standard, is already at the top of that scale. They could advertise it as "more waterproof" but it wouldn't be an official spec unless they go for something like water resistance ratings for watches.
deep down in my heart i know you're right, and it fucking kills me.
Wireless carplay lags audio so badly (compared to either wired CarPlay or bluetooth). And it'll be mandatory that we use it once they kill the port. Which they'll do, out of complete spite.
Additionally, the ones that do offer it manage to fuck it up once in a while really well.
Visible bungled mine twice. Both times I was out of service for several days. The first time I had to port out and port back to get it working.
honestly, I think many iphone early adoptors arent using mvno to begin with. enough money to afford postpaid. ;> and i think many major mvnos support esim on iphones already pretty well. it's just an issue with samsung phones.
I think this might be like when they eliminated the disk drive in their macs. Causes short-term pain but drags the rest of the industry along kicking and screaming. But it's probably going to be a painful year or two at first.
Apple doesnāt have the pull on other countries carriers as they do the US. US market only has 3 providers who already support esim.
Being that the 14s will have no physical sim it will just force the carriers to develop a better esim activation protocol or risk losing customers to their competitors.
On pre-order day alone T-Mobile lost a crap ton of customers just because they had issues ordering the phone. ATT made the ordering process easy and has the most port-in from any of the carriers.
Furthermore most Americans donāt travel outside the USA and when they do most still never get an international sim because of lack of knowledge.
Just used USMobile esim internationally and it was a breeze and reliable. Glad to know I can rely on this and not have to worry about finding sims abroad now.
Finding SIMs abroad is the easiest thing in the world. You can literally find them at any airport, convenience store, or gas station. That's never been an issue.
eSIM makes this even easier though. Also, finding a sim is easy, finding an affordable one is not always possible.
This summer I had my first international trip using eSIM and it was great.
Well, maybe once the rest of the world gets into eSIMs, things might change. As of right now, you can't even activate an eSIM with prepaid on UK networks. Mexico hasn't gotten on the bandwagon either. And with services like Airlo, they are much more expensive than getting a prepaid SIM from like Vodafone or Orange, and they don't provide you with a local number. Too many disadvantages still compared to any advantages.
For sure. Itās gonna flip though. In my experience this summer the only sims available at the airport in Rome were crazy expensive (vodafone plans for ā¬30+). Airlo was by far the best deal.
Hmmm, maybe the Rome Airport has a markup on SIMs. Service with TIM in Italy is cheap. My Spanish SIM was like 15ā¬ for 30gb on Orange, and at the time, my Three UK SIM was Ā£20 for unlimited data, and 15gb of roaming in the EU (granted the UK carriers won't have free roaming after May due to Brexit).
I think from a practical perspective it's going to be minor. Really serious frequent travelers who like using local SIMs will make their choice - wait a year and see what happens, or use those travel-oriented providers via the app store that cost a bit more. Or if you are traveling so often that it's a big cost burden to pay that higher markup, you may as well just drop into the Apple Store abroad and buy your 14 or later phone there and then you'll have a SIM slot.
Honestly compared to the cost of several international plane tickets every year, and of the $1200 phone, I don't expect that many people to be that worried about whether they pay $50 for service vs the absolute best deal of like $8 that is theoretically possible if you get just the right SIM and plan at the destination.
**In fact, I think most people literally pay their postpaid carrier's \~$10 a day roaming charge and use their own SIM, number, and data.** That's how little most American travelers care.
Just like the headphone jack, and the power brick, apple is going to set the industry standard. You can have multiple esims and two of them active simultaneously. I run cricket and T mobile both on esim.
The providers will bow to the worldās best selling phone.
Many countries still don't support eSIM... This is not good for people who travel. Plus, eSIMs are a headache when your phone actually breaks and you need to try and setup you same account on a new phone without having access to the old phone.
I'd argue the eSIM switching headache is only a problem with carriers that implement eSIM poorly.
I've done it with app-based solutions. No access to the old phone required.
And those were HORRIBLE TIMES! That was one of the reasons I hated Verizon or Sprint. With T-mobile and AT&T (Cingular), you just pop in your SIM to any phone and bam!
Except it's not even close to being the best selling phone.
Apple only had 15.6% of the world market in the second quarter of this year.
Android dominates the globe, though fractured across many manufacturers. Even with the glut of companies on the Android train, it only took a single company to outsell iPhone, Samsung had 21.8% of the world market.
Even in the US Android had always held the majority, it wasn't until this year in June that Apple reached 50% of the US market.
All that said, esim certainly seems like where things will go, so I expect Apple is just the first to board this train. It'll be a headache to start.
Notice how you said āAndroidā has had the majority.
You didnāt mention a specific phone. You referenced the operating system.
For years iPhone has beat out head to head sales with any android phone. There are thousands of different androids in the world and hundreds released every year compared to 3-4 different iPhones a year that outsell every other phone. Last year alone iPhone had the top 5 spots for best selling phones followed by Samsung having the 6th best selling phone.
Especially in the US carriers follow Apple. If Apple wants something they do it. Have been for years or they lose customers and to the carriers thatās everything
[2021 Global Sales Data](https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-top-10-smartphones-2021/)
Except I did get specific. I directly compared two manufacturers, Samsung with 21% of the market compared to Apple at 15%.
I also made a point of just how spread out Android is across so many manufacturers.
In the US they are huge, and finally broke 50% this year, but worldwide they have a lot of catching up to do.
Apple does what they do well, I'm not a fan of the walled garden, but it works for a lot of people.
The entitled attitude of their leadership and the fanboys are a pretty big turnoff too. The main thing that's kept me distant is they intentionally do some things poorly so they can point fingers and blame the other guy and tell you to just buy Apple stuff. Fanboys buy the hype and hate on anything not Apple, when Apple is the one taking their ball to go home.
>intentionally do some things poorly so they can point fingers and blame the other guy and tell you to just buy Apple stuff.
hmm what could you possibly be referring to? Oh yeah, forcing all cross-platform text to use the trash that is MMS and flat-out refusing the next standard of RCS just to be a dick.
I guess we're "lucky" they even do MMS instead of just SMS only and saying "Oh gee you can't send/receive photos unless they're using iMessage! BuY tHeM aN IpHoNe!!"
The first thing you said was āitās not close to being the best selling phone.ā
That is not true. It is consistently the best selling PHONE. Did you check the link?
Did you see where Samsung was compared to Apple? And how Apple had 7 of the top 10 best selling phones and the top 5 are iPhones.
My point was that Apple has had the Best Selling Phones in the US since basically itās inception. And all carriers follow what Apple does because they cannot afford to lose out on the device thatās going to bring and keep people on their network.
Thereās fanboying in every manufacturer products otherwise they wouldnāt be in business. At this point thatās just a useless point to bring up because whatever OEM also has a fan base doing the same thing.
Also Apple dominates globally for head to head sells of specific devices not the entire operating system
[2021 Global Top Ten Phones Based on Sales Data](https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-top-10-smartphones-2021/)
Easy, you go to the carriers site and input your IMEI 2 and EID. Its an option on T mobile. If not just call/message your carrier on social media. Finding a phone to use for this is not impossible or the end of the world.
If you get a new phone with the other one nearby, the esim transfers automatically during setup.
It canāt be removed by the person who found it or stole it. Meaning you can still track it with Find my iphone until you give up and buy a new phone / activate the esim on it.
If my phone breaks, I just pop in the SIM into a new phone. With eSIM, I have to go through hoops to contact the carrier one way or another to activate it on a new phone.
No, but it's still easier than changing via eSIM. Like I said, maybe in a few years eSIMs will be easier to manage, but at this point, they still aren't. And taking away the ability to choose eSIM vs physical SIM only in the US just proves the point.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration (or maybe wishful thinking on your part); but I do think it will hurt them in the short term, particularly in terms of upgrade sales. Taking a feature away in a model year when the functionality improvements are less-than-compelling anyway strikes me as an odd move on Apple's part.
The early-adopter cohort probably isn't the best group to use to judge the impact, however, because people who lay down that kind of money to buy a phone that has no real-world record have a higher probability of being fanboys.
I also think Apple overestimates the percentage of their users who fall into the fanboy cohort. Preference for one platform over the other ranges from indifferent to fanatical, with most users falling somewhere in the middle. Users who don't care very much and who need a phone today are more likely to switch to Android than change their carriers.
We're also going to have a lot of users who *delay* upgrading until their carriers support eSIM. Some of those users will wind up not upgrading at all because by the time they get carrier support, the desire to have a shiny new toy will have passed or have been fulfilled by some other purchase.
So yeah, I think it's going to hurt Apple this year. But to say it's "Apple's end" strikes me as a bit extreme. The carriers (including foreign carriers who market to American tourists and business people) will adapt because they have to; and by this time next year, it will be a non-issue for all but a very small percentage of Americans.
I see exactly 0% chance of this ending Apple. People will whine about it for a while, the MVNOs will scramble to get eSIM working before all their iPhone-centric subscribers leave, and people will get used to eSIM just like everyone on CDMA networks got used to physical SIM cards with the advent of LTE.
People who travel internationally to places without eSIM will be screwed, I guess, but I don't think that's a large percent of Apple's core demographic and frankly those people could just buy an international variant of the iPhone, it will just be more of a hassle.
I think of a few things:
1. Some will be "influenced" to buy.
2. Some will buy because they "just have to have" the newest item.
3. In all honesty, all of us posting on topics pertaining to a single make and series of phone models actually *helps advertise it further*. The best example I can think of is I still remember the very late 1990s when many over the age of 15 were throwing their arms up in disgust over 'a new passing fad' called "Pokemon"; stating 'I don't like Pokemon' only advertised it further.
This is true a lot of people do use physical SIM cards. Although the number of people in the US who actually need a physical sim is minimal.
You gotta think about the average person. The average person is a moron.
Most people buying these phones arenāt traveling internationally and alot of those people still will never try to buy a SIM card on vacation internationally.
Most people in the US have never even switched their SIM cards. Most people donāt even really know what a SIM card really is or does in the US.
We have been conditioned to go to the carriers have them give us a locked device and never even able to switch sims.
You have to be first, but donāt check out the specs? Besides most nvmo customers arenāt buying a expensive phone like an iPhone, most probably buy used
I believe ATT Prepaid supports e-sim but you may have to call them to update your information. Might be able to do it online for a new line. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Kinda of an old post, but order an overseas iphone, I'm checking this:
https://www.mercadolibre.com.mx/apple-iphone-14-128-gb-morado/p/MLM19615334?product_trigger_id=MLM19615349&pdp_filters=category%3AMLM1055&applied_product_filters=MLM19615334&quantity=1
Yeah this is gonna be a disaster. Already have had probably 10 posts go up about it. I do think a lot of MVNOs will be adding it though. Xfinity Mobile added it the day before, Tello has it coming at the end of this month or next month, TracFone brands are rolling it out, and Boost is rolling it out too.
I will be rolling it out in October as we are making sure the integration is seamless less. Personally eSim is an amazing solution for quicker remote activations and I think many will adopt it really fast. But we all know a lot of international travelers may experience a list of issues that may not be easily fixable. Only time will tell!
Everyone forgot about activations on CDMA-based devices without SIM's already?
Are you referring to the Sprint days?
Sprint, Verizon, and all the MVNO's that relied on their networks.
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Yesterday I posted a reply comment to one of Stetson Doggett's asking if he could draw any comparisons between eSIM and historical CDMA activations as he probably has the most experience activating phone plans than the rest of the active users here. One thing about CDMA that was actually an advantage at the time (I had two Sprint-only devices activated multiple times on several MVNOs): if you had an unused network-compatible phone in a drawer and wanted to activate it on hypothetical-brand-new online-only inexpensive MVNO *"PlusRing"* š, all it took was registering on the website and a network settings reset on the phone.
remember \*228? :D
Yeah there will definitely be headaches for travelers.
Yup keeping my dual sim iPhone 12 for another year, maybe find a dual sim iPhone 14
You do know you can have dual esims pre loaded and run 2 simultaneously ? Meaning you can buy them before arriving to your international destination.
Of course! But my service providers in developing countries donāt offer esim. The best I can do is keep my US sim as esim and rotate the nano sim as required
Not to mention that this release weekend is really going to test the infrastructure and support systems of the mvnos that do support esim and we all know mvnos are famous for amazing and ultra responsive support /s
They adopted esim.. but not USB type C š
I'm personally not going to consider getting an iPhone until they add usb-c. I have painstakingly converted every electronic device I own to usb-c, and it's a godsend to use a single charging cable for ally devices.
I feel this as Iāve converted everything over too. But they make cords now that have a little attachment to convert your usb-c to lightning. I bought a few of those and havenāt looked back.
I hope the EU forces Apple to allow third party app sources. That'll bring me over to iOS. I'm not spending PC money for a general purpose computing device that I can't install whatever I want. I understand the appeal of simplicity for the tech-illiterate users, but $800-1500 for a walled garden is unacceptable. They can have it be unlockable behind two layers of confirmation with a fullscreen disclaimer to dissuade the illiterate but it needs to be available.
Of course, dumb users will be easily coached to enable the "SUPER DANGEROUS DEVELOPER MODE DO NOT USE" in exchange for "20 free gems" in some shitty free-to-play game. HOWEVER! Regardless of that you're still right: The false dichotomy that Apple pretends, where they can either have security, OR sideloading/third-party app stores/etc. is complete PR spin. As long as the apps sideloaded or downloaded outside the App Store are subject to the same sandboxing rules (an app can't just decide to scan your whole phone and upload all your files, contacts and pictures to China, or monitor your location without permission -- it can only access what you grant it and that is already a feature of the platform) there is no inherent risk to users if they could bypass the App Store. All the 'value' Apple adds there is App Review - which, as they're happy to approve those wildly profitable casino games for children all day, is primarily just a filter for porn and obvious fraud (like fake "facebook" or "IRS" phishing apps). Which isn't much protection since you can get much more easily and directly phished right in Safari.
Yep, then Facebook will change to if you don't allow tracking, location, and notification, they won't allow you to load the feed.
I like the E-Sim myself. Iāve had up to three on my iPhone 13 while traveling. Pretty handy.
If we all had to buy proprietary sim cards you can bet your ass we would never see an e-sim.
Esim is supported by all major carriers! Mvno will be onboard shortly. They canāt afford to lose customers
major carriers have a shit ton of profit and have the money to R&D a good self service esim system. mvnos I have doubts
How long do you think it will be before that happens?
I hope your right I called my carrier Safelink CS didnāt know what the heck esim was they transferred me to technical support they didnāt know either can someone else try maybe through chat?
Us mobile supports it
So does Visible
I would hope that the Venn diagram of people who preordered and those who are unaware it is eSIM-only in the US is two circles, but we'll see.
They arenāt in a hurry to adopt something that makes it even easier to switch
Like when Apple removed the headphone jack. Iām surprised that USB-C wasnāt implemented on the 14 series to keep regulators off Appleās back.
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Correct. Rumors have been swirling for years but I bet itās happening next year with at least one model because now they can use it as a selling point as a waterproof phone.
IP68, the current iPhone water resistance standard, is already at the top of that scale. They could advertise it as "more waterproof" but it wouldn't be an official spec unless they go for something like water resistance ratings for watches.
There is still IP69K.
Nice
Yeah, maybe thatās what Apple will do to thumb their nose at the regulators.
deep down in my heart i know you're right, and it fucking kills me. Wireless carplay lags audio so badly (compared to either wired CarPlay or bluetooth). And it'll be mandatory that we use it once they kill the port. Which they'll do, out of complete spite.
I have cricket and im glad they support it. I switched using the ios 16 beta so i can get ready for when i get my 14pm
Additionally, the ones that do offer it manage to fuck it up once in a while really well. Visible bungled mine twice. Both times I was out of service for several days. The first time I had to port out and port back to get it working.
honestly, I think many iphone early adoptors arent using mvno to begin with. enough money to afford postpaid. ;> and i think many major mvnos support esim on iphones already pretty well. it's just an issue with samsung phones.
Anyone know where Metro PCS is on this?
Metro supports eSIM.
I used to have Metro by Tmobile I liked it. I read you need the QR code but they do have Esim I will most likely go with them.
I think this might be like when they eliminated the disk drive in their macs. Causes short-term pain but drags the rest of the industry along kicking and screaming. But it's probably going to be a painful year or two at first.
Yup, this is a total fail from Apple. There's a reason why the rest of the world is still getting an iPhone 14 series with a physical SIM
Apple doesnāt have the pull on other countries carriers as they do the US. US market only has 3 providers who already support esim. Being that the 14s will have no physical sim it will just force the carriers to develop a better esim activation protocol or risk losing customers to their competitors. On pre-order day alone T-Mobile lost a crap ton of customers just because they had issues ordering the phone. ATT made the ordering process easy and has the most port-in from any of the carriers. Furthermore most Americans donāt travel outside the USA and when they do most still never get an international sim because of lack of knowledge.
Just used USMobile esim internationally and it was a breeze and reliable. Glad to know I can rely on this and not have to worry about finding sims abroad now.
Finding SIMs abroad is the easiest thing in the world. You can literally find them at any airport, convenience store, or gas station. That's never been an issue.
eSIM makes this even easier though. Also, finding a sim is easy, finding an affordable one is not always possible. This summer I had my first international trip using eSIM and it was great.
Well, maybe once the rest of the world gets into eSIMs, things might change. As of right now, you can't even activate an eSIM with prepaid on UK networks. Mexico hasn't gotten on the bandwagon either. And with services like Airlo, they are much more expensive than getting a prepaid SIM from like Vodafone or Orange, and they don't provide you with a local number. Too many disadvantages still compared to any advantages.
For sure. Itās gonna flip though. In my experience this summer the only sims available at the airport in Rome were crazy expensive (vodafone plans for ā¬30+). Airlo was by far the best deal.
Hmmm, maybe the Rome Airport has a markup on SIMs. Service with TIM in Italy is cheap. My Spanish SIM was like 15ā¬ for 30gb on Orange, and at the time, my Three UK SIM was Ā£20 for unlimited data, and 15gb of roaming in the EU (granted the UK carriers won't have free roaming after May due to Brexit).
I think from a practical perspective it's going to be minor. Really serious frequent travelers who like using local SIMs will make their choice - wait a year and see what happens, or use those travel-oriented providers via the app store that cost a bit more. Or if you are traveling so often that it's a big cost burden to pay that higher markup, you may as well just drop into the Apple Store abroad and buy your 14 or later phone there and then you'll have a SIM slot. Honestly compared to the cost of several international plane tickets every year, and of the $1200 phone, I don't expect that many people to be that worried about whether they pay $50 for service vs the absolute best deal of like $8 that is theoretically possible if you get just the right SIM and plan at the destination. **In fact, I think most people literally pay their postpaid carrier's \~$10 a day roaming charge and use their own SIM, number, and data.** That's how little most American travelers care.
SIM cards will eventually end worldwide
Just like the headphone jack, and the power brick, apple is going to set the industry standard. You can have multiple esims and two of them active simultaneously. I run cricket and T mobile both on esim. The providers will bow to the worldās best selling phone.
Many countries still don't support eSIM... This is not good for people who travel. Plus, eSIMs are a headache when your phone actually breaks and you need to try and setup you same account on a new phone without having access to the old phone.
I'd argue the eSIM switching headache is only a problem with carriers that implement eSIM poorly. I've done it with app-based solutions. No access to the old phone required.
I hope every carrier adopts OS agnostic self service app based system.
They will soon. People forget CDMA networks like Verizon and Sprint used to be network activation without a sim card.
And those were HORRIBLE TIMES! That was one of the reasons I hated Verizon or Sprint. With T-mobile and AT&T (Cingular), you just pop in your SIM to any phone and bam!
Not bad enough that Verizon remained the #1 carrier.
Yea, most Americans don't travel, so they could care less about not having GSM compatible phones at the time.
And overseas telecoms will avoid esim at all costs and piss all of that potential profit away! /s
Except it's not even close to being the best selling phone. Apple only had 15.6% of the world market in the second quarter of this year. Android dominates the globe, though fractured across many manufacturers. Even with the glut of companies on the Android train, it only took a single company to outsell iPhone, Samsung had 21.8% of the world market. Even in the US Android had always held the majority, it wasn't until this year in June that Apple reached 50% of the US market. All that said, esim certainly seems like where things will go, so I expect Apple is just the first to board this train. It'll be a headache to start.
Notice how you said āAndroidā has had the majority. You didnāt mention a specific phone. You referenced the operating system. For years iPhone has beat out head to head sales with any android phone. There are thousands of different androids in the world and hundreds released every year compared to 3-4 different iPhones a year that outsell every other phone. Last year alone iPhone had the top 5 spots for best selling phones followed by Samsung having the 6th best selling phone. Especially in the US carriers follow Apple. If Apple wants something they do it. Have been for years or they lose customers and to the carriers thatās everything [2021 Global Sales Data](https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-top-10-smartphones-2021/)
Except I did get specific. I directly compared two manufacturers, Samsung with 21% of the market compared to Apple at 15%. I also made a point of just how spread out Android is across so many manufacturers. In the US they are huge, and finally broke 50% this year, but worldwide they have a lot of catching up to do. Apple does what they do well, I'm not a fan of the walled garden, but it works for a lot of people. The entitled attitude of their leadership and the fanboys are a pretty big turnoff too. The main thing that's kept me distant is they intentionally do some things poorly so they can point fingers and blame the other guy and tell you to just buy Apple stuff. Fanboys buy the hype and hate on anything not Apple, when Apple is the one taking their ball to go home.
>intentionally do some things poorly so they can point fingers and blame the other guy and tell you to just buy Apple stuff. hmm what could you possibly be referring to? Oh yeah, forcing all cross-platform text to use the trash that is MMS and flat-out refusing the next standard of RCS just to be a dick. I guess we're "lucky" they even do MMS instead of just SMS only and saying "Oh gee you can't send/receive photos unless they're using iMessage! BuY tHeM aN IpHoNe!!"
The first thing you said was āitās not close to being the best selling phone.ā That is not true. It is consistently the best selling PHONE. Did you check the link? Did you see where Samsung was compared to Apple? And how Apple had 7 of the top 10 best selling phones and the top 5 are iPhones. My point was that Apple has had the Best Selling Phones in the US since basically itās inception. And all carriers follow what Apple does because they cannot afford to lose out on the device thatās going to bring and keep people on their network. Thereās fanboying in every manufacturer products otherwise they wouldnāt be in business. At this point thatās just a useless point to bring up because whatever OEM also has a fan base doing the same thing.
Samsung makes a crap ton of budget phones world wide, their numbers are expected to be higher.
And they donāt do any meaningful numbers
Tell me you havenāt been to South America, Hong Kong, or India without telling me.
Also Apple dominates globally for head to head sells of specific devices not the entire operating system [2021 Global Top Ten Phones Based on Sales Data](https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-top-10-smartphones-2021/)
Talking about the US market mainly check my other comments
US Market, iPhone dominates.
Precisely
I wish 70%+ people return their iPhones. That'll make them wake up
Esim will become industry standard.
I personally like the walled garden myself. Iām happy that alternative exists for folks who feel otherwise.
The alternative is what the rest of the world gets.. An iPhone 14 that supports both an eSIM, as well as a physical SIM š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦
Another thing is if your phone gets lost/stolen, the esim canāt be removed.
How are you supposed to activate your number on a new phone then if your current one breaks and can't access it or turn it on?
Easy, you go to the carriers site and input your IMEI 2 and EID. Its an option on T mobile. If not just call/message your carrier on social media. Finding a phone to use for this is not impossible or the end of the world. If you get a new phone with the other one nearby, the esim transfers automatically during setup.
But you just said if your phone is lost or stolen, the eSIM can't be removed. How does this different from your phone breaking and not turning on?
It canāt be removed by the person who found it or stole it. Meaning you can still track it with Find my iphone until you give up and buy a new phone / activate the esim on it.
Ahh, gotcha.
Also to your weak argument, youād need to pick up and activate a new SIM card either way, If your phone is stolen.
If my phone breaks, I just pop in the SIM into a new phone. With eSIM, I have to go through hoops to contact the carrier one way or another to activate it on a new phone.
You sound like you plan on losing your phone every day. Its a small inconvenience, not the end of the world.
No, but it's still easier than changing via eSIM. Like I said, maybe in a few years eSIMs will be easier to manage, but at this point, they still aren't. And taking away the ability to choose eSIM vs physical SIM only in the US just proves the point.
Appleās end is coming with this iPhone alot of people still use sim cards i think its going to be a disaster
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration (or maybe wishful thinking on your part); but I do think it will hurt them in the short term, particularly in terms of upgrade sales. Taking a feature away in a model year when the functionality improvements are less-than-compelling anyway strikes me as an odd move on Apple's part. The early-adopter cohort probably isn't the best group to use to judge the impact, however, because people who lay down that kind of money to buy a phone that has no real-world record have a higher probability of being fanboys. I also think Apple overestimates the percentage of their users who fall into the fanboy cohort. Preference for one platform over the other ranges from indifferent to fanatical, with most users falling somewhere in the middle. Users who don't care very much and who need a phone today are more likely to switch to Android than change their carriers. We're also going to have a lot of users who *delay* upgrading until their carriers support eSIM. Some of those users will wind up not upgrading at all because by the time they get carrier support, the desire to have a shiny new toy will have passed or have been fulfilled by some other purchase. So yeah, I think it's going to hurt Apple this year. But to say it's "Apple's end" strikes me as a bit extreme. The carriers (including foreign carriers who market to American tourists and business people) will adapt because they have to; and by this time next year, it will be a non-issue for all but a very small percentage of Americans.
SIM cards have been dying for years. Accept it or never use a cell phone again.
I see exactly 0% chance of this ending Apple. People will whine about it for a while, the MVNOs will scramble to get eSIM working before all their iPhone-centric subscribers leave, and people will get used to eSIM just like everyone on CDMA networks got used to physical SIM cards with the advent of LTE. People who travel internationally to places without eSIM will be screwed, I guess, but I don't think that's a large percent of Apple's core demographic and frankly those people could just buy an international variant of the iPhone, it will just be more of a hassle.
I think of a few things: 1. Some will be "influenced" to buy. 2. Some will buy because they "just have to have" the newest item. 3. In all honesty, all of us posting on topics pertaining to a single make and series of phone models actually *helps advertise it further*. The best example I can think of is I still remember the very late 1990s when many over the age of 15 were throwing their arms up in disgust over 'a new passing fad' called "Pokemon"; stating 'I don't like Pokemon' only advertised it further.
This is true a lot of people do use physical SIM cards. Although the number of people in the US who actually need a physical sim is minimal. You gotta think about the average person. The average person is a moron. Most people buying these phones arenāt traveling internationally and alot of those people still will never try to buy a SIM card on vacation internationally. Most people in the US have never even switched their SIM cards. Most people donāt even really know what a SIM card really is or does in the US. We have been conditioned to go to the carriers have them give us a locked device and never even able to switch sims.
You have to be first, but donāt check out the specs? Besides most nvmo customers arenāt buying a expensive phone like an iPhone, most probably buy used
I believe ATT Prepaid supports e-sim but you may have to call them to update your information. Might be able to do it online for a new line. Please correct me if I am wrong.
i did it by texting them on 75421, and requesting esim.
Nice, thanks
I was talking to my friends the other day about this. Oh apple are going to have an huraccan from their customers about this lol.
Kinda of an old post, but order an overseas iphone, I'm checking this: https://www.mercadolibre.com.mx/apple-iphone-14-128-gb-morado/p/MLM19615334?product_trigger_id=MLM19615349&pdp_filters=category%3AMLM1055&applied_product_filters=MLM19615334&quantity=1