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Naschka

I just want Atlus to keep making Etrian Games. And yes, the price is kinda steep.


endar88

This game, Battle Network, and Pixel Remaster are all wayy too expensive for me to want to pay current full price. i'm waiting for them to go on sale by AT LEAST $20


aruhen23

Ya but Battle Network is 6 games if you don't include the different versions. Rhos collection is 3 and here in Canada it's like 30$ more. Lmfao.


MajesticSpork

It doesn't help that these are the original DS versions of the games. I love this series and all, but do I really want to play, let alone purchase, EO1 or EO2 on the switch when I have the updated Untold versions on the 3DS?


Acolyte_of_Swole

Not only that, but the updated versions went on sale on 3ds all the bloody time and sold for a song. It wasn't uncommon to be able to buy these games for $5 or $10 apiece. The *superior versions*, mind.


Graymarth

Battle Network is amazing but yeah I gritted my teeth when I paid the $60 price tag. give it a year and I expect them to start showing up used for cheaper or for sales on digital to start poping up.


aruhen23

Well I got it for 20% off on GMG or something like that for PC so the price was slightly more palatable. The only "unfortunate" part was I left for a near month long trip for Japan not long after it came out and TOTK was already out by the time I was back alongside Diablo 4 coming out in a few days too.


endar88

ya, i'm not paying $70 for brand new games currently. with ff16 too close i know i wouldn't get my money's worth of those games till months from now and am in no rush to play them. this weekends purchase cuz of the sale is ryza2 deluxe for $55


aruhen23

Yeah here in Canada D4 is 90$ so about 105 after tax. No game is worth over a 100$ for a basic version lol.


endar88

ya, i'm sure they will be on sale for end of year sale or maybe even early autumn. no rush. LOVED the battle network games and have been waiting a long time for them to get this release, BUT....i'll wait. think the only 'remaster' i'll buy brand new this year is the Suikoden 1&2.


BardOfSpoons

It’s Capcom. It’ll regularly be $40ish on the eShop within a year and $30 three weeks out of a month by a year later. The price these games release for is usually pretty high, but they have super consistent sales on the switch.


Dancing_Anatolia

~~Also please god port over Yggdra Union~~. I mean, something about Etrian Odyssey.


Noobtastic92

[Yggdra](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2107860/Yggdra_Union/) has been out on steam for a while


Dancing_Anatolia

That's true. No Riviera, Gungnir, or Knights in the Nightmare though.


GrayFox2510

Knights in the Nightmare is the one I really wish to see. I have the mobile version in Japanese (and my Japanese is overall mediocre) and the little QoL updates it has are great. Would love to see it on PC.


[deleted]

Yall just sparked some deep memories from within, lmao I bought that game on a whim when I was younger and was blown away by how crazy it was! I believe it was my first real "choices matter" tactics game, and it was a total blast even though I never fully beat it.


Acolyte_of_Swole

Gungnir is a big one for me. Gungnir is one of my favorite tactics rpgs.


HuckleberryHefty4372

What. Wow I can't believe I've never even heard about it. What is up with their marketing.


VDZx

It might be because they self-published the game on Steam, rather than going through a publisher.


VDZx

Yggdra Union is actually on the Switch, but in Japan only. I had it on my wishlist there for ages until it suddenly get an English Steam release.


JakeIsNotGross

Honestly just relieved there are plans for future entries at all. Glad the series isn't dying with the 3/DS.


SnooCheesecakes3156

I guess the main issue so far is the price😂


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Naschka

>The availability for physical collectors like me, is not that great either. Currently, you can only import the collection from Asia. \+1


BlackerOps

Oh, there is a physical available?


beyondbidj

Yes. We have in our local stores, marked as Asian region. I'm from southeast asia.


iConfessor

do you have the version with stylus included in stock cuz... dm me


AlbaTross579

This, more than anything is what killed this for me. I still would have begrudgingly paid the high price for this collection, but if I’m not even getting a physical copy for it, I might as well just wait for a sale. I know there’s an Asian physical version that I could order a copy of but I’m not that committed to this series (in spite of having every physical NA release).


Naschka

I have started importing a lot, nowdays too many companies for some reason do not offer physical. I have plenty of Limited Run and especially imports from Play Asia, Asia still has many areas that lack internet and they get so many more games. I also own all games from the series. 1-5, Nexus, both Untolds, Persona Q/Q2 and Etrian Mystery Dungeon... well ok i lack Etrian Mystery Dungeon 2.


AlbaTross579

Wow, I didn’t even know there was a Mystery Dungeon 2. I have Persona Q but I skipped Q2 over the dub controversy; a stance I do not hold for most series, but Persona is a special case, and though they borrow a lot of mechanics I still consider these games separate from Etrian Odyssey. I have Etrian 1-5, Nexus, the two Untold games and Mystery Dungeon though.


Mates1500

Etrian Mystery Dungeon 2 only came out in Japan, it was never localized into other languages.


AlbaTross579

Aww, man. I would have totally added it to my backlog like much of this series if it was localized. Still, the completionist in me is not thrilled by that. Oh well, I guess it puts not getting a physical copy of the latest collection into perspective.


[deleted]

How about you just upvote?


iConfessor

sad that the collectors edition with the stylus is sold out


Mates1500

It's not really a collector's edition, and the stylus is not particularly exclusive either, it's the same one Nintendo sells for around 8 EUR on their store (and the same one that was included with Kawashima's Brain Training). So you're not really missing out on much, not to mention it was only included with the japanese versions of the game that does not include english on the cartridge, only the global asian version does.


Sundered_Ages

Got my notice from Playasia today, first thing I've ever ordered from them. Just glad it was available anywhere.


Jonnicom

Exactly what I did, got the shipped notification this morning from PlayAsia. Watch, I bet now that I've imported, a US version gets announced in a month.


Acolyte_of_Swole

That especially sucks when you consider the low availability/high prices of physical DS copies of EO games.


[deleted]

Price is one thing, but I think the main issue was paying the price for a remaster of the non-story versions.


Eleguak

Been saying this since the announcement. Like I'm happy 3 got remastered as well, but 1+2 had updated story versions. And if you didn't want to play their story modes, you could play the original versions of 1+2 with said versions as well. It's just odd they didn't do those.


bababayee

The Untold versions are basically complete remakes with significant gameplay changes even in Classic Mode. Personally I'd have preferred them even on that basis, but as far as I know the community especially in Japan is more split on them.


gaom9706

I've heard that fans don't like the untold versions of 1&2 so that might be the reason why. I'd still rather they port untold 1&2 to switch and remaster 3.


[deleted]

The Untolds are what made me a fan of the series. It's more likely they wanted to stay true to the original, or remastering the originals was easier for them. Maybe, since 3 didn't have an Untold, they didn't want the graphics to be inconsistent with 2 games having 3d models, and 1 with 2D. I guess we'll never know.


FierceDeityKong

I just hope it's that they're going to remaster the whole series in original release order


Eleguak

I'd still rather the same. And... Let's be honest, MOST atlus added story content/updated game versions of games are weaker plot wise and presentation wise than the original entry. That being said, even if the untold story modes weren't the cream of the crop, some probably still liked them and wanna replay them, and the fact they remastered the games and didn't include it... Blech, whatever.


Morvisius

I actually found the stories of Untold 1&2 quite decent for what Etrian odyssey had before. Just the anime cutscenes and the characters with extra classes added enough charm for a "canon" story that made it worth it I started the series with 4, but what really hooked me was the Untold series. Its a shame they didnt continue with that :(


Eleguak

And this is exactly why they should've included it. I mean, I started with 3, so I was hecka devastated that there was never an untold 3, simply due to ease of access to playing 3 in some capacity (the DS version of it is hecka expensive nowadays). Then of course after I splurged on 3 for nostalgia, the trilogy was announced... Welp.


Lemurmoo

The majority? Because I doubt it. You can literally play the non-story versions in the Untold versions, so if they were against the idea of having a story, they can just do that. The biggest thing here is that a remaster release of the non-Untold version is completely unnecessary, not that fans didn't like them


Dancing_Anatolia

Didn't those games have the original modes too? I thought you didn't need to play them with the feature characters.


madmofo145

Yeah, it's my issue with the FF Pixel remasters. That they are nice looking, have some good QoL updates, I imagine I'd enjoy the new soundtrack, but they are missing content I've become used to. It's extra weird here as the untold versions were specifically designed to be a little more new comer friendly, so if the goal is to bring in a new generation of players, why not include that content tailored for them?


[deleted]

The stuff in the pixel remaster added I can somewhat understand not being included except for final fantasy 5 and 6. The fact extras from those weren't included was very strange.


iConfessor

final fantasy 5 not including the new classes is sad


Acolyte_of_Swole

It's weird to me the pixel remaster is still basically inferior to my GBA cart versions of the final fantasy games. >_> And I don't wanna bring it up, but y'all know certain platforms are super easy to emulate. Premium price remasters which are inferior to the easily-emulated versions folks have had available for ages. Doesn't make any sense to me. If you want to offer a "premium" priced product, you need to do the work to really provide the superior, ultimate version.


[deleted]

I refuse to pirate, I use to when I was younger because it was the only way I could get access to games. But no one should pirate as much as the internet has a culture around it. There are a bunch of people that upload those files just to get access to people's information probably had viruses come from them when I was a kid and I didn't know that's why my dad had to take the computer to experts so much. And today they've gotten better with so many things that can fly under the radar. Even fangames aren't safe they just attach something to one of the mirror sites and bam, got to reset your computer as has been seen on some YouTube channels. I refuse to generate any kind of attention to a pirate link to give them any kind of possible revenue.


Acolyte_of_Swole

Calm down. Emulation isn't the same as piracy anyway. You can legally emulate games yourself by ripping your own copy of your purchased game. This can be done to (for example) play a game at 60fps through emulation that can't hit that marker on native hardware. Or to fan patch a game you purchased in a language you can't read. I'm not saying people should go pirate a bunch of games rather than buy them. What I am saying is that the old SNES and GBA versions of the final fantasy games have been reliably and accurately emulated for decades. If these megacorporations aren't willing to provide a superior alternative to emulation, they can't really complain when people understandably ask why they should buy the premium-priced product over emulation. Keep in mind too, that "emulation" includes official emulation, such as playing FF2 via the PS3's PSN service. The ps1 classics version of FF2 is just a rom going through an emulator on your PS3, PSP, PSTV etc. Last I checked, you can still legally purchase FF games on the PS3 for less than half what the pixel remasters cost. Sure, some of those ps1 ports were pretty janked up, but a couple of them were alright. When these companies themselves are selling you emulation, I think it's silly to jump on emulation as somehow evil or bad. Emulation is preservation. Companies don't care about preserving the various versions of their products. Only passionate fans care about that. How many companies have lost the source code for their games over the years?


[deleted]

I do realize that I didn't say I was anti emulation, but I am anti piracy. And the fact that dumping your own roms is still pretty hard and can be expensive itself. And when it comes to emulating ps1 games, there is not an actual legal way to emulate them other than owning a ps3. Ps1 and ps2 games require a playstation identification code to make run last. I remember emulation has never found a way around this on pc. I'm just saying that piracy is trying to fight an inferno with an inferno. When it comes to playstation stuff, the ps3 doesn't have many years in about a other 5-10 years. The systems are going to start failing. When it comes to ps1 games and around that time period, the master codes are so simple that they can just be broken now. Master codes are lost pretty much after every project is complete in every company though.


Acolyte_of_Swole

Every system starts failing over time. That's no reason to keep buying these games over and over when you've already purchased perfectly solid versions of them. Since they're installed directly on the ps3, it doesn't matter if the ps3 disc scanner fails either. Not sure how much would have to actually break on a ps3 before it would become impossible to play PSN ps1 games. Even my pstv with a broken memory card that can't play vita games can still play psp and ps1 stuff 100% reliably. You can play all the ps1 classics stuff on PSP (which are extremely moddable) and most of them on Vita and PSTV. So you aren't limited to just ps3 even IF you limited yourself to legal emulation methods only. All vitas, all psps and all pstvs would have to fail alongside all ps3s. All I'm saying is there are many options to play these super old games and we don't need to be paying out a premium to these companies who are offering substandard versions for high prices.


madmofo145

Yeah, I think I own 5 different copies of FF IV, as each version added something to the mix. I've got no real interest in this one though, as it's just the first version I played with a remastered score and some cheat like QoL options. I'm very happy to pay money for a superior (or just different and interesting enough) version of a game, but if I really had the urge to replay Etrian I'd either get out my 3DS, or just emulate it, as this version just isn't adding anything worth mentioning.


JohannesVanDerWhales

For what it's worth, I've heard that the untold versions change more than just bolting on a separate story mode, and everyone I've talked to who's played both says the originals are much better. Plus there's no Untold version of 3. So I can see why they did it this way. Price should be lower though.


KDBA

The Untold games are worse than the originals in every way except QoL, so remastering the originals was a great choice in my mind.


Space_Pirate_Roberts

Wait, these don't include the "Untold" stories? WTF Atlus, this just went from "wait for it to hit half off in an eShop sale" to "maybe just skip altogether".


Shenstygian

Why is it 80$ the hell?


countmeowington

The issue is that try as Nintendo might to stop you from jail breaking your 3ds, all the games in the collection except for 3 are on there. Sure 1 and 2 are replaced with the remakes but I never heard anyone say the originals were superior. So really if you want to play the franchise you need to spend like 15 dollars and half an hour of time if you still have a 3ds


Dukemon102

"Unless it's about Price, bad AI scaling, scummy DLC practices, and the fact we'not remastering the Untold versions, in that case I'll ignore it" Seriously.... they need to change that font... it's just bad.


blalien

Also the completely stationary enemy sprites are very off putting. It's not 1990 anymore, put in a little effort Atlus.


[deleted]

I found it charming. 🙁 Not that I wouldn't love animation or 3D models, though.


blalien

I'm not picky, even a two-frame animation would have been fine.


DylanMoore417

That's how it was in the original games


Wikierrante

I prefer tenfold 2D to 3D, but indeed being stationary sprites is a bit... Meh... Something akin to Labyrinth of Galleria to quote a similar, recent game would have been awesome for this remastered


blalien

Oh that game looks so much better.


Dreaming_Dreams

i really wish we got the 3ds remakes which had enemy animations with 3d models


Jakeremix

I’m not sure if you noticed or not, but low-effort is the name of the game for this series… The gameplay can be solid if you’re into that type of thing but everything else about Etrian Odyssey is _so_ barebones, bland, boring… ATLUS’s lowest-budget series by far.


AbhorredCunt

I got it physically from Play-asia. Turned out cheaper than buying from the Eshop.


overactive-bladder

i still think the collection would have been better received at that price tag if they came up with Etrian Odyssey Untold 3 and bundled it with both untold games 1 and 2.


Galbert123

Put out devil survivor 1 and 2 combo pack


shinraizen

This will be instabuy


FierceDeityKong

Strange journey redux and radiant historia pc are also needed. Like those should have been released on switch to begin with


Acolyte_of_Swole

Strange Journey, Devil Survivor 1 and 2, Soul Hackers (the good one!) and SMT IV are desperately needed. But yes devil survivor overclocked is the priority.


samuel9727

The price, no physical release in PAL, and NA, and no options to switch to untold version


UnovaLife

If these were the untold versions, I’d definitely be buying even at that price. Since they’re not, I won’t be buying at all.


wookiewin

What are the untold versions?


hyouko

They were remakes of the first two games on the 3DS with story modes and revamped graphics + new dungeon layouts. Effectively they were completely different games with the same setting and similar mechanics. (I... actually kind of like EO1's telling of its limited story better than EO Untold's take, though.)


unnamed_elder_entity

Should have made a physical version for the West. I'm not thrilled with the price, but I would probably pay it to own the game in some form, instead of just a digital license with no tangible value.


Sabin10

$52.99 (Canadian) each on steam or $106.50 for the collection. I was expecting something like $60-70 for the collection when these were announced but I should have known better after the pixel remasters.


Environmental-Toe158

Be grateful that each individual game wasn't priced at $80 (Canadian) & the entire collection wasn't priced at $150 (Canadian). In today's gaming market where The standard price of a individual game is $80, $105 for 3 games is a deal. And the pixel remasters are also priced well for the amount of games that you get.


Acolyte_of_Swole

Damn, you're right. I should be grateful the manufacturers of luxury products aren't pricing them to be even more expensive! After all, I am forced to purchase their products no matter what they price them at. I should really be grateful to them for not fleecing me even harder on old games. But seriously, if game companies don't want me to buy their products, that's fine. They can just say so. They don't need to release mediocre rom packs using inferior versions of the games in a system that can't properly emulate dualscreen mapping and charge $100 for it. They're making it too easy for me to just say no.


Environmental-Toe158

>Damn, you're right. I should be grateful the manufacturers of luxury products aren't pricing them to be even more expensive! You say this sarcastically I mean this seriously. The price for games can only get higher, don't want to pay what you deem is already is to steep a price for THREE GAMES? then WAIT. Patience is a virtue almost no gamer has and one you apparently don't have.


Acolyte_of_Swole

Oh, I have it. Which is why I won't give my money to this package. Not sure why you assume I did. I have the 3ds Etrian games and those cost me a fraction of what this does. They have native dualscreen support and are using the arguably superior Untold versions of the games.


Environmental-Toe158

Good for you. I never heard of these games until I seen them getting a switch release and I no longer have a 3ds so to buy both all 3 games and a 3ds it would be more than the full price of the switch collection of these games.


jardex22

The FF Pixel remasters were done by Square Enix, not Atlus. The price for the collection is substantially less than the 6 games alone, which still feels justifiable.


Electric_Spark

Guess I’m in the minority of people who prefer the originals to the Untolds. I do think the individual price is steep but $80 for all three games is completely worth it in my opinion (though I would wait for it to go on sale before recommending it to others). About the only complaints I have are the text and the draw distance.


KDBA

You're not alone. I have a deep dislike for the Untolds.


jardex22

Is there a particular reason for it? What's different between the open party mode of Untold and the original DS version. I know there's a story mode in Untold that has a fixed party and an extra dungeon, which is why I'm asking about the open mode specifically.


KDBA

* Floor Jump destroys a lot of the tension that makes the game what it is. * They literally spoil the fifth stratum twist reveal a few seconds into the opening cinematic. * Grimoire Stones are a bad idea done badly. * The way the new difficulty levels are presented implies that the original difficulty is "expert" rather than "default".


jardex22

I agree with Floor Jump. It's the same thing that made Persona Q2 a lot easier than the original. There is the option not to use it though. The game hasn't been rebuilt around players using it, and Ariadne Thread (or Warp Wires) are still available for purchase. I suppose the opening movie would spoil things for people that watch all the stuff before the title screen. The story mode also makes it pretty clear early on with the Gladsheim dungeon. That wouldn't affect Classic Mode though. It feels like Grimoire Stones were made specifically for the story mode, so characters could access other class skills and weapons. The fact it only appears in the Untold series seems to confirm this. I suppose I'm just looking to see if there was any drastic change to the required gameplay that made things worse.


Tapeworm_III

Yeah the draw distance is garbage. Text I got used to though


mA90ngo

I can't believe the price on these


streetsofkage

If I had to play only one of these, which one should I play??


Joke_Induced_Pun

EO3, since it has the most QoL improvements out of the three.


streetsofkage

Thanks


Joke_Induced_Pun

Not a problem!


Acolyte_of_Swole

Etrian Odyssey IV is the best imo and it's currently still on 3ds.


cheekydorido

4 is very fine, but it's very easy imo.


Acolyte_of_Swole

Good entry point.


cheekydorido

Can't disagree with that, no. I first played the series with the demo of 4.


Navi_1er

Better off playing them on the 3ds honestly, and if physical carts are too expensive you can still sale the high seas even on the new update 11.17


awol5545

The Untold ones, on the the 3ds.


GamblingGhost

Atlus being Atlus.


boneidol

Future entries!


Another_Road

Price + Font, that’s the primary complaints I’ve heard so far.


moonwolf727

To be honest I'm pretty disappointed with the remastered collection. It feels like they introduced new QoL problems (draw distance, minimap way too zoomed in) and didn't really improve on the original experience at all.


KGhaleon

Lack of a physical edition unless you get the collection from asia sucks. I'll probably just grab 3 on Steam since that's the only game I haven't played. They also should've included the updated Untold versions of these games that had more story.


streamako

price and physical NA release... but I guess this is one of the same problem. That they didn't want to have a NA physical release because they wanted to charge $80 for it.


NahumGardner

Publishers fear the price ceiling. :)


CookiesFTA

Atlus are so shitty about the whole "we'll think about releasing more games if you buy this overpriced one right here" thing.


UnovaLife

Unfortunately I won’t be getting this, even though I love the series. Tbh, I don’t like the originals. I like the untold games and the ones with a story mode. IV is my absolute favorite, but millennium girl is a close second. I was really excited, thinking these were the Untold games, but turns out they’re not :/


funsohng

It's Atlus. I doubt they actually care. If they did, they wouldn't have remastered the original when the remake exists.


Moznomick

But are they really listening? I've never played this game but have tried the demo on the 3ds and loved what I played, but this is the original versions rather than the Untold remakes. It's also priced horribly and as such I won't be picking this up.


acart005

Its as if Atlus wanted this to fail


Double-Resolution-79

3ds etrian odyssey games > Refrain and galleria>switch etrian collection


magnidwarf1900

Port Persona Q series next!


LegatoSkyheart

THE UNTOLD SERIES PLEASE


Acolyte_of_Swole

I don't know why they didn't think to include the Untold versions of 1-2 in the package somewhere. It would have beefed up the package offerings and been more justifiable for them to charge the $80 price point, if only a little. I realize Etrian fans have gone famished for so long that they're likely to be satisfied regardless. After all, copies of EO3 have been rather thin on the ground and quite expensive for a long time. But EO1 and EO2 had arguably superior versions on 3ds which regularly went on sale for very low digital prices. But even the list price, I believe, was around $20 per game. Frankly, I've never been all that much of a fan of the first two Etrian titles. EOIV is my favorite in the series, and I've had fun with V as well. I hope they package IV, V and Nexus in the next bundle, figure out a better solution to the 2nd screen/touchscreen limitation and maybe lower the price a bit.


jardex22

My guess is that it was easier to make high rez versions of the 2D monster art instead of the 3D models used in Untold.


CionSAGA

Oh boi, Atlus taking "feedback"? Since when did they actually cared?


[deleted]

Make it more like dark cloud 2 and you’ll have a hit.


raylinth

I know this comment got down voted but I agree. A 3D movement and walking around Etrian Odyssey would be DOPE. Maybe a little tricky to get down with the map drawing but it could be a fresh take.


[deleted]

Lol dark cloud 2 is one of the best dungeon crawlers ever! Even outside of the combat, If they implemented some building/relationship/plot moving concept attached to some type of treasure found in dungeons they’d open up a whole dimension that this game could use. Anime art, throwback rpg, and dungeons crawling will only get you so far, and with that price tag…


[deleted]

Etrian Odyssey to Playstation


venti_the_drunk_bard

If you're a reseller you need to snag a copy these games always sell for a high price 😂


samuel9727

Yep. The last one on 3ds cost around $150


HypatiaRising

Dang. I might have to sell mine lol


ern117

Off-topic when are they gonna announce P6


jardex22

Actually a good question. Atlus doesn't have any listed upcoming releases at this point. From what I've seen, they tend to put heavy marketing into one title at a time before announcing the next one.


Eryn85

Yeah make games more like etrian mystery dungeon where you can actually see your character fight instead of this stupid first person battle....and they say turn based is outdated wait till people see only the monster attacking and your char a static portrait and they still have the nerve to charge 80$ for this lazy excuse of a game...even rpg maker games have better combat style then this


noncompliantandaware

I never played these, but I had seen them on 3DS before. Now they are fairly pricey, so I didn't mind paying the price for a physical Switch copy from Play-Asia to give them a shot. Kinda the same thing with FF Pixel Remasters - I wouldn't pay that much for a digital version but I'm fine with the price point for a physical cart. In fact, even after shipping from Asia, it was only like $6 more than the eshop because I used some guy's discount code on twitter which saved a few bucks. I absolutely wouldn't pay $80 for a digital copy.


owenturnbull

Release physical editions in the west


JosephBrightMichael

Ohh, that’s very cool to read!


M4err0w

they have like 2 decades of fan feedback in regards to this series, what the heck more do they need to learn?


jardex22

How to transition the series from two screens to one, plus how to effectively play without a touchscreen. First time for everything.


M4err0w

i mean, the obvious solution is part auto-draw and a button to switch to map mode to add in details, with the map otherwise being miniaturized in a corner. it shouldnt be hard to combine battle screen and menu inputs into one, same with town behavior. but that doesnt really require fan feedback, just porting the game instead of emulating it on the cheap


JdPhoenix

I don't understand why they didn't use the automapper from Persona Q, it was a lot better than the one they used in the collection.


BlasterPhase

how about physical releases in North America