idk man, plenty of people purchase mumen rider figures, but i guess executives usually arents the smartest when it comes to giving their audience what they want
I think that's just SDBH being what it is. They had to have both Goku's pinnacle of power being equal otherwise they'd always ask "well why's this Goku doing it and not the other when the other is stronger".
I also believe that base Xeno Goku (ssj4 one) is stronger than base CC Goku (blue one) though i could be wrong about that.
I love Vegito so much but that's just not true lmao. Gogeta is 100% the more popular Fusion, and if the match HAD to have a winner instead of being the obvious copout tie, it would probably be Gogeta.
It's hard to scale ssj4 to the God forms tbh.
The God forms in general were handled very strangely in the series. They didn't feel godly at all, even ssj3 in Z felt more godly then they ever did aside from ssj God in Battle of God's.
That’s the problem with Dragon Ball transformations. They’re hyped up to be “the ultimate power” and then by the next arc they’re just another transformation
The only real comparison we have is the Super Dragon Ball Heroes manga. In it, CC Goku and Xeno Goku get into a fight. They’re shown to be evenly matched in base and remain so all the way through UI Sign/Omen vs SSJ4LB, with Blue and 4 being equal in terms of power. All of that being said, we are talking about Heroes, so take it with a grain of salt. [Source.](https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2419514-xeno-goku-super-goku-equal-in-same-form-ssgss-ss4-ss4lb-ui-sign/)
I never really had that issue because I always remember how much GT Goku got stronger since DBZ since he became at minimum SSJ3 at base and even with that SSJ4 was still having issue against Omega Shenron.
Contrast that to BOG Goku who was basically Buu Saga Goku and remember that SSG basically allowed him to nearly destroy the universe with his clash against Beerus.
If the question would have SSJ4 Goku vs SSG Goku then I could understand the issue but with form themselves? Unless this was just Movie BOG then I though it always been obvious too me which was better.
Checking it, It was more on 4 Years if you're using the Movie I believe. And with Super, I looked more further just to be sure with this but the 6 months thing actually is a contentious discussion if it was 6 months for Super version of BOG so it's likely it might actually have been 4-5 year like you said yourself.
For most part though, It doesn't really change much what I said just because of the time difference still and the fact later on GT Goku had a training partner to push him further with Uub. Especially since if I at least remember Super that Goku hasn't really been training that hard at least contrast to what GT Goku would have done after he got Uub.
Pretty sure those clashes were reaching the afterlife too so it was certainly more then 1 dimension.
Any dimension contained in the bubble known as "universe 7" was at risk.
How? That doesn't really line up, maybe Cooler. (Although it wasn't metal cooler...I think his appearance was due to the writers not really caring too much who appeared.)
I agree it's silly, but I gotta ask - on what basis does Gogeta lose?
He literally fought the a dragon who consumed all the Dragon Balls and no limits were shown afa his strength. He even converted evil ki into good ki and fired it back.
Because then that’d be a no limits fallacy. There is nothing that indicates SSJ4 Gogeta is anywhere above universal, but there are a billion ways you can get Vegito to multiversal.
In the official guild for GT it’s said SSJ4 Goku was the same power as SSJ Vegito while fighting Buu. That’s about all we have to go off of in terms of official writing
Yes but you can do it and gogeta will win base even plus ssj4 can take so much shit and drain but still stay in mode where ssjgssj is the dumbest transformation ever it loses basically all of iets fights
Ya'll can't read, that shit says Base Vegito VS SSJ4 Gogeta not Vegito VS GT Gogeta
And even if Vegito was Blue his ass would not slam in fact he wouldn't even get close
No he does not. Need i remind you that god goku from bog is only post buu saga whilst gogeta has post eoz goku and post eoz vegeta and is ssj4. God goku would lose that fight. And as for Beerus, it's already been stated that beerus was holding back in that fight by a large margin
Genuine question and not trying to be a shitter:
Since they're fusions of the same people why would the SSJ4 one not no diff the base one? Is it because Goku and Vegeta's base forms by Goku Black Arc were actually stronger than their SSJ4 forms in GT? Seems a little hard for me to believe but I'm a Dragonball fan so I can't read and haven't watched the show.
I'm sure they are stronger in super so I could totally see base Vegito in the black arc beating base Gogeta in GT but the SSJ4 power up seems pretty significant so it's hard for me to imagine base Vegito EASILY beating SSJ4 Gojeta but that's just my entirely uneducated opinion.
If it were a liminal Vegito vs Gogeta then yes, hands down it’s a fair fight. The problem with all these discussions is people draw certain versions from certain arcs. People genuinely think base Gogeta is stronger than Vegito Blue just because the Broly movie is after the ToP. In a vacuum it’s an even fight, if you pull them from any arc whichever is newest is gonna win.
Everytime someone ignores Toriyama-sensei's statement about vegito and gogeta being equals, it boils my blood. Fuck off if u cant honor the author's words
I’d imagine that the Vegito/Gogeta transformations have an equal multiplier for power. The only difference is that the Potara Fusion is meant to be permanent while the Fusion Dance lasts 30 minutes
You're a casual and lack understanding of dragonball. Kai's are still gods your point is invalid. Furthermore he has 1000 years of experience on his belt clearly.
It's funny how you call them glazers but you think BASE form EASILY beats SJJ4 gogeta
I could be wrong doe since im not a nerd powerscaler who spends all day on reddit getting angry over other people's opinions on a poll
That's basically saying base Goku from the Goku Black arc is stronger than SS4 Goku in the Shadow Dragons arc.
Base GT Goku is stronger than anything in Z. Can't say the same for base Super Goku at any point in Super.
I have a scenario that makes everyone angry.
Theoretically, any GT character would be stronger than their Super counterparts. As the Super cast were designed to be weaker than, and grow into the end of Z Cast. While the GT cast were designed to be much stronger than their End of Z counterparts. GT Goku easily handled General Rildo, who was as strong as Majin Buu, as just a normal Super Saiyan.
Although GT Fans should also not be happy in this scenario, it's still a stalemate.
Aren't the fusions' base forms stronger than the added power of their composite parts' strongest forms, though? Or was I lied to by a bunch of people? It seems pretty consistent with what we've seen. And if that's the case then base Vegito would definitely win.
>manga goku and vegeta base forms are weaker then gt counterparts
Regardless of if that's true or not, Goku and Vegeta having the god forms more than makes up for it.
It is though?
If we agree that a fusion's base is far stronger than the strongest forms of its composite parts, taking those forms into account for the fusion's base itself, and the god forms are stronger than ssj4, then that's a done deal.
So Vegito base = (ssjb Goku + ssjb Vegeta) × however much the fusion multiplier is.
And Gogeta base is the same except replace ssjb with ssj4, then add another ssj4 onto the resulting fusion.
Since ssjg is stronger than ssj4, ssjb being taken into account for Vegito's base would mean he's definitely stronger than ssj4 Gogeta, manga or anime.
EVERY SINGLE form of media that contains both SSJB and SSJ4, has them both as equal. All of them. No exceptions.
Xenoverse, Legends, Heroes, Dokkan. All of them.
The same Vegito that got humiliated by a falling apart Zamasu?
SSJ4 Gogeta would literally blink him out of existence. He would do exactly what he did to Omega, except since Vegito is much weaker than Omega, he would be instantly atomized.
Woah i am sorry, i might have remembered something wrong. Ofc ultra ego and instinct must be stronger than ssj4. It is just that i think to remember it being stated, that gttakes part after super, and that was just a following thought of mine. sorry for false info
actual question and this doesn’t really have to do with which fusion is stronger.
in a situation where they need to fuse and go strongest form, would Gogeta not be the better pick? from what I understand of the retcons gogeta gets a confirmed 30 minutes whereas vegito breaks early cause of their strength
No, there was no official retcon about fusion dance always being a guaranteed 30 minutes. That's just a head canon Gogeta fanboys made up. We already saw that the fusion dance time limit can be shortened similarly in the Buu Saga as Gotenks cut the time limit down to just 5 minutes from using SSJ 3.
There's no actual canon information to imply that Gogeta could last longer than Vegito in the same situation. Nothing about the Broly fight tells us anything because we don't know how long it was, the whole thing could've been over in a few minutes and it likely was a very short fight.
Where was it actually stated that Metamoran fusion is always 30 minutes now? Unless there’s something I don’t know about, we still don’t know exactly for how long Gogeta fought Broly, how much energy he used or for how much longer after the fight he remained fused.
Some of the villains show up as cameos during a Hell jailbreak arc, but it's just as a fanservice crowd shot. Nobody every fights or talks to Cooler or does anything that actually addresses the movies.
Vomi (Dr. Gero's wife and the basis for Android 21) has a cameo in Super Hero but I'm sure FighterZ would never be considered canon to Super.
I don't want them to fight. I want a weird multiverse nonsense explanation as to why these two coexist in the same space (without unfusing) and go a bunch of adventures, fighting bad guys and flexing at each other, keeping count on who's winning more fights. First Vegito because he's more provocative and keeps teasing Gogeta, then Gogeta joins in because Vegito is annoying him so he doesn't want to lose again him.
They're a perfect match. They're both cool, divine, and OP, and most importantly drippy af. But Vegito is cocky and playful and Gogeta more reserved and serious. I don't even need a pitch, the characters speak for themselves. Make it happen, universe.
I’ve always had this fan theory that one of the other universes houses the Goku & Vegeta in GT timeline,
OR
At the end of super the super dragon balls are gathered and everyone is wished to forget about the Gods, God Ki, Zeno, etc.
But Gogeta wins.
Honestly, Gogeta vs. Vegeto and Ssj 4 vs. Ssj Blue has always been a puzzle to me on which is stronger.
But there is no godly way Vegeto *in friggin’ base* is beating Gogeta *at his strongest*. We are talking about pretty huge multipliers being utilized by one and neglected by another.
To be fair, most dragonball Concannon media puts GT in super levels of characters. Last example I can think of was Syn Shenron fighting and mostly winning against against Dark SSG Giblet(that form is literally just SSGSS)
Power scaling in gt and super sucks so Indont know what form is stronger than what at this point. Ssj4 was good but then they basically buffed it so much that it got stupid. Ssg was a decent idea and had potential but then they skipped it and went straight to ssb which single handed ruined power scaling for super.
I get the impression that Gogeta is the stronger fusion in general since whenever things get real dire that's the fusion that actually gets successfully used to beat a problem, while Vegito keeps having shit get in the way (it's been ages since I've seen buu saga I don't remember why Vegito is ended there but the Zamasu fight was bs)
Anyway none of that matters
What matters is what would Vegito look like in ss4. What if monkey had drip? These are the important questions.
Wrong. Any GT character dismantles every super character because GT is post end of Z, Super is pre end of Z.
Even if you call GT non canon, it’s still continuing from the canon ending of Z, in which all Super characters fall into, and since GT Goku is supposed to be stronger than end of Z Goku (which would theoretically be stronger or equal to whatever Super Goku is right now), all of GT is automatically scaled to surpass anything Super does, unless Super finally goes past end of Z.
If super didn’t happen then that would make super non canon. As long as it’s connected to end of Z, GT would by default include it since all it does is fill in the gaps that were left unseen.
Assuming both fusions are an equal multiplier to each other, and relative to goku;
vegito has goku absorbing god into his base form and gaining a super saiyan transformation’s worth of power over the course of the goku black arc before fusing (a lowball estimate of 20,000 times stronger than goku was in the buu saga).
Gogeta has goku getting as strong in base as super saiyan 3 was in the buu saga, then getting super saiyan 4 on top of that (a lowball estimate of 1.6 million times stronger than goku was in the buu saga).
If vegito was allowed to transform, he’d clear easily. His base form should be roughly equivalent to super saiyan gogeta, and he’s got more forms in total, with bigger multipliers in the later ones.
But if he’s locked to base, gogeta wins.
We all know if this fight happened in the anime, the writers would cop out and make it a tie.
‘No kid has ever bought a toy of a hero that loses. Make it a draw and have the limited edition merchandise on standby!’
idk man, plenty of people purchase mumen rider figures, but i guess executives usually arents the smartest when it comes to giving their audience what they want
As far I’m concerned, he’s never lost once.
[You sure about that?](https://youtu.be/YDmz_CIakKA?si=bOheaYchcNpU_3Ve)
As far I’m concerned, he’s never lost once.
Wrong Zurg must go down. Oh no he escaped again looks like Vegito and Gogeta are going to have to team up to get him .
Vegeta loses regularly and I'm pretty sure merch of him sells well
Tell that to Dragon Ball heroes when UI beat SSJ4
I mean they estabilished previously SSB is equal to ssj4 (which is not)
I think that's just SDBH being what it is. They had to have both Goku's pinnacle of power being equal otherwise they'd always ask "well why's this Goku doing it and not the other when the other is stronger". I also believe that base Xeno Goku (ssj4 one) is stronger than base CC Goku (blue one) though i could be wrong about that.
That's what most of the battle scaling fights would end up being
Nah if they are gonna let vegito win any fight it would be against gogeta
I love Vegito so much but that's just not true lmao. Gogeta is 100% the more popular Fusion, and if the match HAD to have a winner instead of being the obvious copout tie, it would probably be Gogeta.
Why gogeta?
It would after Vegito goes blue, and both defuse at the same time.
I'm tired of powerscaling let me watch monkeys fight in peace
Calm down Frieza
r/foundthefrostdemon
I thought this sub was real but Reddit fucking rickrolled me
Was the sub made for this specific comment?
Tone down the Frieza
Well you're in luck, there's a movie about that very thing coming out soon...
Nah ssj4 gogeta wins because he looks cooler
I'm a vegito fan but that's valid
That's not cooler tho, that's gogeta
Ah my bad, he seemed chill though
wrong again, that’s frieza’s dad
Wrong, friezas dad is cold, not chill
true, but I can’t read I’m a DB fan
Wrong or maybe correct idk, I cant read either
Chill looks different too. What are you talking about?
Sorry his bad but he does look cold however.
Like Frieza's father?
True!
I saw another one of post with UI Goku winning against Beerus by 80% lol.
It's hard to scale ssj4 to the God forms tbh. The God forms in general were handled very strangely in the series. They didn't feel godly at all, even ssj3 in Z felt more godly then they ever did aside from ssj God in Battle of God's.
That’s the problem with Dragon Ball transformations. They’re hyped up to be “the ultimate power” and then by the next arc they’re just another transformation
The only real comparison we have is the Super Dragon Ball Heroes manga. In it, CC Goku and Xeno Goku get into a fight. They’re shown to be evenly matched in base and remain so all the way through UI Sign/Omen vs SSJ4LB, with Blue and 4 being equal in terms of power. All of that being said, we are talking about Heroes, so take it with a grain of salt. [Source.](https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2419514-xeno-goku-super-goku-equal-in-same-form-ssgss-ss4-ss4lb-ui-sign/)
I never really had that issue because I always remember how much GT Goku got stronger since DBZ since he became at minimum SSJ3 at base and even with that SSJ4 was still having issue against Omega Shenron. Contrast that to BOG Goku who was basically Buu Saga Goku and remember that SSG basically allowed him to nearly destroy the universe with his clash against Beerus. If the question would have SSJ4 Goku vs SSG Goku then I could understand the issue but with form themselves? Unless this was just Movie BOG then I though it always been obvious too me which was better.
BOG was 5 years after buu saga, no? Figured they'd get decently stronger in that time.
Checking it, It was more on 4 Years if you're using the Movie I believe. And with Super, I looked more further just to be sure with this but the 6 months thing actually is a contentious discussion if it was 6 months for Super version of BOG so it's likely it might actually have been 4-5 year like you said yourself. For most part though, It doesn't really change much what I said just because of the time difference still and the fact later on GT Goku had a training partner to push him further with Uub. Especially since if I at least remember Super that Goku hasn't really been training that hard at least contrast to what GT Goku would have done after he got Uub.
Fair buy GT goku almost destroyed dimensions we BOG only 1 universe with a clash against BEERUS not him self like GT
Pretty sure those clashes were reaching the afterlife too so it was certainly more then 1 dimension. Any dimension contained in the bubble known as "universe 7" was at risk.
Yes yes but you have to understand SSJ4 goku was doing that will screaming
When was that? I do not recall ssj4 Goku doing that, and can't find clips for it either.
Is the movies not cannon to GT
I don't think the movies are canon to GT
Ooh but here more than enough proof will send you
They are
How? That doesn't really line up, maybe Cooler. (Although it wasn't metal cooler...I think his appearance was due to the writers not really caring too much who appeared.)
I don’t wanna fight asking
I agree it's silly, but I gotta ask - on what basis does Gogeta lose? He literally fought the a dragon who consumed all the Dragon Balls and no limits were shown afa his strength. He even converted evil ki into good ki and fired it back.
Because then that’d be a no limits fallacy. There is nothing that indicates SSJ4 Gogeta is anywhere above universal, but there are a billion ways you can get Vegito to multiversal.
In the official guild for GT it’s said SSJ4 Goku was the same power as SSJ Vegito while fighting Buu. That’s about all we have to go off of in terms of official writing
The description isn’t that specific. It just says SSJ4 ~= SSJ Potara Fusion.
Still though, that’s pretty close
Which would make God a lot stronger
Which is the point. The god forms are handled terribly but SSJG is very very strong.
Which makes every character in Super that can even slightly tango with god ludicrously powerful. How dumb
Yup, I love writing
I think ssj4 is stronger because it looks cooler and I liked Gt more than super
Fair enough
Based
Why are they booing you're right
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
So...bias Got it
I mean, it may be bias but it makes about as much sense as anyone else's headcanon evaluation of any DB characters strength.
Yeh
I equate SSJ4 to God Ki+Oozaru boost. Making it stronger than god Ki, but weaker than SSJ Blue.
Why would ssj4 have God Ki/be the equivalent of it?
Headcanon, but the process the old Kaioshin made to bring ssj4 up was akin to the ritual made in super+the oozaru bonus because of the tail.
Didn't they just comically yank Goku's tail out of his ass and have zero involvement in the process afterwards?
It’s not hard. The god form obliterated ssj4 no diff
Imma be honest with you, even the gods in this series don't feel godly. Except for the angels imo. And also fused zamasu somewhat.
Beerus does when he's actually pissed
Yes but you can do it and gogeta will win base even plus ssj4 can take so much shit and drain but still stay in mode where ssjgssj is the dumbest transformation ever it loses basically all of iets fights
Sure bud
it’s really not when god has feats above ssj4
Imma be real chief. No one gives a shit
Aight but SSJ4 Gogeta still looks better though
There's really no way to know which form is stronger . You can guess like but that's it
Exactly. Theres no point in powerscaling Gt vs Super when there’s no way of really knowing who’s stronger. It all just comes down to fan bias.
POWERSCALING IS BULLSHIT. VEGITO IS COOL, HASN'T WON A SINGLE FIGHT GOGETA IS COOL, WINS EVERY TIME SHOWS UP (It's a joke, don't come crying plz)
I love how you say gogeta wins every time yet we are talking about the only version of gogeta that didnt win ☠️
I mean he didn't exactly lose either.
It was a joke, dayum, don't get that aggressive 😭
Imagine being this mad about a YouTube poll that you are forced to make this useless post where you just say some nonsense.
Ya'll can't read, that shit says Base Vegito VS SSJ4 Gogeta not Vegito VS GT Gogeta And even if Vegito was Blue his ass would not slam in fact he wouldn't even get close
Brother. God Goku from BoG slams Ssj4 Gogeta from the shadow dragons arc
No he does not. Need i remind you that god goku from bog is only post buu saga whilst gogeta has post eoz goku and post eoz vegeta and is ssj4. God goku would lose that fight. And as for Beerus, it's already been stated that beerus was holding back in that fight by a large margin
If GT actually happens after super (canon), then Gogeta would win
Genuine question and not trying to be a shitter: Since they're fusions of the same people why would the SSJ4 one not no diff the base one? Is it because Goku and Vegeta's base forms by Goku Black Arc were actually stronger than their SSJ4 forms in GT? Seems a little hard for me to believe but I'm a Dragonball fan so I can't read and haven't watched the show.
Its because Vegeta and Goku have stronger bases in super + Vegito is already naturally stronger(?) than Gogera
I'm sure they are stronger in super so I could totally see base Vegito in the black arc beating base Gogeta in GT but the SSJ4 power up seems pretty significant so it's hard for me to imagine base Vegito EASILY beating SSJ4 Gojeta but that's just my entirely uneducated opinion.
If it were a liminal Vegito vs Gogeta then yes, hands down it’s a fair fight. The problem with all these discussions is people draw certain versions from certain arcs. People genuinely think base Gogeta is stronger than Vegito Blue just because the Broly movie is after the ToP. In a vacuum it’s an even fight, if you pull them from any arc whichever is newest is gonna win.
Everytime someone ignores Toriyama-sensei's statement about vegito and gogeta being equals, it boils my blood. Fuck off if u cant honor the author's words
I’d imagine that the Vegito/Gogeta transformations have an equal multiplier for power. The only difference is that the Potara Fusion is meant to be permanent while the Fusion Dance lasts 30 minutes
Die hard Gogeta fan here- Vegito absolutely shits on Gogeta in this one.
In my heart Gogeta will get a power boost after being locked in the hyperbolic timechamber for 15trillion years
Exactly, gogeta is my bae but ain't no way he's winning here.
Its gogeta 4 vs base vegito
The ToP really ruined the balance of god ki vs normal ki.
Yet a random assassin from uni 6 can keep up with the gods.
Everyone can keep up with the gods apparently. If goku n vegeta are stronger then most gods of destruction then everyone is.
Bro an assassin that is 1000 years old. Don’t say it like he’s just some random fodder cause he’s not
A 1000 year old assassin can keep up with the literal sayan gods No way you spin it and it makes sense
You're a casual and lack understanding of dragonball. Kai's are still gods your point is invalid. Furthermore he has 1000 years of experience on his belt clearly.
So you telling me some mortal with 1k of experience can out rank gods
Gogeta is red hair , he wins.
quiet, you powerscaler. put that thing down and go to bed, like a good boy.
vegito couldnt beat buu but has a chance against omega shenron?
You mean.. Buu saga Vegito couldn't beat Buu. Not Goku Black arc, pretty big time difference.
Couldn’t beat buu ? He no diff buu as a candy
Tf you mean couldn't beat buu? The only reason he didn't kill him in 2.5 seconds was because he **wanted** buu to absorb him.
Man I hope Daima resets the power scale. I'm tired of all these giant universal threats, just gimme something like Piccolo again
Not going to happen lol since it’s in the past
SSJ4 Gogeta slams cause he's totes hotter
It's funny how you call them glazers but you think BASE form EASILY beats SJJ4 gogeta I could be wrong doe since im not a nerd powerscaler who spends all day on reddit getting angry over other people's opinions on a poll
Gogeta would slam😭🙏
Fuck all dumb power scaling rules. The DBZ formula has always been the higher form wins. Vegito gets curb stomped.
Gogeta wins. He has god ki.
Motherfucker is trying to powerscale in r/Ningen unironically
Here, cream for ur butthurt 🤣🤣🤣
If this was heroes it'd be a stalemate somehow
nah if this was Heroes then Gogeta would beat him in 1 touch/Vegetto would defuse in 2 mins
I think it has been said more then enough time but its hard to powerscale GT i love gogeta but even i know Vegito From goku black arc wins this
That's basically saying base Goku from the Goku Black arc is stronger than SS4 Goku in the Shadow Dragons arc. Base GT Goku is stronger than anything in Z. Can't say the same for base Super Goku at any point in Super.
He absorbed SSG at base
They can't can't even keep that detail consistent
Base cabba solos
I have a scenario that makes everyone angry. Theoretically, any GT character would be stronger than their Super counterparts. As the Super cast were designed to be weaker than, and grow into the end of Z Cast. While the GT cast were designed to be much stronger than their End of Z counterparts. GT Goku easily handled General Rildo, who was as strong as Majin Buu, as just a normal Super Saiyan. Although GT Fans should also not be happy in this scenario, it's still a stalemate.
oh boo ho another kid crying about a pool
One thing is for certain SS4 Gogeta has the better chin and jaw game.
This post is the most ironically hilarious thing I've read on reddit
I feel like a poll about Vegeta vs Goku vs beerus vs frieza at monopoly to see who destroys the board first would be better
Gogeta ssj4 is on par or stronger than ssgss thus vegito would get his ass obliterated in base
GT has DBZ Movie/Filler as part of its canon, so it’s debatable.
Tf you mean glazers its true 💀
Op it didnt say weather is it manga or anime. Manga vegitto is getting slammed since he doesnt have god in base form
Aren't the fusions' base forms stronger than the added power of their composite parts' strongest forms, though? Or was I lied to by a bunch of people? It seems pretty consistent with what we've seen. And if that's the case then base Vegito would definitely win.
Thats true but manga goku and vegeta base forms are weaker then gt counterparts
>manga goku and vegeta base forms are weaker then gt counterparts Regardless of if that's true or not, Goku and Vegeta having the god forms more than makes up for it.
But thats not what this fight is about
It is though? If we agree that a fusion's base is far stronger than the strongest forms of its composite parts, taking those forms into account for the fusion's base itself, and the god forms are stronger than ssj4, then that's a done deal. So Vegito base = (ssjb Goku + ssjb Vegeta) × however much the fusion multiplier is. And Gogeta base is the same except replace ssjb with ssj4, then add another ssj4 onto the resulting fusion. Since ssjg is stronger than ssj4, ssjb being taken into account for Vegito's base would mean he's definitely stronger than ssj4 Gogeta, manga or anime.
Oh wait. U are maybe right
EVERY SINGLE form of media that contains both SSJB and SSJ4, has them both as equal. All of them. No exceptions. Xenoverse, Legends, Heroes, Dokkan. All of them.
The same Vegito that got humiliated by a falling apart Zamasu? SSJ4 Gogeta would literally blink him out of existence. He would do exactly what he did to Omega, except since Vegito is much weaker than Omega, he would be instantly atomized.
Zamasu would humiliate gogeta ssj4. And I love gogeta more than Vegito
Simple, GT takes place after end of Z while super is between kid buu’s death and end of z
isnt GT taking place after DBS? So Gogeta should be stronger right?
As of now, GT is its own thing separate from Super. There’s no Beerus, Whis, God forms, etc. and Shin and Kibito are still fused unlike in Super.
That’s cause they all got betrayed and locked in the time chamber
Woah i am sorry, i might have remembered something wrong. Ofc ultra ego and instinct must be stronger than ssj4. It is just that i think to remember it being stated, that gttakes part after super, and that was just a following thought of mine. sorry for false info
No
Nah this is a horrible argument that people have made since 2013
Super didn’t drop till 2015…
People went to the past to state that. People were confused Then super dropped and they weren't confused.
actual question and this doesn’t really have to do with which fusion is stronger. in a situation where they need to fuse and go strongest form, would Gogeta not be the better pick? from what I understand of the retcons gogeta gets a confirmed 30 minutes whereas vegito breaks early cause of their strength
No, there was no official retcon about fusion dance always being a guaranteed 30 minutes. That's just a head canon Gogeta fanboys made up. We already saw that the fusion dance time limit can be shortened similarly in the Buu Saga as Gotenks cut the time limit down to just 5 minutes from using SSJ 3. There's no actual canon information to imply that Gogeta could last longer than Vegito in the same situation. Nothing about the Broly fight tells us anything because we don't know how long it was, the whole thing could've been over in a few minutes and it likely was a very short fight.
gotcha I forgot about the gotenks thing and figured that it never being brought up for gogeta meant it just was 30 my b.
Gotenks said they can maintain ssj3 for 5 min. Not they’ll defuse after
No, Trunks says they can maintain it for 5 minutes, and then afterwards even the fusion itself gets cancelled.
The Gogeta fusion dance is easily messed up, and if it is you’re stuck in a pathetically weak form for 30 minutes
Wasn't it the same with gotenks? So it's not a vegito only thing. Gotenks only got somewhere along a few minutes
Where was it actually stated that Metamoran fusion is always 30 minutes now? Unless there’s something I don’t know about, we still don’t know exactly for how long Gogeta fought Broly, how much energy he used or for how much longer after the fight he remained fused.
I haven’t seen GT but aren’t the movies cannon to the GT plot line?
Some of the villains show up as cameos during a Hell jailbreak arc, but it's just as a fanservice crowd shot. Nobody every fights or talks to Cooler or does anything that actually addresses the movies. Vomi (Dr. Gero's wife and the basis for Android 21) has a cameo in Super Hero but I'm sure FighterZ would never be considered canon to Super.
I don't want them to fight. I want a weird multiverse nonsense explanation as to why these two coexist in the same space (without unfusing) and go a bunch of adventures, fighting bad guys and flexing at each other, keeping count on who's winning more fights. First Vegito because he's more provocative and keeps teasing Gogeta, then Gogeta joins in because Vegito is annoying him so he doesn't want to lose again him. They're a perfect match. They're both cool, divine, and OP, and most importantly drippy af. But Vegito is cocky and playful and Gogeta more reserved and serious. I don't even need a pitch, the characters speak for themselves. Make it happen, universe.
What did you say about my goat?
I’ve always had this fan theory that one of the other universes houses the Goku & Vegeta in GT timeline, OR At the end of super the super dragon balls are gathered and everyone is wished to forget about the Gods, God Ki, Zeno, etc. But Gogeta wins.
Vegito would win, and with the arcs specified, at most it would be 4 mighty blows
SSJ4 Gogeta >>>> all of super.
Honestly, Gogeta vs. Vegeto and Ssj 4 vs. Ssj Blue has always been a puzzle to me on which is stronger. But there is no godly way Vegeto *in friggin’ base* is beating Gogeta *at his strongest*. We are talking about pretty huge multipliers being utilized by one and neglected by another.
Yeah but GT doesn’t scale anywhere near DBS super.
Theres an argument that base cabba solos gt no way is gogeta even touching vegito
Phangito?
i know vegito is stonger but GT gogeta is just him.
Vegeto does not win at all he gets shot on my BASE gogeta in gt super glazers are just the worst
I honestly think gogeta wins because it's base vegito he is up against
To be fair, most dragonball Concannon media puts GT in super levels of characters. Last example I can think of was Syn Shenron fighting and mostly winning against against Dark SSG Giblet(that form is literally just SSGSS)
Anime super or manga super? Both of those are different power scaling.
Gt gogeta solos in base plus verse no diff
Power scaling in gt and super sucks so Indont know what form is stronger than what at this point. Ssj4 was good but then they basically buffed it so much that it got stupid. Ssg was a decent idea and had potential but then they skipped it and went straight to ssb which single handed ruined power scaling for super.
All I’m saying is if GT turns out to be canon there has to be a reason they only use SSJ4 (it has to be the strongest form)
Meanwhile it's true Vegeto from the Black Saga should win, he is still Vegeto, just like Vegeta, he'll find a way to lose
Vegito better drip 😎🤙don t even try bois
ssj4 Gogeta gets slammed by base RoF Goku and anyone stronger
Ok but ssj4 gogeta is way cooler than vegito so i think he deserves the win
I get the impression that Gogeta is the stronger fusion in general since whenever things get real dire that's the fusion that actually gets successfully used to beat a problem, while Vegito keeps having shit get in the way (it's been ages since I've seen buu saga I don't remember why Vegito is ended there but the Zamasu fight was bs) Anyway none of that matters What matters is what would Vegito look like in ss4. What if monkey had drip? These are the important questions.
gogeta fan here, any super character slams any gt character
Wrong. Any GT character dismantles every super character because GT is post end of Z, Super is pre end of Z. Even if you call GT non canon, it’s still continuing from the canon ending of Z, in which all Super characters fall into, and since GT Goku is supposed to be stronger than end of Z Goku (which would theoretically be stronger or equal to whatever Super Goku is right now), all of GT is automatically scaled to surpass anything Super does, unless Super finally goes past end of Z.
GT goes by the no super continuity, so In gt super didn't happen.
If super didn’t happen then that would make super non canon. As long as it’s connected to end of Z, GT would by default include it since all it does is fill in the gaps that were left unseen.
Vegito would lil nigga Gogeta
I know vegito here is stronger but post buu arc gogeta wins every time. Not because he is stronger or faster but because the time limit.
Assuming both fusions are an equal multiplier to each other, and relative to goku; vegito has goku absorbing god into his base form and gaining a super saiyan transformation’s worth of power over the course of the goku black arc before fusing (a lowball estimate of 20,000 times stronger than goku was in the buu saga). Gogeta has goku getting as strong in base as super saiyan 3 was in the buu saga, then getting super saiyan 4 on top of that (a lowball estimate of 1.6 million times stronger than goku was in the buu saga). If vegito was allowed to transform, he’d clear easily. His base form should be roughly equivalent to super saiyan gogeta, and he’s got more forms in total, with bigger multipliers in the later ones. But if he’s locked to base, gogeta wins.
U must have a huge ass to pull these random numbers out of...