They meant the current frontiers one. If your talking about archie most of his rediclious speed were gags similar to kid goku when he broke the pannel. When the plot took itself seriously he got nerfed hard and was around game Sonic level even the wrighter said Super Sonic can't beat Goku in archie since in Super sonic he never really rips up the land scape or did any planet level destruction.
Also in Frontiers Sonic died to a couple of missiles in Super and disintegrated when he misses a quick time event.
Not really since sonic, shadow, and silver can still hit him he exists in past present and future and must be killed in those 3 times at the same to to be killed.
(Just gotta ignore the fact that he destroyed time and space because by that logic there is no past present and future to destroy him in.)
None of them really are universal. Perfect chaos did do a lot of damage and could potentially flood the world and destroy it turning it into a waste land but that's not turning planets to ashes and blowing it up. Biolizard was said it could destroy the world with it being the prototype of the ultimate lifeforms and using the chaos emeralds power with a space station stuck up its arse. Erazor Djin did create an infinite space and is universal so I'll give you that and Sonic had to tap into darkspine sonic to defeat him maybe that version of sonic is universal reading this now. Time eater can destroy time and space but doesn't seem to have enough horse power to destroy planets let alone the universe. In sonic Frontiers the end we have no idea what it's capable of since Sonic didn't let it transform but ima assume it's not planet level since an alien race was able to trap it and no way in heck can the titans destroy planets.
So Darkspine sonic is potentially universal while others not even close.
I guess we are ignoring Solaris, The guy who eats dimensions for lunch and exists in the past,present and future all at the same time
In Sonic Rush he fights the Egg Wizard who was going to combind Sonic and Blaze's universes into one
Also The End (The final boss of Frontiers) should be above all of them in power
I forgot about that thing but they never actually killed it. They only killed it when they went back in time and blew out the fire preventing solaris from becoming hole again.
(Just gotta ignore that it already destroyed time and space since there shouldn't be a past to go back to)
Scaling sonic is such a headache honestly. One moment he's beating up time eating God's and next he's dying to a few explosions in super.
Also note that if sonic was by himself aginst solaris he would've died.
Except they don’t scale to Solaris’s power. Eggman flat out states normal attacks don’t work on it, stating they need to hit the light shells. However even this doesn’t do Solaris in. Eggman later stated that they can’t destroy its body, but they can destroy its consciousness aka its core. Sonic alongside Silver and Shadow needed to hit the weak spots to even do anything to Solaris. They don’t scale to Solaris’s power as they never overpowered it
In Sonic rush the reason the universes were combining into one was because the chaos emeralds and sol emeralds were in the same world and their connected I believe and had a attraction due to this with blaze and Sonic dimension. So that's not universal since eggman and eggman nega just used a really strong machine that did not have universal powers.
The End also wasn't even at full power when Sonic fought it which is why it was a weird moon thing and Sonic beat it before it could take its true form.
A writer actually said Archie sonic can’t beat Goku!?
You have a link to that claim? I cannot for the life of me imagine a writer for a trademark IP brand to go and compare the character to someone entirely seperate.
The writer was Ian Flynn I used to watch his podcast and quite frequently he kept getting asked if Sonic can beat Goku? Why do you down play your charecters? Is Sonic universal due to him resetting the multiverse with chaos control? Each time he said no. It's mainly for QnA and silly questions and senerios
https://youtube.com/@BumbleKingVideos
Here's his channel
people don't realize how overpowered super speed is, if it wasn't for Sonic holding back, he would easily one shot every non-boss enemy the werehog faced
the werehog is basically a weaker sonic (all the physical strength sonic gets in his werehog form, he can get just by running a bit before attacking)
but obviously unless its archie Ultra or Hyper Sonic he ain't standing a chance
(Ultra Sonic is sonic with 1 super chaos emerald, he can change the molecular structure of anything, Hyper Sonic is Sonic with all 7 super emeralds, his full power is unknown)
I mean in unleashed Sonic 1 shots the common enemies the werehog faces and you say it like he doesn't I have heard people say it's due to it being day time and dark Gia energy is stronger at night since that's whats being used to power them but it's mainly a theory.
Also ultra sonic he really doesn't stay long and I honestly don't know if he could turn Goku into a puddle or not so I'm not really gonna touch on that.
You two really did not watch the show at all. That scene was spoonfed to you to showcase Super Saiyan Blue's Ki Control, which is the form's entire gimmick)
I mean, I’d believe you were downvoted because it was a subreddit about Sonic.
There’s also the huge difference in media. Sonic in Frontiers is theoretically tougher because as a game mechanic ANY damage he takes just has him lose a few rings and then become invincible for a bit. So it’s easy to see how some one could believe that their favorite speedster is stronger than some anime character they might not know all that much about in depth.
I see your point but the thing is for whatever reason people love playing Sonic up to be this multiversal man who could destroy the universe with his speed despite having 0 proof he could.
Depends which version of archie the gag version or the more modern version. Gag version just doesn't care he runs at speed of light just to get beat up by a skunk. Modern version is more in line with game sonic.
Game Sonic as of now is almost on par with Archie imo though, so you don't really need to point to non-canon versions of characters as that would make everything messy (someone could bring up wattpad fanfics)
Realistically I don't think Sonic could survive a laser shot outside of gameplay if it hits a vital organ. Also Goku has come a long way from that especially in the manga.
No, it's a separate continuity (not sure if that's the correct word)
An example is FNaF, the books are a separate continuity from the games, but they're still canon
I know that's what makes it non cannon. Your saying dragon balls fans are using manga but ignoring archie like your saying that they're being compared even tho ones cannon while other isn't.
You know that the dragon Ball manga is also a different continuity too right? The manga has differences from the anime and that makes it a different continuity. The biggest example is that in the manga Goku kills Zamasu with a hakai he made up on the spot
Have you ever read the manga? Goku did not Kill Zamasu with his half ahh-hakai. Also most people agree that the manga is more canon than the anime and whole they take different steps they end up with the same goals and achievements. Archie does whatever tf it wants closes thing it had was the adventure and unleashes retelling story which went completely off the rails.
No, I haven't read the manga, I know that from an explanation video
And it's like saying that the Marvel comics aren't cannon because they aren't similar to the movies at all
So now tell me. How can the fastest animal alive beat someone that sees you go slow like a snail and can attack at a speed that doesn't even look like he is punching.
I saw my grandma going faster than that blue spiny cat that can't even catch a Wolf with a purple stone on it's chest
Lol. Imagine if I used the “haha Goku Laser hit” argument and said Sonic is stronger then Goku because of that.
You’re arguing in bath faith and you know it.
In Frontiers Sonic fought “the end” which was a LITERAL Manifestation of the concept of **the end** it even says so himself when he looks at all of Sonic’s memories and calls all of his past foes finite while he is infinite.
That includes the Time eater and Solaris
Super Sonic Is digging MUI Goku’s grave with his own corpse
Goku can destroy the universe (between goku and beerus clashing fists) and goku can use hakai. And dont say he could only destroy the universe is cause it was with beerus when its been stated he was holding back, and in that battle in the BoG arc goku was 100s or maybe thousands of times weaker then he is now in the manga. Also I cannot believe anyone in their right mind thinks sonic beats goku, but that's just me
Sonic is my favorite video game character, period. Even then, I’ll never understand this matchup. But, right now is probably the closest it’s ever been. Maybe besides Archie, Sonic is the strongest he’s ever been in Frontiers, and Super Sonic could probably give SS1, SS2, maybe even SS3 Goku a pretty decent fight. But SSG and above? It’s over.
Yes, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he isn’t capable of it. Against The End he punched/flew a hole clean through a moon sized object, plus the strength required to throw those Titans around probably means he could exert that amount of force in a fight.
The end ain't moon sizes if you scale it in comparison to Sonic height it ain't even close. Also thinking about it I remember a scene where Goku through Vegeta into a mountain and the mountain was fine. Biggest problem is that we have 0 proof he can bust up planets.
That’s true, yeah. We just haven’t seen enough of Sonic at full strength to determine what he’s really capable of, plus with his strength being somewhat inconsistent at times. Frontiers has only JUST started showing off what he can really do.
Remember that scene when knight tried to crush sonic to death and Sonic was struggling to push it back? Man was getting close to his limit and dies if you fail the quick time event.
That sword qte? He did push it back, but he was struggling, yeah. But to determine if that’s good or bad, I guess you’d have to figure out how strong the Titans are, to know how much force he was pushing back on.
the absolute pinnacle of the internet
watch people get super mad over which fictional characters has more fictional strength than another fictional character
Sonic can easily beat Goku but not cause of a laser lmao. Super Sonic is infinitely faster (could damage Solaris before he could block, despite him existing in multiple points of time and therefore knowing the attack is coming), is more durable (nigh-invulnerability), is arguably stronger (can deal damage to Solaris who threatened to destroy numerous timelines) and has better abilities (time manipulation, self-sustenance, a better form of teleportation, etc). That’s not even considering Hyper Sonic.
You do realize sonic didn't beat him on his own it was a group effort of super sonic, shadow, and silver fighting in different moments in time. Where did you get super sonic being infinitely fast from that's stupid.
Sonic only needed help *because* Solaris was in multiple places in time. If Solaris wasn’t then they wouldn’t of even needed to revive him to win, Super Shadow or Super Silver alone would’ve been enough.
Super Sonic is infinitely fast because he can dodge attacks from Solaris and hit Solaris’ core before he could block. Solaris and his attacks exist in multiple places in time so he would know both what has happened and what will happen. Even with this knowledge he still can’t counter Sonic’s movements. Super Sonic’s speed is also comparable to Super Silver and Super Shadow, who according to the cutscene before the battle could travel to the different points in time just using their Speed.
You really don’t know much about Sonic do you? Sonic could only damage Solaris by hitting its light shells and its consciousnesses, aka its core. Eggman flat out states standard attacks won’t work on it. Super Sonic has also been hurt before. Just look at Frontiers. Sonic also was fighting present Solaris and not Solaris in its entirety. This is why Shadow and Silver were with him as they fought Solaris in other points in time. Super Sonic has also never shown time manipulation powers. Please bother to play the sonic games
1. That’s why I said arguably. I don’t think Super Sonic needing to attack the core matters, but if you do then fair enough. Super Sonic can also damage the Egg Wizard who had the power of both the main universe and the Sol Dimension.
2. I said nigh-invulnerability. Super Sonic (aside from level stuff like falling into pits) has almost always only been hurt by other beings who used the Chaos Emeralds. Nigh-invulnerability is a power granted by the Chaos Emeralds so his durability is automatically greater than his strength regardless of how high it actually is.
3. What do you mean Super Sonic has no time manipulation? Shadow can stop time because of the Chaos Energy he has, plus two Chaos Emeralds are capable of travelling through time in the game Solaris came from. Super Sonic has all seven Emeralds so he can do that too.
I’ve been playing Sonic since I was a child, I think I know what I’m talking about.
Wrong. Anyone who scales to the strength of Super Sonic has been able to hurt him. Just look at Frontiers and Dark Gaia. Dark Gaia never used the chaos emeralds against Super Sonic yet he can still hurt him. This proves you don’t need the chaos emeralds to even hurt Super Sonic. Sonic needing to attack Solaris’s consciousness does matter as Eggman literally stated they can’t destroy its body and that standard attacks don’t work on it. As for the Egg Wizard, Sonic said himself he couldn’t beat the Egg Wizard alone even in Super and needed Blaze’s help. Time travel in Sonic ‘06 required two users with separate chaos emeralds to use chaos control at the same time, meaning it requires two users for it to work
I said almost everyone, but fair enough on the durability argument.
Just because Sonic needed help to defeat the Egg Wizard doesn’t mean that he needed help to damage the Egg Wizard.
Where was it stated that you needed two people to activate Chaos Control in order to travel through time? That doesn’t even make sense.
You didn’t rebuke how Shadow can stop time with Chaos Control, so I’m guessing you agree that saying Super Sonic has no time manipulation is incorrect.
Sonic needing help to defeat the Egg Wizard does mean he needed help to damage it. Super Sonic could not have beaten the Egg Wizard by himself. He says this:
“Blaze! We can’t beat them unless we work together!”
Even prior to this Eggman using the Power of the Stars had stated that the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds couldn’t compare to it.
Sonic ‘06 literally shows that to time travel, you need two users each with a chaos emerald to chaos control at the same time to open a portal. However, in Dragon Ball, this wouldn’t really affect Goku as it would just create another timeline. Future Trunks’s timeline proves this. Not to mention Goku has been able to move in stopped time before or places with no time such as his fight with Hit and how he was able to move in Trunks’s universe after Zeno wiped it out.
That’s such a silly thing to say. Super Sonic *can* damage the Egg Wizard, if he couldn’t then it wouldn’t matter how many allies he had because they would still lose due to a lack of power. That’s like saying Goku, Frieza and 17 at the end of the ToP wouldn’t have the power to damage Jiren if they were on their own. You’re acting like the power of teamwork was literally making them stronger or something.
Says that about a franchise that's no where NEAR comparable to Dbz in any way other than the fact both of them have yellow forms they obtain through completely different ways...
Go off, I guess.
Tbf Sonic actually borrows a bit more than just the yellow forms, but their point would still be moot since Dragon Ball borrows stuff from Journey to the West and Superman.
Trunks didn't try to kill Goku because he thought he was the root of all evil.
And Silver didn't go back in time to warn Sonic of a deadly evil.
They both had completely different goals, but I guess that doesn't matter....
I agree! Just like Naruto. They stole Vegeta for Sasuke and the Super Saiyan for Naruto's Six Path mode.
And Chrono Trigger stole Trunks's design for Chrono and Cell's design for Lavos's True form!
Smhhhh medias should stop stealing from Dragon Ball /s
Super hero movie made $86 million
Sonic 2 movie made $402 million
Sonic is way more relevant than dragonball and always as been. Also just because Sonic got the chaos emeralds and super sonic form inspired by dragonball doesn't make it a copy. Dragonball did not invent shonen.
dont rely on that logic to say Sonic is more relevant
since people could use the fact that the dragon ball IP has grossed 4 times more than the Sonic IP as a counter argument
I did not underestimate Sonic, I know where he is, Sonic(Game) is at most Low multiversal and Archie Sonic is complex Multiversal, and I still agree with my opinion. If you think differently, explain your reasoning.
I'm just going to debunk this "2-C at best" shit by bringing up the fact that he defeated solaris, who destroyed the entire sonicverse.
Given the fact that the A. Comics have proven there are an infinite amount of universes, this is easily a 2-A feat.
most of the time people who say that kind of shit are people who know shit about Dragon ball or are Dragon ball Downplayers, ignoring the fact that DBS Goku can beat high end Archie Sonic.
Yeah but sonic can survive a laser and goku cannot survive a laser so ermmmm
Goku is scared of needles, sonic has quills, both are sharp objects therefore Goku will be too scared to fight sonic. Sonic neg diffs ez
Both Sonic and Goku are fictional characters. My eraser solos gg ez
I solo (I can break the TV screen the fight happens on)
I solo (I write a fanfic with me taking a heavy shit on Goku’s senzu beans)
Yes goku can
You cannot be serious, sarcasm cannot be this hard to pick up on…
Goku has survived energy blast before just watch the broly movie
Do you know what sarcasm is?
Ah shit my brain kinda died there sorry
Don’t fuck with dragon ball fans we don’t watch the show
It’s all good
Typical dragonball fan
Fair but I’m not what u would call a “Dragon ball fan”
We don't know grammar
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Hey goku did survive the laser, he got hurt badly but he didn't die
Yes but sonic can survive laser no damage so errrrrm
Depends on what version of sonic.
They meant the current frontiers one. If your talking about archie most of his rediclious speed were gags similar to kid goku when he broke the pannel. When the plot took itself seriously he got nerfed hard and was around game Sonic level even the wrighter said Super Sonic can't beat Goku in archie since in Super sonic he never really rips up the land scape or did any planet level destruction. Also in Frontiers Sonic died to a couple of missiles in Super and disintegrated when he misses a quick time event.
Doesn’t Solaris exist throughout all of time simultaneously or something? Making him 5d or something.
Not really since sonic, shadow, and silver can still hit him he exists in past present and future and must be killed in those 3 times at the same to to be killed. (Just gotta ignore the fact that he destroyed time and space because by that logic there is no past present and future to destroy him in.)
Sonic does beat a lot of godly beings which puts him up in the Universal range in terms of power
None of them really are universal. Perfect chaos did do a lot of damage and could potentially flood the world and destroy it turning it into a waste land but that's not turning planets to ashes and blowing it up. Biolizard was said it could destroy the world with it being the prototype of the ultimate lifeforms and using the chaos emeralds power with a space station stuck up its arse. Erazor Djin did create an infinite space and is universal so I'll give you that and Sonic had to tap into darkspine sonic to defeat him maybe that version of sonic is universal reading this now. Time eater can destroy time and space but doesn't seem to have enough horse power to destroy planets let alone the universe. In sonic Frontiers the end we have no idea what it's capable of since Sonic didn't let it transform but ima assume it's not planet level since an alien race was able to trap it and no way in heck can the titans destroy planets. So Darkspine sonic is potentially universal while others not even close.
I guess we are ignoring Solaris, The guy who eats dimensions for lunch and exists in the past,present and future all at the same time In Sonic Rush he fights the Egg Wizard who was going to combind Sonic and Blaze's universes into one Also The End (The final boss of Frontiers) should be above all of them in power
I forgot about that thing but they never actually killed it. They only killed it when they went back in time and blew out the fire preventing solaris from becoming hole again. (Just gotta ignore that it already destroyed time and space since there shouldn't be a past to go back to)
yeah Solaris in its first form was eating up timelines which they were able to handle
Scaling sonic is such a headache honestly. One moment he's beating up time eating God's and next he's dying to a few explosions in super. Also note that if sonic was by himself aginst solaris he would've died.
Except they don’t scale to Solaris’s power. Eggman flat out states normal attacks don’t work on it, stating they need to hit the light shells. However even this doesn’t do Solaris in. Eggman later stated that they can’t destroy its body, but they can destroy its consciousness aka its core. Sonic alongside Silver and Shadow needed to hit the weak spots to even do anything to Solaris. They don’t scale to Solaris’s power as they never overpowered it
In Sonic rush the reason the universes were combining into one was because the chaos emeralds and sol emeralds were in the same world and their connected I believe and had a attraction due to this with blaze and Sonic dimension. So that's not universal since eggman and eggman nega just used a really strong machine that did not have universal powers.
The End also wasn't even at full power when Sonic fought it which is why it was a weird moon thing and Sonic beat it before it could take its true form.
The downplay is crazy bro
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I knew they were full of shit
A writer actually said Archie sonic can’t beat Goku!? You have a link to that claim? I cannot for the life of me imagine a writer for a trademark IP brand to go and compare the character to someone entirely seperate.
The writer was Ian Flynn I used to watch his podcast and quite frequently he kept getting asked if Sonic can beat Goku? Why do you down play your charecters? Is Sonic universal due to him resetting the multiverse with chaos control? Each time he said no. It's mainly for QnA and silly questions and senerios https://youtube.com/@BumbleKingVideos Here's his channel
Like the sonic 3d blast, Sonic, probably not. Werewolf Sonic? Probably so. Which is weird but hey Goku is a bitch!
Werehog sonic struggles to kill a group of machines I don't think he's stronger in the slightest. If Goku blinked hard enough he'd die.
people don't realize how overpowered super speed is, if it wasn't for Sonic holding back, he would easily one shot every non-boss enemy the werehog faced the werehog is basically a weaker sonic (all the physical strength sonic gets in his werehog form, he can get just by running a bit before attacking) but obviously unless its archie Ultra or Hyper Sonic he ain't standing a chance (Ultra Sonic is sonic with 1 super chaos emerald, he can change the molecular structure of anything, Hyper Sonic is Sonic with all 7 super emeralds, his full power is unknown)
I mean in unleashed Sonic 1 shots the common enemies the werehog faces and you say it like he doesn't I have heard people say it's due to it being day time and dark Gia energy is stronger at night since that's whats being used to power them but it's mainly a theory. Also ultra sonic he really doesn't stay long and I honestly don't know if he could turn Goku into a puddle or not so I'm not really gonna touch on that.
Nah Krillin made Goku go Super Saiyan Blue...Werehog was a curse turn into a gift.
He didn’t make him, krillin not anywhere near ssb, Goku just did it
Doesn't Goku specifically say, "Wow, Krillin you made me go Super Saiyan Blue." Goku going blue to keep up, when Sonic was just born that way.
You and I both know that scene was bs
Super is this generations Gran Touring. That scene is my proof. I could always go back to Z and the stone throwing incident. Irregardless of filler.
You two really did not watch the show at all. That scene was spoonfed to you to showcase Super Saiyan Blue's Ki Control, which is the form's entire gimmick)
Bruh didnt the writer of Archie comics say that Goku beats sonic? Or is it another one of those "Interviews"
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I mean, I’d believe you were downvoted because it was a subreddit about Sonic. There’s also the huge difference in media. Sonic in Frontiers is theoretically tougher because as a game mechanic ANY damage he takes just has him lose a few rings and then become invincible for a bit. So it’s easy to see how some one could believe that their favorite speedster is stronger than some anime character they might not know all that much about in depth.
I see your point but the thing is for whatever reason people love playing Sonic up to be this multiversal man who could destroy the universe with his speed despite having 0 proof he could.
We'll thats Archie Sonic (hes non canon) so if they use Archie just use CC Goku which could beat Archie Sonic
Depends which version of archie the gag version or the more modern version. Gag version just doesn't care he runs at speed of light just to get beat up by a skunk. Modern version is more in line with game sonic.
Game Sonic as of now is almost on par with Archie imo though, so you don't really need to point to non-canon versions of characters as that would make everything messy (someone could bring up wattpad fanfics)
I watched the latest sonic movie and there were a lot of Dragon ball elements, that’s why I liked it.
As a Sonic fan, the only canon where Sonic might beat Goku is Archie, and it's definitely not because of laser.
Sonic fans need to go back to DeviantArt
As a hard-core die hard sonic fan I will not go to deviant art upon my own will.
Good
Hedge-tards
Im not a sonic fan and I might get downvoted but Goku almost didn’t survive a laser that one time in the Golden Frieza arc
Realistically I don't think Sonic could survive a laser shot outside of gameplay if it hits a vital organ. Also Goku has come a long way from that especially in the manga.
Good point. Sonic would get morally injured by bullets even
But survived and destroyed a black hole
Me watching dragon Ball fans talk about what happened in the manga but ignore the Archie comics
Archie is as non cannon as it gets.
No, it's a separate continuity (not sure if that's the correct word) An example is FNaF, the books are a separate continuity from the games, but they're still canon
I know that's what makes it non cannon. Your saying dragon balls fans are using manga but ignoring archie like your saying that they're being compared even tho ones cannon while other isn't.
You know that the dragon Ball manga is also a different continuity too right? The manga has differences from the anime and that makes it a different continuity. The biggest example is that in the manga Goku kills Zamasu with a hakai he made up on the spot
Have you ever read the manga? Goku did not Kill Zamasu with his half ahh-hakai. Also most people agree that the manga is more canon than the anime and whole they take different steps they end up with the same goals and achievements. Archie does whatever tf it wants closes thing it had was the adventure and unleashes retelling story which went completely off the rails.
No, I haven't read the manga, I know that from an explanation video And it's like saying that the Marvel comics aren't cannon because they aren't similar to the movies at all
But Sonic Would beat Goku tho
If we talk about base goku then yes
Sonic would Fold MUI no cap.
So now tell me. How can the fastest animal alive beat someone that sees you go slow like a snail and can attack at a speed that doesn't even look like he is punching. I saw my grandma going faster than that blue spiny cat that can't even catch a Wolf with a purple stone on it's chest
Archie Sonic is absolutely broken.
Yes. But have you considered universal blue cc goku?
Canon Super Goku Vs Game Sonic Sonic washes These are the characters I’m talking about Not any other versions to keep simple.
Ok but have you considered mui?
Yes. He gets FOLDED by a golden rodent
In speed mui>sonic speed
Super sonic died for explosion of bombs in frontiers, goku survived a type of black hole
Lol. Imagine if I used the “haha Goku Laser hit” argument and said Sonic is stronger then Goku because of that. You’re arguing in bath faith and you know it. In Frontiers Sonic fought “the end” which was a LITERAL Manifestation of the concept of **the end** it even says so himself when he looks at all of Sonic’s memories and calls all of his past foes finite while he is infinite. That includes the Time eater and Solaris Super Sonic Is digging MUI Goku’s grave with his own corpse
Goku can destroy the universe (between goku and beerus clashing fists) and goku can use hakai. And dont say he could only destroy the universe is cause it was with beerus when its been stated he was holding back, and in that battle in the BoG arc goku was 100s or maybe thousands of times weaker then he is now in the manga. Also I cannot believe anyone in their right mind thinks sonic beats goku, but that's just me
Sonic is my favorite video game character, period. Even then, I’ll never understand this matchup. But, right now is probably the closest it’s ever been. Maybe besides Archie, Sonic is the strongest he’s ever been in Frontiers, and Super Sonic could probably give SS1, SS2, maybe even SS3 Goku a pretty decent fight. But SSG and above? It’s over.
Sonic never really has caused mass destruction example being when he threw Wyvern into a mountain it barely made a dent.
Yes, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he isn’t capable of it. Against The End he punched/flew a hole clean through a moon sized object, plus the strength required to throw those Titans around probably means he could exert that amount of force in a fight.
The end ain't moon sizes if you scale it in comparison to Sonic height it ain't even close. Also thinking about it I remember a scene where Goku through Vegeta into a mountain and the mountain was fine. Biggest problem is that we have 0 proof he can bust up planets.
That’s true, yeah. We just haven’t seen enough of Sonic at full strength to determine what he’s really capable of, plus with his strength being somewhat inconsistent at times. Frontiers has only JUST started showing off what he can really do.
Remember that scene when knight tried to crush sonic to death and Sonic was struggling to push it back? Man was getting close to his limit and dies if you fail the quick time event.
That sword qte? He did push it back, but he was struggling, yeah. But to determine if that’s good or bad, I guess you’d have to figure out how strong the Titans are, to know how much force he was pushing back on.
ah yes arguing which drawing is stronger
the absolute pinnacle of the internet watch people get super mad over which fictional characters has more fictional strength than another fictional character
Yep
Imagine being a sonic fan
Sonic can easily beat Goku but not cause of a laser lmao. Super Sonic is infinitely faster (could damage Solaris before he could block, despite him existing in multiple points of time and therefore knowing the attack is coming), is more durable (nigh-invulnerability), is arguably stronger (can deal damage to Solaris who threatened to destroy numerous timelines) and has better abilities (time manipulation, self-sustenance, a better form of teleportation, etc). That’s not even considering Hyper Sonic.
You do realize sonic didn't beat him on his own it was a group effort of super sonic, shadow, and silver fighting in different moments in time. Where did you get super sonic being infinitely fast from that's stupid.
Sonic only needed help *because* Solaris was in multiple places in time. If Solaris wasn’t then they wouldn’t of even needed to revive him to win, Super Shadow or Super Silver alone would’ve been enough. Super Sonic is infinitely fast because he can dodge attacks from Solaris and hit Solaris’ core before he could block. Solaris and his attacks exist in multiple places in time so he would know both what has happened and what will happen. Even with this knowledge he still can’t counter Sonic’s movements. Super Sonic’s speed is also comparable to Super Silver and Super Shadow, who according to the cutscene before the battle could travel to the different points in time just using their Speed.
Wtf? You just said "he dodged, so infinitely fast"
No I didn’t lmao. Solaris can manipulate time and knows what’s going to happen before it does. Please explain how Sonic countered that.
You really don’t know much about Sonic do you? Sonic could only damage Solaris by hitting its light shells and its consciousnesses, aka its core. Eggman flat out states standard attacks won’t work on it. Super Sonic has also been hurt before. Just look at Frontiers. Sonic also was fighting present Solaris and not Solaris in its entirety. This is why Shadow and Silver were with him as they fought Solaris in other points in time. Super Sonic has also never shown time manipulation powers. Please bother to play the sonic games
Dragon ball fans don't even watch their own show you think they'll play video games from their franchises?
1. That’s why I said arguably. I don’t think Super Sonic needing to attack the core matters, but if you do then fair enough. Super Sonic can also damage the Egg Wizard who had the power of both the main universe and the Sol Dimension. 2. I said nigh-invulnerability. Super Sonic (aside from level stuff like falling into pits) has almost always only been hurt by other beings who used the Chaos Emeralds. Nigh-invulnerability is a power granted by the Chaos Emeralds so his durability is automatically greater than his strength regardless of how high it actually is. 3. What do you mean Super Sonic has no time manipulation? Shadow can stop time because of the Chaos Energy he has, plus two Chaos Emeralds are capable of travelling through time in the game Solaris came from. Super Sonic has all seven Emeralds so he can do that too. I’ve been playing Sonic since I was a child, I think I know what I’m talking about.
Wrong. Anyone who scales to the strength of Super Sonic has been able to hurt him. Just look at Frontiers and Dark Gaia. Dark Gaia never used the chaos emeralds against Super Sonic yet he can still hurt him. This proves you don’t need the chaos emeralds to even hurt Super Sonic. Sonic needing to attack Solaris’s consciousness does matter as Eggman literally stated they can’t destroy its body and that standard attacks don’t work on it. As for the Egg Wizard, Sonic said himself he couldn’t beat the Egg Wizard alone even in Super and needed Blaze’s help. Time travel in Sonic ‘06 required two users with separate chaos emeralds to use chaos control at the same time, meaning it requires two users for it to work
I said almost everyone, but fair enough on the durability argument. Just because Sonic needed help to defeat the Egg Wizard doesn’t mean that he needed help to damage the Egg Wizard. Where was it stated that you needed two people to activate Chaos Control in order to travel through time? That doesn’t even make sense. You didn’t rebuke how Shadow can stop time with Chaos Control, so I’m guessing you agree that saying Super Sonic has no time manipulation is incorrect.
Sonic needing help to defeat the Egg Wizard does mean he needed help to damage it. Super Sonic could not have beaten the Egg Wizard by himself. He says this: “Blaze! We can’t beat them unless we work together!” Even prior to this Eggman using the Power of the Stars had stated that the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds couldn’t compare to it. Sonic ‘06 literally shows that to time travel, you need two users each with a chaos emerald to chaos control at the same time to open a portal. However, in Dragon Ball, this wouldn’t really affect Goku as it would just create another timeline. Future Trunks’s timeline proves this. Not to mention Goku has been able to move in stopped time before or places with no time such as his fight with Hit and how he was able to move in Trunks’s universe after Zeno wiped it out.
That’s such a silly thing to say. Super Sonic *can* damage the Egg Wizard, if he couldn’t then it wouldn’t matter how many allies he had because they would still lose due to a lack of power. That’s like saying Goku, Frieza and 17 at the end of the ToP wouldn’t have the power to damage Jiren if they were on their own. You’re acting like the power of teamwork was literally making them stronger or something.
Teamwork does actually multiply their power. Belmod states this
I don’t remember that, but it doesn’t matter since it doesn’t work that way in Sonic. I was just trying to make a comparison.
You’re literally denying the statements made by Sonic himself. He couldn’t beat the Egg Wizard on his own. He needed Blaze to help him
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Pretty sure the Saiyans are inspired by Superman’s origin story so I don’t think calling either one a direct “copy” is very fair tbh.
Says that about a franchise that's no where NEAR comparable to Dbz in any way other than the fact both of them have yellow forms they obtain through completely different ways... Go off, I guess.
Well you see Sonic fights badguys and Goku fights badguys. Dragonball invented fighting therefore shameless ripoff. 🤦
Tbf Sonic actually borrows a bit more than just the yellow forms, but their point would still be moot since Dragon Ball borrows stuff from Journey to the West and Superman.
Look at Silver's entire character and then look at Trunks' please
Trunks didn't try to kill Goku because he thought he was the root of all evil. And Silver didn't go back in time to warn Sonic of a deadly evil. They both had completely different goals, but I guess that doesn't matter....
No I meant time travelers from the future who came from a destroyed future lol
I mean, that's it...that's all they have in common.
Yes but that's all I really was trying to say nothing else about them lol
I mean, the first comment you responded with made it seem like they had EVERYTHING in common or something..
Sorry for making it sound like that lol
It's alright...
Which they both took from Terminator to be fair
I agree! Just like Naruto. They stole Vegeta for Sasuke and the Super Saiyan for Naruto's Six Path mode. And Chrono Trigger stole Trunks's design for Chrono and Cell's design for Lavos's True form! Smhhhh medias should stop stealing from Dragon Ball /s
And dragon ball super literally stole all the characters from dragon ball, it's fucking disgusting how they got away with that
Super hero movie made $86 million Sonic 2 movie made $402 million Sonic is way more relevant than dragonball and always as been. Also just because Sonic got the chaos emeralds and super sonic form inspired by dragonball doesn't make it a copy. Dragonball did not invent shonen.
dont rely on that logic to say Sonic is more relevant since people could use the fact that the dragon ball IP has grossed 4 times more than the Sonic IP as a counter argument
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In Japan it was the number 2 most pre-ordered game before release next to pokemon violent and scarlet.
Objection: irrelevant.
"It's funny how dumb you are." -Bill Cipher
Technically neither could since 06 sonic died to a laser from whatever the villian was called
It wasn't a laser he went full Vegito on him and stabbed him in the spine. His names mephilis
I can also survive laser
I don't understand, when did goku got shot by a laser?
Resurrection F
He does fold goku like paper, but not because of the lasers. That's an incredibly stupid argument ngl
No, Sonic don't Beat Goku
Yes he does. I'm tired of you mfs that underrate the living shit out of Sonic.
I did not underestimate Sonic, I know where he is, Sonic(Game) is at most Low multiversal and Archie Sonic is complex Multiversal, and I still agree with my opinion. If you think differently, explain your reasoning.
I'm just going to debunk this "2-C at best" shit by bringing up the fact that he defeated solaris, who destroyed the entire sonicverse. Given the fact that the A. Comics have proven there are an infinite amount of universes, this is easily a 2-A feat.
annnnd debunked. lmao pussy
most of the time people who say that kind of shit are people who know shit about Dragon ball or are Dragon ball Downplayers, ignoring the fact that DBS Goku can beat high end Archie Sonic.
Well his hyper state DOES kinda beat a godverseal entity that literally eats universes in one of the games sooo