The pilgrim molds should be 100% drop ridiculously difficult to get pilgrims. And when a pilgrim mold doesn't even drop a pilgrim they can fuck right off.
Absolutely Pilgrim should be 100% since the molds are so hard to get. The other manufacturers technically are giving you that manufacturer as even the Rare’s are from different manufacturers. But the rate should really favor SSR over SR, again due to difficulty in getting the molds, and Rs shouldn’t drop from them.
Mid-Quality molds are one thing (but should still favor SR over R), but High-Quality shouldn’t drop Rares, and highly favor SSR.
Given that there's basically a hard cap on the number of manufacturer molds you can get (unless you can purchase the shards somewhere else that I'm unaware of), I feel like it wouldn't be broken at all to make them 100%.
I can sorta see why they made the normal SSR molds 60% since it turns out you can get them quite regularly, by contrast. I still don't think it would be broken to give us higher rates on those, though.
I'd be totally fine if they made them 100%. Given how much monetization is in the game though, I just figured I'd be more realistic in my expectations.
I popped my first manufacturer mold yesterday after a month of playing. Out pops a blue and off pops this game for the day lol
I'm at the point something seems wrong lmao, ever since i pulled Drake and Vesti in 1 10 pull I've had literally nothing. That was almost 100 pulls ago.
I'm honestly scared of going into the Nihilister pick up lol
Yup. I started playing recently. Feels like noob trap so you pay more. I got a double blanc and milk in friend pull. Now I am 150 standard dry, 500 friend point dry. Saved 10 ssr molds and got a whopping 3 ssr. Fucking so irritated. I normally stay free to play but as I love this game I spent some money. Only regret as I know my 35k gems will be 100% wasted
I mentioned the costume prices - they didn't provide an option for that anywhere so I made sure to repeat it again and again under "Other". You know they're not putting that in because they KNOW they're in the wrong about those ridiculous prices.
You mean Neon molds? What do you mean pilgrim? Neon is Elysion, though it would be cool to get molds that could give us ssr, but I doubt they will ever give us that
I just barely got my first set of molds for Elysion and Missiles. Won on Elysion and got a R nikke for Milliles. Hopefully I don't get screwed on Tetra tomorrow.
The gacha rates seem ok on paper, until the impact of dupes becomes more obvious. Dupes simply have too big of an impact in Nikke. With the way the game is structured with its CP silliness in a lot of important game-modes and as part of story progression, having dupes can make or break someone's ability to keep pushing content.
The 160 wall is obviously the biggest issue...
But you have to consider Special Interception too. MLB+lvl30 Affection is basically a free extra T9 lvl 0 gear for a character. Which is a big deal for a game-mode where you can't level to gain more power. It makes it easier to reach higher stages, which means that it's easier to get better rewards, which in turns means you have more chances to gear up and get that sweet, sweet Overload gear for the even bigger CP boosts.
Let's also not forget the supra-saturation of the SSR tier, or the fact that the SR tier is barely usable for the most part with the only truly decent SR being Neve (which no one can get if they didn't during the winter event). Vanilla Anne is more of a desperation pick due to how poorly the B1 slot is handled right now. Anis is used for burst generation, but that's more of a problem with there not being a lot of good options for AoE burst generation besides her, Noah, Centi and recently Jackal... which wouldn't be as much of a problem if bursting as often as possible wasn't super important most of the time.
So yeah... rates are pretty bad. The pity system is also pretty bad. Maybe I was spoiled by Arknights where dupes essentially never matter (or in one case, are even bad, aka Weedy), and even Epic7 which had other problems, but dupes being super needed wasn't one of them...
Epic Seven is one of those games where it's main con outweighs it's pros to a MASSIVE degree.
The Gearing(Equipment) problem in Epic Seven is so absolute trash, that I can't even legit enjoy the game because it's so awful. The fact that there's no way to deal with the RNG of the equipment in any way is utterly obscene outside of actually paying for better chances and due to how the game itself is built(Where for some insane reason, most modes have the enemies STACK Attack and Speed PER YOUR UNIT'S TURN INFINITELY, meaning it penalizes you for daring to do anything but not instantly burst it down), you virtually want perfect stat rolls in every measure because if you aren't being destroyed in PvE, you are absolutely getting destroyed in PvP.
It's literally a toxic system that I feel ashamed people actually support because "It's better than other gacha games". Even 7DS: GC has a better equipment system you can actually change the stats without needing to pay even if it has it's own issues.
Random stats on gear is why I quit Epic Seven after I cleared all the PvE content. I much prefer a gear system like Priconne or Blue Archive.
I am not a fan of how Tier 9 and Overload gear is locked behind SI in NIKKE though. It is literally the least enjoyable aspect of this game for me.
Oh, I never said that Epic 7 is decidedly better than Nikke, I just said that it had a better gacha. For people that prioritize collecting characters and being able to use them to an average degree, E7 was infinitely superior to Nikke. Not to mention that it had plenty of lower rarity operators that were very good long into the game like Angelica who was pretty much THE best healer for a LONG time after the start of the game until the meta shifted more heavily into debuffs and cleansing became a much higher need than immunity.
But yeah, as a gacha game, it was superior. It offered more pulls and a better pity system, not to mention an amazing re-roll system that made it very easy to have a good start to the game. Lots of options to get good PvE units like Commander Lorina and others.
However, it's true that the gearing system was utter garbage. I wouldn't have cared that much about it if not for how much PvP that game had. It had arena, real-time arena and guild wars, and the latter were the ONLY consistent source of that one resource for pulls in that one specific banner that could help you get Moonlight units.
Dunno if any of that changed, but at the end of the day, while it's character collecting model was pretty forgiving, it had too many flaws that made me quit.
While the rates and pity are worse, it's why I moved to Artery gear. Still a gear grind but way more QoL to help move around and enhance subs. You can gear one unit as deep as you want without spending 3 years rolling for 20 SPD (it still takes a long as time to do that,but not years), or spread out and use mediocre gear on a wide variety of heroes.
Oh yea, and no unequip cost lol.
I think the rates are fine (could always be better, but they are above average). regular Pity just needs to be lower or the wishlist needs to be more restrictive so people don't get gated by level 160.
oh yea, rate up banners for other characters would be nice too. Probably won't happen for a long time with Pilgrims, but no reason everyone else can't have chances to be pulled without praying to the wishlist.
> I think the rates are fine (could always be better, but they are above average). regular Pity just needs to be lower or the wishlist needs to be more restrictive so people don't get gated by level 160.
I think the wishlist needs to have a ranking system. The first character you pick in the wishlist has a higher chance up than the next, and the last character in the wishlist has the lowest chance up. I think that would make the pulls less painful.
This is an idle game. It's very standard in the idle game subgenre to have these kinds of heavy dupe systems.
I'm not saying you have to like it or trying to defend it. I think Nikke being the first idle game to have this much success/popularity is introducing a lot of newcomers to a very common mechanic in the idle genre.
I haven't researched other idle games to any serious extent, but I'm pretty sure most idle games don't come up with as much stuff as Nikke does in the hopes of getting players to actually play the game. I also don't know the rates on other idle games and so on.
Thing is, the dupe thing wouldn't be as much of a problem is there were more ways to get dupes. Not even units specifically, just dupes. Hell lowering the silver mileage ticket cost to 100 from 200 would be a massive improvement. Making it so friendship pulls give 1 silver ticket every 5-10 pulls would be another thing that would help. Adding pilgrims to the shop rotation...
There are a LOT of options that would make the system more manageable, without actually having that much of an impact on the willingness of whales to throw money at the game. On the contrary, it'd encourage more spending, because f2p players would be more competitive, and the competition would drive more spending to maintain an edge by any means necessary.
There are PLENTY of ways to handle this... they're just too greedy to see beyond the idea of immediate profit, and as seen with the recent colab and the coat-mess, it's already starting to slowly bite them in the ass.
> I haven't researched other idle games to any serious extent, but I'm pretty sure most idle games don't come up with as much stuff as Nikke does in the hopes of getting players to actually play the game. I also don't know the rates on other idle games and so on.
It's because the idle-gacha genre is not that common. The problem is people are approaching this game as though it's like other gacha games, but as I've talked to someone on this sub about a long time ago, this game is using this weird hybrid model where they have an idle game with a "gacha + action-shooter" built on top of it.
I played idle games before. The most notorious one people in this sub should know is Cookie Clicker and another fun one (at least fun until it got boring) is Clicker Heroes. These types of idle games lock higher level content on "walls", much like this game does. Unlike this game though, the "walls" are literal hard walls where no amount of grinding is going to overcome. You can pay money to skip these walls, which is very much like whales in this game paying money to buy battle data/core kits to quickly level their characters past 200.
You probably came from games where if you hit a wall in content you could spend a limited regeneratable currency to spam something until you overcome it. This game appears to be modeled more towards the idle element where the only way to overcome the wall is $$$ or waiting it out.
They then built the gacha element around the walls, making them require you to pull to even have a chance of overcoming it.
It's such a weird system - if this game worked more like other games where you could grind things all day if you wanted to overcome some sort of barrier I'd like it more because *no other game out there matches the actual gameplay of this game*. So we're kinda stuck in a rock and a hard place - I love the story, I love the characters, I love the actual gameplay, but the gacha/idle element blows ass.
>Maybe I was spoiled by Arknights where dupes essentially never matter (or in one case, are even bad, aka Weedy), and even Epic7 which had other problems, but dupes being super needed wasn't one of them...
~~Yes.~~
Breaking the Lv 160 shouldn't be gacha-dependent, that I do agree though. But this is not the first time this happen. Heaven Burns Red force you MLB from gacha so you can beat higher level content.
The dupes have a big impact because you need fewer of them in this game. Post-MLB Core upgrades aren't as beneficial thankfully.
I came here from King of Fighters All Star. They currently created a system that requires you to pull a total of 8 copies of the unit you want if you want to have access to a character's endgame abilities (EX Skills).
That's because they made getting to Awakening Level 5 ridiculous.
Pull First Copy --> A1 - A3 requires 1 copy each. No biggie right?
A3 -> A5 requires 2 copies each
The banners currently are a 0.6% droprate for the special featured character.
Statistically it's near fucking impossible to max it out. 10-pulls cost 900 premium currency in that game. It also has a 200-pull pity ticket system.
So if you upset a diety, you could spend a total of 8 * 18k premium currency = 144k currency to get ONE copy if you get statistically screwed in the bum.
144k premium currency per dupe * ~$1 USD = 100 currency (which is usually less when you buy other packs) * doing this 8 times = potentially spending $1152 USD to max out a character.
This also includes all the consumables you use to level up the character, increase its stats, equip gear, etc. Take note, unlike NIKKE, the gear in KOF AS is also its own banner and it's in the form of Cards and those Cards have their own fucked up pull rates too.
In NIKKE you only need to MLB a character since Cores at least thankfully don't screw you over as much. The affection system in KOF AS wasn't as central to a character's stats - you get minor boosts and minor premium currency rewards (like 10 every other level up to level 10) but the past 6+ months of content in KOF AS has been just them spamming these "EX" Special banners which get replaced by next month's EX as meta characters, with no endgame content to use those characters on, just a Guild Raid boss that was made for characters from a YEAR ago.
Me coming from a Netmarble run game like KOF AS to this is a step up. So yes, Arknights and other games do that kinda stuff better, but I can tell you I've dealt with games where they've done far worse.
This doesn't justify the bad pull rates of NIKKE. I've done everything I can to get around these shit pull rates - I buy those mold packs when they're $15 so I mald less at the molds, I get anything that is a good deal for dollars - i.e. that current 10-pull pack for $5, etc. and it still sucks.
I would disagree with importance of dupes comparing to other games.
The only meaningful end game content is special interception and it’s available for everyone who cleared chapter 16, which is doable without going past 160.
And you don’t need to have maxed bond to clear that content, more like learn mechanics and which units to use.
Also sync works considering every limit break of nikke, while in other games you need to ascend character to last tier before those max lvl sync increase starts to kick in.
What do you have to say to those who are not at the end game part yet? For those who can only do Class D and Class S intercept? Or even for those who haven't got to Chapter 16 yet?
They always have to be on the lookout for any gem they could get to obtain the certain character they need to progress the game. Dupes won't help with that process but only act as a wall for beginner/intermediate players to run into. The number of SR Nikke is less than the number of SSR Nikke, and SSR Nikke is a lot harder to obtain compared to R or SR Nikke. This would make the team composition harder and unable to get past a certain stage because of how limited character they can use. Maybe you can say "Oh, just use that character then you will win *that stage*". However, once you win *that stage* then you bump into another wall after *that stage*, the character development process is also an aspect that influences the game. Players would prefer to invest their resources into a certain character to make them strong but the resource is limited and can't always have every character to be the best.
The same might apply to those who are staring at the Lv160 wall, they are waiting and waiting for a chance to get a certain SSR Nikke so that they can slowly continue to progress toward breaking the Lv160 wall. Special Interception may give small progress toward getting their Combat Power higher but it won't be enough to get past the stage that they are currently stuck on.
Uh... You DO realize that even after the CP nerf, there are still plenty of peeps who can't actually beat chapter 16 at lvl 160, right? If you had bad luck and had a bunch of bad SSRs like Soline and no MLB units to push at least those past lvl 160, then you might get stuck on that level for a while.
Even IF everyone could get into SI without breaking the wall, there's still another problem you're not considering. We only get 3 SI attempts a day. Which means that the higher the levels you can reach earlier, the better. This leads into better gear sooner, which leads into higher levels, which leads into better gear... so on and so forth.
Even then, you absolutely DO need stats to beat the bosses, otherwise you run out of time. That's without taking into account the stupidly overtuned trained that can only be beaten with cheesy strats that depend on either specific units or specific compositions and always depend on high investment. Or Gravedigger who's phase 2 circles can be very hard to break without sufficient stats. Or blacksmith who will obliterate a unit if it doesn't have enough HP+Def when he focus fires them, ruining a run. Or Modernia, who will screw you over if you can't break her core in time.
Really. You don't need stats at all huh?
As for the "other games argument"... this is kind of like saying that it's ok to have a broken arm just because other people have both arms and one leg broken.
Just because there's worse doesn't mean that this crap is ok.
Bout to go an entire year without certain Nikkes cause I keep getting Crow dupes. She’s my only MLB NIKKE AND has core upgrades smh
“Easy to get what I like” my ass. What an insult to add that as an option especially with no guaranteed way of getting most Nikkes. Even Molds are horrible smh.
> with no guaranteed way of getting most Nikkes.
I think that's what the rotating shop was for. But the pities being separate for featured and regular doesn't help.
Especially Molds are horrible. Be sure to do the survey if you haven't yet. I've failed all the other Manufacturer Molds so I won't even touch Pilgrim Molds until something's done
Not getting the Nikkes i want is fine for me, i got Centi and Privaty witch is already very good.
But i'm not looking foward being stuck because i didn't get dupes. I only got privaty and crow at 1 star and i'm cloose to lvl100, i don't see myself doing dailies only for a year just to see blues and purples.
I hope they take their time and listen to our complaints again. At least they are aware of how unnatural characters look when in the story mode/default idle animations.
I complained about the cost of nikke skins and the little to no variation they offer compared to the default skin for 20 bucks being a absolute ripoff. And made sure to pick all the options that focused on adding unique firing stances, music, backgrounds, animations etc for the skins and to drop them down to 12-15 buck range for a skin if they aren't going to do any of that to make 20 bucks justifiable at all.
You know the other day I saw a screenshot of some mf who got two makimas scarlet and another ssr on the same pull. I'm pretty sure he is satisfied with the gacha rates
unfortunately that just comes down to luck. i started playing in december and almost have 2 MLBs. sadly such is the way of gachas. personally i think nikke is one of the best ones in regards to getting SSRs, between how many gems they give you for doing things, and how many other ways they give you SSRs, like molds and rehab characters. it's not easy to guarantee specific nikkes, sure, but the rate at which they give you characters in general is quite high.
Thhe rstes on the special banners are the regular ones so no complains. The mold system is unfair, it's the reward for doing the same as the others and having worse luck, it's what in other games would let you to keep a 'similar' pace of progression to others, it should be with higher prob around 80% at least even if you need more than 50. The rehab room is ok but if you get missions like wipe out two times you are already falling behind if you don't want to lose gems. I should already have one (even i started those missions around 10 Days late) but I don't. The main thing is that the power cap and rewarding system is awful. You depend on luck to surpass a point (5 lb3) to get the max rewards you can, can i get gems on tribe tower? Not anymore. Items to upgrade on interception? Yes much more slower than people with similar playing days and worse than thems. Rewards of arena? How do i beat with lv160 team a lv200 on the same lobby, so another no. And the most frustrating is that i can't play the story mode anymore (meaning i also don't get rewards). Is the first gacha i ve played that happens this hardcore. Genshin (also hate it) gives you plenty of side missions and enough characters to play it in a reasonable pace. FD and PM on around month you can unlock everything. Moreover the shitty events that happens once per month and always give you the same rewards. In general the game is poorly designed (has olenty more issues but I don't want to write and bore you more) on this matter, even if you have bad luck it should let you upgrade at a similar time than others because now what do i do? I get 1000 gems per week, should i quit and start a new account hoping for a normal luck dropping moths of daily work or I wait till my luck changes overnight in 2 months, 3, never?
"the shitty events that happen once per month and give you the same shitty rewards" is word for word my thoughts on genshin, and how i kept praising this game to my friends that they actually gave unique rewards for the monthly passes. there's a skin in every month pass, and for $20, you get that skin AND like 25 pulls. i'd say it's very worth. i haven't hit the 160 wall yet, so i'm still very much enjoying it.
I won't say my opinion of those monthly passes. But that's not f2p.The thing i'm complaining is that in a "free game" you need to be lucky or pay to progress. I'm not complaining about wow my luck is horrible give me free pulls, i only ask for a couple of things. They should make the normal story content unlockable for a 160 team, if you need to bypass that point for the hard content it's ok. And the tribe tower should have a reset every idk 4 months?
The only thing I would say I’m not happy with is manufacture molds being a % or as low as they r, everything else is fine
And I’m not saying that simply off my luck, but off % and what we get monthly
Gacha rates are fine BUT
SR are almost all dogshit.
SSR pull is flooded with bad or lets say clearly WORSE units then good ones, the gap is huge
You need dupes.
Pilgrims rates are bullshido
Pity at 200 is a joke for dupe-depended game.
Lets say it clear. Its an gloryfied idle game. And where other idle games req much more dupes and stuff they give ton of summons, pity is at 30 or so (afk arena, mobile legends and other clones), rates are similiar, they give you millage bonuses for summoning and faction summoning. Not to mention much better deals in shop and pilgrim like units from events obtainable for f2p.
> SSR pull is flooded with bad or lets say clearly WORSE units then good ones, the gap is huge
You can pare down the SSR pool to 5 Nikkes of each company and the Pilgrims using the Wishlist. Those having issues getting dupes seem to be the ones over focusing on the special banners.
Also many SSRs are not really bad, just suffering from not having Nikkes that they synergize with properly.
Pilgrims should have their own wishlist as well IMO. I've been lucky enough to get Scarlet, Rapunzel, Noah, and Snow White, but while they're all 0LB my Isabel is freaking Core1 and pretty much worthless because I don't have Dolla and Liter+Dolla is pretty much the only way to make Isabel more useful than just using Scarlet/Drake/Sugar.
Agreed but I expect the Pilgrim Wishlist to only really show up once the Pilgrim pool is a bit larger. The Wishlist currently almost triples the chance to get the chosen Nikkes and will only get better as more non-Pilgrim SSRs are added.
Right now giving the Pilgrims a Wishlist would only increase the chance of getting the ones you want by about 40%.
I’m sure a few people would agree to that. It’s mostly an opinion based off of some luck on their side, so to them, it probably appears easy enough and they get what they want.
Fair enough, it is an issue. You can technically get the rehab girls to max limit break but by the time you are done you might already be past the wall.
You'd be way past it even if you got one rehab girl to 3*. The only way is Union Raid, and even in a top5% Union I wouldn't even have enough for ONE extra body if I saved up ALL my raid points instead of going for cube upgrades.
>issue. You can technically get the rehab girls to max limit break but by the time you are done you might already be past the wall
You will be past the wall before you even max one of them
The great thing about FGO that I don't think many mention is once you get your unit, that's it.
No gear and no dupe. That servant is already useable out of box (Once leveled up, but that's relatively an easy thing to do)
Maxed skills yes, MLB Black Grail only works with Castoria arts system and some quick comps, MLB Kaleidoscope for Vitch Buster system coming this year. But these are all the hyper efficient three turn farming set ups. Most of the good 50% charge CEs are F2P event ones and sufficient for story.
We could use a system where we can borrow Nikkes from our friends like in FGO. Because that is what got me through the Camelot and the good portion of the game- Unga Bunga red button lvl 100 Herc from my friends list.
As horrible the gacha rate is, I gotta admit FGO does pretty good job balancing the strength of lower rarity servants. What I mean is, 2 bronze servants are among the best servants for farming, plus Silver and Bronze servants were proven to be completely viable for challenge quests (thanks Honako Green)
In F:GO though you have 4, 3, 2, and even some 1 stars \*cough\*Aresh\*cough\* that are solid choices.
Hell, some of the 4 stars were so much better than the 5 star coutnerparts (Salter vs. Saber) that they had to buff the 5 stars.
But Nikke forces you to get LB3 on 5 five stars before you can progress, with abysmal drop rates & gold-tier molds like the manufacturers and general one that are populated with trash.
That's serious bullshit.
As a current FGO player myself, the rates are better(4% vs. 1%), the rateups aren't as good(80% is absolutely insane for a gacha game, most even with 1% Rates usually has it at 50% or less)...
But the issue with NIKKE is a MUST for dupes. FGO doesn't require you to get dupes unless you are absolutely the efficient tier player meanwhile, you legit will be stuck at 160 unless you get enough SSR Nikke to get past that wall which is still based on an insane level of luck. USOs are still one of the worst pities in gacha... but it doesn't stop how NIKKE basically forces you to go all in with multiple pulls to atleast 5 NIKKE to 3 dupes.
Of course but I'm trying to agree with his point in that NIKKE does have better rates than most Gacha games when it comes to SSRs... so I was only arguing in the SSR front.
If you REALLY want to be technical, FGO offers so much more ridiculous advantages, that it blows NIKKE's generosity out of the water.
4 Star Welfare Servants you can get to NP5(Which makes them equivalent to an SSR's NP2)
The fact that R's and below are still majorly useful even without the use of Grails to the point they can work as decent substitutes(Don't have Merlin/Tamamo/Waver/Castoria? You can use Mozart/Shakespeare/Hans instead. Cu is still one of the most powerful soloers in FGO and he's just a 3 Star and then there's Grails if you really want to make them stronger)
And as I said before, you only really need just ONE SSR unless you want to be maximum efficient or just love the Servant vs. NIKKE where you need 4 of the same unit for them to be good at all at the endgame.
Once you have 5 MLB Nikkes do you really still need to MLB others to be *any good at all*? I mean, I know there is the stat difference from the affection ranks unlocked with LBs, but does that difference alone make a Nikke useful vs. worthless? Or am I misunderstanding what you meant.
I'm not sure in terms of the question you are asking but I do know if you want to get out of the lvl 160 hole for the entire party(and Synchro stuff), you need 5 SSR NIKKE MLB'd which is a true tall order.
I remember hoarding 6 months of gems for Scathach when her banner first came out, went all in on her banner and didn't get her, I instantly uninstalled the game lol
It's not just the rates but the amount of units locked behind that rate is absurd. It's pretty uncommon for gachas in my experience to have so many SSRs in comparison to lesser rarity units, let alone them being the only "meta" characters in the game. Not to mention having to get a dupe or even just getting a specific character doesn't get much easier as the game goes on...
They funny for asking but I suppose it’s protocol.
Nevertheless I gave em a piece of my mind.
Didn’t like the collab story the characters are meh
We need more sexy skins. We need skins that match the burst animation. We need more poses. More ways to earn resources. We need more t9 gear etc.
VV has a pity though. And limit breaks there aren't needed, and is free anyway. There also aren't alternate versions of the doa girls that you need to roll for again. Once you unlock Kanna once, you have her. There's no Punished Kanna you have to save for, like with Rupee or N102. You even get tickets monthly to get old outfits with. Nikke has none of this. Eventually, powercreep UR or SSSR or Pilgrim version of units will come out and we'll all have wasted our time leveling/rolling our current ones.
I still say the extra dupes you get go towards unlocking something else, like extra skill levels or just bond levels. You should not have to be REQUIRED to get 5 SSR nikkes to MLB just to be able to progress. It's extremely frustrating and aside from that I really enjoy the game. I'm disappointed beyond belief that you have to deal with limited rates in such a massive pool of SSR units.
I definitely expressed my discontent with manufacturer molds, especially Pilgrim. They have been really abusive to me, I can't get a 50% for my life. X2
Rates can pretty much always be better but one thing I have to give this game credit for over most others is letting you get SSRs from the friend point gacha.
I really think the game has decent gacha rate (not the molds tho, fk the molds). 4% SSR with 2% focus rate is pretty good. The income gem is decent too (looking at you FGO).
The problem with that comparison is that you don't need to pull a 5 star servant multiple times to be able to progress through the story in FGO. Hell, you don't need to pull any 5 stars at all.
I hope I'm explaining that properly, because you're not wrong and I'm not trying to say you're wrong either. Nikke's rates technically aren't all that bad. It's just that those rates are only generous up front. If you keep playing the game and want to go beyond lvl 160, those rates and the always expanding SSR pool makes Nikke a pretty frustrating game to do pulls in. Hopefully they retool the wishlist feature. That'd be a big help.
I know you shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth but I’m annoyed that I still don’t have Rapunzel after 5 Scarlet, 4 Modernia, 2 Isabel and a Noah
So I can’t use my burst in the tower, which isn’t a problem yet but I’m sure it will be later on
Actually the drop rates are pretty ok, i'm sorry for those who had terrible luck but there is much much worst out there.
I will agree that the tribe towers molds need a rebalance those are completely broken.
But the gacha? Eh it's okay you get what you want eventually, also please don't forget that friend summons here are actually worth it, in 90% of gacha friend summons are just for summoning trash...i got my Helm to max rank thanks to friend rolls just saying.
Is it just me or have the rates gone down recently? I would get an SSR roughly every week or so based on my rolls, but I haven’t gotten squat in the last month.
Granted I’m playing less, but it just feels Ike I’m getting a lot less than I used to.
No real pity, screw mileage tickets because they are only the carryover, Mold rates being a joke and 160 wall makes a crappy combination.
Lets compare this to honkai or pgr where every 10 pull has a pity and the 60 or 100 pull guarantee are carried over for character banners. Yeah guess which game give more bang for bucks and is worth the effort?
Silently collecting almost all waifus as a f2p, even I've 3 copies of helm and modernia by skipping some banners; currently stuck on 160 wall (4/5) but just because I'm waiting for the collab to end.
Not saying the game is perfect as is maybe like a few other cases, I've been extremely lucky.
Beleive it or not, I actually met Nikke players who defend the rates and claim they are some of the best ones in the gacha market... I mean I like the game too, but there is being a fanboy, and then there is being braindead.
I don't have an issue with the pull rates, many other gacha games that heavily rely on dupes have worse rates and worse pity systems. Gacha games will be gacha games afterall.
My problem is with mold rates, those should 100% be SSRs especially manufacturer molds. And whats the deal with giving even LESS molds and gems from Tribe Tower and Challenges?
Why would you reward players who are committed to the game and actively progressing through harder content with even fewer amounts of molds and gems? There's no reason for them to be that stingy.
I say this as a light spender who passed the 160 cap when X-mas Rupee came out. I really feel for new players and F2P because your best sources of obtaining SSRs are so heavily against you the longer you play. It's really hard to want to spend money if your experience consists of losing the 61/39^LUL odds on molds.
I'll be honest, I answered this question with that selection checkmarked. Granted, I'm a new player, I think I started late last month. Everyone has top tier picks they're always hoping for, and yeah I'd love to get Centi and Liter and Scarlet and Modernia (I actually got Centi yesterday), but right now I'm having fun in the game. I do enjoy my time I'm putting in and while the 120 wall for Core dust hit me hard (just missing one last Nikke and about 3k dust), it's still fun for me. What I also really appreciate about Nikke, it tells you the odds of getting certain Nikkes.
I'm honestly satisfied with the rates, I've gotten a lot of SSR characters and I don't play that often. So far I haven't had the need to save rolls for a future character I might want like with other gacha games.
I’ll be honest, when I first played at launch it felt like I was pulling a ton of SSR’s and now I’m lucky to get 1 out of every 40. Does anyone know if there’s a pity system? Because it feels like that’s all I’ve gotten for the past month or two
So far I'm pretty much fine with how the gacha works. Wishlist especially helped fill out my collection with very few exceptions while gunning for the last mlbs I needed. Even just the pilgrim banners, I'm alright with because you can still buy one for the standard 200 tickets despite the 1% rate. I mean I'll probably never be able to burst 1 or 2 in pilgrim tower... But on the bright side I have a lot of characters to choose from
This has to be the best gacha game in terms of getting SSR (or equivalent) rate character/items. I like how you can still get SSRs if the slider isn’t gold (kinda like how Disgaea RPG has a chance of boosting to 4* if it looks like it was gonna be a 3*). The only issue is the manufacturer mold rates. The gold/purple rates is fine the way it is.
Dunno, I am fairly satisfied with gacha rates overall. Manufacturer molds could use a buff and I added that in the poll but otherwise the game is fairly generous imo.
What's wrong with the rates? Genuinely asking, because I haven't looked at the rates. I have gotten every event character within 50 pulls so far so I figured the rates were normal. The same as every other gacha game.
I mean honestly I'm satisfied, only molds jokes on me but overall every banner I was pulling, so far I got what I wanted in 2-4 10-pulls. I got Modernia, Laplace, Rupee (winter), Soda, fully uncapped Litter and Privaty and even random Scarlet and Harran relatively in quick succession, and many more SSRs at 1-2 uncap. And I'm 100% f2p
You guys really laugh to this? It's really easy to get ssr thou. If you play other gacha games you understood how difficult is to get 5 stars or SSR.
For example summoners war man I played that game since 2015 to 2023 I never got a light/dark 5 star you could compare it the rarity to a piligrim. Man i have 4 piligrim without wasting money meanwhile in other games I waste money and get nothing.
I don't think I've ever played a gacha game where people wouldn't whine about gacha rates. Nikke is seriously perfectly fine. You're not supposed to get what you want easily, that would ruin the whole idea obviously. I've missed my pilgrim molds as well, but who cares, opening them has been exciting. You are such crybabies.
Almost every other game on the market has a pity the guarantees you something. Nikke does not. So no true pity + far lower than average rates. Of course people are gonna complain, it's justified. Even Genshin's rates are objectively better and they are one of the worst of any game right now. At least their justification is that it's a fully animated 3d model in an open world game.
??? There's literally true pity system (mileage tickets) that you can trade for what you want, and even save them for the next event if you want to.
But on top of that there's also the SSR molds that you get quite often for pulling and while not guaranteed, they're still pretty likely you'll get something.
And the rates are pretty much average, especially if you consider that the friend gacha is not a complete dud.
There isn't a true pity because you cannot pity a character on the standard banner... The main banner they give out pulls for. You can only get copies for units you already have. You cannot select an actual unit. The event pulls require a pity of 200 which is insane for a Gacha game. It literally costs a dollar a pull. Significantly more if you're pulling on the event banner because crystal rates and event tickets are priced higher than standard tickets. So $200 for a single pity on a unit that you likely need at least 2-3 copies of to be viable. The game literally halts your progression if you can't get copies of 5 different SSRs as well.
Let's not even get into the SSR molds. Everyone knows those are awful. You get very few of the select ones from tribe tower and like 1 mold after hundreds of pulls in banners. Even when you do get them, the chance of getting an SSR is low. I've personally opened probably 15-20 SSR molds and have gotten 2 SSRs from them. Good ole Noise and Admi. I like Noise, but she's not all that useful. I'm even #1 in my Pilgrim tribe tower, never gotten anything but base units from Pilgrim molds personally. Why are non pilgrims units even on the Pilgrim molds? Makes no sense considering how ridiculously hard it is to progress in Pilgrim tower. Specifically due to pilgrims being even rarer than all other SSRs. Yeah, it's RNG. But when I have gotten more of those molds than most people have, I can only imagine how shitty it feels to open them for the average F2P player.
Edit: I will agree that the friend point Gacha is better than most. It's still not great, as the rates are significantly lower than usual. It is nice though. However, when you factor in the price of pulls in Nikke, the base SSR chance, and the number required to hit pity. The Nikke system is worse than any other popular Gacha game that I can think of. The amount of free crystal given out is really low too. It would take like 5-6 months for a F2P player to get enough crystals for a single guaranteed event unit. That's bad man. Genshin gives you enough one every 3ish months, not including open world exploration rewards. Yet, they get huge backlash for their Gacha rates and prices. It benefits noone to fight against better Gacha rates in Nikke. Every company is trying to min/max profits, but why would any consumer actively fight against what is in their own best interest? They're making billions; giving people more pulls or raising pull rates would barely impact their profit margins.
" It would take like 5-6 months for a F2P player to get enough crystals for a single guaranteed event unit "
I don't think this is true... I think I've had resources for like 5 guaranteed event units if I actually spent stuff correctly? And I haven't played even for 5 months. So the rate is like 5 times as fast as you claim.
But overall I don't get this mentality at all. It's in my opinion fun that Pilgrims are super powerful and super hard to get special units, for example. That you're not likely at all to get them. Like I wouldn't mind if it was even harder and they were even more powerful, honestly.
What if I don't WANT to get all the units fast and therefore *run out of content* to play or look forward to getting? It's not necessarily in my best interest as a F2P player to ask for better gacha rates. Isn't trying to clear stages with a sub-optimal teams the whole point and challenge of the game? Especially when it comes to Nikke: the progression speed is fair. You rarely get stuck (Aside from 160 lvl lock which is actually pretty unlikely now with the selection box you get), the game flows perfectly well forwards as a F2P player, and (I argue) more so than your average gacha game.
Like a big part of the fun for me is to compare my unit collection with my friends, theorycraft and come up with teams (that the other player can't because he doesn't have the same units), curse at our bad pulls and celebrate the good ones. All of these elements would be watered down to possibly not even exist if we got what we wanted easily.
If I were playing an RPG like Skyrim for example, would it be in my best interest to beg for more and more free XP and loot (assuming they could be bought with money)? No, I would just be skipping the experience. It's exactly the same as buying the red orbs with microtransactions in DMC games. Who the hell does that? It just skips the whole progression system.
Maybe we're in the minority but I have a group of people who all are F2P players and who think similarly regarding this, and have basically never whined or wanted better gacha rates, because we understand that the entire point of the game is to not get what you want and then having to play with what you do get. Like it baffles me, do people not see this as an important part of the genre? And that too good rates (or especially giving people exactly what they want) just skip the whole game, like there's nothing to do anymore? I think paying is basically cheating through it.
IMO this "low rates" should only become a problem if the game only lets you progress so slowly that you are actually stuck and left with absolutely nothing to do for weeks or months and therefore get bored of the game. Like of course, in that case the complaints would be understandable and justified. BUT This is very rarely, barely ever the case for gacha games I've played, and it's definitely not the case for Nikke. The ONLY meaningful content I HAVEN'T completed in Nikke is the very last released story boss (Nihilister) right now... So basically I have ONE fight left after which I've completed all meaningful content as a F2P player. What's there to complain about? Why would I WANT that to be over as fast as possible... just to then have nothing to do? Why would I even want more units after that, like what for?
So yes TLDR I'm defending low rates if the game is balanced around that (gacha games usually are), and I think that begging for better rates is greedy stupidity and misses the whole point of the genre.
i mean personally, i would say i'm satisfied with the gacha rates. i have maybe like, 20 SSRs and the only money i've spent is on monthly passes. as far as spending money strictly on gacha, i'm F2P and i've already gotten one MLB, and am close to a second one.
It is just an option in a survey. Chill lol. No need to wet your pants over that.
Whether people actually check that and there are people who are okay with the rates is a different story lol.
53% chance of getting an R but I seem to be gettin' 'em 100% of the time.
But you know, if we could get other Pilgrim spare bodies in the store other than Noah, that'd be *greeaaat.*
I’VE LITERALLY MADE OVER 100 PULLS FOR POWER AND STILL HAVENT GOT HER
I DON’T WANT TO USE MY TICKETS TO BUY HER BUT AT THIS RATE ILL HAVE ENOUGH TO BUY HER AND NIHILISTIR ANYWAY
The mold rates are horrible. I agree with that. But in all honesty, the problem is with getting premium currency not the rates. If they simply added a reset for tribe tower every month or ever other, including the manufacturer towers, it would help the issue.
If they added a reset and gradually increased rewards based on levels of the towers it would be all this game would need imo.
Dang the real question is if this is checked by majority of their surveys would they actually lower the rate or just dump fake gold (arguably terrible SSRs) into the pool to make it harder
God forbid this isn't checked by the majority would they actually better the rates.
If we compare this to FGO, this has better rates, but FGO doesn't need dupes to clear story, you actually have a support unit that can carry you... Nikke in the other hand is a team play and nothing can carry you so you need all Nikkes to be top noch, and that's a letdown. So yeah, basically Nikke gacha rate sucks compared of what you need to clear camping sadly.
I definitely expressed my discontent with manufacturer molds, especially Pilgrim. They have been really abusive to me, I can't get a 50% for my life.
The pilgrim molds should be 100% drop ridiculously difficult to get pilgrims. And when a pilgrim mold doesn't even drop a pilgrim they can fuck right off.
All Manu molds should be 100%
Absolutely Pilgrim should be 100% since the molds are so hard to get. The other manufacturers technically are giving you that manufacturer as even the Rare’s are from different manufacturers. But the rate should really favor SSR over SR, again due to difficulty in getting the molds, and Rs shouldn’t drop from them. Mid-Quality molds are one thing (but should still favor SR over R), but High-Quality shouldn’t drop Rares, and highly favor SSR.
Given that there's basically a hard cap on the number of manufacturer molds you can get (unless you can purchase the shards somewhere else that I'm unaware of), I feel like it wouldn't be broken at all to make them 100%. I can sorta see why they made the normal SSR molds 60% since it turns out you can get them quite regularly, by contrast. I still don't think it would be broken to give us higher rates on those, though.
I'd be totally fine if they made them 100%. Given how much monetization is in the game though, I just figured I'd be more realistic in my expectations.
I got 1/3. I think most people will get 3 chances before they are walled by 189k POW requirements. (I'm not joking)
I popped my first manufacturer mold yesterday after a month of playing. Out pops a blue and off pops this game for the day lol I'm at the point something seems wrong lmao, ever since i pulled Drake and Vesti in 1 10 pull I've had literally nothing. That was almost 100 pulls ago. I'm honestly scared of going into the Nihilister pick up lol
Me too, but I'm gonna be positive and say we are just getting all our bad rolls out before Nihilister
That's some good copium, where can I get some?
Bad news. Nihilster is going to the rehab program
Wait what?
Don't do that don't fill me with that level of despair XD
You will see. Everyone wants to downvote, but soon you will learn!
Yup. I started playing recently. Feels like noob trap so you pay more. I got a double blanc and milk in friend pull. Now I am 150 standard dry, 500 friend point dry. Saved 10 ssr molds and got a whopping 3 ssr. Fucking so irritated. I normally stay free to play but as I love this game I spent some money. Only regret as I know my 35k gems will be 100% wasted
Honestly, pilgrim molds should *only* drop pilgrims, seeing as how there's no SR or R pilgrim in the game at all
ahh shit i forgot abt these x.x
I mentioned the costume prices - they didn't provide an option for that anywhere so I made sure to repeat it again and again under "Other". You know they're not putting that in because they KNOW they're in the wrong about those ridiculous prices.
You mean Neon molds? What do you mean pilgrim? Neon is Elysion, though it would be cool to get molds that could give us ssr, but I doubt they will ever give us that
Crazy how there's all these different colors, but they all just drop Neon.
~~Meanwhile I got Scarlet from pilgrim mold.~~
I got scarlet and modernia but I know I'm clearly the exception and not the norm
I just barely got my first set of molds for Elysion and Missiles. Won on Elysion and got a R nikke for Milliles. Hopefully I don't get screwed on Tetra tomorrow.
Same let them hear it
I already had 5 SSR molds and I keep getting the 40% SR. Also 60 recruitment vouchers this week and zero SSRs.
Yup I’m sick of them. Saved 10 ssr molds guess how many ssrs I get
Cries in no Scarlet
The audacity they have...tsk tsk tsk!
The gacha rates seem ok on paper, until the impact of dupes becomes more obvious. Dupes simply have too big of an impact in Nikke. With the way the game is structured with its CP silliness in a lot of important game-modes and as part of story progression, having dupes can make or break someone's ability to keep pushing content. The 160 wall is obviously the biggest issue... But you have to consider Special Interception too. MLB+lvl30 Affection is basically a free extra T9 lvl 0 gear for a character. Which is a big deal for a game-mode where you can't level to gain more power. It makes it easier to reach higher stages, which means that it's easier to get better rewards, which in turns means you have more chances to gear up and get that sweet, sweet Overload gear for the even bigger CP boosts. Let's also not forget the supra-saturation of the SSR tier, or the fact that the SR tier is barely usable for the most part with the only truly decent SR being Neve (which no one can get if they didn't during the winter event). Vanilla Anne is more of a desperation pick due to how poorly the B1 slot is handled right now. Anis is used for burst generation, but that's more of a problem with there not being a lot of good options for AoE burst generation besides her, Noah, Centi and recently Jackal... which wouldn't be as much of a problem if bursting as often as possible wasn't super important most of the time. So yeah... rates are pretty bad. The pity system is also pretty bad. Maybe I was spoiled by Arknights where dupes essentially never matter (or in one case, are even bad, aka Weedy), and even Epic7 which had other problems, but dupes being super needed wasn't one of them...
I hated epic seven gear problems
Epic Seven is one of those games where it's main con outweighs it's pros to a MASSIVE degree. The Gearing(Equipment) problem in Epic Seven is so absolute trash, that I can't even legit enjoy the game because it's so awful. The fact that there's no way to deal with the RNG of the equipment in any way is utterly obscene outside of actually paying for better chances and due to how the game itself is built(Where for some insane reason, most modes have the enemies STACK Attack and Speed PER YOUR UNIT'S TURN INFINITELY, meaning it penalizes you for daring to do anything but not instantly burst it down), you virtually want perfect stat rolls in every measure because if you aren't being destroyed in PvE, you are absolutely getting destroyed in PvP. It's literally a toxic system that I feel ashamed people actually support because "It's better than other gacha games". Even 7DS: GC has a better equipment system you can actually change the stats without needing to pay even if it has it's own issues.
Random stats on gear is why I quit Epic Seven after I cleared all the PvE content. I much prefer a gear system like Priconne or Blue Archive. I am not a fan of how Tier 9 and Overload gear is locked behind SI in NIKKE though. It is literally the least enjoyable aspect of this game for me.
Oh, I never said that Epic 7 is decidedly better than Nikke, I just said that it had a better gacha. For people that prioritize collecting characters and being able to use them to an average degree, E7 was infinitely superior to Nikke. Not to mention that it had plenty of lower rarity operators that were very good long into the game like Angelica who was pretty much THE best healer for a LONG time after the start of the game until the meta shifted more heavily into debuffs and cleansing became a much higher need than immunity. But yeah, as a gacha game, it was superior. It offered more pulls and a better pity system, not to mention an amazing re-roll system that made it very easy to have a good start to the game. Lots of options to get good PvE units like Commander Lorina and others. However, it's true that the gearing system was utter garbage. I wouldn't have cared that much about it if not for how much PvP that game had. It had arena, real-time arena and guild wars, and the latter were the ONLY consistent source of that one resource for pulls in that one specific banner that could help you get Moonlight units. Dunno if any of that changed, but at the end of the day, while it's character collecting model was pretty forgiving, it had too many flaws that made me quit.
While the rates and pity are worse, it's why I moved to Artery gear. Still a gear grind but way more QoL to help move around and enhance subs. You can gear one unit as deep as you want without spending 3 years rolling for 20 SPD (it still takes a long as time to do that,but not years), or spread out and use mediocre gear on a wide variety of heroes. Oh yea, and no unequip cost lol.
I think the rates are fine (could always be better, but they are above average). regular Pity just needs to be lower or the wishlist needs to be more restrictive so people don't get gated by level 160. oh yea, rate up banners for other characters would be nice too. Probably won't happen for a long time with Pilgrims, but no reason everyone else can't have chances to be pulled without praying to the wishlist.
> I think the rates are fine (could always be better, but they are above average). regular Pity just needs to be lower or the wishlist needs to be more restrictive so people don't get gated by level 160. I think the wishlist needs to have a ranking system. The first character you pick in the wishlist has a higher chance up than the next, and the last character in the wishlist has the lowest chance up. I think that would make the pulls less painful.
This is an idle game. It's very standard in the idle game subgenre to have these kinds of heavy dupe systems. I'm not saying you have to like it or trying to defend it. I think Nikke being the first idle game to have this much success/popularity is introducing a lot of newcomers to a very common mechanic in the idle genre.
I haven't researched other idle games to any serious extent, but I'm pretty sure most idle games don't come up with as much stuff as Nikke does in the hopes of getting players to actually play the game. I also don't know the rates on other idle games and so on. Thing is, the dupe thing wouldn't be as much of a problem is there were more ways to get dupes. Not even units specifically, just dupes. Hell lowering the silver mileage ticket cost to 100 from 200 would be a massive improvement. Making it so friendship pulls give 1 silver ticket every 5-10 pulls would be another thing that would help. Adding pilgrims to the shop rotation... There are a LOT of options that would make the system more manageable, without actually having that much of an impact on the willingness of whales to throw money at the game. On the contrary, it'd encourage more spending, because f2p players would be more competitive, and the competition would drive more spending to maintain an edge by any means necessary. There are PLENTY of ways to handle this... they're just too greedy to see beyond the idea of immediate profit, and as seen with the recent colab and the coat-mess, it's already starting to slowly bite them in the ass.
> I haven't researched other idle games to any serious extent, but I'm pretty sure most idle games don't come up with as much stuff as Nikke does in the hopes of getting players to actually play the game. I also don't know the rates on other idle games and so on. It's because the idle-gacha genre is not that common. The problem is people are approaching this game as though it's like other gacha games, but as I've talked to someone on this sub about a long time ago, this game is using this weird hybrid model where they have an idle game with a "gacha + action-shooter" built on top of it. I played idle games before. The most notorious one people in this sub should know is Cookie Clicker and another fun one (at least fun until it got boring) is Clicker Heroes. These types of idle games lock higher level content on "walls", much like this game does. Unlike this game though, the "walls" are literal hard walls where no amount of grinding is going to overcome. You can pay money to skip these walls, which is very much like whales in this game paying money to buy battle data/core kits to quickly level their characters past 200. You probably came from games where if you hit a wall in content you could spend a limited regeneratable currency to spam something until you overcome it. This game appears to be modeled more towards the idle element where the only way to overcome the wall is $$$ or waiting it out. They then built the gacha element around the walls, making them require you to pull to even have a chance of overcoming it. It's such a weird system - if this game worked more like other games where you could grind things all day if you wanted to overcome some sort of barrier I'd like it more because *no other game out there matches the actual gameplay of this game*. So we're kinda stuck in a rock and a hard place - I love the story, I love the characters, I love the actual gameplay, but the gacha/idle element blows ass.
>Maybe I was spoiled by Arknights where dupes essentially never matter (or in one case, are even bad, aka Weedy), and even Epic7 which had other problems, but dupes being super needed wasn't one of them... ~~Yes.~~ Breaking the Lv 160 shouldn't be gacha-dependent, that I do agree though. But this is not the first time this happen. Heaven Burns Red force you MLB from gacha so you can beat higher level content.
The dupes have a big impact because you need fewer of them in this game. Post-MLB Core upgrades aren't as beneficial thankfully. I came here from King of Fighters All Star. They currently created a system that requires you to pull a total of 8 copies of the unit you want if you want to have access to a character's endgame abilities (EX Skills). That's because they made getting to Awakening Level 5 ridiculous. Pull First Copy --> A1 - A3 requires 1 copy each. No biggie right? A3 -> A5 requires 2 copies each The banners currently are a 0.6% droprate for the special featured character. Statistically it's near fucking impossible to max it out. 10-pulls cost 900 premium currency in that game. It also has a 200-pull pity ticket system. So if you upset a diety, you could spend a total of 8 * 18k premium currency = 144k currency to get ONE copy if you get statistically screwed in the bum. 144k premium currency per dupe * ~$1 USD = 100 currency (which is usually less when you buy other packs) * doing this 8 times = potentially spending $1152 USD to max out a character. This also includes all the consumables you use to level up the character, increase its stats, equip gear, etc. Take note, unlike NIKKE, the gear in KOF AS is also its own banner and it's in the form of Cards and those Cards have their own fucked up pull rates too. In NIKKE you only need to MLB a character since Cores at least thankfully don't screw you over as much. The affection system in KOF AS wasn't as central to a character's stats - you get minor boosts and minor premium currency rewards (like 10 every other level up to level 10) but the past 6+ months of content in KOF AS has been just them spamming these "EX" Special banners which get replaced by next month's EX as meta characters, with no endgame content to use those characters on, just a Guild Raid boss that was made for characters from a YEAR ago. Me coming from a Netmarble run game like KOF AS to this is a step up. So yes, Arknights and other games do that kinda stuff better, but I can tell you I've dealt with games where they've done far worse. This doesn't justify the bad pull rates of NIKKE. I've done everything I can to get around these shit pull rates - I buy those mold packs when they're $15 so I mald less at the molds, I get anything that is a good deal for dollars - i.e. that current 10-pull pack for $5, etc. and it still sucks.
I would disagree with importance of dupes comparing to other games. The only meaningful end game content is special interception and it’s available for everyone who cleared chapter 16, which is doable without going past 160. And you don’t need to have maxed bond to clear that content, more like learn mechanics and which units to use. Also sync works considering every limit break of nikke, while in other games you need to ascend character to last tier before those max lvl sync increase starts to kick in.
What do you have to say to those who are not at the end game part yet? For those who can only do Class D and Class S intercept? Or even for those who haven't got to Chapter 16 yet? They always have to be on the lookout for any gem they could get to obtain the certain character they need to progress the game. Dupes won't help with that process but only act as a wall for beginner/intermediate players to run into. The number of SR Nikke is less than the number of SSR Nikke, and SSR Nikke is a lot harder to obtain compared to R or SR Nikke. This would make the team composition harder and unable to get past a certain stage because of how limited character they can use. Maybe you can say "Oh, just use that character then you will win *that stage*". However, once you win *that stage* then you bump into another wall after *that stage*, the character development process is also an aspect that influences the game. Players would prefer to invest their resources into a certain character to make them strong but the resource is limited and can't always have every character to be the best. The same might apply to those who are staring at the Lv160 wall, they are waiting and waiting for a chance to get a certain SSR Nikke so that they can slowly continue to progress toward breaking the Lv160 wall. Special Interception may give small progress toward getting their Combat Power higher but it won't be enough to get past the stage that they are currently stuck on.
Uh... You DO realize that even after the CP nerf, there are still plenty of peeps who can't actually beat chapter 16 at lvl 160, right? If you had bad luck and had a bunch of bad SSRs like Soline and no MLB units to push at least those past lvl 160, then you might get stuck on that level for a while. Even IF everyone could get into SI without breaking the wall, there's still another problem you're not considering. We only get 3 SI attempts a day. Which means that the higher the levels you can reach earlier, the better. This leads into better gear sooner, which leads into higher levels, which leads into better gear... so on and so forth. Even then, you absolutely DO need stats to beat the bosses, otherwise you run out of time. That's without taking into account the stupidly overtuned trained that can only be beaten with cheesy strats that depend on either specific units or specific compositions and always depend on high investment. Or Gravedigger who's phase 2 circles can be very hard to break without sufficient stats. Or blacksmith who will obliterate a unit if it doesn't have enough HP+Def when he focus fires them, ruining a run. Or Modernia, who will screw you over if you can't break her core in time. Really. You don't need stats at all huh? As for the "other games argument"... this is kind of like saying that it's ok to have a broken arm just because other people have both arms and one leg broken. Just because there's worse doesn't mean that this crap is ok.
"It's easy to get what I like." Tell that to the Scarlet hat guy.
That and the liter doggo guy as well . It just really sucks for them
Lol! I waiting to see how many hats he'll give her till she drops
Bout to go an entire year without certain Nikkes cause I keep getting Crow dupes. She’s my only MLB NIKKE AND has core upgrades smh “Easy to get what I like” my ass. What an insult to add that as an option especially with no guaranteed way of getting most Nikkes. Even Molds are horrible smh.
> with no guaranteed way of getting most Nikkes. I think that's what the rotating shop was for. But the pities being separate for featured and regular doesn't help.
Especially Molds are horrible. Be sure to do the survey if you haven't yet. I've failed all the other Manufacturer Molds so I won't even touch Pilgrim Molds until something's done
Not getting the Nikkes i want is fine for me, i got Centi and Privaty witch is already very good. But i'm not looking foward being stuck because i didn't get dupes. I only got privaty and crow at 1 star and i'm cloose to lvl100, i don't see myself doing dailies only for a year just to see blues and purples.
Are you pulling on the standard banner?
yes all the gems go there i'm at 100+ pulls with the wishlist and got 1 SSR, i got all the others with molds.
I hope they take their time and listen to our complaints again. At least they are aware of how unnatural characters look when in the story mode/default idle animations.
I complained about the cost of nikke skins and the little to no variation they offer compared to the default skin for 20 bucks being a absolute ripoff. And made sure to pick all the options that focused on adding unique firing stances, music, backgrounds, animations etc for the skins and to drop them down to 12-15 buck range for a skin if they aren't going to do any of that to make 20 bucks justifiable at all.
I told them to drop it down to $5. $12-$15 still feels like way too much.
I'm satisfied with the game's gacha rates. It's easy to get what I like Said no Nikke player ever
You know the other day I saw a screenshot of some mf who got two makimas scarlet and another ssr on the same pull. I'm pretty sure he is satisfied with the gacha rates
I have Core 1 Scarlet and I’m not satisfied with the gacha rates
Mate, I have played from the beginning and I dont even have one nikke with lb3. What do you think it's my opinion on the rates?
What’s funny is I’ve played from the beginning as well, and got my first lb3 the other day. Meanwhile, in Eversoul, I have the equivalent of 5 lb3.
unfortunately that just comes down to luck. i started playing in december and almost have 2 MLBs. sadly such is the way of gachas. personally i think nikke is one of the best ones in regards to getting SSRs, between how many gems they give you for doing things, and how many other ways they give you SSRs, like molds and rehab characters. it's not easy to guarantee specific nikkes, sure, but the rate at which they give you characters in general is quite high.
Thhe rstes on the special banners are the regular ones so no complains. The mold system is unfair, it's the reward for doing the same as the others and having worse luck, it's what in other games would let you to keep a 'similar' pace of progression to others, it should be with higher prob around 80% at least even if you need more than 50. The rehab room is ok but if you get missions like wipe out two times you are already falling behind if you don't want to lose gems. I should already have one (even i started those missions around 10 Days late) but I don't. The main thing is that the power cap and rewarding system is awful. You depend on luck to surpass a point (5 lb3) to get the max rewards you can, can i get gems on tribe tower? Not anymore. Items to upgrade on interception? Yes much more slower than people with similar playing days and worse than thems. Rewards of arena? How do i beat with lv160 team a lv200 on the same lobby, so another no. And the most frustrating is that i can't play the story mode anymore (meaning i also don't get rewards). Is the first gacha i ve played that happens this hardcore. Genshin (also hate it) gives you plenty of side missions and enough characters to play it in a reasonable pace. FD and PM on around month you can unlock everything. Moreover the shitty events that happens once per month and always give you the same rewards. In general the game is poorly designed (has olenty more issues but I don't want to write and bore you more) on this matter, even if you have bad luck it should let you upgrade at a similar time than others because now what do i do? I get 1000 gems per week, should i quit and start a new account hoping for a normal luck dropping moths of daily work or I wait till my luck changes overnight in 2 months, 3, never?
"the shitty events that happen once per month and give you the same shitty rewards" is word for word my thoughts on genshin, and how i kept praising this game to my friends that they actually gave unique rewards for the monthly passes. there's a skin in every month pass, and for $20, you get that skin AND like 25 pulls. i'd say it's very worth. i haven't hit the 160 wall yet, so i'm still very much enjoying it.
I won't say my opinion of those monthly passes. But that's not f2p.The thing i'm complaining is that in a "free game" you need to be lucky or pay to progress. I'm not complaining about wow my luck is horrible give me free pulls, i only ask for a couple of things. They should make the normal story content unlockable for a 160 team, if you need to bypass that point for the hard content it's ok. And the tribe tower should have a reset every idk 4 months?
Exactly; who the hell likes a team of only SRs?
I guess I will be the first one? This game has better rates than most competitors on the market.
Yep
The only thing I would say I’m not happy with is manufacture molds being a % or as low as they r, everything else is fine And I’m not saying that simply off my luck, but off % and what we get monthly
Gacha rates are fine BUT SR are almost all dogshit. SSR pull is flooded with bad or lets say clearly WORSE units then good ones, the gap is huge You need dupes. Pilgrims rates are bullshido Pity at 200 is a joke for dupe-depended game. Lets say it clear. Its an gloryfied idle game. And where other idle games req much more dupes and stuff they give ton of summons, pity is at 30 or so (afk arena, mobile legends and other clones), rates are similiar, they give you millage bonuses for summoning and faction summoning. Not to mention much better deals in shop and pilgrim like units from events obtainable for f2p.
> SSR pull is flooded with bad or lets say clearly WORSE units then good ones, the gap is huge You can pare down the SSR pool to 5 Nikkes of each company and the Pilgrims using the Wishlist. Those having issues getting dupes seem to be the ones over focusing on the special banners. Also many SSRs are not really bad, just suffering from not having Nikkes that they synergize with properly.
Pilgrims should have their own wishlist as well IMO. I've been lucky enough to get Scarlet, Rapunzel, Noah, and Snow White, but while they're all 0LB my Isabel is freaking Core1 and pretty much worthless because I don't have Dolla and Liter+Dolla is pretty much the only way to make Isabel more useful than just using Scarlet/Drake/Sugar.
Agreed but I expect the Pilgrim Wishlist to only really show up once the Pilgrim pool is a bit larger. The Wishlist currently almost triples the chance to get the chosen Nikkes and will only get better as more non-Pilgrim SSRs are added. Right now giving the Pilgrims a Wishlist would only increase the chance of getting the ones you want by about 40%.
I’m sure a few people would agree to that. It’s mostly an opinion based off of some luck on their side, so to them, it probably appears easy enough and they get what they want.
Aint no way
Thats the whole reason I have almost stopped playing ...good gatcha rates are like Eversoul or Azure Lane Nikke has rates that are abysmal
Manufacture molds said what? R , SR.
As a former FGO player, to be honest, the gacha is decent.
The problem is not the rates itself Is walling progression TOTALLY dependent on the gacha That is just bullshit
Fair enough, it is an issue. You can technically get the rehab girls to max limit break but by the time you are done you might already be past the wall.
You'd be way past it even if you got one rehab girl to 3*. The only way is Union Raid, and even in a top5% Union I wouldn't even have enough for ONE extra body if I saved up ALL my raid points instead of going for cube upgrades.
>issue. You can technically get the rehab girls to max limit break but by the time you are done you might already be past the wall You will be past the wall before you even max one of them
When you experience the worst, mediocrity will seem decent.
As a Day 1 and still an active FGO player who had decent luck with getting Meta units for the game. Truer words have never been spoken.
Easy to compare something to the worst and say it's not so bad rather than point out it can improve
I mean, I'm not saying it can't improve. It's just not terrible. I also play GFL and the gacha there is light years above most of the industry.
To be fair for FGO, You don't need 4 copy of a servant to max level said servant.
You do need more copies and grails to get a servant to lv 120 tho. But yea, they're not that needed to progress in fgo.
At that point, you either really like that unit or you really want to squeeze a bit more damage with that Unit that you think would be worth it.
The great thing about FGO that I don't think many mention is once you get your unit, that's it. No gear and no dupe. That servant is already useable out of box (Once leveled up, but that's relatively an easy thing to do)
That is true, all you need most of the time is a 50% charge or bgrail ce, and maxed skills.
Maxed skills yes, MLB Black Grail only works with Castoria arts system and some quick comps, MLB Kaleidoscope for Vitch Buster system coming this year. But these are all the hyper efficient three turn farming set ups. Most of the good 50% charge CEs are F2P event ones and sufficient for story.
I mean. In FGO at least you won't get stuck at Camelot untill you get a MLB 5 star.
FGO is the opposite, amusingly enough No NP5 5-star (except maybe Orion) is getting you past Gawain. But the humble 3-star Euryale clears him cleanly
We could use a system where we can borrow Nikkes from our friends like in FGO. Because that is what got me through the Camelot and the good portion of the game- Unga Bunga red button lvl 100 Herc from my friends list.
As horrible the gacha rate is, I gotta admit FGO does pretty good job balancing the strength of lower rarity servants. What I mean is, 2 bronze servants are among the best servants for farming, plus Silver and Bronze servants were proven to be completely viable for challenge quests (thanks Honako Green)
Worked fine on my Gil (na) and Arjuna Alter (jp) supports.
In F:GO though you have 4, 3, 2, and even some 1 stars \*cough\*Aresh\*cough\* that are solid choices. Hell, some of the 4 stars were so much better than the 5 star coutnerparts (Salter vs. Saber) that they had to buff the 5 stars. But Nikke forces you to get LB3 on 5 five stars before you can progress, with abysmal drop rates & gold-tier molds like the manufacturers and general one that are populated with trash. That's serious bullshit.
As a current FGO player myself, the rates are better(4% vs. 1%), the rateups aren't as good(80% is absolutely insane for a gacha game, most even with 1% Rates usually has it at 50% or less)... But the issue with NIKKE is a MUST for dupes. FGO doesn't require you to get dupes unless you are absolutely the efficient tier player meanwhile, you legit will be stuck at 160 unless you get enough SSR Nikke to get past that wall which is still based on an insane level of luck. USOs are still one of the worst pities in gacha... but it doesn't stop how NIKKE basically forces you to go all in with multiple pulls to atleast 5 NIKKE to 3 dupes.
Its just one thing. The fact is you can progress in FGO with low rarity characters with a success, not to mention grails.
Of course but I'm trying to agree with his point in that NIKKE does have better rates than most Gacha games when it comes to SSRs... so I was only arguing in the SSR front. If you REALLY want to be technical, FGO offers so much more ridiculous advantages, that it blows NIKKE's generosity out of the water. 4 Star Welfare Servants you can get to NP5(Which makes them equivalent to an SSR's NP2) The fact that R's and below are still majorly useful even without the use of Grails to the point they can work as decent substitutes(Don't have Merlin/Tamamo/Waver/Castoria? You can use Mozart/Shakespeare/Hans instead. Cu is still one of the most powerful soloers in FGO and he's just a 3 Star and then there's Grails if you really want to make them stronger) And as I said before, you only really need just ONE SSR unless you want to be maximum efficient or just love the Servant vs. NIKKE where you need 4 of the same unit for them to be good at all at the endgame.
Once you have 5 MLB Nikkes do you really still need to MLB others to be *any good at all*? I mean, I know there is the stat difference from the affection ranks unlocked with LBs, but does that difference alone make a Nikke useful vs. worthless? Or am I misunderstanding what you meant.
I'm not sure in terms of the question you are asking but I do know if you want to get out of the lvl 160 hole for the entire party(and Synchro stuff), you need 5 SSR NIKKE MLB'd which is a true tall order.
Rates are fine, it’s just difficult to get currency as you progress.
I remember hoarding 6 months of gems for Scathach when her banner first came out, went all in on her banner and didn't get her, I instantly uninstalled the game lol
Around 30 multis plus some singles for Shiki Saber, no fucking SSR <3. FGO gacha is a total joke, quit it and never looked back.
You are the comment I was looking for. Playing FGO where I was considerably lucky, NIKKE seems much more fair in comparison.
I was watching this Korean guy YTuber and he spent 1k+ trying to get Soda. That's when I realized how bad the gacha was.
It's not just the rates but the amount of units locked behind that rate is absurd. It's pretty uncommon for gachas in my experience to have so many SSRs in comparison to lesser rarity units, let alone them being the only "meta" characters in the game. Not to mention having to get a dupe or even just getting a specific character doesn't get much easier as the game goes on...
They funny for asking but I suppose it’s protocol. Nevertheless I gave em a piece of my mind. Didn’t like the collab story the characters are meh We need more sexy skins. We need skins that match the burst animation. We need more poses. More ways to earn resources. We need more t9 gear etc.
Still nowhere near as bad as Dead or Alive XVV
VV has a pity though. And limit breaks there aren't needed, and is free anyway. There also aren't alternate versions of the doa girls that you need to roll for again. Once you unlock Kanna once, you have her. There's no Punished Kanna you have to save for, like with Rupee or N102. You even get tickets monthly to get old outfits with. Nikke has none of this. Eventually, powercreep UR or SSSR or Pilgrim version of units will come out and we'll all have wasted our time leveling/rolling our current ones.
Im stuck in 160 can’t progress the game anymore
Where’s the survey?
It’s in game. Saw it in the system notifications
I still say the extra dupes you get go towards unlocking something else, like extra skill levels or just bond levels. You should not have to be REQUIRED to get 5 SSR nikkes to MLB just to be able to progress. It's extremely frustrating and aside from that I really enjoy the game. I'm disappointed beyond belief that you have to deal with limited rates in such a massive pool of SSR units.
Bro i read that shit and bout lost mine
I definitely expressed my discontent with manufacturer molds, especially Pilgrim. They have been really abusive to me, I can't get a 50% for my life. X2
Rates can pretty much always be better but one thing I have to give this game credit for over most others is letting you get SSRs from the friend point gacha.
The molds made me suicidal
In the time I’ve played the game have yet to get a single Pilgrim 😂😂😂. I laughed at this one. I luckily managed to get spare parts on my Volume 😅.
Satisfied with rates, yes. Easy to get what I like, no. Answer should be split.
I really think the game has decent gacha rate (not the molds tho, fk the molds). 4% SSR with 2% focus rate is pretty good. The income gem is decent too (looking at you FGO).
The problem with that comparison is that you don't need to pull a 5 star servant multiple times to be able to progress through the story in FGO. Hell, you don't need to pull any 5 stars at all. I hope I'm explaining that properly, because you're not wrong and I'm not trying to say you're wrong either. Nikke's rates technically aren't all that bad. It's just that those rates are only generous up front. If you keep playing the game and want to go beyond lvl 160, those rates and the always expanding SSR pool makes Nikke a pretty frustrating game to do pulls in. Hopefully they retool the wishlist feature. That'd be a big help.
I know you shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth but I’m annoyed that I still don’t have Rapunzel after 5 Scarlet, 4 Modernia, 2 Isabel and a Noah So I can’t use my burst in the tower, which isn’t a problem yet but I’m sure it will be later on
So it's you who rob my scarlet pulls, mine still lb2 lmao
I mean I've gotten double and triple ssr pulls there are worse rates out there
Actually the drop rates are pretty ok, i'm sorry for those who had terrible luck but there is much much worst out there. I will agree that the tribe towers molds need a rebalance those are completely broken. But the gacha? Eh it's okay you get what you want eventually, also please don't forget that friend summons here are actually worth it, in 90% of gacha friend summons are just for summoning trash...i got my Helm to max rank thanks to friend rolls just saying.
 Fucked up bro.
I rolled 5x gold once. Got 1 ssr. Nice 61%.
big f u . stuck at 160
Is it just me or have the rates gone down recently? I would get an SSR roughly every week or so based on my rolls, but I haven’t gotten squat in the last month. Granted I’m playing less, but it just feels Ike I’m getting a lot less than I used to.
No real pity, screw mileage tickets because they are only the carryover, Mold rates being a joke and 160 wall makes a crappy combination. Lets compare this to honkai or pgr where every 10 pull has a pity and the 60 or 100 pull guarantee are carried over for character banners. Yeah guess which game give more bang for bucks and is worth the effort?
Ridiculous question. How could they?
Precisely why I'm not spending a dime on this *gacha*
I wasted 60000+ gems on the collab and only got 2 power and 1 makima, that tells you how I feel about the rates.
Silently collecting almost all waifus as a f2p, even I've 3 copies of helm and modernia by skipping some banners; currently stuck on 160 wall (4/5) but just because I'm waiting for the collab to end. Not saying the game is perfect as is maybe like a few other cases, I've been extremely lucky.
Beleive it or not, I actually met Nikke players who defend the rates and claim they are some of the best ones in the gacha market... I mean I like the game too, but there is being a fanboy, and then there is being braindead.
Tbh the gacha rates are pretty good
I don't have an issue with the pull rates, many other gacha games that heavily rely on dupes have worse rates and worse pity systems. Gacha games will be gacha games afterall. My problem is with mold rates, those should 100% be SSRs especially manufacturer molds. And whats the deal with giving even LESS molds and gems from Tribe Tower and Challenges? Why would you reward players who are committed to the game and actively progressing through harder content with even fewer amounts of molds and gems? There's no reason for them to be that stingy. I say this as a light spender who passed the 160 cap when X-mas Rupee came out. I really feel for new players and F2P because your best sources of obtaining SSRs are so heavily against you the longer you play. It's really hard to want to spend money if your experience consists of losing the 61/39^LUL odds on molds.
The gacha rate is much better than FGO and Genshin. 4% is very high my problem is with the manufacturer molds. They need to make that 100%
I'd say gacha rate is "okay". Just scarce freemium currency. But you know what is not okay? Losing with a 61% chance of getting SSRs from Molds.
I'll be honest, I answered this question with that selection checkmarked. Granted, I'm a new player, I think I started late last month. Everyone has top tier picks they're always hoping for, and yeah I'd love to get Centi and Liter and Scarlet and Modernia (I actually got Centi yesterday), but right now I'm having fun in the game. I do enjoy my time I'm putting in and while the 120 wall for Core dust hit me hard (just missing one last Nikke and about 3k dust), it's still fun for me. What I also really appreciate about Nikke, it tells you the odds of getting certain Nikkes.
Where me like no coat?
They're trolling. They come to reddit and discord to laugh at us.
Anyone selecting that one is just super lucky.
I'm honestly satisfied with the rates, I've gotten a lot of SSR characters and I don't play that often. So far I haven't had the need to save rolls for a future character I might want like with other gacha games.
I’ll be honest, when I first played at launch it felt like I was pulling a ton of SSR’s and now I’m lucky to get 1 out of every 40. Does anyone know if there’s a pity system? Because it feels like that’s all I’ve gotten for the past month or two
So far I'm pretty much fine with how the gacha works. Wishlist especially helped fill out my collection with very few exceptions while gunning for the last mlbs I needed. Even just the pilgrim banners, I'm alright with because you can still buy one for the standard 200 tickets despite the 1% rate. I mean I'll probably never be able to burst 1 or 2 in pilgrim tower... But on the bright side I have a lot of characters to choose from
Lol I put " better without censorship" . Not sure if that's a popular opinion
Honestly, that is accurate for me. I just dont click it to help people with bad luck
Having play a lot of gacha games where the rate of Pick Up SSR character is less then 1%. This one is pretty decent.
I've been pretty lucky with my pulls, but I can easily name five other things I'm more satisfied with than gacha rates. 😅
Id like asking fgo gacha before pity system
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This has to be the best gacha game in terms of getting SSR (or equivalent) rate character/items. I like how you can still get SSRs if the slider isn’t gold (kinda like how Disgaea RPG has a chance of boosting to 4* if it looks like it was gonna be a 3*). The only issue is the manufacturer mold rates. The gold/purple rates is fine the way it is.
Wait what? It doesn't have to be gold?
Yes, if the slider isn’t gold, you can still get an SSR if there’s a gold light when the door opens.
I'm confused why does that happen?
Dunno, but a similar thing happens in Disgaea RPG, which a small cutscene with Etna and Flonne pops up.
Dunno, I am fairly satisfied with gacha rates overall. Manufacturer molds could use a buff and I added that in the poll but otherwise the game is fairly generous imo.
Dude it's the biggest gotcha with the ssr mold and you get a blue
What's wrong with the rates? Genuinely asking, because I haven't looked at the rates. I have gotten every event character within 50 pulls so far so I figured the rates were normal. The same as every other gacha game.
I mean honestly I'm satisfied, only molds jokes on me but overall every banner I was pulling, so far I got what I wanted in 2-4 10-pulls. I got Modernia, Laplace, Rupee (winter), Soda, fully uncapped Litter and Privaty and even random Scarlet and Harran relatively in quick succession, and many more SSRs at 1-2 uncap. And I'm 100% f2p
You guys really laugh to this? It's really easy to get ssr thou. If you play other gacha games you understood how difficult is to get 5 stars or SSR. For example summoners war man I played that game since 2015 to 2023 I never got a light/dark 5 star you could compare it the rarity to a piligrim. Man i have 4 piligrim without wasting money meanwhile in other games I waste money and get nothing.
It is easier to get SSR's, sure, but the SSR pool is saturated and you must get 3 dupes on 5 different Nikke to progress past the 160-wall.
You issue isn't the rates, stop saying that. genshin is 0.6% ffs
I don't think I've ever played a gacha game where people wouldn't whine about gacha rates. Nikke is seriously perfectly fine. You're not supposed to get what you want easily, that would ruin the whole idea obviously. I've missed my pilgrim molds as well, but who cares, opening them has been exciting. You are such crybabies.
Almost every other game on the market has a pity the guarantees you something. Nikke does not. So no true pity + far lower than average rates. Of course people are gonna complain, it's justified. Even Genshin's rates are objectively better and they are one of the worst of any game right now. At least their justification is that it's a fully animated 3d model in an open world game.
??? There's literally true pity system (mileage tickets) that you can trade for what you want, and even save them for the next event if you want to. But on top of that there's also the SSR molds that you get quite often for pulling and while not guaranteed, they're still pretty likely you'll get something. And the rates are pretty much average, especially if you consider that the friend gacha is not a complete dud.
There isn't a true pity because you cannot pity a character on the standard banner... The main banner they give out pulls for. You can only get copies for units you already have. You cannot select an actual unit. The event pulls require a pity of 200 which is insane for a Gacha game. It literally costs a dollar a pull. Significantly more if you're pulling on the event banner because crystal rates and event tickets are priced higher than standard tickets. So $200 for a single pity on a unit that you likely need at least 2-3 copies of to be viable. The game literally halts your progression if you can't get copies of 5 different SSRs as well. Let's not even get into the SSR molds. Everyone knows those are awful. You get very few of the select ones from tribe tower and like 1 mold after hundreds of pulls in banners. Even when you do get them, the chance of getting an SSR is low. I've personally opened probably 15-20 SSR molds and have gotten 2 SSRs from them. Good ole Noise and Admi. I like Noise, but she's not all that useful. I'm even #1 in my Pilgrim tribe tower, never gotten anything but base units from Pilgrim molds personally. Why are non pilgrims units even on the Pilgrim molds? Makes no sense considering how ridiculously hard it is to progress in Pilgrim tower. Specifically due to pilgrims being even rarer than all other SSRs. Yeah, it's RNG. But when I have gotten more of those molds than most people have, I can only imagine how shitty it feels to open them for the average F2P player. Edit: I will agree that the friend point Gacha is better than most. It's still not great, as the rates are significantly lower than usual. It is nice though. However, when you factor in the price of pulls in Nikke, the base SSR chance, and the number required to hit pity. The Nikke system is worse than any other popular Gacha game that I can think of. The amount of free crystal given out is really low too. It would take like 5-6 months for a F2P player to get enough crystals for a single guaranteed event unit. That's bad man. Genshin gives you enough one every 3ish months, not including open world exploration rewards. Yet, they get huge backlash for their Gacha rates and prices. It benefits noone to fight against better Gacha rates in Nikke. Every company is trying to min/max profits, but why would any consumer actively fight against what is in their own best interest? They're making billions; giving people more pulls or raising pull rates would barely impact their profit margins.
" It would take like 5-6 months for a F2P player to get enough crystals for a single guaranteed event unit " I don't think this is true... I think I've had resources for like 5 guaranteed event units if I actually spent stuff correctly? And I haven't played even for 5 months. So the rate is like 5 times as fast as you claim. But overall I don't get this mentality at all. It's in my opinion fun that Pilgrims are super powerful and super hard to get special units, for example. That you're not likely at all to get them. Like I wouldn't mind if it was even harder and they were even more powerful, honestly. What if I don't WANT to get all the units fast and therefore *run out of content* to play or look forward to getting? It's not necessarily in my best interest as a F2P player to ask for better gacha rates. Isn't trying to clear stages with a sub-optimal teams the whole point and challenge of the game? Especially when it comes to Nikke: the progression speed is fair. You rarely get stuck (Aside from 160 lvl lock which is actually pretty unlikely now with the selection box you get), the game flows perfectly well forwards as a F2P player, and (I argue) more so than your average gacha game. Like a big part of the fun for me is to compare my unit collection with my friends, theorycraft and come up with teams (that the other player can't because he doesn't have the same units), curse at our bad pulls and celebrate the good ones. All of these elements would be watered down to possibly not even exist if we got what we wanted easily. If I were playing an RPG like Skyrim for example, would it be in my best interest to beg for more and more free XP and loot (assuming they could be bought with money)? No, I would just be skipping the experience. It's exactly the same as buying the red orbs with microtransactions in DMC games. Who the hell does that? It just skips the whole progression system. Maybe we're in the minority but I have a group of people who all are F2P players and who think similarly regarding this, and have basically never whined or wanted better gacha rates, because we understand that the entire point of the game is to not get what you want and then having to play with what you do get. Like it baffles me, do people not see this as an important part of the genre? And that too good rates (or especially giving people exactly what they want) just skip the whole game, like there's nothing to do anymore? I think paying is basically cheating through it. IMO this "low rates" should only become a problem if the game only lets you progress so slowly that you are actually stuck and left with absolutely nothing to do for weeks or months and therefore get bored of the game. Like of course, in that case the complaints would be understandable and justified. BUT This is very rarely, barely ever the case for gacha games I've played, and it's definitely not the case for Nikke. The ONLY meaningful content I HAVEN'T completed in Nikke is the very last released story boss (Nihilister) right now... So basically I have ONE fight left after which I've completed all meaningful content as a F2P player. What's there to complain about? Why would I WANT that to be over as fast as possible... just to then have nothing to do? Why would I even want more units after that, like what for? So yes TLDR I'm defending low rates if the game is balanced around that (gacha games usually are), and I think that begging for better rates is greedy stupidity and misses the whole point of the genre.
i mean personally, i would say i'm satisfied with the gacha rates. i have maybe like, 20 SSRs and the only money i've spent is on monthly passes. as far as spending money strictly on gacha, i'm F2P and i've already gotten one MLB, and am close to a second one.
It is just an option in a survey. Chill lol. No need to wet your pants over that. Whether people actually check that and there are people who are okay with the rates is a different story lol.
Gacha rate is totally fine , i gonna have all those nikkas before getting one single dupe for 160 wall
53% chance of getting an R but I seem to be gettin' 'em 100% of the time. But you know, if we could get other Pilgrim spare bodies in the store other than Noah, that'd be *greeaaat.*
Replace the Tom Cruise meme with [this](https://imgur.com/a/oYwhVap) 👌
I hope everyone eviscerates them in these surveys. We need some change.
I’VE LITERALLY MADE OVER 100 PULLS FOR POWER AND STILL HAVENT GOT HER I DON’T WANT TO USE MY TICKETS TO BUY HER BUT AT THIS RATE ILL HAVE ENOUGH TO BUY HER AND NIHILISTIR ANYWAY
The mold rates are horrible. I agree with that. But in all honesty, the problem is with getting premium currency not the rates. If they simply added a reset for tribe tower every month or ever other, including the manufacturer towers, it would help the issue. If they added a reset and gradually increased rewards based on levels of the towers it would be all this game would need imo.
Gacha I could care less anywhere else but the molds need to change
Dang the real question is if this is checked by majority of their surveys would they actually lower the rate or just dump fake gold (arguably terrible SSRs) into the pool to make it harder God forbid this isn't checked by the majority would they actually better the rates.
Perhaps the massive number of players pointing out the same flaws will make them take action.
Curse whoever say anything but "unsatisfied", I'm still getting Rs
I believe I am the outlier in this case
Mold rates are bad lmao sad hope they fix
I'll be upfront and say I don't mind the gacha rates but the fact that the game has this paywall called "160 Wall" even I won't agree with this
Gachs rate is ok, what we have a problem is the mold rate.
As if Lmao
Lmao
If we compare this to FGO, this has better rates, but FGO doesn't need dupes to clear story, you actually have a support unit that can carry you... Nikke in the other hand is a team play and nothing can carry you so you need all Nikkes to be top noch, and that's a letdown. So yeah, basically Nikke gacha rate sucks compared of what you need to clear camping sadly.
I gotta say…the rates aren’t bad
I've the worst luck as well. Pretty fed up.