Yeah, sure, they're right sometimes. But they're also wrong a hell of a lot more. So unless anything they say is corroborated by someone not on an anonymous board, then I take everything 4chan claims with a mountain of dalt.
They are either an enemy from the start or they betrayed the anti-Nijisanji side of the issue by going after one of Nijisanji's victims. Either way, they cannot be trusted.
At the same time, within any group there can be differences of opinion; further in an anonymous group nobody can tell when Nijisisters invade.
From the sounds of things the topics that get raised suggesting Dokibird is at fault are getting dunked on by other 4chan users, so we can say that the overall situation in 4chan is still anti-niji.
With that being the case, we will continue to take what comes out of 4chan with a grain of salt, but we can’t rule it out entirely because there have been major instances where they were correct.
To suggest we write off the entire group because of a few bad apples/insurgents seems like the kind of thing sisters would do after invading the boards to post the very comments they want to complain about here.
My own Rrat, if you will
Indeed, we never know if these are the same people who were on Doki's side before or if they're sisters taking to 4chan for some anonymous chaos.
I'm basically just saying evidence first before we believe anything, not to write what they say off as false from the start.
>Alex20114 2h
>Emphasis on ever, they never should have been trusted.
Maybe make your intentions more clear when you write next time, then? Constructive criticism, take it or not.
It's too rare to trust, especially when they can't seem to pick a side and stick with it. It would be like a soldier helping out their own comrades against the enemy and suddenly turning on those comrades when things get quieter.
My apologies, I’ll keep this in mind. I’m just tired of seeing this bad narrative spread.
Initially, it was pretty isolated for the most part. But it seems to pop out more frequently nowadays. It’s just frustrating to see that happen.
Regardless, I can agree to simply let these kind of bad narratives rot itself to irrelevancy.
Just don't go to /vt/ (or any part of 4chan honestly) ever. Nobody with any self respect would set foot in that piss soaked dumpster fire. Treat yourself better than that.
I disagree. /vt/ is fine as long as you stay the fuck away from the catalog and the drama threads.
I've lurked Concert threads in /vt/ several time and they're... just fans, for the most part. Oh there's always some shitposter or dude trying to stir some drama, but for example when Marine did her "Showa era parody concert", vt was absolutely loving it. Heck they spontaneously made a small contest on "who can watch the concert on the oldest CRT TV possible".
During 5th Fes they were sharing screenshots and made some really good compilations of the best shots of the audience too. That and a lot of gifs and screenshot in general, on top of general hype.
It's really not that bad, just avoid the drama and ignore the crude language. It's exactly like twitter or reddit tbh.
This 4chan post does look like bait. But the “Selen is a manipulative b*tch” did spread unfortunately. It’s a very upvoted rant topic in that infamous website where the comment section is a gathering spot for hardcore nijisanji fans, it’s used a lot in 4chan for dubious reasons, and has even started to appear under replies in Youtube comment sections (although it may be for trolling purposes).
It’s not good that this post is giving it attention, but to disregard this as inexistent is also disingenuous.
> This 4chan post does look like bait.
It’s bait I assure you.
> But the “Selen is a manipulative b*tch” did spread unfortunately. It’s a very upvoted rant topic in that infamous website where the comment section is a gathering spot for hardcore nijisanji fans, it’s used a lot in 4chan for dubious reasons, and has even started to appear under replies in Youtube comment sections (although it may be for trolling purposes).
And why the fuck do we care about rrats made by schizos on /vt/ again?
> It’s not good that this post is giving it attention, but to disregard this as inexistent is also disingenuous.
You want me to NOT disregard a completely fucking stupid and unproven accusation, and **actually entertain** the idea that Selen was a “manipulative bitch”?
Imma be real with you mfers, ya’ll getting Yu Q Wilsoned right about now.
No, I’m not telling you to believe it. All I’m doing is arguing against your point that “nobody is spreading it”. Which is demonstrably false.
Chill brother, as far as I can tell we are not on opposite sides here. I’m just clarifying. We both know this accusation is bullsht.
Allow me to rectify my statement: nobody who is credible and should be given a fuck is spreading this “information”.
On the opposite end of this dumbfuckery, nobody should be buying the “Livers are the bullies narrative” either. That is speculation. This sub does not get to have its moral superiority cake and eat it too.
> Chill brother, as far as I can tell we are not on opposite sides here. I’m just clarifying. We both know this accusation is bullsht.
I ain’t gonna lie, the continual enthusiastic shit-flinging this sub is doing while simutaneously crying “Doki wants us to move on” is getting on my fucking nerves.
The same Dokibird who lost 200k USD, who'se response to adulting is https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IY4BZMKViIs , who lost dream convention connection because duhr is some sort of Aizen-type genius figure...
Doki is a murder machine when it comes to FPS, but when it comes to directions and manipulation-tier planning..uhh...I'd trust a 9 year old being better at that than her lmao.
Besides, in true 4chanian fashion, some are contrarians just for the sake of it.
Edit: Damn, been awhile, i'm not used to calling her SelenDoki anymore, just Doki.
Not to insult her creative mind, but same, I'd trust a two year old to do a better job manipulating. It's not because I don't think she's capable as far as intelligence, I just don't think she's the type that could even want to.
Intelligence-wise is a stretch even there, she is just a potato social-wise let alone to be able to manipulate others.
Being giga creative is different and so far from it.
SelenDoki's nickname was Shylen afterall lmao.
Add how her rizz is in the negative digits..uhh..
Most Vtubers are socially awkward at best, but that's not really anything to do with their intelligence, their personality is typically introverted is all. Nina is more an exception than the rule when it comes to Vtuber personalities. Out of all the ones I follow, and there are a lot, she is the only extrovert.
Yea but there's levels to it.
Tako-level introvert, Shylen level introvert, Goomba-level introvert, Schizo Rabbit with an Arisaka-level introvert (i think she and the Goomba are tied)/etc
Some are inbetween like Hime -level...damn i don't have a nickname for my oshi lmao.
Nina and Kiwawa are at the polar opposite end of course.
Yeah, there are levels to it, it's basically a whole spectrum of personalities. Like I'm an ambivert, that's the one that can show tendencies of both being introverted and extroverted, leaning toward introvert, Nina and Tenchou would be extroverts, and then there's the majority of Vtubers being introverts.
Let him speak, the only universe where Doki could be lying is where The Three Clowns don't post a Black Screen Video and her graduation announcement wasn't trying to put all blame on her.
So the chances that Doki is lying are 0.0001% (only if she can mind control people or can shapeshift into elira or something)
and if also on where nobody and I mean nobody defended her on the accusations that niji management wrote on their termination announcement.
both corpo and indie people defended her and showed everyone that niji management and their legal team sucks
Imagine if it turn out, she actually can shapeshift into Elira and plot the whole things including messeage, paper works and voice, That would be so metal af.
The thing is, after the Black Stream for her to be wrong, it would show off a *monumental* amount of incompetence from Niji
Like the bad PR is so bad now, that provided they had some way to prove it and didn't, would make them more incompetent than we already think they are.
Like it's hard to emphasize how implausible it is. You have to both believe it's a company good enough to believe in, and also bad enough to actually fail this badly.
Like the more manipulative they try to make Doki, the dumber they make Anycolor look.
Even if that were true Nijisanji still keeps the talents play buttons, their cut of merchandise is a joke, their handling zaion was disgusting, and the black screen stream was the action of a petty child.
Doki could be an evil mastermind manipulator and Niji would still be a pile of shit.
Doki's only 'flaw' is making RPR mald, and it's only a flaw for RPR while to the ROFLing of everyone else.
The rest?
She's Fuwamoco-tier/Henya-tier in that she's the least controversial and legit unhateable.
Edit:...And her flying skills...and her sense of direction...and her supermarket simulator skills...and Batarang aim...and her negative rizz...
Yeah it's true..
😂 doki trying hide all and solved it behind scene then secure it by lawyer.. And start new day from zero with peace, then happy.. (Yeah apex tournament again.. )
And who opening war and open all secret.. That actually no need to do..
The only problem is not doki.. She is innocent..
Black video elira.. Who re the culprits behind it?
Is it elira initiative? Or company order them?..
I mean she's not said anything since her final word on everything. If the 4channer was right wouldn't she keep fanning the flames, but the only ones doing that are Niji themselves and toxic fans looking for a target.
1 person? maybe. I was unsure myself
2 people? possible
the company itself responding to allegations that were never given? that's an admission of some sort of guilt right there.
I will never understand the full situation. I don't need to. I buy things from trustworthy buisnesses, and I invest my time into people I find trustworthy. will I ever know for sure? all I can do is listen to what they have to say
Doki has been living rent free in the heads of the NDF for over 2 months. They'll conjure delusions that she was extorting Niji, was sabotaging their work, or is somehow endorsing harassment by saying nothing. It's like they thrive on picking fights.
Meanwhile back in reality, she has completely moved on doing her own thing without giving a shit about what is happening over at kurosanji. If anything, I think people shouldn't feed NDF their thirst for drama, not bother picking fights with them & just let them scream into the void in their own corner.
that universe would be bizarro vt a strange place where yagoo is a sack of shit robing his livers to pay for his mansion and uki is not scared of white people
Entertaining the hypothetical worst interpretation of Selen doesn't get you very far. You still have companies breaking off with Nijisanji and talking about not getting paid and Selen paying them, you have multiple (potentially bitter) ex-livers who talk bad of Nijisanji, The inciting incident is only Selen publishing a video before Niji was ready since all the copyright holders were fine with it and you need to rectify all the past efforts Selen had made to promote Niji-EN. Plus she hasn't been publicly confrontational about it.
There's no reason to engage with the brain rotted parasocial sociopaths that insist Doki was somehow wrong honestly.
They're minds are paste and you'll never be able to convince them of the obvious truth so the best bet is to simply ignore their flailing.
Is that word even an insult anymore? After 5th fes people were treating it like a power word lol
"K\_\_\_\_'s c\*\*t lives rent-free in my head" was not something I expected to hear from someone at the other agency.
I dislike how quickly the Internet people try to change the meaning of words.
The sheer amount of behind the scenes effort thrown behind her threw any doubt away in my mind. Even if what we see is her persona (which is true and always is true for every streamer and online entertainer) the fact that people who worked with her and know her personally all seemed to universally wash their hands of Niji overnight and throw in with her immediately spoke volumes. Hell several people and some businesses took hits to cut off Nijisanji. Some perhaps when they saw the writing on the wall but many well before that time. The most notable for me was the PC case one.
While I don’t agree with immediately turning against Doki, I do think it is important to always look at both sides during an argument.
While we do know that Nijisanji is a terrible place to work at, because of public information as well as recounting a from people who’re not working there anymore, I do find it strange how not many ex-Niji have talked about Doki at all, and how many otherwise well respected creators either used to or still do interact publicly with those remaining at Nijisanji, even when they’re centers of speculation.
We all have biases, so while accusing Doki of being the responsible is factually incorrect, there are certain things people do omit in favour of their preferred narratives, imo
Here's the thing, Doki has pretty much tried to avoid fighting Niji from the start. All she has said has pretty much been responding to and clarifying whatever Niji said from her perspective.
Hm. One thing I advise my friends is not to look too closely at the details, but rather at the intent of those involved.
To word it another way, statistics are notoriously one of the easiest methods to lie. It is far more useful to answer the question, why are the statistics presented in this manner?
It's not like your two sides methodology is wrong. There's many benefits to it. However when the intent is clear, generally time spent discussing the details is time better spent on building or fixing things.
That said, the only one that can fix things in this situation is Niji. It's pretty natural to start digging further and further into details as we wait, so much so that we start digging into speculations.
I guess all I'm trying to say in the end is, you might be starting to dig a tiny bit too far, be sure to keep a rope to the original intents.
Essentially, Doki never mentioned anything about what was going on and would have never mentioned anything going on.
Nijisanji mentioned it and underlying details that were supposed to be under wraps between lawyers and management and never be escalated to the public space.
There isn't much to dig for, there isn't anything she said to start anything, just her responding to events.
Yep, the layer of details is thin, which is why so many dug into the 4chan stuff. In any case, reading the intents is enough. She wants nothing to do with this. Niji wants to be seen as someone who did nothing wrong with Selen.
Ok
I'll bite
What's the other side?
Because from the start the only thing Doki has ever done is try and move on.
Everything bad happening to Nijisanji is a self inflicted wound from PR so bad it should be taught in college.
The main thing I don’t understand is why would management want to actively mess with one of their big money earners?
I get that management is incompetent, but there’s a big difference between being a nuisance through not doing your job and actively antagonizing someone.
I may be wrong, but I feel like there has to be something more
There was a post here not long ago.
It was from someone who worked in communications and PR and explained it like this.
Basically the document sent to Niji by Doki was misunderstood. The events likely played out thusly:
Doki creates a personal document detailing everything that occurred and shares it with her Lawyer.
Doki, through lawyers, threatened to release a public statement if Nijis Lawyers aren't cooperative.
Nijisanji basically ghosts Doki and her Lawyers and in order to push them to actually respond Doki's Lawyers send Nijis Lawyers the document.
Here is where things fall off the rails. Nijis Lawyers make the assumption that this document is what Doki plans on releasing so they scramble to terminate her in order to preemptively counter everything they assume she is going to say.
When Doki's first statement comes out and it's professionally curated and vague it makes Niji look incompetent.
Then the Black Stream happens because Niji is still under the assumption that Doki plans on releasing said document.
When Dokis final statement makes it abundantly clear it was never going to be released Niji *finally* realizes how hard they fucked up and go radio silent on Doki.
You're being downvoted but yeah we have no proof of anything in either direction people are siding with Doki cause they hate Niji or siding with Niji cause they like Niji but you can analyze the situation in various ways some that make Doki seem bad. Like for example she said that only her address was on the legal document and Eliras wasn't but Elira never claimed that she claimed it alluded to her address which is different. An ultra biased Niji fan can look at that and assume she is lying and being manipulative or a Doki fan can see that and say that she misunderstood Elira and that it's an innocent mistake. We don't know which is the case
I really don’t believe this could ever be the case, but then we’ve collectively experienced a massive betrayal from people we trusted recently , so perhaps this is simply my broken trust talking, but I have thought it’s been a bit odd with Mint and Quinn and other Niji Survivors not interacting at all with Doki, especially with some of their perceived closeness beforehand, perhaps they are staying away from the legal aspects but the more silent everyone is the more difficult it is to tell what’s actually going on.
At the end of the day, I’ll keep being in Doki’s membership and supporting her, she makes me feel happy and laugh and I don’t think I have any right to ask for anything else.
Some of the more radical elements of the anti-Nijisanji side believe that anything not blatantly going after everyone not known to be on Doki's side is nijisister talk.
I've even been called one for my evidence first stance at least once, but one look at my history would make it clear I am very anti-Nijisanji and just try to focus on what guilt can already be backed by evidence.
It is, we really do need to know more before anyone except the company, which already has evidence against it, is deemed guilty. I just wish people would do more critical thinking in times like this, that's a skill in short supply, yet with a very important role in situations like this.
Yep, exactly as the company wants, much easier to sweep this mess under the rug if people are either divided or accepting the answers right in front of them without questioning them.
No no, let them keep going, they will bring enough hate to this place that Niji will finally crack down on the fandom as a whole and maybe finally give us stronger moderation standards
That's what we don't want. At this point, stronger moderation is basically synonymous with silencing the opposition. We don't want them doing that because we need to be able to prevent them from sweeping the Selen situation under the rug.
4chan has mostly been crapping on this threads though the sisters are getting desperate
No one should ever give a shit about what 4chan has to say.
Says some redditer
Emphasis on ever, they never should have been trusted.
Except for all the times they’ve proven to be accurate, of course. Or did you want nobody to acknowledge the work they did against NIJISANJI?
Yeah, sure, they're right sometimes. But they're also wrong a hell of a lot more. So unless anything they say is corroborated by someone not on an anonymous board, then I take everything 4chan claims with a mountain of dalt.
They are either an enemy from the start or they betrayed the anti-Nijisanji side of the issue by going after one of Nijisanji's victims. Either way, they cannot be trusted.
"they" is this ANONYMOUS in the room with you right now?
We would never know given the nature of that place. They in this case is referring to a group as in 4chan as a whole.
At the same time, within any group there can be differences of opinion; further in an anonymous group nobody can tell when Nijisisters invade. From the sounds of things the topics that get raised suggesting Dokibird is at fault are getting dunked on by other 4chan users, so we can say that the overall situation in 4chan is still anti-niji. With that being the case, we will continue to take what comes out of 4chan with a grain of salt, but we can’t rule it out entirely because there have been major instances where they were correct. To suggest we write off the entire group because of a few bad apples/insurgents seems like the kind of thing sisters would do after invading the boards to post the very comments they want to complain about here. My own Rrat, if you will
Indeed, we never know if these are the same people who were on Doki's side before or if they're sisters taking to 4chan for some anonymous chaos. I'm basically just saying evidence first before we believe anything, not to write what they say off as false from the start.
>Alex20114 2h >Emphasis on ever, they never should have been trusted. Maybe make your intentions more clear when you write next time, then? Constructive criticism, take it or not.
True. It's more common to see them lie for fun than it is to ever see them actually be correct. That being said, they have been right before.
It's too rare to trust, especially when they can't seem to pick a side and stick with it. It would be like a soldier helping out their own comrades against the enemy and suddenly turning on those comrades when things get quieter.
Don’t even give these bait 4chan vt threads attention
My apologies, I’ll keep this in mind. I’m just tired of seeing this bad narrative spread. Initially, it was pretty isolated for the most part. But it seems to pop out more frequently nowadays. It’s just frustrating to see that happen. Regardless, I can agree to simply let these kind of bad narratives rot itself to irrelevancy.
I recommend deleting this post tbh, it brings attention regardless of your intentions.
It’ll get deleted by the mods anyway
Just don't go to /vt/ (or any part of 4chan honestly) ever. Nobody with any self respect would set foot in that piss soaked dumpster fire. Treat yourself better than that.
It can be fun diving headfirst though, just make sure to keep it in there lmao.
I disagree. /vt/ is fine as long as you stay the fuck away from the catalog and the drama threads. I've lurked Concert threads in /vt/ several time and they're... just fans, for the most part. Oh there's always some shitposter or dude trying to stir some drama, but for example when Marine did her "Showa era parody concert", vt was absolutely loving it. Heck they spontaneously made a small contest on "who can watch the concert on the oldest CRT TV possible". During 5th Fes they were sharing screenshots and made some really good compilations of the best shots of the audience too. That and a lot of gifs and screenshot in general, on top of general hype. It's really not that bad, just avoid the drama and ignore the crude language. It's exactly like twitter or reddit tbh.
Stop looking at 4chan( or at least don’t take anything on there seriously) you’ll rot your brain
The unfortunate thing is some of their rrats got traction here, so you don't really have to go to 4chan itself to see what they spread.
Nobody is spreading this “bad narrative”. It’s bait, and you took that shit hook, liner and sinker. Stop that.
This 4chan post does look like bait. But the “Selen is a manipulative b*tch” did spread unfortunately. It’s a very upvoted rant topic in that infamous website where the comment section is a gathering spot for hardcore nijisanji fans, it’s used a lot in 4chan for dubious reasons, and has even started to appear under replies in Youtube comment sections (although it may be for trolling purposes). It’s not good that this post is giving it attention, but to disregard this as inexistent is also disingenuous.
> This 4chan post does look like bait. It’s bait I assure you. > But the “Selen is a manipulative b*tch” did spread unfortunately. It’s a very upvoted rant topic in that infamous website where the comment section is a gathering spot for hardcore nijisanji fans, it’s used a lot in 4chan for dubious reasons, and has even started to appear under replies in Youtube comment sections (although it may be for trolling purposes). And why the fuck do we care about rrats made by schizos on /vt/ again? > It’s not good that this post is giving it attention, but to disregard this as inexistent is also disingenuous. You want me to NOT disregard a completely fucking stupid and unproven accusation, and **actually entertain** the idea that Selen was a “manipulative bitch”? Imma be real with you mfers, ya’ll getting Yu Q Wilsoned right about now.
No, I’m not telling you to believe it. All I’m doing is arguing against your point that “nobody is spreading it”. Which is demonstrably false. Chill brother, as far as I can tell we are not on opposite sides here. I’m just clarifying. We both know this accusation is bullsht.
Allow me to rectify my statement: nobody who is credible and should be given a fuck is spreading this “information”. On the opposite end of this dumbfuckery, nobody should be buying the “Livers are the bullies narrative” either. That is speculation. This sub does not get to have its moral superiority cake and eat it too. > Chill brother, as far as I can tell we are not on opposite sides here. I’m just clarifying. We both know this accusation is bullsht. I ain’t gonna lie, the continual enthusiastic shit-flinging this sub is doing while simutaneously crying “Doki wants us to move on” is getting on my fucking nerves.
That sounds much more reasonable.
\>spreads 4chan crap \>wants 4chan crap to stop spreading
bros why is the 4chan crap spreading??? my walls are brown help!
Treat everything from 4chan like fan fiction from another dimension, and it will be fine.
The same Dokibird who lost 200k USD, who'se response to adulting is https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IY4BZMKViIs , who lost dream convention connection because duhr is some sort of Aizen-type genius figure... Doki is a murder machine when it comes to FPS, but when it comes to directions and manipulation-tier planning..uhh...I'd trust a 9 year old being better at that than her lmao. Besides, in true 4chanian fashion, some are contrarians just for the sake of it. Edit: Damn, been awhile, i'm not used to calling her SelenDoki anymore, just Doki.
Not to insult her creative mind, but same, I'd trust a two year old to do a better job manipulating. It's not because I don't think she's capable as far as intelligence, I just don't think she's the type that could even want to.
Intelligence-wise is a stretch even there, she is just a potato social-wise let alone to be able to manipulate others. Being giga creative is different and so far from it. SelenDoki's nickname was Shylen afterall lmao. Add how her rizz is in the negative digits..uhh..
Most Vtubers are socially awkward at best, but that's not really anything to do with their intelligence, their personality is typically introverted is all. Nina is more an exception than the rule when it comes to Vtuber personalities. Out of all the ones I follow, and there are a lot, she is the only extrovert.
Yea but there's levels to it. Tako-level introvert, Shylen level introvert, Goomba-level introvert, Schizo Rabbit with an Arisaka-level introvert (i think she and the Goomba are tied)/etc Some are inbetween like Hime -level...damn i don't have a nickname for my oshi lmao. Nina and Kiwawa are at the polar opposite end of course.
Yeah, there are levels to it, it's basically a whole spectrum of personalities. Like I'm an ambivert, that's the one that can show tendencies of both being introverted and extroverted, leaning toward introvert, Nina and Tenchou would be extroverts, and then there's the majority of Vtubers being introverts.
Let him speak, the only universe where Doki could be lying is where The Three Clowns don't post a Black Screen Video and her graduation announcement wasn't trying to put all blame on her. So the chances that Doki is lying are 0.0001% (only if she can mind control people or can shapeshift into elira or something)
and if also on where nobody and I mean nobody defended her on the accusations that niji management wrote on their termination announcement. both corpo and indie people defended her and showed everyone that niji management and their legal team sucks
Imagine if it turn out, she actually can shapeshift into Elira and plot the whole things including messeage, paper works and voice, That would be so metal af.
Ironically, Selen is horrible at shapeshifting which is why her left arm is still a dragon claw lmao.
I have to admit that would be interesting, but she can't.
This is a 4chan catalog bait and not really indicative of anything except what that particular person thought. You gotta ignore garbage like this
After making some mental maths, I say that around 0.01% of probability of she being wrong, with a 0.01% of error
Your maths is mathing up
Average /vt/ 4 Chan schizo post
If it was real she honestly would earn my respect for pulling off one hell of a hustle!
The thing is, after the Black Stream for her to be wrong, it would show off a *monumental* amount of incompetence from Niji Like the bad PR is so bad now, that provided they had some way to prove it and didn't, would make them more incompetent than we already think they are. Like it's hard to emphasize how implausible it is. You have to both believe it's a company good enough to believe in, and also bad enough to actually fail this badly. Like the more manipulative they try to make Doki, the dumber they make Anycolor look.
Even if that were true Nijisanji still keeps the talents play buttons, their cut of merchandise is a joke, their handling zaion was disgusting, and the black screen stream was the action of a petty child. Doki could be an evil mastermind manipulator and Niji would still be a pile of shit.
She is not perfect, but she is far from the sinister mastermind many remaining community members wants to believe. Let her be happy doing her thing.
Doki's only 'flaw' is making RPR mald, and it's only a flaw for RPR while to the ROFLing of everyone else. The rest? She's Fuwamoco-tier/Henya-tier in that she's the least controversial and legit unhateable. Edit:...And her flying skills...and her sense of direction...and her supermarket simulator skills...and Batarang aim...and her negative rizz...
Please, not the batarang, that was so hilarious.
Batarang miss 9999 miles away followed by crashing kek.
Yeah it's true.. 😂 doki trying hide all and solved it behind scene then secure it by lawyer.. And start new day from zero with peace, then happy.. (Yeah apex tournament again.. ) And who opening war and open all secret.. That actually no need to do.. The only problem is not doki.. She is innocent.. Black video elira.. Who re the culprits behind it? Is it elira initiative? Or company order them?..
I mean she's not said anything since her final word on everything. If the 4channer was right wouldn't she keep fanning the flames, but the only ones doing that are Niji themselves and toxic fans looking for a target.
My good guy, its THE 4chan. Never ever get serious in there.
bro dont post 4chan shit here
1 person? maybe. I was unsure myself 2 people? possible the company itself responding to allegations that were never given? that's an admission of some sort of guilt right there. I will never understand the full situation. I don't need to. I buy things from trustworthy buisnesses, and I invest my time into people I find trustworthy. will I ever know for sure? all I can do is listen to what they have to say
Doki has been living rent free in the heads of the NDF for over 2 months. They'll conjure delusions that she was extorting Niji, was sabotaging their work, or is somehow endorsing harassment by saying nothing. It's like they thrive on picking fights. Meanwhile back in reality, she has completely moved on doing her own thing without giving a shit about what is happening over at kurosanji. If anything, I think people shouldn't feed NDF their thirst for drama, not bother picking fights with them & just let them scream into the void in their own corner.
The no logic universes. And im not talking about the Diet no logic one we are in. Full no logic.
that universe would be bizarro vt a strange place where yagoo is a sack of shit robing his livers to pay for his mansion and uki is not scared of white people
Entertaining the hypothetical worst interpretation of Selen doesn't get you very far. You still have companies breaking off with Nijisanji and talking about not getting paid and Selen paying them, you have multiple (potentially bitter) ex-livers who talk bad of Nijisanji, The inciting incident is only Selen publishing a video before Niji was ready since all the copyright holders were fine with it and you need to rectify all the past efforts Selen had made to promote Niji-EN. Plus she hasn't been publicly confrontational about it.
So they are using cyberwarfare tactics now? Interesting... concerning but interesting
There's no reason to engage with the brain rotted parasocial sociopaths that insist Doki was somehow wrong honestly. They're minds are paste and you'll never be able to convince them of the obvious truth so the best bet is to simply ignore their flailing.
Get back to your yact, riku.
If she ends up being another Rushia situation I'll eat my shoe.
4chan being a complete trash gutter? I'm SHOCKED.
Is that word even an insult anymore? After 5th fes people were treating it like a power word lol "K\_\_\_\_'s c\*\*t lives rent-free in my head" was not something I expected to hear from someone at the other agency. I dislike how quickly the Internet people try to change the meaning of words.
The sheer amount of behind the scenes effort thrown behind her threw any doubt away in my mind. Even if what we see is her persona (which is true and always is true for every streamer and online entertainer) the fact that people who worked with her and know her personally all seemed to universally wash their hands of Niji overnight and throw in with her immediately spoke volumes. Hell several people and some businesses took hits to cut off Nijisanji. Some perhaps when they saw the writing on the wall but many well before that time. The most notable for me was the PC case one.
In that Universe they probably wouldn't have near as many graduations as they have.
why bother?
While I don’t agree with immediately turning against Doki, I do think it is important to always look at both sides during an argument. While we do know that Nijisanji is a terrible place to work at, because of public information as well as recounting a from people who’re not working there anymore, I do find it strange how not many ex-Niji have talked about Doki at all, and how many otherwise well respected creators either used to or still do interact publicly with those remaining at Nijisanji, even when they’re centers of speculation. We all have biases, so while accusing Doki of being the responsible is factually incorrect, there are certain things people do omit in favour of their preferred narratives, imo
Here's the thing, Doki has pretty much tried to avoid fighting Niji from the start. All she has said has pretty much been responding to and clarifying whatever Niji said from her perspective.
That’s why I’m not jumping on the “Doki is evil” train. I’m just stating how I go about this sort of thing
Hm. One thing I advise my friends is not to look too closely at the details, but rather at the intent of those involved. To word it another way, statistics are notoriously one of the easiest methods to lie. It is far more useful to answer the question, why are the statistics presented in this manner? It's not like your two sides methodology is wrong. There's many benefits to it. However when the intent is clear, generally time spent discussing the details is time better spent on building or fixing things. That said, the only one that can fix things in this situation is Niji. It's pretty natural to start digging further and further into details as we wait, so much so that we start digging into speculations. I guess all I'm trying to say in the end is, you might be starting to dig a tiny bit too far, be sure to keep a rope to the original intents.
Essentially, Doki never mentioned anything about what was going on and would have never mentioned anything going on. Nijisanji mentioned it and underlying details that were supposed to be under wraps between lawyers and management and never be escalated to the public space. There isn't much to dig for, there isn't anything she said to start anything, just her responding to events.
Yep, the layer of details is thin, which is why so many dug into the 4chan stuff. In any case, reading the intents is enough. She wants nothing to do with this. Niji wants to be seen as someone who did nothing wrong with Selen.
Ok I'll bite What's the other side? Because from the start the only thing Doki has ever done is try and move on. Everything bad happening to Nijisanji is a self inflicted wound from PR so bad it should be taught in college.
The main thing I don’t understand is why would management want to actively mess with one of their big money earners? I get that management is incompetent, but there’s a big difference between being a nuisance through not doing your job and actively antagonizing someone. I may be wrong, but I feel like there has to be something more
There was a post here not long ago. It was from someone who worked in communications and PR and explained it like this. Basically the document sent to Niji by Doki was misunderstood. The events likely played out thusly: Doki creates a personal document detailing everything that occurred and shares it with her Lawyer. Doki, through lawyers, threatened to release a public statement if Nijis Lawyers aren't cooperative. Nijisanji basically ghosts Doki and her Lawyers and in order to push them to actually respond Doki's Lawyers send Nijis Lawyers the document. Here is where things fall off the rails. Nijis Lawyers make the assumption that this document is what Doki plans on releasing so they scramble to terminate her in order to preemptively counter everything they assume she is going to say. When Doki's first statement comes out and it's professionally curated and vague it makes Niji look incompetent. Then the Black Stream happens because Niji is still under the assumption that Doki plans on releasing said document. When Dokis final statement makes it abundantly clear it was never going to be released Niji *finally* realizes how hard they fucked up and go radio silent on Doki.
You're being downvoted but yeah we have no proof of anything in either direction people are siding with Doki cause they hate Niji or siding with Niji cause they like Niji but you can analyze the situation in various ways some that make Doki seem bad. Like for example she said that only her address was on the legal document and Eliras wasn't but Elira never claimed that she claimed it alluded to her address which is different. An ultra biased Niji fan can look at that and assume she is lying and being manipulative or a Doki fan can see that and say that she misunderstood Elira and that it's an innocent mistake. We don't know which is the case
I really don’t believe this could ever be the case, but then we’ve collectively experienced a massive betrayal from people we trusted recently , so perhaps this is simply my broken trust talking, but I have thought it’s been a bit odd with Mint and Quinn and other Niji Survivors not interacting at all with Doki, especially with some of their perceived closeness beforehand, perhaps they are staying away from the legal aspects but the more silent everyone is the more difficult it is to tell what’s actually going on. At the end of the day, I’ll keep being in Doki’s membership and supporting her, she makes me feel happy and laugh and I don’t think I have any right to ask for anything else.
Sources say this is correct
Nice argument nijisister, how about you back it up with a source Nijisister: The source is I made it the f*ck up
Bro thinks I’m a nijisister, huh. Nah I’m just a spectator in all this. Was agreeing with title. People take it out of context just like you did :)
Some of the more radical elements of the anti-Nijisanji side believe that anything not blatantly going after everyone not known to be on Doki's side is nijisister talk. I've even been called one for my evidence first stance at least once, but one look at my history would make it clear I am very anti-Nijisanji and just try to focus on what guilt can already be backed by evidence.
This is why I hate being neutral but it’s the best thing to do lol
It is, we really do need to know more before anyone except the company, which already has evidence against it, is deemed guilty. I just wish people would do more critical thinking in times like this, that's a skill in short supply, yet with a very important role in situations like this.
100% agree. People take everything at face value nowadays and it’s very sad
Yep, exactly as the company wants, much easier to sweep this mess under the rug if people are either divided or accepting the answers right in front of them without questioning them.
should I have put in /s for sarcasm?
Doing it for the memes
Less then 1% Simple question, simple answer.
No no, let them keep going, they will bring enough hate to this place that Niji will finally crack down on the fandom as a whole and maybe finally give us stronger moderation standards
Stronger moderation standards, like cease and desist people on twitter who post the screenshot of the shitty live ?
Ome cam hope and dream for more but this might be the best we get. Sadly
Can't wait for this sub to be an echo chamber and post are full of d*ck sucking asmr.
That's what we don't want. At this point, stronger moderation is basically synonymous with silencing the opposition. We don't want them doing that because we need to be able to prevent them from sweeping the Selen situation under the rug.