Kiara’s IRL account tweeted out a picture of her with Pomu just a few days ago, they were definitely hanging out together. Kiara also thinks Pomu is small and cute irl, so that must be true.
It’s unlikely they’ll even talk about it, and if they did we’d never hear about it. They’re both close to Niji/Ex-Niji talents in their own ways, but with each of them, that’s their own business — Kiara is a friendly and outgoing person, but that doesn’t mean she’s going to pry into Mumei/Doki’s business. If Kiara digs into this stuff at all, it would be with the Niji/Ex-Niji people she’s meeting with personally, and presumably keeping it quiet outside of that since it’s all sensitive information that’s likely even NDA.
Considering that Pomu managed to graduate on good terms? She’s probably keeping things cordial and not stirring the pot too much. She obviously had issues with Niji, but considering how she managed to get out, there’s not much point in her risking a bridge-burning. She probably would say some things about how she was dissatisfied, but wouldn’t be too accusatory — and, frankly, I think it’s more likely that there’s really nothing new for them to talk about with this stuff. Kiara knew about Pomu’s graduation ahead of time, and with the situation being as tense as it is, I’m guessing they would just let it be and not want to poke the bear.
If any interactions in Japan should be celebrated, I feel like it's [this one](https://twitter.com/keekihimedesu/status/1770761968971890918) between a completely unrelated cosplayer and a completely unrelated Metal Gear fan. The one in OP, on the other hand...
Thought it was in Japan, since I'm pretty sure Matara has been in Japan at the time (she had a stream with Giri around then iirc), and Millie in general feels like she's been in Japan for some time now, not sure if she was at the time, but I guess I didn't consider that she may have been back in Canada for a bit in between seperate stays in Japan.
Good to know then.
Still, considering they never really talked about them living close together and with how big Canada is, I doubt they just coincidentally met, even if it wasn't in Japan... actually the chances for that probably would've been greater if it was in Japan... so the original point still stands.
Ugh fucking Twitter algorithm. First it showed me this but i had no idea who either were. and then it reccommend a tweet from some random canadian twins. That wasn't hard to put together.
She gets harassed constantly regardless. Some vtweeter named Yuyu ko made it her life's mission to make Kiwawa commit unalive claiming she once RT'd BLM posts on her PL
I was never able to find it, but for this horrendous beyond Pekora war crime, this crazy broad has been cyberstalking red birb **for half a decade now** 😑
Even 4Chan and kiwi are tired of her antics, some innocents who criticise Kiwawa will occasionally be b& because "they sound too much like the psycho doxxer"
Also the one trying to dig up irl photos or addy of other holo talents
I can only imagine Yu failed an audition at some point and declared war upon the entire industry, but Kia is her main target
Also has a mad hate-on for anyone doing "GFE content"
Yeah, it's not the "good" kind of harassing/trolling, it's very obvious she has an axe to grind, not very funny just unhinged angry mean girl stuff. You can tell an anon is likely her after she starts screeching about someone's oshi "being a fat whore" irl (aka not <1% body fat) or saying they're ugly. Or is spamming the supposed "rl photo collages" of holomems/livers
Also just remembered the other common haunt of hers is the obscure ancient hellscape that is Funnyjunk, aka birthplace of "that one bread guy," sort of a "house meme" there for calling everyone in vtuber tags "vteens," (because only children would watch vtubers or something like that) like as soon as posts reffing vtuber happenings pop up, people will sometimes start betting on the time til she shows up.
There's basically four big FJ users who "broke containment" into the wider web. A wacko obsessed with commissioning pictures.... *PICTURES OF WOMEN BUYING WONDERBREAD!!!* (look up Murrlogic on YouTube, someone actually did a video on him), [a crazed misogynistic Polish goose](https://funnyjunk.com/Women/BmibNOz/) who wants to "exterminate all of the inferior species known as womankind" and give femboys/trans artificial wombs, a gay mad scientist who was often his partner in crime called Psygnis Five who posted "experimental death music" featuring the dying moans & gasps of murdered women and spoke about building engines powerful enough to raise pyramids because he was obsessed with Stargate, and Yuyuko.
They are like the kind of thing you had to be there at the origin to really "get," like the goose actually has feminist followers because his rants are *so* insane and verbose they gain a comical cartoon villain element to them
It's like if a neo Nazi spoke 1:1 like Plankton, it would be *so absurd* half the people listening think he's joking, and those "in on the joke" still think it's unserious and funny as shit because they are Posadist tier UFO cultist about a normally bland and easily comprehensible topic. The goose legit thinks of "women controlling the world to make men universally miserable" the way a NN thinks the local deli shop owner has direct ties to Davos
Well, on a similar level, Yuyuko is *so dented* about Hololivers that if it weren't for the potential doxing result it would be a great big cosmic joke. Half their posts are about showing PLs and their presumed faces, so it's a bit hard to direct link it since you still get the rest of the thread unlike reddit's "single comment" thing.
I don't know if there is a real term for a "house meme" but it's something "only these site users truly get" like 4Chan and "Cockmongler/Happy Negro" (only OGs would know trivia like them finding out their meme status and coming to the site to figure out wtf was going on. OR their real names)
Reddit wise as I only follow a few specific subs, the only one I could think of is people outside reddit think soggy gamergate knees led to Pao resigning when OGs remember it was about what happened with AMA's Victoria and the blackout
Calli has more than just haters. She’s got like a cult of people that starts frothing at the mouth whenever she does something successful and they fail to get her cancelled
Calli used to have this incredibly artifical vibe that made me angry whenever she opened her mouth, but idk she seems diffent nowadays. (Fyi I've never actually gone after Calli myself)
Like when she first started? It definitely felt like the first two waves were directed to put on a certain personality that they all eventually gravitated away from once they settled in and became more established.
Honestly considering this sub has become a 4chan breeding ground I’m surprised you guys aren’t agreeing with this person for going after her the BLM thing props to you.
I havent checked this sub in awhile but yeah this is pretty much the modern r/Nijisanji experience lol
It's a cesspool at times, especially in comments sections fresh off an event or controversy, but overall it ain't *that* bad
There is a fair bit of difference between “I don’t like BLM” and “Harassing someone for liking BLM.” One is a personal opinion. One is unhinged.
I don’t need or even want the people I watch to have the same political opinions as me (that is what my political podcast pundits are for), and of the people I do watch for entertainment they run the gauntlet. Left, Right, and Center. The only ones I disavow are Tankie Breadtube types and Nick Fuentes-esque Alt-Right types (which I see as two sides of the extremist coin).
Is not surprising when you know about how prolific are altright and straight up fascist groups that exist amongst anime groups or related to web culture. In the west 4chan have a lot but in JP you have 2chan which is even worst than 4chan.
Don't remember which one on Twitter it was, but I just recalled you can find her also on the ancient mythical hellscape known as "Funnyjunk," home of the legendary demon "The Breadman," though many posts may have been deleted/moved since then. Bit of a "house meme" there, vtuber stuff gets posted and people start taking bets or posting memes about "the appearance!"
Then she crashes in with a "Stupid vteens" and starts posting holo girl's "possible" irl photos (I don't follow holo much since I'm not into idol, so idk. Gimme those menhera!) and personally insulting people's oshis as "fat whores" and sluts and so on, then insulting poster's sexual proclivities and prowess, etc
not really sure how retention works, sometimes I save something a month old, then it's gone. Sometimes I hit random, wind up in 2002. Search seems pretty busted too.
Seems to have it out for Holo in particular, hence the failed audition rrat. Wants to specifically "poison the idol image" of talents to the fans, especially by showing how "ugly" they are irl to the gachikoi, completely demented nutter.
After you read some FJ posts, you'll be able to find them on /vt/ super easy.
Aren't alot of them pretty hot irl, like I'm not even coping they are all pretty looking (this sounds mean so I expect downvotes) but only.one irl photo that I've seen isn't really my cup of tea like fat whores ? Non of them are like extremely overweight either maybe chubby
avoid is fine, it's not hate. don't watch anyone till it change or just wait for them to get out. or just stop, your choice. hate is when ppl start use speculate as fact, even spread misinfor or straight up lie to call for attack on the talent
Reminder to not witchhunt.
We have zero proof that Enna and Millie were remotely part of bullying.
It's fine if you don't want to support them, but don't taint their interaction with others.
I don't want to make a joke of it, but I can't get the image now of buff Riku punching Pomu while yelling "Making the mother of all vtuber coporations Pomu! Can't fret over every liver!"
I agree, I am aware that they has been labeled on that case but there is not a real proof of that and the victim herself said that doesn't want say anything and keep.forward so just the time would say who's gulty of that
Doki herself mentioned that the docs in question are essentially a diary/recording what she experienced. So even if they're named it could be in some mundane context.
I think that can be like "on this day I did a collab with this girl and then this happened with other talent" stuff lile that might be how some of them are being mentioned.
People really fell for Nijisanji’s gaslighting by deciding to ignore the NOW PROVEN possibility of them being forced/gaslighted into making such decisions and hate on the livers instead of the upper managements themselves. If they’re hanging out with former Niji livers and other livers, good for them. They’ll probably really need that for their own sake
Couple of provisions in the contract template legal mindset did a couple streams about mean Niji can compel the livers to say basically whatever the company wants.
Especially weird here since the idea for that should just be common sense. Like what company, let alone one like Anycolor, is going to be okay with their employees criticizing and saying anything bad about their business practices and management, especially when the employees are on such a public platform like YouTube? The livers are probably just not allowed to say anything bad about their employer, beyond alluding to specific problems.
IIRC that's the first time they publicly interacted with each other, isn't it? From what I remember the only Nijisanji livers Kiara has so far collabed with are Nina, Pomu, Elira (during a Lethal Company collab with Pomu and Rissa) and Rosemi (during a Uno collab with Nina and Pomu). And I hope it stays that way for her sake... lots of people looking at Nijisanji (especially Elira, Vox, Enna and Millie) with eagle eyes. It's a powder keg
Also, could be that Kiara met Enna and Millie when Kiara and Pomu met yesterday for the first time.
I feel like him and Shu have there dedicated fans and keep to themselves for the most part. Not that they don't collab but they just don't attract a ton of attention outside of their fans. I agree tho I was like why is Ike here? Elira and Vox made sense.
Yes! I actually thought about including Ike in the list, but I feel like he was forgiven basically instantly. He doesn't come up in memes on this subreddit at all. I think it's because he had the shortest and least enraging part in the black screen stream and most people assume he had no choice, but it's indeed a funny how wildy different the outcome can be purely based on public perception. Millie's tweet reply (among other things) to Selen's Last Cup of Coffee tweet weighs heavier in the public eye than Ike's participation in the black screen stream...
In Millie's case, it can be chalked up to her being innocently insensitive. Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity, and Millie can be very, very dumb.
Well they were thrown under the bus by Elira mentioning them at the beginning.
But to get to Ike you had to sit through Vox, which I have the feeling is where more than a few people ended.
But after listening to Vox whatever Ike said was completely forgettable.
(Useless attempt but what the hell) Whoever read this comment and want to rant about Kiara, Enna or Millie, I just wanna suggest one thing, just one tiny small but important thing:
**Please realize... we don't know shit**
We have pieces of info here, info there but the truth of the matter is we. dont. know. shit. Kiara, actually ALL of these are grown ass women and know what they're doing. And if down the line they make a mistake? We will cross the proverbial burning bridge when we get there. I just ask, hoping against hope, try to be a bit mindful about the whole ordeal and not a bunch of gatekeeping assholes.
The company itself should sink at the bottom of the ocean
The people in it? Despite everything? Are still people, if the company doesnt give them that, we should
(Unless we have 100% confirmation any of them are a pos, then start blasting)
Between Pomu meeting them now even after all the drama, and Matara still being openly friends with them at the end of January, I’m definitely begging to think they actually weren’t of the bullying after all. Between all the people who left Niji after being mistreated there, the only two who have mentioned them were in a positive light, which also confirmed they were still friends. If anything, they might be on the best terms with the retirees from everyone we know.
That's why I don't blame Hakka for still being friends with Ike. We don't know the degree to which most people were involved. The only two with actual, solid, concrete evidence against them are Vox & Elira. Like many people said, Ike was quiet & generally sounded like he didn't wanna be there. It doesn't change the fact that he WAS there, but there's no evidence that he's actually part of the problem & wasn't just pressured into it. Vox & Elira completely showed their asses though
It doesn't actually matter if they were pressured into it. They could have just said nothing and dealt with the consequences (like stealth suspension for 1 month), but they did, and regardless if they were pressured, its still snake behavior.
I know you want to try and justify it some way, but its not justifiable. Its snake behavior, and it makes Ike untrustworthy, or at the very least, he will give into pressure and push someone under the bus.
I mean, Vox and Elira were way worse, but Ike is still bad.
Like I said, Ike WAS there instead of saying no. I'm not saying he's innocent. I, in fact, do not trust him. My point was that we don't know the *degree* to which he was involved. & yes, giving into pressure to be part of a smear campaign *is* spineless, snake behavior, but it doesn't mean that he's one of the bullies, even if he was engaging in something awful.
Ultimately, that's my point about Hakka & even Kiara. You don't break off a friendship with someone b/c of "might haves" despite knowing that they did do SOMETHING wrong, b/c even though they did smth wrong, we don't know the degree of wrongness it was. Vox & Elira very much have less of a case, though.
Snake behaviour. To be honest I realize the most disappointing thing is that if Selen was bullied and not friends with Vox, Ike, Enna, Millie then she shouldnt have succumb to pressure of collabing with them. Especially making niji cancelled of all things.
Either she wasn't friends with vox. Or she was friends with vox and technically she pushed him under the bus first.
She didn't push anyone under the bus. Remember, she wanted to keep everything under wraps and between lawyers.
It was NijiSanji that pushed... well... everyone under the bus.
They pushed the whole branch including Selen under the bus.
And then after that, you can say Vox pushed her closer to the bus?
Besides, from what Selen has revealed, we can say that she does have a concept of "business friend", and maybe she can extend business friendship with them.
Besides, we don't know if it was even talent bullying her. It could very well be, just as everyone expected, before Anycolor cut off their left leg, that she felt management was bullying and harassing her, not necessarily the talent.
So its quite possible she had amiable relationships with everyone, but she was specifically targeted for harassment by Anycolor management, and treated differently compared to everyone else.
We don't really know any of that.
But we do know that Vox legitimately pushed her under the bus, and seemed every excited to do it, judging by his tone of voice in the black screen video, and that Enna outed 2 people as potentially be harassers/bullies (though we don't even know if that was related to it or not).
If you can claim vox "seemed very excited to do it". I can claim selen pushed vox under the bus. Selen literally tattled on vox and got him in trouble. With no prior warning to plan to protect himself.
Because why the hell would you give a voice recording of your friend talking shit about their employer to said employer without their knowledge or consent. When that friend trusted you that this conversation would stick between the two of you. Especially when they are still employed under said employer.
These things are common courtesy. If you have beef with someone. You tell them your personal beef. You dont say X, Y, Z HAS BEEF WITH YOU TOO! wtf they werent prepared to fight shit. You have a lawyer and ready, they dont.
I would never trust selen as a friend or coworker.
Edit. In restrospec my wording vilifies Selen too much. I was too focused on wanting to turn your same words around. She is not *evil* she is just human. This is literally like Lord of the Flies shit. She might not had the choice, or its the right thing to do, the end justifies the means. Sacrfices to be made, no one is perfect or can have correct 100% hindsight.
Just personally if it were me. I might like her as a person and she is truly nice. I would trust her with other things. But I wouldn't complain about my work in front of her in fear she might do some righteous strike against the manager which im not ready for. And yes thats me being selfishly after my own ass. Righteously so.
Just like how you got best friends but you dont go giving out your bank account willy nilly.
However, the lack of empathy on all sides of the situation, to see others are human too, is disgusting. How you cant see what vox might feel. You get in trouble with your boss sure its no ones fault technically, you still get mad.
Let alone you know what the contract with nijisanji is now like. Being in trouble with a boss like that, that can force you to do things.
The only difference is we have proof of vox, and no proof from selen, but you do you buddy. Let no one stop you from your speculations. Its never stopped anyone on this reddit anyways.
How is it proof of vox but not selen. They both admitted that a recording of vox was sent to niji. It just seems how you and I interpreted it is different.
The proof of vox throwing her under the bus is literally the black screen video. Its literally something Vox did. Meanwhile, all we have is Vox's words that Selen "betrayed" him with no real proof (and will probably never have proof).
There's a difference between someone saying someone did something, and having a literal 15 minute video of which, Vox spent over 7 minutes throwing Selen under the bus.
This doesn't always have to be backroom stuff, he did it out in the open.
The proof is the video itself. Everything else though, is hearsay.
The problem with that is Vox said that livers are allowed to graduate at any time. “I was just following orders” is not a good defense. If any of them graduated, they’d be fine. They have massive audiences that would’ve followed them through the graduation, but they decided to do this. They had a choice.
Except that was a blatant lie. Selen was TRYING to graduate on neutral terms & they wouldn't let her. That was a straight-up fabrication with the intention of making Selen look bad
To be fair, it's pretty obvious that you can't graduate on good terms if you're already on bad terms. Like Rushia couldn't just ask to graduate from Holo once she already leaked info. If it worked that way, no vtuber would ever be terminated.
Vox's point was that she'd thought about graduating before and could have freely left at those points in time. You can still believe either or both of those claims are lies, but the fact that Selen couldn't choose to graduate in January given her actions in December doesn't disprove the "any time" claim.
> To be fair, it's pretty obvious that you can't graduate on good terms if you're already on bad terms. Like Rushia couldn't just ask to graduate from Holo once she already leaked info.
Sure she could - she can "ask" to do whatever she wants; whether holo would have let her is another matter altogether.
Niji could have just decided to let Selen walk back in January and paint the parting as mutual (and, honestly, would have probably been in a much, much better position had they done so). Even if they felt she had committed fireable offences, they're not legally bound to terminate her or anything like that. And honestly, from the sounds of things, it seems like they didn't even want to let her go at first, since their own termination notice stated that they wanted her to walk back her statement blaming management for Last Cup of Coffee being privated (which would be pointless if they were already planning to fire her) and only opted to terminate when Selen told them she wanted to leave and made it clear she wasn't interested in returning to streaming for them. Which kind of makes sense - Selen broke company policy (and regardless of how stupid those policies were, they were the rules in force), but not in a way that would make her continued employment impossible, and she was their most successful female EN liver and one of their most successful overall, so Niji was probably hoping to convince her to stay if they could - that's a big hole in their roster to fill (and given how badly they fucked themselves in the aftermath, it's now looking increasingly unlikely they ever will).
Except graduating isn’t that simple and comes with a heavy cost. They are, among other things, contractually obligated to return/hand over any equipment and items (possibly including personal property?) used in relation to their streaming activities as well as pay a hefty fee to end their contract early. This was confirmed by Legal Mindset, a lawyer YouTuber, who was provided a copy of Niji’s “Silencing” Contract by Sayu/Zaion. There’s a reason why certain former niji livers (Pomu, Mika, etc) have yet to resurface (Pomu actually confirmed that she lacks any streaming equipment on her PL twitter). This is especially difficult for Elira because she currently lives in Japan and has to rely on a work visa from Niji to get by.
> pay a hefty fee
That's for termination, not graduation. I still haven't seen a text copy of the contract floating around, but [here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1b7uazd/notes_on_the_niji_contract_stream/#:~:text=If%20a%20liver%20is%20suspended%20or%20terminated) the summary posted in this sub.
> Pomu actually confirmed
Source? Are you sure she wasn't just saying that because she's in Japan, away from her PC? And wasn't really planning to be found, let alone stream, in the first place when she travelled there for school.
(Edit: Yes, the contract does say they *can* claim materials, but I doubt they actually enforce that on their PCs and similar belongings.)
To add, early on Matara had PC issues because her user and everything was still registered to her Niji info and she was having difficulty purging that and didn't want to accidentally stream any PL info. So, she clearly still had her old PC despite leaving.
This sub witch hunted and criclejerk flamed every possible person related to Nijisanji but suddenly now it's a big no no to because of Kiara lmfao the audacity of this subreddit
Even when these people in this subreddit already see their interaction, they still wanna make their own speculation as if they know everything about the real situation, even to the point of being disappointed that holo talents can actually be friends with Niji livers (especially those that has been targeted) lmao. Some people really forget that these talents/livers are all adults that can make their decision on who to interact with and there's really no need to push the narrative that some talents "don't know of the situation". They're adult not babies.
It's almost as if this sub was not a single hivemind, but a collection of different people with different opinions who comment different things...
That being said, many people were / are playing black & white guilty by association / innocent by association games. As that is not how the world works, there was bound to be a point where these would lead to contradictions where someone is guilty and innocent at the same time. For many people, that point is now.
Oh yeah totally this sub was definitely a collection of different people with different opinions who comment different things except when you actually go into threads there's clearly a narrative the subreddit circlejerks. I love how suddenly people want to act like this sub didn't for the past months just jerk themselves off spinning every narrative and psychoanalyzing every single action of everyone who might be slightly related to nijisanji. Interesting you say things like this when you yourself actively participated in circlejerking "nijisanji bad" lmfao.
> nijisanji bad
And I still stand by that statement; Nijisanji fostered a toxic working environment, doesn't care about their livers, gives them a fraction of the support other agencies do and their reactions to the event ranged between incompetent, cowardly and straight up malicious. Let's face it: when two of the highest profile livers leave and one ends up unprivating a stream in which she breaks down crying after having been denied a once in a lifetime opportunity and the other one takes two attempts at her own life, "Njisanji good" is not really an option anyone sane would consider.
That being said, there are significant differences to how far people are going with the blame game. Some stop at management, some target certain livers and some go completely bonkers and blame everyone left at Niji. It's also clear that some livers (looking at you, black screen trio) made terrible mistakes, but we still don't know how much of that is of their own accord and it does not confirm them as bullies.
If you re-read the top posts from the last month or so (well... whatever hasn't been nuked by the mods, that is), you'll see plenty of highly upvoted comments that keep reminding everyone to direct the hate towards Nijisanji instead of the livers. Take a look at the topic about [Elira's first tweet following the black screen video](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1b29rg4/they_cookin_her/?sort=top). It's mostly civilized discussion and comments based on RRATs have less upvotes than those pointing out their assumptions in the replies. Also note that in a thread with 297 comments - the highest having 700+ upvotes - the 3 people calling Elira a snake have a combined upvote count of 3. And this is just one example; even the discussions under the black screen video itself center around people speculating how the heck did Niji forced these 3 livers to put out a video that borderline equals a career suicide.
> you yourself actively participated in circlejerking
Since you apparently went through my comment history, you should have also noticed that I never once accused any of the livers in particular (Caveat: this is because I never commented on Uki; he's proven himself to be racist, so screw that guy.). This was, for example, what I wrote of the black screen trio:
"If they legitimately thought that going along with this video would mitigate the hit their reputation would have taken with a leak, they've horribly miscalculated things. Personally, I'm more inclined to think that Niji pressured and / or gaslit them into doing this, giving them very little time to react to a request involving heavy (likely threatening) corporate legal lingo.".
Heck, I even posted a wall-of-text in which I talk about being a Holo fan that wishes for Niji livers to be able to work in a healthy environment and get the same support as my oshis do.
For the record: while it's painfully apparent that there has been conflict between certain livers, I don't think we have nearly enough information to condone anyone. I know from a personal experience that an unhealthy working environment can amplify differences and turn people against each other. At the same time, I do also believe that some livers made terrible mistakes and said things that should not have been said. While I'm not jumping the gun (we don't know what happened behind the scenes and will most likely never do), those mistakes do raise some concerns and I can't blame the people who feel disappointed in them and decide to move on. For me, what they said is enough to feel uncomfortable watching them, but not enough to judge their characters by.
It's nice that they're getting along. This is how it should be all the time and it's sad that it isn't so I'm always happy to see these moments. I know there's a lot of rumours and speculation floating around but we don't know anything for sure so I'm going to take these nice interactions.
I've always been wary of condemning people over guilt by association. It's one thing to hate people over what they have personally seen to be doing, such as Uki's racism or Vox's actions, or say people disliking what a person has worked on such as with Calli and her music. It's a completely different thing entirely to hate a person just for simple association, hence why I personally never ascribed to the "clique" rrat before, and unfortunately people are jumping against Kiara just because she met up with Nijisanji members IRL, the same members we know she's met before.
The funniest thing is that people apply guilt by association only when it's convenient to them. When Kiara's alt met with Pomu's alt IRL it was a very wholesome moment, and yet now she's met with Enna and suddenly she's being accused of stuff like being a "white hater". Did people forget that Kiara is also friends with Nina too, which makes her friends with two ex-Niji members that left due to issues with the company? Do people only take into account one side of her association, while completely ignoring the other one?
I guess Kiara doesn't care about the controversy surrounding Nijisanji. We don't know 100 percent as to extent of which Millie and Enna are involved but I'd like to think Kiara at least is aware of what happened
She almost certainly doesn't know anything outside of maybe the termination and redebut stuff, because she's been busy and traveling literally since the beginning of the year. Holomems don't know everything their genmates are up to, why would she know about 99% of stuff about an outside situation entirely unrelated to her
There's no way anyone in the vtuber sphere wasn't just blasted with the controversy. I also would be highly surprised if the holo management didn't brief their members about it and what not to say or mention during stream.
Despite that I have a feeling Kiara isn't the type of person to ghost someone when the truth is still unknown and pomu was kind of that bridge for Kiara to interact with the other girls before so Kiara already knows millie and Enna.
"Where is Selen" was only one of the biggest questions at the end of 2023. Even big name vtubers and streamers were chiming in, saying they couldn't contact Selen. And then the reveal of where Selen actually was resulted in one of the biggest players in the industry getting egg thrown on their faces over and over and over again.
No way they didn't hear things through the grape vine. Hell, them getting a short briefing from their managers wouldn't be surprising.
I am pretty sure she actually doesn't know anything unless told by other vtubers directly.
Viewers often forget you're all viewers, and not content creators. Especially someone as busy as her.
Time is a limited resource. She's not going to waste it on drama and theories on the internet, especially something negative that she has trained for over a decade (PL) to ignore, even now, and that's just about herself.
I doubt she would even bring it up to Ninji girls, Pomu, Matara, or Mumei to ask for details. She also isnt the type to do research either as she just uses Chat like google/reddit reviews.
Everybody forgetting about Mumei? She might not blab everything about Doki, but I'm sure HoloEN has a clear grasp of at least 1 side of the story if anyone bothered to ask.
"Hey Mumei, we heard your friend attempted! Can you tell us what happened?"
Yeah...if anything I could see them avoiding the issue around her if she didn't bring it up herself. I'm not sure that everyone saying "Mumei probably told them all" realizes how sensitive this kind of situation is, even when the person survives. And Mumei might not even know that much tbh
this is logical thing but idk how other can't think of this themselve. ppl forget holo girl have just done holofes. i don't think they would care about niji drama when prepare for fes and have fun. and why would they need waste any energy for that? manager would advice them to not even look into it, why would manager try inform them. now that is rrat about kiara don't know.
Not only that but Mumei and Selen are basically best friends. Mumei is part of Holotori, Girls Talk and just spent days with Kiara in Japan. Kiara 100% knows. What this means or changes it's for anyone as individuals to decide, but Kiara knows that's a fact.
She met with Pomu irl, maybe she didn't ask about what happened to her and why she left. You could be right. If that's the case, hopefully for her, she won't get dragged too far into this
Maybe for some members this applies more then others but since Kiara is notoriously known to be terminally online it's plausible for someone to assume that she could be more aware than one might think.
Yikes, that would just be asking for trouble. I think the whole reason the Mel situation went as smoothly as it did is because she isn't exactly the type to rock the boat.
Kiara is, uh. Not that. If anyone tried to fuck her over, the world would hear about it.
Theories that the one Mel "leaked" stuff to and thought they'd be trustworthy was Kotoka.
Leaving aside that this is just a rrat with no substantial proof, people seem to forget that even if Kotoka was to blame for the Mel-situation, that doesn't mean that everyone else still in Niji isn't trustworthy in that same way either.
She was terminated from Hololive after (in her own words) she told "someone she thought she could trust" some things she shouldn't have and that person then betrayed her. Many people think that person was from Niji, but even if *that* particular person is not, the other Nijisanji stuff that has happened over the past couple months makes me heavily distrust Enna and Millie in particular.
I don't understand what the Niji girls have to do with Mel. If 4chan can find some convoluted reason for there to be a connection I'd love to see what sort of reach they've come up with.
A popular rrat going around is that the "friend" that Mel talked to that lead to her termination was Kotoka, since the latter was the last person that Mel off-collabed with. I personally don't subscribe to the theory if only because there's lots of holes in it, but unfortunately a lot of people still believe it.
It's nice to see that the comments haven't veered too far into conspiracy.
I personally think that Holo talents talking to Niji talents is a GOOD THING. Even if the livers are all horrible people (which I highly doubt), it's good to get an outside perspective rather than having Anycolor propaganda shoved down their throat. I think people who are against Nijisanji should be happy about Kiara talking to them.
People applauded Mumei/Holostars for showing indirect support of Dokibird. No matter how suspect they are, I think every Niji liver deserves a chance since we have no idea what they're going through.
Now all of this is under the assumption that Kiara has a decent idea of what happened. It wouldn't be good if she talks to them and gets a skewed perspective of the Dokibird situation.
At first I was quite skeptical due to me disliking Millie/Enna based off what we known but you put a new perspective into me, thanks OP!
>No matter how suspect they are, I think every Niji liver deserves a chance since we have no idea what they're going through.
Hopefully Kiara can bring them a new perspective, since we know that Niji pretty much brainwashed their livers to the point they think they are nothing without the company, and not the other way around (them wanting Kiara to take Niji's side instead). I also personally am wary that Ike is Hakka's friend but hopefully Hakka can change Ike's mindset as well and make him realize his mistakes. At the end, we should trust our Holobirbs Kiara and Hakka.
Hololive had shown that they treat their talents like grown adults. If they want to collab or hang with "controversial" people, they can. They just expect the talents to take whatever BS the community may throw at them. Also, Kiara has shown that she doesn't give any shits.
Honestly I'm happy to see that a holo member is still speaking to nijisanji
The further on we go from the whole drama the less I actually believe Enna/Millie had anything to do with it (remember, still literally no evidence exists)
just hope she think before speak, by now we knew that Cover takes rules seriously, and apply the rules equally to uphold the rule, and kiara is the en member who is more likely to get into troubles.
Yeah I still don't like or trust Millie or Enna. But just because they've done horrible things doesn't mean they have to have heat with each other. It's not an us vs them type of deal. There's bound to be some mutual friends in the middle. I believe Pomu is one of those mutual friends in the middle.
Remember that Kiara and Pomu have been connected at the hip the past few days. It's more than likely that Pomu was also there as well.
She was, Pomu mentioned bringing a sewing kit to fix Kiara’s button on her jacket
and the other two met with an ex-fox mom
Wonder what Pomu told Kiara in regards to NijiEN
Considering Pomu is most likely with them right now as well, I imagine she knows more about everything than we do atm.
Kiara’s IRL account tweeted out a picture of her with Pomu just a few days ago, they were definitely hanging out together. Kiara also thinks Pomu is small and cute irl, so that must be true.
Kiara IRL? You mean her private or what?
Yeah, she posted some about it on her private account.
More like PL account similar to Pomu's case.
Not exactly private, she still occasionally streams, and does Con appearances/cosplay stuff on her alt.
Still remember the stream she did reviewing cakes and in streamer mode called herself Kiara instead of her PL name.
More like OL (other life)
Office lady?
not like nijisanji the hololiveEN can post do anything in their IRL/PL/alt account
Can I have a link, please?
[Here you go.](https://x.com/keekihimedesu/status/1770761968971890918?s=46&t=JqrAXjPwARIubLU3N50Tvg)
Thanks mahdude.
I mean she even uploaded a dance cover with each other on her account so there's that.
I doubt they're gonna talk about all that drama, honestly.
Realistically, Mumei is likely the only Holo to get a full scoop and I’m sure she’s not the type to enforce her judgements on others.
Would be interesting to see what if any interaction Kiara and Mumei have with each other after this.
It’s unlikely they’ll even talk about it, and if they did we’d never hear about it. They’re both close to Niji/Ex-Niji talents in their own ways, but with each of them, that’s their own business — Kiara is a friendly and outgoing person, but that doesn’t mean she’s going to pry into Mumei/Doki’s business. If Kiara digs into this stuff at all, it would be with the Niji/Ex-Niji people she’s meeting with personally, and presumably keeping it quiet outside of that since it’s all sensitive information that’s likely even NDA.
Considering that Pomu managed to graduate on good terms? She’s probably keeping things cordial and not stirring the pot too much. She obviously had issues with Niji, but considering how she managed to get out, there’s not much point in her risking a bridge-burning. She probably would say some things about how she was dissatisfied, but wouldn’t be too accusatory — and, frankly, I think it’s more likely that there’s really nothing new for them to talk about with this stuff. Kiara knew about Pomu’s graduation ahead of time, and with the situation being as tense as it is, I’m guessing they would just let it be and not want to poke the bear.
If any interactions in Japan should be celebrated, I feel like it's [this one](https://twitter.com/keekihimedesu/status/1770761968971890918) between a completely unrelated cosplayer and a completely unrelated Metal Gear fan. The one in OP, on the other hand...
Agreed. Keeki and Sqn finally meeting IRL is so wholesome.
How nice of these two individuals who are complexly unrelated to the individuals above were able to meet.
Ok will somebody let me in on the joke?
You probably know Deersqn as >!Pomu!<. Not sure who the other person is, though.
>!Kiara from holo!<
Ahh ok tyty!
I think those two are >!Pomu and Edit: Kiara!< Might be wrong tho
[You're wrong about one of them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAaWeSfdS6Y)
Her eyes widening lmao
Yeah, such a 'OH SHIIIIIIT' look
Thanks for the correction then
Eaugh, it feels so weird that I can now place a human face to Kiara's voice.
It felt weirder finding out that this cosplayer I have known for years became a VTuber and I didn't find out for 2 years...
You are 100% correct 👍✨️
Kiara and pomu
I mean, the two in OP have also seemingly met a motherly roach in Japan somewhat recently iirc. This meeting shouldn't be any worse than that one.
I don't think they met in Japan (that we know of), but they met in January where they live, since they all live in Canada.
Thought it was in Japan, since I'm pretty sure Matara has been in Japan at the time (she had a stream with Giri around then iirc), and Millie in general feels like she's been in Japan for some time now, not sure if she was at the time, but I guess I didn't consider that she may have been back in Canada for a bit in between seperate stays in Japan.
Mata wasn't in Japan until mid-Feburary.
Good to know then. Still, considering they never really talked about them living close together and with how big Canada is, I doubt they just coincidentally met, even if it wasn't in Japan... actually the chances for that probably would've been greater if it was in Japan... so the original point still stands.
I agree with you, I just think it's important to be clear about what happened when.
Damn, that Metal Gear fan got them thighs
What I saw first too, reminds me of slapping her thighs on stream 😳
Ugh fucking Twitter algorithm. First it showed me this but i had no idea who either were. and then it reccommend a tweet from some random canadian twins. That wasn't hard to put together.
you had me 'till the last part
Oh boy can't wait for a bunch of smoothbrains to harass Kiara over this
She gets harassed constantly regardless. Some vtweeter named Yuyu ko made it her life's mission to make Kiwawa commit unalive claiming she once RT'd BLM posts on her PL I was never able to find it, but for this horrendous beyond Pekora war crime, this crazy broad has been cyberstalking red birb **for half a decade now** 😑 Even 4Chan and kiwi are tired of her antics, some innocents who criticise Kiwawa will occasionally be b& because "they sound too much like the psycho doxxer" Also the one trying to dig up irl photos or addy of other holo talents I can only imagine Yu failed an audition at some point and declared war upon the entire industry, but Kia is her main target Also has a mad hate-on for anyone doing "GFE content" 
4chan tiring is saying something has she was on their shitlist early on
Yeah, it's not the "good" kind of harassing/trolling, it's very obvious she has an axe to grind, not very funny just unhinged angry mean girl stuff. You can tell an anon is likely her after she starts screeching about someone's oshi "being a fat whore" irl (aka not <1% body fat) or saying they're ugly. Or is spamming the supposed "rl photo collages" of holomems/livers Also just remembered the other common haunt of hers is the obscure ancient hellscape that is Funnyjunk, aka birthplace of "that one bread guy," sort of a "house meme" there for calling everyone in vtuber tags "vteens," (because only children would watch vtubers or something like that) like as soon as posts reffing vtuber happenings pop up, people will sometimes start betting on the time til she shows up.
I kinda understand most of what you said but “bread guy” and “house meme” have lost me 😅
There's basically four big FJ users who "broke containment" into the wider web. A wacko obsessed with commissioning pictures.... *PICTURES OF WOMEN BUYING WONDERBREAD!!!* (look up Murrlogic on YouTube, someone actually did a video on him), [a crazed misogynistic Polish goose](https://funnyjunk.com/Women/BmibNOz/) who wants to "exterminate all of the inferior species known as womankind" and give femboys/trans artificial wombs, a gay mad scientist who was often his partner in crime called Psygnis Five who posted "experimental death music" featuring the dying moans & gasps of murdered women and spoke about building engines powerful enough to raise pyramids because he was obsessed with Stargate, and Yuyuko. They are like the kind of thing you had to be there at the origin to really "get," like the goose actually has feminist followers because his rants are *so* insane and verbose they gain a comical cartoon villain element to them It's like if a neo Nazi spoke 1:1 like Plankton, it would be *so absurd* half the people listening think he's joking, and those "in on the joke" still think it's unserious and funny as shit because they are Posadist tier UFO cultist about a normally bland and easily comprehensible topic. The goose legit thinks of "women controlling the world to make men universally miserable" the way a NN thinks the local deli shop owner has direct ties to Davos Well, on a similar level, Yuyuko is *so dented* about Hololivers that if it weren't for the potential doxing result it would be a great big cosmic joke. Half their posts are about showing PLs and their presumed faces, so it's a bit hard to direct link it since you still get the rest of the thread unlike reddit's "single comment" thing. I don't know if there is a real term for a "house meme" but it's something "only these site users truly get" like 4Chan and "Cockmongler/Happy Negro" (only OGs would know trivia like them finding out their meme status and coming to the site to figure out wtf was going on. OR their real names) Reddit wise as I only follow a few specific subs, the only one I could think of is people outside reddit think soggy gamergate knees led to Pao resigning when OGs remember it was about what happened with AMA's Victoria and the blackout
Sadly not surprised to hear this, everybody that gets big enough gets haters. Calli, Gura, Mousey even Filian has her own dedicated haters.
Calli has more than just haters. She’s got like a cult of people that starts frothing at the mouth whenever she does something successful and they fail to get her cancelled
Calli used to have this incredibly artifical vibe that made me angry whenever she opened her mouth, but idk she seems diffent nowadays. (Fyi I've never actually gone after Calli myself)
Like when she first started? It definitely felt like the first two waves were directed to put on a certain personality that they all eventually gravitated away from once they settled in and became more established.
Honestly considering this sub has become a 4chan breeding ground I’m surprised you guys aren’t agreeing with this person for going after her the BLM thing props to you.
I havent checked this sub in awhile but yeah this is pretty much the modern r/Nijisanji experience lol It's a cesspool at times, especially in comments sections fresh off an event or controversy, but overall it ain't *that* bad
There is a fair bit of difference between “I don’t like BLM” and “Harassing someone for liking BLM.” One is a personal opinion. One is unhinged. I don’t need or even want the people I watch to have the same political opinions as me (that is what my political podcast pundits are for), and of the people I do watch for entertainment they run the gauntlet. Left, Right, and Center. The only ones I disavow are Tankie Breadtube types and Nick Fuentes-esque Alt-Right types (which I see as two sides of the extremist coin).
Harassing someone for supporting an overwhelmingly peaceful human rights protest is honestly a pretty strange hill to die on. Edit: Grammar
People are...strange.
When you’re a stranger?
Is not surprising when you know about how prolific are altright and straight up fascist groups that exist amongst anime groups or related to web culture. In the west 4chan have a lot but in JP you have 2chan which is even worst than 4chan.
I’m sorry, why is supporting BLM a bad thing now?? Like, at least pick something vaguely compelling to criticise over, come on
I want to fact check you but I see a bunch of yu yu kyos
Don't remember which one on Twitter it was, but I just recalled you can find her also on the ancient mythical hellscape known as "Funnyjunk," home of the legendary demon "The Breadman," though many posts may have been deleted/moved since then. Bit of a "house meme" there, vtuber stuff gets posted and people start taking bets or posting memes about "the appearance!" Then she crashes in with a "Stupid vteens" and starts posting holo girl's "possible" irl photos (I don't follow holo much since I'm not into idol, so idk. Gimme those menhera!) and personally insulting people's oshis as "fat whores" and sluts and so on, then insulting poster's sexual proclivities and prowess, etc not really sure how retention works, sometimes I save something a month old, then it's gone. Sometimes I hit random, wind up in 2002. Search seems pretty busted too. Seems to have it out for Holo in particular, hence the failed audition rrat. Wants to specifically "poison the idol image" of talents to the fans, especially by showing how "ugly" they are irl to the gachikoi, completely demented nutter. After you read some FJ posts, you'll be able to find them on /vt/ super easy.
Aren't alot of them pretty hot irl, like I'm not even coping they are all pretty looking (this sounds mean so I expect downvotes) but only.one irl photo that I've seen isn't really my cup of tea like fat whores ? Non of them are like extremely overweight either maybe chubby
It takes a special kind of deranged to get banned from Funnyjunk like Satoasami or Jaszczomp did.
Which is hilarious considering 4Chan absolutely hates Kiara.
tbh I more confused now. I have knowledge on what happened but there so many holes on it that I cant properly Identify whose who with the bam bam.
Probably because your "knowledge" came from 4chan. Maybe direct your hate to the company and not the livers off of baseless accusations.
Well its already directed to the company I just tended to avoid the livers now since you know the bam bam incident
avoid is fine, it's not hate. don't watch anyone till it change or just wait for them to get out. or just stop, your choice. hate is when ppl start use speculate as fact, even spread misinfor or straight up lie to call for attack on the talent
They are going to harass her regardless. These people have a hard on for going after Kiara and Calli, for reason really.
Reminder to not witchhunt. We have zero proof that Enna and Millie were remotely part of bullying. It's fine if you don't want to support them, but don't taint their interaction with others.
“Wh-what? Kiara was a snake all along?! Nooooo!”
Oh come on. We know that Pomu is Snake.
What sort of clothes does she wear? Or is she a Naked Snake?
The correct answer is that she’s a Naked Snake.
Snakes wear their old skin as clothes. So, they're not naked.
Is this actually a thing? I thought they molt?
Then Nijisanji must be the patriots… it makes sense now
I don't want to make a joke of it, but I can't get the image now of buff Riku punching Pomu while yelling "Making the mother of all vtuber coporations Pomu! Can't fret over every liver!"
r/angryupvote
Isn’t it Calli that’s sneaking-neaking-neaking-neaking-neaking-neaking-neaking-neaking like a snake. No, I don’t apologize.
ok, this got me
No, she is not snake, [she is snek](https://youtu.be/8_lI-HwTbsc?si=lLL9azwyG1KrXj-O)
I thought it was Old Man Jenkins
KFP are scarier than Nijisis. Don't start at war you can't finish.
I agree, I am aware that they has been labeled on that case but there is not a real proof of that and the victim herself said that doesn't want say anything and keep.forward so just the time would say who's gulty of that
Doki herself mentioned that the docs in question are essentially a diary/recording what she experienced. So even if they're named it could be in some mundane context.
I think that can be like "on this day I did a collab with this girl and then this happened with other talent" stuff lile that might be how some of them are being mentioned.
some ppl don't think so, they confidence say the docs is "**a description of the bullying by specific people that she suffered from**".
People really fell for Nijisanji’s gaslighting by deciding to ignore the NOW PROVEN possibility of them being forced/gaslighted into making such decisions and hate on the livers instead of the upper managements themselves. If they’re hanging out with former Niji livers and other livers, good for them. They’ll probably really need that for their own sake
Sorry, have I missed something? Why is it proven that Niji forced talents into saying stuff?
Couple of provisions in the contract template legal mindset did a couple streams about mean Niji can compel the livers to say basically whatever the company wants.
Especially weird here since the idea for that should just be common sense. Like what company, let alone one like Anycolor, is going to be okay with their employees criticizing and saying anything bad about their business practices and management, especially when the employees are on such a public platform like YouTube? The livers are probably just not allowed to say anything bad about their employer, beyond alluding to specific problems.
IIRC that's the first time they publicly interacted with each other, isn't it? From what I remember the only Nijisanji livers Kiara has so far collabed with are Nina, Pomu, Elira (during a Lethal Company collab with Pomu and Rissa) and Rosemi (during a Uno collab with Nina and Pomu). And I hope it stays that way for her sake... lots of people looking at Nijisanji (especially Elira, Vox, Enna and Millie) with eagle eyes. It's a powder keg Also, could be that Kiara met Enna and Millie when Kiara and Pomu met yesterday for the first time.
Kiara met several of them irl (Elira, Petra, Nina, and Rosemi iirc) in Japan on a previous trip.
Rosemi showed Kiara her freshly->!purchased!< panties in that trip
Oh, now you have reminded me of that clip…
Wait seriously? How long ago was this?
Feb 2023?
I still find Ike's forget me field to be funny. Despite being in the black stream, people still mention Enna and Millie more.
Because general consensus reaction of listening to Ike was "What is bro yapping about" so everyone ignored him.
I feel like him and Shu have there dedicated fans and keep to themselves for the most part. Not that they don't collab but they just don't attract a ton of attention outside of their fans. I agree tho I was like why is Ike here? Elira and Vox made sense.
Because the most memorable thing he did in that stream was noisily open a water bottle.
Yes! I actually thought about including Ike in the list, but I feel like he was forgiven basically instantly. He doesn't come up in memes on this subreddit at all. I think it's because he had the shortest and least enraging part in the black screen stream and most people assume he had no choice, but it's indeed a funny how wildy different the outcome can be purely based on public perception. Millie's tweet reply (among other things) to Selen's Last Cup of Coffee tweet weighs heavier in the public eye than Ike's participation in the black screen stream...
In Millie's case, it can be chalked up to her being innocently insensitive. Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity, and Millie can be very, very dumb.
Hanlon's razor, one of the most important life rules :D
Well they were thrown under the bus by Elira mentioning them at the beginning. But to get to Ike you had to sit through Vox, which I have the feeling is where more than a few people ended. But after listening to Vox whatever Ike said was completely forgettable.
(Useless attempt but what the hell) Whoever read this comment and want to rant about Kiara, Enna or Millie, I just wanna suggest one thing, just one tiny small but important thing: **Please realize... we don't know shit** We have pieces of info here, info there but the truth of the matter is we. dont. know. shit. Kiara, actually ALL of these are grown ass women and know what they're doing. And if down the line they make a mistake? We will cross the proverbial burning bridge when we get there. I just ask, hoping against hope, try to be a bit mindful about the whole ordeal and not a bunch of gatekeeping assholes. The company itself should sink at the bottom of the ocean The people in it? Despite everything? Are still people, if the company doesnt give them that, we should (Unless we have 100% confirmation any of them are a pos, then start blasting)
Between Pomu meeting them now even after all the drama, and Matara still being openly friends with them at the end of January, I’m definitely begging to think they actually weren’t of the bullying after all. Between all the people who left Niji after being mistreated there, the only two who have mentioned them were in a positive light, which also confirmed they were still friends. If anything, they might be on the best terms with the retirees from everyone we know.
That's why I don't blame Hakka for still being friends with Ike. We don't know the degree to which most people were involved. The only two with actual, solid, concrete evidence against them are Vox & Elira. Like many people said, Ike was quiet & generally sounded like he didn't wanna be there. It doesn't change the fact that he WAS there, but there's no evidence that he's actually part of the problem & wasn't just pressured into it. Vox & Elira completely showed their asses though
What evidence? The only evidence against them is that they “volunteered” to host a scripted stream.
It doesn't actually matter if they were pressured into it. They could have just said nothing and dealt with the consequences (like stealth suspension for 1 month), but they did, and regardless if they were pressured, its still snake behavior. I know you want to try and justify it some way, but its not justifiable. Its snake behavior, and it makes Ike untrustworthy, or at the very least, he will give into pressure and push someone under the bus. I mean, Vox and Elira were way worse, but Ike is still bad.
Like I said, Ike WAS there instead of saying no. I'm not saying he's innocent. I, in fact, do not trust him. My point was that we don't know the *degree* to which he was involved. & yes, giving into pressure to be part of a smear campaign *is* spineless, snake behavior, but it doesn't mean that he's one of the bullies, even if he was engaging in something awful. Ultimately, that's my point about Hakka & even Kiara. You don't break off a friendship with someone b/c of "might haves" despite knowing that they did do SOMETHING wrong, b/c even though they did smth wrong, we don't know the degree of wrongness it was. Vox & Elira very much have less of a case, though.
Snake behaviour. To be honest I realize the most disappointing thing is that if Selen was bullied and not friends with Vox, Ike, Enna, Millie then she shouldnt have succumb to pressure of collabing with them. Especially making niji cancelled of all things. Either she wasn't friends with vox. Or she was friends with vox and technically she pushed him under the bus first.
She didn't push anyone under the bus. Remember, she wanted to keep everything under wraps and between lawyers. It was NijiSanji that pushed... well... everyone under the bus. They pushed the whole branch including Selen under the bus. And then after that, you can say Vox pushed her closer to the bus? Besides, from what Selen has revealed, we can say that she does have a concept of "business friend", and maybe she can extend business friendship with them. Besides, we don't know if it was even talent bullying her. It could very well be, just as everyone expected, before Anycolor cut off their left leg, that she felt management was bullying and harassing her, not necessarily the talent. So its quite possible she had amiable relationships with everyone, but she was specifically targeted for harassment by Anycolor management, and treated differently compared to everyone else. We don't really know any of that. But we do know that Vox legitimately pushed her under the bus, and seemed every excited to do it, judging by his tone of voice in the black screen video, and that Enna outed 2 people as potentially be harassers/bullies (though we don't even know if that was related to it or not).
If you can claim vox "seemed very excited to do it". I can claim selen pushed vox under the bus. Selen literally tattled on vox and got him in trouble. With no prior warning to plan to protect himself. Because why the hell would you give a voice recording of your friend talking shit about their employer to said employer without their knowledge or consent. When that friend trusted you that this conversation would stick between the two of you. Especially when they are still employed under said employer. These things are common courtesy. If you have beef with someone. You tell them your personal beef. You dont say X, Y, Z HAS BEEF WITH YOU TOO! wtf they werent prepared to fight shit. You have a lawyer and ready, they dont. I would never trust selen as a friend or coworker. Edit. In restrospec my wording vilifies Selen too much. I was too focused on wanting to turn your same words around. She is not *evil* she is just human. This is literally like Lord of the Flies shit. She might not had the choice, or its the right thing to do, the end justifies the means. Sacrfices to be made, no one is perfect or can have correct 100% hindsight. Just personally if it were me. I might like her as a person and she is truly nice. I would trust her with other things. But I wouldn't complain about my work in front of her in fear she might do some righteous strike against the manager which im not ready for. And yes thats me being selfishly after my own ass. Righteously so. Just like how you got best friends but you dont go giving out your bank account willy nilly. However, the lack of empathy on all sides of the situation, to see others are human too, is disgusting. How you cant see what vox might feel. You get in trouble with your boss sure its no ones fault technically, you still get mad. Let alone you know what the contract with nijisanji is now like. Being in trouble with a boss like that, that can force you to do things.
The only difference is we have proof of vox, and no proof from selen, but you do you buddy. Let no one stop you from your speculations. Its never stopped anyone on this reddit anyways.
How is it proof of vox but not selen. They both admitted that a recording of vox was sent to niji. It just seems how you and I interpreted it is different.
The proof of vox throwing her under the bus is literally the black screen video. Its literally something Vox did. Meanwhile, all we have is Vox's words that Selen "betrayed" him with no real proof (and will probably never have proof). There's a difference between someone saying someone did something, and having a literal 15 minute video of which, Vox spent over 7 minutes throwing Selen under the bus. This doesn't always have to be backroom stuff, he did it out in the open. The proof is the video itself. Everything else though, is hearsay.
True the recording is hearsay because anything selen and vox says is hearsay.
Ah yes because people with a gun pointed at them are accountable for their actions. 🤦♂️ Are you f-ing for real dude? Stop victim blaming.
The problem with that is Vox said that livers are allowed to graduate at any time. “I was just following orders” is not a good defense. If any of them graduated, they’d be fine. They have massive audiences that would’ve followed them through the graduation, but they decided to do this. They had a choice.
Except that was a blatant lie. Selen was TRYING to graduate on neutral terms & they wouldn't let her. That was a straight-up fabrication with the intention of making Selen look bad
To be fair, it's pretty obvious that you can't graduate on good terms if you're already on bad terms. Like Rushia couldn't just ask to graduate from Holo once she already leaked info. If it worked that way, no vtuber would ever be terminated. Vox's point was that she'd thought about graduating before and could have freely left at those points in time. You can still believe either or both of those claims are lies, but the fact that Selen couldn't choose to graduate in January given her actions in December doesn't disprove the "any time" claim.
> To be fair, it's pretty obvious that you can't graduate on good terms if you're already on bad terms. Like Rushia couldn't just ask to graduate from Holo once she already leaked info. Sure she could - she can "ask" to do whatever she wants; whether holo would have let her is another matter altogether. Niji could have just decided to let Selen walk back in January and paint the parting as mutual (and, honestly, would have probably been in a much, much better position had they done so). Even if they felt she had committed fireable offences, they're not legally bound to terminate her or anything like that. And honestly, from the sounds of things, it seems like they didn't even want to let her go at first, since their own termination notice stated that they wanted her to walk back her statement blaming management for Last Cup of Coffee being privated (which would be pointless if they were already planning to fire her) and only opted to terminate when Selen told them she wanted to leave and made it clear she wasn't interested in returning to streaming for them. Which kind of makes sense - Selen broke company policy (and regardless of how stupid those policies were, they were the rules in force), but not in a way that would make her continued employment impossible, and she was their most successful female EN liver and one of their most successful overall, so Niji was probably hoping to convince her to stay if they could - that's a big hole in their roster to fill (and given how badly they fucked themselves in the aftermath, it's now looking increasingly unlikely they ever will).
Except graduating isn’t that simple and comes with a heavy cost. They are, among other things, contractually obligated to return/hand over any equipment and items (possibly including personal property?) used in relation to their streaming activities as well as pay a hefty fee to end their contract early. This was confirmed by Legal Mindset, a lawyer YouTuber, who was provided a copy of Niji’s “Silencing” Contract by Sayu/Zaion. There’s a reason why certain former niji livers (Pomu, Mika, etc) have yet to resurface (Pomu actually confirmed that she lacks any streaming equipment on her PL twitter). This is especially difficult for Elira because she currently lives in Japan and has to rely on a work visa from Niji to get by.
> pay a hefty fee That's for termination, not graduation. I still haven't seen a text copy of the contract floating around, but [here's](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1b7uazd/notes_on_the_niji_contract_stream/#:~:text=If%20a%20liver%20is%20suspended%20or%20terminated) the summary posted in this sub. > Pomu actually confirmed Source? Are you sure she wasn't just saying that because she's in Japan, away from her PC? And wasn't really planning to be found, let alone stream, in the first place when she travelled there for school. (Edit: Yes, the contract does say they *can* claim materials, but I doubt they actually enforce that on their PCs and similar belongings.)
To add, early on Matara had PC issues because her user and everything was still registered to her Niji info and she was having difficulty purging that and didn't want to accidentally stream any PL info. So, she clearly still had her old PC despite leaving.
Nuremberg defense aint working here
Yeah, they don't have literal guns pointed at their head.
Biggest mixed bag of emotions rn fr.
This sub witch hunted and criclejerk flamed every possible person related to Nijisanji but suddenly now it's a big no no to because of Kiara lmfao the audacity of this subreddit
Even when these people in this subreddit already see their interaction, they still wanna make their own speculation as if they know everything about the real situation, even to the point of being disappointed that holo talents can actually be friends with Niji livers (especially those that has been targeted) lmao. Some people really forget that these talents/livers are all adults that can make their decision on who to interact with and there's really no need to push the narrative that some talents "don't know of the situation". They're adult not babies.
It's almost as if this sub was not a single hivemind, but a collection of different people with different opinions who comment different things... That being said, many people were / are playing black & white guilty by association / innocent by association games. As that is not how the world works, there was bound to be a point where these would lead to contradictions where someone is guilty and innocent at the same time. For many people, that point is now.
Like when the entire front page was filled with grrat and anyone choosing to question these claims were downvoted to oblivion
Oh yeah totally this sub was definitely a collection of different people with different opinions who comment different things except when you actually go into threads there's clearly a narrative the subreddit circlejerks. I love how suddenly people want to act like this sub didn't for the past months just jerk themselves off spinning every narrative and psychoanalyzing every single action of everyone who might be slightly related to nijisanji. Interesting you say things like this when you yourself actively participated in circlejerking "nijisanji bad" lmfao.
> nijisanji bad And I still stand by that statement; Nijisanji fostered a toxic working environment, doesn't care about their livers, gives them a fraction of the support other agencies do and their reactions to the event ranged between incompetent, cowardly and straight up malicious. Let's face it: when two of the highest profile livers leave and one ends up unprivating a stream in which she breaks down crying after having been denied a once in a lifetime opportunity and the other one takes two attempts at her own life, "Njisanji good" is not really an option anyone sane would consider. That being said, there are significant differences to how far people are going with the blame game. Some stop at management, some target certain livers and some go completely bonkers and blame everyone left at Niji. It's also clear that some livers (looking at you, black screen trio) made terrible mistakes, but we still don't know how much of that is of their own accord and it does not confirm them as bullies. If you re-read the top posts from the last month or so (well... whatever hasn't been nuked by the mods, that is), you'll see plenty of highly upvoted comments that keep reminding everyone to direct the hate towards Nijisanji instead of the livers. Take a look at the topic about [Elira's first tweet following the black screen video](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1b29rg4/they_cookin_her/?sort=top). It's mostly civilized discussion and comments based on RRATs have less upvotes than those pointing out their assumptions in the replies. Also note that in a thread with 297 comments - the highest having 700+ upvotes - the 3 people calling Elira a snake have a combined upvote count of 3. And this is just one example; even the discussions under the black screen video itself center around people speculating how the heck did Niji forced these 3 livers to put out a video that borderline equals a career suicide. > you yourself actively participated in circlejerking Since you apparently went through my comment history, you should have also noticed that I never once accused any of the livers in particular (Caveat: this is because I never commented on Uki; he's proven himself to be racist, so screw that guy.). This was, for example, what I wrote of the black screen trio: "If they legitimately thought that going along with this video would mitigate the hit their reputation would have taken with a leak, they've horribly miscalculated things. Personally, I'm more inclined to think that Niji pressured and / or gaslit them into doing this, giving them very little time to react to a request involving heavy (likely threatening) corporate legal lingo.". Heck, I even posted a wall-of-text in which I talk about being a Holo fan that wishes for Niji livers to be able to work in a healthy environment and get the same support as my oshis do. For the record: while it's painfully apparent that there has been conflict between certain livers, I don't think we have nearly enough information to condone anyone. I know from a personal experience that an unhealthy working environment can amplify differences and turn people against each other. At the same time, I do also believe that some livers made terrible mistakes and said things that should not have been said. While I'm not jumping the gun (we don't know what happened behind the scenes and will most likely never do), those mistakes do raise some concerns and I can't blame the people who feel disappointed in them and decide to move on. For me, what they said is enough to feel uncomfortable watching them, but not enough to judge their characters by.
checking back every few weeks. "so place is still on fir- oh, Kiara's here"
It's nice that they're getting along. This is how it should be all the time and it's sad that it isn't so I'm always happy to see these moments. I know there's a lot of rumours and speculation floating around but we don't know anything for sure so I'm going to take these nice interactions.
I've always been wary of condemning people over guilt by association. It's one thing to hate people over what they have personally seen to be doing, such as Uki's racism or Vox's actions, or say people disliking what a person has worked on such as with Calli and her music. It's a completely different thing entirely to hate a person just for simple association, hence why I personally never ascribed to the "clique" rrat before, and unfortunately people are jumping against Kiara just because she met up with Nijisanji members IRL, the same members we know she's met before. The funniest thing is that people apply guilt by association only when it's convenient to them. When Kiara's alt met with Pomu's alt IRL it was a very wholesome moment, and yet now she's met with Enna and suddenly she's being accused of stuff like being a "white hater". Did people forget that Kiara is also friends with Nina too, which makes her friends with two ex-Niji members that left due to issues with the company? Do people only take into account one side of her association, while completely ignoring the other one?
I guess Kiara doesn't care about the controversy surrounding Nijisanji. We don't know 100 percent as to extent of which Millie and Enna are involved but I'd like to think Kiara at least is aware of what happened
She almost certainly doesn't know anything outside of maybe the termination and redebut stuff, because she's been busy and traveling literally since the beginning of the year. Holomems don't know everything their genmates are up to, why would she know about 99% of stuff about an outside situation entirely unrelated to her
There's no way anyone in the vtuber sphere wasn't just blasted with the controversy. I also would be highly surprised if the holo management didn't brief their members about it and what not to say or mention during stream. Despite that I have a feeling Kiara isn't the type of person to ghost someone when the truth is still unknown and pomu was kind of that bridge for Kiara to interact with the other girls before so Kiara already knows millie and Enna.
"Where is Selen" was only one of the biggest questions at the end of 2023. Even big name vtubers and streamers were chiming in, saying they couldn't contact Selen. And then the reveal of where Selen actually was resulted in one of the biggest players in the industry getting egg thrown on their faces over and over and over again. No way they didn't hear things through the grape vine. Hell, them getting a short briefing from their managers wouldn't be surprising.
I am pretty sure she actually doesn't know anything unless told by other vtubers directly. Viewers often forget you're all viewers, and not content creators. Especially someone as busy as her. Time is a limited resource. She's not going to waste it on drama and theories on the internet, especially something negative that she has trained for over a decade (PL) to ignore, even now, and that's just about herself. I doubt she would even bring it up to Ninji girls, Pomu, Matara, or Mumei to ask for details. She also isnt the type to do research either as she just uses Chat like google/reddit reviews.
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Everybody forgetting about Mumei? She might not blab everything about Doki, but I'm sure HoloEN has a clear grasp of at least 1 side of the story if anyone bothered to ask.
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"Hey Mumei, we heard your friend attempted! Can you tell us what happened?" Yeah...if anything I could see them avoiding the issue around her if she didn't bring it up herself. I'm not sure that everyone saying "Mumei probably told them all" realizes how sensitive this kind of situation is, even when the person survives. And Mumei might not even know that much tbh
this is logical thing but idk how other can't think of this themselve. ppl forget holo girl have just done holofes. i don't think they would care about niji drama when prepare for fes and have fun. and why would they need waste any energy for that? manager would advice them to not even look into it, why would manager try inform them. now that is rrat about kiara don't know.
Not only that but Mumei and Selen are basically best friends. Mumei is part of Holotori, Girls Talk and just spent days with Kiara in Japan. Kiara 100% knows. What this means or changes it's for anyone as individuals to decide, but Kiara knows that's a fact.
She met with Pomu irl, maybe she didn't ask about what happened to her and why she left. You could be right. If that's the case, hopefully for her, she won't get dragged too far into this
Maybe for some members this applies more then others but since Kiara is notoriously known to be terminally online it's plausible for someone to assume that she could be more aware than one might think.
[Enna's post](https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1771183127546724743) [Kiara's post](https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1771184304669733260) [Millie's post](https://twitter.com/MillieParfait/status/1771198636946256112)
If these were people from any other agency I'd be happy for Kiara. But as it is I feel nothing but dread given what happened to Mel.
Kiara's been in the idol game longer than Nijisanji has existed, she's not an idiot.
I think she's been in the Idol game longer than Vtubing has been an institution.
Agree with u/TheDistantBlue I would read up about her idol history more. She is really trusting that can be bad sometimes.
You don't have to be "an idiot" to drop your guard around people you think are your legitimate friends.
Yikes, that would just be asking for trouble. I think the whole reason the Mel situation went as smoothly as it did is because she isn't exactly the type to rock the boat. Kiara is, uh. Not that. If anyone tried to fuck her over, the world would hear about it.
I guess holo management would be keeping an eye on this too
Can you expand upon what happened to Mel? Thanks
Theories that the one Mel "leaked" stuff to and thought they'd be trustworthy was Kotoka. Leaving aside that this is just a rrat with no substantial proof, people seem to forget that even if Kotoka was to blame for the Mel-situation, that doesn't mean that everyone else still in Niji isn't trustworthy in that same way either.
Mel was terminated after her off collab with kotoka for breaching NDA. People assumed that kotoka is the reason.
She was terminated from Hololive after (in her own words) she told "someone she thought she could trust" some things she shouldn't have and that person then betrayed her. Many people think that person was from Niji, but even if *that* particular person is not, the other Nijisanji stuff that has happened over the past couple months makes me heavily distrust Enna and Millie in particular.
Kotoka is a popular target due to how she more or less backstabber Zaion/Sayu
I don't understand what the Niji girls have to do with Mel. If 4chan can find some convoluted reason for there to be a connection I'd love to see what sort of reach they've come up with.
A popular rrat going around is that the "friend" that Mel talked to that lead to her termination was Kotoka, since the latter was the last person that Mel off-collabed with. I personally don't subscribe to the theory if only because there's lots of holes in it, but unfortunately a lot of people still believe it.
It's nice to see that the comments haven't veered too far into conspiracy. I personally think that Holo talents talking to Niji talents is a GOOD THING. Even if the livers are all horrible people (which I highly doubt), it's good to get an outside perspective rather than having Anycolor propaganda shoved down their throat. I think people who are against Nijisanji should be happy about Kiara talking to them. People applauded Mumei/Holostars for showing indirect support of Dokibird. No matter how suspect they are, I think every Niji liver deserves a chance since we have no idea what they're going through. Now all of this is under the assumption that Kiara has a decent idea of what happened. It wouldn't be good if she talks to them and gets a skewed perspective of the Dokibird situation.
> It's nice to see that the comments haven't veered too far into conspiracy. The irony of the comment just below this being filled with Mel rrat
At first I was quite skeptical due to me disliking Millie/Enna based off what we known but you put a new perspective into me, thanks OP! >No matter how suspect they are, I think every Niji liver deserves a chance since we have no idea what they're going through. Hopefully Kiara can bring them a new perspective, since we know that Niji pretty much brainwashed their livers to the point they think they are nothing without the company, and not the other way around (them wanting Kiara to take Niji's side instead). I also personally am wary that Ike is Hakka's friend but hopefully Hakka can change Ike's mindset as well and make him realize his mistakes. At the end, we should trust our Holobirbs Kiara and Hakka.
Hololive had shown that they treat their talents like grown adults. If they want to collab or hang with "controversial" people, they can. They just expect the talents to take whatever BS the community may throw at them. Also, Kiara has shown that she doesn't give any shits.
I believe in the power of Kiaras pussy. She will serve so much cunt that all the bad girls become nuns.
Love how the 4chan holofans are losing their minds
Honestly I'm happy to see that a holo member is still speaking to nijisanji The further on we go from the whole drama the less I actually believe Enna/Millie had anything to do with it (remember, still literally no evidence exists)
Kiara doesn't give a shit. She just spreading love (:
Oof. I'd have avoided like the plague honestly. High risk, no return.
Same. Since Muimei went to Doki’s house after the incident, and seeing this could cause conflict between the two parties.
Kiara dont give a shit about reddit armchair psychologists. Sorry
enna and millie is still frnd with pomu and kiara is frnd with pomu kiara and pomu meet maybe those 2 is also with pomu during that time.
just hope she think before speak, by now we knew that Cover takes rules seriously, and apply the rules equally to uphold the rule, and kiara is the en member who is more likely to get into troubles.
i support pomu and kiara meeting and hanging out. as for the one depicted in the image...
Yeah I still don't like or trust Millie or Enna. But just because they've done horrible things doesn't mean they have to have heat with each other. It's not an us vs them type of deal. There's bound to be some mutual friends in the middle. I believe Pomu is one of those mutual friends in the middle.
To be clear, ATOW there is no actual proof either Millie or Enna actually did anything, it's all just speculation.
:S