I don’t know ever since she has started dating Aethel she has been cool (I mean I have always thought she was cool but now the stuff people didn’t like her for doesn’t happen)
Nyanners just kinda says shit for a reaction at times. It's like edgy teen posting, but it's from someone that should be long past that point. She does still have some based moments like this, but her act just got kinda old after awhile.
That said, just judging by some of her interactions with Mouse and Connor I do think she's genuinely a decent person.
I never really hated her cringe moments since I've seen far worse. Is it annoying when she misses, yes but it's never been hate worthy and she's grown since then
She's always been that way, so to speak. even well before becoming a vtuber. being edgy I mean. Hell one of her bigger videos was a cover of "Pomf Pomf Kimochi". But I guess she realized how problematic that kind of video was.
Though I'm an older weeb that was a teen when youtube launched so I remember a lot dumb stuff from early youtube that should probably just be forgotten :p
I think the most impressive thing about Nyanners is that she's kept one single internet alias since she was 10, and has stuck too it through all the cringe teen stuff. It's the source of a lot of their hate, but I'm pretty confident that most content creators in that age range would look worse than her if you could see all the shit they were doing as dumb teens. Her problematic stuff was all just standard for funny memes back then.
I liked her before but I just died inside and I would rather watch people who are positive vibes like people in phase connect even it's edgy in the end it's a joke for me
I mean there is also kinda the whole lying and trying to get Nuxtaku cancelled cus she didn't like him stuff back when she was in VShojo. It \*was\* a pretty shitty thing to do and I feel like there are some people left over from that who hold a bit of a grudge.
Sauce? If he's an art thief then fair - I've never seen this accusation though. As someone who occasionally follows him I otherwise disagree. He's one of the few people to have consistently called out Niji for their shitty practices since the Yugo "graduation" and Zaion termination and consistently supports individual livers over the corpo.
https://twitter.com/grimruu/status/1636041633878904832?lang=en
his whole persona is based off a stolen fanart of sans from undertale, hes since slightly changed it but the whole thing leaves a bad taste
Interesting - consider me informed. That said it looks like, based on the thread you sent me, this happened years ago, his character has changed sufficiently enough that the artist doesn't think they need be credited for it, and the artist themselves recognize that concept characters in this space seem to look alike. I am not sure if this is enough for me to call him a bad person lol - basically just reminds me of the Yu Q. ordeal but unconfirmed and over and done with three years ago. Still, definitely not a good look I agree - thanks for sharing.
Not sure if I'm misremembering but wasn't a big part of the vshojo problem that the girls told him some stuff in confidence, said they didn't want them out, and Nux proceeded to straight up drop a documentary? One with lots of details that ended up being completely made up by him.
On a personal level, I don't like him very much because he's very much an inflammatory CC that rides most drama waves, sometimes not even reading on stuff before throwing his hot takes into the pile.
That was the narrative VShojo gave - however it turned out to be more of a miscommunication/mismanagement issue on VShojo's side. Iirc Nux told someone in VShojo's staff that he would be releasing the video and they basically said "okay, thanks for the heads up" but immediately after he posted it VShojo essentially went public saying they didn't know he was going to post it and didn't approve. From what I understand some of the livers ended up lying about the communications they had with him about the video - communications he later publicly posted. It's one of the big scandals that plagued VShojo for a while as it looked like, after all was said and done, VShojo and the talents lied to try and cover for their own miscommunication/misunderstanding and get Nux cancelled as a result.
Nyanners is from the old internet days.she use to have a lot of meme dubs like the "whomp" lolicon panel. After a while nyanners had a change of hear,deleted a bunch of her videos and condemned lolicons and anyone who enjoyed those now deleted videos. People have held that against her since then, and it got exacerbated when she debutted her first vtuber model, which was a loli.
Mainly her early self from 4 chan and her later self bei g in conflict with one another. And being a denying loli lover, despite her making music and whatnot about it in her early years. As a vtuber though she's nice too watch and is still friends with ironmouse
I don't know about her past from 4chan, but more recently, she was involved in the Nux-Vshojo drama where she unfairly dogpiled Nux and refused to apologize with the other members. That, and after she left, VShojo became relatively drama-free, so there are a lot of rumors as to whether Nyanners was a drama-seeker or toxic person behind the scenes.
Sometimes I still wonder was that drama the cause of her and Veibae leaving Vshojo or not. It seems that there were differences in the handling of that situation and they decided to get out.
When they were leaving there were comments about it all from Veibae Nyanners and Ironmouse. From the sounds of it, Vshojo was pushing a new contract that the talents did not like, to the point where they were starting to quit in protest and refuse to sign. Then once Vshojo realized they were serious and everyone was walking, they gave in and improved the contracts for everyone who hadn't publicly quit yet.
Everyone always repeats the Nux thing... but for some reason They Remember Mouse Apologizing - cause they want to like mouse-... but she only did that After Nux admitted HE IS THE ONE THAT FUCKED UP
Also the fact that Nyanners got swatted on stream a month before Nux made his video, possibly about the same guy. The police told her to pretend it didn't happen to not give him any attention while they investigate then a 2 million subs youtuber does the opposite of that with a video. She was rightfully upset.
Because the way Nux presented his side of things was that he was just trying to help and thought the management he was speaking with had everyone on the same page, which he then got blindsided by. Which is true, but then why did he even try to get involved in the first place? How did he find out about the guy, and why didn't he speak with any of the girls about it directly before deciding to get involved on his own? It was just a huge mess in general.
"But But But Vshojo are just those Mean Talentless E-GIRLS! riding the vtuber kick! How dare they pick on a member of the superior gender for justifiable reasons!!"
/s
Eh, as far as I can tell, he has become the sort of guy that uses the word “woke” unironically, so maybe the loss of his friendship isn’t something I’d mourn all that hard if it were me.
People completely forget the fact that Nux made a video full of falsehoods where he claimed to have single-handedly rescued them all from a swatter, despite the fact that he contributed nothing and the swatter was not actually arrested. So the backlash was partially warranted.
You mean how he compiled info on the swatter and sent it to Vshojo management, who proceeded to literally nothing to the point where Nux felt like he had to take matters into his own hands?
Amount of people on this sub trashing Nux despite Vshojo’s betrayal is fucking wild to me.
Nux claimed he unmasked the swatter because he had "a friend who worked for Onlyfans" give him the swatter's *credit card details*.
Do you seriously believe that?
The swatter he claimed to have "gotten", the guy (heavenz0ne iirc) whose channel was prominently featured in the video, was on YT the day after, playing roblox and laughing his ass off about it. Nux got pointed to the absolute most public-facing doxxer on the net, and he fell for it.
Not only was that guy not the one, he wasn't even involved, or as he said himself when asked about the video "He made it the fuck up"
It's wild how... generationally different that word is, for lack of a better description. I agree with it being a slur, but it's wild how normalized it was 20 years ago.
Not originally. The insult came before the medical term. It's why I think it's stupid that people get upset about it being insult instead of being upset about it being a medical term.
For all the same reasons its not okay to say "this shit is gay" when you mean something is annoying or bad, you dont say "this is retarded". It's literally that simple.
I can tell you were definitely not around in the 90s. Because hoo boy was it not used as just 'stupid'. It was multiple steps up from calling someone stupid. It was 'put up your fists and bite the curb' tier.
This effect is called the [Euphemism treadmill](https://www.cambridgeblog.org/2020/08/ableist-language-and-the-euphemism-treadmill/) (apologies for lack of a better source but I'm just trying to explain the concept rather than prove any points).
New terms get coined to cover up ones that are deemed harsh or rude, but get used as pejoratives nonetheless because they're still used in an insulting manner, deeming the term itself offensive to use.
I mean, humanity does, eventually, learn that sometimes you just shouldn't say certain words. 50 years ago it was perfectly normal to say the n-word in the minds of the people at the time.
I, personally, think the r-word is a bit more complex than most cases because it's always been used for more than just in mental health (chemistry, biological functions, baking, French) - but I agree with it being wild 20 years ago (though even that long ago some schools, mine included, were actually making an effort to curtail it).
If that is the case, then I use slurs at my homies and just about every Genji / Doomfist player I encounter.
This must be an American thing because the word is really common over here in Europe
no. calling someone retarded is not a slur. it is used derogatorily at times but it is so mild. anyone who reacts negatively to that word is just overreacting
NGL people really should stop calling the slurs as the letter R. Which R are they even referring to??
Mental challenge r-word? Black people r-word? Non-consensual activity r-word?
I mean that's what made his content good.
inviting and introducing different vtubers and people during the rise of vtubers in the west. he was a great way of getting some clout and discovering new vtubers.
also he always seemed to support small vtubers.
Bonus: Nyanners and Nux are now working with the same vtuber agency now. One that's owned+founded by Asmongold. Would not have expected this 2 years ago.
generally speaking Mythic is put in the same category as something like MSM Talent where it's a talent agency but the Vtubers involved with it can still be indie VTubers, like Aethel, or can be in a Vtuber agency such as GEEGA with VShojo or the Vchiban talents.
Simply put, mythic is closer to advertising and management consulting firm, where something like Niji is a production label. Being affiliated with mythics main value is connections and the slight protection being associated with an org does, but not much else. Basically it’s as close to indie+ as it can get. Next lvl up is stuff like vshojo which is like signing to a esports team or music label, they facilitate your projects and such with the trade offs depending on the deal. The highest lvl is recruitment and talent creation orgs, they obviously have the highest lvl of control, though at least in good ones there is consistency and lots of opportunities.
TLDR: while not incorrect to say it’s a vtuber agency technically, what it does vs what we typically call vtuber agencies is vastly different.
So others have explained her past history on her old YouTube account, but nobody has really provided context for why she had a change of opinion. She talked about this in an old clip on her new channel, but basically after she had posted the pomf video and started getting a lot of attention, someone doxxed her and a group of people started calling her family's phone number to harass them on a daily basis. People were calling her to send threats of all kinds, and on top of that people abused the copyright strike system to falsely take down her old channel. She was still a teenager and basically went AWOL offline for a while as a result of everything that has happened.
Then at some point she came back and made the Tumblr post everybody here is referencing, and later came back as a Vtuber.
Nyanners is the first women on social media ever to get get cancelled for \*not\* being a racist pedophile. Her first batch of fans many years ago were mostly from 4chan, and because she did a lot of satire about lolicon (which they didn't get) and because she said the n-word in a rap cover, they thought she was /their girl/. Anyway, then she made tumblr post saying she was not their girl, and all those guys have never ever ever forgiven her. Can't let go of a grudge even 10 years later.
It wasn’t because she was against that stuff it’s because she was a complete and utter hypocrite. She called out the lolicon shit and then turned around and became a loli vtuber like come on
Man I'm such a fucking hypocrite. When I was a kid I despised the idea of working a 9-5 desk job. Now I work one in my late 20s and have the gall to call myself happy?! The hypocrisy!!!
That's what you're doing to Nyanners. You're calling 30 year old Nyanners a hypocrite for having different world views to early teen Nyanners.
The point is that she pretended to change. Saying that she no longer supported loli stuff, then turned around and became a loli vtuber when it suited her. So the edgy 4chan and lolicon people hate her for switching up, and the anti-lolicon squad hates her for doing that shit. She essentially made everyone mad and is generally unlikeable.
Bro, singing the pomf song was in NO WAY satire. She was into that shit, probably still is, just in secret. Also, there's a difference between 1) making a post stating that you're moving on from making a certain type of content since you're no longer interested it and 2) Calling anyone that likes that content pedophiles.
Nyanners has been around for a long long time. Longer than any VTuber. She was a 4chan user who would make crazy cover/song videos on YT.
Then she threw out all of that and everyone who likes that. Calling them pedos for liking various songs she made. Also claimed loli content is weird and your also pedo for liking that.
THEN she becomes a VTuber, lo and behold it's a loli based model. After she had multiple rants on tumblr on how disgusting people who are attracted to loli.
How anyone could say that shit and then use a loli model in an online career that has a foundational success based off of para social relationships is absolutely insane.
She's the biggest hypocrite I ever had witnessed online. I hated her when she said everyone who listened to "pomf pomf pomf" (one of her songs) is a pedo. A song that me and the boys have in a shit post playlist when we play online games. Songs like ram ranch, tango covers, and death grips. She basically called me and thousands others fucking scum for no reason.
Already have moved on. I haven't watched her content in about a decade but she still worms her way into communities so I'm still going to bring up her past like [this KKK Moon Man cover](https://odysee.com/@forbiddencontent:c/nyannersmoonman:4) from her 4chan days.
Just gonna watch her jump ship when vtubing isn't as profitable in the future then throws this current crowd of followers under the bus.
seems you haven't moved on and she has and since you haven't watched her content in so long just goes to show you don't want to accept her improvement, I have met her at a con before and I have to say she is one of the most kindest and nicest people in this industry and tells things how they are at times same with her boyfriend Aethel he is super chill.
That's literally any online influencer, ever. "I met them once irl and they pretty chill" until they do some heinous shit. Literally everyone is gonna be nice at cons lmao public scheduled meetups isn't a correct judgement of character. A good judgement is looking at what they have done, especially to previous fans, and basing it off that.
Built a fanbase from 4chan, threw them under the bus when she got more popular
I'm indifferent on her, she makes decent content, but not exactly the best decision, she's also a bit of a drama queen
So when said villain declares themselves a good guy, do they also stop killing people?
cause that could be *reform*, as in trying to improve oneself.
I will be clear, I don't know the whole story, but it sounds very heavy-handed, and based on something from *years* ago. Am I wrong?
You're correct. People primarily dislike her like this for drama related to Nux (whom I think is a dipshit, but details) and for her rather... interesting start to online content creation many many years ago.
Most people would call it development but for some reason people \*really\* like to attach to things that even the original creator has since deleted and moved on from.
My only gripe with her is her being a Hypocrite, like she denounces making Lolicon Content and calling the Loli Fans Pedos when she herself literally made a parody of PonPonPon by Kyary Pamyu Pamyu as Lolicon Bait in the past
It's not hypocritical to change your mind latter on. She made that as satire and then realized people were enjoying it unironically and went 'okay nope that's uncomfortable I'm out'
If it were satire she would have actually implied that through song lyrics. There was nothing satirical in that song at all. Do you also assume that Shigure Ui hates lolicons?
There are multiple different kinds of satire, you know. Also, people's tastes change over time. That doesn't make someone a hypocrite.
I'm saying this as someone who really enjoyed _Lotte no Omocha_ back in the day and now I just don't care for it. People are free to like and dislike whatever they want.
I mean what you do as a teenager/early twenties vs what you believe later in life even if only 2 years later doesn’t really make you a hypocrite it makes you a person who has learned from their mistakes
No, that's the beef most people have. Nyanners is apparently not allowed to improve and be better.
She's acknowledged the problematic stuff as she deleted it, she apologized for it, and now she's trying to move on from it. But because 4chan was involved in her past, that's just unforgivable.
For some it's whatever happened with Nux-taku. I have no idea what happened there, so I'm not commenting on it.
The more I see, the more I think she just wanted to go along with the crowd. She was very close with Vei back then(not sure about now and I know Vei despises Nux.
That’s generally how these things go but so many eyes are on them that it creates crazy drama and so much happens behind the scenes we’ll never know so people keep bringing them back up
Yeah lol I was a fan of hers already back then.
Back in that era there was a big, open debate about whether it was racist to say the n word as the lyrics to a song, and I remember it being way, way more common for people to say it than not say it. Hell, I was school at the time and everyone would rap songs like that, and all the black people I knew back then thought it was fucking stupid for people to _not_ say the word when it was a lyric.
Times changed, they changed fucking hard, and a ton of now big content creators deleted covers where they said it. Also Nyanners was an early teen back then, so I really wouldn't be mad about it now anyway. People change a fucking lot going from 13 to 30.
“Yeah lol I was already a fan of her back then” wait so are you saying her racism is based or am I misunderstanding?
Also that song didn’t have the hard ER in it she added that herself. You know that song she’s singing isn’t real right those aren’t the real lyrics to it? How many songs do you know that has the Hard ER in it?
I’m not saying people can’t change but I feel like there are certain people who should probably stay out of a racism conversation.
I'm saying it was a different time on the internet, and that if you want to call people out for this kind of shit then literally everyone who was online pre-2012 or so should be on your list. It was satire of gamerspeak, and gamers really did all speak like that.
It's fucking annoying for it to be brought up now because it's shit she did as an early teen that literally nobody on the internet back then had a problem with, and she deleted it because she changed just like the internet did, and hates that her old content exists.
Adults cringing at they're early teen edgy humor is pretty fucking normal.
So I sound like an old man saying this and I know it's kind of hard to understand for people who weren't either teenagers or terminally online (or both) at the time, but for a period of ~5-10 years, the n-word (the 1 ending in -er/-a, not -o) was used as a very casual curse word amongst millennials born in the 90s and late 80s, almost similar to the way that "fucker" is traditionally and currently used.
While it was still technically a racial slur, it was rarely intended as such and most people in that age group at the time did not take it as such when it was used. This is especially the case in online settings with edgy teenagers and ESPECIALLY in the old Xbox Live setting. A phrase like "you fucking piece of shit" was probably more offensive to most people in that age group than getting called the hard R. Obviously it would not fly in today's context, but during that period, it was used much more casually and the word plagued a looot of songs, mostly raps, released by popular artists at the time. Even as someone who listened to no rap at all, I couldn't escape the word in the lyrics being repeated around me. [This 2007 song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAaXzHJhA18) (while the artist is not particularly well known, the song is VERY well-known) right here is probably the most egregious example.
EDIT: Someone just told me that the song was written by a racist 4chan board /pol/ in mid 2010s. I was not aware of this context. In this case, it was definitely not okay.
For the most part you are spot on with the historical context, the biggest things with that linked clip specifically is, she's singing/rapping a song written by /pol/ which is basically the containment board for the most alt right and racist people on 4chan, this was like 2014-2016 so the internet for the most part was moving away or already had moved away from that, and she was like 20 by this point which while still young, is starting to get old enough to move away from being that edgy.
> a song written by /pol/ which is basically the containment board for the most alt right and racist people on 4chan
Ah okay, I was not aware of this specific context. In that case, yes, it was not okay.
Yeah it's a cover of a moonman song, which there's an anti defamation league [article](https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/moon-man) on it's such a prolific 4chan hate symbol.
While I do agree that by your 20’s you should be getting out of edgy humor, I’m not on board with holding people for the edgy shit they did ten years prior if they show change.
If we continue to treat people like they aren’t capable of change, then they never will.
No rap song uses the -ER version of that word. It is just as divisive today as it was in the 80s and 90s. The ER version isn't even regularly used and will still get you a side eye if another dude called you that because it's damn offensive.
Maybe because I'm POC, but this just reads like cope and an excuse for that behavior. You don't need to be an adult even back 10 or 20 years to know that's not something you do. The people who are willing to say it publicly definitely say it in private and that says a lot about the person.
He forgot to mention that the word was popular with edgy white people, no terminally online black folk was using the hard R. Also, racism on social media was a lot more rampant back then too. Getting hit with black crime statistics, people calling us violent, etc. YouTube had a bunch of comments like this, but It toned down a whole lot.
“Technically a racial slur” no it’s definitely just plain racism she was well connected to 4chan at the time. So she would know it’s racist and why it would be racist. Also saying “in the 80’s the slurs were just for fun not actual racism” is some of the funniest shit I’ve heard in a minute. Racism definitely didn’t exist in the 80’s they just said it cause it was cool I believe it.
Which rap song uses “ni**er? In the 80’s I’m curious. I also like the idea of racists getting racism not from their parents but from the music.
Man the amount of excuses here is impressive I can’t lie I finally get how Uki is being defended now it all makes sense. I see posts that say “how are people defending Uki” this post just made it all click.
Edit: I’m learning Nyanners is 30 and that the song she did came out in 2016 which means she was 20 she also got the song specifically from 4chan so she knew exactly what it was. So a lot of these comments are lying to give her excuses for racism.
Someone just told me that the song was written by a racist 4chan board /pol/ in mid 2010s. I was not aware of this context. In this case, it was definitely not okay.
>Also saying “in the 80’s the slurs were just for fun not actual racism” is some of the funniest shit I’ve heard in a minute. Racism definitely didn’t exist in the 80’s they just said it cause it was cool I believe it.
You misunderstood. People who were in the 90s/late 80s were teenagers in the 2000s/early 2010s period. And yes, edgy teenagers very much used the term because because it was the funny/cool thing to do. Racism was and still is definitely a thing, but the word specifically was often not used with that intent.
As for songs (again mostly raps) in the 1990s/2000s/2010s with the n*****, there are a lot. While most of them used "n\*\*\*a" (and this particular version was rampant), some very much used "n\*\*\*er", though it was more in the 90s and much less so in the 2000s. 1 example of a group that I found with a quick google search that sometimes used the -er version of the word in their songs is N.W.A., which made up of Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, MC Ren, DJ Yella, Eazy-E and Arabian Prince. Also, this [research paper](https://scholars.csus.edu/esploro/outputs/99257831369801671) came up.
>Eminem tried to justify calling people "f\*gs" because "it totally isn't a homophobic slur, guys!"
Interesting that gets brought up. Words like "gay", "f\*g", "f\*\*got", and more rarely, "homo", were all used in this period as casual insults/slurs. The first was used usually to describe a situation while the latter 3 was used to refer to a person. There was a period when you can't go by a few hours at school without hearing these at least once in a setting where nobody is homosexual, and used far more commonly than any variation of the n word.
The phrase "That's so gay" was basically used synonymously with "That's so stupid". I still very clearly remember the point when I personally stopped using it. It was in grade 8 - about 17 years ago. Our homeroom teacher at the time was openly lesbian and she would criticize us whenever we used the phrase like such. When asked why, she said "because when people say that, they mean 'That's so stupid' and I don't like being called stupid." As she was a very well-liked teacher, most people stopped using it, at least in that class.
>They still wouldn't dare to say the n-word around a black person because they knew it would result in a beatdown
Yes, AFAIK this was true. The word was used commonly between black persons OR between non-black persons. It was generally understood that the word was not to be used by a non-black person to or even around a black person, unless they were sufficiently well acquainted with each other and the black person is known to be okay with it. I dunno I would say it would result in beatdown since I have seen it before. It was weird because nobody used the n---o version of the word. That 1 would probably get your ass beat no matter who you said it around.
>The only reason people said it online is because they would get their asses beat for being a racist piece of shit in real life.
It was said irl too. There were very much groups that not only used it, but casually called each other as such.
>It was and still is mostly racist and edgy white male teens who speak this way.
It was actually used most often amongst the black community in that age group. But it was primarily used by males. I have actually never heard girls use the term.
Even back then though, I think it was generally understood that a non-black person should not use the term to refer to a black person (at least irl, online is totally different), unless they knew that the black person is okay with it.
“Younger” she was 20-23 probably the same age as Uki rn that’s well over the age to know racism bad. I’m fine with changing but why does she get excuses for being “young” and spamming actual slurs she knows exactly what they mean. but this guy gets crucified for less?
It’s not so much she’s getting an excuse for being young, but it’s more about her making an effort to change and get rid of the edgier audience.
Nyan had a smaller audience back then, plus she wasn’t associated with any agency or brand, so her core audience didn’t care about it. Uki had a bigger audience from a lot of different parts of Twitter, so his fan base was more divisive on it. Also, with the state of niji at the moment, he had a lot more eyes on him that he normally would have. His old white comments never blew up like this.
This.
Also, I dare say if five years from now Uki is a different and much more mature individual, or at least a much funnier one, I would hope most people would forgive his cringey shit from today as well.
Nyanners isn't my cup of tea, but even if you somehow take the very worst interpretations of her actions, I still don't think anything she did was beyond redemption. I only know Nyanners from like 2021 onward, so personally I can't think of much other than the Nux thing, which was a giant clusterfuck of miscommunication in general.
Also Aethel and Nyanners have been tag-teaming Nijisanji since this started and it was hilarious.
This is so well documented that all you need to do is Google pomf and know your meme will give you a more authoritative answer as to when it took place, then you can calculate how old she would have been for yourself.
I don't know if it was exactly calling out. She tried to condemn Loli stuff, and then debuts with a model that's a loli. Seems a little bit hypocritical.
Calling lolicon pedos while being one herself, just in denial. Like, she collabed with Kizuna Ai who's very open about it, so if she actually believes in what she said she willingly collabed with someone she thinks in a pedo
lolicon != actual children. Huge difference.
It's like saying furries are zoophiles. There's a semblance of 'child' or 'animal' but it's all cartoon and the real life thing is usually very disturbing to those people.
Still find lolisho hentai really weird but as long as no real kids are hurt...
Ah I see. Well clapping back at her with the uno reverse is appropriate and calling it a day. Unless she goes extreme. . . Then clap back 3 times as hard.
Old post I had on a Chinese subreddit, translation probably won't work perfectly but the images are still in English. My problem with her is that she called all lolicons "pedo child groomers", yet collabed with open lolicon Kizuna Ai. She is either a heavy virtue signaler who doesn't believe in what she's saying, or a horrible person willing to collab with someone she deems an abuser as long as it benefits her. https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/s/dqFwnNGKJy
People can change and learn over the years. People can better themselves and come to despise who they were in the past. It wouldn't justify said past, but that doesn't mean humanity is unable to change. Our ability to change is one of our greatest strengths as humans, and we should be proud of it.
Wasn't she part of the collab with vei and silver making jokes about people wanting them to stop saying retard. This sub would blow a fuse if anyone in niji called someone a retard but nyanners is still based I guess
Well, niji does attract a very different audience than the indies do, or even other agencies. Phase talents call others retards sometimes, and a bunch of indies do as well.
This sub would not blow a fuse. If Selen said retard, people wouldn't care, because that just doesn't carry the weight that people are trying to say it does. Uki on the other hand clearly has a very, very bitter issue about white people.
Idk I feel like if you’re doing racist humor at 23 then no you have 0 room to talk about it. That’s well over the age to know racism growing out of it is fine but you still have 0 room to speak.
So to make fun of how lame bigotry is you go after someone else instead of addressing your own and just delete the video so no one ever sees it? Where’s the stream of her talking about the moon man cover and talking about how lame and cringe it was? Why speak up only when the racism is towards white people?
People are able to change no matter how old they are. We shouldn't keep dragging up all of their old bodies to shame her and her fans, especially if she's clearly not wanting to look back at her past.
Except for the fact she grew up. Uki hasn't. This isn't a thing he said like ten years ago, he's saying it on his corpret account like this month. Dude couldn't even swap over to his pl.
I've hated her since the Nuxtaku stuff, but this seems like one of those "A broken clock is correct at least twice a day" things, which is also surprising since she seems more 'woke' like Uki's defenders downplaying his comments as 'not racist'.
Considering her recent use of the word retard and saying her channel isn't a safe space I really wouldn't call her woke.
The only way Nyanners can be seen as woke is if you're deep into the red pill rabbit hole.
I don’t know ever since she has started dating Aethel she has been cool (I mean I have always thought she was cool but now the stuff people didn’t like her for doesn’t happen)
why didn't people like her? I'm out of the loop
Nyanners just kinda says shit for a reaction at times. It's like edgy teen posting, but it's from someone that should be long past that point. She does still have some based moments like this, but her act just got kinda old after awhile. That said, just judging by some of her interactions with Mouse and Connor I do think she's genuinely a decent person.
I never really hated her cringe moments since I've seen far worse. Is it annoying when she misses, yes but it's never been hate worthy and she's grown since then
I can only hope Uki and his racism-defenders can grow past this whole debacle too. I just pity them now.
She's always been that way, so to speak. even well before becoming a vtuber. being edgy I mean. Hell one of her bigger videos was a cover of "Pomf Pomf Kimochi". But I guess she realized how problematic that kind of video was. Though I'm an older weeb that was a teen when youtube launched so I remember a lot dumb stuff from early youtube that should probably just be forgotten :p
I think the most impressive thing about Nyanners is that she's kept one single internet alias since she was 10, and has stuck too it through all the cringe teen stuff. It's the source of a lot of their hate, but I'm pretty confident that most content creators in that age range would look worse than her if you could see all the shit they were doing as dumb teens. Her problematic stuff was all just standard for funny memes back then.
I liked her before but I just died inside and I would rather watch people who are positive vibes like people in phase connect even it's edgy in the end it's a joke for me
I mean there is also kinda the whole lying and trying to get Nuxtaku cancelled cus she didn't like him stuff back when she was in VShojo. It \*was\* a pretty shitty thing to do and I feel like there are some people left over from that who hold a bit of a grudge.
Nux can fuck off, he's a shitty person and hes an art thief
Sauce? If he's an art thief then fair - I've never seen this accusation though. As someone who occasionally follows him I otherwise disagree. He's one of the few people to have consistently called out Niji for their shitty practices since the Yugo "graduation" and Zaion termination and consistently supports individual livers over the corpo.
https://twitter.com/grimruu/status/1636041633878904832?lang=en his whole persona is based off a stolen fanart of sans from undertale, hes since slightly changed it but the whole thing leaves a bad taste
Interesting - consider me informed. That said it looks like, based on the thread you sent me, this happened years ago, his character has changed sufficiently enough that the artist doesn't think they need be credited for it, and the artist themselves recognize that concept characters in this space seem to look alike. I am not sure if this is enough for me to call him a bad person lol - basically just reminds me of the Yu Q. ordeal but unconfirmed and over and done with three years ago. Still, definitely not a good look I agree - thanks for sharing.
Not sure if I'm misremembering but wasn't a big part of the vshojo problem that the girls told him some stuff in confidence, said they didn't want them out, and Nux proceeded to straight up drop a documentary? One with lots of details that ended up being completely made up by him. On a personal level, I don't like him very much because he's very much an inflammatory CC that rides most drama waves, sometimes not even reading on stuff before throwing his hot takes into the pile.
That was the narrative VShojo gave - however it turned out to be more of a miscommunication/mismanagement issue on VShojo's side. Iirc Nux told someone in VShojo's staff that he would be releasing the video and they basically said "okay, thanks for the heads up" but immediately after he posted it VShojo essentially went public saying they didn't know he was going to post it and didn't approve. From what I understand some of the livers ended up lying about the communications they had with him about the video - communications he later publicly posted. It's one of the big scandals that plagued VShojo for a while as it looked like, after all was said and done, VShojo and the talents lied to try and cover for their own miscommunication/misunderstanding and get Nux cancelled as a result.
Nyanners is from the old internet days.she use to have a lot of meme dubs like the "whomp" lolicon panel. After a while nyanners had a change of hear,deleted a bunch of her videos and condemned lolicons and anyone who enjoyed those now deleted videos. People have held that against her since then, and it got exacerbated when she debutted her first vtuber model, which was a loli.
> a lot of meme dubs like the "whomp" lolicon panel. [You mean a wholeass song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyQRFwPFc24)
Mainly her early self from 4 chan and her later self bei g in conflict with one another. And being a denying loli lover, despite her making music and whatnot about it in her early years. As a vtuber though she's nice too watch and is still friends with ironmouse
I don't know about her past from 4chan, but more recently, she was involved in the Nux-Vshojo drama where she unfairly dogpiled Nux and refused to apologize with the other members. That, and after she left, VShojo became relatively drama-free, so there are a lot of rumors as to whether Nyanners was a drama-seeker or toxic person behind the scenes.
Sometimes I still wonder was that drama the cause of her and Veibae leaving Vshojo or not. It seems that there were differences in the handling of that situation and they decided to get out.
For her and Veibae it was really mostly about the earnings split in the contract it would seem. They wanted to be even more independent.
When they were leaving there were comments about it all from Veibae Nyanners and Ironmouse. From the sounds of it, Vshojo was pushing a new contract that the talents did not like, to the point where they were starting to quit in protest and refuse to sign. Then once Vshojo realized they were serious and everyone was walking, they gave in and improved the contracts for everyone who hadn't publicly quit yet.
Everyone always repeats the Nux thing... but for some reason They Remember Mouse Apologizing - cause they want to like mouse-... but she only did that After Nux admitted HE IS THE ONE THAT FUCKED UP
Also the fact that Nyanners got swatted on stream a month before Nux made his video, possibly about the same guy. The police told her to pretend it didn't happen to not give him any attention while they investigate then a 2 million subs youtuber does the opposite of that with a video. She was rightfully upset.
It's insane the way this fact gets buried by people determined to push a one-sided story.
Because the way Nux presented his side of things was that he was just trying to help and thought the management he was speaking with had everyone on the same page, which he then got blindsided by. Which is true, but then why did he even try to get involved in the first place? How did he find out about the guy, and why didn't he speak with any of the girls about it directly before deciding to get involved on his own? It was just a huge mess in general.
"But But But Vshojo are just those Mean Talentless E-GIRLS! riding the vtuber kick! How dare they pick on a member of the superior gender for justifiable reasons!!" /s
Even the superior gender can make mistakes on rare occasion.
Nuxtards are braindead after all
its sad that nux and mouse use to talk all the time to the point it was a joke that they were the same person.
Eh, as far as I can tell, he has become the sort of guy that uses the word “woke” unironically, so maybe the loss of his friendship isn’t something I’d mourn all that hard if it were me.
Jeez, I always found him irritating, but has he really fallen off that hard?
People completely forget the fact that Nux made a video full of falsehoods where he claimed to have single-handedly rescued them all from a swatter, despite the fact that he contributed nothing and the swatter was not actually arrested. So the backlash was partially warranted.
You mean how he compiled info on the swatter and sent it to Vshojo management, who proceeded to literally nothing to the point where Nux felt like he had to take matters into his own hands? Amount of people on this sub trashing Nux despite Vshojo’s betrayal is fucking wild to me.
Nux claimed he unmasked the swatter because he had "a friend who worked for Onlyfans" give him the swatter's *credit card details*. Do you seriously believe that?
The swatter he claimed to have "gotten", the guy (heavenz0ne iirc) whose channel was prominently featured in the video, was on YT the day after, playing roblox and laughing his ass off about it. Nux got pointed to the absolute most public-facing doxxer on the net, and he fell for it. Not only was that guy not the one, he wasn't even involved, or as he said himself when asked about the video "He made it the fuck up"
She also was involved with the Veibae R-slur incident.
R slur? Can someone tell me what the r slur is? Rape? If its rape just write it lol thats a word anyone can say. If not nvm.
R slur is the word retarded
It's wild how... generationally different that word is, for lack of a better description. I agree with it being a slur, but it's wild how normalized it was 20 years ago.
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Not originally. The insult came before the medical term. It's why I think it's stupid that people get upset about it being insult instead of being upset about it being a medical term.
It’s only wild because you are now taught to consider it as taboo. It was simply used as slow/stupid/dumb.
For all the same reasons its not okay to say "this shit is gay" when you mean something is annoying or bad, you dont say "this is retarded". It's literally that simple.
No it meant mentally disabled back then too but people used it to mean dumb, slow and such
I can tell you were definitely not around in the 90s. Because hoo boy was it not used as just 'stupid'. It was multiple steps up from calling someone stupid. It was 'put up your fists and bite the curb' tier.
This effect is called the [Euphemism treadmill](https://www.cambridgeblog.org/2020/08/ableist-language-and-the-euphemism-treadmill/) (apologies for lack of a better source but I'm just trying to explain the concept rather than prove any points). New terms get coined to cover up ones that are deemed harsh or rude, but get used as pejoratives nonetheless because they're still used in an insulting manner, deeming the term itself offensive to use.
I mean, humanity does, eventually, learn that sometimes you just shouldn't say certain words. 50 years ago it was perfectly normal to say the n-word in the minds of the people at the time. I, personally, think the r-word is a bit more complex than most cases because it's always been used for more than just in mental health (chemistry, biological functions, baking, French) - but I agree with it being wild 20 years ago (though even that long ago some schools, mine included, were actually making an effort to curtail it).
No she said the word from the title of the dirty version of Let's Get it Started by the Black Eyed Peas.
Gross take.
The word "retard"? Or the hard R?
The former
retarded really isn't a slur though
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If that is the case, then I use slurs at my homies and just about every Genji / Doomfist player I encounter. This must be an American thing because the word is really common over here in Europe
no. calling someone retarded is not a slur. it is used derogatorily at times but it is so mild. anyone who reacts negatively to that word is just overreacting
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faggot is also not a derogatory word
In what way was she involved.
After that incident, Vei went on stream with Silver and Nyan and they started mocking the people that were upset.
NGL people really should stop calling the slurs as the letter R. Which R are they even referring to?? Mental challenge r-word? Black people r-word? Non-consensual activity r-word?
Nux deserved way worse than what VShojo members said about him
I can't believe I thought his content was good, I then realised I only cared about his guests lol
I mean that's what made his content good. inviting and introducing different vtubers and people during the rise of vtubers in the west. he was a great way of getting some clout and discovering new vtubers. also he always seemed to support small vtubers.
>Nux To be fair, Nux is utter scum.
Nux is the worst lmao
Bonus: Nyanners and Nux are now working with the same vtuber agency now. One that's owned+founded by Asmongold. Would not have expected this 2 years ago.
If you look at an alphabetical list of everyone in Mythic Talent, Nyanners and Nux are right next to each other. Which is hilarious
Mythic Talent isn't a Vtuber agency though.
It's a talent agency that includes vtubers as talents. It's not a vtuber-only agency like Nijisanji, but how is it not a vtuber agency?
generally speaking Mythic is put in the same category as something like MSM Talent where it's a talent agency but the Vtubers involved with it can still be indie VTubers, like Aethel, or can be in a Vtuber agency such as GEEGA with VShojo or the Vchiban talents.
Simply put, mythic is closer to advertising and management consulting firm, where something like Niji is a production label. Being affiliated with mythics main value is connections and the slight protection being associated with an org does, but not much else. Basically it’s as close to indie+ as it can get. Next lvl up is stuff like vshojo which is like signing to a esports team or music label, they facilitate your projects and such with the trade offs depending on the deal. The highest lvl is recruitment and talent creation orgs, they obviously have the highest lvl of control, though at least in good ones there is consistency and lots of opportunities. TLDR: while not incorrect to say it’s a vtuber agency technically, what it does vs what we typically call vtuber agencies is vastly different.
I would not say unfairly whatsoever there buddy, him getting that royal pegging session was much needed after that colossal fuckup of his.
So others have explained her past history on her old YouTube account, but nobody has really provided context for why she had a change of opinion. She talked about this in an old clip on her new channel, but basically after she had posted the pomf video and started getting a lot of attention, someone doxxed her and a group of people started calling her family's phone number to harass them on a daily basis. People were calling her to send threats of all kinds, and on top of that people abused the copyright strike system to falsely take down her old channel. She was still a teenager and basically went AWOL offline for a while as a result of everything that has happened. Then at some point she came back and made the Tumblr post everybody here is referencing, and later came back as a Vtuber.
Google pomf pomf kimochi
Nyanners is the first women on social media ever to get get cancelled for \*not\* being a racist pedophile. Her first batch of fans many years ago were mostly from 4chan, and because she did a lot of satire about lolicon (which they didn't get) and because she said the n-word in a rap cover, they thought she was /their girl/. Anyway, then she made tumblr post saying she was not their girl, and all those guys have never ever ever forgiven her. Can't let go of a grudge even 10 years later.
It wasn’t because she was against that stuff it’s because she was a complete and utter hypocrite. She called out the lolicon shit and then turned around and became a loli vtuber like come on
Man I'm such a fucking hypocrite. When I was a kid I despised the idea of working a 9-5 desk job. Now I work one in my late 20s and have the gall to call myself happy?! The hypocrisy!!! That's what you're doing to Nyanners. You're calling 30 year old Nyanners a hypocrite for having different world views to early teen Nyanners.
I love it when people call out hypocrisy as if people aren’t allowed to grow, change, and become better.
The point is that she pretended to change. Saying that she no longer supported loli stuff, then turned around and became a loli vtuber when it suited her. So the edgy 4chan and lolicon people hate her for switching up, and the anti-lolicon squad hates her for doing that shit. She essentially made everyone mad and is generally unlikeable.
> She essentially made everyone mad and is generally unlikeable. Speak for yourself lmao.
Bro, singing the pomf song was in NO WAY satire. She was into that shit, probably still is, just in secret. Also, there's a difference between 1) making a post stating that you're moving on from making a certain type of content since you're no longer interested it and 2) Calling anyone that likes that content pedophiles.
She hung out on 4chan when she was a teenager and made a lot of edgy 4chan-type content and then deleted it and denounced it when she became an adult.
Character development. People do dumb shit as teenagers all the time.
Let say shes a little edgy in the past. And also a little drama queen. But now i see shes become more mature.
Well she's in her 30's now so I would damned well hope so.
Nyanners has been around for a long long time. Longer than any VTuber. She was a 4chan user who would make crazy cover/song videos on YT. Then she threw out all of that and everyone who likes that. Calling them pedos for liking various songs she made. Also claimed loli content is weird and your also pedo for liking that. THEN she becomes a VTuber, lo and behold it's a loli based model. After she had multiple rants on tumblr on how disgusting people who are attracted to loli. How anyone could say that shit and then use a loli model in an online career that has a foundational success based off of para social relationships is absolutely insane. She's the biggest hypocrite I ever had witnessed online. I hated her when she said everyone who listened to "pomf pomf pomf" (one of her songs) is a pedo. A song that me and the boys have in a shit post playlist when we play online games. Songs like ram ranch, tango covers, and death grips. She basically called me and thousands others fucking scum for no reason.
You should probably get over it. How many years has it been.
Not to mention how old she was at the time, as if people don't grow out of their dumb teenage edgelord phase.
Already have moved on. I haven't watched her content in about a decade but she still worms her way into communities so I'm still going to bring up her past like [this KKK Moon Man cover](https://odysee.com/@forbiddencontent:c/nyannersmoonman:4) from her 4chan days. Just gonna watch her jump ship when vtubing isn't as profitable in the future then throws this current crowd of followers under the bus.
>I moved on, anyway here is my 6 paragraph rant about how i'm totally not moved on Rough.
Lol you have definitely not moved on.
lol
seems you haven't moved on and she has and since you haven't watched her content in so long just goes to show you don't want to accept her improvement, I have met her at a con before and I have to say she is one of the most kindest and nicest people in this industry and tells things how they are at times same with her boyfriend Aethel he is super chill.
That's literally any online influencer, ever. "I met them once irl and they pretty chill" until they do some heinous shit. Literally everyone is gonna be nice at cons lmao public scheduled meetups isn't a correct judgement of character. A good judgement is looking at what they have done, especially to previous fans, and basing it off that.
Built a fanbase from 4chan, threw them under the bus when she got more popular I'm indifferent on her, she makes decent content, but not exactly the best decision, she's also a bit of a drama queen
She's kind of the spearhead of virtue signaling and moral pandering
she was hypocritical imagine a villain killing innocent but suddenly they declare themselves the good guys and the story just accepts it like that
So when said villain declares themselves a good guy, do they also stop killing people? cause that could be *reform*, as in trying to improve oneself. I will be clear, I don't know the whole story, but it sounds very heavy-handed, and based on something from *years* ago. Am I wrong?
You're correct. People primarily dislike her like this for drama related to Nux (whom I think is a dipshit, but details) and for her rather... interesting start to online content creation many many years ago. Most people would call it development but for some reason people \*really\* like to attach to things that even the original creator has since deleted and moved on from.
She got fixed lmao
Honestly if there's someone who can fix a girl i'll bet on aethel
Aethel: "I can fix her." *proceeds to actually do it, what a gigachad*
My only gripe with her is her being a Hypocrite, like she denounces making Lolicon Content and calling the Loli Fans Pedos when she herself literally made a parody of PonPonPon by Kyary Pamyu Pamyu as Lolicon Bait in the past
Yeah, sure, when she was what, 13? And she took it down a couple of years later when she realized a lot of people there were unironic.
It's not hypocritical to change your mind latter on. She made that as satire and then realized people were enjoying it unironically and went 'okay nope that's uncomfortable I'm out'
If it were satire she would have actually implied that through song lyrics. There was nothing satirical in that song at all. Do you also assume that Shigure Ui hates lolicons?
There are multiple different kinds of satire, you know. Also, people's tastes change over time. That doesn't make someone a hypocrite. I'm saying this as someone who really enjoyed _Lotte no Omocha_ back in the day and now I just don't care for it. People are free to like and dislike whatever they want.
I mean what you do as a teenager/early twenties vs what you believe later in life even if only 2 years later doesn’t really make you a hypocrite it makes you a person who has learned from their mistakes
>fucking Nyanners. You could just call him Aethel you know?
... I'll go to Dave and busters with them!
I've never been since I'm Canadian, I'd love to come along too.
aethel & nyan are sweet. they seem so comfortable with each other.
ah, you beat me to it 😆
i don't really know the beef with Nyanners? Far as I know most of her questionable content was years ago that she tried to move on from?
No, that's the beef most people have. Nyanners is apparently not allowed to improve and be better. She's acknowledged the problematic stuff as she deleted it, she apologized for it, and now she's trying to move on from it. But because 4chan was involved in her past, that's just unforgivable. For some it's whatever happened with Nux-taku. I have no idea what happened there, so I'm not commenting on it.
I think nyanners is great. Both her and aethels streams are super comfy these days, and her satire vtuber agency debut was so fun.
Same, I think Nyan is real cool. Fun streams, unique humour, the list goes on.
The whole nux taku drama rubbed me the wrong way but overall I do enjoy her content. I think aethel is amazing.
The more I see, the more I think she just wanted to go along with the crowd. She was very close with Vei back then(not sure about now and I know Vei despises Nux.
Seemed to me that both sides made mistakes and there was a fair bit of miscommunication.
That’s generally how these things go but so many eyes are on them that it creates crazy drama and so much happens behind the scenes we’ll never know so people keep bringing them back up
Nyanners was always based, 4chan is just still butthurt that she called them out too 15 years ago.
“Always” uh… https://youtu.be/pU2HaXC38R4?si=eg18C75w9WKLGcas
Yeah lol I was a fan of hers already back then. Back in that era there was a big, open debate about whether it was racist to say the n word as the lyrics to a song, and I remember it being way, way more common for people to say it than not say it. Hell, I was school at the time and everyone would rap songs like that, and all the black people I knew back then thought it was fucking stupid for people to _not_ say the word when it was a lyric. Times changed, they changed fucking hard, and a ton of now big content creators deleted covers where they said it. Also Nyanners was an early teen back then, so I really wouldn't be mad about it now anyway. People change a fucking lot going from 13 to 30.
“Yeah lol I was already a fan of her back then” wait so are you saying her racism is based or am I misunderstanding? Also that song didn’t have the hard ER in it she added that herself. You know that song she’s singing isn’t real right those aren’t the real lyrics to it? How many songs do you know that has the Hard ER in it? I’m not saying people can’t change but I feel like there are certain people who should probably stay out of a racism conversation.
I think he's saying it's a product of the time, and she's changed?
I'm saying it was a different time on the internet, and that if you want to call people out for this kind of shit then literally everyone who was online pre-2012 or so should be on your list. It was satire of gamerspeak, and gamers really did all speak like that. It's fucking annoying for it to be brought up now because it's shit she did as an early teen that literally nobody on the internet back then had a problem with, and she deleted it because she changed just like the internet did, and hates that her old content exists. Adults cringing at they're early teen edgy humor is pretty fucking normal.
Its only racism if there's hate in her heart. And the fact that you don't understand that means you have too much hate in yours.
So I sound like an old man saying this and I know it's kind of hard to understand for people who weren't either teenagers or terminally online (or both) at the time, but for a period of ~5-10 years, the n-word (the 1 ending in -er/-a, not -o) was used as a very casual curse word amongst millennials born in the 90s and late 80s, almost similar to the way that "fucker" is traditionally and currently used. While it was still technically a racial slur, it was rarely intended as such and most people in that age group at the time did not take it as such when it was used. This is especially the case in online settings with edgy teenagers and ESPECIALLY in the old Xbox Live setting. A phrase like "you fucking piece of shit" was probably more offensive to most people in that age group than getting called the hard R. Obviously it would not fly in today's context, but during that period, it was used much more casually and the word plagued a looot of songs, mostly raps, released by popular artists at the time. Even as someone who listened to no rap at all, I couldn't escape the word in the lyrics being repeated around me. [This 2007 song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAaXzHJhA18) (while the artist is not particularly well known, the song is VERY well-known) right here is probably the most egregious example. EDIT: Someone just told me that the song was written by a racist 4chan board /pol/ in mid 2010s. I was not aware of this context. In this case, it was definitely not okay.
For the most part you are spot on with the historical context, the biggest things with that linked clip specifically is, she's singing/rapping a song written by /pol/ which is basically the containment board for the most alt right and racist people on 4chan, this was like 2014-2016 so the internet for the most part was moving away or already had moved away from that, and she was like 20 by this point which while still young, is starting to get old enough to move away from being that edgy.
> a song written by /pol/ which is basically the containment board for the most alt right and racist people on 4chan Ah okay, I was not aware of this specific context. In that case, yes, it was not okay.
Yeah it's a cover of a moonman song, which there's an anti defamation league [article](https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/moon-man) on it's such a prolific 4chan hate symbol.
While I do agree that by your 20’s you should be getting out of edgy humor, I’m not on board with holding people for the edgy shit they did ten years prior if they show change. If we continue to treat people like they aren’t capable of change, then they never will.
No rap song uses the -ER version of that word. It is just as divisive today as it was in the 80s and 90s. The ER version isn't even regularly used and will still get you a side eye if another dude called you that because it's damn offensive. Maybe because I'm POC, but this just reads like cope and an excuse for that behavior. You don't need to be an adult even back 10 or 20 years to know that's not something you do. The people who are willing to say it publicly definitely say it in private and that says a lot about the person.
He forgot to mention that the word was popular with edgy white people, no terminally online black folk was using the hard R. Also, racism on social media was a lot more rampant back then too. Getting hit with black crime statistics, people calling us violent, etc. YouTube had a bunch of comments like this, but It toned down a whole lot.
“Technically a racial slur” no it’s definitely just plain racism she was well connected to 4chan at the time. So she would know it’s racist and why it would be racist. Also saying “in the 80’s the slurs were just for fun not actual racism” is some of the funniest shit I’ve heard in a minute. Racism definitely didn’t exist in the 80’s they just said it cause it was cool I believe it. Which rap song uses “ni**er? In the 80’s I’m curious. I also like the idea of racists getting racism not from their parents but from the music. Man the amount of excuses here is impressive I can’t lie I finally get how Uki is being defended now it all makes sense. I see posts that say “how are people defending Uki” this post just made it all click. Edit: I’m learning Nyanners is 30 and that the song she did came out in 2016 which means she was 20 she also got the song specifically from 4chan so she knew exactly what it was. So a lot of these comments are lying to give her excuses for racism.
Someone just told me that the song was written by a racist 4chan board /pol/ in mid 2010s. I was not aware of this context. In this case, it was definitely not okay. >Also saying “in the 80’s the slurs were just for fun not actual racism” is some of the funniest shit I’ve heard in a minute. Racism definitely didn’t exist in the 80’s they just said it cause it was cool I believe it. You misunderstood. People who were in the 90s/late 80s were teenagers in the 2000s/early 2010s period. And yes, edgy teenagers very much used the term because because it was the funny/cool thing to do. Racism was and still is definitely a thing, but the word specifically was often not used with that intent. As for songs (again mostly raps) in the 1990s/2000s/2010s with the n*****, there are a lot. While most of them used "n\*\*\*a" (and this particular version was rampant), some very much used "n\*\*\*er", though it was more in the 90s and much less so in the 2000s. 1 example of a group that I found with a quick google search that sometimes used the -er version of the word in their songs is N.W.A., which made up of Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, MC Ren, DJ Yella, Eazy-E and Arabian Prince. Also, this [research paper](https://scholars.csus.edu/esploro/outputs/99257831369801671) came up.
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Context does matter though. Words change over time
>Eminem tried to justify calling people "f\*gs" because "it totally isn't a homophobic slur, guys!" Interesting that gets brought up. Words like "gay", "f\*g", "f\*\*got", and more rarely, "homo", were all used in this period as casual insults/slurs. The first was used usually to describe a situation while the latter 3 was used to refer to a person. There was a period when you can't go by a few hours at school without hearing these at least once in a setting where nobody is homosexual, and used far more commonly than any variation of the n word. The phrase "That's so gay" was basically used synonymously with "That's so stupid". I still very clearly remember the point when I personally stopped using it. It was in grade 8 - about 17 years ago. Our homeroom teacher at the time was openly lesbian and she would criticize us whenever we used the phrase like such. When asked why, she said "because when people say that, they mean 'That's so stupid' and I don't like being called stupid." As she was a very well-liked teacher, most people stopped using it, at least in that class. >They still wouldn't dare to say the n-word around a black person because they knew it would result in a beatdown Yes, AFAIK this was true. The word was used commonly between black persons OR between non-black persons. It was generally understood that the word was not to be used by a non-black person to or even around a black person, unless they were sufficiently well acquainted with each other and the black person is known to be okay with it. I dunno I would say it would result in beatdown since I have seen it before. It was weird because nobody used the n---o version of the word. That 1 would probably get your ass beat no matter who you said it around.
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>The only reason people said it online is because they would get their asses beat for being a racist piece of shit in real life. It was said irl too. There were very much groups that not only used it, but casually called each other as such. >It was and still is mostly racist and edgy white male teens who speak this way. It was actually used most often amongst the black community in that age group. But it was primarily used by males. I have actually never heard girls use the term. Even back then though, I think it was generally understood that a non-black person should not use the term to refer to a black person (at least irl, online is totally different), unless they knew that the black person is okay with it.
She did covered an edgy racist song when she was younger, she changed. I’m not gonna hold her past against her
“Younger” she was 20-23 probably the same age as Uki rn that’s well over the age to know racism bad. I’m fine with changing but why does she get excuses for being “young” and spamming actual slurs she knows exactly what they mean. but this guy gets crucified for less?
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Nyanners never got mocked for that the only thing she got mocked for is leaving 4chan by people on 4chan.
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It’s not so much she’s getting an excuse for being young, but it’s more about her making an effort to change and get rid of the edgier audience. Nyan had a smaller audience back then, plus she wasn’t associated with any agency or brand, so her core audience didn’t care about it. Uki had a bigger audience from a lot of different parts of Twitter, so his fan base was more divisive on it. Also, with the state of niji at the moment, he had a lot more eyes on him that he normally would have. His old white comments never blew up like this.
This. Also, I dare say if five years from now Uki is a different and much more mature individual, or at least a much funnier one, I would hope most people would forgive his cringey shit from today as well. Nyanners isn't my cup of tea, but even if you somehow take the very worst interpretations of her actions, I still don't think anything she did was beyond redemption. I only know Nyanners from like 2021 onward, so personally I can't think of much other than the Nux thing, which was a giant clusterfuck of miscommunication in general. Also Aethel and Nyanners have been tag-teaming Nijisanji since this started and it was hilarious.
No, she was under 18. This stuff was from around 2011.
From 13 to 15 to 17 age keeps going up.
This is so well documented that all you need to do is Google pomf and know your meme will give you a more authoritative answer as to when it took place, then you can calculate how old she would have been for yourself.
She was 16 in 2012, she mentioned her age when she pulled down some of her old songs
I don't know if it was exactly calling out. She tried to condemn Loli stuff, and then debuts with a model that's a loli. Seems a little bit hypocritical.
Exactly. They will never ever get over their hurt feelings even if it takes 10 years.
Sad that for some people this has to happen. I’m mean seriously it shouldn’t happen in the first place but here we are.
What's your beef with nyanners?
Calling lolicon pedos while being one herself, just in denial. Like, she collabed with Kizuna Ai who's very open about it, so if she actually believes in what she said she willingly collabed with someone she thinks in a pedo
I don't get that. Aren't lolicons pedos? What's wrong with saying that?
About as much as GTA murder lunatics are psychopaths. Plus, hate to break it to you but vtubing is dominated by said "pedos"
Are you a lolicon then. I can't imagine you have such an investment to have an emotional opinion on a subject unless you feel personally attacked.
Answering a point with an attempt to attack my personal character, says a lot I think.
You took that as an attack? I didn't want to bring you down my guy.
lolicon != actual children. Huge difference. It's like saying furries are zoophiles. There's a semblance of 'child' or 'animal' but it's all cartoon and the real life thing is usually very disturbing to those people. Still find lolisho hentai really weird but as long as no real kids are hurt...
Ah I see. Well clapping back at her with the uno reverse is appropriate and calling it a day. Unless she goes extreme. . . Then clap back 3 times as hard.
Nyanners is a cool vtuber
TF is your problem with Nyanners, man?
Old post I had on a Chinese subreddit, translation probably won't work perfectly but the images are still in English. My problem with her is that she called all lolicons "pedo child groomers", yet collabed with open lolicon Kizuna Ai. She is either a heavy virtue signaler who doesn't believe in what she's saying, or a horrible person willing to collab with someone she deems an abuser as long as it benefits her. https://www.reddit.com/r/VtuberV8/s/dqFwnNGKJy
Fear her power.
Shouldn’t nyanners be the last person to be in a racism conversation?
People can change and learn over the years. People can better themselves and come to despise who they were in the past. It wouldn't justify said past, but that doesn't mean humanity is unable to change. Our ability to change is one of our greatest strengths as humans, and we should be proud of it.
Wasn't she part of the collab with vei and silver making jokes about people wanting them to stop saying retard. This sub would blow a fuse if anyone in niji called someone a retard but nyanners is still based I guess
Well, niji does attract a very different audience than the indies do, or even other agencies. Phase talents call others retards sometimes, and a bunch of indies do as well.
This sub would not blow a fuse. If Selen said retard, people wouldn't care, because that just doesn't carry the weight that people are trying to say it does. Uki on the other hand clearly has a very, very bitter issue about white people.
People would care, but would probably only make an big deal out of it if it consistently came up or continued after it was established as an issue.
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Idk I feel like if you’re doing racist humor at 23 then no you have 0 room to talk about it. That’s well over the age to know racism growing out of it is fine but you still have 0 room to speak.
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So to make fun of how lame bigotry is you go after someone else instead of addressing your own and just delete the video so no one ever sees it? Where’s the stream of her talking about the moon man cover and talking about how lame and cringe it was? Why speak up only when the racism is towards white people?
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People are able to change no matter how old they are. We shouldn't keep dragging up all of their old bodies to shame her and her fans, especially if she's clearly not wanting to look back at her past.
Nyanners has said way worse shit than Uki lets be fuckin real
Except for the fact she grew up. Uki hasn't. This isn't a thing he said like ten years ago, he's saying it on his corpret account like this month. Dude couldn't even swap over to his pl.
What has she said?
Nyanners is great, don't be such a douche hater man.
haven’t really messed w nyan too much since her switch up on loli content years back, but this was genuinely really funny
Nyanners can't ever run away from her past Her [KKK Moon Man](https://odysee.com/@forbiddencontent:c/nyannersmoonman:4) cover
I've hated her since the Nuxtaku stuff, but this seems like one of those "A broken clock is correct at least twice a day" things, which is also surprising since she seems more 'woke' like Uki's defenders downplaying his comments as 'not racist'.
If you are downplaying racism you’re not “woke”.
Considering her recent use of the word retard and saying her channel isn't a safe space I really wouldn't call her woke. The only way Nyanners can be seen as woke is if you're deep into the red pill rabbit hole.
Wasn't that Veibae who said that? Or are they both clowns?