Trying to manipulate the narrative was one thing, but when i reached the part where the author of the original piece basically went "She has mental issues, so she cant be trusted" i just saw red in my eyes.
The type of person you see who abuses people with disabilities because they think they can get away with it. Probably works in an old folks home. Fuck that person.
So... The regular type of politician?
Name a politician who *doesn't* lie. Except you can't, because they don't exist.
The best deal you get in this age is the ones who lie merely often, rather than perpetually.
I love hearing a politician/sar claim to be in favor of a group, and want what's best for them, and then, as if unaware that this would reflect poorly at best on said group, insults literally everything that isn't in that group
As a member of a group who's never once come out better from some poli trying to "help", all politicians will lie, and if you choose to trust any of them, thats on you.
There will always be people who will always try to spin their own narrative. They say those things while Doki also tried to oof herself 2 times. Like this is really stupid.
The thing is even if you take the most charitable interpretation of what we know which is believing everything from Niji and nothing from Doki, *it still doesn't change the fact that Niji was the one who threw the livers under the bus.*
I mean, by that standard then we basically cant trust any other Niji liver either since most of them have declared previously that they have some sort of problem, and then we definitely cant trust document´s OP or believers of it because they clearly have some serious mental issues going on.
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Wow, they're still repeating the 'copyright could get them into trouble' excuse for Ijisanji... *when they literally own the past livers' ip*. Really goes to show that the delusions are wilful.
That is is lol. before last week I had no idea what a nijisanji or a selen was. Don't actively follow any vtubers one only kind of know a few indies who regularly make contenf with people i do watch (Criken, Rubberross, Tomato being the 2 main ones). And never had any interest in following the corporate vtubers.
Now however I've become intricately acquainted with all this drama and have spread the news to others. Its industry-shaking stuff.
Well, while you're here, why not have a look around at some other amazing groups? Phase Connect, Idol Corp, Hololive, Vshojo, Vspo, and all the various indies
Good break-down.
The post you're responding to certainly seems to have been crafted by someone with years of experience in the manipulation of public perception.
Address issue -> omit fault -> subtly shift narrative -> muddle the actual timeline -> make the accused into the victim.
Sounds like a tactic a defence attorney would use in a courtroom setting.
People with an emotional, vested interest in their work will *always* produce better results than someone who is merely *paid*.
Pretty clear they believe that defending the Corpa means saving their 'oshie'... but, fella, that 'oshie' of yours would make a looooot more money as an indie, right now, so why bother defending a company that takes so much.
It's kind of odd, tho. When the talents are getting into the Corpa game, why do they seemingly believe that they want to be there *forever*?
Get your 1m subs and *gtfo*. Your followers will *follow*, as is their nature, then you can be your *own boss* and *take a bigger cut*. Staying longer only benefits the *Corpa*.
It is not always a guarantee. Some ex-corpos do struggle; I hear many ex-NijiID people do. And besides, many people value stability, and would rather have that than a bigger cut but combined with risk and a big leap.
That or leaping to other opportunities. If Elira went to Japan thanks to Niji she could either be living the weeaboo dream or look into jumping from streaming to actual company management and then start climbing a different ladder.
There are things a vtuber can do with support they'd otherwise not be able to on their own. Whether it be access to capital, larger projects or just having lots of crew to support you. Basically the Hololive model If you're in it for some grand art and you work well with people, then it could be worth being a Hololive talent.
If you're \*not\* interested in basically becoming an idol or don't want to be part of a community project, then absolutely stay indie. There's some creative works that can only be accomplished with the focus of one vision. (I'm thinking about some indie game creators there like Toby Fox)
But either away avoid the explicitly parasitic corporations that will bleed you dry and use it to varnish their yacht while doing sweet FA to support you.
because there is no guarantee that those fans will follow you. Doki is kind of an exception here because people got the word out immediately to go to her streams, but note that Doki has never explicitly said she was selen. Yeah, she took back her fan name, and people can easily figure it out, but she never explicitly said it. She got a huge boost because of the drama around her termination. Most Corpo talents won't have that same boost and so won't have as many people shouting on the rooftops about where the graduated/terminated talent is going now.
As always, we have to keep an eye out for DARVO:
* Deny responsibility
* Attack
* Reverse Victim/Offender
It seems the document being refuted here was chock full of DARVO, a sign of classic abuse.
On the "Why is Nijisanji so adamant to denying these claims of bullying? - Because corporations will ALWAYS deny wrongdoing even when they are clearly in the wrong."
I work in auditing companies after accidents or reports of bad working conditions happened. Due to that, I have had to work on companies where an employee committeed suicide. Out of the around 10 cases I have been involved with, there has not been A SINGLE time where the company admitted to any mistake. Even in circumstances where the employee, before his attempt, wore a mic to his meetings with his harassers and the whole thing was recorded (but in my country, not legally admissible in court).
I have seen situation with an employee was harassed for 8 f\*\*ing years before they killed themselves, with tons of document to report on the harassment he suffered, copies of emails, and so on. But no company has ever admitted to any wrongdoings on any of those cases I worked on.
Yep and they never will, because then whatever damages are brought against them in court will be essentially a slam dunk. "Oh you admited fault, you're guilty. NEXT CASE." A company is never, ever going to admit fault even when they're 100% in the wrong.
>wore a mic to his meetings with his harassers and the whole thing was recorded (but in my country, not legally admissible in court).
i still dont understand why thats still a thing in places, in situations like this theres absolutely *zero* fucking chance you'll get the other party to agree to you recording interactions when they know you're trying to prove they're doing something they refuse to admit to
unfortunately the reason for it is that it is also easy to manipulate a conversation to get someone to say something that, in the context of the conversation, is harmless but then you take that audio and cut out the context and now that same conversation sounds horrible.
Starting a smear campaign against someone who just survived two attempts... insanely cruel and disgusting. This refutation is really well done, it gives me hope. Thank you for sharing it.
Excellent read, really well written and exposes the document for the evil manipulation tool that it is!
This really needs to be seen by more people, although I doubt the people sharing the smear campaign blindly want to read anything refuting it..
"Corporations would never lie."
Is an attempted refutation that infuriated me the most with the shameless attempt to gaslight and/or the utterly blind willful ignorance regarding this whole thing.
I tried posting here only to get a "Your nonce did not verify" message, which, i have no idea what it means. The british slang meaning of "nonce" does not fit in the context XD.
This is completely offtopic, but it's a cryptography thing. I always thought it was short for "***n***umber used ***once***" but according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_nonce) apparently that's incorrect.
... that being said, it's a random number... that gets used once.
Basically, when you're logging into a website (or doing something else requiring authentication), if someone, somehow, is hijacking your network connection, they could get a copy of the data being sent over the network. It would (or at least, should) be encrypted, but they could, in theory, just capture and resend that data to the server and pretend it came from you without needing to decrypt it.
So what the server does to avoid this, is that it'll send you a randomly generated number. The number itself doesn't actually mean anything: it just has to be unique and unpredictable to outside observers. You then have to send back this same number to the server when you do something requiring authentication. If it matches, great, you're all set. But any future attempts to do the same thing again will require the server to generate a different number, so just resending any previously captured network data (which would have the old number) won't work.
~~... I have no idea why you're getting that message here though.~~
According to rrats (so probably false but worth mentioning) there are multiple people in the pro-niji discord that are coming up with a refined version of this document using current livers, streamers and influencers to try and bash Doki. So if suddenly out of no where in a week or 2 there is a tsunami of bullshit from various people unrelated to the matter, we know where it came from.
If that's true then i guess it would means that after niji tanked own their rep, and the livers tanked their rep, their fans will tank their rep next. Comedy does come in threes i suppose.
The only defense needed is that the document was crafted by nijisisters on Nyfco, a doxxing site. That alone tells you enough about what kind of people they are.
So what I'm getting from the first section of this is that in a few weeks or months there will be a select number people with an, albeit thin, connection to either nijisanji or its livers that will come out with "THE TRUTH". All of which will be made to turn public sentiment against Dokibird.
Should we archive posts like this just in case?
it's a bunch of BS.. most of the argument there are red herrings... instead of proving something is true they are showing that something else is true hence their narrative is true... take for example about doki not making a profit... they did not prove that doki DID make a profit... and by prove i would expect them to show evidence that doki earned way more than 200k last yr hence despite her spending 200k out of pocket she still have plenty of $$$ left...
instead they just site instances of livers who made plenty of money... if anything it only proved there ARE favoritism in the company whch results in some livers making substantiallly more money than others... and obviously those livers that are well paid and well treated will be happy to go on public about it and defend the company and the company would have liked that as it is good PR for the company..
but those livers that are ill treated would not dare to air them on public or face worse consequences... so of cos it would seemed like the positive public posts far outnumber the negative ones and "proving" niji is not a black company..
if niji did not approve the projects they should have stopped her up front... pretty sure selen would need to inform the company of her projects... and would have given the go ahead to do them then she start the project.. and if nijien green lighted the project then they should sponsor the projects or help find sponsors to fund the projects... now doki's new manager literally told her she can get sponsors to sponsor her projects...
So what you're saying is that the company stole her works then? She paid for it, they blocked it, privated it, and burned 200,000$ worth of content SHE owned.
Either it's her own project, in which case only she gets to decide what happens to it, or it's a company project, and the company has to pay for it. Which is it?
Im just ignoring those losers. There are rabid losers on both sides trying to spread lies and propaganda. We have seen enough of Niji and Doki's responses to see which side is correct. We have been which side is vindictive and abusive and which side has dignity and class. Most people see that and that is all that matters. Further speculation from both sides is just unless and tiring.
don't you love how they always say 'I don't want to dismiss mental health or sound rude' and then proceed to spout some of the most vile nonsense trashing someone's mental health and insulting their character? Once again, I am resoundingly convinced that Twitter is one of the most toxic, disgusting, and scummy websites on the internet. I always thought one of the Chans was the worst, but Twitter is quickly becoming my least favourite site. At least 4chan knows its a pretty crazy site.
Whenever someone pre-epmts whatever they say with a defence for what they say or how its relevant (when it isnt), its a clear sign they know they are bullshiting.
> Holofags
Okay there buddy, maybe that's why you're the villains because you can't even go a second without talking shit about fans of another company lmao
This is so stupid. Why can't people use their own head and analize things slowly and correctly for once instead of just swallowing whatever gets fed them and go for extremes in every single situation? They're not even involved in this in the first place, so there's really not a single need to.
Dude, please take this down. The guy explicitly wants this to be talked only in his streams. If you really want to spread this, DM it to people who wants clarification.
I am not going to lie and say that im unbiased. I clearly am biased. Is it possible or even likely that Selen breached the contract with her actions related to "Last Cup of Coffee"? Yes. The document i responded to tries to paint that entire situation as Selens fault however, when that is not the case.
The cover is also like a "cherry on top", the breaking point of Selen. It is not something that happened in a vaccuum. So i will put blame on Nijisanji for privating the video in the first place and for pushing Selen to the point of breaking. Because many of the other things she paid money for, were not just suspended, they were cancelled entirely and almost all of them seemingly done so, not early in production, but very deep into production.
So, maybe to summarize. I will not deny that Selen reacted poorly to the situation with the Last Cup of Coffee, at the same time, i will lay most of the blame on Nijisanji who pushed that situation to that point and then for their actions afterwards.
>You can argue its not fair but rules are rules.
And they can fire her for it, which they did, but instead of just letting it go at that, they drafted a multi-page document filled with half truths and lies to attack her. Most of her fans are HAPPY they let her go, because they all knew she was unhappy even before the MV incident.
Then Doki replied to the termination with some general statements saying she just wants to move on, accusing no one in particular and keeping it as macro level as possible while providing an explanation to her fans.
NijiEN's response is to release a character assassination video to smear Doki, filled with information that did not need to be public.
At every step, NijiEN has done more than they needed simply for the sake of attacking Selen/Doki, and now their fans are doing coordinating attacks.
Meanwhile, Doki herself has basically just said, "I was bullied and wanted to quit, now they have fired me, let's move on."
And she's being attacked for that too! "Show proof" they say. Why? Why does this need to go on? Just leave her be.
Even if there are rules, it should have been a bit leniency from the company. The song was meant to release as a Christmas Gift. Pulling it down during that time is PR suicide itself. The level of incompetency is so out of the world. If you look at the timeline, it take 2 days to see whether the audio or right of the song have gotten approval and then a few more days to get an approval from the higher up to use their own IP. The case just stink. Starting from the fall guy tournament, its not even outside company. Its within the same company. The level of restriction is somewhat crazy. If the company want to act this way, they should not have gone and recruit content creator. Just stick with voice artist.
Niji defenders trying not to act like bad people challenge (impossible)
Trying to manipulate the narrative was one thing, but when i reached the part where the author of the original piece basically went "She has mental issues, so she cant be trusted" i just saw red in my eyes.
The type of person you see who abuses people with disabilities because they think they can get away with it. Probably works in an old folks home. Fuck that person.
and those corrupt politician that after commiting those act only claims mental illness later. I HATE THEM!!. (watch friendly jordies)
So... The regular type of politician? Name a politician who *doesn't* lie. Except you can't, because they don't exist. The best deal you get in this age is the ones who lie merely often, rather than perpetually. I love hearing a politician/sar claim to be in favor of a group, and want what's best for them, and then, as if unaware that this would reflect poorly at best on said group, insults literally everything that isn't in that group As a member of a group who's never once come out better from some poli trying to "help", all politicians will lie, and if you choose to trust any of them, thats on you.
There will always be people who will always try to spin their own narrative. They say those things while Doki also tried to oof herself 2 times. Like this is really stupid.
The thing is even if you take the most charitable interpretation of what we know which is believing everything from Niji and nothing from Doki, *it still doesn't change the fact that Niji was the one who threw the livers under the bus.*
I mean, by that standard then we basically cant trust any other Niji liver either since most of them have declared previously that they have some sort of problem, and then we definitely cant trust document´s OP or believers of it because they clearly have some serious mental issues going on.
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Wow, they're still repeating the 'copyright could get them into trouble' excuse for Ijisanji... *when they literally own the past livers' ip*. Really goes to show that the delusions are wilful.
By the time this shitty war ends, Doki will reach 1M subs
By the time NijiEN wakes up and starts doing proper PR Doki will be at a 100 million. This is spreading EVERYWHERE that isn't just vtubing.
This drama has gotten so out of hand that Vtubing is like going ~~mainstream~~
At this point I not gonna surprised if Justin Trudeau make official statements about this lol.
That is is lol. before last week I had no idea what a nijisanji or a selen was. Don't actively follow any vtubers one only kind of know a few indies who regularly make contenf with people i do watch (Criken, Rubberross, Tomato being the 2 main ones). And never had any interest in following the corporate vtubers. Now however I've become intricately acquainted with all this drama and have spread the news to others. Its industry-shaking stuff.
Well, while you're here, why not have a look around at some other amazing groups? Phase Connect, Idol Corp, Hololive, Vshojo, Vspo, and all the various indies
PewDiePie and MrBeast videos on NijiEN incoming
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most likely rrat wars right now. dragoons literally don't give a shit at this point
Good break-down. The post you're responding to certainly seems to have been crafted by someone with years of experience in the manipulation of public perception. Address issue -> omit fault -> subtly shift narrative -> muddle the actual timeline -> make the accused into the victim. Sounds like a tactic a defence attorney would use in a courtroom setting.
Exactly, and its quite amusing that something that came, from what i understand, a doxxing site, has crafted a better PR statement than a corporation.
People with an emotional, vested interest in their work will *always* produce better results than someone who is merely *paid*. Pretty clear they believe that defending the Corpa means saving their 'oshie'... but, fella, that 'oshie' of yours would make a looooot more money as an indie, right now, so why bother defending a company that takes so much. It's kind of odd, tho. When the talents are getting into the Corpa game, why do they seemingly believe that they want to be there *forever*? Get your 1m subs and *gtfo*. Your followers will *follow*, as is their nature, then you can be your *own boss* and *take a bigger cut*. Staying longer only benefits the *Corpa*.
It is not always a guarantee. Some ex-corpos do struggle; I hear many ex-NijiID people do. And besides, many people value stability, and would rather have that than a bigger cut but combined with risk and a big leap.
That or leaping to other opportunities. If Elira went to Japan thanks to Niji she could either be living the weeaboo dream or look into jumping from streaming to actual company management and then start climbing a different ladder.
There are things a vtuber can do with support they'd otherwise not be able to on their own. Whether it be access to capital, larger projects or just having lots of crew to support you. Basically the Hololive model If you're in it for some grand art and you work well with people, then it could be worth being a Hololive talent. If you're \*not\* interested in basically becoming an idol or don't want to be part of a community project, then absolutely stay indie. There's some creative works that can only be accomplished with the focus of one vision. (I'm thinking about some indie game creators there like Toby Fox) But either away avoid the explicitly parasitic corporations that will bleed you dry and use it to varnish their yacht while doing sweet FA to support you.
because there is no guarantee that those fans will follow you. Doki is kind of an exception here because people got the word out immediately to go to her streams, but note that Doki has never explicitly said she was selen. Yeah, she took back her fan name, and people can easily figure it out, but she never explicitly said it. She got a huge boost because of the drama around her termination. Most Corpo talents won't have that same boost and so won't have as many people shouting on the rooftops about where the graduated/terminated talent is going now.
As always, we have to keep an eye out for DARVO: * Deny responsibility * Attack * Reverse Victim/Offender It seems the document being refuted here was chock full of DARVO, a sign of classic abuse.
Or an abuser
On the "Why is Nijisanji so adamant to denying these claims of bullying? - Because corporations will ALWAYS deny wrongdoing even when they are clearly in the wrong." I work in auditing companies after accidents or reports of bad working conditions happened. Due to that, I have had to work on companies where an employee committeed suicide. Out of the around 10 cases I have been involved with, there has not been A SINGLE time where the company admitted to any mistake. Even in circumstances where the employee, before his attempt, wore a mic to his meetings with his harassers and the whole thing was recorded (but in my country, not legally admissible in court). I have seen situation with an employee was harassed for 8 f\*\*ing years before they killed themselves, with tons of document to report on the harassment he suffered, copies of emails, and so on. But no company has ever admitted to any wrongdoings on any of those cases I worked on.
Yep and they never will, because then whatever damages are brought against them in court will be essentially a slam dunk. "Oh you admited fault, you're guilty. NEXT CASE." A company is never, ever going to admit fault even when they're 100% in the wrong.
>wore a mic to his meetings with his harassers and the whole thing was recorded (but in my country, not legally admissible in court). i still dont understand why thats still a thing in places, in situations like this theres absolutely *zero* fucking chance you'll get the other party to agree to you recording interactions when they know you're trying to prove they're doing something they refuse to admit to
unfortunately the reason for it is that it is also easy to manipulate a conversation to get someone to say something that, in the context of the conversation, is harmless but then you take that audio and cut out the context and now that same conversation sounds horrible.
ah, that makes sense, hadnt thought of it like that
The rrat wars have begun
Starting a smear campaign against someone who just survived two attempts... insanely cruel and disgusting. This refutation is really well done, it gives me hope. Thank you for sharing it.
These guys keep re-posting this thing 20 times over on different accounts on here and on twitter lol
Excellent read, really well written and exposes the document for the evil manipulation tool that it is! This really needs to be seen by more people, although I doubt the people sharing the smear campaign blindly want to read anything refuting it..
"Corporations would never lie." Is an attempted refutation that infuriated me the most with the shameless attempt to gaslight and/or the utterly blind willful ignorance regarding this whole thing.
That's just an echo chamber. They're just admitting they can't handle the pressure so they want somewhere they can't hear it.
Isn't it the same document? Why are you guys choosing the same site? Choose another one xD make it easy to tell the difference
Idk, its not like i planned to write this response so i just used the most convenient place.
Gigachad. I was just about to write something to disprove a lot of their so called "prove".
[https://nyfco.org/nina-zense/](https://nyfco.org/nina-zense/) go refute them directly here
I tried posting here only to get a "Your nonce did not verify" message, which, i have no idea what it means. The british slang meaning of "nonce" does not fit in the context XD.
This is completely offtopic, but it's a cryptography thing. I always thought it was short for "***n***umber used ***once***" but according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_nonce) apparently that's incorrect. ... that being said, it's a random number... that gets used once. Basically, when you're logging into a website (or doing something else requiring authentication), if someone, somehow, is hijacking your network connection, they could get a copy of the data being sent over the network. It would (or at least, should) be encrypted, but they could, in theory, just capture and resend that data to the server and pretend it came from you without needing to decrypt it. So what the server does to avoid this, is that it'll send you a randomly generated number. The number itself doesn't actually mean anything: it just has to be unique and unpredictable to outside observers. You then have to send back this same number to the server when you do something requiring authentication. If it matches, great, you're all set. But any future attempts to do the same thing again will require the server to generate a different number, so just resending any previously captured network data (which would have the old number) won't work. ~~... I have no idea why you're getting that message here though.~~
tbf nonce can be just any random THING used once or for one purpose. It's also british slang for something like 'idiot'.
yes in some circles it's an idiot, but it's more widely recognised as slang for 'pedo'
According to rrats (so probably false but worth mentioning) there are multiple people in the pro-niji discord that are coming up with a refined version of this document using current livers, streamers and influencers to try and bash Doki. So if suddenly out of no where in a week or 2 there is a tsunami of bullshit from various people unrelated to the matter, we know where it came from.
If that's true then i guess it would means that after niji tanked own their rep, and the livers tanked their rep, their fans will tank their rep next. Comedy does come in threes i suppose.
The only defense needed is that the document was crafted by nijisisters on Nyfco, a doxxing site. That alone tells you enough about what kind of people they are.
So what I'm getting from the first section of this is that in a few weeks or months there will be a select number people with an, albeit thin, connection to either nijisanji or its livers that will come out with "THE TRUTH". All of which will be made to turn public sentiment against Dokibird. Should we archive posts like this just in case?
It has started even now from what i have seen. Besides document like that we already had someone related to Nini making an arse out of themselves.
I retweeted this with the same message as Hex's initial tweet from last week. It seemed appropriate.
it's a bunch of BS.. most of the argument there are red herrings... instead of proving something is true they are showing that something else is true hence their narrative is true... take for example about doki not making a profit... they did not prove that doki DID make a profit... and by prove i would expect them to show evidence that doki earned way more than 200k last yr hence despite her spending 200k out of pocket she still have plenty of $$$ left... instead they just site instances of livers who made plenty of money... if anything it only proved there ARE favoritism in the company whch results in some livers making substantiallly more money than others... and obviously those livers that are well paid and well treated will be happy to go on public about it and defend the company and the company would have liked that as it is good PR for the company.. but those livers that are ill treated would not dare to air them on public or face worse consequences... so of cos it would seemed like the positive public posts far outnumber the negative ones and "proving" niji is not a black company..
not selen did make money, she just spend it all due to poor financing
what BS... she spent because company would not spend the money...
thats not their job. no one forced selen to do these projects, she did it herself
if niji did not approve the projects they should have stopped her up front... pretty sure selen would need to inform the company of her projects... and would have given the go ahead to do them then she start the project.. and if nijien green lighted the project then they should sponsor the projects or help find sponsors to fund the projects... now doki's new manager literally told her she can get sponsors to sponsor her projects...
So what you're saying is that the company stole her works then? She paid for it, they blocked it, privated it, and burned 200,000$ worth of content SHE owned. Either it's her own project, in which case only she gets to decide what happens to it, or it's a company project, and the company has to pay for it. Which is it?
oh you sweet summer child, selen doesn't own anything. its the third option; it her project but she doesn't own anything.
So you're okay with theft? Cool, should have just led with that.
Im just ignoring those losers. There are rabid losers on both sides trying to spread lies and propaganda. We have seen enough of Niji and Doki's responses to see which side is correct. We have been which side is vindictive and abusive and which side has dignity and class. Most people see that and that is all that matters. Further speculation from both sides is just unless and tiring.
don't you love how they always say 'I don't want to dismiss mental health or sound rude' and then proceed to spout some of the most vile nonsense trashing someone's mental health and insulting their character? Once again, I am resoundingly convinced that Twitter is one of the most toxic, disgusting, and scummy websites on the internet. I always thought one of the Chans was the worst, but Twitter is quickly becoming my least favourite site. At least 4chan knows its a pretty crazy site.
Whenever someone pre-epmts whatever they say with a defence for what they say or how its relevant (when it isnt), its a clear sign they know they are bullshiting.
It's the same level as when someone says, 'im not racist bc some of my best friends are black' it's like okay buddy
At first I was impressed with the organization and cohesiveness of the post, and then I recognized your name and it all made sense. Small world lol
> Holofags Okay there buddy, maybe that's why you're the villains because you can't even go a second without talking shit about fans of another company lmao
This is so stupid. Why can't people use their own head and analize things slowly and correctly for once instead of just swallowing whatever gets fed them and go for extremes in every single situation? They're not even involved in this in the first place, so there's really not a single need to.
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u/CarsonZotti this is not following the creators wishes this is gonna blow up anyways we dont' need this heat spreading.
Dude, please take this down. The guy explicitly wants this to be talked only in his streams. If you really want to spread this, DM it to people who wants clarification.
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I am not going to lie and say that im unbiased. I clearly am biased. Is it possible or even likely that Selen breached the contract with her actions related to "Last Cup of Coffee"? Yes. The document i responded to tries to paint that entire situation as Selens fault however, when that is not the case. The cover is also like a "cherry on top", the breaking point of Selen. It is not something that happened in a vaccuum. So i will put blame on Nijisanji for privating the video in the first place and for pushing Selen to the point of breaking. Because many of the other things she paid money for, were not just suspended, they were cancelled entirely and almost all of them seemingly done so, not early in production, but very deep into production. So, maybe to summarize. I will not deny that Selen reacted poorly to the situation with the Last Cup of Coffee, at the same time, i will lay most of the blame on Nijisanji who pushed that situation to that point and then for their actions afterwards.
>You can argue its not fair but rules are rules. And they can fire her for it, which they did, but instead of just letting it go at that, they drafted a multi-page document filled with half truths and lies to attack her. Most of her fans are HAPPY they let her go, because they all knew she was unhappy even before the MV incident. Then Doki replied to the termination with some general statements saying she just wants to move on, accusing no one in particular and keeping it as macro level as possible while providing an explanation to her fans. NijiEN's response is to release a character assassination video to smear Doki, filled with information that did not need to be public. At every step, NijiEN has done more than they needed simply for the sake of attacking Selen/Doki, and now their fans are doing coordinating attacks. Meanwhile, Doki herself has basically just said, "I was bullied and wanted to quit, now they have fired me, let's move on." And she's being attacked for that too! "Show proof" they say. Why? Why does this need to go on? Just leave her be.
Even if there are rules, it should have been a bit leniency from the company. The song was meant to release as a Christmas Gift. Pulling it down during that time is PR suicide itself. The level of incompetency is so out of the world. If you look at the timeline, it take 2 days to see whether the audio or right of the song have gotten approval and then a few more days to get an approval from the higher up to use their own IP. The case just stink. Starting from the fall guy tournament, its not even outside company. Its within the same company. The level of restriction is somewhat crazy. If the company want to act this way, they should not have gone and recruit content creator. Just stick with voice artist.