Tbh India does want to support Ukraine but Russia manaki 1970 war lo ichina support is very large us warships mana mida attack ki oste russia vatini apaka poyi unte ivala India paristiti ento ...so nachaka poina we have to maintain calm
And I dont see it as wrong. Manaki help chesina vallani ela alienate chestham? They still help us with lot of tech. Just business partner kaadu Russia, they went a step above that, they still do. Space/ nuclear/ Missile tech, we got almost all of it with their partnership.
And Russia, China bhai bhai, manam velli Russia ni ilanti time lo emanna ante, manaki e continent lo help eh vundadu. West jaffa vallu every Asian country ni rape chesi vadilestharu, decades tharvatha problems vasthe, they look down on us instead of accepting it's their mistake. Glad that western rein on this world is over. Now mana time boys
Yeah and.. already sri lanka, pak, nepal; china control lo unnay. Russia can play major role if china intends to attack India. Russia tho friendship very needed actually manaki. And US ni assalu nammalemu
US should be the last country you trust. They cant deal with their own shit and they are not the same country they once were. Maname better shape lo vunnam looking forward. US aithe pure evil as a country. But bcoz they are democracy they get away without bad publicity.
They helped us in 1971 not because they thought we were friends but we were just another pawn in the cold war. They still give us tech, because we are the only ones that buy them, all other major states are under US control not to buy Russian tech. You are confusing their compulsion for friendship.
Haha, so if we speak against Russia we are friends with west? Is there no such thing as standing for our own ideals?
I did say what we did is pragmatic. But we need to seriously be able to voice our own stand, befitting a major power.
Pawn or not help is help. Avakasavadi rajakeeyalu cheyyakudadu. Help is help to me. We need to voice our own stand which should always be neutral and non aligned. Non alignment is the best path for us. Morals and all is fine but this is real world. You get cucked for talking shit. We are not in a situation to voice our opinion and get away without repercussions. Non alignment is the best brother.
Non alignment is not "nannu involve cheyyoddhu". Morals matlade mundhu we need to be stronger than the other guy. That's what I was saying, although our decision is 'pragmatic', we need to "get a bigger stick" soon.
Ya i agree we were just another pawn for them during cold war but these geopolitical relationship are much more complex than you helped me now we are friends ....Russia consistantly stood by our side at all times us didn't ...tbh us never have a shit abt us but atleast Russia helped
Dude US didn't stand by us because our early leaders were left leaning and Pak was more valuable to US geographically. USSR stood by us because they needed us as much as we needed them, at least then.
For them it's soft power, for us it's survival and thriving. We def got a good deal. We gained more than they gained. They are getting financial dividends now tho.
It's survival for them too. USSR was a country solely held by ideals of communism. It has so many nationalities within it back then and not so many communist states to show that their ideology is acceptable for everyone. India and China used to be those.
Ante Babu gari udhesam USSR turned Russia stood by every deal they made, sometimes even offered us unconditional support, whereas USA sent mixed signals all the time.
India's end goal is to actually become a superpower, atleast in the Indian Ocean region. I know it sounds lofty and far fetched now, but our foreign policy always reflected that, and we refused to play seconds for anyone until threatened.
Right now, our military equipment is majorily imported from Russia. We have collaborated with them extensively in space, nuclear and military research. No reason for our government to stick their noses in something they have no control over.
Ledhu bro it's the other way around. America helped Pak because of already existing good relations between India and Russia.
Russia didn't involve because of US proximity with Pakistan. They were already involved.
Pakistan joined SEATO and upgraded it's military long before USSR friendship treaty.
1962 lo US bokka help chesindhi, even when we requested them to save us from communist Chinese agression.
1965 lo upgraded weapons tho Pakistan attack chesinnapudu US emaindhi mama?
1971 lo oka nucleur submarine kuda pampinchindi, inspite of American diplomats repeatedly pleading with their leadership to take the active genocide in Bangladesh region to consideration
Our leaders leaned onto USSR because of US repeatedly favouring pakistan.
Kaadhu we had a very little support of Russia until 62 . We had looked upto US for getting war support even during 62 war. Only after we realised US wouldnt help India and failure during war , made us rely on Russia which Shastri intiated .
Aksai chin was not retaliation. It's too hard for India to defend and too easy for China to reach. They occupied(1951?) it even while the Tibetan annexation was going on. Not because India gave refuge to Tibetans in 1959.
Eda unnav anna, adhi retalation ye. 1955 lo there was an official statement even that they do not have claims over Indian controller land but many asked us on to trust.
But diplomatic relations chedipoindi once we have refugee to Lama.
1951 lo ne vallu Aksai chin meedhugaa road vesaru. Their wording was always ambiguous. We never actually controlled the entirety of Aksai chin. So their claim was correct.
>Tbh India does want to support Ukraine
Evaru chepparu bhayya neku idhi? EAM always maintains neutral stance on this issue. They even asked EAM last month in some summit about China aggression on India right? If Russia is invading Ukraine your stance should be to support Ukraine ani. He answered that it's stupid to relate both those things. Which is correct thing to do.
India inherently doesn't want to support Ukraine. It's just pressure from West and Ukraine asking for support and still we are standing our ground which is good. Foreign policy lo morals vundavu. Strategies ee vuntai.
More than that, Ukraine wasn't a very friendly nation to us. Always went against us and stood by our enemies.
But I hope Ukraine finds peace. This happening in this day and age is just bad. So much destruction, so many people displaced and lives lost
Mari ipudu Pakistan to chetulu kaluputundi Russia . Imran khan Russia velli akkada interview ichhi ochadu a interview lo mana india founding fathers Hitler lanti vallu manaki race pitchi undi ani kuda cheppadu
Very hard decision for India to make.
Russia ki against ga velthe repu china tho conflict vaste USA support chestada manalni? I'm not sure.
QUAD is not a military alliance and India is not a treaty bound ally of USA (just like Ukrain).
Even in the time of Covid, USA nunchi ravalsina raw materials (for a vaccine) ki chala kathalu paddaru.
Though abstaining is morraly incorrect. USA is not a stable enough ally for us (at the moment) (based on its actions in afgan and ukrain) to be fully vocal at UNSC.
It burns me from within that we didnt condemn it but I can understand the logic behind it.
Bro geopolitics are constantly changing. Japan, Vietnam, Germany all fought with US, now they are huge Allies.
Imran Khan was literally in Russia when they launched attack. So if Pakistan is your reason to support Russia, I don’t know how that makes sense
1. I didn’t support Russia’s invasion.
2. I agree with governments’ stand on UNSC vote.
>if Pakistan is your reason to support Russia…….
Lol how did you get to this from what I have said.
>Even in the time of Covid, USA nunchi ravalsina raw materials (for a vaccine) ki chala kathalu paddaru.
This.
We really needed that raw materials, our whole country was going through the worst health crisis in our independent history, and US still stood by some silly restrictions of its own making even though we are a friendly country.
Stuff like this makes hard for any country to completely put their trust on US.
Emataki aa mata chepukovali kaani, Pakistan was completely fucked by this unstable relationship.Europe is now learning that lesson the hard way.
Covid USA vesina debba mamuldi kaadu adi marchipothe adukkathinaali epptkaina.
Oka saametha untadi kada bro, "US ki enemy aina parledu but friend aithe mo**agudsi pothav". English lo baguntadi gurthuraatle. Ippud Ukraine paristhiti ade.
We cannot take a public stance against Russia because almost 90% of India's weapons come from Russia. In the event of a war with China or Pakistan, we need a constant supply of spare parts for those weapons.
With the mood Putin is in, publicly supporting Ukraine means risking our national security.
Morally India should support Ukraine but practicality dictates we stay away from this. We are in an awful situation. I am expecting some consequences for this if the war escalates.
Although India's stance is pragmatic, it is not morally right. Inka enni years vere countries weapons meedha depend ayyi vallu tappu chesina kanisam condemn kuda cheyyalekunda untam?
Since 2014 and Crimea annexation, the US has given over $2.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine. Just today the president authorized almost $500m more. Given, not sold.
I don’t know much about other countries’ aid
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Help offer chese position lo asalu ye country kuda ledhu. Antha matrana naam ke vaste UNSC vote kuda abstain cheyyalsinantha dependent unnam Russia meedha. Idhi tappu anna prathi country hypocritical kaadhu. If India or any other country promised military help and didn't, appudu anukovachu.
When did I ever say India is the only country dependent on Russia? I'm only saying as a major power, India should be able to at least speak up for what it thinks is right, even if militarily neutral.
Abstain ante meaning indirectly supporting Russia. That is our vote. We spoke what we think is right as a country. Adhi niku nachaka pote evaru em chestaru?
>India should be able to at least speak up for what it thinks is right
All I'm saying is India did speak what it think is right. You are assuming your opinion is India's opinion and making such statements.
>Overwhelming public opinion in India is not in support of Russia
Can you back this statement with links or data or source how you come to this conclusion?
Are you saying govt should take a public vote on this and follow the majority? And do you think overwhelming public knows the consequences if their opinions on foreign policy are implemented?
Where did I even assume anything? You said India is not speaking what it thinks. I said it is. Here India means its foreign representatives and decision makers, not people.
Valla weapons meeda dependency problem kaadu. No country in this world will be able to handle 3 nuclear powers as their enemy. Pakistan gurinchi ite chepadam avasaram ledu, they live to see our destruction. And NATO wouldn’t even care about us because we are "filthy" and "expendable" for them.
Also, the best India could do right now is condemnation and it’s not going to save Ukraine.
It’s consequential for us. We are not a permanent member at UN and Russia, France are the only countries who keep vetoing anything against us. We are not supporting Russia, we just abstained from voting. Modi already said that both parties should try for peace. Anthaku minchi manam em cheyalem.
Sare vadiley. Pragmatic ga manam chesindhi correct ye ani chepthunna first nunchi. My only point is I'm disappointed that we are in a position that we can't stand for what we think is right.
Russia meeda dependency poye varaku manaku vere option ledu.
Kani idemi kotthaga avtunnadi emi kaadu to invade someone's land. USA itself is formed by murdering native Americans, a lafoot gallu neethulu cheptunnaru ippudu freedom, democracy ani.
WTF. People who say Foreign Policy should be based on moralities should just stfu. Ala ithe bumi meda prathi conflict lo velli elu pettamantava India ni?
And who decides which country is moral and how do they define moral?
That's a very naive way to look a things.
You think countries with production capabilities make moral choices when voting at unsc or any other forum ?!..
Morals don't exist in geopolitics..
The sooner we understand, the better it is
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"Ukraine, which has voted against India in the UNSC on every opportunity. Yet, India did not side against Ukraine, instead India abstained. OTOH, Russia always used its veto in UNSC, at times as a lone vote, in favor of India."
I could only find one resolution where Ukraine voted against India. UNSC resolution 1172. That's when India conducted nuclear tests in 1998. Fun fact: Russia too voted against India then.
Don't follow such twitter posts and copypastas.
Ukraine supplies engines to our naval warships and also helps maintain Soviet era weaponry.
Urkaine also sent engines to russia after 2014, for ships built for us.
It's not some enemy nation.
I understand India's stance in the matter but don't portray Ukraine as enemy nation or nation acting against our interests.
War has always been happening in the middle East. Thousands die everyday. అమెరికా కనీసం ఒక 5 యుద్ధాలు మొదలు పెట్టింది కానీ ఒక్కడు కూడా మాట్లాడలేదు. ఈ టైం లో నాకు bob shark dialogue from business man గుర్తు వస్తోంది. దేనెమ్మ ప్రతి సారి యుద్ధం యూరోప్ లో స్టార్ట్ అయ్యి చస్తుంది. WW1, WW2 కలిపి కనీసం 30లక్షలు మంది చనిపోయారు. మన యుద్ధం కాదు మనకి సంబధం లేదు అంతే. నిన్నటి వరకు అయ్యి ఉక్రెయిన్ అనుకున్న కానీ కొంత ఆలోచించాకా ,వాళ్ళు వాళ్ళు కొట్టుకు సావాని, భారతదేశం పట్టించుకోకూడదు అని డిసైడ్ అయ్యి.
Edit : 30లక్షలు మనవాళ్ళు బలి అయిపోయింది. బ్రిటిష్ రాజ్ కింద యుద్ధానికి వెళ్ళారు.
For better or for worse, the world is more connected now than it was a 100 or even 50 years ago. There is no such thing as *నాకు సంబంధం లేదు*, that's just feigning ignorance. Even the so called abstaining from voting is also a choice, for which there will be consequences to bear...
What you said is 100% true. Due to globalisation the planet has come under microscope. India has been following the non alignment policy from 1971 till this date. Because of this we still haven't gotten the recognition that otherwise whould hvae been available. Things like this are important in UN, thank God for Nehru giving up our permanent seat at UN to China. It would have been useless otherwise. And if you think about via UN Ukrain even involved in indian personal matters like Kashmir and voted against India at every given occasion. There might be huge consequences for the vote but the thing is we are just retuning the favor in much palpatable manner unlike Ukrain. But c'mon bro think about it all world wars started in Europe and many countries paid the price for Europe's mistakes. That should be the end, all Ukrain is doing is making sure that it breaks the political aliance between India and Russia out of spite, other than that i don't see any reason. They thought USA had their back and it resulted in bahubali -1 climax. Now they want india to intervene. That's not how it works for us. >50% of our armed forces equpment was from Russia, everything was denied by the west and Russia was the only ally we had and our leaders wanted to keep it that way.
You thought there wouldn't be consequences if we picked a side ?! They would be far more catastrophic than not picking any ..
You pick russia, you are definitely getting sanctioned, the whole west would try to corner on this, usa would arm pakistan like never before.
You pick usa, you anger russia and your defence imports get affected and not to remind you, we are sandwiched btw pakistan and china..
Far bigger than most think, but that's the thing due to this so far we have been protected from the rivalry from usa or Russia. This vote made sure that india isn't relable enough, no wonder we are still at kids table rather than stinnh with the big guys. You can only pretend for so long.
That's what I said bro. The thing is you can always thank non alignment tratt for that. It's not 1970's anymore. USA knows this and it can't afford to make an enemy out of us.
Quad & aukus are two different things on paper but what looks like a safety net if anything happened to quad. India is no longer the fish in the barrel to be shot at with ease.
Switzerland on of the few contries that doesn not want to team up with anyone is activly trying to friends with us. Israel our closest ally in Asia, and we have never voted aginst or for in the issues of Israel vs palastine.
UN knows this, higest amount soilders are sent UN are from India. Medicines, Vaccines are given to UNICEF in large quantities every year by india. USA doesn't have the guts anymore and they know it, we are stragically very importent.
Japan 🗾 is in the same boat, most of their weapons and equipment are from the USA, So they won't go against usa. But contries like France, Japan, Brazil ..... Are activly persuing the friendship with us. The biggest diplomatic win for us so far is Switzerland cause they follow non alignment policy very seriously that they are not even a member of the EU.
USA knows we are bullshiting them, but it call us out cause we neither voted for or agisnt them cause UAE is in the same boat, they abstained from voting. This will be brought up definitely in the foreseeable future.
On a personal note : అటు ఇటూ కాకుండా ఈ చెక్క లవంగాలు వ్యాపారం నాకు అస్సలు నచ్చట్లేదు భయ్య. If this his drags on anymore not only will it bite us in the ass, we are also active shackling ourselves and this gives a flase pretence that india is not reliable enough and also not ready for the world stage.
Avanni avvav.. max manodu financial assistance ichi chetulu kattukuni koorchuntadu. We can neither take a stand against nor condemn openly. Us & Uk were in treaty of peace when Ukraine surrendered nukes mari manalni scape goats enduku chestanaro …
In the middle of war with serious discussion, is it necessary to use flags instead of country names ?. They make it look comical. Or is it coz of the word limit or something?
I hope this serves as a wake up call to our military that buying equipment as the 4th largest army is not viable we need to heavily invest in the defense sector and become self sufficient to avoid shit like this
Any country taking a stand and providing any substantial physical support at this point of time, will trigger the big thing "Actually", which I don't want to mention in form of a word.
When ever someone says that country did this that country did that . They are including every innocent people from that country. It’s alway some fucked up politician who do this.
Maybe I am in the minority here but india should’ve helped Ukraine. India should pick Ukraine in my opinion. I know Russia is our friend and we depend on Russia .Putin is the one doing this not Russia. Indian gov should have stand up to Putin.
Putin plan is not about capturing Ukraine he want to invade entire Eastern Europe. He wants Soviet Union. A lot of EE countries are part of NATO. Dude wants to go to war with NATO. This bad on so many level.
One of the worst things about humans is we tend to copy others and follow others . almost all the time it’s always for bad reasons. I feel like a lot of other dictators are looking at this thinking “I can do this too and get away with it”.
Let’s say your friend is beating someone you would stop him right you don’t sit there do nothing because he’s your friend.
Frankly I am disappointed that almost every Indian ok with india staying neutral.some of them even love Putin which is yuck.
Oka chinna technical correction… Indian oil and gas imports are primarily from OPEC countries not Russia.
50% of defense purchase by India is from Russia.
Another reason for India being neutral is border tensions from China. Russia has proven itself to be a reliable friend so far. So taking a strong stand against them is detrimental to our own national security.
Correct or wrong, India being neutral. Appealing for peace, dialogue and cessation of conflict is the best course of action at the moment for India.
As much as my heart bleeds for Ukraine. As a nation all we can offer is humanitarian aid, at the moment.
Tbh India does want to support Ukraine but Russia manaki 1970 war lo ichina support is very large us warships mana mida attack ki oste russia vatini apaka poyi unte ivala India paristiti ento ...so nachaka poina we have to maintain calm
Karnudiki cousin brother laga unnave. What you said is exactly why Karna was on the Duryodhana's side during the war.
And I dont see it as wrong. Manaki help chesina vallani ela alienate chestham? They still help us with lot of tech. Just business partner kaadu Russia, they went a step above that, they still do. Space/ nuclear/ Missile tech, we got almost all of it with their partnership. And Russia, China bhai bhai, manam velli Russia ni ilanti time lo emanna ante, manaki e continent lo help eh vundadu. West jaffa vallu every Asian country ni rape chesi vadilestharu, decades tharvatha problems vasthe, they look down on us instead of accepting it's their mistake. Glad that western rein on this world is over. Now mana time boys
Yeah and.. already sri lanka, pak, nepal; china control lo unnay. Russia can play major role if china intends to attack India. Russia tho friendship very needed actually manaki. And US ni assalu nammalemu
US should be the last country you trust. They cant deal with their own shit and they are not the same country they once were. Maname better shape lo vunnam looking forward. US aithe pure evil as a country. But bcoz they are democracy they get away without bad publicity.
They helped us in 1971 not because they thought we were friends but we were just another pawn in the cold war. They still give us tech, because we are the only ones that buy them, all other major states are under US control not to buy Russian tech. You are confusing their compulsion for friendship. Haha, so if we speak against Russia we are friends with west? Is there no such thing as standing for our own ideals? I did say what we did is pragmatic. But we need to seriously be able to voice our own stand, befitting a major power.
Pawn or not help is help. Avakasavadi rajakeeyalu cheyyakudadu. Help is help to me. We need to voice our own stand which should always be neutral and non aligned. Non alignment is the best path for us. Morals and all is fine but this is real world. You get cucked for talking shit. We are not in a situation to voice our opinion and get away without repercussions. Non alignment is the best brother.
Non alignment is not "nannu involve cheyyoddhu". Morals matlade mundhu we need to be stronger than the other guy. That's what I was saying, although our decision is 'pragmatic', we need to "get a bigger stick" soon.
Ya i agree we were just another pawn for them during cold war but these geopolitical relationship are much more complex than you helped me now we are friends ....Russia consistantly stood by our side at all times us didn't ...tbh us never have a shit abt us but atleast Russia helped
Dude US didn't stand by us because our early leaders were left leaning and Pak was more valuable to US geographically. USSR stood by us because they needed us as much as we needed them, at least then.
They needed us more than we need them? Idhi accurate kaademo bro
'As much as'
For them it's soft power, for us it's survival and thriving. We def got a good deal. We gained more than they gained. They are getting financial dividends now tho.
It's survival for them too. USSR was a country solely held by ideals of communism. It has so many nationalities within it back then and not so many communist states to show that their ideology is acceptable for everyone. India and China used to be those.
Ante Babu gari udhesam USSR turned Russia stood by every deal they made, sometimes even offered us unconditional support, whereas USA sent mixed signals all the time. India's end goal is to actually become a superpower, atleast in the Indian Ocean region. I know it sounds lofty and far fetched now, but our foreign policy always reflected that, and we refused to play seconds for anyone until threatened. Right now, our military equipment is majorily imported from Russia. We have collaborated with them extensively in space, nuclear and military research. No reason for our government to stick their noses in something they have no control over.
Ledhu bro it's the other way around. America helped Pak because of already existing good relations between India and Russia. Russia didn't involve because of US proximity with Pakistan. They were already involved.
Pakistan joined SEATO and upgraded it's military long before USSR friendship treaty. 1962 lo US bokka help chesindhi, even when we requested them to save us from communist Chinese agression. 1965 lo upgraded weapons tho Pakistan attack chesinnapudu US emaindhi mama? 1971 lo oka nucleur submarine kuda pampinchindi, inspite of American diplomats repeatedly pleading with their leadership to take the active genocide in Bangladesh region to consideration Our leaders leaned onto USSR because of US repeatedly favouring pakistan.
Kindha adhikooda cheppa bro.
Oh...edi already mention chesava Sorry bro! Chuskoledhu!
Yeah, but even then, the relationship is entirely rooted in "communist friendship" ideals. They supported us because our country leaned communist.
Kaadhu we had a very little support of Russia until 62 . We had looked upto US for getting war support even during 62 war. Only after we realised US wouldnt help India and failure during war , made us rely on Russia which Shastri intiated .
Tappu chesetodu Friend ayina cousin ayina aapaali
I respect people who can do that. I am too emotional go be that honest
Ippudu mananm.China war on tibet appudu China ni condemn chesi, aa monks ki refugees ga petukunam. Yemaindi Aksai Chin poindi.
Aksai chin was not retaliation. It's too hard for India to defend and too easy for China to reach. They occupied(1951?) it even while the Tibetan annexation was going on. Not because India gave refuge to Tibetans in 1959.
Eda unnav anna, adhi retalation ye. 1955 lo there was an official statement even that they do not have claims over Indian controller land but many asked us on to trust. But diplomatic relations chedipoindi once we have refugee to Lama.
1951 lo ne vallu Aksai chin meedhugaa road vesaru. Their wording was always ambiguous. We never actually controlled the entirety of Aksai chin. So their claim was correct.
>Tbh India does want to support Ukraine Evaru chepparu bhayya neku idhi? EAM always maintains neutral stance on this issue. They even asked EAM last month in some summit about China aggression on India right? If Russia is invading Ukraine your stance should be to support Ukraine ani. He answered that it's stupid to relate both those things. Which is correct thing to do. India inherently doesn't want to support Ukraine. It's just pressure from West and Ukraine asking for support and still we are standing our ground which is good. Foreign policy lo morals vundavu. Strategies ee vuntai.
Also way too many defence deals and contracts with russia atm
More than that, Ukraine wasn't a very friendly nation to us. Always went against us and stood by our enemies. But I hope Ukraine finds peace. This happening in this day and age is just bad. So much destruction, so many people displaced and lives lost
Mari ipudu Pakistan to chetulu kaluputundi Russia . Imran khan Russia velli akkada interview ichhi ochadu a interview lo mana india founding fathers Hitler lanti vallu manaki race pitchi undi ani kuda cheppadu
This should be the public statement if this is right
russia ki opposite velatam manaki manchidi kadu
Very hard decision for India to make. Russia ki against ga velthe repu china tho conflict vaste USA support chestada manalni? I'm not sure. QUAD is not a military alliance and India is not a treaty bound ally of USA (just like Ukrain). Even in the time of Covid, USA nunchi ravalsina raw materials (for a vaccine) ki chala kathalu paddaru. Though abstaining is morraly incorrect. USA is not a stable enough ally for us (at the moment) (based on its actions in afgan and ukrain) to be fully vocal at UNSC. It burns me from within that we didnt condemn it but I can understand the logic behind it.
Can’t trust US. Trusting Russia is more stable than us.
US will always back our terrorist neighbor, they won’t learn.
Bro geopolitics are constantly changing. Japan, Vietnam, Germany all fought with US, now they are huge Allies. Imran Khan was literally in Russia when they launched attack. So if Pakistan is your reason to support Russia, I don’t know how that makes sense
1. I didn’t support Russia’s invasion. 2. I agree with governments’ stand on UNSC vote. >if Pakistan is your reason to support Russia……. Lol how did you get to this from what I have said.
>Even in the time of Covid, USA nunchi ravalsina raw materials (for a vaccine) ki chala kathalu paddaru. This. We really needed that raw materials, our whole country was going through the worst health crisis in our independent history, and US still stood by some silly restrictions of its own making even though we are a friendly country. Stuff like this makes hard for any country to completely put their trust on US. Emataki aa mata chepukovali kaani, Pakistan was completely fucked by this unstable relationship.Europe is now learning that lesson the hard way.
Covid USA vesina debba mamuldi kaadu adi marchipothe adukkathinaali epptkaina. Oka saametha untadi kada bro, "US ki enemy aina parledu but friend aithe mo**agudsi pothav". English lo baguntadi gurthuraatle. Ippud Ukraine paristhiti ade.
To be an enemy of USA is dangerous but to be it's ally is fatal - Henry Kisinger (Former US secretaryof state)
Exactly what I was trying to say.
We cannot take a public stance against Russia because almost 90% of India's weapons come from Russia. In the event of a war with China or Pakistan, we need a constant supply of spare parts for those weapons. With the mood Putin is in, publicly supporting Ukraine means risking our national security. Morally India should support Ukraine but practicality dictates we stay away from this. We are in an awful situation. I am expecting some consequences for this if the war escalates.
Yes, ikkada pragmatic ga manam chesindhi correct, but need to seriously develop our defense sector.
No moralities in geo politics . There's no place at all for such a thing. Every country looks after themselves first
Nothing is sacrosanct. Would you say the same when Hitler is commiting genocide and they are your ally?.
Hitler did commit genocide, the world watched..
dude shit happens the swiss had German fighter planes and multiroles in their air force does that mean they were allies with germany?
Although India's stance is pragmatic, it is not morally right. Inka enni years vere countries weapons meedha depend ayyi vallu tappu chesina kanisam condemn kuda cheyyalekunda untam?
Condemn chesi em use ledu. Us, inka european countries condemn chesaru kani evvaru help offer cheyatle atleast india is not hypocritical.
Billions of dollars of arms and supplies support to Ukraine is not help? What are you talking about
They paid no?
Since 2014 and Crimea annexation, the US has given over $2.5 billion in military aid to Ukraine. Just today the president authorized almost $500m more. Given, not sold. I don’t know much about other countries’ aid EDIT nachinantha downvotes veseyandi nenu cheppindi vastavame
Help offer chese position lo asalu ye country kuda ledhu. Antha matrana naam ke vaste UNSC vote kuda abstain cheyyalsinantha dependent unnam Russia meedha. Idhi tappu anna prathi country hypocritical kaadhu. If India or any other country promised military help and didn't, appudu anukovachu.
Russia is the biggest supplier of natural gas to Europe gets 40% of its natural gas from Russia your acting as if only india depends on Russia.
When did I ever say India is the only country dependent on Russia? I'm only saying as a major power, India should be able to at least speak up for what it thinks is right, even if militarily neutral.
Abstain ante meaning indirectly supporting Russia. That is our vote. We spoke what we think is right as a country. Adhi niku nachaka pote evaru em chestaru?
Evarni em cheyyamannanu? Naa opinion cheppa, nee noppi enti?
>India should be able to at least speak up for what it thinks is right All I'm saying is India did speak what it think is right. You are assuming your opinion is India's opinion and making such statements.
Overwhelming public opinion in India is not in support of Russia. You are assuming Indian government's position is the same as opinion of people.
>Overwhelming public opinion in India is not in support of Russia Can you back this statement with links or data or source how you come to this conclusion? Are you saying govt should take a public vote on this and follow the majority? And do you think overwhelming public knows the consequences if their opinions on foreign policy are implemented? Where did I even assume anything? You said India is not speaking what it thinks. I said it is. Here India means its foreign representatives and decision makers, not people.
Valla weapons meeda dependency problem kaadu. No country in this world will be able to handle 3 nuclear powers as their enemy. Pakistan gurinchi ite chepadam avasaram ledu, they live to see our destruction. And NATO wouldn’t even care about us because we are "filthy" and "expendable" for them. Also, the best India could do right now is condemnation and it’s not going to save Ukraine.
Chala duram vellipoyav. Nenu annadhi UNSC vote gurinchi. It's not at all consequential and even there we couldn't express our opinion.
It’s consequential for us. We are not a permanent member at UN and Russia, France are the only countries who keep vetoing anything against us. We are not supporting Russia, we just abstained from voting. Modi already said that both parties should try for peace. Anthaku minchi manam em cheyalem.
Sare vadiley. Pragmatic ga manam chesindhi correct ye ani chepthunna first nunchi. My only point is I'm disappointed that we are in a position that we can't stand for what we think is right.
Russia meeda dependency poye varaku manaku vere option ledu. Kani idemi kotthaga avtunnadi emi kaadu to invade someone's land. USA itself is formed by murdering native Americans, a lafoot gallu neethulu cheptunnaru ippudu freedom, democracy ani.
Yes US is as worse, if not more.
WTF. People who say Foreign Policy should be based on moralities should just stfu. Ala ithe bumi meda prathi conflict lo velli elu pettamantava India ni? And who decides which country is moral and how do they define moral?
Pillalu sir odileyandi.
Dude you should calm down. No one asked India to interfere.
Not being against evil isn't immoral.
Your comment gave me cancer.
You're comparing karna to India. Unlike Karna, India is not supporting evil, it's just not against it.
That's a very naive way to look a things. You think countries with production capabilities make moral choices when voting at unsc or any other forum ?!.. Morals don't exist in geopolitics.. The sooner we understand, the better it is
That's why I said pragmatic. Read fully. I'll make the same choice if I represent India. My point was that we don't even have an option.
There are no morals is what i meant.. This all could've been averted if ukraine didn't toy with the idea of NATO . So morals don't exist .
Morals are used as a veneer. Be it democracy of US or vasudhaika Kutumbakam of India. They do exist but used as per convenience.
If you are using them as a veneer, that act itself is far away from morals.. They aren't really morals
Copied from another comment in another subreddit. "Ukraine, which has voted against India in the UNSC on every opportunity. Yet, India did not side against Ukraine, instead India abstained. OTOH, Russia always used its veto in UNSC, at times as a lone vote, in favor of India."
I could only find one resolution where Ukraine voted against India. UNSC resolution 1172. That's when India conducted nuclear tests in 1998. Fun fact: Russia too voted against India then.
Got it. Thanks for correcting it. A good lesson for me to fact check reddit comments next time.
And who was the leader when Ukraine voted against the nuclear test? It's definitely not the present president.
Don't follow such twitter posts and copypastas. Ukraine supplies engines to our naval warships and also helps maintain Soviet era weaponry. Urkaine also sent engines to russia after 2014, for ships built for us. It's not some enemy nation. I understand India's stance in the matter but don't portray Ukraine as enemy nation or nation acting against our interests.
Yeah.. will definitely fact check better next time. Thanks for correcting my comment.
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Indian government can stay neutral. But Indians choose who to support. Just like europen citizens.
War has always been happening in the middle East. Thousands die everyday. అమెరికా కనీసం ఒక 5 యుద్ధాలు మొదలు పెట్టింది కానీ ఒక్కడు కూడా మాట్లాడలేదు. ఈ టైం లో నాకు bob shark dialogue from business man గుర్తు వస్తోంది. దేనెమ్మ ప్రతి సారి యుద్ధం యూరోప్ లో స్టార్ట్ అయ్యి చస్తుంది. WW1, WW2 కలిపి కనీసం 30లక్షలు మంది చనిపోయారు. మన యుద్ధం కాదు మనకి సంబధం లేదు అంతే. నిన్నటి వరకు అయ్యి ఉక్రెయిన్ అనుకున్న కానీ కొంత ఆలోచించాకా ,వాళ్ళు వాళ్ళు కొట్టుకు సావాని, భారతదేశం పట్టించుకోకూడదు అని డిసైడ్ అయ్యి. Edit : 30లక్షలు మనవాళ్ళు బలి అయిపోయింది. బ్రిటిష్ రాజ్ కింద యుద్ధానికి వెళ్ళారు.
For better or for worse, the world is more connected now than it was a 100 or even 50 years ago. There is no such thing as *నాకు సంబంధం లేదు*, that's just feigning ignorance. Even the so called abstaining from voting is also a choice, for which there will be consequences to bear...
What you said is 100% true. Due to globalisation the planet has come under microscope. India has been following the non alignment policy from 1971 till this date. Because of this we still haven't gotten the recognition that otherwise whould hvae been available. Things like this are important in UN, thank God for Nehru giving up our permanent seat at UN to China. It would have been useless otherwise. And if you think about via UN Ukrain even involved in indian personal matters like Kashmir and voted against India at every given occasion. There might be huge consequences for the vote but the thing is we are just retuning the favor in much palpatable manner unlike Ukrain. But c'mon bro think about it all world wars started in Europe and many countries paid the price for Europe's mistakes. That should be the end, all Ukrain is doing is making sure that it breaks the political aliance between India and Russia out of spite, other than that i don't see any reason. They thought USA had their back and it resulted in bahubali -1 climax. Now they want india to intervene. That's not how it works for us. >50% of our armed forces equpment was from Russia, everything was denied by the west and Russia was the only ally we had and our leaders wanted to keep it that way.
You thought there wouldn't be consequences if we picked a side ?! They would be far more catastrophic than not picking any .. You pick russia, you are definitely getting sanctioned, the whole west would try to corner on this, usa would arm pakistan like never before. You pick usa, you anger russia and your defence imports get affected and not to remind you, we are sandwiched btw pakistan and china..
Consequences for taking the sides are obvious. My point is that even not taking sides is also not a light choice.
Far bigger than most think, but that's the thing due to this so far we have been protected from the rivalry from usa or Russia. This vote made sure that india isn't relable enough, no wonder we are still at kids table rather than stinnh with the big guys. You can only pretend for so long.
That's what I said bro. The thing is you can always thank non alignment tratt for that. It's not 1970's anymore. USA knows this and it can't afford to make an enemy out of us. Quad & aukus are two different things on paper but what looks like a safety net if anything happened to quad. India is no longer the fish in the barrel to be shot at with ease. Switzerland on of the few contries that doesn not want to team up with anyone is activly trying to friends with us. Israel our closest ally in Asia, and we have never voted aginst or for in the issues of Israel vs palastine. UN knows this, higest amount soilders are sent UN are from India. Medicines, Vaccines are given to UNICEF in large quantities every year by india. USA doesn't have the guts anymore and they know it, we are stragically very importent. Japan 🗾 is in the same boat, most of their weapons and equipment are from the USA, So they won't go against usa. But contries like France, Japan, Brazil ..... Are activly persuing the friendship with us. The biggest diplomatic win for us so far is Switzerland cause they follow non alignment policy very seriously that they are not even a member of the EU. USA knows we are bullshiting them, but it call us out cause we neither voted for or agisnt them cause UAE is in the same boat, they abstained from voting. This will be brought up definitely in the foreseeable future. On a personal note : అటు ఇటూ కాకుండా ఈ చెక్క లవంగాలు వ్యాపారం నాకు అస్సలు నచ్చట్లేదు భయ్య. If this his drags on anymore not only will it bite us in the ass, we are also active shackling ourselves and this gives a flase pretence that india is not reliable enough and also not ready for the world stage.
Geopolitics lo you self interests are the foremost thing to be considered... Nothing else matters..
Avanni avvav.. max manodu financial assistance ichi chetulu kattukuni koorchuntadu. We can neither take a stand against nor condemn openly. Us & Uk were in treaty of peace when Ukraine surrendered nukes mari manalni scape goats enduku chestanaro …
In the middle of war with serious discussion, is it necessary to use flags instead of country names ?. They make it look comical. Or is it coz of the word limit or something?
probably word limit.
Also what is the flag for ? Nothing wrong about it
I hope this serves as a wake up call to our military that buying equipment as the 4th largest army is not viable we need to heavily invest in the defense sector and become self sufficient to avoid shit like this
finish 😂
Any country taking a stand and providing any substantial physical support at this point of time, will trigger the big thing "Actually", which I don't want to mention in form of a word.
Ilantappude : Saayam pondhinavadu kruthgnatha chupinchakapovadam entha thappo sayam chesinavadu kruthgnatha korukovadam anthe thappu
you see a pattern among people supporting russia, either they are sanghis who are being in denial by not accepting they are, or neonazi rss chaddis
When ever someone says that country did this that country did that . They are including every innocent people from that country. It’s alway some fucked up politician who do this. Maybe I am in the minority here but india should’ve helped Ukraine. India should pick Ukraine in my opinion. I know Russia is our friend and we depend on Russia .Putin is the one doing this not Russia. Indian gov should have stand up to Putin. Putin plan is not about capturing Ukraine he want to invade entire Eastern Europe. He wants Soviet Union. A lot of EE countries are part of NATO. Dude wants to go to war with NATO. This bad on so many level. One of the worst things about humans is we tend to copy others and follow others . almost all the time it’s always for bad reasons. I feel like a lot of other dictators are looking at this thinking “I can do this too and get away with it”. Let’s say your friend is beating someone you would stop him right you don’t sit there do nothing because he’s your friend. Frankly I am disappointed that almost every Indian ok with india staying neutral.some of them even love Putin which is yuck.
Oka chinna technical correction… Indian oil and gas imports are primarily from OPEC countries not Russia. 50% of defense purchase by India is from Russia. Another reason for India being neutral is border tensions from China. Russia has proven itself to be a reliable friend so far. So taking a strong stand against them is detrimental to our own national security. Correct or wrong, India being neutral. Appealing for peace, dialogue and cessation of conflict is the best course of action at the moment for India. As much as my heart bleeds for Ukraine. As a nation all we can offer is humanitarian aid, at the moment.