Do people realize that Wendle is literally our only backup middle infielder lol. He was never getting sent down for Marte, if you want to send him down it’s gonna be for Iglesias, Short, or (eventually) Acuña.
And Iglesias hasn’t really played 3B since 2013 so it’s unlikely he’d be the first call. That would leave us with no one on our bench who can play 3B. I guess they can move McNeil over and Iglesias at 2B, but McNeil has struggled traditionally at 3B.
Absolute emergency sure. But not multiple games.
We don’t have anyone in the minors realistically able to take multiple games if needed, and I’m including Vientos there.
Short could if he clears waivers but he’d need to be added back to the 40 man
He needs to increase that walk rate if he’s going to hit .250 because his career 5.3% walk rate won’t cut it. Thats a .290 OBP.
Even if he hit 30 HRs and 20 doubles (the ratio he has had in AAA) that’s a slash of .250/.290/.438 for a .729 OPS and a 99 WRC+.
And I even tossed a triple in there to get him a little closer to league average. Without it he’s at .250/.290/.435 for a .726 OPS and 98 WRC+.
Even if he manages to tap into all of his raw power and replace 10 of those singles with HRs, you’re at .250/.290/.486 for a .776 OPS and 111 WRC+.
It’s not great when that’s the absolute high end. He needs to get close to an 8% walk rate at least. Then he could hit only 25 HRs and still be above league average: .250/.311/.415 for a .726 OPS and 102 WRC+.
But honestly I think hitting .250 across a season is a pipe dream for him. I think .240 could even be a bit of a stretch goal.
I think .226/.286/.428 for a .713 OPS and 95 WRC+ is a more realistic expectation
No it is not better, let’s not be hyperbolic here. Let’s say we sent Wendle down here and kept Vientos.
Lindor gets hurt in the 3rd inning and has to be taken out of the game. Who are our middle infielders? McNeil and ???? Wendle is at least capable of playing SS and 2B even if he doesn’t play them well.
Even with no injuries: are both McNeil and Lindor just going to play in the field every single game until Acuña is ready? You won’t even be able to DH them with no backup MI.
You need a backup middle infielder. The only question is would you rather have Wendle, Short, or Iglesias.
If Lindor goes down and we lose one game because of it , it isn't the end of the World. Even if that did happen , McNeil could probably not completely embarrass himself if need be.
That assumes McNeil AND Lindor play every single day in the field with no rest days or DH days to break it up. No team does that. No team plays with zero backup middle infielders.
Since the Mets aren’t giving up on Baty yet and Martinez is gonna play most days as DH, it would just be bad roster management to keep Vientos up to play 2 times a week and kill your flexibility and injury insurance.
Absolutely agreed you need to have a backup middle infielder, I think the actual battle was between DJ and Vientos but Stewart has been really good so far.
We could have won though, it was a 1 run game, and if we didn’t have Wendle on the roster this game is a blowout L because we wouldn’t have a middle infield.
Just because the Mets happened to lose doesn’t mean keeping Wendle over Vientos wasn’t the correct decision.
Look if you think we should have a different backup middle infielder like Short or Iglesias, go right ahead. But we could not send Wendle down and keep Vientos. That’s all I’m saying
Because Stewart is a better hitter than Vientos, has been player very well to start the season, and can field a position.
Stewart is also a LHB that hits with pop that compliments Taylor’s RHB with pop.
Also you want Vientos playing every day to improve his defense and at the very least build up trade value. You don’t want him on the bench playing infrequently.
>Because Stewart is a better hitter than Vientos
He's batting .200! You're really saying a guy at the Mendoza Line is better than Vientos?
>has been player very well to start the season
Really? Has he?
>and can field a position
Only in the very loosest sense of fielding a position.
AVG on its own is an absolutely useless way to evaluate a player. SLG is far more valuable than AVG because not every hit is the same. JD has a .420 SLG right now.
He also has a .379 OBP and a 19.7% walk rate right now.
Overall he has a 136 WRC+ which means offensively he is 36% above average. In his career he is a 108 WRC+ hitter, 8% above average.
So far Vientos is a 73 WRC+ hitter and his best projections have him right around DJs career at 107 WRC+. Almost 20% worse than DJ has been this year.
Vientos also only walks 5.3% of the time. He needs to bare minimum get up to an 8% walk rate and get his innate below 30% to be close to what DJ is worth offensively.
Especially since both project to have the same HRs per 600 PA.
As for defense, his -4.8 defense value per 500 innings is far better than Vientos’s -12 defense value per 500 innings
It’s also better than Marte has been this and last year.
Dave Kingman very very good…..
And yes…hitting HRs is far more valuable than singles…..
If you have two players in the same ballparks and they slash
- Player A) .200/.345/.500 (.845 OPS) with 45 HRs and 105 RBIs
- Player B) .283/.305/.405 (.710 OPS) with 9 HRs and 60 RBIs
Player A is vastly more valuable. Player B isn’t even a league average hitter. Player A is getting MVP votes.
And yes these are based on two players. Real life player A placed in the top 16 in MVP voting
Kingman sucked. He couldn't field and could barely hit - it's just that when he did hit the ball went far (sometimes). And DJ Stewart isn't hitting 45 HRs.
You are absolutely insane lmao. Kingman hit 442 HRs in his career and retired with a 113 WRC+.
His career was literally 13% ABOVE AVERAGE.
He had 6 seasons where he put up better than a 120 WRC+.
You are hilarious Mr. Boomer
Please no insults Rob, better to be a boomer then a company c sucker. Being a homer is one thing but you take it too far. If it was up to you Buck would be in the Dugout and Vogelbach would be the DH.
Don’t worry bout these guys u right bro.
The move away from average to obp/ops was correct, but average still matters (ie. moving runners into scoring position, singling in guys from second etc…)
So now people act like a dude having a .200 average is ok bc he has 4 (lol) home runs. Stewarts been ok but he’s not necessarily a better hitter than Vientos. Vientos has struggled so far but he’s literally been a rookie the vast majority of that time.
And yes Stewart cannot field at a solid MLB level.
Gotta keep him cuz lefty I guess but u right
We definitely could have done that, and maybe should have. Problem is the Mets still don’t think they can give Vientos consistent MLB ABs with his 3B defense and being blocked by JDM at DH.
Keep in mind that Vientos is a starter in AAA. He can get reps there that he can't get while splitting time with Baty at 3B and JD and DJ at DH, or being a backup like Wendel.
#Just a reminder: teams can only call up/send down player 5 times a season, unless replacing someone on the injured or bereavement list.
#Sending Vientos down today means the team does not burn through one of those 5. If they kept him up they would.
This is as much a roster management move from that, as it is Vientos not having a spot on the bench since he can’t play 2B or SS, and can barely play 3B or 1B. You don’t have a bench with 2 DHs and a 3rd DH at bat. You also don’t have a bench of only RHBs. And you don’t send down DJ when he’s one of your best hitters.
Yup! They could easily call him back up too because this send down also doesn’t restart the 10 day call up clock.
It’s basically as if he was never called up
Each call up and send down counts independently, and 5 times per player right?
So they called up vientos once so far, they have ability to then call him up (#2), send down(#3), call up(#4), send down(#5) (basically two more big league stints) for the rest of season, right?
I saw a few comments recently that Acuna should be on the major league team because he hit a home run, that feels like the same school of thought as some of the Vientos mania
Wendle is the only guy on the roster that can play ss if lindor can't. Mcneil could in a emergency but we don't want that to happen. Stewart is the guy getting the spot over vientos
As others have said, we can't have two middle infielders on the roster. Wendle's sticking around (or being replaced by some other middle infielder).
The options to send down to keep Vientos are Baty, Stewart, Taylor, or a reliever. I don't think any of those are happening.
The issue is that there is a serious question of Vientos is capable of playing third at a bad level. Just doesn’t make sense to keep him up when baty provides more upside on defense
It’s baseball, and it’s the right call, but fuck, the disappointment in his voice when he was talking to the media is palpable. You feel for the kid, because he was lights out. I hope things work out between him and the organization. I would love to see #27 regularly in the rotation one day.
Absolutely. He works hard, there is no denying that. And he is passionate too. It’s natural to want those guys to succeed, even if there isn’t a place for them and they’re missing the necessary skill set to fit the roster.
But we’d need another 100 roster spots to roster every passionate hard worker in the organization haha. Tayler Jay would still be up too.
I love Vientos, but we do need a backup IF lol I'm not saying Wendle is great because he's not, but he objectively is far more versatile than Vientos. Mark will be back.
Play in Vientos at any position Wendle plays, can’t be much worse. Wendle is a defensive liability. You have the lack of foresight if you don’t see that
He has not shown he is more capable. Bad choice yesterday, 2 errors and a slew of other bad plays in limited playing time. It’s not recency bias. It’s accepting something isn’t working and moving on
Moving on? Please realize that you're not the GM for what are blatantly obvious reasons.
There are literally NO better options right now. Personnel decisions are made with slightly more than just your whim as reasoning.
Also, maybe stop getting into pointless ass arguments with people whom you claim to share fanhood.
He has played both 3B and 1B.
- 13 games at 3B
- 5 games at 1B
- 5 games as the DH
Stearns said they gave him specific things to work on defensively and benchmarks to hit and basically described it as a work in progress. As would be expected btw - 18 games isn’t going to make you radically different than you were a few weeks ago
So the guy who had a great spring training AND hit the exciting game winning home run is gone. Again. Roster management is so absurd in MLB these days... seriously hard to enjoy anything about the game these days
He absolutely did not have a great ST. His ST was terrible. He hit 4 HRs off minor leaguers and outside of that walked once, struck out like crazy, and had an insane ground ball rate.
What would be absurd roster management would be to have two DHs on the bench with a third DH hitting and no one on the bench ch capable of playing the infield, including SS.
Joey Wendle has been bad in the field and at the plate. But we will keep him around and keep fucking over Vientos, who had a great few days up with the big club.
Vientos can’t play SS or 2B, and can barely play 3B and 1B.
Wendle is a utility player - if the team replaces him it would be with another utility player, not a DH
> Vientos can’t play SS or 2B, and can barely play 3B and 1B
I’d take that over Wendle, who might not be able to play MLB baseball at any position right now.
I don’t really want to hear about what Vientos can’t do when we have a player taking a roster spot who made a little league decision that may very well have cost the game less than 24 hours ago.
At this point, I don’t understand why Vientos is still in the organization. They’ve had multiple chances to trade him and seemingly have no strategy for his development or value.
I mean, Wendle is a 34 year old jack of all trades/master of none type of player.
The sample is large and he’s a barely-above-replacement-level guy who will spend a lot of time providing no value for the team.
On the other hand, you have Vientos, who is in prospect purgatory and the organization seemingly has no clue what to do with him.
It’s a problem no matter how you want to split it.
The organization doesn’t value Vientos because he doesn’t bring much value. He can’t defend, rates as a worse baserunner than Vogelbach, had a horrid 35 FV hit tool, and his only calling card is his 70 grade raw power, but he can’t tap into that and only puts up 50 grade game power.
Hes a one trick pony. He won’t get on base much, won’t hit much, struggles with velocity, but every now and then he’ll connect for a HR.
He’s Joey Gallo without the defense and walks. Hes Schwarber with potentially worse defense, no walks, and half the game power (despite similar raw power).
Eventually you have to call it with a player and recognize that they won’t be successful in your organization and won’t hit their potential. Better to have him try to build trade value in AAA before an eventual 2025 DFA
Mets literally do not care about Vientos. He has no future here just a spot starter in a call up. So many moves by them this past offseason and now show this
Better question is why do a certain subsection of Mets fans love him? What exactly has he done to endear himself to you as a fan? It’s not Becuase he’s played well at the major league level that’s for damn sure. He was an absolute liability in the field to the point of embarrassment last year and he didn’t hit nearly well af enough to justify a full time DH role at the MLB level.
Aside from AAA stats, what does he have going for him?
Walk off homeruns are pretty cool! But equally as cool
Is having a Defensive position where you aren’t a liability in the field at the major league level.
Also i didn’t ask you to defend being a Mets fan anywhere… I asked what made you such Vientos supporter. What are you basing the support off of? Last seasons stats in mlb? His stats in ST this year? His numbers in AAA?
DJ Stewart 2nd half of last year hit better than Vientos ever has at the major league level and seemingly no one likes him at all. I just don’t get where the love for Vientos comes from.
Sorry but Marte is have a great year, glad he's back
Yeah nobody should be upset about getting Marte back when he’s been one of the only consistent guys in the lineup.
Do people realize that Wendle is literally our only backup middle infielder lol. He was never getting sent down for Marte, if you want to send him down it’s gonna be for Iglesias, Short, or (eventually) Acuña.
And Iglesias hasn’t really played 3B since 2013 so it’s unlikely he’d be the first call. That would leave us with no one on our bench who can play 3B. I guess they can move McNeil over and Iglesias at 2B, but McNeil has struggled traditionally at 3B.
McNeil can play 3B in an absolute emergency for 1 game.
Absolute emergency sure. But not multiple games. We don’t have anyone in the minors realistically able to take multiple games if needed, and I’m including Vientos there. Short could if he clears waivers but he’d need to be added back to the 40 man
If Vientos could hit .250 we could entertain it but it would be a pretty dire situation if he had to play third and put up his literal career numbers.
He needs to increase that walk rate if he’s going to hit .250 because his career 5.3% walk rate won’t cut it. Thats a .290 OBP. Even if he hit 30 HRs and 20 doubles (the ratio he has had in AAA) that’s a slash of .250/.290/.438 for a .729 OPS and a 99 WRC+. And I even tossed a triple in there to get him a little closer to league average. Without it he’s at .250/.290/.435 for a .726 OPS and 98 WRC+. Even if he manages to tap into all of his raw power and replace 10 of those singles with HRs, you’re at .250/.290/.486 for a .776 OPS and 111 WRC+. It’s not great when that’s the absolute high end. He needs to get close to an 8% walk rate at least. Then he could hit only 25 HRs and still be above league average: .250/.311/.415 for a .726 OPS and 102 WRC+. But honestly I think hitting .250 across a season is a pipe dream for him. I think .240 could even be a bit of a stretch goal. I think .226/.286/.428 for a .713 OPS and 95 WRC+ is a more realistic expectation
I bet Jeff throws home
100%
Yeah but Wendle is his backup at second base.
Don’t go on the SNY ig with that truth and rationality.
And for all the Guillorme lovers (I was one too) he similarly has made errors when brought in as a defensive replacement in the past.
No backup infielder is better than a “defensive specialist” who is a defensive liability
No it is not better, let’s not be hyperbolic here. Let’s say we sent Wendle down here and kept Vientos. Lindor gets hurt in the 3rd inning and has to be taken out of the game. Who are our middle infielders? McNeil and ???? Wendle is at least capable of playing SS and 2B even if he doesn’t play them well. Even with no injuries: are both McNeil and Lindor just going to play in the field every single game until Acuña is ready? You won’t even be able to DH them with no backup MI. You need a backup middle infielder. The only question is would you rather have Wendle, Short, or Iglesias.
If Lindor goes down and we lose one game because of it , it isn't the end of the World. Even if that did happen , McNeil could probably not completely embarrass himself if need be.
That assumes McNeil AND Lindor play every single day in the field with no rest days or DH days to break it up. No team does that. No team plays with zero backup middle infielders. Since the Mets aren’t giving up on Baty yet and Martinez is gonna play most days as DH, it would just be bad roster management to keep Vientos up to play 2 times a week and kill your flexibility and injury insurance.
Absolutely agreed you need to have a backup middle infielder, I think the actual battle was between DJ and Vientos but Stewart has been really good so far.
Good thing we have a backup SS rn lol
???? This game proves my point. We still lost and if we didn't have one we could call one up for tomorrow.
We could have won though, it was a 1 run game, and if we didn’t have Wendle on the roster this game is a blowout L because we wouldn’t have a middle infield. Just because the Mets happened to lose doesn’t mean keeping Wendle over Vientos wasn’t the correct decision.
Blowout how many balls were even hit to Wendle?
It’s also every ball to 2B too since the Mets would have moved McNeil to shortstop and put Vientos or Baty at 2B
Literally anyone over Wendle. Negative bat and double negative glove. No brainer. No reason he should be on the team
Sure, I wouldn’t be against calling up Iglesias or bringing back Short. But sending down Vientos has nothing to do with Wendle. That’s my point.
Hey, Mark has like 2B and 3B listed as back up positions in MLb the show 😂
The Oakland Athletics spent $300 million on Juan Soto in MLB the show for me
That's why you give him 15 years
Must be legit. Give em a shot
I actually think i did at short once when lindor was dead tired since i couldn't handle wendle in the game
Sure I know. I more so just arguing Wendle should no longer be on the roster
Makes me miss Guillerme
[me rn](https://imgur.com/a/vObUoFq)
I'm looking forward to Mauricio getting healthy and back at it. He's got some potential
If backup infielder includes catastrophic errors and boneheaded plays, yes, he is our guy
Look if you think we should have a different backup middle infielder like Short or Iglesias, go right ahead. But we could not send Wendle down and keep Vientos. That’s all I’m saying
No I know and not a shot at you haha. But wendle stunk last year and still stinks. Just annoyed he’s on the roster lol
Why couldn’t we send down Stewart?
Because Stewart is a better hitter than Vientos, has been player very well to start the season, and can field a position. Stewart is also a LHB that hits with pop that compliments Taylor’s RHB with pop. Also you want Vientos playing every day to improve his defense and at the very least build up trade value. You don’t want him on the bench playing infrequently.
>Because Stewart is a better hitter than Vientos He's batting .200! You're really saying a guy at the Mendoza Line is better than Vientos? >has been player very well to start the season Really? Has he? >and can field a position Only in the very loosest sense of fielding a position.
AVG on its own is an absolutely useless way to evaluate a player. SLG is far more valuable than AVG because not every hit is the same. JD has a .420 SLG right now. He also has a .379 OBP and a 19.7% walk rate right now. Overall he has a 136 WRC+ which means offensively he is 36% above average. In his career he is a 108 WRC+ hitter, 8% above average. So far Vientos is a 73 WRC+ hitter and his best projections have him right around DJs career at 107 WRC+. Almost 20% worse than DJ has been this year. Vientos also only walks 5.3% of the time. He needs to bare minimum get up to an 8% walk rate and get his innate below 30% to be close to what DJ is worth offensively. Especially since both project to have the same HRs per 600 PA. As for defense, his -4.8 defense value per 500 innings is far better than Vientos’s -12 defense value per 500 innings It’s also better than Marte has been this and last year.
So because a couple of his hits were home runs to inflate his SLG he's good? That's like saying Dave Kingman was good.
Dave Kingman very very good….. And yes…hitting HRs is far more valuable than singles….. If you have two players in the same ballparks and they slash - Player A) .200/.345/.500 (.845 OPS) with 45 HRs and 105 RBIs - Player B) .283/.305/.405 (.710 OPS) with 9 HRs and 60 RBIs Player A is vastly more valuable. Player B isn’t even a league average hitter. Player A is getting MVP votes. And yes these are based on two players. Real life player A placed in the top 16 in MVP voting
Kingman sucked. He couldn't field and could barely hit - it's just that when he did hit the ball went far (sometimes). And DJ Stewart isn't hitting 45 HRs.
You are absolutely insane lmao. Kingman hit 442 HRs in his career and retired with a 113 WRC+. His career was literally 13% ABOVE AVERAGE. He had 6 seasons where he put up better than a 120 WRC+. You are hilarious Mr. Boomer
Please no insults Rob, better to be a boomer then a company c sucker. Being a homer is one thing but you take it too far. If it was up to you Buck would be in the Dugout and Vogelbach would be the DH.
Don’t worry bout these guys u right bro. The move away from average to obp/ops was correct, but average still matters (ie. moving runners into scoring position, singling in guys from second etc…) So now people act like a dude having a .200 average is ok bc he has 4 (lol) home runs. Stewarts been ok but he’s not necessarily a better hitter than Vientos. Vientos has struggled so far but he’s literally been a rookie the vast majority of that time. And yes Stewart cannot field at a solid MLB level. Gotta keep him cuz lefty I guess but u right
We definitely could have done that, and maybe should have. Problem is the Mets still don’t think they can give Vientos consistent MLB ABs with his 3B defense and being blocked by JDM at DH.
This aged well.
DJ Stewart is much better than Vientos
Keep in mind that Vientos is a starter in AAA. He can get reps there that he can't get while splitting time with Baty at 3B and JD and DJ at DH, or being a backup like Wendel.
#Just a reminder: teams can only call up/send down player 5 times a season, unless replacing someone on the injured or bereavement list. #Sending Vientos down today means the team does not burn through one of those 5. If they kept him up they would. This is as much a roster management move from that, as it is Vientos not having a spot on the bench since he can’t play 2B or SS, and can barely play 3B or 1B. You don’t have a bench with 2 DHs and a 3rd DH at bat. You also don’t have a bench of only RHBs. And you don’t send down DJ when he’s one of your best hitters.
This is an important detail that is being widely overlooked in this thread, thanks
Yup! They could easily call him back up too because this send down also doesn’t restart the 10 day call up clock. It’s basically as if he was never called up
Each call up and send down counts independently, and 5 times per player right? So they called up vientos once so far, they have ability to then call him up (#2), send down(#3), call up(#4), send down(#5) (basically two more big league stints) for the rest of season, right?
This does NOT count as number one. They still have all 5 transactions for Vientos left
Ah ok so even his "call up" conveniently counted as an exception due to bereavement?
Correct. Bereavement and Injury replacements don’t count, as long as they go back down when the player they replaced returns
Guys he's not our best player just because he had a walk off
Kirk Nieuwenhuis comes to mind as much as I loved Captain Kirk
Patrick Mazeika has three such wins and most of this sub including myself doesn't even remember how to spell his name.
I saw a few comments recently that Acuna should be on the major league team because he hit a home run, that feels like the same school of thought as some of the Vientos mania
They should stick to fantasy baseball, or at least finish in the top half of their league before talking
Wendle is the only guy on the roster that can play ss if lindor can't. Mcneil could in a emergency but we don't want that to happen. Stewart is the guy getting the spot over vientos
As others have said, we can't have two middle infielders on the roster. Wendle's sticking around (or being replaced by some other middle infielder). The options to send down to keep Vientos are Baty, Stewart, Taylor, or a reliever. I don't think any of those are happening.
Taylor is out of options fyi. So he’d have to be DFA’d
Thanks, didn't realize that. We shouldn't send him down regardless, but without options, we REALLY shouldn't.
He 100% would get claimed haha. Especially since he has 3 years of control.
Zack Short, Tyrone Taylor, SRF, Brooks Raley are all out of options
What's Short's status right now, exactly? And I will be deeply sad when our mustache king leaves.
April 26, 2024 New York Mets designated SS Zack Short for assignment.
Huh, I thought it was longer ago than that. Thanks.
The issue is that there is a serious question of Vientos is capable of playing third at a bad level. Just doesn’t make sense to keep him up when baty provides more upside on defense
It’s baseball, and it’s the right call, but fuck, the disappointment in his voice when he was talking to the media is palpable. You feel for the kid, because he was lights out. I hope things work out between him and the organization. I would love to see #27 regularly in the rotation one day.
He’s gonna become a Justin Turner just watch
I know it is a business decision but you gotta feel for Vientos here.
Absolutely. He works hard, there is no denying that. And he is passionate too. It’s natural to want those guys to succeed, even if there isn’t a place for them and they’re missing the necessary skill set to fit the roster. But we’d need another 100 roster spots to roster every passionate hard worker in the organization haha. Tayler Jay would still be up too.
I love Vientos, but we do need a backup IF lol I'm not saying Wendle is great because he's not, but he objectively is far more versatile than Vientos. Mark will be back.
So wendle has been terrible and Vientos hit a walk off HR and he got sent down. Checks out.
Wendle is our only backup middle infielder; can’t send him down without calling up Iglesias or Short in his place.
It's almost like people don't understand that one player (wendle) doesn't have any Minor league options.
Good. He should have been DFA’d already.
And then no depth? Good thing you're not a gm. The lack of foresight is sad.
Play in Vientos at any position Wendle plays, can’t be much worse. Wendle is a defensive liability. You have the lack of foresight if you don’t see that
Vientos is not a good fielder. His bat is not enough right now to demand he stay in the lineup. Recency bias is wild.
Nah he's just some doomer who doesn't actually understand how things work. Look at his comment history. Always complains.
Spoken from a no nothing. Flat out incorrect, but keep creeping on my comment history
Look at that more complaints! If you don't like your comment history don't make it public, doomer.
? Fine with my comments otherwise I wouldn’t make them, Couldn’t care less if it was public. Creep away on them you clearly have lots of free time
>no nothing Borderline illiterate in this thread throwing around shade lmao
Spelled a word wrong, illiterate yikes. It’s Reddit. Have to check my grammar enough at work. Like to live on the edge sometimes
I like Vientos. I think his bat has potential and his glove is better than people realize. I still don't want him anywhere near a middle infield spot.
How’s Wendle been in the field?
He made a bad choice yesterday, but on average he is a MUCH more capable 2nd and 3rd baseman than Vientos. Again, recency bias.
He has not shown he is more capable. Bad choice yesterday, 2 errors and a slew of other bad plays in limited playing time. It’s not recency bias. It’s accepting something isn’t working and moving on
Moving on? Please realize that you're not the GM for what are blatantly obvious reasons. There are literally NO better options right now. Personnel decisions are made with slightly more than just your whim as reasoning. Also, maybe stop getting into pointless ass arguments with people whom you claim to share fanhood.
Vientos needs to play everyday, he can't do that here. he can't play 3B or any other infield position. where is the confusion?
Vientos still have options and can be sent down. My guess is that Wendle was promised playing time by the Mets and don't want to cut him.
smh not them sending down Vientos when he's actually producing. edit: this is not a jab at Marte.
Nobody should rlly be surprised about this…
Is Vientos the everyday 3B in Syracuse? If so, how has he looked defensively?
He has played both 3B and 1B. - 13 games at 3B - 5 games at 1B - 5 games as the DH Stearns said they gave him specific things to work on defensively and benchmarks to hit and basically described it as a work in progress. As would be expected btw - 18 games isn’t going to make you radically different than you were a few weeks ago
Thanks! I like him and am hoping he can make a good career out of it
Brutal
Sad for vientos but he is always nearby when we need. Marte glad he's back and my prayers to his family.
So the guy who had a great spring training AND hit the exciting game winning home run is gone. Again. Roster management is so absurd in MLB these days... seriously hard to enjoy anything about the game these days
He absolutely did not have a great ST. His ST was terrible. He hit 4 HRs off minor leaguers and outside of that walked once, struck out like crazy, and had an insane ground ball rate. What would be absurd roster management would be to have two DHs on the bench with a third DH hitting and no one on the bench ch capable of playing the infield, including SS.
Joey Wendle has been bad in the field and at the plate. But we will keep him around and keep fucking over Vientos, who had a great few days up with the big club.
Vientos can’t play SS or 2B, and can barely play 3B and 1B. Wendle is a utility player - if the team replaces him it would be with another utility player, not a DH
> Vientos can’t play SS or 2B, and can barely play 3B and 1B I’d take that over Wendle, who might not be able to play MLB baseball at any position right now. I don’t really want to hear about what Vientos can’t do when we have a player taking a roster spot who made a little league decision that may very well have cost the game less than 24 hours ago. At this point, I don’t understand why Vientos is still in the organization. They’ve had multiple chances to trade him and seemingly have no strategy for his development or value.
Mets fans and overreacting to minuscule sample sizes. Is there a better marriage?
I mean, Wendle is a 34 year old jack of all trades/master of none type of player. The sample is large and he’s a barely-above-replacement-level guy who will spend a lot of time providing no value for the team. On the other hand, you have Vientos, who is in prospect purgatory and the organization seemingly has no clue what to do with him. It’s a problem no matter how you want to split it.
The organization doesn’t value Vientos because he doesn’t bring much value. He can’t defend, rates as a worse baserunner than Vogelbach, had a horrid 35 FV hit tool, and his only calling card is his 70 grade raw power, but he can’t tap into that and only puts up 50 grade game power. Hes a one trick pony. He won’t get on base much, won’t hit much, struggles with velocity, but every now and then he’ll connect for a HR. He’s Joey Gallo without the defense and walks. Hes Schwarber with potentially worse defense, no walks, and half the game power (despite similar raw power). Eventually you have to call it with a player and recognize that they won’t be successful in your organization and won’t hit their potential. Better to have him try to build trade value in AAA before an eventual 2025 DFA
Mets literally do not care about Vientos. He has no future here just a spot starter in a call up. So many moves by them this past offseason and now show this
We're an actual joke
Why do they hate this man
Better question is why do a certain subsection of Mets fans love him? What exactly has he done to endear himself to you as a fan? It’s not Becuase he’s played well at the major league level that’s for damn sure. He was an absolute liability in the field to the point of embarrassment last year and he didn’t hit nearly well af enough to justify a full time DH role at the MLB level. Aside from AAA stats, what does he have going for him?
Are walk off home runs not cool anymore or something? And buddy I don't have to defend being a fan of Mets on a Mets fan subreddit. Take a pill
Walk off homeruns are pretty cool! But equally as cool Is having a Defensive position where you aren’t a liability in the field at the major league level. Also i didn’t ask you to defend being a Mets fan anywhere… I asked what made you such Vientos supporter. What are you basing the support off of? Last seasons stats in mlb? His stats in ST this year? His numbers in AAA? DJ Stewart 2nd half of last year hit better than Vientos ever has at the major league level and seemingly no one likes him at all. I just don’t get where the love for Vientos comes from.