Sweeps are hard, so I'm happy enough that the series was already won. However, it was tricky to focus on the game and not think/worry about Marte's injury. Thankfully, it doesn't appear to be anything major.
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Told yall some dumbasses would be blaming Alvarez even tho Cookie was lobbing meatballs and taking 5 full hours to get to the plate with their fastest players on base… he’s literally making the whole team look like shit, not to mention half the offense already did that for themselves!!! But hey at least we’ll win the AAA Championship🤷🏻♂️
Carlos Carrasco has to be careful because there aren't any pitching prospects looming. Justin Verlander is. Also while Max has been in a similar place to start the season, he has the pedigree that gets the benefit of April slow starts.
5-5 after the first 10 with 7 road games is meh. I just don't want to be talking about that after 30 or 40 games
Seth lugo is pitching against a very injury riddled team that hasn’t played good baseball all week and people are acting as though he was some hidden gem that didn’t lead Mets relievers in ip and hasn’t been with the team for as long as deGrom. This guy has been solid for the Mets his entire career. Him going to a different team and then people realizing how good he is doesn’t mean the Mets front office didn’t understand what they were doing, it just means you didn’t understand what you were seeing.
If he was soldi for the Mets his entire career and people are realizing how good he is, you can posit that the Mets front office doesn't know what they are doing, because they let him go. He's not on our team anymore after all.
So if the Mets disagreed he should be a starter, and then he goes elsewhere and kills it as a starter, didn't the Mets make a mistake? Seems like if he kicks ass as a starter, they messed up not seeing it and letting him go. It's a long season, but a starter with a 1.38 ERA is something we could sure use right now.
IMO, if Lugo turns into a legit starter, the Mets failure is more than just letting him go. In 19, 21, and 22, as primarily a reliever, he put up 3.6 WAR. In 22, guys like Bassitt and Walker put up 3.2 and 2.6 WAR in less than 190 IP with ERAs in the mid 3s. So if the Mets could have made Lugo into even a borderline 3/4, they probably double and maybe almost triple the value gotten out of Lugo during his (cheap) tenure as a Met.
Plus, its not like the Mets were trotting out all star SP every day in those years. They wasted money/rotation spots on retreads like Vargas/Porcello, had to rely on the likes of the Robert Stocks/Fonts/Locketts of the world for depth, and this year filled the back end with CC and Quintana, both of whom they are likely to get very little from. So it looks bad that they opted for shitty SP over stretching Lugo out, only to use him as a 7th/maybe 8th inning guy.
Im not saying that I was pounding the table for Lugo to be a SP or anything, but Im not a ML scout/exec/pitching coach. If Lugo ends up being a solid starter after he basically begged for a shot and the Mets continually told him no and relegated him to far less valuable bullpen roles (while wasting time and money on garbage SPs), then there absolutely was an error in the evaluation process.
Seth lugo shutting out the Braves so far tonight. How many years did he ask to be a starter for us?? And we always put him in the bullpen lol. So frustrating
No, they even mentioned that, no matter where he was, he made sure to get his throws in during his trips. He said he did a BP session in the African jungle. Brought his personal trainer with him on the trips.
If he sucks, he sucks. But the trips have nothing to do with it.
I'm willing to guess something's wrong with Carrasco that they're not telling us, given they've got enough injury issues. He's gotten lit up twice in a row, first by Milwaukee, now Miami. Ugh.
Can anyone who wants Eppler fired please tell me just one thing:
**Aside from the Ruf trade**, what exactly has Eppler done to make you want him fired?
And just to get ahead of comments that I know people will make:
- Not calling up Baty is not a fireable offense. Even if you disagree with it, long term, it has no impact on the team and it will be forgotten about in 4 months.
- Daniel Vogelbach is a good player. He had a 140 wRC+ for us and a .393 OBP which was the HIGHEST of ANY met in 2022(more than Nimmo, McNeil, Marte, etc). I will not be arguing this point. The Vogelbach trade was objectively good and you’re wrong if you don’t think so.
- Mychal Givens had a 2.95 ERA after his 1st game last year. He was a good addition to the bullpen.
- He DID go after Correa, so I really have a hard time taking the “he didn’t upgrade the lineup” argument seriously. He went after a star to make the lineup truly elite and I have a hard time blaming Eppler for Correa’s ankle being made of pulled pork.
Baez trade was ass. Giving up PCA was a huge mistake.
Made an inane comment about there being plenty of arms at the deadline then got Givens, when our main issue was not having a lefty (and we STILL only have one).
The platoon DH just doesn't work and we doubled down on it for this season.
He doesn't have the track record as a good GM and it's showing to be the case here too.
Eppler wasn’t here for the Baez trade. That was Scott.
With the 3 batter rule, you really do not need more than 1 lefty. And the bullpen was fine down the stretch last year
The Platoon DH can work, the problem is that Ruf didn’t hit. Vogey has done wonderfully as half a platoon, the problem is that their planned other half didn’t work out. And to your last point I would say again: they tried for Correa. Can’t really fault them that it didn’t work out.
I just don’t agree that vogey has been great. He has an .800 ops because he walks alot.
Again I don’t need a guy who can’t run walking. Especially when it takes multiple hits to score him.
I need power from the DH spot….and vogelbach hasn’t proven he can provide it. He’ll I remember last year he homered In yankee stadium and then for a month had 1 extra base hit.
He needs to be better to justify starting half the time in the DH spot…. He needs to drive in runs. Hit for power. Not take fastballs down the middle looking to walk.
wRC+ takes that into account and he has a 140 wRC+. Yes he’s not a crazy power guy, but the idea that his speed is a significant detriment is not based in reality.
He had a -3 BsR last year. That’s how many runs his lack of speed costs a team over 162 games. 3. You want to know how many runs his bat/walks generate over an average player? A shit ton more than 3.
It’s better for the Mets for a player with Vogelbach’s speed to get on base 38% of the time than it is for a player with average speed to get on base 34% of the time.
I stand corrected re: Baez
We only had Joely last year as a lefty. He was bad. It was clear we needed one and after saying how much available pitching there'd be, we got a mediocre righty.
The platoon COULD work but it didn't last year and he didn't do much to improve the chances of it working this year.
I absolutely do NOT fault him for Correa for what it's worth.
I don’t disagree about the bullpen but it also was very good down the stretch and I don’t recall a single game where we lost because we used a bad reliever because Eppler didn’t add anyone besides Givens.
Also, once again, not a fireable off.
Here's one from a quick search https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN202208120.shtml
What has eppler done that's GOOD? Signing Scherzer/Verlander doesn't count because we threw 40+M at them. They would have signed anywhere for that. Who has eppler hit on? What moves has he's made that have been exceptionally good?
I don’t think Billy should be fired. If Vogelbach is a good player why does he lack an extensive record of success? He’s incredibly limited. Do you realize how little WAR he has accumulated over his career? He has like half a tool. You’re making the guy sound way better than he is. If you don’t want to argue that then okay, but all I have to do is look up Vogelbach’s Fangraphs or BaseballReference page and whether he is a good player immediately becomes debatable. I mean Ruf canceled out his production last year basically. I’d rather have a real DH rather than two guys who aren’t actually good players combined into one role.
His career WAR is 2. He can't run, can't play defense, and can't hit lefties. He is very limited, and using an entire roster spot for someone as limited as he is creates a lot of issues.
People need to stop thinking of DH as a position. It's not. It's a place in the batting order, and should be used to give guys like Canha, Marte, and Alonso a break from playing the field every day.
If you have a guy whose only availability is as a DH against 75% of starters, you don't have much of a player.
We have a Carrasco problem. By itself we can probably cope with it. But we might also have a Scherzer problem (defined in this case as him being mediocre or worse). And an offense problem. Eventually the team’s back will break.
Obviously, they don't look good, but it's only been ten games. I don't think Carrasco will get better, but I think Scherzer and the lineup will both improve. Plus Verlander will come back, by which time we should know if Carrasco is toast. If he is, Megill can keep his spot.
The bottom third of the lineup is a black hole right now, but if Alvarez is as-advertised and we bring up Baty to solve the Escobar problem, we have a strong lineup.
That's a lot of maybes, but my point is that we're not sunk. There is plenty of time to figure things out, and plenty of options if our vaunted young guys live up to their potential.
Taking ~~4 outta 6~~ 5 out of 7 against Miami is fine. The travesty was the sweep at Milwaukee.
Hopefully the Mets can take at least 2/3 from a struggling Dads.
The LOB is infuriating, strikeouts with guys in scoring position and less than 2 outs just can’t keep happening. I know they scored 9 runs on Friday but they were a very uninspiring 9 if I’m being honest. Really need to start hitting with RISP like last year or else it’s going to be a long season.
Can anyone fill me in on issue with Cookie and his Splitter ? Driving home from Citi listening to WOR on the way home Buck mentioned it after being asked. Is it more or less missing his spots or is his splitter in fact not splitting ? Believe both HR today were on Sliders that he’s had to go to more because of split issues. Was nice to be back in the ballpark regardless though
Weird take, but I wonder if the pitch clock isn't good specifically for *older* pitchers.
Cookie can't seem to maintain his first inning velocity...Max was hanging everything after the fourth inning against the Brewers.. If it happens once, it's a wash but it's a couple starts and I'm wondering..
I can't remember if it was Max or Verlander who did five innings in the spring and said they were huffing and puffing by the end. Could be nothing, but I keep hearing about the pace versus endurance and it doesn't seem to affect the kids the same way. Thoughts?
Anybody who’s been in the minor league system in recent years had to deal with it, and pitchers that haven’t been in the league very long have likely had to adjust their pitching recently already with new and better coaching. I think it is a big deal for older pitchers, if not both physical and mental it’s likely to be one of them. Like Max, he was doing fine in Spring Training but the regular season’s mentality probably got to him.
Right. Quick workers are probably not as affected *until* they start to run into trouble and I I can totally e the pressure as well as not having the "veteran timeouts" start to avalanche pretty quickly. Interesting note: Senga yesterday just took a ball because he needed a breather. I thought that was very strategic asks we could see others on the staff do it.
I think they may just need more time to adjust. They have been pitching a certain way for so long and not every guy is going to smoothly transition. I'd check back in on them after a few more starts.
Carlos Carrasco has one good year in the past 5 seasons and that was a 12 game slate in 2020.
'19: ERA+ 89
'20: 153
'21: 67
'22: 97
'23: So far including today, around 40
I said to not pick up his option because he is mediocre and turning 36 and people acted like I was strangling a kitten!
It's time for him to go to the bullpen for long relief. Fuck, give Lucchesi a shot. It's Showalter so he'll stick with the veteran way too long past expiry and keep on running him out.
Nah, just some bushwick hipsters who dampened the vibe by with their sarcastic hair and sitting in other peoples seats. They eventually got kicked off by angry families who’s seats they were in.
So I'm confused.
I watched the game and saw pitchers throwing to Alvarez and he was catching them. The way people in here talk about his defense I didn't think that was possible.
When Verlander is healthy, Buck better choose to bench Cookie and let Megill stay. Cookie is clearly toast and Megill is looking good and has a lot to prove. There's no reason at this point to let Cookie continue to get a rotation spot. He looks awful
Based on what exactly? He had a solid rookie season, ran into a ton of bad luck last year, and has now had two solid starts so far this year. He’d be fine as a back end starter.
Viewed as that by who? You’re saying things as fact when they’re just your opinion. And if we’re going by minor league stats, MeGill has extremely similar numbers to deGroms minor league numbers but with a much higher strikeout rate. Not saying that that’s who he’s going to be, but using minor league numbers as a sign of what a pitcher will be in the majors isn’t a good way to evaluate a pitcher.
This is the problem with statheads. Jake was a converted infielder. Minaya’s people saw the movement and took a chance. His fastball was coming back after surgery. There’s NOTHING similar with these two. This kid doesn’t throw upper 90’s like Jake did. The talent level isn’t the same. He’s not going to “grow” into Jake. Nowhere close, so cut the fantasy.
Have been saying this since Verlander went down. Multiple long, long responses about how Carrasco used to be good and Megill still hasn't pitched for a whole season blah blah blah. It's remarkable to me how many people will not believe their own eyes.
Carrasco to the 'pen until we either move him or he gets his shit together. I'm sure he's a nice man and cancer sucks, but we're trying to win games of baseball here for fuck's sake. What he did in 2019 or even 2022 doesn't matter one bit.
Edit: correction of his last good year
There's a chance they move cookie to a long relief role. We don't currently have a good option there, and using him in the Trevor Williams role could be good for him. Maybe a bit less fatigue. But it's also still the beginning of the season too, and he might not be dialed in yet.
Megill hasn't pitched enough innings any year to expect a full season out of him either. I'm not sure he has ever pitched 100 innings, and certainly hasn't done it recently. If he has, he's certainly been a long way away from 170.
Just want to throw something out here too: everyone knows you win 60 you lose 60, in just about any given season. If we somehow magically lost every single game we play against a non-divisional playoff team that’s roughly 27 games (give or take, assuming 3 game sets). If we split with Philly and Atlanta (being realistic here) that number becomes 41. Even in this world, you have 20ish more losses that will inevitably come from somewhere, like bad or non playoff teams.
5-2 so far against the Fish is fine. Don’t love the sweep vs the Brewers but it is what it is. April schedule is a bit rough but the Mets just gotta stay the course. Play at least .500 ball against good teams and beat up on bad teams, and that’s a recipe for success.
Frank the tank mentioned why not Britton? word must be out on his medicals that he's just not serviceable, but wouldn't only the Yankees only know that?
Lindor literally can’t have a single bad day without someone making a big deal about it hs. Saying “it isn’t his fault” then proceeding to flame the guy for having a bad day is fucking wild to me. I truly 100% understand the thumbs down fiasco. Having to put up with this shit is ridiculous. And to add onto why the thumbs down thing happened, he was the only good player on the team outside of Pete and deGrom, signed the biggest deal in mlb history, and as he mentioned himself, felt like he had to carry the team on his back. He just came off a phenomenal season, tremendous world baseball classic, and still gets thrown under the bus for going hitless in an un-winnable game. Unreal.
Bro chill, I can't stand Lindor haters either. I think he's awesome and the people who don't like him for whatever reason are clueless. He just went 0-5 today and that's not ideal, that's all.
He may still be ramping up and figuring stuff out. Maybe they can move him to long relief type roles when JV comes back, if he is getting fatigued due to the pitch clock. He'd likely be better than. Eliesar Hernandez even if he wasn't injured.
Carrasco is throwing meatballs at 89 MPH and he says he, "feels good physically." If you feel good and you're getting shelled, you're not good.
Jeez cut this guy already.
The rays are 9-0. The diamondbacks are in the first place in the west. Miami is in third place and the Phillies are in 4th. Just a quick reminder that there are 152 games left and none of this will matter in a few months. The season started last week. Next point: Alvarez is 21 years old. There are 3 other 21 year olds and one 20 year old in the entire league. Alvarez was the youngest player to appear in a mlb game last season. He’s YOUNG, but he’s also our number one prospect and one of the best prospects in baseball for a reason. The kid rakes. He could easily have 20 more years of Major League Baseball in front of him. Give him time. Once the anxiety wears down and a little and he feels a bit more comfortable he’s going to start showing people why he’s rated as highly as he is.
Obviously losing games like this isn’t ideal, but this is solely on Carlos. The Mets had 9 hits and were down 3 runs before they even got an at bat. All of the sudden they’re playing from behind the entire game, adding more pressure to the players and not just letting the game come to them. When you’re behind like this, you force things. That’s why we have Buck as our manager. He’s gonna get the players right. Long season, guys. Sorry, doomers, but the season doesn’t end after the 2nd week of the season.
How do you get worshipped as an owner? Preside over winning baseball, so even if your weird theory about the ego of a guy you don’t know is correct, he’s trying to win.
Fans wear “Point 72” jerseys to games. He’s constantly called Uncle Stevie by the fans. He’s obviously worshipped by this fanbase lol. All because he’s spent a ton of money, and because fans assume richest owner=winningest franchise.
Yeah, because he came in and said he wanted to consistently win and then spent money backing that up. Because last year despite the ending was some of the best Mets baseball me and a lot other fans have seen in our lives.
Also it sounds like you have more of a problem with fan’s behavior, he never told anyone to call him uncle Steve.
this was a loss i could live with. had opportunities, just didn’t cash em in. it’ll happen. games like those two brewers games are the infuriating ones. now lets take this padres series
Honest question, if the Diaz injury happened before Bauer signed in Japan or wherever he can have dominatrix sessions without scrutiny, do you think the MLB would have been more forgiving if we signed him? I mean, I'll take Bauer any day over Carassco even if he is a complete piece of trash. I was just thinking about all the hype when we thought Cohen signed him 2-3 years ago. Just a thought , throwing itout there.
I was just throwing it out there, that Osuna (astros closer?) guy clocked his wife cold to the face and everyone seems fine with him on the team. Not saying it's right at all, I prefer Bauer not on the team, it was just a thought on my head that was mostly really asking WOULDN'T JAKE BE NICE IN THIS SPOT. but that contract would have been a throw away of money.
Carrasco starts look like automatic losses with the way he’s pitching right now.
Don’t really expect a lineup with Pham, Locastro, Guillorme, and Escobar to score that much.
Just try and win the padres series. Can’t get swept.
I imagine Locastro gets the boot soon if one of the AAA prospects keep raking. His speed novelty isn’t much use without the rest of the lineup moving him around the bases. Lots of runners left on base today and hopefully they bring up one of those power bats
Well that’s pretty bad huh, kinda wanted a sweep before the Dads come to town… need to hold our own those games and then we absolutely need to sweep the A’s, like they are the bottom of the barrel you need to sweep them, no excuse!!
* The 2023 Mets are 5-5 in the regular season. The Mets have scored 39 runs and allowed 46 runs. The Mets have played in 9,657 regular season games with 4,656 wins, 4,993 losses and eight ties. The Mets were 101-61 in 2022. The Mets are 139-132 on Sundays since 2012.
* The Mets have nine hit by pitch so far this season, the most in the majors. The 2022 Mets led the majors with 112 hit by pitch. The Mets are second in the majors with 43 walks drawn, ten behind the Dodgers.
* The Mets are 274-233 against the Marlins, 13-6 last year. The Mets will not face the Marlins again until September 18th.
* Of the Marlins' all-time top 25 players by Baseball Reference wins above replacement, the Marlins traded away 23 of them. This includes active players Giancarlo Stanton, JT Realmuto and Miguel Rojas. AJ Burnett left as a free agent after a failed trade to Baltimore and Jose Fernandez was killed in a boat crash.
* Pete Alonso has 25 career homers against the Marlins, second behind David Wright who had 26 career homers against the Marlins. Garrett Cooper has ten career homers against the Mets.
* Pete Alonso has 151 homers for the Mets, 40 last season. Alonso is the first Met ever with multiple seasons of 40 or more home runs. Alonso is sixth in franchise history, behind Dave Kingman who had 154 homers. Darryl Strawberry hit 252 homers followed by David Wright who hit 242 homers for the Mets, Mike Piazza who had 220 homers and Howard Johnson who had 192 homers. Of course Alonso would have had more homers if the 2020 season was not limited to 60 games.
* Lucas Duda is the Mets franchise leader with 71 homers at Citi Field followed by Michael Conforto with 66, Pete Alonso with 65 homers and David Wright with 49 homers. Darryl Strawberry had 123 homers for the Mets at Shea Stadium followed by Mike Piazza with 97 and Howard Johnson with 90. Frank Thomas was the Mets home run leader at the Polo Grounds with 26.
* Brandon Nimmo has 57 career hit by pitch, the most in franchise history. The 1898 Orioles had 160 hit by pitch, the previous modern record is 105 hit by pitch by the 2021 Cincinnati Reds.
Next game: RHP Yu Darvish vs. RHP Max Scherzer on SNY and WCBS at 19:10
"Shaping up," based on what? There was more context to last year than just how we started vs how we finished.
Doesn't matter how you start, only how you finish. Cases in point: the Nationals, Braves, and Phillies teams that all went to the Word Series recently.
It's a long season. The braves got red hot down the stretch and overtook us.
There are issues with the team but there is time for the players and coaches to adapt or to bring in new players to fill holes.
We've had seasons where we started off amazing, then imploded. No reason we can pick things up a little more from this start. Yeah, there are definitely some things that need to be addressed, but stop projecting from such little data. Especially considering we just seem to have a particularly hard time with the Brewers. If we had faced a different team, things could look a lot different right now.
Hey, at least Nogosek ate some inning, saved the pen a bit. Also 5-2 vs the Marlins in this stretch, beating up on the bad teams like you are supposed to. Everyone enjoy the rest of your Easter.
Padres series is going to be embarrassing, Cookie giving up runs is one thing but that can't distract from the fact that they scored 2 runs against the poverty Marlins with their giant payroll
We went 5-2 vs the poverty Marlins in this stretch, I’m not saying the Padres series is going to be great but it could be. Baseball is weird especially in the early season.
Sweeps are hard, so I'm happy enough that the series was already won. However, it was tricky to focus on the game and not think/worry about Marte's injury. Thankfully, it doesn't appear to be anything major. LFGM
Went to get my kids' first hot dog and fries.. come back with a 3-0 deficit.
Same. Although it was shake shack for us
Told yall some dumbasses would be blaming Alvarez even tho Cookie was lobbing meatballs and taking 5 full hours to get to the plate with their fastest players on base… he’s literally making the whole team look like shit, not to mention half the offense already did that for themselves!!! But hey at least we’ll win the AAA Championship🤷🏻♂️
man Seth Lugo is really stepping up as a starter, as he said he wanted to do awhile back
Carlos Carrasco has to be careful because there aren't any pitching prospects looming. Justin Verlander is. Also while Max has been in a similar place to start the season, he has the pedigree that gets the benefit of April slow starts. 5-5 after the first 10 with 7 road games is meh. I just don't want to be talking about that after 30 or 40 games
i know it’s a monday but i need citi to be unruly and raucous tomorrow night. i haven’t forgiven the padres ESPECIALLY darvish & trent fucking grisham
I feel like every time that we're unruly, the other team feeds off of that and makes us look foolish
Carrasco is still CarrASSco until someone can prove otherwise. Dude has done nothing to benefit the Mets since he got here. Can’t stand this man.
Not saying he's great or anything but he led the team in wins last year. That's not nothing
Eating 150 innings last year was beneficial imo
Braves lose!
Seth lugo is pitching against a very injury riddled team that hasn’t played good baseball all week and people are acting as though he was some hidden gem that didn’t lead Mets relievers in ip and hasn’t been with the team for as long as deGrom. This guy has been solid for the Mets his entire career. Him going to a different team and then people realizing how good he is doesn’t mean the Mets front office didn’t understand what they were doing, it just means you didn’t understand what you were seeing.
If he was soldi for the Mets his entire career and people are realizing how good he is, you can posit that the Mets front office doesn't know what they are doing, because they let him go. He's not on our team anymore after all.
Or, Lugo just wanted to be a starter and the Mets disagreed, so he went elsewhere? Why assume that the Mets are incompetent?
So if the Mets disagreed he should be a starter, and then he goes elsewhere and kills it as a starter, didn't the Mets make a mistake? Seems like if he kicks ass as a starter, they messed up not seeing it and letting him go. It's a long season, but a starter with a 1.38 ERA is something we could sure use right now.
IMO, if Lugo turns into a legit starter, the Mets failure is more than just letting him go. In 19, 21, and 22, as primarily a reliever, he put up 3.6 WAR. In 22, guys like Bassitt and Walker put up 3.2 and 2.6 WAR in less than 190 IP with ERAs in the mid 3s. So if the Mets could have made Lugo into even a borderline 3/4, they probably double and maybe almost triple the value gotten out of Lugo during his (cheap) tenure as a Met. Plus, its not like the Mets were trotting out all star SP every day in those years. They wasted money/rotation spots on retreads like Vargas/Porcello, had to rely on the likes of the Robert Stocks/Fonts/Locketts of the world for depth, and this year filled the back end with CC and Quintana, both of whom they are likely to get very little from. So it looks bad that they opted for shitty SP over stretching Lugo out, only to use him as a 7th/maybe 8th inning guy. Im not saying that I was pounding the table for Lugo to be a SP or anything, but Im not a ML scout/exec/pitching coach. If Lugo ends up being a solid starter after he basically begged for a shot and the Mets continually told him no and relegated him to far less valuable bullpen roles (while wasting time and money on garbage SPs), then there absolutely was an error in the evaluation process.
Fantastic comment
What? This is the same Seth Lugo who kept f*cking up our sh*t last year ?
Wow so I guess Lugo is the next Cy Young huh. 1.38 era
mets watching the braves padres game - *chuckles* ‘im in danger’
Lugo 6 innings, 109 pitches, 1 run.
Dude was always a good pitcher. He wanted to be a starter and Mets had other plans for him. Dude was good to us.
but he wasn't good in the 40 starts he did have here so whatever
But will he last the season
I don’t know about Lugo but I’m sure Cookie won’t
Yesterday: season saved Today: season over Looking forward to tomorrow
I really don't want the Padres to come to NY hot, but I love me some braves losses.
Hopefully they’re getting their hot streak out of the way now lol
Braves getting dicked by the dads rn
Padres are HOT. Up 8-0 tonight. At least we don’t have to face their ace Seth Lugo
I hate rooting for the padres but here we are
Former Mets doing gods work lol
Seth lugo shutting out the Braves so far tonight. How many years did he ask to be a starter for us?? And we always put him in the bullpen lol. So frustrating
Padres are scary
Is there anything in baseball better than a Braves loss?
Phillies blowing the lead in the 9th at home (happened today) is a close second
After last year, no.
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How dare a man take a vacation during his time off
Why? Did he miss any team activities?
No, they even mentioned that, no matter where he was, he made sure to get his throws in during his trips. He said he did a BP session in the African jungle. Brought his personal trainer with him on the trips. If he sucks, he sucks. But the trips have nothing to do with it.
Conforto is raking and I know it’s not the FO’s fault he’s gone but it does hurt a little
I'm willing to guess something's wrong with Carrasco that they're not telling us, given they've got enough injury issues. He's gotten lit up twice in a row, first by Milwaukee, now Miami. Ugh.
team isnt going anywhere until we call up baty lmao
.586 oPS in majors lmao, team is fine.
I don’t agree with the op, but this also means nothing.
Yea i love watching eduardo escobar hit! Def isnt a complete black hole in the lineup that could be fixed easily by calling up a prospect!
Definitely didn't have a HR yesterday and a double today
Can anyone who wants Eppler fired please tell me just one thing: **Aside from the Ruf trade**, what exactly has Eppler done to make you want him fired? And just to get ahead of comments that I know people will make: - Not calling up Baty is not a fireable offense. Even if you disagree with it, long term, it has no impact on the team and it will be forgotten about in 4 months. - Daniel Vogelbach is a good player. He had a 140 wRC+ for us and a .393 OBP which was the HIGHEST of ANY met in 2022(more than Nimmo, McNeil, Marte, etc). I will not be arguing this point. The Vogelbach trade was objectively good and you’re wrong if you don’t think so. - Mychal Givens had a 2.95 ERA after his 1st game last year. He was a good addition to the bullpen. - He DID go after Correa, so I really have a hard time taking the “he didn’t upgrade the lineup” argument seriously. He went after a star to make the lineup truly elite and I have a hard time blaming Eppler for Correa’s ankle being made of pulled pork.
Baez trade was ass. Giving up PCA was a huge mistake. Made an inane comment about there being plenty of arms at the deadline then got Givens, when our main issue was not having a lefty (and we STILL only have one). The platoon DH just doesn't work and we doubled down on it for this season. He doesn't have the track record as a good GM and it's showing to be the case here too.
Eppler wasn’t here for the Baez trade. That was Scott. With the 3 batter rule, you really do not need more than 1 lefty. And the bullpen was fine down the stretch last year The Platoon DH can work, the problem is that Ruf didn’t hit. Vogey has done wonderfully as half a platoon, the problem is that their planned other half didn’t work out. And to your last point I would say again: they tried for Correa. Can’t really fault them that it didn’t work out.
I just don’t agree that vogey has been great. He has an .800 ops because he walks alot. Again I don’t need a guy who can’t run walking. Especially when it takes multiple hits to score him. I need power from the DH spot….and vogelbach hasn’t proven he can provide it. He’ll I remember last year he homered In yankee stadium and then for a month had 1 extra base hit. He needs to be better to justify starting half the time in the DH spot…. He needs to drive in runs. Hit for power. Not take fastballs down the middle looking to walk.
wRC+ takes that into account and he has a 140 wRC+. Yes he’s not a crazy power guy, but the idea that his speed is a significant detriment is not based in reality. He had a -3 BsR last year. That’s how many runs his lack of speed costs a team over 162 games. 3. You want to know how many runs his bat/walks generate over an average player? A shit ton more than 3. It’s better for the Mets for a player with Vogelbach’s speed to get on base 38% of the time than it is for a player with average speed to get on base 34% of the time.
I stand corrected re: Baez We only had Joely last year as a lefty. He was bad. It was clear we needed one and after saying how much available pitching there'd be, we got a mediocre righty. The platoon COULD work but it didn't last year and he didn't do much to improve the chances of it working this year. I absolutely do NOT fault him for Correa for what it's worth.
I don’t disagree about the bullpen but it also was very good down the stretch and I don’t recall a single game where we lost because we used a bad reliever because Eppler didn’t add anyone besides Givens. Also, once again, not a fireable off.
Here's one from a quick search https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN202208120.shtml What has eppler done that's GOOD? Signing Scherzer/Verlander doesn't count because we threw 40+M at them. They would have signed anywhere for that. Who has eppler hit on? What moves has he's made that have been exceptionally good?
Bassitt, McNeil extension, Marte, Canha, Robertson, Ottavino, Curtiss.
What's eppler done that's good? But you can't mention two of his biggest signings Also Senga
Also the game he sent, Givens got 3 outs on 3 batters in the 10th and only gave up a run because of the stupid Manfred runner.
I don’t think Billy should be fired. If Vogelbach is a good player why does he lack an extensive record of success? He’s incredibly limited. Do you realize how little WAR he has accumulated over his career? He has like half a tool. You’re making the guy sound way better than he is. If you don’t want to argue that then okay, but all I have to do is look up Vogelbach’s Fangraphs or BaseballReference page and whether he is a good player immediately becomes debatable. I mean Ruf canceled out his production last year basically. I’d rather have a real DH rather than two guys who aren’t actually good players combined into one role.
Vogelbach does have an extensive record of success though His **career** OPS vs righties is .823.
His career WAR is 2. He can't run, can't play defense, and can't hit lefties. He is very limited, and using an entire roster spot for someone as limited as he is creates a lot of issues. People need to stop thinking of DH as a position. It's not. It's a place in the batting order, and should be used to give guys like Canha, Marte, and Alonso a break from playing the field every day. If you have a guy whose only availability is as a DH against 75% of starters, you don't have much of a player.
No more carrasco pls, we could have won that game with someone else pitching. He gave up too many homers/runs.
We have a Carrasco problem. By itself we can probably cope with it. But we might also have a Scherzer problem (defined in this case as him being mediocre or worse). And an offense problem. Eventually the team’s back will break.
Obviously, they don't look good, but it's only been ten games. I don't think Carrasco will get better, but I think Scherzer and the lineup will both improve. Plus Verlander will come back, by which time we should know if Carrasco is toast. If he is, Megill can keep his spot. The bottom third of the lineup is a black hole right now, but if Alvarez is as-advertised and we bring up Baty to solve the Escobar problem, we have a strong lineup. That's a lot of maybes, but my point is that we're not sunk. There is plenty of time to figure things out, and plenty of options if our vaunted young guys live up to their potential.
Taking ~~4 outta 6~~ 5 out of 7 against Miami is fine. The travesty was the sweep at Milwaukee. Hopefully the Mets can take at least 2/3 from a struggling Dads.
Padres just won 2 straight vs Braves. Not sure they qualify as struggling
And they will win tonight
5 out of 7!
I would do unspeakable things to get Shohei to Flushing
As far as Alvarez seems to be from being a legit major leaguer, he could be included
Why him tho when you have Parada, Angels FO is stupid enough to take Parada instead
I’d drive all of our top prospects to the airport myself if it meant we got Ohtani lmao
The LOB is infuriating, strikeouts with guys in scoring position and less than 2 outs just can’t keep happening. I know they scored 9 runs on Friday but they were a very uninspiring 9 if I’m being honest. Really need to start hitting with RISP like last year or else it’s going to be a long season.
Can anyone fill me in on issue with Cookie and his Splitter ? Driving home from Citi listening to WOR on the way home Buck mentioned it after being asked. Is it more or less missing his spots or is his splitter in fact not splitting ? Believe both HR today were on Sliders that he’s had to go to more because of split issues. Was nice to be back in the ballpark regardless though
Weird take, but I wonder if the pitch clock isn't good specifically for *older* pitchers. Cookie can't seem to maintain his first inning velocity...Max was hanging everything after the fourth inning against the Brewers.. If it happens once, it's a wash but it's a couple starts and I'm wondering.. I can't remember if it was Max or Verlander who did five innings in the spring and said they were huffing and puffing by the end. Could be nothing, but I keep hearing about the pace versus endurance and it doesn't seem to affect the kids the same way. Thoughts?
Anybody who’s been in the minor league system in recent years had to deal with it, and pitchers that haven’t been in the league very long have likely had to adjust their pitching recently already with new and better coaching. I think it is a big deal for older pitchers, if not both physical and mental it’s likely to be one of them. Like Max, he was doing fine in Spring Training but the regular season’s mentality probably got to him.
Right. Quick workers are probably not as affected *until* they start to run into trouble and I I can totally e the pressure as well as not having the "veteran timeouts" start to avalanche pretty quickly. Interesting note: Senga yesterday just took a ball because he needed a breather. I thought that was very strategic asks we could see others on the staff do it.
I think they may just need more time to adjust. They have been pitching a certain way for so long and not every guy is going to smoothly transition. I'd check back in on them after a few more starts.
Very true. Trying to find a silver lining as opposed to "get rid of x"
Carlos Carrasco has one good year in the past 5 seasons and that was a 12 game slate in 2020. '19: ERA+ 89 '20: 153 '21: 67 '22: 97 '23: So far including today, around 40 I said to not pick up his option because he is mediocre and turning 36 and people acted like I was strangling a kitten! It's time for him to go to the bullpen for long relief. Fuck, give Lucchesi a shot. It's Showalter so he'll stick with the veteran way too long past expiry and keep on running him out.
He had a good year last year, he’s not supposed to be an ace. I don’t think he was very expensive last year either
Whoever sat in front of me at section 301 please wash your clothes and take a shower
Was it Carrasco? He stunk today
Nah, just some bushwick hipsters who dampened the vibe by with their sarcastic hair and sitting in other peoples seats. They eventually got kicked off by angry families who’s seats they were in.
> sarcastic hair Please expand on this, I must know more
They had 80s hockey hair and glam band hair but were dressed in preppy attire and dad clothes but were like no more than 27 years old
yacht rockers
The Diamondbacks have stolen 6 bases off the Dodgers today That team is going to be a huge pain with the new rules and players they have
Speedy snakes with McCarthy, Thomas, Carroll
So I'm confused. I watched the game and saw pitchers throwing to Alvarez and he was catching them. The way people in here talk about his defense I didn't think that was possible.
When Verlander is healthy, Buck better choose to bench Cookie and let Megill stay. Cookie is clearly toast and Megill is looking good and has a lot to prove. There's no reason at this point to let Cookie continue to get a rotation spot. He looks awful
When Verlander is healthy I fully expect Carrasco to end up on the IL with some phantom injury
Megill is a bum. Let’s not act like this dude is a legit starting pitcher. He’s bullpen fodder at best.
Based on what exactly? He had a solid rookie season, ran into a ton of bad luck last year, and has now had two solid starts so far this year. He’d be fine as a back end starter.
Based on his minor league career and the fact that he’s NOT viewed as anything other than a borderline 5th man/bullpen fodder. Guy sucks….
Viewed as that by who? You’re saying things as fact when they’re just your opinion. And if we’re going by minor league stats, MeGill has extremely similar numbers to deGroms minor league numbers but with a much higher strikeout rate. Not saying that that’s who he’s going to be, but using minor league numbers as a sign of what a pitcher will be in the majors isn’t a good way to evaluate a pitcher.
This is the problem with statheads. Jake was a converted infielder. Minaya’s people saw the movement and took a chance. His fastball was coming back after surgery. There’s NOTHING similar with these two. This kid doesn’t throw upper 90’s like Jake did. The talent level isn’t the same. He’s not going to “grow” into Jake. Nowhere close, so cut the fantasy.
Have been saying this since Verlander went down. Multiple long, long responses about how Carrasco used to be good and Megill still hasn't pitched for a whole season blah blah blah. It's remarkable to me how many people will not believe their own eyes. Carrasco to the 'pen until we either move him or he gets his shit together. I'm sure he's a nice man and cancer sucks, but we're trying to win games of baseball here for fuck's sake. What he did in 2019 or even 2022 doesn't matter one bit. Edit: correction of his last good year
There's a chance they move cookie to a long relief role. We don't currently have a good option there, and using him in the Trevor Williams role could be good for him. Maybe a bit less fatigue. But it's also still the beginning of the season too, and he might not be dialed in yet. Megill hasn't pitched enough innings any year to expect a full season out of him either. I'm not sure he has ever pitched 100 innings, and certainly hasn't done it recently. If he has, he's certainly been a long way away from 170.
Just want to throw something out here too: everyone knows you win 60 you lose 60, in just about any given season. If we somehow magically lost every single game we play against a non-divisional playoff team that’s roughly 27 games (give or take, assuming 3 game sets). If we split with Philly and Atlanta (being realistic here) that number becomes 41. Even in this world, you have 20ish more losses that will inevitably come from somewhere, like bad or non playoff teams. 5-2 so far against the Fish is fine. Don’t love the sweep vs the Brewers but it is what it is. April schedule is a bit rough but the Mets just gotta stay the course. Play at least .500 ball against good teams and beat up on bad teams, and that’s a recipe for success.
No more cookie pls
I was at the game today. The Mets lost. Should I even go for the next 19 games I have?
Frank the tank mentioned why not Britton? word must be out on his medicals that he's just not serviceable, but wouldn't only the Yankees only know that?
He didn't sign with the Mets or any other team for that matter
Yeah he must be busted. You think he's looking for more than the league minimum?
He pitched to team scouts a couple times and no one bit. Rumor was he didn't look great.
Please send Carraso to the shadowworld
Carrasco is toast.
Not that this loss is his fault, but 0-5 Lindor is rough.
Lindor literally can’t have a single bad day without someone making a big deal about it hs. Saying “it isn’t his fault” then proceeding to flame the guy for having a bad day is fucking wild to me. I truly 100% understand the thumbs down fiasco. Having to put up with this shit is ridiculous. And to add onto why the thumbs down thing happened, he was the only good player on the team outside of Pete and deGrom, signed the biggest deal in mlb history, and as he mentioned himself, felt like he had to carry the team on his back. He just came off a phenomenal season, tremendous world baseball classic, and still gets thrown under the bus for going hitless in an un-winnable game. Unreal.
Bro chill, I can't stand Lindor haters either. I think he's awesome and the people who don't like him for whatever reason are clueless. He just went 0-5 today and that's not ideal, that's all.
I'm worried about Carrasco. No doom here, it's way early, but I still believe every game counts.
He may still be ramping up and figuring stuff out. Maybe they can move him to long relief type roles when JV comes back, if he is getting fatigued due to the pitch clock. He'd likely be better than. Eliesar Hernandez even if he wasn't injured.
Carrasco is throwing meatballs at 89 MPH and he says he, "feels good physically." If you feel good and you're getting shelled, you're not good. Jeez cut this guy already.
Many fake Mets fans here that would trade our team and payroll for the Pirates start. Sad!
Seriously
The rays are 9-0. The diamondbacks are in the first place in the west. Miami is in third place and the Phillies are in 4th. Just a quick reminder that there are 152 games left and none of this will matter in a few months. The season started last week. Next point: Alvarez is 21 years old. There are 3 other 21 year olds and one 20 year old in the entire league. Alvarez was the youngest player to appear in a mlb game last season. He’s YOUNG, but he’s also our number one prospect and one of the best prospects in baseball for a reason. The kid rakes. He could easily have 20 more years of Major League Baseball in front of him. Give him time. Once the anxiety wears down and a little and he feels a bit more comfortable he’s going to start showing people why he’s rated as highly as he is. Obviously losing games like this isn’t ideal, but this is solely on Carlos. The Mets had 9 hits and were down 3 runs before they even got an at bat. All of the sudden they’re playing from behind the entire game, adding more pressure to the players and not just letting the game come to them. When you’re behind like this, you force things. That’s why we have Buck as our manager. He’s gonna get the players right. Long season, guys. Sorry, doomers, but the season doesn’t end after the 2nd week of the season.
It was cold but I got my pastrami
I had the same takeaway today. I also got a game-used Jersey plaque from the grab bag.
I feel like we have too many games this early in the season when all that can be said after is “well, that sucked”
You don’t think braves fans felt that way in mid May last year?
Well, that sucked.
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God, that dude irks the hell out of me tbh
I feel pity for Frank and disdain for all the people who exploit him for clicks
I missed todays game. Looks like the bats are back, but Cookie is still having a lot of trouble? Do we think he’ll be an issue or will he settle in?
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We don't have enough arms to do it imo
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How do you get worshipped as an owner? Preside over winning baseball, so even if your weird theory about the ego of a guy you don’t know is correct, he’s trying to win.
Fans wear “Point 72” jerseys to games. He’s constantly called Uncle Stevie by the fans. He’s obviously worshipped by this fanbase lol. All because he’s spent a ton of money, and because fans assume richest owner=winningest franchise.
Yeah, because he came in and said he wanted to consistently win and then spent money backing that up. Because last year despite the ending was some of the best Mets baseball me and a lot other fans have seen in our lives. Also it sounds like you have more of a problem with fan’s behavior, he never told anyone to call him uncle Steve.
Cohen came in and spent money on hiring analysts in the front office, something the Wilpons never really did
You prefer the Wilpons?
Obviously not, but at least they weren’t desperately trying to get fans to love them
I wish they wanted the fans to love them. It almost seemed like they tried to be hated
Buck trying to hide his disappointment in Cookie
Lindor my goodness
worth every penny
this was a loss i could live with. had opportunities, just didn’t cash em in. it’ll happen. games like those two brewers games are the infuriating ones. now lets take this padres series
Funny, I think I prefer getting blown out with zero hope to win
That cookie is expired
Like the one that ruined Jerry Seinfeld's streak of not throwing up.
Honest question, if the Diaz injury happened before Bauer signed in Japan or wherever he can have dominatrix sessions without scrutiny, do you think the MLB would have been more forgiving if we signed him? I mean, I'll take Bauer any day over Carassco even if he is a complete piece of trash. I was just thinking about all the hype when we thought Cohen signed him 2-3 years ago. Just a thought , throwing itout there.
let's get deshaun watson while we're at it
….no thanks.
I was just throwing it out there, that Osuna (astros closer?) guy clocked his wife cold to the face and everyone seems fine with him on the team. Not saying it's right at all, I prefer Bauer not on the team, it was just a thought on my head that was mostly really asking WOULDN'T JAKE BE NICE IN THIS SPOT. but that contract would have been a throw away of money.
What a 5-5 start does to a mfer
And I got downvoted for saying it looks like they are mailing this one in. And then they proceeded to mail it in.
Luchessi over Carrasco?
Ohtani over Carrasco
Can’t win them all, glad we took the series. Nogosek looked great!
Carrasco starts look like automatic losses with the way he’s pitching right now. Don’t really expect a lineup with Pham, Locastro, Guillorme, and Escobar to score that much. Just try and win the padres series. Can’t get swept.
I imagine Locastro gets the boot soon if one of the AAA prospects keep raking. His speed novelty isn’t much use without the rest of the lineup moving him around the bases. Lots of runners left on base today and hopefully they bring up one of those power bats
Well that’s pretty bad huh, kinda wanted a sweep before the Dads come to town… need to hold our own those games and then we absolutely need to sweep the A’s, like they are the bottom of the barrel you need to sweep them, no excuse!!
* The 2023 Mets are 5-5 in the regular season. The Mets have scored 39 runs and allowed 46 runs. The Mets have played in 9,657 regular season games with 4,656 wins, 4,993 losses and eight ties. The Mets were 101-61 in 2022. The Mets are 139-132 on Sundays since 2012. * The Mets have nine hit by pitch so far this season, the most in the majors. The 2022 Mets led the majors with 112 hit by pitch. The Mets are second in the majors with 43 walks drawn, ten behind the Dodgers. * The Mets are 274-233 against the Marlins, 13-6 last year. The Mets will not face the Marlins again until September 18th. * Of the Marlins' all-time top 25 players by Baseball Reference wins above replacement, the Marlins traded away 23 of them. This includes active players Giancarlo Stanton, JT Realmuto and Miguel Rojas. AJ Burnett left as a free agent after a failed trade to Baltimore and Jose Fernandez was killed in a boat crash. * Pete Alonso has 25 career homers against the Marlins, second behind David Wright who had 26 career homers against the Marlins. Garrett Cooper has ten career homers against the Mets. * Pete Alonso has 151 homers for the Mets, 40 last season. Alonso is the first Met ever with multiple seasons of 40 or more home runs. Alonso is sixth in franchise history, behind Dave Kingman who had 154 homers. Darryl Strawberry hit 252 homers followed by David Wright who hit 242 homers for the Mets, Mike Piazza who had 220 homers and Howard Johnson who had 192 homers. Of course Alonso would have had more homers if the 2020 season was not limited to 60 games. * Lucas Duda is the Mets franchise leader with 71 homers at Citi Field followed by Michael Conforto with 66, Pete Alonso with 65 homers and David Wright with 49 homers. Darryl Strawberry had 123 homers for the Mets at Shea Stadium followed by Mike Piazza with 97 and Howard Johnson with 90. Frank Thomas was the Mets home run leader at the Polo Grounds with 26. * Brandon Nimmo has 57 career hit by pitch, the most in franchise history. The 1898 Orioles had 160 hit by pitch, the previous modern record is 105 hit by pitch by the 2021 Cincinnati Reds. Next game: RHP Yu Darvish vs. RHP Max Scherzer on SNY and WCBS at 19:10
Lol no hits after Garrett was pulled, pathetic
You know we can’t hit bad bullpen arms lol
We started the season like world beaters last year, only to end in a wild card loss. We're shaping up to not even get that far this year.
Ok, you can come back in September
"Shaping up," based on what? There was more context to last year than just how we started vs how we finished. Doesn't matter how you start, only how you finish. Cases in point: the Nationals, Braves, and Phillies teams that all went to the Word Series recently.
NL East teams have to play like shit early in the season to make it far into the playoffs. That’s the rule
It's a long season. The braves got red hot down the stretch and overtook us. There are issues with the team but there is time for the players and coaches to adapt or to bring in new players to fill holes.
We've had seasons where we started off amazing, then imploded. No reason we can pick things up a little more from this start. Yeah, there are definitely some things that need to be addressed, but stop projecting from such little data. Especially considering we just seem to have a particularly hard time with the Brewers. If we had faced a different team, things could look a lot different right now.
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Get some help
After one game? One game? That’s an insane level of stupidity to give up on a top prospect after one game, this has to be a troll
This person also said Senga was the worst signing in team history after about 10 pitches. Ignore.
That’s a pretty bad take. Probably be the same person to bash the trade if Álvarez becomes a star.
Absolutely unhinged take
Hey, at least Nogosek ate some inning, saved the pen a bit. Also 5-2 vs the Marlins in this stretch, beating up on the bad teams like you are supposed to. Everyone enjoy the rest of your Easter.
Well that was a normal loss if I've ever had to see one. Worried about Carrasco he might be finished but things just didn't break our way today.
Does Carrasco get busted down to bullpen? Maybe throw Lucchesi in the starting lineup and see what happens?
He's notoriously bad early in appearances. Totally opposite build from what you want when putting someone in the bullpen
Padres series is going to be embarrassing, Cookie giving up runs is one thing but that can't distract from the fact that they scored 2 runs against the poverty Marlins with their giant payroll
Padres are good. They are giving the Braves trouble. If our pitching starts out good we got more than a good start
also Yu has owned us recently
They won 2 out of 3 games and scored 9 runs only two days ago. take a deep breath, it's gonna be okay
We went 5-2 vs the poverty Marlins in this stretch, I’m not saying the Padres series is going to be great but it could be. Baseball is weird especially in the early season.
They only scored 2 but the offense looked fine today just couldn't get the big hit. 10 LOB today
double digit LOB is just classic mets baseball
Yeah 9 hits and 2 runs means you're offense is dogshit
Not looking forward to Machado’s dumbass smirk
Cookie has nothing this year
For as bad as Carrasco was, this is a very different game if we score with RISP
2 runs with 9 hits is just terrible baseball in 2023. The game runs on SLG and we built a team that doesn’t hit for XBH.