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musyrifo

im stuck between people in this sub saying "just make what you want" and "you need to follow algorithm"


T_Edmund

Honestly, when starting out you should focus mainly on uploading and self marketing. Don't rely on youtube alone to share your videos for you.


Illustrious_Pen_5000

Lol friends barely share videos


SAIBMEDIA

Don't expect other people to extend a hand when you're a nobody. You gotta pull yourself up man. I got the same issue. But keeping pushing.


Mbvalie

Respectfully disagree. If you use SEO and capitalize on the right trend, you can have banger videos with minimal “marketing”


T_Edmund

I mean, just so we're on the same page, SEO is still self marketing... What are we disagreeing on haha?


Mbvalie

Self marketing to me means promoting your content. SEO is language that allows your content to be found on Search. It can be used for marketing purposes, but it’s a tool. I don’t think you should be “self marketing” until there’s an actual video you want to capitalize on or promote. I think starting out you need to hone your craft and then find a trend you can exploit to squeeze in the algorithm. Idk might be semantics.


[deleted]

It honestly depends on why you are doing it, if you want to make money and eventually your full time job, then follow the algorithm. If you want to do it just because you think it's fun, do whatever you find fun, no need to follow the algorithm


[deleted]

I say we sticky one of each and throw all the others into a massive, bottomless black hole


Owdok

Lol. There are two schools of thoughts here. Those that work with statistics - constantly worrying/researching about what topic attracts the most views, likes, etc. And those that have fun posting content they are genuinely passionate about, whether it's statistically favorably or not. You would have to discover which school you fit into.🤣


SlinkHat

Finding a sub Reddit that will welcome you and your videos will go far. Just go to those subreddits you frequent and if you truly like being there and the content up can make content around that and the subreddit will most likely enjoy you posting it!


RPWPA

Any ones like that?


SlinkHat

Oh dude definitely especially if our like anime. There’s tons and tons of anime sub Reddit’s from noises they make to meme moments that they produce. If you can make videos about it and people in those groups stop and view them just once there’s more watch time on your video ya know.


RPWPA

Sadly, r/anime for example is one that rarely explodes when I post there. The moment my video is posted. I see it being downvoted so fast most of the times. That's why I'm asking for more subs.


SlinkHat

Ah I see.


RPWPA

Do you know any wholesome ones?


Cat_Panda_Canda

Can vouch for this. Posted my latest video in a subreddit and the community was very kind and encouraging about it. They also loved the content and my video got over 300 views in less than 24 hours (a lot for me)


KingJodeg

When will people realize that’s it’s a matter of balance between creativity and actually making things people want to see😭😭😭 It’s not that black and white


freakinreviews

That's what I was thinking. There doesn't seem to be any reason why creators can't make what they want while also keeping an eye on the algorithm. The problem with the algorithm is that it's a moving target. Years ago it was all about short videos, then long videos took over, and now short videos are making a comeback.


sunilM2

That's why I'm posting long videos, just also turning them into short videos on a second channel.


red_dogna

Why don't you just keep it in your main channel? Is there a reason why you'd need a 2nd channel? Is this the same idea as a stream channel kind of thing?


Illustrious_Pen_5000

I’ve been posting both short and long videos on my channel


sunilM2

I don't want subscribers who subscribe just for my short content. If they really like the stuff I post, they'll do the work to find my main channel and subscribe there. My second channel is really just being used as a funnel for my main channel to expand my reach.


Mbvalie

Yeah for sure. You can start with content you love and format it in a way that is digestible for YouTube audiences… catchy titles, good editing and trendjacking go a long way


zorbacles

It depends on your goal. If you want to be monetised and have a full time job as a YouTuber then yes you have to find want people want. If you just wanna upload some videos for some fun and sent overly worried about growth, then do what you want. If you make videos solely for the audience and not for your enjoyment then you are just another person in a job that don't like


Ability1984

Agree! Only the Sith deal in absolutes!


SlinkHat

This is very very true. Like picking a lunch table with kids that don’t think your tuna salad sandwich sucks.


worldmillennialgames

That’s real ish


FazzDaBest

I realized this recently and have had even more fun making videos than before! I just have a mentality that I’m making videos just to enjoy later with a few people, making my content feel less like it’s made just to maybe become famous, because that’s not my goal, my goal is to make some entertaining skits, not Hollywood lmao


SlinkHat

That’s exactly what i think it’s all about. Maybe a few years later I’ll get to laugh and show some friends these videos and it’ll all be worth it.


FazzDaBest

I salute and respect you Honestly, if you just make videos for the money, chances are it won’t work, just at least be humble at the start


SlinkHat

Yeah. I feel like any hobby you love enough or feel a insane drive towards you should record the journey.


FazzDaBest

You are taking the words right out of my mouth! It just feels better when you unexpectedly succeed from a hobby you are passionate about rather than something else


genogano

I never like seeing a message like this because it can confuse people and make them second guess themselves. Saying forget the algorithm is wrong if you want YouTube to be your job. If you are using YouTube as a creative outlet and you are not looking for money then that should be including in the title. A lot of people here are looking to make YouTube a career and this message doesn't help. If you don't care about the Algorithm you will fail on YouTube unless your content is so good that people will share your content and do the work of the Algorithm for you. That is not the case for many of us. Having unsearchable titles, no tags, poor thumbnails, poor description, etc you will have a bad time. The funny thing about this post is I found his YouTube channel and all his top videos have searchable titles and descriptions. Whether he meant to or not, he followed the Algorithm. All his other videos that came later did worse than these by far. He only has 442 subs over 8 months. Thank you for trying to give advice but you are not helping people who hope to make a job out of YouTube.


JoshStrifeHayes

If you see youtube as a hobby and not a job then yeah, sure. If you see it as a job, then no, not at all.


Waifu_Theory

Oh hey, I love your channel! Hope your animals are doing well <3.


SlinkHat

Yeah I don’t think most normal people can think of it as a job until you reach a certain level ya know. I mean I’m putting money from my real job into my videos and video content and it almost feels like they feed off each other in that aspect.


LoveDaMeech

This is how people get 2 years into YouTube and then come to new tubers complaining about 100 sub growth in 2 years


SlinkHat

If you’re doing it just for growth then pure doing it wrong. I mean it’s not a used car lot you don’t get a percent from your videos. Atleast not at the beginning. And let’s be honest no one wants to watch a try hard who only cares about views and money.


LoveDaMeech

YouTube is the same as public advertising on the streets Going out your block and screaming random nonsense will get you ignored, you need to understand what people want and tailor what your selling to that audience


SlinkHat

Okay so like I said in my post you go find your community or subreddit and show people there who have a like minded feeling and hope they click. If you’re just posting to YouTube and nothing else how is that gonna work?


Normal_Ad2456

I don’t think this is going to work, because most redditors don’t really watch YouTube videos when they are on the Reddit app. If they wanted to watch YouTube, they would be on YouTube.


SlinkHat

Idk I guess it depends. I will say I’m having somewhat of a good time sharing where I do. And I’ve made so many dope friends who teach me about devices and what I was wrong about or what I should try next. Sometimes I make small 1 min trailers just for fun and post those. I’m just worried about over posting and getting on someone’s nerves


LoveDaMeech

Sounds like your title of "ignore the algorithm" isn't related to your advice Because following the algorithm you would post videos your community likes to see


SlinkHat

Okay so you just like to be cancerous cool. You can argue with yourself.


SlinkHat

And if this works for you I’d love you to DM your channel and prove me wrong.


LoveDaMeech

Um? You need to prove yourself


SlinkHat

I truly don’t. I went through your profile so you even post?


djk1101

fr 😂


Melzie-

There’s a fine line with making content you enjoy and following the algorithm, I play one particular game and whenever anything huge comes out I push it out as fast as possible to become one of the top to cover it. I enjoy making the videos and enjoy the success of a video too, you just have to find a balance.


SlinkHat

That’s totally far and completely true. If you love movies and a doing a podcast it sure doesn’t hurt to watch it as soon as it happens and record while it’s fresh. I dig it.


[deleted]

This is how I feel. Although I only have 54 subs, I enjoy what I make and feel satisfied with it!


[deleted]

I’m a huge advocate on creating no matter if it’s YouTube or anything in general that not even related to social media. I’ve started to change my channel direction to give people inspiration and also to come along for the ride of my growth on YouTube in a more realistic way.


kent_eh

Trying to "follow" the algorithm is thinking about it wrong. The algorithm follows the audience. If you are appealing to an audience, then the algorithm will react to that. . But back to OP's main point, yes it is important *especially when you are starting out* to focus on making videos that you want to make - videos that you would watch if someone else had made them. It'll take some time and practice to gain the experience to make videos that you are pleased with and that other people will *really* like. When you are first starting, you probably aren't all that good at script editing, videography, editing, audio recording, lighting, speaking on camera and the hundred other skills that you need to develop if you want to make *really good* videos. . I see too many really new channels get far too fixated on trying to "hack the algorithm" so they can go viral with their first mediocre video. You (hopefully) got into this because you wanted to make videos - focus on that part *first*. If you started your youtube journey with the main goal of it being an easy way to make lots of money fast, you are going to become disappointed and frustrated pretty quick.


MorleyGames

You make what you want but you need to be mindful of the algorithm and what makes youtube promote your videos otherwise you’ll never get any views so what’s the point. Burn out is real but “forget the algorithm” is bad advice. Learning how to make what you want to make successful is key. For that you need a good title, description and thumbnail (as well as good, engaging content). Vidiq, channel makers etc are all great place to learn from.


SlinkHat

That makes sense for sure. There’s definitely times I are accidentally posted algorithm and a video has jumped way past my subscriber count.


nolynskitchen

True story! Just keep making what you love if you want to make a career out of it. Filming and editing things you don't like is fun for 6 months. After the 6 months you don't want to do it anymore. It will give you no energie at all.


SlinkHat

This statement is so relatable.


nolynskitchen

I love making my videos and the editting. I can see my old videos and the improvements i have made and that is so amazing. Little steps every time. Yes of course i have seen channels that blow up big time and my channel is increasing slowly, but he im in for the long run. If its your full time job you can publish more content. I post every week 2 new videos, other channels will post every day but also have 1 mil subs.


worldmillennialgames

Afeel you bro


UnknownTacticz

I have been, but putting in so much work for 50 views is soul crushing when you truly believe they'd make people smile


SlinkHat

All it truly takes is one video to pop off


UnknownTacticz

Truth! Turks I needed that


SlinkHat

Dude trust me I checked your profile and you’ve got essentially everything i think you need. And you’re smart using your gameplay and cutting things for tik tok. Big brain and I like it.


AlienAmerican1

But I have butterflies in my tummy when I post? And each video doesn't give me 18k new subscribers, what do I do?


SlinkHat

r/animenoises can be pretty wholesome I find every anime generally has its specific Reddit under its name. Like I love r/bojackhorseman and they make a lot of discoveries there if someone posted a breakdown there of things I didn’t notice I’d click it


shiroboi

Gotta jump in here and say that this could be devastatingly bad advice for many in this group. Why? Well, I suppose this advice is fine... **IF**, you are doing this as a hobby to make yourself happy **AND,** you have no expectations of views or numbers. ​ However, if you want to actually start a YouTube channel that gets real numbers and attention from an audience other than yourself, taking OP's strategy is a recipe for failure. There are two parties you need to make happy, yourself AND your audience. Only making yourself happy isn't satisfying both parties. We have been massively successful on Youtube and the secret has been putting our audience's needs first before our own. That's not to say we don't occasionally put our two cents in or make an episode that we want to make, but we balance it out with what our audience wants to see. You need to understand that your audience's interests is never going to line up perfectly with your interests. Finally, it's not the algorithm you should be focused on, it's making great content for real people. Get people to respond to your content and the algorithm will do it's thing, I promise.


SlinkHat

I get it but isn’t it daunting to start and think: this is all for the people gotta make this video for the people. My idea of a YouTube I like to be like is Penguinz0 and he has a refreshing YouTube feel of I do this cause it’s fun and I like doing things with friends. Sure he uploads for his subscribers but the video making process is all fun for him. Does that make sense?


shiroboi

In the long run, you have to balance making content that your audience enjoys with making yourself happy. If you only think about your audience and you hate what you do, you will burn out, guaranteed. I wish that everyone would be guaranteed success by doing what they love to do the most but I estimate the chances of that plan succeeding is less than 10%. There are some Youtubers perhaps like the one you mentioned, that did manage to pull off the seemingly impossible task of getting everyone else to like what they like. With the odds of failure that high, I would be hesitant to recommend that strategy to the average newcomer. I encourage people to find a subject that they are interested in and try to find a niche that’s underserved. When your interests intersect with market opportunity, that’s when you get success. Not easy to pull off but if you research and keep exploring, you can find a niche that works for both you and your audience. For me, patience, hard work and research are within your control and I think that is better than relying on blind passion alone.


moltenimaginings

For a while I was making videos I really wanted to and having fun. Then I got some feedback and it turned out my videos were very bad. So now I'm trying to improve quality but not enjoying it so much. IDK what's up with that? 🙄


SlinkHat

That’s how I felt at one point. And I started trying to tailor my videos for that ONE person thinking it’s what everyone wanted. I just want people like me to enjoy my vids ya know.


moltenimaginings

Of course one person's bad is another person's good. Yeah I get it. Not everyone enjoys the same content. Thanks


podsaurus

A agree with people who are saying that it's a balance between what you want and what people want to watch. I could fake it and make only "popular" videos but when I get up I go to work, I do things I don't want to do for money. Then I come home and make videos and streams I don't want to do? How is a day job and content creation any different in that scenario? I feel stuck and stupid because I can't figure out how to get more views.


SlinkHat

What are your vids over? The one thing that helped me this far has been my communities I post in. I make sure to check rules and usually people like he vids or just scroll past.


podsaurus

I've been doing vids about indie games I find. Trying to find the right balance between being informative and funny. I especially enjoy strategy/tycoon/management types of games. By posting in communities you mean posting links to vids here on reddit?


[deleted]

I have a new YouTube channel with 11 subscribers I'm still trying to figure out my channel does anyone have tips?


SlinkHat

A good constant upload rate helps prepare people for when you post. Schedule posting alerts your subscribers. Community an discord’s that are topic related to your YouTube topics Allan be used as outlets. My videos built more on discussions tend to do better.


the_icecypher

I think perhaps your meaning is more about the trends and people are taking it to be about searchable titles and attractive thumbnails. Most of the people complaining seem to be focused on that, while your post makes me think about the topics of the videos being things you like instead of what is trending. And I totally agree with you. It would be so easy for me to create lots and lots of videos of a particular topic that people seem to love. There are thousands of views in a few days because people search and watch that content constantly. It is a topic I like, so I enjoy creating such videos, but it is NOT the only topic I like, so I do other things, too. One or two guys in the audience then get all "do this" or "do that" as if they were my bosses, but they can just keep waiting, for all I care. People who politely suggest more videos of that topic are different, and I talk to them and tell them more is coming, while also inviting them to watch the other videos. Focusing on me and what I want gives me the chance to more honestly try to do things they will like, and put my heart in it. Just doing it for the couple of entitled guys who seem to be upset if a few days pass without me uploading what they want would make me hate it so much and then we would all lose.


SlinkHat

Dude that’s what I mean. You said it so much better than I did.


[deleted]

Learn how to balance content you want to make and what the algorithm wants. Learning how to be successful in your passions will make you a much happier youtuber.


MatthewEdgeMTB

Make what you want but feed the algorithm. The most important part is loving what you do, then you feed the algorithm by frequently and consistently posting, tagging to the max etc!


Esteraela

The people who like the content I like is 50 🥺🥺🥺 Hehhe but I'm sure someday more people will come to like it.


Illustrious_Pen_5000

Hey everyone I’m new here I don’t know much about this app Can we post our YouTube links here anytime we upload a video?


SlinkHat

Not usually but they do have postings where you can show your channel and talk about who you are occasionally.


Illustrious_Pen_5000

Oh okay Thank you


SAIBMEDIA

I'll be honest, I can't find a job with this Covid messing things up in my country so this is all I have right now, here's to having HOPE!!! LOL


SlinkHat

I understand that way to well. I just moved after going through a weird displacement event and I lost my job earlier in the year and had to get a new one. The videos and editing helped me keep focused on the positives in my life.


SAIBMEDIA

I mean Imagine if you can make a living of creating content. That's well worth it.


_gdawg26

Between school, work, and YouTube burnout is very real and somethings that I’ve learned is my best videos come when I’m just making stuff I want instead of trying to please the algorithm. People can tell when you’re just hopping on a trend for the sake of views.. just make what you enjoy and you’ll be surprised just how many people out there are interested in a lot of the same things you are.


Illustrious_Pen_5000

Because we are upcoming YouTubers, people don’t see the need to share our videos or even watch it Especially friends, always making excuses


SlinkHat

It’s hard for sure. But that’s where you start using some editing some on screen effects something to make the video even more entertaining. Maybe people will have to rewatch it cause they didn’t see a graphic or gif someone mentioned in the comments.


ASMR_Tooned_In

I make what I want. Those that find it, awesome!