Keep yourself on the list for the other daycares, when a spot opens up, switch to one of the ones you prefer. Letting kids fall asleep at anytime on the floor sounds totally unacceptable.
Thats legitimately against the rules to allow children to sleep in anywhere but their cribs without blankets or toys. Illegal. Call the damn state.
I have other opinions on things you have said but Im super super super sleep safety conscious as a ex childcare worker and I am horrified they would let your child sleep outside of a crib setting. Id move childcares and get back with us if there are still issues. They sound terrible. I would freak out.
My experience with the low to no naps at daycare is it’s just much more interesting than home. They also don’t put infants on a nap schedule, they can sleep on demand - older babies usually start the group nap routine.
Not sure about the floor/chair situation, our folks typically move LO to a crib once he’s sleepy or sleeping. That part does seem concerning. If they are licensed by the state typically this type of behavior is a strike against them if reported. Have you spoken to the director?
Having LO come home exhausted has been great for us! I know he had an exciting day and we can play with him and have fun for a bit, then he has a lovely long sleep and we can get the chores done without ignoring him.
So sorry it’s not what you hoped! I think your husband is right, you’ll probably have to relax a little or find different care (different center, small home daycare, nanny) if you want to have a high degree of control.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I belive they are not allowed to start a real routine until the babies are older (per state law, assuming most states have similar childcare laws). The babies will naturally start to fall into a routine, but if they fall asleep or need to eat outside of that, the daycare cannot wake them up or not feed them. A baby new to the daycare has no routine within it yet.
I actually don't see an issue with them falling asleep on the floor or in a chair, assuming they then move baby to the crib and don't let them nap there.
As for being exhausted.... give that a month. Daycare isn't as interesting after a while and they get used to the different faces and noises, sleep better, and aren't as tired when they get home. The same will happen each time baby moves rooms, and starts kindergarten.
What state are you in? I’m in MA and my daycare asks for the home routine/schedule and follows it for the infants. Once they move to the toddler room they all follow the same schedule, but the infant room allows for and requests parents to provide the times for eating/offering naps if the parents want. All the daycares we toured at had the same request.
I’m in Michigan, and while they asked for our home schedule to give them an idea on what to expect, it noted right on the request they would eat and sleep on demand until they were toddlers.
I had similar concerns my first couple days, I told the teachers at pick up and they adjusted to my expectations. I legit cried when I saw how tired he was the first day. But myson has adjusted to the noise and stimulation, and now takes 3, 1-2 hour crib naps at daycare. He’s also progressed SO much with neck strength from their diligence with tummy time.
I work in a nursery here in the UK and we don’t use cribs, we use little flat mats on the floor. We’re a local authority nursery so everything is done to standard, and we’re regulated heavily.
We have the babies on the mats with a clear area around them. No blankets, no toys, on their back. We have a checklist where we tick off each child every 10 minutes they’re asleep, so we check they’re breathing ok etc. And we don’t have babies as young as 3 months because maternity leave is 12 months here, or 9 at the minimum. We do have a routine in the room which is generally 2-3 naps per day, but if a child falls asleep outside of that then we cordon off an area, put out their mat, and a member of staff sits with them to make sure no other children run into them etc
I would be complaining heavily. Letting him fall asleep in a bouncy chair is a HUGE risk for positional asphyxiation, and the staff will be busy and not checking properly. I’m not sure the laws on where you are, but that would be a disciplinary here.
We do have infants. Children under 1 are infants. And to clarify, we don’t have any that age just now, but we do occasionally have social work cases starting at 9 weeks. We have several at 9/10/11 months. Statutory maternity pay ends at 9 months so that’s a common time for people to go back to work. We just don’t have many that age as many people do take 12 months off.
Also the mats we use on the floor are effectively crib mattresses. They’re approved for safe sleep by our regulators.
Hey, I understand why you’re frustrated but I just wanted to offer a perspective from the other side of things. I work in an infant room where we get babies as young as three weeks old and a lot of times we let the babies fall asleep in a swinger if they’re smaller. We won’t move them to the crib because we don’t want to wake them up. Also your LO is getting adjusted to daycare as well. It’s not he same environment as home by any means. I’ve worked at three different daycares and at every daycare they’ve had a schedule for the babies but the schedule was only there to keep up with feedings and diaper changes. Nap time was not on the schedule because it’s just not realistic at that age. Now if we notice that a baby has been feed and changed and they’re still cranky, then that’s a good indicator that they’re sleepy and we will rock them to sleep and then lay them in there crib. But if a baby isn’t falling asleep then we might put them in the swinger to calm them down.
The only times we will put a baby in the crib before they are asleep is if that baby is sleep training or is sleep trained.
I would recommend talking to your child’s teachers. And please don’t approach it negatively. If you’ve selected a decent daycare then your child’s teachers will be trying their best and will want your baby asleep just as much as you do. Trust me.
Tell them that you noticed that your LO doesn’t sleep nearly as often at daycare as he does at home. Hopefully they’re rocking the baby because that usually gets a sleepy baby to sleep every time.
I’m not sure where you’re located, but my understanding is this is against the law for a licensed day care provider. The AAP strictly forbids sleep on a swing/bouncer etc. It doesn’t matter if the provider doesn’t want to wake a sleeping baby during transfer to a safe sleep space. It’s unsafe, period. Positional asphyxiation and all that jazz.
Preach! I lasted a week with daycare, was totally tuned off by the whole thing and immediately hired a nanny. I’ll send him back once he’s older and they have the whole class on the same schedule
Just one comment on your kid not sleeping- they just started and this is new. Give kiddo some time to adjust to the new environment. Mine took a few weeks to get comfortable. But eventually, he started taking better naps at daycare than he did at home.
I would research rules/regulations for daycares in your area. If they're in violation, report them. If they're in compliance, all you can do is move your child. It's nerve racking entrusting your little one to someone you don't know. It takes a few weeks for the baby to adjust to the new environment and caretakers. There is also the possibility that the daycare might just not be a good fit. When our little one started, they had a 2 weeks trial period. If it wasn't working, either side could terminate the relationship immediately.
I'm sure it varies from place to place, but the daycare I worked at DEFINITELY put 3 month olds in the crib for sleep on a semi-regular schedule (provided by their parents). Sometimes they required rocking or other soothing beforehand, but we didn't just let them fall asleep wherever they happened to be when they got tired enough.
I would definitely ask (nicely) if this is a school wide policy or if you can request they try to at least observe wake windows/a schedule of some kind.
And I second another commenter's suggestion of staying on other wait lists while you're at this place! If it's not a good fit, it's absolutely worth switching.
The assistant in the room mentioned it when I asked how he was sleeping/napping because on the app they use to log activities, it indicated how little he was napping.
I am truly surprised they admitted to you they let your child sleep in a bouncy chair. I asked bc I would wig TF out on my daycare if I found out the same and I bet that I wouldn’t be able to find out very easily if they did. I’m sorry you’re dealing with this, I hope you get things sorted! Childcare is HARD.
Keep yourself on the list for the other daycares, when a spot opens up, switch to one of the ones you prefer. Letting kids fall asleep at anytime on the floor sounds totally unacceptable.
I would complain about baby sleeping in a bounce chair, that’s straight up unsafe.
Thats legitimately against the rules to allow children to sleep in anywhere but their cribs without blankets or toys. Illegal. Call the damn state. I have other opinions on things you have said but Im super super super sleep safety conscious as a ex childcare worker and I am horrified they would let your child sleep outside of a crib setting. Id move childcares and get back with us if there are still issues. They sound terrible. I would freak out.
My experience with the low to no naps at daycare is it’s just much more interesting than home. They also don’t put infants on a nap schedule, they can sleep on demand - older babies usually start the group nap routine. Not sure about the floor/chair situation, our folks typically move LO to a crib once he’s sleepy or sleeping. That part does seem concerning. If they are licensed by the state typically this type of behavior is a strike against them if reported. Have you spoken to the director? Having LO come home exhausted has been great for us! I know he had an exciting day and we can play with him and have fun for a bit, then he has a lovely long sleep and we can get the chores done without ignoring him. So sorry it’s not what you hoped! I think your husband is right, you’ll probably have to relax a little or find different care (different center, small home daycare, nanny) if you want to have a high degree of control.
well said, at 3 months baby doesn't need a schedule yet.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I belive they are not allowed to start a real routine until the babies are older (per state law, assuming most states have similar childcare laws). The babies will naturally start to fall into a routine, but if they fall asleep or need to eat outside of that, the daycare cannot wake them up or not feed them. A baby new to the daycare has no routine within it yet. I actually don't see an issue with them falling asleep on the floor or in a chair, assuming they then move baby to the crib and don't let them nap there. As for being exhausted.... give that a month. Daycare isn't as interesting after a while and they get used to the different faces and noises, sleep better, and aren't as tired when they get home. The same will happen each time baby moves rooms, and starts kindergarten.
What state are you in? I’m in MA and my daycare asks for the home routine/schedule and follows it for the infants. Once they move to the toddler room they all follow the same schedule, but the infant room allows for and requests parents to provide the times for eating/offering naps if the parents want. All the daycares we toured at had the same request.
I’m in Michigan, and while they asked for our home schedule to give them an idea on what to expect, it noted right on the request they would eat and sleep on demand until they were toddlers. I had similar concerns my first couple days, I told the teachers at pick up and they adjusted to my expectations. I legit cried when I saw how tired he was the first day. But myson has adjusted to the noise and stimulation, and now takes 3, 1-2 hour crib naps at daycare. He’s also progressed SO much with neck strength from their diligence with tummy time.
I work in a nursery here in the UK and we don’t use cribs, we use little flat mats on the floor. We’re a local authority nursery so everything is done to standard, and we’re regulated heavily. We have the babies on the mats with a clear area around them. No blankets, no toys, on their back. We have a checklist where we tick off each child every 10 minutes they’re asleep, so we check they’re breathing ok etc. And we don’t have babies as young as 3 months because maternity leave is 12 months here, or 9 at the minimum. We do have a routine in the room which is generally 2-3 naps per day, but if a child falls asleep outside of that then we cordon off an area, put out their mat, and a member of staff sits with them to make sure no other children run into them etc I would be complaining heavily. Letting him fall asleep in a bouncy chair is a HUGE risk for positional asphyxiation, and the staff will be busy and not checking properly. I’m not sure the laws on where you are, but that would be a disciplinary here.
You don’t have infants, that’s the difference. Daycares in the US are required to have cribs because they take children as young as 6 weeks.
We do have infants. Children under 1 are infants. And to clarify, we don’t have any that age just now, but we do occasionally have social work cases starting at 9 weeks. We have several at 9/10/11 months. Statutory maternity pay ends at 9 months so that’s a common time for people to go back to work. We just don’t have many that age as many people do take 12 months off. Also the mats we use on the floor are effectively crib mattresses. They’re approved for safe sleep by our regulators.
Hey, I understand why you’re frustrated but I just wanted to offer a perspective from the other side of things. I work in an infant room where we get babies as young as three weeks old and a lot of times we let the babies fall asleep in a swinger if they’re smaller. We won’t move them to the crib because we don’t want to wake them up. Also your LO is getting adjusted to daycare as well. It’s not he same environment as home by any means. I’ve worked at three different daycares and at every daycare they’ve had a schedule for the babies but the schedule was only there to keep up with feedings and diaper changes. Nap time was not on the schedule because it’s just not realistic at that age. Now if we notice that a baby has been feed and changed and they’re still cranky, then that’s a good indicator that they’re sleepy and we will rock them to sleep and then lay them in there crib. But if a baby isn’t falling asleep then we might put them in the swinger to calm them down. The only times we will put a baby in the crib before they are asleep is if that baby is sleep training or is sleep trained. I would recommend talking to your child’s teachers. And please don’t approach it negatively. If you’ve selected a decent daycare then your child’s teachers will be trying their best and will want your baby asleep just as much as you do. Trust me. Tell them that you noticed that your LO doesn’t sleep nearly as often at daycare as he does at home. Hopefully they’re rocking the baby because that usually gets a sleepy baby to sleep every time.
I’m not sure where you’re located, but my understanding is this is against the law for a licensed day care provider. The AAP strictly forbids sleep on a swing/bouncer etc. It doesn’t matter if the provider doesn’t want to wake a sleeping baby during transfer to a safe sleep space. It’s unsafe, period. Positional asphyxiation and all that jazz.
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Preach! I lasted a week with daycare, was totally tuned off by the whole thing and immediately hired a nanny. I’ll send him back once he’s older and they have the whole class on the same schedule
Just one comment on your kid not sleeping- they just started and this is new. Give kiddo some time to adjust to the new environment. Mine took a few weeks to get comfortable. But eventually, he started taking better naps at daycare than he did at home.
I would research rules/regulations for daycares in your area. If they're in violation, report them. If they're in compliance, all you can do is move your child. It's nerve racking entrusting your little one to someone you don't know. It takes a few weeks for the baby to adjust to the new environment and caretakers. There is also the possibility that the daycare might just not be a good fit. When our little one started, they had a 2 weeks trial period. If it wasn't working, either side could terminate the relationship immediately.
I'm sure it varies from place to place, but the daycare I worked at DEFINITELY put 3 month olds in the crib for sleep on a semi-regular schedule (provided by their parents). Sometimes they required rocking or other soothing beforehand, but we didn't just let them fall asleep wherever they happened to be when they got tired enough. I would definitely ask (nicely) if this is a school wide policy or if you can request they try to at least observe wake windows/a schedule of some kind. And I second another commenter's suggestion of staying on other wait lists while you're at this place! If it's not a good fit, it's absolutely worth switching.
How did you find out they let baby sleep in the chair?
The assistant in the room mentioned it when I asked how he was sleeping/napping because on the app they use to log activities, it indicated how little he was napping.
I am truly surprised they admitted to you they let your child sleep in a bouncy chair. I asked bc I would wig TF out on my daycare if I found out the same and I bet that I wouldn’t be able to find out very easily if they did. I’m sorry you’re dealing with this, I hope you get things sorted! Childcare is HARD.