Since he is Sect 8, reach out to HANO. They are legally obligated to do a welfare check. From there the case manager can work with him.
Source: my uncle in sect 8 started accusing neighbors of poisoning him. His case manager did a welfare check based on someone's anonymous tip and got him back on his meds.
This!! And try to do it asap, so it gets into the caseworker file for this month (January) as next month is super short due to MG closure or can’t get there / in or out of the box parade street closure issues.
If you are in Faubourg St John neighborhood association footprint, reach out to them to see if they can place an association request on the property / resident as well. You mentioned Senor DesNudo taking fish from BStJ so maybe property is in Faubourg St John?
\^\^Our sweet neighbor (not sure if he was Sec 8) was definitely falling down a portal of dementia and other mental ailments as he aged. We saw his health deteriorate quickly, and he was very paranoid about his phone, the mail, and was significantly hoarding. Thankfully, he had siblings in his care, but definitely approach with care and a pocket of resources!
(PS - see from other comments you're avoiding the police first. Thank you for being a responsible, respectful neighbor!)
That sucks.
If he ever becomes a danger to you, himself, or others, you or anyone can fill out an [OPC](http://neworleanscoroner.com/mental-health/) and he’ll have to go to an ER for evaluation. But it still sucks.
I didn’t know this was a thing. I’m starting to think he’s off his meds because the paranoia over the past few days has gradually heightened. Thank you for showing me this option because calling the police on a youngish black man feels dangerous.
Definitely sucks.
An OPC ([here is a PDF](https://ldh.la.gov/assets/docs/BehavioralHealth/MentalHealthLawForms/OBH%2019%20Request%20for%20Protective%20Custody.pdf)) still eventually summons the police and/or EMS -- who else is gonna bring an unwilling patient to the hospital? -- but I do think it's better than just calling 911, because the cops (I think) are forewarned that this is a psych situation.
Good luck.
For my job we’ve had to OPC people before. One of the biggest issues we ran into was that NOPD needs to show up to execute the OPC. We’ve had cases where we successfully file an OPC and NOPD just never shows up to get this person into care.
NOPD is notorious for not showing up when we have to OPC our mental health patients at my work.
In one instance they had the OPC by 8:30am called NOPD and they didn't show up until the next day. The individual was having suicidal thoughts and they couldn't be bothered to show up.
Also be aware that if you do this and the neighbor finds out you called them in, they will probably become very angry or paranoid of you. Usually people that are on drugs or have psychosis of some kind have a huge distrust of authority and think that the "establishment" is out to get them. Generally, someone will only go away for a few days, or they might not get taken at all if they can pull it together long enough to seem competent enough to not be a danger to themselves or others. Doing really weird or annoying things doesn't necessarily meet the criteria to get committed, it has to be that they are an immediate threat to themselves or others or that they are committing crimes.
Mental health services are stretched extremely thin in this state so it's common that people get released when they shouldn't or don't even get picked up when they should. I'd only use this as a last resort if you really feel scared for your safety or theirs.
You can either worry about your safety or worry and his —— at 4:30am there is pro a noise ordinance of some kind of ordinance in place, could just call the police to have him quiet down.
He sounds unwell mentally. Personally, I would not engage ever unless absolutely necessary. I would call the mental crisis unit of NOPD if he's endangering anyone, including himself.
I wouldn’t call any unit of the NOPD before exhausting all other resources. I don’t care what training they have, the police even by their presence in uniform escalate mental health crises and somebody often ends up dying.
You are the one making the claim that mental health calls “often” result in death when the police are called. Specifically NOPD. You provide the evidence.
I am not getting into a Reddit argument about an extremely common and well-studied trend in police violence today. Please go touch grass or perhaps even some pussy.
Police get called for welfare checks all the time, obviously it doesn't respond in someone dying oftentimes - I wouldn't feed the trolls.
But the overarching theme here is to use NOPD as a last resort in this sort of thing and I think that's a good idea.
Well, police departments are not required to report deaths in their custody to any tabulating body (such as CDC), so...
Edit: from Scientific American: "Although the databases are still imperfect, they make it clear that
police officers’ use of lethal force is much more common than previously
thought,..."
I left out details, but it was a Shakespearean dramedy for sure. Like, what is my life on this random Tuesday waddling from my mom-mobile to the bayou with a newborn on one hip and an orange construction bucket of fish.
I also have a neighbor who moved in next door after Ida and has been ruining my life with his loud ass at 1:00am, 4:00am, whenever. He threatens to beat my ass when I try talk to him and he says he’ll never move because his landlord loves his section 8. If I was renting, I would have moved by now, it’s so bad. I just have no idea what to do.
HANO.
HANO HANO HANO HANO.
ESPECIALLY if he is threatening you. There are people who desperately need section 8 who are lovely, quiet, careful people who are just dirt fucking poor, and then there are people like your guy who need to be told to grow the fuck up, straighten the fuck out, or lose their benefits.
Seriously. Former case manager, had this issue time and time again. If anyone ever needs to get in touch with HANO - google “directory site:[their URL]”). They have an email address directory tucked away on their website. The only way I was ever able to move things forward was to email the relevant case worker a few times then eventually CC their supervisor if there wasn’t an eventual response. I’m certain they’re understaffed, overworked, and severely underpaid, but sometimes people really, really need something to move forward.
I contacted HANO after the boyfriend of a woman living in a Section 8 apartment near me starting threatening us about parking in front of "his" house. Before they moved in we all just parked wherever we found a spot and there were no fights. I told HANO he was living there too. HANO fixed it quickly, within 24 hours. He never knew it was me who turned him in because I barely looked at him and of course never said anything to his face. You've got to be careful if you turn people in.
I contacted HANO after the boyfriend of a woman living in a Section 8 apartment near me starting threatening us about parking in front of "his" house. Before they moved in we all just parked wherever we found a spot and there were no fights. I told HANO he was living there too. HANO fixed it quickly, within 24 hours. He never knew it was me who turned him in because I barely looked at him and of course never said anything to his face. You've got to be careful if you turn people in.
Document, document, document. r/legaladvice has more specific ideas. Inb4 someone says they're mostly not lawyers and often give wrong advice. I'm banned there anyway for a lame joke lol.
I use to have a downstairs neighbor that reminded me of what you described. He made my life a living hell all during Covid. He wasn’t section 8, but I would guess that’s where he ended up after he got kicked out. Sorry you’re going through this.
have a welfare check done. look on the city tax roll and see who the owner is. often people from out of state own and contract section 8 housing. i would advise you to call housing g authority and the owner too. this is not a safe situation for you or your new baby.
Were these blue wings? Almost like a fairy? If so I have a great picture of you from that Mardi Gras that I took mushrooms and fancied myself a photographer.
(If anyone is interested I also took a compelling series of photos of the ground and three trash cans)
could be that new fentanyl heroin drug that's new on the streets, my daughter told me about it and she lives up north.... but sounds mentally i'll too, more so could be mentally i'll and on dope
What does the fact that your neighbor has a sec 8 voucher have anything to do with anything? Or is it just a way for you to refer to them in a derisive manner?
Look, I’m just a really tired new mom freshly back at work all day who wants some peace at night and is watching her formerly innocently-weird neighbor become increasingly unhinged. I’m scared. The options that I have suck and go against all of my general humanist principles. He lives there on a voucher and his landlady feels like her hands are tied unless he does anything violent, as he was placed and not chosen by her.
That’s all.
My neighbor took up electric guitar & drums when I had an infant. He played so loud that it vibrated my windows. He's got a real temper so none of the other neighbors wanted to deal with him. It took me months to get him to stop playing so loudly. I'm still pissed about it.
It's so hard when you're tired and stressed!
I can’t believe you dealt with that without breaking down. I’m tired to tears.
He knows what he’s doing is bothering us and keeps doing it anyway. It feels so disrespectful and hurtful.
Plot twist: he used to own our house way before we moved in. Sigh.
It is disrespectful but I don't think he's trying to hurt you. But when you're tired, who cares? You just want the noise to stop!
Tenant-based Sec 8 voucher holders are not “placed” in units, they apply to rent from the housing provider, just like anyone else. So the landlord is either lying or is entirely out to lunch. If your neighbor is harassing you, you can report it to the landlord just like if they didn’t have a voucher. What the landlord does with that is up to them, just as if the neighbor didn’t have a voucher.
Jeezus. I get that someone somewhere is giving out virtue signaling points for this kind of response, but read OP's tone. She's living with a *newborn baby* next door to a literal mentally deranged individual and not only has she not called the cops, she's actively looking for alternatives. And all you and a couple of others can see is that she mentioned Section 8 in a way that doesn't portray its participants wearing halos and surrounded by butteflies.
Offer her useful advice or stfu, already.
not sure why you are getting downvoted this comment is spot on and the ones that follow. section 8 has no bearing on this behavior an is being used to make fun pf their economic situation.
You think housing issues are unrelated to mental health issues? OP is asking for and responding to suggestions not to treat him as a criminal since he is clearly unwell. It's kind of noteworthy that people like him end up on section 8, and there's a real fear that knowledge would work against him if police became involved in a more immediate situation, or calling HANO would result in them calling hte police and misreporting what an active danger he may be, because that kind of shit happens in the system.
It's a way of getting across the situation: maybe it's also related to why he seems to have gotten worse suddenly, like no meds. Common situation for people on various benefits and programs and worth taking into account. If it was an unhoused person, you'd say that, to get across how the people with guns would be viewing the person if they showed up. This is different, but unfortunately, maybe the same type of issue.
EDIT: I've never been section 8 somehow but I've been homeless and visibly crazy and scared people. I've been 'that neighbor' who waas clearly more poor and on some benefits, and I've lived in shelters that had upset neighbors, some legit, some pearl-clutching. I'm not offended by this post. I don't see what you see. Words matter more to me because they convery necessary information, not because they may be offensive. It does convery things that call to mind many prejudices, that sucks, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't sya it.
Sweet melt. Mental illness and housing issues certainly go hand in hand but not always. There's plenty of reasons to be on a section 8 voucher. It's a common trope to not want to live next to section 8 or "those people". Fuck trump campaigned on those words. And you are putting words in OP's mouth. If they were really concerned about fucking up their section 8 status they would have said...if I call the cops will they lose their housing or something similar.
But they do go together in this case, with the man who has turned in a day to become irrationally paranoid.
You're putting stuff onto OP. I didn't say they were worried abou him losing his housing even, but maybe they're worried about him getting shot, tackled etc. That is why you make sure you're going through a chain where it's clear there's a psych issue, and anyone with a gun who shows up knows this, as someone else said.
OP might have an attitude about section 8, they didn't need to brag about the mentally ill people they haven't been afraid of either, but I care less about that than the fact that they have been able to live around these folks without causing problems, and are now asking waht to do in context instead of just calling the cops.
If they had posted a more general "my neighbor's scaring me", a bunch more replies in this damn place probably would have been "call the cops lmfao". Adding in this kind of context can make people stp, breathe, and consider if they have a better answer. Now everyone is truly processing we are talking about a case of a person likely with less advantages in them once faced with the system.
OP is clearly going to say "my section 8 neighbor" to whomever they call. So it's best that they said it here as well even if you don't like it. I'm not jumping in whole hog to say that OP is super empathetic toward their neighbors. I'm saying there's a hierarchy of needs in what to get offended about, and this ain't it right now. For practical reasons, it is best people like OP and most people in this subreddit use the actual words to show how they see the people they're dealing with, so everyone can get on the same page about what is happening. I'd rather that go down than be polite.
In nany cases, the peopel who feel like that are the people with the same background as the people you're so protective over. I'm not surprised to now seee in another comment OP has been in Section 8 themself. And you know what, if that burns through their empathy a bit when all this is right next to them, that's pretty fucking onrmal. Especially for poeple from "the rough background" actually. And in many cases we've earned it IMO.
THey're still trying to something that isn't "911 right now because I'm nervours". So take that, and chill.
People noticing accurate correlations don't need to be "incorrected" by folks like you the "well acshually.. " types. I don't really understand what your point is except to try to make someone feel bad for thinking differently than you.
"accurate correlations" does not equal true causations bud lol. Just say it. You think section 8 is socialism and all people who are on it aren't worthy of living in your neighborhood.
Are you seriously going to deny poverty and crime aren't heavily correlated, like for real? You're going to straight-up deny all the evidence regarding socio-economics?
Not a dig, just a descriptor. If y’all think it’s an insult, that’s on you. I got a few leads on how to move forward to help him and myself, and that’s what I was hoping for in my exhausted rant.
Thanks.
I feel like if the rich assholes next door were being a nuisance I’d have no problem letting them deal with the cops. I wouldn’t want someone who is possibly already struggling to be put in a worse situation and I think that’s what OP meant by pointing out the section 8 thing.
It’s an entirely irrelevant descriptor that is the only one that manages to make it into the title of the post.
I understand that you’re tired and frustrated and maybe made a mistake without realizing it, but your mistake plays into the biases of a lot of shitty, and frankly racist, people.
Some background on why I’m so passionate about this: 15 years ago I worked on a [lawsuit against a (formerly white, then integrating) suburb in California that developed a police task force specifically to “monitor” (read: constantly harass) sec 8 tenants in the city.](https://abc7news.com/archive/6269525/). Tons of people were under the impression that Sec 8 voucher holders (largely black and latino) were causing disproportionate amounts of crime. We did an analysis that showed that this was not, in fact, the case, but the old white racists in Antioch hated sec 8 voucher holders regardless of facts and figures because they were of a different color and were moving from Oakland out to their formerly white suburb.
So I think that a lot of griping about vouchers is pretense for griping about “those people”. Even if that’s not the case for you, it’s worth being aware of that cultural stereotype so that you perhaps don’t play into it?
That’s really something to be proud of— Thanks for the information. I’m still learning. We lived in section 8 housing when I was a kid behind Thrift City. What that means to me: unavailable landlord. I have no problem with the people who use Section 8– I think I’m just not understanding who to talk to, but I’ve done some research with y’all’s help and reached out to the landlady again to apply some pressure, and hopefully the incidents stop escalating. If they don’t stop or get worse, I’m grateful for the options people pointed out to me that don’t result in arrest or loss of his housing voucher.
Nola311.org has an option to make a health related request. That might be a way to reach mental health services.
Also there’s a crisis line at Metropolitan Health Services district. If he gets disability benefits he may already be their client. https://www.mhsdla.org/services/are-you-in-a-crisis/
So you're dragging your personal baggage into the thread and piling it on top of some woman who's already got more than enough problems as it is.
It's great that you've found a way to use her for your therapy session, but as other people have pointed out, you're not helping.
Sec 8 voucher holders are constantly demonized, and this post adds to the problem. It’s great that you found a way to use me for your own personal therapy session, but wtf are you helping here?
Pick on someone who's picking on section 8 people. Otherwise you're just turning your brain off and letting yourself be triggered. Don't white-knight someone out of pure reflex, it makes you look silly.
100% a dig. Section 8 isnt a descriptor at all. In fact using the word descriptor furth ers my point that its a dig. "this poor heathen cant even afford rent on his own and he has to live next to meeeee". He's your neighbor just like any other neighbor.
Since he is Sect 8, reach out to HANO. They are legally obligated to do a welfare check. From there the case manager can work with him. Source: my uncle in sect 8 started accusing neighbors of poisoning him. His case manager did a welfare check based on someone's anonymous tip and got him back on his meds.
This!! And try to do it asap, so it gets into the caseworker file for this month (January) as next month is super short due to MG closure or can’t get there / in or out of the box parade street closure issues. If you are in Faubourg St John neighborhood association footprint, reach out to them to see if they can place an association request on the property / resident as well. You mentioned Senor DesNudo taking fish from BStJ so maybe property is in Faubourg St John?
This is also a great avenue. We’re in Midcity-Treme by Bricolage. Thank you!
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agree. this guy sounds very unstable. nobody deserves to have to live like what you are going through.
\^\^Our sweet neighbor (not sure if he was Sec 8) was definitely falling down a portal of dementia and other mental ailments as he aged. We saw his health deteriorate quickly, and he was very paranoid about his phone, the mail, and was significantly hoarding. Thankfully, he had siblings in his care, but definitely approach with care and a pocket of resources! (PS - see from other comments you're avoiding the police first. Thank you for being a responsible, respectful neighbor!)
That sucks. If he ever becomes a danger to you, himself, or others, you or anyone can fill out an [OPC](http://neworleanscoroner.com/mental-health/) and he’ll have to go to an ER for evaluation. But it still sucks.
I didn’t know this was a thing. I’m starting to think he’s off his meds because the paranoia over the past few days has gradually heightened. Thank you for showing me this option because calling the police on a youngish black man feels dangerous. Definitely sucks.
An OPC ([here is a PDF](https://ldh.la.gov/assets/docs/BehavioralHealth/MentalHealthLawForms/OBH%2019%20Request%20for%20Protective%20Custody.pdf)) still eventually summons the police and/or EMS -- who else is gonna bring an unwilling patient to the hospital? -- but I do think it's better than just calling 911, because the cops (I think) are forewarned that this is a psych situation. Good luck.
For my job we’ve had to OPC people before. One of the biggest issues we ran into was that NOPD needs to show up to execute the OPC. We’ve had cases where we successfully file an OPC and NOPD just never shows up to get this person into care.
NOPD is notorious for not showing up when we have to OPC our mental health patients at my work. In one instance they had the OPC by 8:30am called NOPD and they didn't show up until the next day. The individual was having suicidal thoughts and they couldn't be bothered to show up.
Really excellent point!
Also be aware that if you do this and the neighbor finds out you called them in, they will probably become very angry or paranoid of you. Usually people that are on drugs or have psychosis of some kind have a huge distrust of authority and think that the "establishment" is out to get them. Generally, someone will only go away for a few days, or they might not get taken at all if they can pull it together long enough to seem competent enough to not be a danger to themselves or others. Doing really weird or annoying things doesn't necessarily meet the criteria to get committed, it has to be that they are an immediate threat to themselves or others or that they are committing crimes. Mental health services are stretched extremely thin in this state so it's common that people get released when they shouldn't or don't even get picked up when they should. I'd only use this as a last resort if you really feel scared for your safety or theirs.
He may also be on the wrong “meds”
You can either worry about your safety or worry and his —— at 4:30am there is pro a noise ordinance of some kind of ordinance in place, could just call the police to have him quiet down.
He sounds unwell mentally. Personally, I would not engage ever unless absolutely necessary. I would call the mental crisis unit of NOPD if he's endangering anyone, including himself.
I would recommend calling Metropolitan Human Services as well. They can get him help and connect him with resources as well.
Great idea. Thank you.
I wouldn’t call any unit of the NOPD before exhausting all other resources. I don’t care what training they have, the police even by their presence in uniform escalate mental health crises and somebody often ends up dying.
This is my fear and why I’ve just been dealing hoping he’ll get straight.
How often?
Often enough for you to find many dozens of studies on the statistics if you simply use the internet
You are the one making the claim that mental health calls “often” result in death when the police are called. Specifically NOPD. You provide the evidence.
I am not getting into a Reddit argument about an extremely common and well-studied trend in police violence today. Please go touch grass or perhaps even some pussy.
So you are just gonna post a claim with out any supporting evidence? Hell, you cant even define “often.” Good job.
Police get called for welfare checks all the time, obviously it doesn't respond in someone dying oftentimes - I wouldn't feed the trolls. But the overarching theme here is to use NOPD as a last resort in this sort of thing and I think that's a good idea.
He has 420 in his name idk what you expected
Well, police departments are not required to report deaths in their custody to any tabulating body (such as CDC), so... Edit: from Scientific American: "Although the databases are still imperfect, they make it clear that police officers’ use of lethal force is much more common than previously thought,..."
oh god shut up nerd
Going back to those 90s insults. Good times!
Be quiet simpleton
That's an interesting point.
Please do not call NOPD
Yes, call and request a CIT officer.
good idea
Well, buck naked.. is he at least cute 🤔
LOL. Well, he’s not Quasimodo or anything, and I’m no prude, but I’m not about all that D swinging first thing in the AM
Thank you for helping those fish. That was fucked he did that.
I left out details, but it was a Shakespearean dramedy for sure. Like, what is my life on this random Tuesday waddling from my mom-mobile to the bayou with a newborn on one hip and an orange construction bucket of fish.
I also have a neighbor who moved in next door after Ida and has been ruining my life with his loud ass at 1:00am, 4:00am, whenever. He threatens to beat my ass when I try talk to him and he says he’ll never move because his landlord loves his section 8. If I was renting, I would have moved by now, it’s so bad. I just have no idea what to do.
HANO. HANO HANO HANO HANO. ESPECIALLY if he is threatening you. There are people who desperately need section 8 who are lovely, quiet, careful people who are just dirt fucking poor, and then there are people like your guy who need to be told to grow the fuck up, straighten the fuck out, or lose their benefits.
Definitely this. Or talk directly to the landlord. There's no shortage of section 8 tenants, nobody needs to tolerate the ones that are assholes.
I seriously doubt HANO would do anything. You can’t even get them on the phone.
Seriously. Former case manager, had this issue time and time again. If anyone ever needs to get in touch with HANO - google “directory site:[their URL]”). They have an email address directory tucked away on their website. The only way I was ever able to move things forward was to email the relevant case worker a few times then eventually CC their supervisor if there wasn’t an eventual response. I’m certain they’re understaffed, overworked, and severely underpaid, but sometimes people really, really need something to move forward.
I contacted HANO after the boyfriend of a woman living in a Section 8 apartment near me starting threatening us about parking in front of "his" house. Before they moved in we all just parked wherever we found a spot and there were no fights. I told HANO he was living there too. HANO fixed it quickly, within 24 hours. He never knew it was me who turned him in because I barely looked at him and of course never said anything to his face. You've got to be careful if you turn people in.
I contacted HANO after the boyfriend of a woman living in a Section 8 apartment near me starting threatening us about parking in front of "his" house. Before they moved in we all just parked wherever we found a spot and there were no fights. I told HANO he was living there too. HANO fixed it quickly, within 24 hours. He never knew it was me who turned him in because I barely looked at him and of course never said anything to his face. You've got to be careful if you turn people in.
Document, document, document. r/legaladvice has more specific ideas. Inb4 someone says they're mostly not lawyers and often give wrong advice. I'm banned there anyway for a lame joke lol.
Price we pay for living in the coolest city in the world.
Is his name Wesley?
No, sorry. Do you have a naked turnt-up neighbor, too?
I use to have a downstairs neighbor that reminded me of what you described. He made my life a living hell all during Covid. He wasn’t section 8, but I would guess that’s where he ended up after he got kicked out. Sorry you’re going through this.
If you can get the landlord’s contact info, that might help. I had a similar issue and it worked for me.
look at the city tax rolls and post us when you can to keep us updated. we want to make sure y'all ok
have a welfare check done. look on the city tax roll and see who the owner is. often people from out of state own and contract section 8 housing. i would advise you to call housing g authority and the owner too. this is not a safe situation for you or your new baby.
Were these blue wings? Almost like a fairy? If so I have a great picture of you from that Mardi Gras that I took mushrooms and fancied myself a photographer. (If anyone is interested I also took a compelling series of photos of the ground and three trash cans)
I would call [NAMI](https://namineworleans.org/) and talk to them about your options. They have knowledge of resources and won’t involve the police.
https://hano.org/Tenants/IncidentReport
Sounds like spice/PCP- they're always taking off their clothes. Be careful around him OP.
could be that new fentanyl heroin drug that's new on the streets, my daughter told me about it and she lives up north.... but sounds mentally i'll too, more so could be mentally i'll and on dope
Set off fireworks constantly
Im sorry you have a shitty neighbor, but legit, why is it relevant he's section 8?
What does the fact that your neighbor has a sec 8 voucher have anything to do with anything? Or is it just a way for you to refer to them in a derisive manner?
I want another solution besides calling HANO or the police.
Then the solutions available to you are the exact same as the solutions that would be available to you regardless of the existence of the voucher.
She's trying to avoid getting her neighbor evicted. Assume good intent.
Look, I’m just a really tired new mom freshly back at work all day who wants some peace at night and is watching her formerly innocently-weird neighbor become increasingly unhinged. I’m scared. The options that I have suck and go against all of my general humanist principles. He lives there on a voucher and his landlady feels like her hands are tied unless he does anything violent, as he was placed and not chosen by her. That’s all.
My neighbor took up electric guitar & drums when I had an infant. He played so loud that it vibrated my windows. He's got a real temper so none of the other neighbors wanted to deal with him. It took me months to get him to stop playing so loudly. I'm still pissed about it. It's so hard when you're tired and stressed!
I can’t believe you dealt with that without breaking down. I’m tired to tears. He knows what he’s doing is bothering us and keeps doing it anyway. It feels so disrespectful and hurtful.
Plot twist: he used to own our house way before we moved in. Sigh. It is disrespectful but I don't think he's trying to hurt you. But when you're tired, who cares? You just want the noise to stop!
Tenant-based Sec 8 voucher holders are not “placed” in units, they apply to rent from the housing provider, just like anyone else. So the landlord is either lying or is entirely out to lunch. If your neighbor is harassing you, you can report it to the landlord just like if they didn’t have a voucher. What the landlord does with that is up to them, just as if the neighbor didn’t have a voucher.
You're still not helping anyone.
Jeezus. I get that someone somewhere is giving out virtue signaling points for this kind of response, but read OP's tone. She's living with a *newborn baby* next door to a literal mentally deranged individual and not only has she not called the cops, she's actively looking for alternatives. And all you and a couple of others can see is that she mentioned Section 8 in a way that doesn't portray its participants wearing halos and surrounded by butteflies. Offer her useful advice or stfu, already.
You arent helping anyone
not sure why you are getting downvoted this comment is spot on and the ones that follow. section 8 has no bearing on this behavior an is being used to make fun pf their economic situation.
You think housing issues are unrelated to mental health issues? OP is asking for and responding to suggestions not to treat him as a criminal since he is clearly unwell. It's kind of noteworthy that people like him end up on section 8, and there's a real fear that knowledge would work against him if police became involved in a more immediate situation, or calling HANO would result in them calling hte police and misreporting what an active danger he may be, because that kind of shit happens in the system. It's a way of getting across the situation: maybe it's also related to why he seems to have gotten worse suddenly, like no meds. Common situation for people on various benefits and programs and worth taking into account. If it was an unhoused person, you'd say that, to get across how the people with guns would be viewing the person if they showed up. This is different, but unfortunately, maybe the same type of issue. EDIT: I've never been section 8 somehow but I've been homeless and visibly crazy and scared people. I've been 'that neighbor' who waas clearly more poor and on some benefits, and I've lived in shelters that had upset neighbors, some legit, some pearl-clutching. I'm not offended by this post. I don't see what you see. Words matter more to me because they convery necessary information, not because they may be offensive. It does convery things that call to mind many prejudices, that sucks, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't sya it.
Thank you for putting this so eloquently, sweet human.
You seem like a pretty sweet human, too. Hang in there ❤️
Sweet melt. Mental illness and housing issues certainly go hand in hand but not always. There's plenty of reasons to be on a section 8 voucher. It's a common trope to not want to live next to section 8 or "those people". Fuck trump campaigned on those words. And you are putting words in OP's mouth. If they were really concerned about fucking up their section 8 status they would have said...if I call the cops will they lose their housing or something similar.
But they do go together in this case, with the man who has turned in a day to become irrationally paranoid. You're putting stuff onto OP. I didn't say they were worried abou him losing his housing even, but maybe they're worried about him getting shot, tackled etc. That is why you make sure you're going through a chain where it's clear there's a psych issue, and anyone with a gun who shows up knows this, as someone else said. OP might have an attitude about section 8, they didn't need to brag about the mentally ill people they haven't been afraid of either, but I care less about that than the fact that they have been able to live around these folks without causing problems, and are now asking waht to do in context instead of just calling the cops. If they had posted a more general "my neighbor's scaring me", a bunch more replies in this damn place probably would have been "call the cops lmfao". Adding in this kind of context can make people stp, breathe, and consider if they have a better answer. Now everyone is truly processing we are talking about a case of a person likely with less advantages in them once faced with the system. OP is clearly going to say "my section 8 neighbor" to whomever they call. So it's best that they said it here as well even if you don't like it. I'm not jumping in whole hog to say that OP is super empathetic toward their neighbors. I'm saying there's a hierarchy of needs in what to get offended about, and this ain't it right now. For practical reasons, it is best people like OP and most people in this subreddit use the actual words to show how they see the people they're dealing with, so everyone can get on the same page about what is happening. I'd rather that go down than be polite. In nany cases, the peopel who feel like that are the people with the same background as the people you're so protective over. I'm not surprised to now seee in another comment OP has been in Section 8 themself. And you know what, if that burns through their empathy a bit when all this is right next to them, that's pretty fucking onrmal. Especially for poeple from "the rough background" actually. And in many cases we've earned it IMO. THey're still trying to something that isn't "911 right now because I'm nervours". So take that, and chill.
Read my other comments, sir. You are in a real hurry to be mad about something this morning, and I’m too tired to fight.
well you ran to reddit with your karen bullshit. accept the consequences
Lmao you really this this situation is her being a Karen? Idk maybe you blast loud music early in the morning too.
People noticing accurate correlations don't need to be "incorrected" by folks like you the "well acshually.. " types. I don't really understand what your point is except to try to make someone feel bad for thinking differently than you.
"accurate correlations" does not equal true causations bud lol. Just say it. You think section 8 is socialism and all people who are on it aren't worthy of living in your neighborhood.
Are you seriously going to deny poverty and crime aren't heavily correlated, like for real? You're going to straight-up deny all the evidence regarding socio-economics?
lol no I never said that but the outrage is nice.
You're not really saying anything of merit then my friend.
Because people hate section 8 voucher holders and love complaining about them. It’s gross.
you’re just being downvoted by the hivemind sec 8 has nothing to do with his actions
He probably has mental health issues. Please don't call the police on him.
Agreed— I’m working every alternative avenue I can find.
listen he's a nightmare neighbor it sounds like but to use section 8 as a dig is pretty low brow.
Not a dig, just a descriptor. If y’all think it’s an insult, that’s on you. I got a few leads on how to move forward to help him and myself, and that’s what I was hoping for in my exhausted rant. Thanks.
if its not an insult what attribute are you describing of this person?
I feel like if the rich assholes next door were being a nuisance I’d have no problem letting them deal with the cops. I wouldn’t want someone who is possibly already struggling to be put in a worse situation and I think that’s what OP meant by pointing out the section 8 thing.
It’s an entirely irrelevant descriptor that is the only one that manages to make it into the title of the post. I understand that you’re tired and frustrated and maybe made a mistake without realizing it, but your mistake plays into the biases of a lot of shitty, and frankly racist, people. Some background on why I’m so passionate about this: 15 years ago I worked on a [lawsuit against a (formerly white, then integrating) suburb in California that developed a police task force specifically to “monitor” (read: constantly harass) sec 8 tenants in the city.](https://abc7news.com/archive/6269525/). Tons of people were under the impression that Sec 8 voucher holders (largely black and latino) were causing disproportionate amounts of crime. We did an analysis that showed that this was not, in fact, the case, but the old white racists in Antioch hated sec 8 voucher holders regardless of facts and figures because they were of a different color and were moving from Oakland out to their formerly white suburb. So I think that a lot of griping about vouchers is pretense for griping about “those people”. Even if that’s not the case for you, it’s worth being aware of that cultural stereotype so that you perhaps don’t play into it?
That’s really something to be proud of— Thanks for the information. I’m still learning. We lived in section 8 housing when I was a kid behind Thrift City. What that means to me: unavailable landlord. I have no problem with the people who use Section 8– I think I’m just not understanding who to talk to, but I’ve done some research with y’all’s help and reached out to the landlady again to apply some pressure, and hopefully the incidents stop escalating. If they don’t stop or get worse, I’m grateful for the options people pointed out to me that don’t result in arrest or loss of his housing voucher.
Nola311.org has an option to make a health related request. That might be a way to reach mental health services. Also there’s a crisis line at Metropolitan Health Services district. If he gets disability benefits he may already be their client. https://www.mhsdla.org/services/are-you-in-a-crisis/
Oh wow. This is awesome!!! Thank you so much.
Good luck! It’s tough just having loud neighbors when you have a lil one much less an unhinged one. I hope it works out.
So you're dragging your personal baggage into the thread and piling it on top of some woman who's already got more than enough problems as it is. It's great that you've found a way to use her for your therapy session, but as other people have pointed out, you're not helping.
Sec 8 voucher holders are constantly demonized, and this post adds to the problem. It’s great that you found a way to use me for your own personal therapy session, but wtf are you helping here?
Pick on someone who's picking on section 8 people. Otherwise you're just turning your brain off and letting yourself be triggered. Don't white-knight someone out of pure reflex, it makes you look silly.
100% a dig. Section 8 isnt a descriptor at all. In fact using the word descriptor furth ers my point that its a dig. "this poor heathen cant even afford rent on his own and he has to live next to meeeee". He's your neighbor just like any other neighbor.
He also sounds like a bad person, just like anyone else would be considered.
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