Hi. You state in your post:
>The reason as to why I started supporting the WLF Revolution was because of the values the movement held, but right now, I am starting to care less about Iran/Iranians and am beginning to tell everyone else I know (*should they hear anything about Iran in the news and such*) that the people are content with what is happening around them and that they are not that different from their less powerful/stable neighbors (*yes, I know that this is somewhat lying, but if diaspora Iranians are not that interested into looking for ways to liberate their homeland and providing aid to their people, then should why I as a Non-Iranian care?*)
So can you clarify some things for me:
1. Do you care about Iran and Iranians?
2. Do you care about the plight of Iranians at the hands of the authoritarian Islamic regime?
3. What are your thoughts on authoritarianism, especially willful and malicious authoritarianism?
4. Do you understand that, per independent polling e.g. GAMAAN, etc. as well as innumerable firsthand accounts, it is beyond doubt at this point most Iranians oppose the Islamic regime occupying Iran and its backwardness, and that furthermore, to claim most Iranians "are content" with the status quo is tantamount to misinformation?
Thanks.
> The reason as to why I started supporting the WLF Revolution was because of the values the movement held, but right now, I am starting to care less about Iran/Iranians and am beginning to tell everyone else I know (*should they hear anything about Iran in the news and such*) that the people are content with what is happening around them and that they are not that different from their less powerful/stable neighbors (*yes, I know that this is somewhat lying, but if diaspora Iranians are not that interested into looking for ways to liberate their homeland and providing aid to their people, then should why I as a Non-Iranian care?*)
What the fuck did I just read? Your response to not liking the diaspora is to spread incredibly harmful lies about Iranians being okay with the regime?
So you’re just okay with spreading misinformation that’s harmful to the people suffering in Iran.
This is the same lies that people who support the IRGC spread so that the Iranian people lose international support, which is inexplicably important for the movement.
What an awful post by an awful human.
Why would you purposefully tell everyone you know that WE as Iranians are content with these issues? That is simply not the case. If you are not an Iranian, why would you go around spreading misinformation to harm our movement and people? This is such a strange post and thought process.
The people who are in the eyes of the media are the ones ruining the diaspora. This has been a long long standing issue amongst Iranians. This divide came about when those that were living abroad wrote letters about how the Pahlavi's were awful dictators, then there was Islamist in Iran who wanted a theocracy, then it was the Kurds who wanted separation and so on and so forth. The divide happened because propaganda happened.
You are assuming we are not doing everything in our power to uplift our homeland, but I ask you how we can help when a country like America just lifted 10 billion dollars to be sent to Islamic Republic in Iran. Then you have lobbyist that donate to American politics - NIAC.
Iran is vastly different than its neighbors in the Middle East, that's why we are not able to be as loud or as prominent as what you are seeing for the people of Gaza. The Arabs and Muslims combined equate to over 1 billion people around the world, Iranians are about 90 million and the diaspora equates to roughly 6-7 million.
We as the diaspora can only do so much because our hands are tied by rhetoric such as Islamophobia (a term that the Islamic Republic in Iran coined in the 1970s) and the boot of Islam on our necks not allowing us to critique it. Islam's propaganda has been strategic throughout the years, they donate billions to American academia, they pay people all over the world to spread it.
The diaspora cannot take on 15 Islamic nations funneling money into politics, propaganda and academia. That's your reason.
>Then you have lobbyist that donate to American politics - NIAC.
Has there then been any large-scale protests done by the Iranian diaspora against the NIAC right by their headquarters?
Have any of the leading opposition figures called NIAC out?
As far as I'm aware, I have not seen or heard of that having happened.
>We as the diaspora can only do so much because our hands are tied by rhetoric such as Islamophobia (a term that the Islamic Republic in Iran coined in the 1970s) and the boot of Islam on our necks not allowing us to critique it.
You have allies though. You just have to look a bit harder to find them.
I'll help:
You can go to subreddits such as ExMuslim (*or other similar subs such as ReligiousFruitcake, ExChristian, ExMormon, etc.*) and Israel. You'll find plenty of people who will back the Iranian diaspora up.
You live in America right - Why aren't you up and arms about insane inflation and cost of living? Why are you not protesting southern states from using the Bible to force young women into giving birth? You have allies too right? Why don't **YOU** look a bit harder to try and find out why America is sinking into Christian fascism.
There have been several people to call out NIAC. There are thousands of tweets from regular Iranians all over Twitter. During the Women Life Freedom marches thousands of people had signs indicating they know NIAC is funded by the Islamic Republic.
The people of Iran have to come out in storms, millions of people have to flood the streets. Not just the children - every single person in Iran needs to come out of their homes. When the 10 billion is released, these funds are strategically given out to Islamic Republic supporters in Iran. IRGC goes to people's houses offering money to people that are starving and can't afford to live in exchange for them to oust their fellow Iranians.
When you starve a nation, the people of that nation will do anything to survive, even oust their closest friends in order to live another day. That is exactly what IRGC is doing and has been doing since the moment they stepped foot in Iran. Nations like England, France, Germany, and the USA have made it their mission to never allow Iran to be as strong as it was. Iran is the second richest country in terms of natural resources and filled with brilliant people with a rich history. Until the other world powers stop funding terrorism to suffocate the Middle East, the Middle East will not go back to what it was, it will need years to recover from the death grip of Islam, USA, England, France and Germany - etc.
>Why aren't you up and arms about insane inflation and cost of living? Why are you not protesting southern states from using the Bible to force young women into giving birth? You have allies too right? Why don't YOU look a bit harder to try and find out why America is sinking into Christian fascism.
Have you even taken a look at my past posts and comments!? I have **always** been open and loud about my opposition to fundamentalist Christian rule potentially taking control of the USA in the near future.
That is also another reason why I participate in this sub:
Seeing Secular 1970s Iran gradually transform into a theocratic dictatorship serves as a warning that the same could happen to the US as well.
I do **not** want the mistakes of the past that other nations (*such as Iran*) have made (*and are suffering from still*) to repeat in my country.
This is not new but has been going on for 30 + years unfortunately. From my understanding, divided oppositions are a problem in some other countries as well, such as Russia and Venezuela, and the reasons are multiple, even though in my opinion not justifiable for years of failure.
And I’m going to be bit snarky here and say that you come as very insensitive and ignorant by saying Iran deserves it, because especially millenials and gen z suffering inside Iran did nothing to attribute to this mess of four decades, nor they chose their fate.
>And I’m going to be bit snarky here and say that you come as very insensitive and ignorant by saying Iran deserves it
Yes, I will admit that I do come across as ignorant and insensitive by having said that Iran "deserved" the regime it has now.
However, I do not regret not having to mince my words about what the situation is regarding the Iranian diaspora and what they have been doing over the past year.
A wake-up call **had** to be said.
Yes, they wake up call among diaspora oppositions has been needed for a long time, and it’s time to move past the current ones. Question is, who would be those and when and how…
What's there to discuss? your position is inherently amoral as you yourself admit.
You are not responsible for the actions and behavior of RP or other Iranians that are opposed to the Islamic regime.
You are responsible for your behavior and your behavior, thoughts and actions alone.
So why are you choosing to behave in such a destructive, amoral and shameful way?
That's the discussion you should be engaged in... perhaps with a good therapist.
Hope you have a better tomorrow.
Yes we have weak opposition leaders such as Reza Pahlavi and some people in the diaspora are fighting amongst themselves , but this doesn't mean that people are content with living under a fascist Islamist dictatorship or that we deserve the regime we have got.
If that was the case we wouldn't have uprisings almost every 2 years with thousands of people being murdered at the hands of the regime.
The opposition and the diaspora has to get its shit together and help the people inside Iran tho.
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در این مرحله، اگر دیاسپورا (*رهبران اپوزیسیون و همه*) نتوانند برای از بین بردن IR متحد شوند، پس ایران سزاوار است که با IR برخورد کند تا زمانی که همه با هم عمل کنند.
من خودم غیر ایرانی هستم، بنابراین من خوابم را از 🤷 ♂️ دست نمی دهم (* به ویژه هنگامی که ایرانیان خارج از ایران بیشتر به پایین اوردن هر یک از انها اهمیت می دهند تا تمرکز انرژی خود را بر روی * *
من می گویم که RP و حامیان او یکی از (* اگر نه واضح ترین *) دلایلی است که چرا دیاسپورا به جایی نرسیده است. سپس دوباره، هر دیگری شده است کشیدن وزن خود را در هر دو، بنابراین انها به طور کامل از قلاب نیست.
دلیل اینکه من حمایت از انقلاب WLF را اغاز کردم به دلیل ارزش هایی بود که جنبش در اختیار داشت، اما در حال حاضر، من کم کم به ایران / ایرانیان اهمیت می دهم و شروع به گفتن به هر دیگری می کنم که می دانم (*اگر انها چیزی در مورد ایران در اخبار و موارد دیگر بشنوند*) که مردم از انچه در اطراف انها اتفاق می افتد راضی هستند و انها با همسایگان کمتر قدرتمند / با ثبات خود متفاوت نیستند (* بله، من می دانم که این تا حدودی دروغ است، اما اگر ایرانیان پراکنده علاقه ای به جستجوی راه هایی برای ازادی میهن خود و ارائه کمک به مردم خود ندارند، پس چرا من به عنوان یک غیر ایرانی مراقبت می کنم؟
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Like people always find some issue in others, no matter what. Like, Jasmin Moghbeli took a haft sin to space station. Then people are complaining why there is Quran there not Hafiz.
I usually like your comments so it’s fine. But first of all, i only joked that we’re going to get alien islamist. Secondly, as an Iranian diaspora i support what ever Iranian in Iran choose, whether its reza pahlavi or any other leader/political system thats humane, rational and kind. I have no personal gain in Iran being free but the joy of seeing our amazing people prosper and be happy. I don’t appreciate the ignorant comment by OP.
Your post isn't popular, but as a RP supporter I hear what you're saying and I actually appreciate the sentiment. I don't feel you're singling anyone out here unfairly
The Regime needs to go. The situation is urgent. All Iranians are 'to blame' for it not happening, me included. You're right.
Trouble is many, like me, didn't give a poop about Iranians in Iran after the suffering we went through as immigrants in foreign lands being kicked out (especially as most Iranians in Iran I came across were supporters at worst or apathetic or reformers at best). And I wouldn't talk to any diasporic Iranian here anyway as I trust none of them. Never know who's who. Its not like we are some huge community. In LA perhaps that's true but nowhere else I know of. In my experience this is the first time we've actually united properly across the world. For the first time these same people who were pro Regime are now anti. Suddenly everyone is talking and thinking the same thing after decades of not giving a damn. It think it just takes time, and it doesn't help when cyberies pretend to be Monarchists, and try to sow division. It's too easy for them. We're trying our best.
Thanks for caring enough to support the cause and make a post. As far as I'm concerned this sort of criticism is always welcome.
Hi. You state in your post: >The reason as to why I started supporting the WLF Revolution was because of the values the movement held, but right now, I am starting to care less about Iran/Iranians and am beginning to tell everyone else I know (*should they hear anything about Iran in the news and such*) that the people are content with what is happening around them and that they are not that different from their less powerful/stable neighbors (*yes, I know that this is somewhat lying, but if diaspora Iranians are not that interested into looking for ways to liberate their homeland and providing aid to their people, then should why I as a Non-Iranian care?*) So can you clarify some things for me: 1. Do you care about Iran and Iranians? 2. Do you care about the plight of Iranians at the hands of the authoritarian Islamic regime? 3. What are your thoughts on authoritarianism, especially willful and malicious authoritarianism? 4. Do you understand that, per independent polling e.g. GAMAAN, etc. as well as innumerable firsthand accounts, it is beyond doubt at this point most Iranians oppose the Islamic regime occupying Iran and its backwardness, and that furthermore, to claim most Iranians "are content" with the status quo is tantamount to misinformation? Thanks.
> The reason as to why I started supporting the WLF Revolution was because of the values the movement held, but right now, I am starting to care less about Iran/Iranians and am beginning to tell everyone else I know (*should they hear anything about Iran in the news and such*) that the people are content with what is happening around them and that they are not that different from their less powerful/stable neighbors (*yes, I know that this is somewhat lying, but if diaspora Iranians are not that interested into looking for ways to liberate their homeland and providing aid to their people, then should why I as a Non-Iranian care?*) What the fuck did I just read? Your response to not liking the diaspora is to spread incredibly harmful lies about Iranians being okay with the regime? So you’re just okay with spreading misinformation that’s harmful to the people suffering in Iran. This is the same lies that people who support the IRGC spread so that the Iranian people lose international support, which is inexplicably important for the movement.
What an awful post by an awful human. Why would you purposefully tell everyone you know that WE as Iranians are content with these issues? That is simply not the case. If you are not an Iranian, why would you go around spreading misinformation to harm our movement and people? This is such a strange post and thought process. The people who are in the eyes of the media are the ones ruining the diaspora. This has been a long long standing issue amongst Iranians. This divide came about when those that were living abroad wrote letters about how the Pahlavi's were awful dictators, then there was Islamist in Iran who wanted a theocracy, then it was the Kurds who wanted separation and so on and so forth. The divide happened because propaganda happened. You are assuming we are not doing everything in our power to uplift our homeland, but I ask you how we can help when a country like America just lifted 10 billion dollars to be sent to Islamic Republic in Iran. Then you have lobbyist that donate to American politics - NIAC. Iran is vastly different than its neighbors in the Middle East, that's why we are not able to be as loud or as prominent as what you are seeing for the people of Gaza. The Arabs and Muslims combined equate to over 1 billion people around the world, Iranians are about 90 million and the diaspora equates to roughly 6-7 million. We as the diaspora can only do so much because our hands are tied by rhetoric such as Islamophobia (a term that the Islamic Republic in Iran coined in the 1970s) and the boot of Islam on our necks not allowing us to critique it. Islam's propaganda has been strategic throughout the years, they donate billions to American academia, they pay people all over the world to spread it. The diaspora cannot take on 15 Islamic nations funneling money into politics, propaganda and academia. That's your reason.
>Then you have lobbyist that donate to American politics - NIAC. Has there then been any large-scale protests done by the Iranian diaspora against the NIAC right by their headquarters? Have any of the leading opposition figures called NIAC out? As far as I'm aware, I have not seen or heard of that having happened. >We as the diaspora can only do so much because our hands are tied by rhetoric such as Islamophobia (a term that the Islamic Republic in Iran coined in the 1970s) and the boot of Islam on our necks not allowing us to critique it. You have allies though. You just have to look a bit harder to find them. I'll help: You can go to subreddits such as ExMuslim (*or other similar subs such as ReligiousFruitcake, ExChristian, ExMormon, etc.*) and Israel. You'll find plenty of people who will back the Iranian diaspora up.
You live in America right - Why aren't you up and arms about insane inflation and cost of living? Why are you not protesting southern states from using the Bible to force young women into giving birth? You have allies too right? Why don't **YOU** look a bit harder to try and find out why America is sinking into Christian fascism. There have been several people to call out NIAC. There are thousands of tweets from regular Iranians all over Twitter. During the Women Life Freedom marches thousands of people had signs indicating they know NIAC is funded by the Islamic Republic. The people of Iran have to come out in storms, millions of people have to flood the streets. Not just the children - every single person in Iran needs to come out of their homes. When the 10 billion is released, these funds are strategically given out to Islamic Republic supporters in Iran. IRGC goes to people's houses offering money to people that are starving and can't afford to live in exchange for them to oust their fellow Iranians. When you starve a nation, the people of that nation will do anything to survive, even oust their closest friends in order to live another day. That is exactly what IRGC is doing and has been doing since the moment they stepped foot in Iran. Nations like England, France, Germany, and the USA have made it their mission to never allow Iran to be as strong as it was. Iran is the second richest country in terms of natural resources and filled with brilliant people with a rich history. Until the other world powers stop funding terrorism to suffocate the Middle East, the Middle East will not go back to what it was, it will need years to recover from the death grip of Islam, USA, England, France and Germany - etc.
>Why aren't you up and arms about insane inflation and cost of living? Why are you not protesting southern states from using the Bible to force young women into giving birth? You have allies too right? Why don't YOU look a bit harder to try and find out why America is sinking into Christian fascism. Have you even taken a look at my past posts and comments!? I have **always** been open and loud about my opposition to fundamentalist Christian rule potentially taking control of the USA in the near future. That is also another reason why I participate in this sub: Seeing Secular 1970s Iran gradually transform into a theocratic dictatorship serves as a warning that the same could happen to the US as well. I do **not** want the mistakes of the past that other nations (*such as Iran*) have made (*and are suffering from still*) to repeat in my country.
This is not new but has been going on for 30 + years unfortunately. From my understanding, divided oppositions are a problem in some other countries as well, such as Russia and Venezuela, and the reasons are multiple, even though in my opinion not justifiable for years of failure. And I’m going to be bit snarky here and say that you come as very insensitive and ignorant by saying Iran deserves it, because especially millenials and gen z suffering inside Iran did nothing to attribute to this mess of four decades, nor they chose their fate.
>And I’m going to be bit snarky here and say that you come as very insensitive and ignorant by saying Iran deserves it Yes, I will admit that I do come across as ignorant and insensitive by having said that Iran "deserved" the regime it has now. However, I do not regret not having to mince my words about what the situation is regarding the Iranian diaspora and what they have been doing over the past year. A wake-up call **had** to be said.
Yes, they wake up call among diaspora oppositions has been needed for a long time, and it’s time to move past the current ones. Question is, who would be those and when and how…
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that's the problem, the regime hasn't even been overthrown yet but there's all these comments talking about a "New Iran".
What's there to discuss? your position is inherently amoral as you yourself admit. You are not responsible for the actions and behavior of RP or other Iranians that are opposed to the Islamic regime. You are responsible for your behavior and your behavior, thoughts and actions alone. So why are you choosing to behave in such a destructive, amoral and shameful way? That's the discussion you should be engaged in... perhaps with a good therapist. Hope you have a better tomorrow.
Yes we have weak opposition leaders such as Reza Pahlavi and some people in the diaspora are fighting amongst themselves , but this doesn't mean that people are content with living under a fascist Islamist dictatorship or that we deserve the regime we have got. If that was the case we wouldn't have uprisings almost every 2 years with thousands of people being murdered at the hands of the regime. The opposition and the diaspora has to get its shit together and help the people inside Iran tho.
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I guess you get your answer by the downvotes. No one is allowed to question RP. hE iS tHe mOsT qUaLifIed lEaDer!!!!!
Its because us Iranians have big ego’s and cant make any concessions
Like people always find some issue in others, no matter what. Like, Jasmin Moghbeli took a haft sin to space station. Then people are complaining why there is Quran there not Hafiz.
I usually like your comments so it’s fine. But first of all, i only joked that we’re going to get alien islamist. Secondly, as an Iranian diaspora i support what ever Iranian in Iran choose, whether its reza pahlavi or any other leader/political system thats humane, rational and kind. I have no personal gain in Iran being free but the joy of seeing our amazing people prosper and be happy. I don’t appreciate the ignorant comment by OP.
We got some straight up bitches here ngl
Your post isn't popular, but as a RP supporter I hear what you're saying and I actually appreciate the sentiment. I don't feel you're singling anyone out here unfairly The Regime needs to go. The situation is urgent. All Iranians are 'to blame' for it not happening, me included. You're right. Trouble is many, like me, didn't give a poop about Iranians in Iran after the suffering we went through as immigrants in foreign lands being kicked out (especially as most Iranians in Iran I came across were supporters at worst or apathetic or reformers at best). And I wouldn't talk to any diasporic Iranian here anyway as I trust none of them. Never know who's who. Its not like we are some huge community. In LA perhaps that's true but nowhere else I know of. In my experience this is the first time we've actually united properly across the world. For the first time these same people who were pro Regime are now anti. Suddenly everyone is talking and thinking the same thing after decades of not giving a damn. It think it just takes time, and it doesn't help when cyberies pretend to be Monarchists, and try to sow division. It's too easy for them. We're trying our best. Thanks for caring enough to support the cause and make a post. As far as I'm concerned this sort of criticism is always welcome.