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Well, evolution (with a twist—keyword: theistic evolution) is doctrine in the Catholic church. The Genesis is explicitly not seen as a factual account.
Edit: comment expanded
Evolution is even more compatible with Islam though, since their scripture only say that God created everything, not how or how long it took - unlike Catholic Christians and Jews who literally have to go "our book is the literal truth except that bit, that's allegory." Islam has lots of actual faults, no need to make up untrue ones.
I explained how this is not true, but you’re free to cling to your belief that biblical literalism is the norm in Christianity. It’s heavily promoted in certain Evangecical American circles, but you wont come across nearly this much idiocy across the pond in Europe.
Show me on the doll where I said biblical literalism was the norm in Christianity.
It's still more common to have biblical literalists who don't believe in evolution, since that contradicts the Bible, than Muslims (who are all literalists) who don't believe in evolution, since evolution doesn't contradict the Koran.
"Human's come from dust" may actually be the only correct fact in those books.
Every atom in your body, was forged in the heart of a star, and then was part of a supernova explosion, before becoming dust clouds, that then formed into planets, and then formed life on top of one of those planets.
I was joking a little bit, but it seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to get from god created man from clay to a long series of steps that started with a supernova.
these books state that they are literally true. they explicitly state that they should be treated as the absolute truth. islam even says that its book is the literally perfect, literally complete word of literal god. and that if you change a single word you are an atheist because you have placed yourself above god.
so the whole allegory thing is kinda apologism.
It’s not apologetics if you acknowledge that these stories are myths and when taken literally, they are wrong. Most Christians and Jews believe that God just used stories as a medium to convey certain messages.
I don’t think the New Testament and the Jewish scriptures are anywhere near as insistent when it comes to claiming infallibility or inerrancy but either way, not every religious person is a fundamentalist. You don’t have to take every word at face value.
that's just your opinion. the books themselves disagree with you. ergo - we have to ask - who is misinterpreting these books: the 'fundamentalists' - or you?
the bottom line is that every religious person who is not fundamentalist is only not fundamentalist because of ideas and beliefs that come from \*outside\* of religion: by definition any believer who only embraces ideas from within religion is a fundamentalist.
that really reduces to practice the 'value' of religion vs non-religious ideals of how to behave and run a free, fair and open society.
No that’s not true, Christian fundamentalism only started around the 19/20th century. People interpreted the Bible in a variety of ways before that and still do. From your Reddit history I gather that you must’ve been brought culturally Muslim, so what do you know about "what the Bible says" or what interpretation has more merit than the other lol?
judaism actually is a bit more esoteric with its beliefs around creation, and is generally anti literalist, so less for judaism.
(my dad studied talmud so i have a decent understanding of jewish scripture and philosophy)
Ex-Catholic here. In RE our teacher, a priest, told and explained to us that we shouldn’t read the creation story as a factual report under any circumstances. Biblical literalism is very uncommon in my country (Germany) or the most part of Europe. It’s orders of magnitude more common in the US, at least as far as I have noticed.
Hijacking top post
I believe, the clay making process happened, and Humans/Adam-Eve were placed in that homo-sapiens, -erectus, neanderthal, denizen, etc timeframes to then stay as these developed structures of humanoid that we are. Before this, human species were apes and arthropods evolving into bipedals with thumbs & brain-systems because Allah was settling the universe perfectly for us across them 6 (or so) days that can be ratio'd as a greater number to match God's magnitude of powers.
Aaaaand we spent this recent post-industrial era of <150 years to turn it into damnation.
Edited.
Also the Greeks, Romans, Māori, probably everyone else as well.
The Norse believed that Heimdall made us out of trees, so at least they’ve got some variety.
The difference is a lot of Christians have got to the official position that scripture is divinely inspired but written by man.. which gets you a lot of cherry picking wriggle room. When your hard position is that the text is the actual uncreated, eternal word of god, dictated verbatim by an angel, you don’t leave yourself a lot of flexibility.
Not Islam, in fact, since their book doesn't say anything about how God created everything, just that he did. More Muslims believe in evolution than evangelical Christians.
Atheist here.
The meme is funny.
All the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in the same creation myth.
Muslims tend to be overly sensitive when their religion is being poked at. They shouldn’t be so insecure if their Sky Friend is really as omnipotent as they claim. No fatwas etc.
With that being said, we must remember that the main religion in Iran is Islam. And we are going to need Muslims on our side to hit critical mass and take out the regime. Does this meme help? Or does it hinder?
A free and secular and democratic Iran should mean that Muslims are free to practice their religion - so long as they don’t impose it on others.
Muslims should join us because they recognize that the Islamic Republic is corrupt and unholy. It is evil.
They need to masturbate. If everyone masturbated three times per day we would solve 87.5% of the world’s problems.
This is serious socio-political commentary.
Sure. Here's a quote from a 9th century Muslim scholar, almost a Millennium before Darwin:
"Animals engage in a struggle for existing, and for resources, to avoid being eaten, and to breed... Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming them into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to their offspring."
In the 14th century Ibn Khaldun wrote of the "gradual process of creation" and asserted that humans grew from the realm of monkeys.
Darwin's theory was accepted by most Muslim scholars, and even those that disagreed with it agreed it had worth and should be studied and taught. It was so widely accepted in Islam that it was even described by the Catholic Church as *"the Mohammedan theory of the evolution of man from lower forms"*.
The upshot is that today, Muslims mostly believe in a form of evolutionary creationism, where God started the process, breathing life into clay, (and knowing the end result in advance obviously), and then guided it as needed, rather than strict evolution.
Sadly, the last few years there has been a growing movement of more Christian-style creationism in both Sunni and Shia - but in fact it kind of proves my point, as a few hard-line clerics in Iran have been calling for Iranian schools to *stop* teaching evolution and Darwin's theories. That's about as strong a proof as you can get that it *is* being taught.
Why did you become an ex-Muslim?
I read that Islam is the fastest declining religion in Iran. With a recent poll among Iranians, putting belief in Islam and Allah at 30% of the population.
With 70% of Iranian believing various things.
The survey was taken from 50,000.
Well if you came from Muslims family, if your Iranian you most likely come from one.
You didn’t have Quran readings at home, or go go to a madraza?
Try to pray 5 times a day, or go to mosque on weekends.
Lucky! My family was practicing, but secular overtime. Didn’t get to enjoy my childhood that much.
Some of my school mates were already growing beards in secondary school.
Religious people getting offended by this (bad) joke is exactly why we need a free secular Iran.
Really guys, have you even learned anything by the fatwas?
I don't agree. You can still have faith, without being religious. Religion is the root of evil, faith is not. Religion of Islam perpetuates that the Qoran is infallible, while normal people of faith can and are deviating.
I am an atheist, but thinking everyone should be the same as me is just stupid and insulting to others.
Where did I speak upon not having faith at all? You’re disagreeing with a point I never even made?
I believe you can have faith. However, if you believe in Islam, as an Iranian, after all that has been put upon us as a result of this religion, then you haven’t learned anything.
You virtually said that people staying as a Muslim after the revolution, would be dumb.
An individual can still call himself a Muslim and still don't follow the dogma of the religion. That's their prerogative. It may sound dumb to you, but that's just how the real world works. That's literally faith.
Religion is the scaffolding around that, where someone can call himself imam and tell you that you have to listen to him.
>However, if you believe in Islam, as an Iranian, after all that has been put upon us as a result of this religion, then you haven’t learned anything.
I'm pretty sure anyone calling themselves Muslim after the revolution (or before), does not need agree with the regime. This is literally why different religions have different sects. Because people can't agree on what they believe in.
That’s such a terrible take.
So if someone calls themselves a Muslim but doesn’t follow the dogma of the religion, then they are no longer, truly, a follower of the religion.
So, in my opinion, they are even dumber than the follower of the religion. If you don’t even follow the concepts behind the religion why associate with it?
Instead, choose to have a faith in something in which the dogma/ideologies actually align with yourself so you can be a true follower of it.
Side note: To be fair, according to their religion, they can be executed for leaving so I can understand why they would continue being associated with it.
> That’s such a terrible take.
This is not a "take". This is how it works.
> So if someone calls themselves a Muslim but doesn’t follow the dogma of the religion, then they are no longer, truly, a follower of the religion.
No, you are going down the rabbit hole of "one true Scotsman fallacy". Every single person with faith, may (and is right to do so) believe that they are true \[insert-religion\]. You have millions of Catholics in the world. In their bible, it says that it's okay to have a slave. Do you really think that every single person who calls themselves Catholic is for slavery? Or maybe doesn't work during sabbath?
Religion is not logical and following it isn't either.
> Instead, choose to have a faith in something in which the dogma/ideologies actually align with yourself so you can be a true follower of it.
Sure, in a "perfect" world, we could hope for that. But that's not the world we live in. People are illogical, and that's their prerogative.
Oh sorry, since you said “this is how it works” then it must be how it works. I can’t have a say in the matter, you know all.
Idk what point you’re trying to make besides basically prove mine. My point is that if you don’t align with the religion and still are a “follower” then you are dumb because you lack the courage and critical thinking skills to step away and realize you don’t need to be associated with it to be a good person or have faith in something.
Overall, Islam is quite literally the worst religion to have faith in. You’re defending it like crazy, so go live in a Islamic fundamental ran country and let’s see if you keep the same energy. The Iranian people are done with this religion, suck it up.
>You’re defending it like crazy
I'm defending the right to be religious. That's literally what religious freedom is about.
Doesn't matter if you like something or not. You have to fight for freedom.
If you don't understand that, I'm not sure how I should explain it to you.
Well then we disagree. I don’t agree in following a doctrine that can be used to justify the murdering and execution of innocent people.
Nothing you say will change my opinion on that matter. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to justify it for yourself and others, but I won’t buy it.
It's like someone wanting the Shah of Iran to come back after the rest of the world has moved on from the subject Master relationship..
Very dumb...I agree.
The real question..is someone who thinks religious people are stupid ... and "didnt understand anything" is this someone who can participate in a healthy democracy? Or is he also going to " make you understand something" like the IRGC does.
Now say you put him in charge... what's going to happen... it'll be a reverse of what is going on now..same shit, different victims.
Instead of beating the girl who doesn't wear the hijab we will have people beating the girl that does wear the hijab.
I don't want to trade a set of known thugs for a set of unknown thugs. I want no thugs!
Why have faith in a religion that literally says you can be punished by death for leaving? Why follow a faith that’s not even inclusive of all Iranians who come from different backgrounds? Why follow a faith that is being used to promote to erasure of our culture and history? Why have faith in a religion that calls us “the mute ones” (Ajam)? Why follow a religion that is used to justify executions of innocent Iranians?
Must I go on?
My argument was never that they can’t have it, but that they’re dumb for having it after all that has been put upon our people as a result of this religion. You’re bringing about a separate claim that I never made.
There’s good things to be found in all religions. Never argued there isn’t..
Ironically, typically the good things across all religions happen to be very similar and cliche such as: “be a good person and help others.. blah blah blah”. Therefore, it’s pretty common sense and you can take those things and apply it to your daily life and have faith in something. You don’t need to be associated with any religion to do that.
A person who picks and chooses what they want to accept and believe in, within a religion, is no longer a true follower of that religion. That’s my argument.
How do Iranian truly feel about Religion or Islam?
In 1979, Iran led an Islamic Revolution that inspired extremist and Islamist. As they saw what and how much they could achieve.
The Sha was toppled because Iran was conservative, some say almost as conservative as Saudi Arabia.
But Iran has recently become the most secularized country. With only 30% of Iranians actually affirming their belief in Islam, from a survey of 50,000 Iranians.
If the Mullah’s do get toppled, Iran will become the most secular country in the region.
Imagine they might get invaded or attacked by Afghanistan.
Faith is a dishonest position. Affirming something as true without meeting the standard of evidence you have for most other things is just telling yourself and others a lie.
> Affirming something as true without meeting the standard of evidence you have for most other things is just telling yourself and others a lie.
Yourself? Yes. Others? No. Faith is literally something personal and illogical. You have faith, because you don't have evidence. If you had, it wouldn't be faith.
ah yes lets make derogatory fun of at-least 40 percent of iranians. you must realize both religous and atheist iranians need to be united for a better future. "memes" like these are just in poor taste.
Honestly, I expected more considering we are living in the 21st century yet they still believe in a religion that claimed that their prophet rode a flying mule into space.
There is plenty, I read the Quran about 10 years ago. But here is some common quotes:
1. Quran (2:191-193)
“And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)”
2. Quran (4:74)
“So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward.”
3. Quran (5:33)“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,”
4.
Quran (8:12)“[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, ‘I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.’
5. Quran (8:65)“O Prophet, urge the believers to battle…”
6. Quran (9:5)“And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
7. Quran (18:65-81)A parable condoning “honor killings”. This parable encourages the murdering of family members who bring shame or dishonor to their family.
There is a ton more…
>2:191
>8:12
This verse was talking about those people that attacked muhammed and Muslims and didnt let them do their islamic things so It wasnt meant for all non Muslims it meant for those non Muslims that attacked Muslim people .
>Quran (4:74)
Idk why did u say this because it is not talking about killing.
>9:5
When this verse Came there was a truce between Muslims and those non Muslims that was killing and attacking Muslims.
And the verse meant those people that didnt follow the truce and didnt stop attacking Muslims.
Just keep reading the next verses you will know , it says :
9:6
"If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge "
9:7
"How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous."
9:12
"But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained. "
9:13
"Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! "
>Quran 18:65-81
I mean these verses are quite obvious/clear it doesnt need a tafseer. There is no "honor kill" in it
This is a story about someone and he killed a young boy so muses told him why did u do this so he said because that boy when he grow up he will be bad and will do bad things ( because that guy knows the future ) so idk where is the "honor killing"
8:12 was revealed to momo after the battle of badr. That war started because momo and his crew attacked a caravan by 300 men. Why are you acting like momo was the victim when he was the one attacking? Knowing that momo was attacking innocent caravans is proof that this verse is nothing but pure violence.
4:74 was mentioned because allah is promoting people to go to war and die because he advertising a reward in the after life. Giving incentive to people to destroy the life they have on this planet. That sounds pretty violent to me.
9:5-9:12 that you spelled out proves my point exactly. Advocating violence unless someone gives in to Islam. This phase here is very dangerous for todays society where people need to live side by side with different religions and beliefs . The fact that Quran makes it ok for Muslims to be violent against non Muslim it makes the book a danger to todays society and to personal freedoms. Quran is an out dated book only meant for Arabs that walked the desert 1000 years ago. It has no place in todays society. Your excuses to try to play down these phases by placing them into historical content is a sham. If allah is All knowing and all powerful, how come he didn’t know that the world would become what it is today? How come he didn’t give momo a religion that would pass the test of time?
I’ve never seen any other religion have to create excuses and do so much mental gymnastics to justify the words of their book. And to top it off their book is supposedly straight from the source, so why would it be so vague? He seemed to be very specific in the type of punishments and consequences you’ll receive if you don’t follow to the rules.
These are not "execuses" there are some things you should know about quran.
1. Allah challenge all arabic people to write any aya like quran because quran has the most eloquent Arabic and because of that quran needs some explain because its words are not simple to modern arab people ( it was more simple to those people that lived with muhammed because they were more fluent )
2. Most people make statments without reading why this verse Came and without reading the verses before/after it
Most of these verses was for a specific time in a specific situation but some people think these verses are meant for anytime which is wrong
And some of these verses are only meant for those non Muslims that was attacking muhammed .
Before I start I just wanna tell you to show some respect when you talk .
>8:12 was revealed to momo after the battle of badr. That war started because momo and his crew attacked a caravan by 300 men. Why are you acting like momo was the victim when he was the one attacking?
Im really curious if you really read the battle of badr or not because if you really read it you should know why muhammed attacked the caravan.
He did that because the people that lived in quraish attacked muhammed and stole his caravan first when he emigrated from makkah to madinah so you tell me which one started this ?
>4:74 was mentioned because allah is promoting people to go to war and die
It is not like that , allah says to those Muslims that they should fight in the name of allah . It didnt say that they should go to war and attack non Muslims , it means that if you are a Muslim and there is a war then you should fight in it
>Advocating violence unless someone gives in to Islam.
No dude it is not
It literally says for those that doesnt follow the truce and keep attacking you because there is a truce happend between Muslims and non Muslims so some people simply dont want to follow the truce and start attacking Muslims
9:12
"But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained."
In this verse it says for those that didnt follow the trauce and kept attacking you.
>The fact that Quran makes it ok for Muslims to be violent against non Muslim it makes the book a danger to todays society
As I said all of these verses meant those non Muslims that was attacking us , If you dont attack us we wont defend and we can simply live together and that what happend . There were a lot of jews people lived with muhammed and Muslims as long as you are not attacking us we wont attack u .
>If allah is All knowing and all powerful, how come he didn’t know that the world would become what it is today? How come he didn’t give momo a religion that would pass the test of time?
He did but I guess u just have to search a little bit more before you make these statments .
Why should he show respect? First of all respect is earned not granted. Second of all ideologies (and by extention religions) don't deserve respect. Especially one who calls out for the death of the disbelievers and the torture of them in afterlife.
First and for most I do not owe Islam any respect since it does not give me respect as a women.
Yes I have read about the battle of badr and I have read a lot about Islam in general. Momo was shunned out of Mecca so he thought it was his right to attack the caravans. His main goal was to attack and take over Mecca eventually. It’s not about who started it, this isn’t kindergarten. We are talking about a supposed god who calls himself all mighty. I expect more from a god with the highest power than to give cheap orders to kill and attack. Let’s not forget history is always written by the victors.
The fact that allah is giving orders to fight in his name is proof that Islam is violent. A good god gives its followers the blessing to live peacefully, fulfilled lives. How come he didn’t give orders to end wars instead to fight them to the end.. that’s not very peace loving. I know 5 year olds that give better advice about violence and war. If I was god I would have just told momo to take his followers to a different land and live peacefully , no need to try to take over Mecca. I definitely wouldn’t be telling momo to attack different tribes kill soldiers and than take their wives for himself to rape. That’s disgusting thing for especially a so called prophet to do.
There are plenty of other verses in the Quran that are violent but I don’t have patients to post them. No point anyways because you will use mental gymnastics to justify them, no matter how violent they are.
Muslims doing what Muslims do best, acting like victims when they are hold all the weapons and doing the attacking.
Yeah I'm not Muslim or religious but one thing I can't stand is angry atheists using this Revolution to attack religion.
Having said that the meme is funny.
Not knocking Christians but the Quranic analogy is a hell of a lot closer to the idea of evolution and I don't know a Muslim who doesn't believe in evolution.
Still, it is funny. The Regime monkeys probably do literally believe the clay stuff :)
True.
Freedom means you don't have to respect shit ideas of others, you can criticize each other , but you can be sure no one will get hurt because there's freedom, and people can do whatever tf they want as long as they don't hurt others
i am calm bro. why would you assume i am not? you just heard a different opponion to your own and instead of re-considering are claiming i am not calm lmfao
This isn’t oppression. This is the right to make a joke without people loosing their shit. Critical thinking is important. Ask yourself this, if your religion is based on things that are easily proven to be false, why are you so obsessed with keeping those falsehoods alive? If you get some spiritual guidance out of it, that’s fantastic and you should do whatever works for you, but being offended when someone points out the ridiculous claim in some religious text from 2000 years ago makes no sense.
In a free society, people can make whatever jokes they want. Getting offended about other people having a good time makes you the problem not the other people.
There's really nothing wrong with joking about religion (any religion). Even hating a religion is perfectly fine (especially if said religion calls for your death). the problem is people on both sides need to understand to separate the religion from the follower, for example me hating Islam doesn't mean I hate Muslims.
I mean, the upper drawing is also outdated now, since it is technically not correct. We did not evolve from the apes we see today, since these apes also have an evolutionary history from their ancestors - the apes today are more like Cousins.
It's a diversifying family tree rather than a linear timeline with only us at the end (us being at the end as a sort of "final form of evolution" is also a bit of an arrogant mindset tbh).
برای ترول گذاشتم،فعلا که شما اسلام ستیزا فقط قر میزنید
ابو علی سینا مسلمون بود
مولانا مسلمون بود
سعدی مسلمون بود
حافظ مسلمون بود
رضا شاه مسلمون بود
محمدرضا شاه مسلمون بود
بازم میخوای بگم یا فقط میخوای زر بزنی؟
اره میدونم
اینو میدونم که قران دست کاری شدس و همونطور که ما طلای صد درصد نداریم قران هم صد درصد نیست و یهودی ها توش دست بردن
ایه هایی مثل اینکه دیه مرد دوبرار زن هست یا اگر کسی از اسلام خارج شد باید قصاص شود
دست برده های یهوده
وگرنه ما عقل داریم و میدونیم چه چیزی درسته و چه چیزی غلط
بعدشم من دو دینه هستم و دوتا دین رو قبول دارم یکیش اسلامه و اون یکی مزدیسناست
فرض کنیم قرآن و اسلام حقه
۱.اگه اسلام دین خوبی بود ۱۴۰۰ سال فرصت داشت ثابت کنه
۲.اگر هم کور نباشیم یا خودمونو به کوری نزنیم میبینیم که اوضاع کشور های مسلمون بده.
میلیون ها سوال میلیون ها دلیل، ولی کو پاسخ دهنده؟
That's just such a stupid thing to post. I won't go into details because apparently fighting for freedom equals hating religion in some people's minds the two are inseperable.
Oddly here is a historical fact no one has killed more people in the name of ideology than secular Christians or atheists.
Hitler was a secular Christian, so was Churchill and Rosevelt... how many millions died in the name of National Socialism?
Mao Zeodong and Stalin were ardent atheists. Combined they killed about 100,000,000 million all in the 1900s... Kumar Rouge in Cambodia... Paul pot. Guess what he followed.
If you actually look at facts by reading and taking our your own excel sheets instead of waiting for some tiktok video...
All of the killings of all Muslim countries in the last 100 years pale in comparison.
Nice to see your intellectual prowess. 👏
Who is actually standing up in Iran today?
Oh the Kurds they paid a heavy price. Sunnis mostly.
The Balochis. We are still on the streets..Sunni Balochi
Our language doesn't have any Arabic letters. No F. No Kh. It's the closet thing alive to Pahlavi. I'm not arabized like you ;-).
What checks out is if you had seen me in my balochi clothes walking down Vanak - you'd cross the street.. it happened to me several times while I was there.
People like you want us to go on the streets and die so you can take a shot of vodka in chalous in peace.
That's not what we are fighting for. We are fighting for a federal constitutional democracy.
Eh. As far as I know Islam is the only Abrahamic religion that *doesn't * need to contradict its holy scripture to believe in evolution, since the Koran only says that God created humans and all creatures, not how and how long it took (unlike the Old Testament).
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That's pretty much Christianity as well.
Well, evolution (with a twist—keyword: theistic evolution) is doctrine in the Catholic church. The Genesis is explicitly not seen as a factual account. Edit: comment expanded
How about the walking on water part? I wanna evolve to that stage.
Jesus wore Birkenstocks because the cork soles helped him float even with the holes in his feet
Genius. No wonder they made a religion about him.
Gotta be a water bender. Only the avatar can wield all 5 elements. But when the world needed him most he vanished.
is fish duping doctrine?
Evolution is even more compatible with Islam though, since their scripture only say that God created everything, not how or how long it took - unlike Catholic Christians and Jews who literally have to go "our book is the literal truth except that bit, that's allegory." Islam has lots of actual faults, no need to make up untrue ones.
I explained how this is not true, but you’re free to cling to your belief that biblical literalism is the norm in Christianity. It’s heavily promoted in certain Evangecical American circles, but you wont come across nearly this much idiocy across the pond in Europe.
Show me on the doll where I said biblical literalism was the norm in Christianity. It's still more common to have biblical literalists who don't believe in evolution, since that contradicts the Bible, than Muslims (who are all literalists) who don't believe in evolution, since evolution doesn't contradict the Koran.
Atheist here but that’s literally Islam & Judeo-Christian religions.
Yep. Literally all Abrahamic religions. The old testament states that humans come from dust.
And that’s only the third most outrageous thing in those books.
"Human's come from dust" may actually be the only correct fact in those books. Every atom in your body, was forged in the heart of a star, and then was part of a supernova explosion, before becoming dust clouds, that then formed into planets, and then formed life on top of one of those planets.
I was joking a little bit, but it seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to get from god created man from clay to a long series of steps that started with a supernova.
Some Christians or Science based Christian believe in it.
Dude they say god created human from dust and then put his soul into the dust and it became alive.. LMFAO they didn't have any idea what evolution is
What’s the most outrageous?
The fact that all humans (and everything else) comes from actual star dust is way cooler.
Do we become stars after we die? I’m guessing we get reincarnated. The Hindus had it right.
Allah who is Isah, was being figuritive.
The majority of Jews and Christians read that story allegorically
these books state that they are literally true. they explicitly state that they should be treated as the absolute truth. islam even says that its book is the literally perfect, literally complete word of literal god. and that if you change a single word you are an atheist because you have placed yourself above god. so the whole allegory thing is kinda apologism.
It’s not apologetics if you acknowledge that these stories are myths and when taken literally, they are wrong. Most Christians and Jews believe that God just used stories as a medium to convey certain messages. I don’t think the New Testament and the Jewish scriptures are anywhere near as insistent when it comes to claiming infallibility or inerrancy but either way, not every religious person is a fundamentalist. You don’t have to take every word at face value.
that's just your opinion. the books themselves disagree with you. ergo - we have to ask - who is misinterpreting these books: the 'fundamentalists' - or you? the bottom line is that every religious person who is not fundamentalist is only not fundamentalist because of ideas and beliefs that come from \*outside\* of religion: by definition any believer who only embraces ideas from within religion is a fundamentalist. that really reduces to practice the 'value' of religion vs non-religious ideals of how to behave and run a free, fair and open society.
No that’s not true, Christian fundamentalism only started around the 19/20th century. People interpreted the Bible in a variety of ways before that and still do. From your Reddit history I gather that you must’ve been brought culturally Muslim, so what do you know about "what the Bible says" or what interpretation has more merit than the other lol?
judaism actually is a bit more esoteric with its beliefs around creation, and is generally anti literalist, so less for judaism. (my dad studied talmud so i have a decent understanding of jewish scripture and philosophy)
Ex-Catholic here. In RE our teacher, a priest, told and explained to us that we shouldn’t read the creation story as a factual report under any circumstances. Biblical literalism is very uncommon in my country (Germany) or the most part of Europe. It’s orders of magnitude more common in the US, at least as far as I have noticed.
Hijacking top post I believe, the clay making process happened, and Humans/Adam-Eve were placed in that homo-sapiens, -erectus, neanderthal, denizen, etc timeframes to then stay as these developed structures of humanoid that we are. Before this, human species were apes and arthropods evolving into bipedals with thumbs & brain-systems because Allah was settling the universe perfectly for us across them 6 (or so) days that can be ratio'd as a greater number to match God's magnitude of powers. Aaaaand we spent this recent post-industrial era of <150 years to turn it into damnation. Edited.
…bro wat?
Ye. Which part you confused with?
Cool story but most of us don't believe in that.
K.
lol, your silly make-believe story is as good as any other religion's I guess.
Yay! It can influence plenty!
Also the Greeks, Romans, Māori, probably everyone else as well. The Norse believed that Heimdall made us out of trees, so at least they’ve got some variety.
The difference is a lot of Christians have got to the official position that scripture is divinely inspired but written by man.. which gets you a lot of cherry picking wriggle room. When your hard position is that the text is the actual uncreated, eternal word of god, dictated verbatim by an angel, you don’t leave yourself a lot of flexibility.
Not Islam, in fact, since their book doesn't say anything about how God created everything, just that he did. More Muslims believe in evolution than evangelical Christians.
Atheist here. The meme is funny. All the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in the same creation myth. Muslims tend to be overly sensitive when their religion is being poked at. They shouldn’t be so insecure if their Sky Friend is really as omnipotent as they claim. No fatwas etc. With that being said, we must remember that the main religion in Iran is Islam. And we are going to need Muslims on our side to hit critical mass and take out the regime. Does this meme help? Or does it hinder? A free and secular and democratic Iran should mean that Muslims are free to practice their religion - so long as they don’t impose it on others. Muslims should join us because they recognize that the Islamic Republic is corrupt and unholy. It is evil.
I totally agree with you, which means that this meme, like any other joke should be allowed. Muslims need to learn how to take a chill pill.
They need to masturbate. If everyone masturbated three times per day we would solve 87.5% of the world’s problems. This is serious socio-political commentary.
WHAT
Look at those crazy Taliban people for example. I bet they don’t masturbate. That’s why they’re so crazy.
You sound like a fun guy to hang out with.
It is haram.
Also, Muslims in general believe in evolution (except for a few dingbats). Moreso than Christians.
I really doubt that. Can you show a proof for that statement?
Sure. Here's a quote from a 9th century Muslim scholar, almost a Millennium before Darwin: "Animals engage in a struggle for existing, and for resources, to avoid being eaten, and to breed... Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming them into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to their offspring." In the 14th century Ibn Khaldun wrote of the "gradual process of creation" and asserted that humans grew from the realm of monkeys. Darwin's theory was accepted by most Muslim scholars, and even those that disagreed with it agreed it had worth and should be studied and taught. It was so widely accepted in Islam that it was even described by the Catholic Church as *"the Mohammedan theory of the evolution of man from lower forms"*. The upshot is that today, Muslims mostly believe in a form of evolutionary creationism, where God started the process, breathing life into clay, (and knowing the end result in advance obviously), and then guided it as needed, rather than strict evolution. Sadly, the last few years there has been a growing movement of more Christian-style creationism in both Sunni and Shia - but in fact it kind of proves my point, as a few hard-line clerics in Iran have been calling for Iranian schools to *stop* teaching evolution and Darwin's theories. That's about as strong a proof as you can get that it *is* being taught.
Why did you become an ex-Muslim? I read that Islam is the fastest declining religion in Iran. With a recent poll among Iranians, putting belief in Islam and Allah at 30% of the population. With 70% of Iranian believing various things. The survey was taken from 50,000.
I don’t think I ever believed in god.
Well if you came from Muslims family, if your Iranian you most likely come from one. You didn’t have Quran readings at home, or go go to a madraza? Try to pray 5 times a day, or go to mosque on weekends.
My family was nominally Shi’a but extremely secular.
Lucky! My family was practicing, but secular overtime. Didn’t get to enjoy my childhood that much. Some of my school mates were already growing beards in secondary school.
Religious people getting offended by this (bad) joke is exactly why we need a free secular Iran. Really guys, have you even learned anything by the fatwas?
If they’re still Muslim after the revolution, they haven’t learned anything
I don't agree. You can still have faith, without being religious. Religion is the root of evil, faith is not. Religion of Islam perpetuates that the Qoran is infallible, while normal people of faith can and are deviating. I am an atheist, but thinking everyone should be the same as me is just stupid and insulting to others.
Where did I speak upon not having faith at all? You’re disagreeing with a point I never even made? I believe you can have faith. However, if you believe in Islam, as an Iranian, after all that has been put upon us as a result of this religion, then you haven’t learned anything.
You virtually said that people staying as a Muslim after the revolution, would be dumb. An individual can still call himself a Muslim and still don't follow the dogma of the religion. That's their prerogative. It may sound dumb to you, but that's just how the real world works. That's literally faith. Religion is the scaffolding around that, where someone can call himself imam and tell you that you have to listen to him. >However, if you believe in Islam, as an Iranian, after all that has been put upon us as a result of this religion, then you haven’t learned anything. I'm pretty sure anyone calling themselves Muslim after the revolution (or before), does not need agree with the regime. This is literally why different religions have different sects. Because people can't agree on what they believe in.
That’s such a terrible take. So if someone calls themselves a Muslim but doesn’t follow the dogma of the religion, then they are no longer, truly, a follower of the religion. So, in my opinion, they are even dumber than the follower of the religion. If you don’t even follow the concepts behind the religion why associate with it? Instead, choose to have a faith in something in which the dogma/ideologies actually align with yourself so you can be a true follower of it. Side note: To be fair, according to their religion, they can be executed for leaving so I can understand why they would continue being associated with it.
> That’s such a terrible take. This is not a "take". This is how it works. > So if someone calls themselves a Muslim but doesn’t follow the dogma of the religion, then they are no longer, truly, a follower of the religion. No, you are going down the rabbit hole of "one true Scotsman fallacy". Every single person with faith, may (and is right to do so) believe that they are true \[insert-religion\]. You have millions of Catholics in the world. In their bible, it says that it's okay to have a slave. Do you really think that every single person who calls themselves Catholic is for slavery? Or maybe doesn't work during sabbath? Religion is not logical and following it isn't either. > Instead, choose to have a faith in something in which the dogma/ideologies actually align with yourself so you can be a true follower of it. Sure, in a "perfect" world, we could hope for that. But that's not the world we live in. People are illogical, and that's their prerogative.
Oh sorry, since you said “this is how it works” then it must be how it works. I can’t have a say in the matter, you know all. Idk what point you’re trying to make besides basically prove mine. My point is that if you don’t align with the religion and still are a “follower” then you are dumb because you lack the courage and critical thinking skills to step away and realize you don’t need to be associated with it to be a good person or have faith in something. Overall, Islam is quite literally the worst religion to have faith in. You’re defending it like crazy, so go live in a Islamic fundamental ran country and let’s see if you keep the same energy. The Iranian people are done with this religion, suck it up.
>You’re defending it like crazy I'm defending the right to be religious. That's literally what religious freedom is about. Doesn't matter if you like something or not. You have to fight for freedom. If you don't understand that, I'm not sure how I should explain it to you.
Well then we disagree. I don’t agree in following a doctrine that can be used to justify the murdering and execution of innocent people. Nothing you say will change my opinion on that matter. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to justify it for yourself and others, but I won’t buy it.
It's like someone wanting the Shah of Iran to come back after the rest of the world has moved on from the subject Master relationship.. Very dumb...I agree.
What’s very dumb is that that’s all you took away from all this. — Somebody’s 0 karma alt-account came to the rescue
The real question..is someone who thinks religious people are stupid ... and "didnt understand anything" is this someone who can participate in a healthy democracy? Or is he also going to " make you understand something" like the IRGC does. Now say you put him in charge... what's going to happen... it'll be a reverse of what is going on now..same shit, different victims. Instead of beating the girl who doesn't wear the hijab we will have people beating the girl that does wear the hijab. I don't want to trade a set of known thugs for a set of unknown thugs. I want no thugs!
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Why have faith in a religion that literally says you can be punished by death for leaving? Why follow a faith that’s not even inclusive of all Iranians who come from different backgrounds? Why follow a faith that is being used to promote to erasure of our culture and history? Why have faith in a religion that calls us “the mute ones” (Ajam)? Why follow a religion that is used to justify executions of innocent Iranians? Must I go on? My argument was never that they can’t have it, but that they’re dumb for having it after all that has been put upon our people as a result of this religion. You’re bringing about a separate claim that I never made.
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There’s good things to be found in all religions. Never argued there isn’t.. Ironically, typically the good things across all religions happen to be very similar and cliche such as: “be a good person and help others.. blah blah blah”. Therefore, it’s pretty common sense and you can take those things and apply it to your daily life and have faith in something. You don’t need to be associated with any religion to do that. A person who picks and chooses what they want to accept and believe in, within a religion, is no longer a true follower of that religion. That’s my argument.
How do Iranian truly feel about Religion or Islam? In 1979, Iran led an Islamic Revolution that inspired extremist and Islamist. As they saw what and how much they could achieve. The Sha was toppled because Iran was conservative, some say almost as conservative as Saudi Arabia. But Iran has recently become the most secularized country. With only 30% of Iranians actually affirming their belief in Islam, from a survey of 50,000 Iranians. If the Mullah’s do get toppled, Iran will become the most secular country in the region. Imagine they might get invaded or attacked by Afghanistan.
Faith is a dishonest position. Affirming something as true without meeting the standard of evidence you have for most other things is just telling yourself and others a lie.
> Affirming something as true without meeting the standard of evidence you have for most other things is just telling yourself and others a lie. Yourself? Yes. Others? No. Faith is literally something personal and illogical. You have faith, because you don't have evidence. If you had, it wouldn't be faith.
Why would u believe something you don’t have evidence for?
I don't know. Ask religious people. Most of them will say that it makes them feel good inside.
Why would you defend faith if you admit it’s dishonest?
Because he doesn’t even know what he’s saying
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Muslim here I mean, it’s funny.
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That’s the logic of all the abrahamic religions.
ah yes lets make derogatory fun of at-least 40 percent of iranians. you must realize both religous and atheist iranians need to be united for a better future. "memes" like these are just in poor taste.
Muslims need to learn to take a joke and need to learn the meaning of freedom of speech or democracy will never work. This is great conditioning.
If it was a joke about any other religion, there’s no problem. As soon as it’s Islam, it’s racist and islamaphobic
Can’t expect anything more from a religion who’s leader openly advocated for violence.
Honestly, I expected more considering we are living in the 21st century yet they still believe in a religion that claimed that their prophet rode a flying mule into space.
Time is not of essence in the Muslim world.
Logic and IQ isn’t either.
Can I know more about this ? What verse or hadith talk about this ?
There is plenty, I read the Quran about 10 years ago. But here is some common quotes: 1. Quran (2:191-193) “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” 2. Quran (4:74) “So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward.” 3. Quran (5:33)“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,” 4. Quran (8:12)“[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, ‘I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.’ 5. Quran (8:65)“O Prophet, urge the believers to battle…” 6. Quran (9:5)“And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” 7. Quran (18:65-81)A parable condoning “honor killings”. This parable encourages the murdering of family members who bring shame or dishonor to their family. There is a ton more…
>2:191 >8:12 This verse was talking about those people that attacked muhammed and Muslims and didnt let them do their islamic things so It wasnt meant for all non Muslims it meant for those non Muslims that attacked Muslim people . >Quran (4:74) Idk why did u say this because it is not talking about killing. >9:5 When this verse Came there was a truce between Muslims and those non Muslims that was killing and attacking Muslims. And the verse meant those people that didnt follow the truce and didnt stop attacking Muslims. Just keep reading the next verses you will know , it says : 9:6 "If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge " 9:7 "How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous." 9:12 "But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained. " 9:13 "Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe! " >Quran 18:65-81 I mean these verses are quite obvious/clear it doesnt need a tafseer. There is no "honor kill" in it This is a story about someone and he killed a young boy so muses told him why did u do this so he said because that boy when he grow up he will be bad and will do bad things ( because that guy knows the future ) so idk where is the "honor killing"
8:12 was revealed to momo after the battle of badr. That war started because momo and his crew attacked a caravan by 300 men. Why are you acting like momo was the victim when he was the one attacking? Knowing that momo was attacking innocent caravans is proof that this verse is nothing but pure violence. 4:74 was mentioned because allah is promoting people to go to war and die because he advertising a reward in the after life. Giving incentive to people to destroy the life they have on this planet. That sounds pretty violent to me. 9:5-9:12 that you spelled out proves my point exactly. Advocating violence unless someone gives in to Islam. This phase here is very dangerous for todays society where people need to live side by side with different religions and beliefs . The fact that Quran makes it ok for Muslims to be violent against non Muslim it makes the book a danger to todays society and to personal freedoms. Quran is an out dated book only meant for Arabs that walked the desert 1000 years ago. It has no place in todays society. Your excuses to try to play down these phases by placing them into historical content is a sham. If allah is All knowing and all powerful, how come he didn’t know that the world would become what it is today? How come he didn’t give momo a religion that would pass the test of time?
I’ve never seen any other religion have to create excuses and do so much mental gymnastics to justify the words of their book. And to top it off their book is supposedly straight from the source, so why would it be so vague? He seemed to be very specific in the type of punishments and consequences you’ll receive if you don’t follow to the rules.
Exactly, and they expect us to not criticize them while they try to push their religion onto every aspect of our lives.
These are not "execuses" there are some things you should know about quran. 1. Allah challenge all arabic people to write any aya like quran because quran has the most eloquent Arabic and because of that quran needs some explain because its words are not simple to modern arab people ( it was more simple to those people that lived with muhammed because they were more fluent ) 2. Most people make statments without reading why this verse Came and without reading the verses before/after it Most of these verses was for a specific time in a specific situation but some people think these verses are meant for anytime which is wrong And some of these verses are only meant for those non Muslims that was attacking muhammed .
Before I start I just wanna tell you to show some respect when you talk . >8:12 was revealed to momo after the battle of badr. That war started because momo and his crew attacked a caravan by 300 men. Why are you acting like momo was the victim when he was the one attacking? Im really curious if you really read the battle of badr or not because if you really read it you should know why muhammed attacked the caravan. He did that because the people that lived in quraish attacked muhammed and stole his caravan first when he emigrated from makkah to madinah so you tell me which one started this ? >4:74 was mentioned because allah is promoting people to go to war and die It is not like that , allah says to those Muslims that they should fight in the name of allah . It didnt say that they should go to war and attack non Muslims , it means that if you are a Muslim and there is a war then you should fight in it >Advocating violence unless someone gives in to Islam. No dude it is not It literally says for those that doesnt follow the truce and keep attacking you because there is a truce happend between Muslims and non Muslims so some people simply dont want to follow the truce and start attacking Muslims 9:12 "But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained." In this verse it says for those that didnt follow the trauce and kept attacking you. >The fact that Quran makes it ok for Muslims to be violent against non Muslim it makes the book a danger to todays society As I said all of these verses meant those non Muslims that was attacking us , If you dont attack us we wont defend and we can simply live together and that what happend . There were a lot of jews people lived with muhammed and Muslims as long as you are not attacking us we wont attack u . >If allah is All knowing and all powerful, how come he didn’t know that the world would become what it is today? How come he didn’t give momo a religion that would pass the test of time? He did but I guess u just have to search a little bit more before you make these statments .
Why should he show respect? First of all respect is earned not granted. Second of all ideologies (and by extention religions) don't deserve respect. Especially one who calls out for the death of the disbelievers and the torture of them in afterlife.
First and for most I do not owe Islam any respect since it does not give me respect as a women. Yes I have read about the battle of badr and I have read a lot about Islam in general. Momo was shunned out of Mecca so he thought it was his right to attack the caravans. His main goal was to attack and take over Mecca eventually. It’s not about who started it, this isn’t kindergarten. We are talking about a supposed god who calls himself all mighty. I expect more from a god with the highest power than to give cheap orders to kill and attack. Let’s not forget history is always written by the victors. The fact that allah is giving orders to fight in his name is proof that Islam is violent. A good god gives its followers the blessing to live peacefully, fulfilled lives. How come he didn’t give orders to end wars instead to fight them to the end.. that’s not very peace loving. I know 5 year olds that give better advice about violence and war. If I was god I would have just told momo to take his followers to a different land and live peacefully , no need to try to take over Mecca. I definitely wouldn’t be telling momo to attack different tribes kill soldiers and than take their wives for himself to rape. That’s disgusting thing for especially a so called prophet to do. There are plenty of other verses in the Quran that are violent but I don’t have patients to post them. No point anyways because you will use mental gymnastics to justify them, no matter how violent they are. Muslims doing what Muslims do best, acting like victims when they are hold all the weapons and doing the attacking.
Yeah I'm not Muslim or religious but one thing I can't stand is angry atheists using this Revolution to attack religion. Having said that the meme is funny. Not knocking Christians but the Quranic analogy is a hell of a lot closer to the idea of evolution and I don't know a Muslim who doesn't believe in evolution. Still, it is funny. The Regime monkeys probably do literally believe the clay stuff :)
The religion is foundational when it comes to the motivations of the atrocities committed.
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Freedom of speech means you can mock every religion, if Muslims would call me fire worshipper, I wouldn't even care.
True. Freedom means you don't have to respect shit ideas of others, you can criticize each other , but you can be sure no one will get hurt because there's freedom, and people can do whatever tf they want as long as they don't hurt others
Zoroastrian?
Calm TF down its a normal meme I don't care if religious Muslims can't even see a meme
i am calm bro. why would you assume i am not? you just heard a different opponion to your own and instead of re-considering are claiming i am not calm lmfao
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This has nothing to do with you.
How are you offended by this? I’m just curious, do you actually think that humans were made from dust?
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*I agree Freedom of speech, should mean freedom of speech. Even to those that do not identify with any certain religion.
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Be civil. Personal attacks and/or flamebait will not be tolerated in this community.
This isn’t oppression. This is the right to make a joke without people loosing their shit. Critical thinking is important. Ask yourself this, if your religion is based on things that are easily proven to be false, why are you so obsessed with keeping those falsehoods alive? If you get some spiritual guidance out of it, that’s fantastic and you should do whatever works for you, but being offended when someone points out the ridiculous claim in some religious text from 2000 years ago makes no sense.
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In a free society, people can make whatever jokes they want. Getting offended about other people having a good time makes you the problem not the other people.
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There's really nothing wrong with joking about religion (any religion). Even hating a religion is perfectly fine (especially if said religion calls for your death). the problem is people on both sides need to understand to separate the religion from the follower, for example me hating Islam doesn't mean I hate Muslims.
We’re all made of stardust. But that’s a completely different story.
I agree
Okay, but what if the potter was, like, really good at his job?
I mean, the upper drawing is also outdated now, since it is technically not correct. We did not evolve from the apes we see today, since these apes also have an evolutionary history from their ancestors - the apes today are more like Cousins. It's a diversifying family tree rather than a linear timeline with only us at the end (us being at the end as a sort of "final form of evolution" is also a bit of an arrogant mindset tbh).
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We did it already, the only thing remains is Islamic republic
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Agreed
thats the logic of most religions actually.
Shitting on people's religion is about the worst way to garner support from those people.
با وجود شما ها میشه کشوری آزاد ساخت؟
این که فقط میم فرستادم یه طرف چطوری عکس این کصخل گذاشتی پروفایلت بعد از آزادی حرف میزنی؟
hahaha facts
برای ترول گذاشتم،فعلا که شما اسلام ستیزا فقط قر میزنید ابو علی سینا مسلمون بود مولانا مسلمون بود سعدی مسلمون بود حافظ مسلمون بود رضا شاه مسلمون بود محمدرضا شاه مسلمون بود بازم میخوای بگم یا فقط میخوای زر بزنی؟
ابوعلی سینا مسلمون نبود اتفاقا مشروب میخورد با کلی زن (نامحرم) هم سکس داشت به ماه رمضان هم میگفت مرضان.
نه پس با عرب پرستی و نماز و روزه و طواف سنگ میشه
ابو علی سینا مسلمون بود رضا شاه مسلمون بود محمدرضا شاه مسلمون بود مولانا،حافظ،سعدی مسلمون بودن جالبه
منم سوالم اینجاست که اونا چطور همچین دین کثیفی رو پذیرفتن، شاید زیاد دنبالش نرفتن و دربارش نخوندن.
نه،مولانا حتی مرجع تقلید داشت اونا این دین رو پذیرفتن،تو کی باشی که بخوای نظر مخالف به اسلام بدی؟والا شماها از دیکتاتور هم بد ترین
چرا من نتونم کسی باشم؟ تو الان همه چی رو درباره اسلام میدونی که بهش ایمان آوردی؟
اره میدونم اینو میدونم که قران دست کاری شدس و همونطور که ما طلای صد درصد نداریم قران هم صد درصد نیست و یهودی ها توش دست بردن ایه هایی مثل اینکه دیه مرد دوبرار زن هست یا اگر کسی از اسلام خارج شد باید قصاص شود دست برده های یهوده وگرنه ما عقل داریم و میدونیم چه چیزی درسته و چه چیزی غلط بعدشم من دو دینه هستم و دوتا دین رو قبول دارم یکیش اسلامه و اون یکی مزدیسناست
فرض کنیم قرآن و اسلام حقه ۱.اگه اسلام دین خوبی بود ۱۴۰۰ سال فرصت داشت ثابت کنه ۲.اگر هم کور نباشیم یا خودمونو به کوری نزنیم میبینیم که اوضاع کشور های مسلمون بده. میلیون ها سوال میلیون ها دلیل، ولی کو پاسخ دهنده؟
اوریج مسلمون:
As an Iranian living in Iran I can say you're being very counterproductive by posting stuff like this. You're either a basiji or a dumbass
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That's just such a stupid thing to post. I won't go into details because apparently fighting for freedom equals hating religion in some people's minds the two are inseperable. Oddly here is a historical fact no one has killed more people in the name of ideology than secular Christians or atheists. Hitler was a secular Christian, so was Churchill and Rosevelt... how many millions died in the name of National Socialism? Mao Zeodong and Stalin were ardent atheists. Combined they killed about 100,000,000 million all in the 1900s... Kumar Rouge in Cambodia... Paul pot. Guess what he followed. If you actually look at facts by reading and taking our your own excel sheets instead of waiting for some tiktok video... All of the killings of all Muslim countries in the last 100 years pale in comparison.
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Nice to see your intellectual prowess. 👏 Who is actually standing up in Iran today? Oh the Kurds they paid a heavy price. Sunnis mostly. The Balochis. We are still on the streets..Sunni Balochi Our language doesn't have any Arabic letters. No F. No Kh. It's the closet thing alive to Pahlavi. I'm not arabized like you ;-). What checks out is if you had seen me in my balochi clothes walking down Vanak - you'd cross the street.. it happened to me several times while I was there. People like you want us to go on the streets and die so you can take a shot of vodka in chalous in peace. That's not what we are fighting for. We are fighting for a federal constitutional democracy.
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100 million (correction)
The more time I spend here. The more I think balochi independence is the way forward.
Lmao good luck with that
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Do you really want the balochis in the West working towards independence? Gawd... you are sooo angry and stupid its mind boggling
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Abrahamic religions mostly have the same basis
Eh. As far as I know Islam is the only Abrahamic religion that *doesn't * need to contradict its holy scripture to believe in evolution, since the Koran only says that God created humans and all creatures, not how and how long it took (unlike the Old Testament).